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The abhorrent traffic ring of human lives across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats will redouble their effort to bring an end to this terrible terror , racial this terrible terror, racial injustice. Injustice. Earlier, the Tory Party Chairman used his opening address to take a swipe at labour to have these available at the conservative shop outside for just £16. 99. Also online waiving flip featuring sir Keir Starmers face. Greg hands mocked the labour leader, suggesting he doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. His affecting the country. His comments came just hours after the Prime Minister refused to commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak said his focus is on halving inflation because it impacts the poorest the most on a visit to burnley, the pm insisted his approach is deeply conservative, saying its a thatcherite policy be the best tax cut that we can deliver right now is to halve inflation and thats something that im deeply committed to. Its the first of my five priorities. Why . Because thats how can help people the how we can help people with the cost just want to cost of living. We just want to put peoples put more money in peoples pockets. To do pockets. And the best way to do that now is through that right now is through halving that is a halving inflation and that is a deeply conservative approach to this. Colleagues this. And my colleagues understand is what understand that this is what margaret did. Margaret thatcher did. To be a key issue tax is set to be a key issue over the four next days, with more than 30 tory mps promising not to support the autumn statement if it contains any hikes. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says theyre right to question the pms tax policies , including inheritance policies, including inheritance tax. Tax. After 13 years of conservative government we end up in a position where even its own mps are having to campaign against their unfair tax policies. And i think conservative mps are quite right to say how is it that weve got the worst , to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest to say how is it that weve got the worst , highest tax to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest tax burden in 70 years . They should also be asking rishi sunak why . Why, asking rishi sunak why . Why, instead of thinking about cutting taxes for working people, hes looking to give himself another super rich people a tax break by cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. A tax cut that this country. A tax cut that would earn him personally £300 million, a key part of the Windsor Framework has come into effect for Northern Ireland, with a new system introduced to move products from Great Britain goods which are being transported to the eu will use a red lane which includes customs declarations. While those bound for Northern Ireland will use a green lane with minimal papennork and no checks. This is papennork and no checks. This is gb news across the uk on tv, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to. Mark now its back to. Mark nice to have lisa with us tonight. She returns in an hours tonight. She returns in an hours time. Welcome to whats going to be a very busy mark dolan tonight. In my big opinion , the tories are terrible, but on what planet are labour the answer in the big story as they prepare for their last annual conference before the next election. Do the tories have momentum . Ill be asking top telegraph columnist tim stanley live from manchester. Plus, ill bnng live from manchester. Plus, ill bring you more on a developing story, which is that the former home secretary, priti patel in the last few minutes at conference has backed gb news wholeheartedly. My mark meets guest is Boris Johnsons biographer, sir Anthony Seldon. Biographer, sir Anthony Seldon. Should boris still be in charge . And how will history remember him as a Prime Minister . It him as a Prime Minister . It might take a ten with the cost of insuring them now through the roof. The for case electric cars is running out of charge. Plus with priti patel calling Suella Braverman an attention seeker and with the cabinet split over, leaving the echr , are the tories leaving the echr, are the tories in the throes of a major civil war . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker the formidable ex government minister, ann widdecombe. Weve got tomorrows widdecombe. Weve got tomorrows front pages at 1030 sharp with three top pundits of pedigree. They havent been told what to say, and they dont follow the script. Tonight, former script. Tonight, former conservative mp and government minister Edwina Currie trade unionist and broadcaster Andy Macdonald, a brand new star on the show. Andy, welcome. And former conservative mp and now very active farmer. Hes had his hands on a friesian all afternoon. Its neil parish afternoon. Its neil parish tonight. Ill be asking the pundits as liz truss reaffirms her vision for the economy. Can britain afford tax cuts . And britain afford tax cuts . And should you convert to your partners religion when you get married . Plus, the most married . Plus, the most important part of the show, what is that . It is your emails. They come straight to this. My laptop mark at gbnews. Com and this show has a golden rule. We dont do boring. Not on my watch. I just boring. Not on my watch. I just wont have it. A big two hours to come. Weve got a brand new director in my ear tonight. Hes called mark. Lets make it memorable and we start with my big. As they begin their big opinion. As they begin their Party Conference. Lets be clear the tories are terrible. Theyre disastrous. Covid overreaction. Disastrous. Covid overreaction. Locking the country down three times in pursuit of a seasonal respiratory virus is something for which we are now paying a colossal price. Unfortunate, colossal price. Unfortunate, therefore, that , as reported by therefore, that, as reported by therefore, that, as reported by the excellent unherd news website this week, the Uk Government Health Security Agency has declared wait for it. There is a lack of strong evidence on the effectiveness of lockdowns masking and social distancing to reduce covid 19 transmission. Well done everyone. Only half a trillion down the drain and a permanently damaged country whilst in office. The tories have printed money preside over rampant inflation, seen taxes at their highest level in 70 years, and they have allowed the woke capture of our Public Institutions to normalise ideas like men or women , that our like men or women, that our history is shameful and that everything is racist, including the countryside, mathematics and knitting. There was the debacle knitting. There was the debacle of partygate as the public were ludicrously locked in their homes whilst Decision Makers and policy wonks were guzzling red wine. There was liz trusss laudable but poorly executed tax cutting budgets and a figure in bofis cutting budgets and a figure in Boris Johnson who, not without his talents and he did get brexit done, limped from one self inflicted crisis to another and demonstrates his financial incontinence to this day with his ongoing support for unbridled net zero policies and hs2 for those dreaming of a bofis hs2 for those dreaming of a Boris Johnson comeback one day, be careful what you wish for. So the countrys got problems and the countrys got problems and the conservatives have been in power for 13 years. End of but on what planet are labour the answer . How will they tackle the eye watering debts and the ongoing ing pandemic levels of pubuc ongoing ing pandemic levels of public spending . The moment they get into power, the trade unions who bankrolled the party will expect pay rises for all, which will reassure taken the inflation monster. Will reassure taken the inflation monster. How will reassure taken the inflation monster. How will they inflation monster. How will they tackle stifling Political Correctness and the rise of woke when keir starmer will take the knee for any cause and when he still to this day struggles with the idea of what a woman is. Many of his colleagues in the party have been gleefully tweeting in the last few days that plenty of women can have penises. Do you really want five years of that . On what planet years of that . On what planet will labour tackle our dependence on the International Energy market for oil and gas . Energy market for oil and gas . When keir starmer announces that he will permit no new oil and gas licences in the north sea, meaning that tyrants like Vladimir Putin and unscrupulous regimes like saudi arabia will hold the whip hand over for us Energy Supply for the foreseeable future. Starmers bold idea is a 1970s style state sponsored Energy Business which will gamble taxpayer billions on flaky renewables, which, as germany has demonstrated over the last decade , is an the last decade, is an experiment at best, and one thats not going very well. Thats not going very well. Apparently, starmer is going to pay apparently, starmer is going to pay for everything with a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. First of all, there already is a windfall tax and also its tricky because although i dont like these businesses and they are polluters , we require their polluters, we require their partnership to pursue Green Energy Investments and we need them to maintain our short to medium term Energy Supply. As medium term Energy Supply. As with so much from starmer , its with so much from starmer, its a great headline, but with dire real world consequences is plus those windfall taxes will be a drop in the ocean anyway. Like the few million that he may get from taxing private schools, making them the domain of the super rich , furthering super rich, furthering inequality and killing aspiration. A family with a moderate income will now be pnced moderate income will now be priced out and kids forced to leave the private sector and of course they will need to be accommodated in our already crowded public schools. And you, the taxpayer , will be left with the taxpayer, will be left with the taxpayer, will be left with the to bill tax any Academic Institution which teaches and develops british kids. In my view , is an act of cultural view, is an act of cultural barbarism. Um, its a crime. On barbarism. Um, its a crime. On what planet are labour the answer to the illegal migrant crossings . When they blocked the crossings . When they blocked the rwanda plan and just about every other Government Measure to tackle issue , starmer said tackle the issue, starmer said on twitter today that hell smash the criminal smuggling gangs. Good luck with that. I gangs. Good luck with that. I think youll find these people are quite mobile , quite are quite mobile, quite sophisticated and quite hard to find. On what planet are labour the answer to . Britains already bloated and overly expensive Failing Health service again. Today he announced the biggest nhs workforce expand mansion in history. Presumably more diversity officers. Exactly what diversity officers. Exactly what you need when youre on a waiting list for cancer treatment. People boast that the treatment. People boast that the nhs is the biggest employer in europe. Thats not a boast. Europe. Thats not a boast. Thats proof of its wild inefficiency and its going to get bigger under labour. On what planet are labour the answer to making a success of brexit, given that their leader fought to reverse it and has spoken of his keenness to align with multiple eu directives and wants the help of brussels to tackle the help of brussels to tackle the migrant crisis , potentially the migrant crisis, potentially agreeing a deal to accept a quota of migrants to be agreed with the bloc. The tories are terrible, but labour are worse if you think keir starmer is the answer to britains problems, youre living on another planet well folks, what do you think . Mark gbnews. Com im delighted to welcome my excellent pundits tonight, former conservative mp government minister broadcast writer and best selling author Edwina Currie. Writer and best selling author Edwina Currie. Edwina. Writer and best selling author Edwina Currie. Edwina. Lovely to Edwina Currie. Edwina. Lovely to have you in the studio. A brand have you in the studio. A brand new mark dolan tonight, new star on mark dolan tonight, a broadcaster and trade unionist. Andy mcdonald. Hello, andy and ex tory mp and very active, very, very productive and prolific farmer neil parish of folks lots to get through. Lots to unpick there and i want to get to all of you if i can. But andy, let me start with you on what planet are labour the answer to britains problems . Well, id say this planet i mean, know, you complain mean, you know, you complain about issues, but about all these issues, but whos the country about all these issues, but whos last the country about all these issues, but whos last years . He country for the last 13 years . Give labour party give the labour party a chance. You know, keir was , has chance. You know, keir was, has been a civil servant. Well, a pubuc been a civil servant. Well, a Public Servant almost his Public Servant almost all his life, serving women and Small Businesses as a private barrister and then director barrister and then as director of public prosecutions. You of public prosecutions. He, you know, ran one of the know, he ran one of the countrys most important parts of infrastructure, particularly socially. I of infrastructure, particularly socially. I think he did a good job at that. I think hed do fantastic. If the electorate choose to give him the to choose to give him the keys to number 10. Indeed about specific but what about those specific issues . How issues . So for example, how is he going the migrant he going to tackle the migrant crisis in a way which will be more effective what more effective than what the tories at the moment, tories are doing at the moment, given labour have blocked given that labour have blocked every far . Given that labour have blocked evewell, far . Given that labour have blocked evewell, they far . Given that labour have blocked evewell, they havent blocked well, they havent blocked anything. They dont have a majority house commons majority in the house of commons to they may have to block it. Well, they may have voted to block it. Well, they may have votnyeah, voted against yeah, they voted against because rwanda isnt yeah, they voted against beca cost rwanda isnt yeah, they voted against beca cost efficientda isnt yeah, they voted against beca cost efficient at isnt yeah, they voted against beca cost efficient at all. Isnt very cost efficient at all. Know, you talk about the you know, you talk about the nhs being cost inefficient, you know, compared nhs being cost inefficient, you know, rwanda compared nhs being cost inefficient, you know, rwanda plan compared nhs being cost inefficient, you know, rwanda plan really. Pared nhs being cost inefficient, you know, rwanda plan really. Iared to the rwanda plan really. I think looking the think looking at the negotiations having with negotiations hes having with mainland europe, the eu and the wider european nations, you know, the conversations need to be had because where are they coming theyre from coming from . Theyre coming from france, know, you france, really. You know, you need conversations need to have conversations with the our problem, the source of our problem, particularly to negotiate. So i think have open think he will have open conversations, which rishi sunak and truss and Boris Johnson and liz truss and Boris Johnson and liz truss and Boris Johnson and all the other Prime Ministers failed to do. Well and he raised some quite compelling points there. Edwina and the simple fact of the matter the tories have the matter is the tories have beenin the matter is the tories have been in charge for 13 years. Weve rid record, almost weve got rid record, almost record levels taxation and record levels of taxation and a country with lots of problems. Labour couldnt do any worse. Labour couldnt do any worse. Well, me just remind you, well, let me just remind you, we havent actually been in power in terms of the first few years of hide behind the coalition but but, but look , when but but, but look, when Margaret Thatcher came into power, the key thing that she did she realised was that did and she realised was that you to cut public spending. You have to cut public spending. She took an axe public she took an axe to public spending that the spending and that was the precursor to being able to do tax much later. And rishi, tax cuts much later. And rishi, i has at last got his head i think has at last got his head around with the around this with the conversation he started to have about the practicalities of net zero. Whats likely to come on hs2. Although ive been a supporter of hs2 too, its become really bloated and we need to. Would you axe the second leg north of birmingham . I think what wed like to do in the north england, bearing in north of england, bearing in mind where live, mind that thats where we live, is spending all that is instead of spending all that money we would very money down south, we would very much decent rail much like to have decent Rail Services the of services in the north of england, from england, particularly going from coast and if we got coast to coast and if we got that instead, i think everybody would thats about the but thats thats about the practicalities do you cut practicalities of how do you cut the amount of money were spending get more, more bang spending and get more, more bang for our buck as a result of that. And i think rishi has got his head on this and i think hes actually beginning to make real inroads into that. Many of my viewers and neil, many of my viewers and listeners will look at the state neil, many of my viewers and listheers will look at the state neil, many of my viewers and listhe country. Ook at the state neil, many of my viewers and listhe country atk at the state neil, many of my viewers and listhe country at the the state neil, many of my viewers and listhe country at the momenta neil, many of my viewers and listhe country at the moment and of the country at the moment and when the chance five when offered the chance of five more rule, it will more years of tory rule, it will be no thanks. Be thanks but no thanks. Think rishi done an amazing i think rishi done an amazing job because picked up the job because hes picked up the government. The government. When you know the liz was a debacle. To be liz truss was a debacle. To be honest. In the run on the pound and and everything and the markets and Everything Else hes it right else and hes turned it right round the winds are agreement is another great because when another great thing because when i was in parliament i spent a lot of time with the problems with northern with food going into Northern Ireland checked i now it goes straight into northern only food Northern Ireland. Only food check into republic. So lots of things so lots and lots of things going inflation being halved i and i actually think he is actually now acting like tory actually now acting like a tory Prime Minister net zero is a good thing by 2050, but for goodness sake, dont price everybody out of the market with their vans and their cars and hard working people. And i think suddenly hes reconnecting because the tory party actually , i believe, very much more represents the working class. Now, dare i say it, than the labour does, because i actually think keir starmer in the think that keir starmer in the end is an intellectual socialist, a nice guy, but intellectual socialism never works and it wont work again. Works and it wont work again. So lets, lets get on with what weve got. And i think rishi is doing a good job. Well, my pundits are divided. Whats your view on this . Are labour the answer to britains problems . Mark at gbnews. Com. Coming up next in the big story as they prepare for their last annual conference before the next do the tories next election, do the tories have momentum . Ill be asking top telegraph columnist tim stanley live from manchester for. Thats. Radio. Our labour. The answer to britains problems. That is the britains problems. That is the topic of my big opinion. Britains problems. That is the topic of my big opinion. Well, a topic of my big opinion. Well, a strong reaction on email market. Gbnews. Com. Terry if labour gets in, the country will be finished by john says anyone who votes labour or tory is putting our country in serious danger. Mark says the choice between voting between labour and the tories is like having to choose your favourite kray twins. So many of you are not having either main party. Well today sees the tories kicking off Party Conference season and rishi sunakis Conference Season and rishi sunak is now narrowing the polls against labour following a rethink of net zero policies robust language on illegal immigration and ending the war on motorists. This is likely to on motorists. This is likely to be the final tory Party Conference before the next election. So is it the start of a resurgence or the beginning of the end of 13 years of tory rule . Lets head straight to manchester now and speak to the brilliant telegraph columnist tim stanley. By the way, this is tim stanley. By the way, this is an article written by tim for the spectator. What have the the spectator. What have the conservatives done for us . A very worthy question. Tim. Good evening and welcome to mark dolan tonight for first of all, thank you for letting me drag you out of a bar. Thank you for letting me drag you out of a bar. Listen, what you out of a bar. Listen, what do you think will be the mood of the party in the next few days . How does the mood feel at the moment . I well, first of all, you drag me out of bed, not out of a bar. Im not that kind of girl. Im not that kind of girl. As for the mood of this conference, the mood is pretty upbeat. Dont forget, its been hit by a rail strike, which has made it difficult for some people to get but nonetheless, get here, but nonetheless, nonetheless, those are here nonetheless, those who are here are, feeling bit are, i think, feeling a bit happier one because there seems to be bit movement the polls. Because the stuff and two, because the stuff that rishi has been coming out with about motoring and about immigration often seems to have struck a chord with the voters. I expect that over this conference, sunak going conference, rishi sunak is going to try to rebrand as to try to rebrand himself as a sort champion and sort of consumer champion and conservatives will feel happy with feel even with that. They feel even happier attached happier if it were attached to a tax cut. There is one tax cut. But there is one silvery cloud lures over silvery cloud that lures over this house, and that is liz truss will be talking tomorrow. Remember, this is the first Conference Since she lost her job. I dont think tory delegates are sad that she went. The general feeling is that that government cocked up in a big , government cocked up in a big, big way. But nonetheless, she returns with a message about growth and tax cuts which will resonate with many members. And shell be appearing with Jacob Rees Mogg and priti patel. Yes is Suella Bravermans Strong Language on illegal immigration and multicol naturalism a help or a hindrance for the tories . Do you think . Do you think . According to one poll, Something Like two thirds of the voters agree with the message that mass migration is an existential challenge to britain . So shes probably in touch with how most voters feel about it. Um, look, with how most voters feel about it. Um, look, i think this issue is important to people, but my feeling is that once we come to the general election , things are the general election, things are going to switch back to the big issues like the nhs tax and spend and inflation. So it is it is an important issue and its an example of where when the tories are able to put their finger on a culture hot button issue, the public broadly breaks in favour. Suspicion is in their favour. My suspicion is just that thats not what people will the next will be voting on at the next election. Be voting on election. Theyll be voting on pocketbook issues. Pocketbook issues. Absolutely right. Rethinking net zero, tim. A reprieve for petrol and diesel cars plus perfectly functional boilers. Perfectly functional boilers. The end of the war on motorists , a lick of paint for deprived towns. Rishi sunak seems to have found his political voice , found his political voice, doesnt he . Hes got some mojo at last he does. But lets not forget, i know im sounding like a Debbie Downer here just before the conference begins, but lets not forget many cases its forget that in many cases its actually stuff that actually rolling back stuff that the themselves have done. The tories themselves have done. Britain still going to do net britain is still going to do net zero. Its just reversed some of the ambitious targets that Boris Johnson introduced and which bofis johnson introduced and which Boris Johnson introduced just as a kind brexit dividend. And a kind of brexit dividend. And youll see the same would be the case on tax if we eventually get a tax cut that will be reversing taxes that tories have taxes that the tories have raised. Agree with raised. So yes, i agree with you. Rishi sunak has you. I think rishi sunak has definitely his message. He definitely found his message. He wants to be the consumer champion and we see the champion and we might see the polls closer. But my polls move closer. But my feeling is that labour still have advantage in my big have the advantage in my big opinion. Just a few minutes ago, tim, i said that the tories are terrible, but labour are worse. Its my view that sunak edges it over as best ceo for over starmer as the best ceo for the country is a message of competence and being less bad than labour to going cut through i i i think i think that is the message and i think that will cut through with some voters. But of course its not just about electing a ceo, it . And about electing a ceo, is it . And what both sides are lacking is a vision. I mean, thats very kind of you to mention. The spectator piece about the 13 years piece i wrote about the 13 years of tories in power. And the of tories in power. And the extraordinary thing about those 13 years is how unconcerned relative been. The relative they have been. The state in size. Your state has grown in size. Your taxes have gone up and some services have declined in quality. The tories were in quality. The tories were in charge. They have no answer for charge. They have no answer for all of that and for why they have governed really as a continuation of gordon brown in so many regards, theyve so many regards, because theyve really good really become a party of good management. Labour in management. Well, labour in order win, trying to echo order to win, is trying to echo that we find that message. We only find out what policy is on a what labours policy is on a matter they announce matter when they announce theyre to going reverse it. Labour doesnt really seem to have a philosophy right now, so its between two its a competition between two different ceos and i guess if it is a choice that, you is a choice between that, you might with the ceo that is a choice between that, you mig know. With the ceo that is a choice between that, you mig know. Rishii the ceo that is a choice between that, you mig know. Rishi sunak. O that is a choice between that, you mig know. Rishi sunak. O thid you know. Rishi sunak. But id like to see a bit more philosophy. Id like to see the tories arguing for freedom and a smaller government, like smaller government, and id like to honest about to see labour being honest about wanting more equal wanting to create a more equal society the wealth i well, listen, whilst youre there story from there developing story from manchester, tim priti patel, the former home secretary , she has former home secretary, she has spoken this evening about gb news and the challenges that weve faced this week. Take a listen. Listen. I also want to welcome some more friends here tonight. Our friends that are here. The newest , most successful, friends that are here. The newest, most successful, most dynamic. No nonsense new station and the defenders of free speech thatis and the defenders of free speech that is my friends at gb news. Thank you for everything that you do. You do. Just incredible. Honestly, just incredible. Honestly, just incredible. Just incredible. You dont look embarrassed. I know youre not shrinking, violet. Thank you for absolutely everything you do. Because you everything you do. Because you know this isnt breaking news. But i think its fair to say that our country needed a new disruptor when it came to the broadcast media to take on the establishment. The tory hating establishment. The tory hating brexit bashing, free speech deniers at the bbc and the so called mainstream. Media so called mainstream. Media well, there you go. Tim well, there you go. Tim stanley gb news finds itself this week at the very heart of the culture wars. Yeah look, my the culture wars. Yeah look, my mother watches gb news from dawn till dusk, mostly to see if she can catch a glimpse of patrick christys. As for myself, i think that people who dont like gb news fall into two categories. One is people who havent watched it recently. They dont realise how its has improved since its quality has improved since its quality has improved since its launch and that its now a really serious rolling news channel. Is channel. And the other group is people it and people who have seen it and theyre they can theyre worried because they can see to their see that its a threat to their own ratings. Think some of own ratings. I think some of whats happened in the last few days has the gb news has responded and sensibly responded maturely and sensibly to thing went that to the thing that went on that we shall not discuss, but i think have jumped on that think people have jumped on that as opportunity shoot down as an opportunity to shoot down as an opportunity to shoot down a. And i think most a rival. And i think most viewers can see through that and will loyal. Will remain loyal. Check out tim do you check out tim stanleys brilliant spectator column his weekly column this week and his weekly column this week and his weekly column in the telegraph newspaper . Tim enjoy conference and well catch you soon. My thanks tim stanley. Coming up thanks to tim stanley. Coming up with as liz with tonights pundits as liz truss reaffirms her vision for the economy , we at conference the economy, we at conference can britain actually afford tax cuts . And should you convert to cuts . And should you convert to your partners religion when you get ill be asking my get married . Ill be asking my pundits those hot pundits both of those hot topics. Plus, an exclusive topics. Plus, in an exclusive mark dolan tonight peoples poll, have been asking our poll, we have been asking our labour the answer to britains problems. Well get the results of that very shortly. Lots to get through. Dont go anywhere radio. Are labour the answer to britains problems . A big reaction on email mark. God help us if labour gets into power, this great country will become a third world country, says charlie. Kevin says keir starmer wants to take us back into europe. A big no. And nick says hi mark, great monologue, but it didnt go far enough. I have didnt go far enough. I have voted labour my entire adult life and was a card holding fee paying life and was a card holding fee paying member until about two years ago. Im one of the many who refused to accept the increased dictatorship that is labour under starmers leadership. So he goes on to say leadership. So he goes on to say that that various individuals within the movement are being silenced on a growing list of topics, he says , where once topics, he says, where once labour was a broad church, its now easier for members to face expulsion , even for the most expulsion, even for the most minor disagreement with the starmer right rule. So there you starmer right rule. So there you go. Nick not happy there. Not a happy labour supporter. Okay, happy labour supporter. Okay, folks, its time for a bit of a poll result. Earlier today we asked you, as liz truss reaffirms her vision for the economy, can britain afford tax cuts . The results are in. Tax cuts . The results are in. Tax cuts and the answer is yes. Britain can afford those tax cuts. 67. 8 say yes, 32. 2 say no. Well, lets ask my pundits. Edwina currie , former Edwina Currie, former conservative mp and minister for andy mcdonald, trade unionist and broadcaster and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. So rishi sunak is indeed facing a mounting revolt from tory mps demanding tax cuts, which has been spearheaded by his predecessor, liz truss, 33 conservative mps have signed letters warning sunak that they will not support tax rises. So can britain afford these tax cuts . Neil well , if we can actually neil well, if we can actually control some of the public spending, then we can actually make some tax cuts. I think the problem with liz truss was she was talking about the tax cuts and the public spending. Our and not the public spending. Our tax, the public spending tax, not the public spending cuts. So i think if youre going tax, not the public spending cu do so i think if youre going tax, not the public spending cu do anything, if youre going tax, not the public spending cu do anything, theoure going tax, not the public spending cu do anything, the corporation to do anything, the Corporation Tax to good one. Tax has got to be a good one. Ireland republic of ireland has got Lower Corporation has got a lower Corporation Tax rate thats where rate than ours. Thats where weve got a target. I think any money weve got is for money that weve got is for that. And then as we move towards the election, if theres some personal taxation that can be or the very better. Be reduced or the very better. But of course when you have be reduced or the very better. Up. Of course when you have be reduced or the very better. Up interestse when you have be reduced or the very better. Up Interest Rates en you have be reduced or the very better. Up Interest Rates ,1 you have be reduced or the very better. Up Interest Rates , notu have be reduced or the very better. Up Interest Rates , not onlyye put up Interest Rates, not only do you as individuals have to pay do you as individuals have to pay more, the country has to pay more for servicing its debt. And thats the problem in a way weve spent so much over the last few years with covid or the Energy Crisis and all of these things, the debt interest is what stymieing chancellor what stymieing the chancellor but i think theyre going to have to break out and actually give some cuts and some stimulation. Like i said, they cant but like i said, they cant go the liz truss total route because othennise they shake the market. But i think there is room for manoeuvre there, but not much. Not much. So edwina, youve always been fiscally prudent. Britain fiscally prudent. Can britain afford at the afford tax cuts . Not at the moment, despite what the poll says, the poll is not. Can they . But oh please, can we have some tax cuts . Thinking and just Wishful Thinking and just Wishful Thinking. Lovely. I think probably be lovely. I think probably this statement is going this autumn statement is going to most on record to be the most boring on record because be no because theres going to be no tax and no increases tax cuts and no tax increases either. Right. Because in fact, either. Right. Because in fact, the tax rate is increasing as the tax rate is increasing as the economy grows, the tax take tends to increase. I dont agree tends to increase. I dont agree with neil entirely about businesses. Businesses have not contributed very much and most countries that we are competing with contribute a lot more to the tax take than businesses in the tax take than businesses in the United Kingdom, including a heck of a lot more to the Social Security and the costs of looking the least well off looking after the least well off that sort thing. So no, that sort of thing. So no, i think probably were going to get from mr get a long speech from from mr hunt that says absolutely nothing and well probably get a version of it at the Party Conference as well. Conference as well. Anyone that wants tax cuts under labour can go whistle, cant they . Necessarily. Im well, not necessarily. Im sure know, the economy well, not necessarily. Im su always know, the economy well, not necessarily. Im su always evolving. , the economy well, not necessarily. Im su always evolving. Ide economy well, not necessarily. Im sualways evolving. Id say onomy well, not necessarily. Im sualways evolving. Id say justny is always evolving. Id say just on the point that we dont believe in low taxes, do they . Well, they dependent the well, they do. Dependent on the economy, the economy, not when you know the economy, not when you know the economy is bit of a mess. You economy is a bit of a mess. You know, spending to know, public spending needs to be. There needs to be be sorted. There needs to be reformed. Low taxes on the labour ever. Well, i disagree. Well, i disagree. I think look grown up, i think if you look grown up, if look at latest stage, if you look at the latest stage, if you look at the latest stage, if you look at the latest stage, if you look at the latest stage of blair government, think of the blair government, i think they taxes, they did take down taxes, including rate was at 40. Edwina but i think if you look at if you look that look at if you look at that point about Corporation Tax, londons just named londons just been named the second financial in second best financial city in the only new the world second only new york. Dont think really so i dont think we really need it because need to slash it because were doing pretty well need to slash it because were doinwere pretty well need to slash it because were doinwere climbingyretty well need to slash it because were doinwere climbing onty well need to slash it because were doinwere climbing on new ll need to slash it because were doinwere climbing on new york and were climbing on new york at that. But i think if were looking cutting taxes, youve looking at cutting taxes, youve got spending. You got to cut public spending. You cant one without the cant just have one without the other. From other. That was apart from a major failure. Major communications failure. That of the big failures that was one of the big failures of liz truss kwasi kwartengs of liz truss and kwasi kwartengs mini budget think when time mini budget right, think when time mini budget right, what1ink when time mini budget right, what1ink wwould time mini budget rigcutwhat1ink wwould time mini budget rigcut . 1at1ink wwould time labour cut . Got idea. I think it ive got no idea. I think it would depend on how the first 18 months of them governing would go know, 18 months before go. You know, 18 months before covid, you couldnt have predicted that. The dna of labour is i think the dna of labour is not cutting. The dna of not tax cutting. The dna of labouris not tax cutting. The dna of labour is to spend more bigger state and actually take more from the individual. Now we tories have actually got to get back to the state where actually we give money back to individuals. I think Edwina Currie absolutely right about currie is absolutely right about the boring budget. This this autumn, suspect something autumn, but i suspect something next spring, dare i say it, when the economy will have improved and the and the chancellor may well have a little more leg room then because they will need to actually give a stimulus both to the individual and to companies , because im not going to accept that read as entirely her argument. Prop accept that read as entirely her argument. Prop companies you back employment and you drive the economy. The clever thing will be to get tax cuts at a time when the economy is growing. But its not going to fuel inflation because were all anyone thats lived through. Youre too young, but through. Youre too young, but anyone thats lived through the time, im the one that will have to the brunt to carry the brunt of the economy, had inflation economy, had to get inflation down as as public spending. Down as well as public spending. Im seeing the you know, im seeing the brunt of that. Her housing targets the time, were targets at the time, they were great but im great at the time. But im having with now having to deal with that now because houses left. Because theres no houses left. And are are way and the ones that are are way too expensive. Think i dont im i dont think i dont think thats a labour spokesman can housing can actually do much on housing when spokesman when when labour spokesman when labour voted idea of labour voted down the idea of actually building more houses. Actually building more houses. Im not a labour spokesman. Im not a labour spokesman. Youve got to have one. Youve got to have one. I think youre overstating my importance a touch. I think its ironic you speak you ironic for you, you speak you were a of governing were a member of the governing party the last 13 years. Party over the last 13 years. This of a tory this failure of a tory government. I think its bold for speak anything for you to speak about anything and of saying, oh, and accuse me of saying, oh, well, you cant talk because of your you an elected your record. You were an elected member honestly, member and honestly, the government but youre yeah, yeah, but but youre also that labour has also saying that labour has a policy housing. Not policy on housing. Im not convinced. Convinced convinced. Im not convinced that youre the only one who has said that labour has a policy on keir starmer on twitter today announced that build announced that he will build more houses. Through hes going to cut through red tape happen. The tape to make it happen. The houses that working brits need. My goodness. Okay. Oh my goodness. Okay. And hes them. Where in hes going to do them. Where in the england. The south of england. Thats going bring awful lot going to bring him an awful lot of i dont think and of votes. And i dont think and i dont think i love hearing you talk. Never you talk. I would never stop you because every time you speak, you exactly we you demonstrate exactly why we tend to have tory tend to have more tory Government Labour government. Now, how do you substantiate that . Sounds quite harsh there. I mean, its first time on i mean, its his first time on the show. Maybe the edwina i think maybe the current opinion polls would say that have another that were about to have another labour government. No, no, no, 0, labour government. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the lead is going narrowing. You know, the state of the last 13 years, it had to bottom out at point they had to out at some point they had to start think the start coming back. I think the average points. Average is still 17 points. And it goes back to it, edwina, the taxes have edwina, that the taxes have risen a conservative risen under a conservative government. That government. Thats a point that andy fairly make, isnt andy could fairly make, isnt it . Had horrible time weve had a horrible time with i agree of with covid. I agree with much of what said. Sure if what you said. Im sure if anything that happened anything like that happened again, not go into again, we would not go into lockdown of the damage lockdown because of the damage thats lockdown because of the damage thatthe damage its done to the and the damage its done to the economy. Fact is its economy. But the fact is its done it cant cant done and it cant we cant rewind it. The has been rewind it. The cost has been enormous, actually. A of enormous, actually. A lot of thats got to be paid for. There go. Look, folks, as there you go. Look, folks, as youve from brilliant youve seen from my brilliant pundits dolan pundits tonight, mark dolan tonight home diverse tonight is the home of diverse opinion. Mark opinion. What is yours . Mark gbnews. Com can britain afford tax cuts now, finding someone that you to the rest that you want to spend the rest of with is wonderful. Of your life with is wonderful. Of course is. But it doesnt of course it is. But it doesnt come compromise. One come without compromise. As one woman got proposed woman who recently got proposed to only say yes to said, she would only say yes if converted religion if he converted to her religion. Its a story which has broken the internet over the last 24 hours with people arguing on both sides. So should you both sides. So should you convert to your partners religion when get married . Religion when you get married . Edwina well, when i got married for the first time back over 50 years ago, my family wouldnt accept my fiance because he wasnt the right religion. So i said to my fiance, so what would your parents want . And he said, they would like us to get married in our local church. So fine. And we had a reading from the book of ruth. Reading from the book of ruth. Whither thou goest i will go. And where there lodgest i will lodge thy people shall be my people and thy gods shall be my gods. Its wonderful. And we, we gods. Its wonderful. And we, we meant it. You know, when i got married for the second time, i said to my mum, youre coming this time. And she did. So therefore you compromised in of your partner rather in favour of your partner rather than him compromising because his family were being tolerant of and family were not of me and my family were not being tolerant of him. It was the original mr curry, wasnt it . Is that right . Did he consider converting to your religion . Well , he went to ask my dad well, he went to ask my dad for my hand in marriage. I shows you how long ago it was and came back kind of white and shaking and said, you were right. Hes not going to accept me. He says, im wonderful, except im not the. At which the right religion. At which point we walked off, hand off hand, hand in hand into the heart liverpool, and we had heart of liverpool, and we had the conversation. Just told you. What do you about this andy . Well, i think down well, i think its down to each relationship, each individual you us individual really. You know, us sitting the gb news sofa. We sitting on the gb news sofa. We dont have an insight into every single across this single relationship across this country. Think if youre in country. So i think if youre in a situation theyre a situation where theyre comfortable more comfortable to do that, more power if not, power to them. But if not, nobody should be forced. Fall in love if you were to fall in love with that with somebody that was particularly religious that particularly religious and that was for them, a deal was a red line for them, a deal breaker, you breaker, would you would you convert breaker, would you would you convnwouldnt know. I wouldnt know. I wouldnt know. Interesting. How about how about you , neil . Interesting. How about how aboyeah,j , neil . Interesting. How about how aboyeah,j , mil . Interesting. How about how aboyeah,j , m think its up to yeah, no, i think its up to the individual and the individual again. And i think the relationship and i think the relationship and i think awful strain on think it puts an awful strain on relationships where very , you relationships where very, you know, very, very religious families lock horns over it. And i mean , the only difference i mean, the only difference between sue and i was a methodist and sue was church of england. So we just about managed to sort of tolerate that. But, you know, seriously, i youve got a real i think when youve got a real problem with the families, then i think its probably less so. But in some religions there will still be very, very strong opinions and i think its a shame because, you know, young people, when theyre in love, its great that they can get together and get married. Its a shame that they have this sort of extra pressure, put on them. Shame that they have this sort of eji ra pressure, put on them. Shame that they have this sort of eji think ssure, put on them. Shame that they have this sort of eji think sometimesn them. Shame that they have this sort of eji think sometimes very� m. Shame that they have this sort of eji think sometimes very good and i think sometimes very good relationships can be destroyed by families and really, you know, i think in in the 21st century, hopefully we should let our children , you know, my our our children, you know, my our daughter has had various boyfriends in particularly approved of. But you know, its her choice and she gets on with it. And then luckily, another one comes along. But seriously, you know, i think its a shame when families do dictate because it comes more from the families in a way, than it does from the individual. It can indeed. Well, look, it can indeed. Well, look, coming up in my take at ten, with the cost of insuring them now through the roof, which some people paying £5,000 a year, the case for electric cars is running out of charge. Edwina wont be happy shes got a tesla, but first my mark meets guest is Boris Johnsons biographer, sir Anthony Seldon. Biographer, sir Anthony Seldon. Should boris still be in charge . And how will history remember him as a Prime Minister . Thats n ext next our labour the answer to britains problems emails are coming in thick and fast on this market. Cbnnews. Com steve says mark, you cant trust either party reform. Uk might be a better shout. Well keep those emails coming. Its time now for this. Yes, its time for mark this. Yes, its time for mark meets and a man that can only be described as a polymath , given described as a polymath, given his extraordinary career as an educator, broadcaster , author, educator, broadcaster, author, biographer and historian sir Anthony Seldon. Hes the former headmaster of Wellington College , ex vice chancellor of the university of buckingham, and the founder of the wellington academy, the First State School to carry the name of its founding in independent school. Hes authored and edited more than 45 books on contemporary history , politics and education history, politics and education in including major biographies of john major, tony blair and gordon brown. His latest tome is all about Boris Johnson. Its called johnson at number 10, the inside story, which he co wrote with raymond newell. Sir anthony with raymond newell. Sir Anthony Seldon , welcome to mark dolan seldon, welcome to mark dolan tonight. Boris johnson clearly has a brain on him and oodles of charisma. But what does your book tell us about his character and temperament . And temperament . I cant hear. I cant hear. Oh, sir anthony, you cant hear me . I might have to do some mime for you. Are you hearing me now . Were going to fix that. Now . Were going to fix that. You see, its live telly, folks, isnt it . Thats what you like about gb news. A little bit of unexpected drama. Listen lets get to more of your emails, because ive been asking whether britain can afford tax cuts. Yes, we to afford tax cuts yes, we have to afford tax cuts in order to achieve growth, says patrick. Andrew says hi mark and the team. I think rishi sunak would get a big boost by trying to stem the war in ukraine. Nobodys talking about peace. Let rishi be a statesman and stand up and ask for peace talks. This could boost his world status and get the oil price down, reducing inflation. Andy, thank you for that. Im delighted to say that sir anthony is back with us. Sir anthony, forgive the Technical Glitch there in regards to your latest biography on Boris Johnson. He clearly has a brain on him and oodles of charisma. But what does your book tell us about his character and temperament that he had the potential that he was there at at moments of great historical significance . Significance . Brexit one of the biggest decisions any British Government has made since 1945. Covid the Biggest Health epidemic for 100 years is a war in ukraine, possibly leading to the third world war and a landslide general election victory to the conservatives. I mean , whatever conservatives. I mean, whatever it was, it wasnt a boring premiership. The question is , premiership. The question is, hes a superb campaigner. Hes a superb campaigner. Honoun hes a superb campaigner. Honour. We know that hes very good at winning elections, ones. That doesnt always mean in that the skills you need to win elections give you character elections give you the character to be a governor and once youre in downing street, you need to be good at governing , good at be good at governing, good at administration, good at consistency and that was his his downfall , as indeed does his downfall, as indeed does his stint in number 10 feel like a lost opportunity. Lost opportunity. He. Well i think brexit he he. Well i think brexit he will be remembered as the person more than anyone who made brexit happen amongst the politicians. Obviously nigel farage would is more important isnt out there in the country. But at the there in the country. But at the very top of politics, he was the man who decided to join vote leave and tipped a close referendum in favour of vote leave and away from remain. So leave and away from remain. So the question is, has he done enough to justify brexit . Did he have a real plan to reap the brexit dividend . And with covid, brexit dividend . And with covid, did he do enough to provide the assistant leadership . Are we assistant leadership . Are we just been hearing it debated there . Where did he go in too there . Where did he go in too much with those who wanted lockdowns . Did he did he have the brain to see a way through it . And with the general it . And with the general election landslide that people didnt think that he could win . He did win it. But did he do enough with it . And why are within two and a half years of winning that landslide of 80, was the tory party ripping itself apart and wanting him to go . So those, i think, are the are the fascinating questions. I mean, it is an amazing premiership. Premiership. Do you imagine that he craves a return to number 10 . Yeah because his whole character he loves the limelight. He wants to be the biggest person in the room. He wants the focus to be on him. Hes not focus to be on him. Hes not somebody who likes being locked away in a hut in the cotswolds is his happiest moment. He told one of his closest aides came in the 2012 olympic held in london when he got up on the stage and he had 50,000 people shouting boris, he absolutely loves that. And you know, thats not an uncommon in its what drives many people to want to become Prime Minister and to remain as Prime Minister and to remain as Prime Minister. That adulation you could see why he loved zelenskyy because zelenskyy had it. And you know why he admired churchill . Because churchill was the saviour of the nation. Thats the kind of role that bofis thats the kind of role that Boris Johnson would have craved. But that wasnt the historical moment for him. So yes, im sure hed like to come back, as churchill did at some point in the future. And no one can rule that out. Uh, you know, will that out. Uh, you know, will trump come back . Theres probably a you know, as big a chance of trump coming back as johnson. Who knows . This is a very volatile time for the conservative party. What is the conservative party. What is the conservative party. What is the conservative party believe in now . So its not going to happen now . So its not going to happen before the general election, after the general election, anything is possible. How do you anticipate the outcome of the next election . Sir anthony. Oh, i think sir anthony. Oh, i think i think we might have lost the line there. Can you hear me, sir . He might have just lost the line. Again, apologies for that. Couple of Technical Glitches. What an interesting guy. Sir Anthony Seldon, one of the countrys most esteemed educator , former headmaster, vice , former headmaster, former vice chancellor the university of chancellor at the university of buckingham. Lets catch up on some more of your emails now before we get to the break. Our our labour. Before we get to the break. Our our labour. The before we get to the break. Our our labour. The answer to our labour. The answer to britains problems is something that weve been debating in response to my big opinion monologue, which you can now catch up with on twitter at gb news. A vote for starmer is a vote for tony blair, who will be pulling the strings , as says pulling the strings, as says martin jane quite excited to see images of Boris Johnson there in my interview with sir Anthony Seldon. Hi mark, bring boris back. He seldon. Hi mark, bring boris back. He knew what to do and was back. He knew what to do and was stabbed in the back for his popularity. He could bring the country back to how we need it. He knew what people all wanted. Ive got to say, there are plenty of people that do miss bofis plenty of people that do miss Boris Johnson. So in terms of Boris Johnson. So in terms of a glorious return to number 10, never say never. Okay lots more to come in the 10 00 hour, im afraid to say that the for case electric cars is beginning to run out of charge. Whats your view . Do you own an electric car market . Cbnnews. Com plus tomorrows papers. Hot off the press with live reaction from tonights top pundits. All of tonights top pundits. All of that, plus your emails. So get that, plus your emails. So get the kettle on and ill see you shortly well, its coming up to 10 00 on television. On radio and online in the United Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight in a developing story, speaking at tory Party Conference, of course, probably their last conference before the next election , an ex home next election, an ex home secretary, priti patel, one of the most experienced politicians in has given her in the country, has given her official backing to the peoples channel. Gb news more on that very shortly. But if youre just joining us, welcome to the show. A busy hour to come in. My take at ten with the cost of insuring them through the roof. The them now through the roof. The case for electric is case for electric cars is running out of charge with priti patel calling Suella Braverman an attention seeker and with a cabinet split over , leaving the cabinet split over, leaving the echr and with liz truss calling for tax cuts, are the tories in the throes of a civil war . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker , be asking tonights newsmaker, the formidable ex government minister, ann widdecombe. Plus, minister, ann widdecombe. Plus, tomorrows newspaper , front tomorrows newspaper, front pages and live reaction from my top pundits. So a packed show, top pundits. So a packed show, lots to get through. But first, heres the news with lisa hartle i im lisa hartle in the newsroom. I promise to increase efforts to stop Illegal Migrants from entering the country has been made at the conservative Party Conference. Thats as the latest figures show, more than 537 people were intercepted trying to cross the channel yesterday. The foreign secretary, James Cleverly told the Party Faithful hes working with International Allies to stop the boats. Ive written to all of our ambassadors, all of our high commissioners, and ive instructed each and every one of them to do even more work with them to do even more work with the countries in which they represent the uk , to help stop represent the uk, to help stop the abhor print trafficking of human lives across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats will redouble all their effort to bnng redouble all their effort to bring an end to this terrible, terrible injury. Justice terrible injury. Justice earlier, the Tory Party Chairman used his opening address to take a swipe at laboun address to take a swipe at labour, waving. I have these labour, waving. I have these available at the conservative shop outside for just £16, 999 also online waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face. Greg hands mocked the labour leader, suggesting he doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. Issues affecting the country. His comments came just hours after the Prime Minister refused to commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak said his focus is on halving inflation because it impacts the poorest the most. On a visit to bali, the pm insisted his approach is deeply conservative, saying its a thatcherite policy. Thatcherite policy. The best tax cut that we can deliver right now is to halve inflation and thats something that im deeply committed to. Its the first of my five priorities. Why . Because thats how can help people with the how we can help people with the cost just want to cost of living. We just want to put money in peoples put more money in peoples pockets the way to do put more money in peoples pockright the way to do put more money in peoples pockright now the way to do put more money in peoples pockright now is way to do put more money in peoples pockright now is throughiy to do that right now is through halving is halving inflation. And that is a deeply conservative approach to this. And my colleagues understand is what understand that this is what Margaret Thatcher did. Margaret thatcher did. Is set to be a key issue tax is set to be a key issue over the next four days , with over the next four days, with more than 30 tory mps promising not to support the autumn statement if it contains any hikes. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says theyre right to question the pms tax policies , including inheritance policies, including inheritance tax. Tax. After 13 years of conservative government , we end conservative government, we end up in a position where even its own mps are having to campaign against their unfair tax policies and i think conservative mps are quite right to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest tax burden in 70 years . They should also be asking rishi sunak why now . Instead of thinking about cutting taxes for working people, looking to give people, hes looking to give himself and other super rich people a tax break by cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. A tax cut that would earn him personally. £300 would earn him personally. £300 million a key part of the Windsor Framework has come into effect for Northern Ireland with a new system introduced to move products from Great Britain goods which are being transported to the eu will use a red lane which includes customs declarations, while those bound for Northern Ireland will use a green lane with minimal papennork and no checks. Papennork and no checks. This this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Mark now its back to. Mark my thanks to lisa. Get my glasses on. Were ready for a busy hour. Welcome to mark dolan tonight with priti patel calling Suella Braverman an attention seeker with the cabinet split oven seeker with the cabinet split over, leaving the echr and with liz truss calling for tax cuts are the tories in the throes of are the tories in the throes of a major civil war . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker the formidable ex government minister, ann widdecombe. Plus, minister, ann widdecombe. Plus, ill be asking ann her memories of tory Party Conference when she was a top minister. Plus, tomorrows newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonights top pundits , former tory mp and ex pundits, former tory mp and ex cabinet minister Edwina Currie, trade unionist and broadcaster peter, a brand new star on the show. Andy macdonald and ex tory mp and farmer neil parish. Theyll be nominating their headune theyll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day as well. Dont forget those papers are coming. But first, my take. At ten. If but first, my take. At ten. If something doesnt seem right to you, if it doesnt add up, if it doesnt make sense, thats probably because it isnt right. It doesnt add up and it doesnt make sense. We live in an era now where youre supposed to ignore the obvious glaring realities of life. We are told that printing billions of pounds is cost free and wont cause inflation. Were told a flimsy mask standing six feet apart or leaving the pub an hour early will stop a respiratory virus. Were told that segregation and focusing on skin colour will somehow stop racism when that used to be considered the very cause of racism. Were told you can change your biological sex and that a man born without breasts can breastfeed and that he should participate in female sports and be accommodated in a womans prison if she her has been a naughty girl. I could go on. You know how mad the world has become. But in these has become. But in these troubled times, weve got to swallow this stuff. And if we decide to call it out, to draw attention to reality or even just to quote data , were a bad just to quote data, were a bad person. Were guilty of misinformation and we should shut up and go away. I think shut up and go away. I think this quote from george onnell pretty nicely sums it up. He pretty nicely sums it up. He famously wrote , the party told famously wrote, the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final most essential all command , which takes me to electric cars. You have to make quite the mental leap to take the view that electric cars are good for the environment. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that petrol and diesel gas guzzlers are good either. Absolutely not. But to say that manufacturing a new tesla is somehow good for the planet compared to keeping a ten year old Volkswagen Passat that youve already got is plain ridiculous. Frankly, its taking ridiculous. Frankly, its taking the passat. The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final most essential command has it not occurred to anyone that these electric cars replacing perfectly functional petrol and diesel cars that already exist require via a massive amount of energy to be produced . All of the metal , all the plastic, all the metal, all the plastic, all of the rubber , the factories of the rubber, the factories that make them the shipping of these cars around the world. And then there are the batteries. Useless after a few years and financial ruinous to replace. One chap i know was quoted £13,000 for a new battery on the nissan leaf. These batteries are wildly toxic. Xtraordinary silly, polluting and hard to recycle. So there are people recycle. So there are people still driving around in 20 and 30 year old cars quite happily. Well, thats not possible with electric vehicles. So youre looking at buying a new one every few years. Thats more every few years. Thats more production, more factories , more production, more factories, more resources, more pollution. The batteries themselves are comprised of precious , finite comprised of precious, finite minerals, which will run out people rightly draw attention to the horrors of slavery. In the past , but no the horrors of slavery. In the past, but no one seems to be giving a flying ford fiesta about current ongoing slavery with children and teenagers standing in freezing mud in the congo for up to 12 hours a day, mining for the lithium that goes into the electric cars that you drive around in london or manchester that make you feel like such a good person. When electric cars are far more expensive than petrol and diesel cars. So the ideology of net zero once again punishes the poorest in our society. Dont poorest in our society. Dont forget sky news presenters think that poor people dont drive cars at all. Get out of london, dear. Cars at all. Get out of london, dear. You might learn a thing or dear. You might learn a thing or two. You cant use the heater or air conditioning without running the battery down on these things. Where are the charging points . And then of course, there is the famous range anxiety where anything other than a trip to your local tescos is consumed armed with the abject terror that you wont make it. Even the the abject terror that you wont make it. Even the guardian offer a note of scepticism in their paper this weekend with drivers who ditched petrol and diesel cars to help save the planet. Facing huge prices in insurance premiums with one chap that they interviewed whod previously paid around £1,000 a year to insure his tesla was sent a quote for £5,000 and told to like it or lump it. These cars are expensive to repair, particularly after a collision. Theyre heavy, which is bad news for multi storey car parks. And for multi storey car parks. And on the rare occasions that the battery can explode and the extra weight causes higher emissions from the braking and the rubber shredded from the tyres, you have to wonder what is point . This is me and my is the point . This is me and my prius. Its an old car, but it still works. Why cant we have one of those . This push for electric cars is ideological. Electric cars is ideological. They have a role to play. Absolutely but the crazy rush to get everyone into electric cars by a week next thursday doesnt add up environmentally or economically. Its time to pull the plug on this. Failed experiment of electric vehicles. What do you think . Mark gbnews. Com or get to your email shortly, but first, lets hear from tonights top pundits. Edwina currie, ex conservative mp, former government minister Andy Macdonald, a trade unionist and neil parish former conservative mp. Id better conservative mp. Id better start with you, edwina , because start with you, edwina, because you own a tesla. Yeah im on my second tesla and i have to say, mark, ive never heard you so unadventurous. Unadventurous. My goodness, if a prius is the limit of your ambition and style, you know, i feel a little bit sorry for you. Much of what you say is right, but much of what you say is wrong apart from anything else. I save a lot of money having a tesla instead of having an an ordinary car, a petrol or diesel car. Mine will do like 350 miles on do Something Like 350 miles on one charge. I charge it mostly at home and i get my electricity from. I wont say which company, from. I wont say which company, but it produces it does it through renewables and all the rest of it. So that im trying to be as green as possible. But its a beautiful car. There are other electric cars that are very good and i accept that theres problem with theres a problem with batteries. Is a business batteries. There is a Business Case for somebody to get involved in recycling the batteries and making a lot of money, but its not happening yet. And it may well be that in the end well have Hydrogen Cars rather than electric cars. But for the time being, i love my tesla and it puts a lot of money in my pocket course of in my pocket over the course of a however , edwina has the however, edwina has let the cat bag. Andy cat out of the bag. Andy macdonald. Shes had two teslas in recent years. Thats the problem with these electric cars. You have to keep replacing them. Yeah, well, exactly. I dont yeah, well, exactly. I dont quite how goes through quite know how one goes through to thought they were to teslas. I thought they were they for life they were cars for life as theyre advertised. Well mean you well yeah i mean andy, you know about two jags prescott. Its isnt it. Its two teslas curry isnt it. Oh absolutely. The hypocrisy is the at the same time , is there. The at the same time, by the way, can i also say its 2 2 tractors parish yes, but not electric ones. Electric ones. So, andy, what do you think . I mean, i look, i think that electric cars have have a role, but i think this ideological push to go electric it strikes me as counterproductive. Me as counterproductive. I actually agree with you, mark. Surprisingly i think there isnt the infrastructure there physically, you know, the charging points arent really there for any Company Apart from tesla. I think also the more tesla. And i think also the more important thing is theres not the social infrastructure across the social infrastructure across the midlands, the north, people are happy pick up a 1200, you are happy to pick up a 1200, you dinger drive it around for a couple of years and then bin it off and the continues. Off and the cycle continues. I dont think with the kind dont think that with the kind of current electric of price of current electric vehicles hybrids making of price of current electric vehiclinroads. ids making of price of current electric vehiclinroads. You making of price of current electric vehiclinroads. You know,iking of price of current electric vehiclinroads. You know, toyota some inroads. You know, toyota are are great course with the are are great of course with the cars available now cars are available now but i think the social infrastructure needs to be there. They to needs to be there. They need to keep the Technology Keep working on the technology because definitely because there definitely is a place it needs place for it. But it just needs to point down to to get that price point down to what a normal working class family individual can afford, family or individual can afford, for sure. But im not even convinced neil the environmental neil parish by the environmental case for electric cars. Case for electric cars. I think there is a place for electric cars, but think the electric cars, but i think the idea of putting back diesel and petrol to 20 to 2035 was absolutely right, because you then create a second hand market also in electric cars. So people with lower incomes can afford them and i think hydrogen will come in as well, especially for heavier vans , lorries, tractors, heavier vans, lorries, tractors, all of those things will be hydrogen and not electric. I hydrogen and not electric. I think we have put too much of our our apples in one particular eggsin our our apples in one particular eggs in one particular basket with the electrics. And where we do have to be careful is the way many of these battery ingredients, ingredients are mined across the world. Child labour and goodness knows what. So, you know, we do have to be careful. We become a little bit simplistic over it, but as far as admissions are concerned, and if youre in an inner city, then theres no doubt electric cars have a real and outside schools. All of these places is absolutely fine. But of course, youve remember if youve got to remember also, if youve got to remember also, if you go to the rural areas and to the rural towns, much more difficult to have electric, especially with a lot of miles and of course, weve got to be absolutely no, no, weve got to be absolutely certain. Yeah. But also, it mustnt be a preserve either. Edwina of the middle class and thats where it is. And no, sorry, its not. Because if you want to run your businesses, your white vans , all businesses, your white vans, all of these things where you want them to be electric or hydrogen, theyve also got to be able to afford it. So therefore, its not of just those that not a case of just those that can afford them, can have them. So lets make sure its a broad based policy. And so thats why putting it back to 25, giving more time and getting a second hand market will work very well. Edwina look at straight down the barrel and make your final case for electric cars. Case for electric cars. Well, i love my car. The reason im on my second is because the weve moved from a large one to a smaller one and it goes my car beat your it goes my car will beat your car any time, let me tell you. Well, indeed. Look saying its argument i youre gorgeous, edwina. But youre a woman of substance, too. Wheres the substance . In electric cars. You havent addressed my criticisms. Addressed any of my criticisms. , i have indeed, in well, i have indeed, in several ways. Several ways. One is, it actually saves me a lot of money. Im not putting petrol or diesel in after petrol or diesel in week after week it saves me week after week. It saves me thousands a year. The thousands of pounds a year. The second is its a beautiful car. Its quiet, its silent. Its extremely comfortable. Its very fast. If extremely comfortable. Its very fast. If i want it to be, i can. I can beat any of you. And edwina happy, have you addedin and edwina happy, have you added in the cars depreciation . That will be interesting because then youll find then youll its nowhere as youll find its nowhere near as economic as you believe it to be. Dont bother about that. When i had a mercedes. Listen, ive kills cars. Listen, ive kills cars. Edwinas edwinas tesla will go for a fortune because its owned by a celebrity. Listen lots more to come. Listen to lots more to come. Listen to this with priti patel calling Suella Braverman and attention seeker with the cabinet split oven seeker with the cabinet split over, leaving the echr and with liz truss calling for tax cuts, are the tories in the throes of are the tories in the throes of a civil war . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker the formidable ex government minister and widdecombe plus tom moore is front pages with instant reaction from tonights top pundits and widdecombe is listening to gb news radio. Mark says, john, what is the point of a second hand electric car as the batteries are useless . Ive got to say, none of you at the moment are having electric cars, but keep those emails coming. Catch up emails coming. Ill catch up with 1030. But its time with them at 1030. But its time now and now for the newsmaker. And following bold speech in the following her bold speech in the united about illegal United States about illegal immigration failure of immigration and the failure of multiculturalism. Suella braverman has faced an unlikely backlash from her predecessor in the home office, priti patel, who in an interview this weekend labelled braverman an attention seeker. This as tensions grow seeker. This as tensions grow within the cabinet about whether the uk should leave the European Convention on human rights in order to tackle illegal crossings in the channel. Meanwhile, former Prime Minister liz truss will be lobbying colleagues at conference this week , pushing for the prime week, pushing for the Prime Minister to cut taxes and to go for growth. So is this a sign of for growth. So is this a sign of healthy debate within the party or the beginnings of a civil war . Lets get the views of tonights newsmaker, former conservative government minister, author and Television Personality ann widdecombe. And personality ann widdecombe. And welcome to the show. Youve seen your fair share of tory infighting over the years. Is infighting over the years. Is there trouble brewing within the party, do you think . Party, do you think . Oh, good heavens, its not brewing. Its already been there brewing. Its already been there for a very long time. Brewing. Its already been there for a very longtime. Um, and for a very long time. Um, and just look at what were now, you know, almost taking for granted that a former home secretary can actually say of her successor that she is an attention seeker. Now , you know, i can remember now, you know, i can remember a time not so very long ago you didnt have to go back into the depths of history. You know, the tradition was that former occupants of office, including Prime Ministers did not attack their successor owners on their own side. Youd obviously attack successors on the other side. Now, this is so normal that, you know, nobody is really commenting on it. And i mean, weve had civil war in the tory party now for a very long time. I mean, what was all the fuss about truss answer a war between the Parliamentary Party and the party in the country. They wanted different Prime Ministers and the party in westminster finally won. Weve got no finally won. Weve got no discipline in there at all. None and you know , the nation can see and you know, the nation can see it and, you know, when we look and we want a government to be solving things all we hear is talk. I solving things all we hear is talk. I have to say, of suella, i dont think shes an attention seeken i dont think shes an attention seeker. I think shes a quiet but hopeless waffler. She talks but hopeless waffler. She talks and talks and talks about what shes going to do and she delivers absolutely nothing. She talks about those boats until im sick of actually hearing her say the word boats. But she does say the word boats. But she does not nothing. And you know, it reminds me, you know , the old reminds me, you know, the old verse from history, you know, a toast unto our sovereign lord whose word no man relies on. He never said a foolish thing and never said a foolish thing and never did a wise one. Suella braverman talks wisely. She does us nothing. Well you speak with authority. And you know the home Office Inside out is ditching the echr. The final card that rishi sunak has up his sleeve. Might that move the dial for the government in terms of how serious theyre taking their taken in their efforts to stop the boats . The boats . Well, if he actually did leave echr, then yes, i think that would make an enormous difference. Hes not going to hes going to say thats what hes going to say thats what hes going to do. Itll probably appear the appear as a promise in the manifesto and then hes going to say, but there are so many difficulties, exactly what hes done. The idea that done over rwanda. The idea that we leave echr without substantial legal challenges and nonsense and hes shown no ability to get to grips with it when hes in that situation. So you know, he may say that hes going to do that and there will be a section of his party that doesnt like that. And so once doesnt like that. And so once again, well all be sitting there watching them, fighting amongst themselves. But hes not actually going to achieve it, mark. And frankly, the only thing the only thing that will get him re elected is if he has a record of achieving and he doesnt. Hes simply doesnt. And you are a veteran of many conservative Party Conferences. Many of your speeches very memorable. What are what are your recollections of this event over the years . Over the years . Well, of course, my recollections vary according to what stage i was at in the political Cursus Honorum and when youre young and youre going to conference and you stay up half the night, miss the up half the night, i miss the brighton by 20 minutes in brighton bomb by 20 minutes in it, the night it, you stay up half the night and youre trying to make contacts and youre trying to advance and above advance your career. And above all, want to speak. You all, you want to speak. You really want to speak. And of course, you know, thats not so easy. If youre one of several thousand, which is what it used to be in its heyday. So i can to be in its heyday. So i can remember all that rivalry, all that jostling for position, all those efforts to speak. And then of course, time goes on and you get into parliament and then you become a minister. And then of course, youre making speeches from the platform. And i was phenomenally blessed because by the time i was making speeches from the platform, we were in opposition. We were early in opposition, and i could say what i liked and in government you cant you cant indeed. Cant you cant indeed. Did you witness any any naughtiness over the years at conference, any dramatic moments . Well, the bomb was pretty dramatic. Yeah and i can vividly remember the conference where Cecil Parkinson had some problems and there was the that was the talk of the party at the time. And i can remember all time. And i can remember all those sorts of things. But on the whole, in those days , you the whole, in those days, you know, we took conference seriously. We were at the seaside, of course not. Now youre in manchester or somewhere miserable, but we were at the seaside and we were there for five days. You know, now its all crushed into about two and a half days. Its all crushed into about two and a half days. We could put and a half days. We could put down motions which disagreed with party policy. You know, we could put them down. And we did. And it was much more democratic exciting conference mean now it is a set piece thats all it is. Its a set piece. And frankly, its as bonng piece. And frankly, its as boring as most of the speakers are. Well, you dont do boring an and we look fonnard to catching up in a weeks time. My thanks to former government minister vetter an tory party vetter an of tory Party Conference and widdecombe coming up tomorrows newspaper front pages reaction in the pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. Studio from my top pundits. Plus, theyll nominating plus, theyll be nominating their heroes and back their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day. Dont go anywhere radio. Okay, well, look , im very okay, well, look, im very excited because the tory Party Conference has started. I love all of the conferences. 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Electric cars are this centurys betamax recorders , centurys betamax recorders, only way more expensive. Anyone only way more expensive. Anyone else like me old enough to remember the betamax . Many people rushed out and bought the new betamax , only to find the new betamax, only to find the arrival of vhs video recorders overnight, rendered their betamax machines. You useless and magna says, hi mark, would you buy a second hand petrol or diesel car . If you knew that youd have to re engine it. Of course, referring there to the fact that the batteries do take some replacing. However matthew disagrees with me and he says hi, mark wouldnt the person who wishes to change their ten year old passat be buying a new or newer petrol diesel if they werent buying a new or newer ev, which also uses a lot of energy and resources. So making energy and resources. So making no net difference. Matt, thank you for that. Keep those emails coming. Mark at gbnews. Com it is just gone 1030. Its time for these. News papers and we start these. News papers and we start with the sun newspaper. After with the sun newspaper. After backing ukraine, Russian Hackers attack the royals cyber blitz crashes palace website. Russian cyber criminals targeted the royal family today , days after royal family today, days after King Charless condemnation of the ukraine war, pro putin excuse me, pro putin Hacktivist Group killnet boasted that they brought down the royal website with a coordinated strike. A source said this was a denial of service attack, which saw the site bombarded with traffic. Also, glory rorys ryder sup europe beat usa in golf clash. Europe beat usa in golf clash. The guardian and tory factions threatened to wreck sunak conference. Pms hopes of uniting party a flounder amid tax and culture war battles. Verbal abuse damaging to children , say experts. Parents children, say experts. Parents who shout at their kids or call them stupid are leaving their offspring at greater risk of self harm. Drug use and ending up in jail, according to new research. Also back to her best simone biles on her way to topping the leaderboard in the womens all round at the world artistic gymnastics championships in belgium. Isnt championships in belgium. Isnt that amazing what she can do with her legs . I can. I can with her legs . I can. I can actually do that, too. And i may show you later in the show. Edwina will have to pull my heels up a bit, but it can be done daily. Express hunt vows to turn the screw on the work shy jeremy hunt will turn the screw on those who would rather live on those who would rather live on benefits instead of working. The chancellor is also set to announce a wage rise of up to £1,000 for 2 million of the lowest paid workers. Daily mail lowest paid workers. Daily mail mobile phones ban in schools. Mobiles will be banned from classrooms. The education secretary will announce tomorrow. Gillian keegan will order schools to outlaw smartphones during lessons and also in breaks in a bid to end disruption and make it easier for pupils to focus. The i for pupils to focus. The i newspaper. Tory leaders in newspaper. Tory leaders in waiting threatened to overshadow pms party. Rishi sunak battles to maintain discipline as future leadership rivals jostle for position on the opening day of tory Party Conference. The Financial Times exporters face hefty excuse me, exporters face hefty excuse me, exporters face hefty eu carbon tax after sunak weakens climate policies. Metro easy rider europes golfers triumph over usa and rishi my target is win flation pm pins election hopes on halving the rates but no tax cuts daily mirror becks addicted to posh David Beckham , reflecting on his David Beckham, reflecting on his lengthy and very happy marriage to victoria. Also free school to victoria. Also Free School Meals , fights do the right meals, fights do the right thing. Pm a host of stars have backed the mirrors call for all Primary School children to get Free School Meals. Celebs, including brian cox, olivia colman, kate winslet , ed colman, kate winslet, ed sheeran, nadiya hussain and tom kerridge urged number 10 to end the scandal of hungry kids daily star bonkers Freak Weather has made our conkers soft and our nuts are in crisis. Well speak for yourself. World champs may have to bake them instead. Edwina yes, youd have to bake your nuts because this years flip flopping weather has made conkers soft and mushy. Theres one bit of good news, though. Itll make it easier to get a niner. I havent had one of those for years. And those are those for years. And those are your front pages. Lets get full your front pages. Lets get full pundit reaction now from Edwina Currie , Andy Macdonald and neil currie, Andy Macdonald and neil pansh. Currie, Andy Macdonald and neil parish. So listen, lots of parish. So listen, lots of stories to get through and i think we should start with this one. Andy, jeremy hunt, the chancellor vows to turn the screw on the work shy. The screw on the work shy. The chancellor is going to focus on people who would rather live on benefits instead of working. I think its upwards of 5 Million People now of working age who are not active in the economy. Is he right to tackle this . Yeah, absolutely. I mean, were a we need be a working were a we need to be a working country. You know, when edwina was in government, an was in government, we were an industrialised nation. We need to to that. We need to to get back to that. We need to encourage to work encourage our citizens to work and it going. Interested encourage our citizens to work an see it going. Interested encourage our citizens to work an see how;oing. Interested encourage our citizens to work an see how he|g. Interested encourage our citizens to work an see how he|g. Do nterested encourage our citizens to work an see how he|g. Do it,� rested encourage our citizens to work ansee how he|g. Do it, buted to see how he will do it, but i think the most interesting part of his national of this article is his National Insurance reform. For the first insurance reform. For the first time, you can earn £1,000 a month without paying a penny of tax or National Insurance. Yeah, i think that will do fantastic things for those that may be only to part time only able to work part time because theyve caring because theyve got caring duties parents siblings duties over parents or siblings or even those that are working whilst at university. I think that be really, really that will be really, really beneficial for working beneficial for both the working economy and the kind of wider buying economy. Well, yes. I mean, is this is this a call for tough love . Do you think, edwina, from the chancellor think its an effort has to i think its an effort has to be made when people have been out of work for a while for whatever reason, whether it was covid redundancy covid or redundancy or whatever they lose confidence and they lose that rhythm of getting up and to going work and all the rest of it. And that a rest of it. And that needs a lot of and encouragement. Ive of help and encouragement. Ive seen action at the buxton seen it in action at the buxton job centre. I think a wonderful people. They are. They people. They really are. They really help, they encourage, they push push and when somebody gets a job, then they get a lot of praise and a lot of support because then sometimes you can go on to better things. But that practical support and help is not and it needs to be not cheap and it needs to be done through the department of work pensions by dedicated work and pensions by dedicated and trained staff. If thats what hes trying to do, he will succeed. Succeed. Isnt there another way, though, neil . Which is to make working pay and to not working pay and to make not working, not pay. Working, not pay. Funnily thats funnily enough, thats exactly was going say. Exactly what i was going to say. Weve it right. Weve never really got it right. Universal has to do universal credit has tried to do this where you actually, when you you can actually keep you work, you can actually keep more your money. The problem more of your money. The problem with very with the benefit system very often you go back into often is when you go back into work, your work, you very often lose your benefits and youll find half the time you dont actually benefit financially. I think benefit financially. And i think thatis benefit financially. And i think that is something that really needs fixed so that needs to be fixed so that therefore whenever you work therefore that whenever you work you if its part time or whatever it is , youre actually whatever it is, youre actually going to be better off than if you are on benefit. And if you dont, if you go out of work again, you can get back into the benefit system, you see, because this what lot of people this is what a lot of people decide to do. They that decide to do. They decide that its worth them going into its not worth them going into work because they risk coming its not worth them going into w0|the acause they risk coming its not worth them going into w0|the benefit hey risk coming its not worth them going into w0|the benefit system coming its not worth them going into w0|the benefit system and1ing its not worth them going into w0|the benefit system and they off the benefit system and they have a deal of difficulty have a great deal of difficulty getting back. So that getting back. So i think that is where hunt can where if jeremy hunt can actually fix that and we should be able to do it, and then we encourage people into work. And encourage people into work. And i think edwin is right that, you know, some people have had real trauma it. I think if trauma over it. But i think if you get financial incentives you can get financial incentives right stop people being right and stop people being worried about their benefits. Worried about their benefits. Theres another element, but theres another element, and trying to fix the and that is trying to fix the nhs, which is own job. But nhs, which is gods own job. But a lot of the people who are out of work are waiting for treatments and care and get a new knee or whatever. And as long as doctors on £100,000 a year are on strike, then the waiting list will continue to increase. Indeed. Plus mental health, of course, which has worsened dunng of course, which has worsened during the pandemic. The daily mirror. Edwina, do the right thing, Prime Minister. Celebs back mirror campaign to give every Primary School child in england Free School Meals. Oh yeah. Classic classic thing. Classic classic thing. Classic classic thing. Classic thing. Classic classic thing. Classic recommendation to take a large chunk of taxpayers money and give it to people who dont need it. Yeah, if you want to look after the poorest children, look it. Yeah, if you want to look after the poorest children. But that means what theyre suggesting is giving Free School Meals to every child , which is meals to every child, which is nonsense. And its thats the job of parents. It suggests that parents really dont matter. Parents are redundant or irrelevant because the state is to going do everything, it seems to going do everything, it seems to me, absolute the wrong approach. I can think of much better ways of spending that money if we have to spend it. Would be practical to offer would it be practical to offer this in means tested way this in a means tested way or not . Is offered means not . It is offered in a means tested free school tested way already Free School Meals children in families. Meals for children in families. There many kids that are there too many kids that fall the gap, though . Fall through the gap, though . Do you that the issue . No, i dont think so. There may be families in which the parents are choosing to spend the something but the money on something else, but then of both then thats a matter of both education culture. Education and culture. And support. Giving free support. But no giving Free School Meals to every child that goes to school, i think is nonsense. And of course, we dont want kids going hungry. But is it the governments job feed governments job to feed our children . Children . I dont. Funnily enough, i actually agree with edwinas kind of end goal. I dont agree with the process of getting there, but i dont agree with this kind of policy. I think why should taxpayers money go on middle really middle class kids lunch . Really i what need to see i think what we do need to see is a and maybe an opening is a reform and maybe an opening of access for working class families get families and children to get those school meals. If those Free School Meals. And if we to this money, we have to spend this money, maybe have a continuance throughout holidays throughout School Holidays to make being fed make sure that theyre being fed even school is not on, even when school is not on, id say would a better way say that would be a better way to this if have to spend this money if we have to spend this money if we have to spend this money if we have to spend but i think the to spend it. But i think the government have a government does have a responsibility after responsibility to look after those provide for those that cannot provide for themselves. No, i dont themselves. But no, i dont think class kids should think middle class kids should be getting free lunch. Celebrities what about these celebrities signalling virtue by signalling their virtue by by supporting campaign . Supporting this campaign . Millionaire pop you know, millionaire pop stars yeah, stars and actors saying, yeah, lets lets give hard earned taxpayers money away to middle class families . Well, i just think its a bit silly and everyone kind of just shakes their well, any one reasonable shakes reasonable just shakes their head, think. Head, i think. Mean, what Brave Campaign i mean, what a Brave Campaign to support it. I think from these celebrities, be fair, celebrities, i think to be fair, the got a leg the only one thats got a leg to stand is cox, because stand on is brian cox, because his Charitable Foundation is fantastic in fantastic with children in scotland. I have to say can scotland. I have to say he can comment but i dont know comment on it, but i dont know about them. Comment on it, but i dont know abo right . Them. Comment on it, but i dont know abo right . Yeah them. Comment on it, but i dont know abo right . Yeah theren. Comment on it, but i dont know abo right . Yeah there you go. Right . Yeah there you go. Okay. Well, you tom okay. Well, and you know, tom kerridge is a nice hes kerridge is a nice guy. Hes been theyre not been on the show and theyre not a bunch, but theyre a bad bunch, but theyre well meaning, wrong. Well meaning, but theyre wrong. Theyre well meaning wrong. Theyre well meaning but wrong. There rishi theyre well meaning but wrong. Tt hey rishi theyre well meaning but wrong. Tt he well rishi theyre well meaning but wrong. Tt he well meaning rishi theyre well meaning but wrong. Tt he well meaning parish . Is he well meaning neil parish . My win inflation. My target is win inflation. Rishi sunak has told worried tories he wants cut taxes, tories he wants to cut taxes, but fighting inflation to help people the of living people in the cost of living crisis pre election crisis is his pre election priority. Is he right . I mean, i think, you know, you only have to look at food inflation still running nearly 10. All of these things are actually whats the is the cost of living crisis is about. So therefore if we can actually get inflation down, then the money inflation down, then the money in pocket worth more. In your pocket is worth more. What worth more. What your earnings worth more. Othennise youre forever chasing wage increases in fuelling inflation. So he is absolutely right. What will be interesting is whether he can get it down fast enough by the election and for people to actually feel a difference. You know, people have to feel better in their pockets. And at the moment pockets. And at the moment theyre not because its costing everythings costing them more. Everythings costing them more. So i think youll find hes absolutely right to target it. But i suspect he will still need to have some tax cuts as well before the next general election. Andy i actually agree with you. I dont know whats happened earlier. We were disagreeing, but now were agreeing. But i think, you know , making food think, you know, making food inflation stop rising is key. But the thing is, a tesco meal deal that used to be £3, now its £3. 40 or £3. 90. Thats not going to go back down in the lasting effect of the food inflation is still going to be there when theres an election, whether later year, whether its later this year, next 2025, if next year or even 2025, if theyre really pushing it. And thats thats the real for thats thats the real issue for me. Damage done for me. The damage has been done for the families britain that the families across britain that will struggling with it will be struggling with it doesnt like but doesnt sound like a lot, but that extra 40 or £0. 90 accumulate thats and the damage has already been done. So yeah, good for him for trying to stop it. But need you know, it. But we need to, you know, use his immense influence to you know, do the impossible. But he cant. Okay. Fascinating stuff. Listen, weve been running a poll. Is the electric car revolution running out of charge . Well, the results are in. Well give those to you next. Plus, my pundits will be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day. Plus, more papers. See you. Radio. Its brilliant stuff. Lets do a couple of emails before i reveal the results of tonights text poll. But our evs, our text poll. But our evs, our electric cars running out of charge. Is this from a who is charge. Is this from a who is it . Im looking for a name here. Its unnamed, but they say, mark, ive just lost ten grand in 12 months on my electric vehicle. Ill be in 12 months on my electric vehicle. Ill be going back to petrol. Petrol. Well, how did you manage to do that . Its astonishing, isnt it . How about this from david . Hi, mark. With reference to cars, i dont use my five litre supercharged jag sports as much nowadays, only because my giant dog doesnt fit inside. And dog doesnt fit inside. And there you go. David. Id love to know what youve got. Marion says. Hi, mark. Ive always had Volkswagen Passats i bought one that was ten years old, sold it when it was 20 years old. You wont be able to do that with battery cars. Look, thank you so much for all of your emails. Weve been endorsed by priti patel, the former home secretary. In fact, i might a little bit later. Dominic, why dont we play that one more time. But what she had to say. But anyway, this from linda. Well done. Gb news being endorsed by priti well well done. Gb news being endorjmark. Priti well well done. Gb news being endorjmark. Arent well well done. Gb news being endorjmark. Arent you well well done. Gb news being endorjmark. Arent you due. L well done. Gb news being endorjmark. Arent you due a day done, mark. Arent you due a day off soon or will you listen . Thank you so much for that. Yes i temporarily stepped in to i have temporarily stepped in to the slots because of the weekday slots because of events. Dear boy events, and i will be back. Im doing tomorrow and tuesday from 9 to 11. So do look fonnard to your company then. And but othennise, its always. Friday to sunday nine till 11. Its great to have your company. Okay. The results are in. Has the electric car revolution run out of charge . And here we go. Lets have and here we go. Lets have a look at what you have had to say. The people have spoken. Its a dud. 87. 2. Its going great. 12. 8. So a resound majority are not having electric cars. But let majority are not having electric cars. But let me majority are not having electric cars. But let me tell you majority are not having electric cars. But let me tell you , cars. But let me tell you, Edwina Currie , back to me. Back Edwina Currie, back to me. Back to me. Marky there you go. Edwina currie is not for turning or are you turning. Okay listen, lets now ask Edwina Currie for her nomination of headline hero of the day. So whos caught your eye . Edwina the entire ryder cup team. Our ryder cup team. Who have not only really beaten the americans at their own game , as americans at their own game, as it were, but have done it in such an entertaining and exciting way. And my particular favourite was jon rahm. He was the guy who did the hole in one on practise, which was magic, but he the all of them absolutely deserved to be recognised as great heroes. They recognised as great heroes. They have changed the face of golf. Theyve made it entertaining in the way that the English Cricket Team made cricket entertaining. And now its about time for, i dont know, snooker and soccer to catch up. Well there you go. Well done. We could do that. Little bit of good news. That little lift. So well done europe in the ryder cup. Andy, your headune in the ryder cup. Andy, your headline hero. Headline hero. My headline is the late my headline hero is the late senator dianne feinstein. An senator dianne feinstein. An absolute titan of us politics, a trailblazer, truly for womens equality in the capital of america. You know, the first female president of the San Francisco board of supervisors , francisco board of supervisors, the first female mayor of San Francisco, longest serving female senator ever. You know, incredible. Shes on so many incredible. Shes on so many committees, chaired so many committees, chaired so many committees, has been there , you committees, has been there, you know, from the 20th to the 21st century. Shes really seen that evolution. And i think, you know , way to truly honour , the only way to truly honour her is her on her honour her is have her on mark dolan tonight well, im pleased that towering pleased to hear that a towering figure politics and figure of us politics and amazing woman. And i would add nancy pelosi to that as well, the american women politicians , particularly women politicians, particularly on the democrat side, have been exceptional people, exceptional , and theyve had to be exceptional to get where they were. Would you include hillary in that list . Slightly less so, perhaps because hillary kept going on and on about breaking the Glass Ceiling, whereas you could hear the voices in michigan or or wisconsin saying , well, i dont wisconsin saying, well, i dont know about you, lady, but your Glass Ceiling is a lot higher than mine. Than mine. And thats exactly right. Well, put, neil, your headline hero today. Actually gone for the ive actually gone for the prime sunak, Prime Minister rishi sunak, because he took on an because i think he he took on an imploding conservative party. He took on a time when the country really needed a Prime Minister to stand up the up to the to stand up to the up to the plate. And hes done it and. All right. Yes. Still lots of problems to sort, actually problems to sort, but i actually think , you know, hes a man with think, you know, hes a man with with a vision. And think hes with a vision. And i think hes a who will actually a man who will actually turn this around. I just hope this country around. I just hope the conservative party doesnt actually turn him and implode actually turn on him and implode on itself, because if they do do, they will be toast and they will absolutely deserve to be toast. So they have got one chance, really. And of course, rishi sunak is actually more popular than the party. The polls show that quite clearly. Yeah the tories are a very tainted brand. I made that point in my big opinion. However do you big opinion. However do you think our system now has become more president ial and do you think that the election next year will be president ial . And if does help . Sunak if so, does that help . Sunak i think it does. Itll help rishi i think it definitely helped boris without a doubt. When he stood. I think were in danger in a bit, in a way of becoming too president ial and not actually looking enough at party policies. And i think at party policies. And i think itll be interesting if the if the opinion polls tighten, which theyre beginning to, and if theyre beginning to, and if they get tighter, suddenly therell be a spotlight put back on labour policy and then theyll see theres nothing there. And i think that is there. And i think that is whats interesting. And so at the moment arent the tories have just carried on, you know, just, just piling the, you know, the h1t out and the labour party has had an easy time, but i think sunak rishi is changing it and itll be interesting to see what happens. A e i mean , politics aside, i a e i mean, politics aside, i just wonder whether the rishi sunak edges it in terms of the best ceo for the country. Do you think that could be a factor next year . Just, you know, starmer versus sunak the face off . I dont imagine itll come down to the individuals because lets be honest, neither of them are particularly personalities. Theyre hardly, you know, theyre hardly, hardly you know, hardly Boris Johnson, you know, theyre quite kind of just bonng theyre quite kind of just boring individuals. Theyre quite kind of just boring indi corbyn well, theyre quite kind of just boring indi corbyn well , even Jeremy Corbyn well, even jeremy, you know, he was a character you you can say character, you know, you can say that, correct . Character, you know, you can say thai correct . Character, you know, you can say thai correcyou know, politics i think, you know, politics has very, very exciting has been very, very exciting over the last 6 or 7 years. Itll be good to have a bit of a bonng itll be good to have a bit of a boring well but on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors well but on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors in well but on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors in an well but on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors in an area. But on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors in an area like on on itll be good to have a bit of a boridoors in an area like ours,1 the doors in an area like ours, which is a march marginal red wall derbyshire in wall seat, derbyshire in derbyshire, find is that derbyshire, what we find is that actually its not the personalities that matters, that deep feeling people have , let me deep feeling people have, let me put way. Put it this way. Theyre sick and tired of being told that theyre racist. Theyre sick tired of being theyre sick and tired of being told theyre wrecking the told that theyre wrecking the planet. Theyre sick tired planet. Theyre sick and tired of being told all are of being told that all men are rapists cruelty and all the rapists and cruelty and all the rest of theyre sick and rest of it. Theyre sick and tired of being told anything. Ing it feels a little bit mark, a like before for the 2016 a bit like before for the 2016 referendum when there was a kind of visceral feeling that an awful lot of ordinary people were being ignored. And what were finding, i dont know whether its showing up in the polls or not, but what were finding is that they they dont like way the labour party is like the way the labour party is doing it. And they are much more likely now to be tory. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. Listen, what a thrill to have edwina in the studio. Edwina always a treat to have you. Brilliant first job well from brilliant first job as well from andy the as brilliant first job as well from andpundit the as brilliant first job as well from andpundit and the as brilliant first job as well from andpundit and the the as brilliant first job as well from andpundit and the marvellouss our pundit and the marvellous neil parish folks. Thank you for neil parish folks. Thank you for your its been really your company. Its been a really busy lets be honest. Busy weekend, lets be honest. Its 5 or 6 days. Its been a busy 5 or 6 days. I will be covering nine till on will be covering nine till 11 on monday tuesday, see monday and tuesday, so ill see you nine. Well done, you tomorrow at nine. Well done, mark. The way, headliners is next. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest news weather forecast. It stays mixed over the next few days, well see some rain at times, but there will be some drier and brighter intervals. Temperatures generally on the warm for the time of year. Warm side for the time of year. At the moment, low pressure generally dominates the weather pattern. Area of high pattern. But this area of High Pressure to move in pressure starts to move in towards of the week towards the middle of the week across south, across the across the south, across the south this evening, though, quite cloudy picture , outbreaks quite cloudy picture, outbreaks of patchy at times , too. Of patchy rain at times, too. And that continues overnight. Some cloud mist and murk some low cloud mist and murk developing here. The further north generally drier, some clear spells for Northern Ireland, but turning clear spells for northern irelant across but turning clear spells for northern irelantacross the but turning clear spells for northern irelantacross the highlands1g clear spells for northern irelantacross the highlands with windy across the highlands with showers here and temperatures for part generally staying for most part generally staying in double figures. A warm start in double figures. A warm start to the day across southern counties england and wales. Counties of england and wales. Quite there with quite cloudy here. There with patchy rain and and then patchy rain and drizzle and then through day well see cloud through the day well see cloud amounts increase across england and rain and wales. Some heavy rain developing red skies for Northern Ireland and scotland through day, but still some through the day, but still some scattered showers staying windy across of across the north west of scotland. Temperatures high teens to low 22 or 23. Teens to low 20s 22 or 23. Possible towards the far southeast where we see any sunshine into tuesday. Weve got early rain clearing south eastwards and then its a bright day with sunny spells and scattered showers. Showers moving in quite quickly across the northern half of the uk on that brisk westerly best that brisk westerly breeze. Best of sunshine across southern of the sunshine across southern areas. Little areas. Temperatures a little lower, but staying around average over the next few im lisa hartle in the newsroom. A promise to increase newsroom. A promise to increase efforts to stop Illegal Migrants from entering the country has been made at the conservative Party Conference. Thats as the latest figures show, more than 537 people were intercepted trying to cross the channel yesterday. The foreign yesterday. The foreign secretary, James Cleverly told the Party Faithful hes working with International Allies to stop the boats. Ive written to all of our ambassadors, all of our high commissioners, and ive instructed each and every one of them to do even more work with them to do even more work with the countries in which they represent the uk , to help stop represent the uk, to help stop the abhor print trafficking of human lives across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats nts will redouble their efforts to bnng will redouble their efforts to bring an end end to this terrible , terrible injustice. Terrible, terrible injustice. Earlier, the Tory Party Chairman used his opening address to take a swipe at laboun address to take a swipe at labour. I have these available at the conservative shop outside for just £16. 99. Also online waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face. Greg hands mocked the labour leader, suggesting he doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. His affecting the country. His comments came just hours after the Prime Minister refused to commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak said his focus is on halving inflation