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You just want our politicians to take control . You be happy take control . Would you be happy for us to be out of the echr gb views gbnews. Com. But right now its your headlines. Its your headlines. Good afternoon. Its just after 3 00. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. The family of a 15 Year Old Girl stabbed in croydon have paid tribute to her as the investigation continues. Ltn investigation continues. Ltn arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school in a statement, her family says, our hearts are broken by the senseless death of our daughter, iuana senseless death of our daughter, iliana was the light of our lives. A 17 year old boy who lives. A 17 year old boy who knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning. Roads and local transport minister Richard Holden told gb news whats being done to tackle knife crime. New legislation has been brought in. Sentences are being strengthened, which is vitally important as well. 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That argument seems to centre around two key things perception on the world stage and sovereignty over Border Control in terms of how it would look on the world stage for us to get out of the echr. Im a bit sick of british citizens having to pay the price for how the elites think we should to their elite mates should look to their elite mates around that is a around the world that is a luxury for people who luxury ambition for people who can afford luxuries which many ordinary cannot ordinary brits simply cannot get. People say if we pulled out of the echr, wed be like russia or belarus. I mean, thats just or belarus. I mean, thats just not is it . But by that not true. Is it . But by that logic, wed also like anybody logic, wed also be like anybody else in it. Like, oh , else who isnt in it. Like, oh, i america, canada, i dont know, america, canada, new , japan. Id rather new zealand, japan. Id rather be those countries than be like those countries than like bosnia or lithuania or north. In belarus, a North Macedonia. In belarus, a couple of years ago, there was a political uprising and about 27,000 people were initially detained. Thousands were tortured, shot, beaten and killed. In belarus, their killed. In belarus, their Security Services are still known as the kgb. Over here, people can get away with tearing down a statue and chucking it in a harbour and a police force are at pains not to accidentally misgender someone. There is a big difference there, isnt there . Element of how were there . The element of how were perceived on the world stage that i really care about is how clearly millions of people from africa in the middle east think that were a meal ticket and a free ride. Our standing on the world stage clearly is that we are soft touch. Now when it are a soft touch. Now when it comes to sovereignty over our own borders, like the own borders, i feel like the vast of brits are not vast majority of brits are not comfortable with somebody from luxembourg, luxembourg, liechtenstein, monaco or moldova being able to tell us who we can and cannot deport. That just doesnt sit deport. That just doesnt sit that well with me. It doesnt feel right , that well with me. It doesnt feel right, but it is this way. If there was to be a vote on the table today, the british citizens, if they wanted foreign judges to be able to dictate who we could and could not keep in britain, i personally dont think that we would vote for that. Think that we would vote for that. So should we now be given that. So should we now be given the choice to vote to leave it . The choice to vote to leave it . I actually do feel sorry for Suella Braverman and rishi sunak. Weve given money to the french to do a bit more in the channel. Weve taken in genuine Asylum Seekers and refugees from ukraine as ukraine and afghanistan, as well as theyve as other nations. Theyve gone into battle over illegal into battle over the illegal migration bill. Theyve sorted out kind of suella out a rwanda plan kind of suella stood up on the world stage and said that the world needs to change its definition of a refugee. Frankly in to refugee. Frankly in order to save from falling into save the world from falling into total chaos and disrepair. But the want to know. The world didnt want to know. So whats the only option now . Is it not to leave the echr and have more control . The world isnt going to help us out here in britain. Isnt it time to just help ourselves. Yeah thats just help ourselves. Yeah thats what i think. I want to hear from you. Of course. Email me gb views. Gbnews. Com. Do you think we should be getting out of the echr . There will be massive pushback and there pushback on that and there is a very staying in it very good case for staying in it as let me know your as well. So let me know your views either side. Im joined views on either side. Im joined now gb news Political Editor now by gb news Political Editor Christopher Christopher Christopher Hope. Christopher thank you very, very much. Look, lets just start with the politics begin with. How has politics to begin with. How has it gone down, this idea now, the kind of rolling of wicket, kind of rolling of the wicket, as were, for us leave the as it were, for us to leave the echr. Echr. Well, i think its been well received. I think by by the received. I think by by the right of the tory party that that speech by Suella Braverman, an extraordinary speech made by an extraordinary speech made by a home secretary, one of the most ones i can most extraordinary ones i can remember covering remember in 20 years covering politics minster politics here in west minster has hares has really set the hares running. It was signed running. I mean, it was signed off number downing street. Off by number 10 downing street. I a sense, suella i think in a sense, Suella Braverman was giving some cover for the Prime Minister, who is trying political. And trying to be more political. And well at next well see more of that at next weeks Party Conference. Weeks tory Party Conference. But well hear more, more voices , notably from priti patel, of course , who a predecessor of course, who was a predecessor of Suella Braverman. And earlier today westminster , in our today in westminster, in our studios i sat down to ask studios here, i sat down to ask her about this, and heres what she had to say. Pulled out of she had to say. Pulled out of the European Convention on human rights. So i think its right that we have this active live discussion and i voted in parliament basically to do that. There was a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and i dont think government can take options off the table. I really dont. And ive always thought that of course itll with endless course itll come with endless challenges difficulties and challenges and difficulties and by difficulties that by the way, difficulties that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. Lets speak about this from an immigration perspective. Right now, you know, we can do much more. Theres no doubt about through derogations about that. Through derogations of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to the work in the last to do the work in the last government this. So clearly government on this. So clearly there you know, its right there is you know, its right that at of this. But that we look at all of this. But what would say, having these what i would say, having these conversations, of conversations, this side of a general election when we could be 8 months from be 6 to 8 months away from a general election in again, thats not going to lead to delivery. We to going go . Delivery. Are we to going go . The question and im sure the question is, and im sure the public will be interested in this, the next this, will we go to the next general again with general election again with a manifesto or leaving manifesto for reform or leaving the echr which the conservatives have you know, 2010, was have done . You know, 2010, i was i there. I to i see it there. I came to parliament. Its done parliament. Its been done before. And the question is, before. And so the question is, are they going to do it again . Will should priti patel are they going to do it again . Will shnim priti patel are they going to do it again . Will shnim absolutely patel are they going to do it again . Will shnim absolutely pro. El are they going to do it again . Will shnim absolutely pro. L are they going to do it again . Will shnim absolutely pro. The im pro im absolutely pro. The changes need to see to changes that we need to see to protect our country and to protect our country and to protect the rights of britain and british citizens and its right that we do this in a proper way, rather than over promising and then saying, you know, post a general election as its happened before, its too difficult. Can you see a point in maybe at the end of the decade when the uk is not in the echr . Well i would its part of, you i would say its part of, you know, reforms and changes know, the reforms and changes britain post brexit. Britain post brexit. About that the crucial thing about that is, we said would is, is that we said we would reclaim sovereignty , it would be reclaim sovereignty, it would be in of laws. I in control of our laws. I believe that totally. I believe that. Its right that we that. And its right that we do that. And its right that we do that. Priti patel there talking to us here in our westminster studios. And thats the kind of language patrick, youll be heanng language patrick, youll be hearing through the next the next five days at the tory Party Conference. So people like priti patel to say, come on, we patel trying to say, come on, we need take some action need to take some action here. Im full withdrawal is im not sure full withdrawal is on table. Patrick, as you on the table. Patrick, as you rightly , for example, old rightly say, for example, old people homes on people in care homes rely on human rights legislation to ensure treated with ensure theyre treated with dignity in old age. So you dont want throw the baby out with want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But i think the idea echr rules idea of making these echr rules work for who live work better for people who live in is something which is in the uk is something which is a issue right now in the a live issue right now in the tory a live issue right now in the tonyeah, exactly. And i opened a live issue right now in the tor byah, exactly. And i opened a live issue right now in the tor by sayingctly. And i opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying theresd i opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying theres an opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying theres an almighty up by saying theres an almighty row over this and it has divided the arguably the conservative party, arguably a brexit, and a little bit like brexit, and there dissenting there are some dissenting voices when comes to any proposition when it comes to any proposition that should leave the that we should leave the echr what the of arguments what are the kind of arguments for staying then . I think you made there about the elderly made one there about the elderly in. In care homes. Well, theres that. Theres also issues of whenever you go on the world stage with the Prime Minister, those of us lucky enough to go with him, hell try and press human hell often try and press human rights foreign rights issues in foreign countries, china, countries, notably in china, with the uyghurs in other places. Raised the issue places. He raised the issue of an individual the g20 an individual on the recent g20 visit that went with him to visit that i went with him to delhi. Theres also an issue there with the Northern Ireland peace sokovia bearing on Peace Process sokovia bearing on that. As Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink as Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink how as Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink how we as Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look as Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look on as Peace Process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look on an as i think how we look on an international stage. If international stage. Patrick, if we the echr, we were to pull out of the echr, its hard for us then to its quite hard for us then to lecture other countries about their behaviour internationally and within the within the uk. The human rights act that came in 1998 enshrined much of the echr in law, and thats where the whole problem has come about the whole problem has come about the rights and whose the issue of rights and whose rights matter more than the other but think those other others. But i think those there rights the there are some rights within the uk want, uk which we wouldnt want, wouldnt by pulling wouldnt want to lose by pulling out is complicated , but out the echr is complicated, but the think the laws got the point i think the laws got to be seen to work for britains not britains. Thats not against britains. Thats the. The point. Yeah, exactly. And look, i was a little look before was having a little look before i came on air, of course, with the of the echr and the composition of the echr and the composition of the echr and the manner which makes the manner in which it makes some its decisions. And i do some of its decisions. And i do think vast majority of think that the vast majority of brits my view. You brits this would be my view. You know, with me. Know, people disagree with me. Get know. But get in touch, let me know. But wouldnt necessarily be that comfortable with the idea of someone say, moldova someone from, say, moldova or liechtenstein or monaco or arguably any other country. But im just rattling off a few of the ones there that may be are youre kind of more minnow nations, were, making nations, as it were, making decisions who can and decisions about who we can and cant our country. And cant keep in our country. And it in with suella it chimes in with what Suella Braverman saying braverman was saying just a couple ago, which is, couple of days ago, which is, look, got the illegal look, weve got the illegal migration bill weve got a rwanda play these. If rwanda plan here. Play these. If the International Community can have a look at changing the definition of a refugee so that we know , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or know , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refusen , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refuse to deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refuse to accept more people or refuse to accept more people, i suppose would be the better it. If the better way of putting it. If the International Community, which it done, it appears to have done, has said, want to said, no, we dont want to listen that, then arguably, listen to that, then arguably, arguably a way of us making sure we do have sovereignty over our borders to be get out the borders would to be get out the echr and get some planes taken off the ground. I mean, if we were out the echr, we were out at the echr, we probably flights probably would have flights taking rwanda, wouldnt we . Well, well find out soon enough. When the Supreme Court reports back in november, of course, starts course, that court case starts in 7th. And well in october the 7th. And well see how ends up in november see how that ends up in november. I mean, yeah, youre right. I mean , we see flights mean, we could see those flights taking off the flights, which which Suella Braverman the home secretary about. I which Suella Braverman the home secretary about. I mean, secretary dreams about. I mean, the idea of rwanda was was actually priti patels idea. She was the first one announce actually priti patels idea. She wa ande first one announce actually priti patels idea. She waand itirst one announce actually priti patels idea. She waand it wasme announce actually priti patels idea. She wa and it was being announce actually priti patels idea. She wa and it was being driven, ce it. And it was being driven, pushed across all of government. So they are that is the point. So they are that is the point. They feel can its they feel they can its important , they feel they can its important, i think, to reform, make these laws work. You go back to those other back there to those other countries, point this countries, the point about this is dont really know the is we dont really know the strasbourg court, the echr court, which enforced it, is quite remote, isnt seen. The point is to try and bring it back shore, suppose in a back on shore, i suppose in a way that brexit brought back control nearer power nearer to the is maybe the people. The idea is maybe the people. The idea is maybe the that justice is the way that justice is administered people administered to for People Living here should brought living here should be brought nearer. Thats the nearer to the uk. Thats the point. Yeah. Thank you look, christopher, thank you very, much. Christopher very, very much. Christopher hope news political hope there. Gb news Political Editor from our studios in westminster. Im just going to go to the inbox a little bit here now. Gb views on gbnews. Com. Very gbnews. Com. Thank you very much. For whos really for everybody whos been really kicking about the kicking off actually about the echr johns been on. He says your monologue was on the money. Thank you very john. Thank you very much, john. He says remembering that says its worth remembering that a a very a certain person spent a very long time trying to get people smugglers. Et cetera. Basically hes making the point that the people smugglers essentially could be aided and abetted by us being the echr. Therefore, being in the echr. Therefore, their Business Model cant be broken we cant deport broken if we cant deport people. I understand point people. I understand the point that john. That youre making there, john. Yes, for her yes, well done, suella for her speech, catherine. She says speech, says catherine. She says that she has loads support that she has loads of support out there that basic plea out there and that basic plea that we should be getting out of the echr for why should people dictate to us about human rights . Says sean. About rights . Says sean. What about our human rights . Arent we entitled our borders entitled to protect our borders , to preserve our culture . The sooner we the echr , the sooner we leave the echr, the better that seans view and its about our government. Its better that seans view and its about our government. Its about time our government stood up and did things for us and stopped pandenng did things for us and stopped pandering to other people. Thats from merv and for me, thats kind of where where it solves here, which is about this idea of how it would look on the world stage. Now, i get, you know, International Diplomacy and we dont be and we dont want to be international pariahs, but at what . Okay. At what what expense . Okay. At what expense do we start trying to pander people on the world pander to people on the world stage opposed to maybe stage as opposed to maybe protecting our own interests . We saw net zero, saw it a lot with net zero, didnt thankfully didnt we . And thankfully weve had a slow down had a little bit of a slow down when to net zero. Was when it comes to net zero. Was a lot of not grand standing lot of that not grand standing to want be world to say we want to be world leading when comes to leading when it comes to fighting change. But fighting Climate Change. But meanwhile, how are ordinary british taxpayers to british taxpayers going to pay for something for it . Is it something similar with echr well . If were with the echr as well . If were deliberately controlling our deliberately not controlling our borders so that we can stand up to other countries who, in my view, dont really care . Countries like china russia countries like china or russia and look how great human and say, look how great human rights britain, then is rights are in britain, then is that a price worth paying . Im not is, and i think not sure it is, and i think thats point that few of thats the point that a few of you are in the inbox. You are making in the inbox. Vaiews gbnews. Com whether vaiews gbnews. Com about whether or time for to get or not it is time for us to get out of echr. But we heard out of the echr. But we heard dame patel earlier on Dame Priti Patel earlier on there calling for us to leave there calling for us to leave the you hear lots the echr and you can hear lots more from the former home secretary on the Breakfast Show tomorrow morning. So make sure that tune in from that. Now, that you tune in from that. Now, ill also have much more on this story a little bit later on in the show. Well be having a big debate actually. So keep debate on it, actually. So keep those but at those views coming in. But at 4 00, will a debate, like 4 00, i will host a debate, like i on whether we i was saying, on whether we should the you should be out of the echr. You can get loads more on story can get loads more on that story right website. Right now on our website. Gb news. Com right now on our website. Gbnews. Com which is the fastest gb news. Com which is the Fastest Growing National News site in the the best the country. All the best analysis, big opinion analysis, all the big opinion and latest and of course, the latest breaking but get this sir breaking news. But get this sir keir starmer has performed another u turn. Labour has backed down on its pledge to strip private schools of their charitable status. What do you charitable status. What do you make of this . For me, its a Bigger Picture. Its not really about the private schools. Its about the private schools. Its a Bigger Picture about labour u turn , which were going to u turn, which were going to delve hannood delve into with tom hannood shortly, whether not they can shortly, whether or not they can be things. They be trusted on things. Do they say they really mean say what they really mean initially, like potentially with the potentially with the eu . Like potentially with asylum quotas, like Asylum Seeker quotas, like potentially with votes for 16 year and then row back on year olds and then row back on it a little bit later on when they realise that maybe thats not as popular and this is anecdotal, the first anecdotal, but for the first time while, your time in a while, i want your views again. For the views on this again. For the first a people first time in a while, people are coming me and saying are coming up to me and saying to how you think to me actually how do you think the next general election is really going to go . Because it was of months ago was only a couple of months ago that was talking about that everyone was talking about a is the tide a labour landslide. Is the tide turning christys turning Patrick Christys gb news, channel show sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. Welcome back. Wonderful people. It is 323 while watching or listening to me Patrick Christys on gb news now in a few moments i will discuss the extraordinary news that less than half of trainee gps end up taking full time jobs with the nhs. Now is that okay . Im having a little look into this, right, because do they get Student Loans to train here and then swan off to a different country . Do they have to repay their Student Loans . Is that right, do you is that right, do you think . Is that okay . Free okay . Is that like a Free Education the education really at the taxpayers expense . And then they can and coin in can go off and coin it in in places australia with places like australia with arguably different arguably a better Different Health . But before Health Care System . But before that, you can usually tell when theres going to be a labour u turn because theres a d in the day. Yes. And today, sir keir starmer has changed his policy on private schools. A Labour Government would not strip them of their charitable status. Well in 2021, shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said private schools are not charities, and that changing the law would raise £1. 7 billion a yean law would raise £1. 7 billion a year. It is also interesting because when i do talk to a lot of labour mps and i say to them how are you going to pay for x, y and z . How are you going to pay for x, y and 2 . One of the things that they quite often say to me is, is that £1. 7 billion is going to go somewhere. So going go somewhere. So theyre going to find that somewhere go somewhere. So theyre going to now, find that somewhere go somewhere. So theyre going to now, byd that somewhere go somewhere. So theyre going to now, by the at somewhere go somewhere. So theyre going to now, by the looks1ewhere else. Now, by the looks of things. But im joined by our deputy Political Editor, tom hannood. Very hannood. Tom thank you very much. This much. Lets deal with this u turn so u turn first, shall we . So whats on . Whats gone on . Well, its a little bit more complicated than a straight u turn. They havent rowed back every element of the policy, but they do seem to be clinging on to two particular bits of it. No longer will the labour party be stripping all Independent Schools of their. Charitable schools of their. Charitable status, but they will be doing part part of that by charging a vat on school fees. So thats 20 more expense lviv for school fees for parents who choose to send their children to these Independent Schools. Theyre also charge business also likely to charge Business Rates in full for school property, which of course Charities Get an exemption from. So charitable status to remain, that means gift outs to those Independent School , perhaps Independent School, perhaps people leaving money to those Independent Schools that would still receive gift aid that would be an element of Charity Tax Relief that these schools could keep. Similarly expectations of charitable work by these schools. And perhaps this is the nub of it that many of these schools offer programmes helping out local state schools and similar with with programmes of outreach. The labour party would want to retain that, but they would also, on the other hand , be be also, on the other hand, be be charging vat crucially on those school fees. So its a bit of a having their cake and eating it policy. A half roback, a half u turn. U turn. Okay, a half u turn then. And tom, what . Do you mind . Youre a youre a political animal, tom. You know everything there is to know about politics, right . So what kind u turns have we what kind of u turns have we have . We had at the minute . What kind we kind of discrepancies have we had the moment from the had at the moment from the labour party . Because know, labour party . Because you know, keir getting little keir starmer is getting a little bit amongst bit of a reputation amongst certain quarters for rowing back on like thats certainly on stuff like thats certainly the case. Its undoubtable that when sir keir starmer stood to be the leader of the labour party in 2020, he was offering a very, very different prospectus from the policy prospectus he offers the policy prospectus he offers the country now. Back then he was talking about abolishing tuition fees. Thats gone. Thats been scrapped. Back then thats been scrapped. Back then he was talking about nationalising rail and mail and water thats been scrapped. Back water thats been scrapped. Back then he was talking about retaining and fighting for Free Movement with the European Union. That has been gone, that has been scrapped as a labour party policy. In fact, there were ten pledges upon which keir starmer stood to become labour leader almost to a single pledge. Almost every single one of them has in one form or other, been stepped back from, and thats created a lot of disharmony within the labour party. There are those on the left of the labour party who feel a certain sense of betrayed ppl by sir keir starmer because they voted him in earnestly believing he would continue that Jeremy Corbyn project. Of course he called Jeremy Corbyn a friend of his. He said he wanted to keep the best things about the corbyn years of the labour party and ever since hes been in the role, been rowing back from role, hes been rowing back from that. Presents a that. But that presents a Political Risk. At the moment. Its left of his party that its the left of his party that feels theyve been feels like theyve been betrayed, feels like betrayed, that feels like theyve done over by sir theyve been done over by sir keir starmer because of his shift away the left wing shift away from the left wing policy proposals. But it does create Political Risk because if hes moved that way to get into power, what way might he move . Some people may ask once hes in power, might he go back to form, back to those 2020 policies as he would say . No. But i suppose its up to individuals to make their own minds up as to whether they can trust him on the positions on which he now stands. Yeah, this is exactly it, right . This is exactly it. Which is that. By way , i mean that. And by the way, i mean keir by no means will be keir starmer by no means will be the only politician to ever do this all, which would be to this at all, which would be to say load stuff get say a load of stuff to get elected and then do Something Different youre in power. Different when youre in power. Theres about that. Theres nothing new about that. And of the game and thats the name of the game in a way. Unfortunately depressingly, the british public, name depressingly, the british puthe, name depressingly, the british puthe game, name depressingly, the british puthe game, right . Name depressingly, the british puthe game, right . Is name depressingly, the british puthe game, right . Is there of the game, right . So is there anidea of the game, right . So is there an idea now, especially with what weve with him going what weve seen with him going and meeting macron, is the labour forced to labour party have been forced to deny was some kind of deny that there was some kind of secret there a labour secret deal there after a labour mp on very and mp came on this very show and appeared there appeared to indicate that there was votes for 16 year olds. Im just calling it votes for kids. Essentially talks of some kind of quota, whether or not of asylum quota, whether or not wed wed be up for that is wed be wed be up for that is there genuine concern , do there some genuine concern, do you think, keir starmer has you think, that keir starmer has got a habit of opening his mouth now, that certain now, realising that certain things actually wants things that he actually wants to do unpopular, do are quite unpopular, promising wont do them, promising that he wont do them, but risk of him actually but that risk of him actually doing them he in power, doing them when he is in power, if he is in power. Patrick it was only a couple of days ago when we spoke about the strategic ambiguity of the liberal Democrat Party in their policy towards europe, trying not talk in not to talk about it in specifics because of the kind of voters theyre now going after. Voters theyre now going after. Also, it wasnt that long ago we spoke rishi sunak wiping spoke about rishi sunak wiping the slate clean. Was the slate clean. That was the phrase spokesman used after phrase his spokesman used after becoming minister he felt becoming Prime Minister he felt that those pledges he stood on to become Prime Minister back in the summer of last year, whether it was, of course, one of the key ones there was shredding all of eu law. Thats a big of that. Eu law. Thats a big u turn that the Prime Minister, that rishi has made, that rishi sunak has made, although it does seem he may now be some the other be reviving some of the other pledges he made when standing to become Prime Minister, notably potentially for missed potentially charging for missed gp appointments. Thats something that might be popular with certain sections of the right electorate in this country. But yes , certainly i country. But yes, certainly i think its fair to say that keir starmer has done a bit more of this public u turn thing than some of those other politicians. But but of course they are all up to it. Oh, theyre all at it, arent they . Tom, thank you very much. Tom hannood there. Our deputy Political Editor in westminster for chance to for us. Just a quick chance to delve into the terrifying delve back into the terrifying world inbox, world of my inbox, gbviews gbnews. Com. One more from alan cumbria, from alan here in cumbria, a lovely the world there. Lovely part of the world there. Alan old haunts, alan used to be my old haunts, but says we should the but he says we should leave the echr possible. Why echr as soon as possible. Why would affect things like old would it affect things like old people care homes, for people in care homes, for example . Couldnt just example . Why couldnt we just keep part of our keep those laws as part of our own laws . And alan, thats a own uk laws . And alan, thats a point i agree point that i agree with completely. Why we have to completely. Why would we have to simply virtue of being out of simply by virtue of being out of the suddenly into the echr suddenly turn into a tyrannical that tyrannical state that disenfranchised some of most disenfranchised some of the most Vulnerable People society . I Vulnerable People in society . I dont have do that. Dont think we have to do that. Of that of course people would say that maybe it easier for us maybe it makes it easier for us to and could open the to do that and it could open the door tyranny down the road. Door for tyranny down the road. But appears to be a lot of but there appears to be a lot of legal balances in the legal checks and balances in the way that, but loads way for that, but loads more still to come between now and 4 00, going to have a look 4 00, im going to have a look at alarming report at this very alarming report that highlights just how many gps are going abroad. And i want ask whether were want to ask whether or not were basically training up staff for other services other countrys Health Services. Again, to be fair,. Again, i mean, to be fair, weve been pinching worlds weve been pinching the Worlds Health , havent we, for Health Services, havent we, for a very long but its not a very long time. But its not nice its happening to nice when its happening to us and im taking a stand against it. But its the latest it. But first, its the latest headunes it. But first, its the latest headlines with. Lisa headlines with. Lisa its 331. Im lisa hartl in the newsroom. 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An increasing number of doctors and nurses are moving to countries like australia who offer better pay and working conditions. Probably Better Weather as well than our nhs. I just wonder whether or not this is okay. Is it . I mean, can we stop them . I dont know if we can really force people to stay in the country, although its partly a joke in there somewhere. But im joined now by bhasha mukherjee, who is a junior very Junior Doctor. Thank you very much great to much for joining me. Great to have show. So look, have you on the show. So look, educate me on this then. So as it currently stands, you could train man to be a doctor in this country, get a student loan. Could you, to do that . And then leave as soon as you qualify. Just talk me through it. Yes , of course. Yes, of course. Yes, of course. There are lots of colleagues have done that. Well , the preliminary well, the preliminary training here in the uk and its up to them. They can usually stay to do the f1 and f2 , which stay to do the f1 and f2, which is the Foundation Years training. And at any point in this stage of their training, they are welcome to go abroad and, you know, try their luck abroad, especially foundation especially after the foundation in to when theyre basic a qualified doctor and they can go and do the role of a doctor out in any country. So yes, a lot of people i know have done the same. So if you do that, then do you have to pay back your student loan . Student loan . Um , in the country , then you um, in the country, then you wont be charged your student loan fees from your , um, loan fees from your, um, earnings because essentially youre not, you know, youre not paying youre not, you know, youre not paying tax or anything like that. So its only when youre earning in this country , from my earning in this country, from my understanding, that you have to pay understanding, that you have to pay your Student Loans , i think pay your Student Loans, i think thats fair. Then do you think thats all right for the british taxpayer to pay peoples medical to pay for peoples medical education and then not have any of the benefit of that or receive any of that money back . Receive any of that money back . I think the question really is why the doctors and nurses are leaving and why theyre opting not to work in the nhs, in the uk. Um, absolutely. I think the um, absolutely. I think the tax payers, including myself, we, we expect that whats done with our money is going in a good place. But actually where the budget is being spent is very questionable really. And you know, i was here in gb news last week talking about the Junior Doctors strike. And as to, you know, why um, and as to, you know, why were striking essentially the nhs , why are there such long nhs, why are there such long waiting lists . Waiting lists . Why yeah. But with respect, is that not, is it not all a little bit wrapped up because, you know, the public are paying for people to get an education, to doctor to be trained as a doctor and then those people are leaving and the nhs is short staffed and the british taxpayer is massively out of pocket. Massively out of pocket. Well, its interesting because , um, if were training because, um, if were training the doctors and not creating an environment where they can, uh, you know, make that, make it worthwhile for them to stay in this country , to work in this this country, to work in this country, to actually have a good life overall. Life overall. So, um, with, with balance , so, um, with, with balance, of course, with a balance of having enough to pay your bills and enough to enough time in your hand and not be completely burnt out, i think thats where Junior Doctors, a lot of doctors and nurses in the medical field, they feel that theyre at a disservice because they are giving it their all whilst theyre working nhs and theyre working in the nhs and theyre working in the nhs and theyre really getting the theyre not really getting the returns. Primarily returns. And thats primarily the reason why theyre striking or sadly, thousands of them are also leaving the country and going abroad because their prospects are better elsewhere. It might seem see why it might seem a little unusual to the little bit unusual to the british britain is british taxpayer that britain is clearly enough to clearly a good enough place to grow to live and we have grow up and to live and we have a Health Service thats good enough to keep you alive up until point where you until the point where you can get and get a great education ion. And then that education by then further, that education by having tax payer funded having a tax payer funded medical education within our Health Service and so thats all. All right for people over here. But then once theyve done all that, they leave and say how bad we are over here. Can you see how that might not go down that well with the british taxpayer . Think all the taxpayer . Do you think all the british taxpayers really paying for education . British taxpayers really paying for because ation . British taxpayers really paying for because ultimately only the because ultimately only the people staying and who people who are staying and who are this country, we are working in this country, we are working in this country, we are having to live with are still having to live with the debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year. The debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year. And, you the debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year. And, you know, for plus a year. And, you know, for us, some of us is six, seven years in in university. So were years in in university. So were still having to pay it ourselves. Its only those people who are leaving. And why are those people leaving . Theyre leaving because they they cant make a living out here. They cant. Theyre their jobs. The job life here is not good enough , especially in the good enough, especially in the nhs. So thats the reason why theyre leaving. And you know, sadly, thats what were trying to with things like the to prevent with things like the strikes, with trying to do the pay strikes, with trying to do the pay restoration. So at least it compensates those people and allows people retention of staff. So for a bit of context then for our viewers and our listeners, what is the salary now . Because i mean, i suppose taxpayers arent paying that as well. So what is the salary now and what would it be with pay restoration . Restoration . So were asking for the restoration of, you know, weve had 26 regression over the last ten years. Now it looks different for each taxpayer, which with each doctor of each level. But, you know, im not level. But, you know, im not im not a mathematician here. But what were all all were asking for is a pay restoration. If we compare that from ten years ago, what doctors were being paid in comparison to inflation and everything, were being paid less than that. 26 less than that. So in a sense, Junior Doctors, currently youre saying were were valued less now, to be honest with you. But i really do just want to know what what the what some of the figures are now. What the figures are now. So what what salary now and what what the salary is now and what it look like with, what it would look like with, what was it, 26 increase . I think, because, know, it needs because, you know, it needs pubuc because, you know, it needs public support doesnt if public support, doesnt it, if youre say that the youre going to say that the taxpayer fork out a lot taxpayer needs to fork out a lot more money after weve given people student so can people a student loan. So can we make informed decision make an informed decision on that . Numbers . I . I dont think the argument is about the taxpayer paying more. I think the argument where i think the argument is where the is being be the budget is being spent. To be honest. Im saying it is. So what is it . Sorry whats the question . I am i am saying that is thats the certainly the the thats certainly the argument. Having. Right. So argument. Im having. Right. So what what are what so what is it . What are those numbers . Those numbers . It will be or for what from it will be or for somebody else as i said. Yeah. What would your what would your. Okay let me make it easy what would your salary look like if you had a 20, 26 increase . Go on. You got to ask gosh, you got to ask me something. Something. Well, i am because. Because if i was. If was, you know, in if i was. If i was, you know, in need of urgent the need of urgent care at the moment. I know, i know people at the moment waiting the moment who are waiting a heck time the nhs heck of a long time on the nhs for different for a variety of Different Reasons and you know reasons for things and you know , people are to , if those people are going to support action people support strike action or people train over here with a student loan and then and then leaving , loan and then and then leaving, then i think they need a bit of context as to what theyre supporting. No i dont think its a oh, sorry , my lights just its a oh, sorry, my lights just gone. So. Right. Its nhs budget cuts. The lights have gone out, unfortunately. Go. Cuts. The lights have gone out, unforisnately. Go. Cuts. The lights have gone out, unforis aitely. Go. Cuts. The lights have gone out, unforis a real go. Cuts. The lights have gone out, unforis a real world go. Cuts. The lights have gone out, unforis a real world example of that is a real world example of how catastrophic is the nhs. No, come look. Come on. Look come on, look. Come on. Look lets just be honest. Are you going an answer or going to give me an answer or not about what your would not about what your salary would look after 26 increase . Look like after 26 increase . Is its all i can say is that its not about theyre paying more. Its about changing where the budget and thats where budget is spent and thats where my actually my argument is. And actually were spending money on were spending more money on things we shouldnt be. And things that we shouldnt be. And one ive said this one of that ive said this before actually getting before is actually what getting paid per year. Theyre getting paid per year. Theyre getting paid £86,000 a year and theyre getting extra perks, like getting extra perks, like getting their living costs accommodated for staff. Theyre working costs, theyre travel, all these perks that are being given to, again, a public servant. So why the discrepancy between what another Public Servants say the mps are getting versus doctors we spend over almost £1 billion on on the on the royal coronation for example. So all these things are where the money. But if youre arguing look, if your argument was really that easy to make right then you would and you thought it would be popular, you would tell be popular, then you would tell me salary would look me what your salary would look like with 26 increase. But like with a 26 increase. But youre not youre not going to do you know, for people if and, you know, for people if they to look at that, they want to look at that, havent the figures right havent got the figures right in front now for you. Front of me right now for you. But in terms of look that up, is anybody can google that the British Medical Association and see what that increment will look like in real figures in an hourly rate. Were talking about hourly rate. Were talking about Junior Doctors. Junior doctors. Were not going anywhere here. All right. All right. Thank you very much, basha mukherjee, whos a Junior Doctor. Thank mukherjee, whos a Junior Doctor. Thank you very, very much. Cheers for for that. Cheers for cheers for that. Right. Well be having right. Okay. Well be having another discussion about that a bit the show. But bit later on in the show. But there we go. And alien arade dam has been named as the victim of yesterdays knife attack in croydon. Thats according to the metropolitan police. Now, metropolitan police. Now, a teenage boy remains in custody and is being questioned by Police Detectives after the fatal stabbing of a 15 Year Old Girl with supposedly a foot long knife. Dozens of flowers have knife. Dozens of flowers have been left at the scene of the attack, which happened half attack, which happened at half past morning. We past eight yesterday morning. We can cross over quickly now to our reporter charlie peters, whos croydon for us. Whos in croydon for us. Charlie, whats the latest, please . Please . Hi there, patrick. Yes, over here in croydon on the wellesley road, where in the last hour, the police have confirmed that 15 year old leon arade dam was actually attacked, not on the bus behind me where the altercation started, but about ten metres up the road at the bus stop nearby, where they described devastating scene , described a devastating scene, local and witnesses at local sources and witnesses at the area said that the blood was flowing like a fountain and it was an extremely traumatic incident. The attacker fled from the scene and the bus driver and a woman attempted cpr on the young victim who sadly died upon arrival at hospital within the houn arrival at hospital within the hour. Now, in a statement also released in the last hour , ltns released in the last hour, ltns family said our hearts are broken by her senseless death. A lion was the light of our lives. She was bright and funny and with many friends who all adored her. She was only 15 and had her whole life ahead of her with hopes and dreams for the future. All of those dreams have now been shattered. Our lives have fallen apart along with that of our wider family. And that sense of loss and devastation very keenly felt here in croydon. Keenly felt here in croydon. Also speaking to locals this morning and early this afternoon, they said that they were also concerned about how safe they felt in south london. Not really, to be honest with you, i do not feel really safe, especially with my parents telling that watch telling me that i should watch my day. My back every day. Have go to college. I do i have to go to college. I do not really safe. And i feel not really feel safe. And i feel like, know, sometimes i do like, you know, sometimes i do not want to go study not even want to go study anymore because, you the anymore because, you know, the amount of crimes happening amount of crimes are happening around is not that really around here is not that really safe. So, no, i do not feel safe around here is not that really saall. Io, no, i do not feel safe at all. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Ive never felt safe in croydon. I probably see an incident happening every day. I come out. Come out. Whats also being said this afternoon by many locals in croydon is concern about the knife and the weapon that was supposedly used. Apparently 30cm long, very concerning reports here from croydon now. Indeed. Charlie, thank you very much. Charlie peters there from croydon for us, the scene of that devastating incident. Now a Welsh Government minister has survived a vote of no confidence as anger about the countrys controversial 12 mile an hour speed limit shows no signs of going away. Yes, i mean, remarkable chaos in wales based around a speed limit, but ill be filling you in on it all. Patrick christys. Gb news, britains news. Channel welcome back its just coming up to 10 to 4. Youre watching or listening to me Patrick Christys on gb news now at four as the fallout from Suella Bravermans major speech on migration im going migration continues. Im going to have a big debate whether or not leave the echr not we should leave the echr some will say that makes some people will say that makes like belarus. Say thats an like belarus. I say thats an absolute of rubbish. But absolute load of rubbish. But the mile the minister behind the 20 mile an limit across wales an hour speed limit across wales has of no has faced a vote of no confidence. But is the war on motorists end . Motorists ever going to end . Deputy Climate Change minister lee waters easily survived the vote, but promised to listen to the angry drivers who had almost cost him his job. The speed limit is disrupting public transport with bus services across rural wales delayed some routes, even being forced to change to try and stay on time. Joining me now for more on this is dan campsall. Now hes the chairman of agilisys , which is chairman of agilisys, which is actually quite hard to say who analyse road unsafety data. Thank you very much. Dan great to have you on the show. And to have you on the show. And right. Okay. So good to be with you. Patrick. Patrick. This 20 mile an hour speed limit appears to have caused rather a lot of chaos. I mean, do you back it . Is it a good thing . Does it work . Is there any point . Any point . Yeah. Look, i think theres a significant point introducing significant point to introducing these limits. The these lower limits. The fundamental issue at stake here is that when vehicles hit soft tissue, pedestrians, human beings like you or i, we dont come off very well. And when you switch from 20 miles an hour to 30 miles an hour, the risk of severe injury increases fivefold. So actually , we do fivefold. So actually, we do need lower speeds in our urban areas because they protect pedestrians. Our kids, our vulnerable, older adults, and they create a much better and healthier environment which enables us to do more walking, more cycling, to be more active in our local community and to reduce the amount of severance there is in our community. What kind of what what kind of. Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but how many how many lives how many how many how many lives a year do you reckon this will save then, if we switch to 20 in urban areas. Well know that when well so we know that when weve at studies right weve looked at studies right across the whole europe where across the whole of europe where 20 an hour have been 20 miles an hour have been introduced an hour introduced in 30 mile an hour areas, weve seen a decrease of 26 of fatalities and serious injuries. So actually, the evidence is there that it does make roads safer and produces a whole range of other more beneficial outcomes for the local communities. And when the people communities. And when the people of wales were asked whether they would like a 20 mile per hour speed limit where they live , 80 speed limit where they live, 80 of the population said, yeah, actually i would like so actually i would like that. So its also not as unpopular as perhaps its made out to be. No, i get that. I mean, i think its probably unpopular for drivers in a rush. Right. And then i do i do think the cynic would say that you cynic in me would say that you could slap a load of 20 mile an hour speed cameras around the area catch out some area and probably catch out some people doing miles hour. People doing 22 miles an hour. And might be a decent way of and it might be a decent way of raising money. You raising a bit of money. Do you think whiff of that . Think theres a whiff of that . So as somebody in my so as somebody who in my history , i have to confess, history, i have to confess, i used to actually be involved in running speed cameras. The running some speed cameras. The criteria for putting off. I know, right . Get him off the criteria for those putting those in place actually tends to be pretty stringent. And i havent met a Senior Police officer around the country whos interested in doing it simply just to raise some revenue. So theres a whole conversation to be had between highway authorities and the police about where you enforcement is appropriate. But in the vast majority of cases and the early evidence coming out from wales is that people are actually reducing their speed voluntarily without the need for enforcement. So we took an analysis after just one week of the new limits being in place, we analysed 500km of the road network that had been reduced to 20 miles an hour and we found that already there was a three mile per hour reduction in speeds because people are actually choosing to stick to those new lower limits. Do you drive down . Those new lower limits. Do you drierahvn . Those new lower limits. Do you dri\yeah ,1 . Those new lower limits. Do you dri\yeah , of course i do. Yeah, of course i do. Yeah, of course i do. Yeah. And in fact, the local town where i live in oxfordshire has recently implemented a whole load of 20 mile an hour limits. And have to confess, one of and i have to confess, one of those 15 minute cities places. , is oxfordshire . No, is it, is it oxfordshire . No, its not. So im from near the town of witney in west oxfordshire and oxfordshire has been implementing 20 mile an hour limits across much of their network for quite some time. And do you know what . As as a driver . Yeah, i have to concentrate that bit more and i have to make sure that i reduce my speed. But as somebody whos whos kids, right . Their bikes to school or walk to see friends or you know, use the local skate park. Im actually quite glad of a lower limit because actually it gives me much more confidence that they can make those journeys in safer. I think theres a i think theres an argument that im assuming youve bit assuming maybe youve done a bit of research on this, which is the would of research on this, which is the looking, would of research on this, which is the looking, not would of research on this, which is the looking, not looking uld of research on this, which is the looking, not looking ati spend looking, not looking at the road. If youre concentrating on on an concentrating on on 20 mile an hounis concentrating on on 20 mile an hour, is that concern . Hour, is that a concern . Know, you what . You know, do you know what . Thats issues thats one of those issues thats been raised a number of times and from times over the years. And from any of the Academic Studies that ive no evidence any of the Academic Studies that ive actually no evidence any of the Academic Studies that ive actually people evidence any of the Academic Studies that ive actually people find ence that actually people find a distracting effect of the changes to the speed limit. In changes to the speed limit. In fact, i was with some colleagues in sweden where theyve done a whole load of speed limit changes and i was quizzing them about their evidence on that. And the case. And it just isnt the case. All right, dan, were going to have to were to have to have to were going to have to have to were going to have to about a phrase. To talk about a phrase. Park it there. Afraid. Good man, there. Im afraid. My good man, dan, cancel there. Thank you very much. The chairman of agilisys. Go. Road agilisys. There we go. Road safety data okay. Safety data now. Okay. The government the government tries to solve the migrant crisis, but actually, is it go nuclear and it time to just go nuclear and leave echr big debate when i leave the echr big debate when i return. Patrick christys gb news britains channel britains news channel good afternoon , im alex good afternoon, im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Were going to turn quite wet overnight. Some of rain likely to be some of that rain likely to be heavy places least for heavy in places and at least for a while itll get pretty mystery to thanks pressure to all, thanks to low pressure storm agnes cleared away to storm agnes has cleared away to the couple the north, but theres a couple more from the west. More heading in from the west. Not quite as potent, but still going to bring us a wet and windy for parts of windy spell to give for parts of south we do have south wales where we do have a met office. Yellow warning in place heavy rain, but place for the heavy rain, but most will see spell most areas will see a spell of wet weather through the night. Parts and parts of the midlands and Eastern England seeing some Eastern England also seeing some fairly downpours fairly intense downpours clearing away for many through fairly intense downpours clearing ihoui� sni� many through fairly intense downpours clearing ihoui� s. Welliy through fairly intense downpours clearing ihoui� s. Well keep ugh the early hours. Well keep showers going northwest showers going across northwest scotland temperatures mostly scotland and temperatures mostly holding double digits onto holding up in double digits onto friday. And for the most part, its a fine day. Early doors, some cloud and rain across east anglia and southeast, but anglia and the southeast, but that gone around or that should be gone around or soon rush hour. Then lots soon after. Rush hour. Then lots of showers packing into western scotland. Theyll keep going through day. 1 or 2 through the day. 1 or 2 scattered elsewhere, but scattered showers elsewhere, but many places dry bright, a many places dry and bright, a bit sunshine, than many places dry and bright, a bit forsunshine, than many places dry and bright, a bit for partsine, than many places dry and bright, a bit for parts of, than many places dry and bright, a bit for parts of east than many places dry and bright, a bit for parts of east waleshan many places dry and bright, a bit for parts of east wales ,an today for parts of east wales, southern and Eastern England. A southern and Eastern England. A bit of a breeze, but still feeling quite pleasant the feeling quite pleasant in the sunshine. 21 across the south east elsewhere, mostly in the high teens, feeling pretty fresh with that wind fresh with that gusty wind across the far north. Thatll be lighter although lighter on saturday, although still some showers across shetland. Many places start fine shetland. Many places start fine and the east will stay that way on saturday. But look at this, more wet and windy weather coming into Western Areas through temperatures through the day. Temperatures again the south east over 20 again in the south east over 20 degrees. Feeling again in the south east over 20 degree as feeling again in the south east over 20 degree as more feeling again in the south east over 20 degree as more rain feeling again in the south east over 20 degree as more rain andfeeling again in the south east over 20 degreeas more rain and windg cooler as more rain and wind arrive late. Late. Its 4 pm. Its Patrick Christies is gb news big debate incoming on whether or not we should pull out of the echr would it make us like belarus or would it make us like belarus or would it make us like belarus or would it give us proper control of our borders . And yes , the of our borders . And yes, the other side of the political spectrum, another labour u turn of sorts this time, of course, when it comes to education, were having a little look at some of the other previous labour well labour unions just asking, well , say one to , keir starmer, say one thing to get power then do get into power and then do another ever actually gets another if he ever actually gets there. Now this has got a lot of there. Now this has got a lot of you in the inbox after my you going in the inbox after my latest interview a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing ew a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to me5p who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to me5p wimuch was refusing to tell me how much they paid or what their they were paid or what their desired rise would actually desired pay rise would actually put but anyway, should put them on. But anyway, should we stay . If you train we make gps stay . If you train here . Oh, okay. So you get a student loan, the taxpayer in a way pays your education. Way pays for your education. Should he then allowed should he then be allowed to swan abroad in immediately swan off abroad in immediately and not pay that student loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay that student loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithinkudent loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithink thatsloan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithink thats okay . Back . Do you think thats okay . And yes , were having and finally, yes, were having a little at harry and little look at harry and meghans latest pr gaffe. Busy hour coming your way, Patrick Christies. Gb news. Yeah, get christies. Gb news. Yeah, get the emails coming in as you always do. Gb views or gbnews. Com. I want to know from you, were leading in the hour with a big debate on the echr. 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Well of course we start with the latest on the governments attempts to tackle well, the migrant crisis arguably in National Illegal immigration as well. To be honest. But its reported that Suella Braverman has authorised float the has been authorised to float the prospect of leaving the European Convention on human rights is ramping up a bit now, isnt it . The home secretary has in the past accused the echr of under mining a democratically elected government by blocking the rwanda plan. Last year, the rwanda plan. Last year, the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether sending migrants to the african country is lawful in november. To the african country is lawful in november. Im going to get the latest on this before we have a debate on it with our Political Editor, Christopher Hope. Thank Political Editor, Christopher Hope. Thank you very much. So, christopher, what does this row centre around them . Because its centre around them . Because its divided. Also divided. The country is also divided. The country is also divided. The country is also divided. The tory as well divided. The tory party as well hasnt going. On hasnt it . Whats going. On well, the big row is whether the tory party should fight the next election on a policy of withdrawing from the European Convention of human rights. This convention enshrined in law in this country, in the 1998 human rights act, is blamed by lots of people on the right for giving rights to rights which they feel all over or go against the rights of other britons to come here to settle here. They think its somehow unfair. So its a question of whether we should be allowed to whether we should be subject to these these rules or make our own rules here. It goes back, really, patrick, to the original debate about brexit. Its almost the second part of the debate. Let the the brexit debate. We let the European Union and the idea the brexit debate. We let the elt0 ean union and the idea the brexit debate. We let the elto bringinion and the idea the brexit debate. We let the elto bring back and the idea the brexit debate. We let the elto bring back the the idea the brexit debate. We let the elto bring back the rightthe idea the brexit debate. We let the elto bring back the right toe idea is to bring back the right to enshrine laws on our own. Not, not, not see a court in strasbourg, as happened with these rwanda flights that rather brave and wants to try and process arrivals from small boats in rwanda. Not to have boats in rwanda. Not to have that happen over there, but make the rules in the Supreme Court, make the rules to reshore these rules. Thats the idea. The rules. Thats the idea. The priti patel was the former home secretary before Suella Braverman. She came up with the policy on rwanda. And earlier i asked her about this whole policy to pull out of the European Convention on human rights. So i think its right that we have this active live discussion. And i voted in parliament basically to do that. There was a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and i dont think government can take opfions think government can take options the i really options off the table. I really dont. And always thought dont. And ive always thought that of course will with that of course it will come with endless challenges and difficulties by the way, difficulties and by the way, difficulty that might even difficulty is that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. Lets speak about this from an immigration perspective. Now. You perspective. Right now. You know, we can do much more. Theres no doubt about that through derogation of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to last to do the work in the last government this. So clearly government on this. So clearly there you know, its right there is you know, its right that we look all of this, but that we look at all of this, but what i say, having these what i would say, having these conversations, this side of a general election when we could be 6 to 8 months away from a general election, again, thats not to delivery. Not going to lead to delivery. Are we going to go . The question is, im sure the public will is, and im sure the public will be interested in will be interested in this, will we go the general election go to the next general election again in a manifesto for again in with a manifesto for reform the echr, reform or leaving the echr, which conservatives have which the conservatives have done . You know, 2010, i was i see it. I came done . You know, 2010, i was i see it. I came to parliament. Its been done before. So the question is, they to question is, are they going to do again . Will, should do it again . Will. Will, should they . Patel im pro im they . Priti patel im pro im absolutely pro the changes that we see protect our we need to see to protect our country and to protect the rights of britain and british citizens. And its right that we citizens. And its right that we do this in a proper way rather than overpromising and then saying , you know, post a general saying, you know, post a general election as its happened before, its too difficult. See a point in maybe can you see a point in maybe at the the decade when at the end of the decade when the uk is not in the echr . Well i say its part you i would say its part of, you know, changes know, the reforms and changes britain post brexit. Britain post brexit. Crucial thing about that the crucial thing about that is, said we would is, is that we said we would reclaim sovereignty , it would reclaim sovereignty, it would be in of laws. In control of our laws. I believe that totally. I believe that. And its right that we do that. And its right that we do that. So there you have priti patel, the former home secretary, talking to me here in our westminster studios for gb news earlier today. And the point is, shes talking about derogations from the European Convention human not convention of human rights, not pull altogether, but pull out of it altogether, but more and changes. More make tweaks and changes. Theres there to theres rights in there to a family etcetera which family life and etcetera which which are used by lawyers. Many which are used by lawyers. Many feel in the right to go against what is in this countrys best interests. Theres risk attached to this massive risk because of course we then overseas course we then cant go overseas and talk to other countries about they behave on a about their how they behave on a human rights stage, notably china against the uyghurs and mayor of a bearing on Northern Ireland process also ireland Peace Process also within of course within the uk. Of course those rights are vital preserving, rights are vital for preserving, for ensuring that people are for ensuring that all people are treated care treated with dignity in care homes. So its a carefully balanced debate. But for many on the right of the tory party and were going into this big weekend for party in weekend for the party in manchester, their conference, they gone the wrong way. Christopher . Can i ask you, christopher . Sorry explain a little sorry just to explain a little bit more on that. The elderly in care homes, what does that mean in terms of with the echr . Ive had emails that. Had a few emails about that. Well the many say that this the 1998 human rights act, which enshrined the echr in legislation, gives rights and means that people have a right to some form of dignity and some form of basic care in care homes. Thats one example of it. And thats why people are concerned about any idea of withdrawing from the echr with nothing to replace it. Those who want to replace it. Those who want to pull out from the echr or change it say, well, can make it would say, well, we can make sure are enshrined sure those rights are enshrined in law and not rely on this in uk law and not rely on this on this. This big treaty which on this. This big treaty which negotiated in 1951 to help enforce it. Absolutely. Thank look, christopher, thank you very, stuff. Very, very much. Great stuff. Christopher there gb Christopher Hope there is gb news from our news Political Editor from our westminster studios. Well we did hear there priti hear a bit there from priti patel, priti patel on the patel, Dame Priti Patel on the echr a few moments ago. There will be lots more from that interview with the former home secretary will be on secretary and that will be on our Breakfast Show tomorrow morning. Sure you tune our Breakfast Show tomorrow m in ing. Sure you tune our Breakfast Show tomorrow m in ing. Promises ure you tune our Breakfast Show tomorrow m in ing. Promises ure be u tune to in that. Promises to be a good watch , as always. But yes, good watch, as always. But yes, i promise you to do a debate and were going to one so were going to get one now. So the helps draft. The the uk helps a draft. The european on human European Convention on human rights years after the end rights a few years after the end of world war and suggestions of world war ii. And suggestions that now leave the that we should now leave the echr have been with quite echr have been met with quite a bit opposition , not least bit of opposition, not least from sizeable number of tory from the sizeable number of tory mps actually. But should we stick to an agreement stick rigidly to an agreement drawn up more than 70 years ago, the refugees who the convention tried to protect back then are very different to those who crossed the channel in small boats these days. I know a lot of people clearly think that the people the channel in people crossing the channel in small boats these days are not actually refugees actually necessarily refugees at all. Joining me to debate all. Well, joining me to debate this now is Denis Macshane, the former labour minister for europe, and Stephen Woolf , who europe, and Stephen Woolf, who is director for the centre is the director for the centre of migration economic of migration and economic prosperity. Stephen, should we pull out the echr . Pull out the echr . Well, ive called for it for some time only because whilst there are important rights that are enshrined in the principles of the ideas behind why that was created as legislation , it isnt created as legislation, it isnt something that should not be sort of changed when circumstances change, laws change, new legislation is put in all the time by Different Countries and the question you have to ask is whether it has actually failed the British Government and particular in which circumstances many of us remember the time of when we were giving prisoners the rights to vote, for example. To vote, for example. Well, that was a big case and people said the echr should not have intervened in that situation. And again, were situation. And again, were seeing it with rwanda. My main seeing it with rwanda. My main point is those rights that we believe that are important to us can enshrined whether its in can be enshrined whether its in our own bill of rights or enshrined in own enshrined in our own legislation, moves with legislation, which moves with common law. We dont necessarily need echr anymore. So we can need the echr anymore. So we can have reform and reform means leaving this one this time. All right, denis, if its good japan, america, good enough for japan, america, canada new why should canada, new zealand, why should we be strapped into the echr . It we be strapped into the echr . It doesnt mean were going to turn into belarus. I hope not. Its not good enough for Vladimir Putin, which is why hes out of it. And if stephen and pretty really want britain to queue up with Vladimir Putin be my yeah but ive just. Right. Okay Dennis Dennis dennis ive literally just made the point wed also be queuing up biden. Justin up with joe biden. Justin trudeau the japanese new trudeau, the japanese new zealand. So its not as simple zealand. So its not as simple as that, is it . Go on, go on, go on. America did not set on. Dennis america did not set it up. Winston churchill did it was one of his proudest post war achievements simply because judges before 1939 had refused to allow jews from germany to come into england to the daily mail, ran great campaigns to keep them out. Thats the origin of part of the echr. But i served on the council of europe for a number of years. We could go and change it. Its a political process. You find friends, you find allies. And if you want to change it, good luck to you. So thats i think its daft because the way we solve the migration crisis, for heavens sake, germanys just closed its frontiers with poland, georgia maloney, the Prime Minister of italy, Just Announced that 300,000 undock prevented Illegal Migrants are going to be incorporated in the labour market. Donald trump promised for four years to build that famous wall and still hasnt done it. This idea that there are hurdles in catching solutions to this huge People Movement problem with we. Its just silly. But go work on it as i say, i was, by the way, stephen, the council of europe echr never imposed prisoner votes on britain. It was discussed because it works quite well in friendly countries like switzerland and nonnay. We switzerland and nonnay. We decided not to do it. Thats that was our right. Okay. All right, stephen, you know, look what i Suella Braverman has come out and said recently is weve got the illegal migration bill a chunk that bill and a large chunk of that is whatever comes is rwanda. And whatever comes after rwanda, whatever after rwanda, okay, whatever deals there, shes deals that we do there, shes pleaded with the International Community to change the definition what is. Definition of what a refugee is. The International Community has said so realistically, is said no. So realistically, is our only hope of getting any flights, rwanda to flights, taking off to rwanda to get out the echr is it the only way to control our borders . Way to control our borders . No, its not the only way to control our borders, but there are number ways we are a number of ways that we have look at changing the have to look at changing the system to impact those people smugglers. Its very clear and smugglers. Its very clear and theres enough evidence out theres enough evidence out there to say that if you start removing people from the United Kingdom, make it more difficult for them to reside here, then people smugglers have to either change their model or they will see their customers disappear. See their customers disappear. We saw examples of that in australia. We know that its australia. We know that its worked to an extent in denmark. Poland showed a way of using force on the borders with belarus and cells. So this belarus and cells. So this policy is quite important of sending one message. Is it the only way of solving the issue . Absolutely not. Of course, one has to look at the legal issues , and thats why im a great believer that we should be amending un refugee amending the Un Refugee Convention at where we convention to look at where we are the eu are today, where the eu commission, world are commission, the world bank, are saying majority saying that the vast majority of those europe are those entering into europe are actually economic migrants. That cant be a message that positive for those who believe in having some form of asylum process. Some form of asylum process. Okay, dennis, what would stop us from just enshrining all of the bits of the echr that we like and that we want and that we think are good for peoples human rights into our own law . And then just removing the bit that allows Illegal Immigrants to stay here, i assume because just from experience, this law is always being interpreted and reinterpreted , fitted and reinterpreted, fitted and reinterpreted, fitted and reinterpreted, that thats the difficulty. What was acceptable at a certain period of time. Our certain period of time. Our judges last century said 50,000 gay men to prison. Those were gay men to prison. Those were our honest, upstanding judges. And then they woke up and thought, oh my god, thats not a very british way of behaving. It was for them. We used to thrash children at schools. The echr children at schools. The echr stopped the torture of prisoners in the 1970s because our security guys and army wanted to be tough , tough, tough get be tough, tough, tough get information. We dont torture because of that. So it comes and goes. Dennis, im sorry. Im going to have to push back on that. Right. The reason we dont torture people is not singularly because of the echr. Right . Weve moved on. Yeah. Were not we dont need we dont need a judge from moldova to tell us you cant go and send that gay man to prison and torture it. Patrick the it was the echr rule thing that the British Government which is a law abiding institution , it always abiding institution, it always obeys International Law. Weve always obeyed International Law for centuries. Thats how we trade it. How we had alliances. Trade it. How we had alliances. And if we just opt out of it, you know, stephen talked about the polish belarus border, 50 people have been killed there, shot dead by trigger happy , shot dead by trigger happy, which were not going to do, arent we . But were not going to do that, are we . Dennis this is the thing. Why would why is there such a leap us . Well such a leap between us . Well leave echr and then were such a leap between us . Well leave to echr and then were such a leap between us . Well leave to openr and then were such a leap between us . Well leave to open up. |d then were such a leap between us . Well leave to open up. Were] were such a leap between us . Well leave to open up. Were goings such a leap between us . Well leave to open up. Were going to going to open up. Were going to open fire in the channel. I mean, not patrick mean, were not patrick i didnt mention example. Mention that as a good example. My dear old friend stephen my dear old friend did. So im just trying to say the moment you go down that road, all it needs is one incident and it goes bonkers. Now, all right, were i, i saw. I saw Suella Braverman launch her stuff in washington. Shes her stuff in washington. Shes with an old friend of mine, the ambassador Walking Around with one of those boots on because shed broken her. And i thought, what earth is suella doing what on earth is suella doing talking about european human rights in washington, dc . Rights in washington, dc . America hasnt got skin in this game. Many american laws are much tougher on protecting individuals than ours are or echr ones are. We know what shes doing campaigning for the leadership after the tories. She may well be dennis, but she is also trying to tell the world that the definition of a refugee at the moment would allow 780 Million People, most of whom would not actually be genuine refugees , to essentially genuine refugees, to essentially invade the west. Thats basically what she was getting at, it . Stephen . Stephen, at, isnt it . Stephen . Stephen, stephen, can i ask ask you stephen, can i ask can i ask you to point . Right. To address this point . Right. Look, it make us would look, we would it make us would it it much more likely that it make it much more likely that we turn into a human we would turn into a human rights cesspit if we left the echr absolutely not. The rule of law and common law in the United Kingdom is changed from magna carta , from changed from magna carta, from the levellers and the diggers to the levellers and the diggers to the pentridge martyrs and all the pentridge martyrs and all the way through. And what we would see in the United Kingdom is again, bright, bright lawyers, people in parliament, people in the Civil Service working together to find a system that enables us to, in act legislation that allowed us to have rwanda as a unilateral policy that can work but not be challenged by an organisation, as we saw in this particular case where we had one effective case where we had one effective case officer, lawyer sitting there on a sunday afternoon making that decision without the full court. So i think thats an important factor. Would it important factor. Would it change us dramatically . No, it change us dramatically . No, it would hurt those people who feel that we need to have some sort of standing in the world by being part of this. But actually, the most important part would british rights part is would the british rights of be changed so of people be changed so fundamentally we end up fundamentally that we end up like russia . As dennis says, we wouldnt. Of course this is it. Is it. And dennis, im this is it. And dennis, im just going put just give just going to put just give you a final this. Right. A final word on this. Right. Would you rather. Yeah. Be in be in outside echr in britain outside of the echr or be in azerbaijan . North macedonia, hungary , montenegro, macedonia, hungary, montenegro, albania . I could go on moldova , albania . I could go on moldova, liechtenstein , all these places liechtenstein, all these places inside the liechtenstein for all our bankers live. Our bankers live. Liechtenstein is, is a bankers liechtenstein is, is a bankers paradise. I was in North Macedonia recently on politics. A very nice country. Right . But and is better. Is it . And its better. Its better. But all right. Lets give it all up. I mean , stephen talked all up. I mean, stephen talked about britains standing in the world. Does it have much at the moment . But but if we want to reduce it still. No, i mean, thats true. You know , may not thats true. You know, may not like these. Well, got enough well, its got enough standing world you to standing in the world for you to continue dennis continue to live here. Dennis hasnt it . And youve done all right yourself, havent you . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, yourself, havent you . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, well|rself, havent you . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, well ,self, havent you . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, well , yeah, avent you . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, well , yeah, youve ou . Hasnt it . And youve done all riquh, well , yeah, youve done uh uh, well, yeah, youve done all right. W all right. All right. Steves done all right. Everybodys done all right. I dont that particular point everybodys done all right. I doibeing that particular point everybodys done all right. I doibeing relevantticular point everybodys done all right. I doibeing relevant now. Rr point everybodys done all right. I doibeing relevant now. We int everybodys done all right. I doibeing relevant now. We just as being relevant now. We just genuinely dont believe that if we walked out of the echr. We walked out of the echr. Theres so many other international conventions. If we international conventions. If we want to stop People Movement, sending a few dozen people to rwanda, whether arrive and stay for two weeks and start walking home again is just a gimmick , a stunt. All right. Both of you , were all right. Both of you, were going to have to leave it there. Well done, everybody. Thank you very much. Right. So steven wolf who is the director wolf there, who is the director of Centre Migration and of the centre for migration and economic denis economic prosperity, and Denis Macshane is a former labour minister for europe. Okay so loads more on this story on our website, gbnews. Com. Its the Fastest Growing National News website in the country. Its got the best analysis, big opinion on all of the latest breaking news. Keir starmer, has news. So sir keir starmer, has he another u turn . He performed another u turn . Labour down a bit on labour has backed down a bit on its pledge to strip private schools of their charitable status. Ill be having a little status. Ill be having a little look at of other labour look at some of the other labour u turns trust u turns and asking, can we trust sir keir Patrick Christys gb news, britains sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is. All news is. All all right. Welcome back. Its 426. Youre watching or listening to me . Patrick christys on gb news. Now in a few minutes, i will discuss the extraordinary news that less than half of training gps end up taking full time jobs in the nhs. Im asking if thats okay. I dont if we can really dont know if we can really force stay. You force them to stay. But you dont think they should be dont think maybe they should be made back their student made to pay back their student loan even if they abroad . Loan even if they work abroad . But conversation but thats a conversation for a few time. Can few minutes time. You can usually when theres going usually tell when theres going to be u turn. Why . To be a labour u turn. Why . Because d in the day. Because theres a d in the day. And today, sir starmer has and today, sir keir starmer has changed private changed his policy on private schools. Government schools. A Labour Government would them of their would not strip them of their charitable status in 2021. Shadow Rachel Reeves shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said private schools are not charities and that changing the law would raise £1. 7 billion a yean law would raise £1. 7 billion a year. Im joined now by peter edwards, whos the former editor of labourlist. Peter, can keir starmer be trusted with anything . Yeah, i think he can. If you look, this policy is popular just over 50 or more of the public support. It and also hes got a continual opinion poll lead. It doesnt mean theyre the theyre giving out the ministerial jobs, but it means that other prime that after all the other Prime Ministers had that ministers weve had that theres a trust for keir starmer. But similarly i think labour have adjusted their position and it daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, butto have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, but i say nothing has changed, but i think ended up in the think theyve ended up in the right is a right place, which is a proportionate tax but had proportionate new tax but had a rethink on the charitable side of it is the problem. Not that theyve adjusted their position a few things their position on a few things really. Free really. Its tuition fees, Free Movement , really. Its tuition fees, Free Movement, mail, really. Its tuition fees, Free Movement , mail, water movement, mail, rail, water nationalisation and potentially the European Union, keir starmer and hs2. Theres quite a few and hs2. Theres quite a few bits and bobs here where you think, well, he says one thing and he might say the opposite. A few weeks later, well, could few weeks later, well, we could say change their mind politicians change their mind on everything and say live in this kind magical universe this kind of magical universe where nothing changes. But where nothing ever changes. But then theres reality. Then of course, theres reality. And i gently you, and i gently remind you, david cameron, leader of cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, change the opposition, he didnt change one he changed his one policy. He changed his entire programme from entire Economic Programme from two thousand and seven, saying, well retain labours Spending Plans 2008, saying well junk plans to 2008, saying well junk them. And thats his them entirely. And thats his entire economic prospectus. Entire economic prospectus. And thats because it was a crisis. Yeah, i do understand that. Respect, that was that. But with respect, that was then and this is now. And were looking were looking at whether or not were going elect this guy now. Going to elect this guy now. Right . Its important to know right . So its important to know whether or hes actually whether or not hes actually going whether or not hes actually goisays. And theres some quite he says. And theres some quite seismic things. You jeremy seismic things. You know, Jeremy Corbyn was mate and hes not corbyn was his mate and hes not his weve his mate anymore. Weve had things, like ive said, their tuition Free Movement. Tuition fees Free Movement. Theres been of a hoo ha theres been a bit of a hoo ha recently about European Union theres been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum ut European Union theres been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera pean union theres been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera and| union theres been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera and| uniwweve and asylum cetera and now weve got to got this when it comes to schools, private schools, as well. A genuine well. Is there not a genuine question credibility here question of credibility here with this guy . The opinion well, i think the opinion polls that hes trusted polls show that hes trusted and hes of hes trust and honestly, most of all. Think the public are all. But i think the public are intelligent enough to get the facts change. Show on for facts change. Show on hs2, for example, are in the example, spades are in the ground. Massive ground. Theres a massive rethink going on in government right now and all waiting for the outcome. But its obviously not good for the not looking very good for the champions then some of champions of hs2. Then some of the other things tuition the other things like tuition fees, well, when fees, for example. Well, when labour talked that fees, for example. Well, when labouikeir talked that fees, for example. Well, when labouikeir starmer that under keir starmer in a leadership was leadership election, there was no several no covid. Now were several hundred pounds poorer as hundred billion pounds poorer as a so its that you a nation. So its right that you rethink things. Rethink some of these things. And think, as im sure and i do think, as im sure youd accept the next election will fought economy will be fought on the economy and living standards. Okay. And not a okay. And is there not a worry . Do you think, some worry . Do you think, for some people starmer might people that keir starmer might be saying thing to get be saying one thing to get elected and then his true colours might come out once he is elected and we might see a very different side to him . That friend Jeremy Corbyn, that friend of Jeremy Corbyn, that that us that guy who wants to drag us back european back into the European Union. Not. And no, absolutely not. And i think people on their think judge people on their actions. So Jeremy Corbyn will not, repeat, a labour not, repeat, not be a labour candidate. General election leader that leader has already ruled that out. Starmer out. Hes been keir starmer has been returning to a been against returning to a Customs Union Free Movement, economic union, blah blah blah for several years so we can rely on that. And he was a senior barrister. I mean, theres literally talk in the last week of essentially becoming an eu satellite state. No, no. I dont accept no, no, no. I dont accept that at keir starmer that at all. Keir starmer at this policy event in this kind of policy event in montreal as its montreal or a walkathon as its called , talked about staying called, talked about staying augned called, talked about staying aligned with europe on some technical , things like technical standards, things like veterinary science. And while veterinary science. And while thats a good point, thats probably a good point, you suspect the next you know, i suspect the next general election is not to going be fought on how closely aligned we on veterinary standards we are on veterinary standards with eu. I cannot tell you how grateful am that pronounce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong that pronounce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly pronounce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly asmounce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as itounce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as it is nce with eu. I cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as it is ae wonka thong correctly as it is a rather early. Its a daytime show. Its a family show with a family output. So thank you very much for that. Yeah, great much for that. Peter yeah, great stuff. Well, well leave that there. Thank you very much. Peter edwards there, who is the former editor of labourlist, who gave palpitations for gave me heart palpitations for just a second. Right. Okay. Still theres more to come between 5 00. Ill have between now and 5 00. Ill have a look at this report a look at this alarming report that highlights just how many gps going ask gps are going abroad and ask whether basically whether we are basically training for other training up staff for other countries Health Services. Yes, countries Health Services. Yes, i am aware of the irony here, which is that for years we have pinched staff from other countries services, countries Health Services, but its us im its happening to us now and im not about okay, so not happy about it. Okay, so well about or well talk about whether or not well talk about whether or not we essentially forcing we should essentially be forcing gps britain. Can we gps to stay in britain. Can we do . But right now, as your do that . But right now, as your headlines, weve Polly Middlehurst. Patrick thank you. Middlehurst. Patrick thank you. Will the top story this hour is that the family of a 15 Year Old Girl who was stabbed to death in south london yesterday have paying to her have been paying tribute to her as Police Investigation as the Police Investigation into her continues. Elian her murder continues. Elian arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school at 8. 30 yesterday morning. Her family say she was the light of their lives. 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A shock report has for the nhs. A shock report has revealed than half of revealed that less than half of trainee end up getting full trainee gps end up getting full time jobs with our Health Service. An increasing number of doctors and nurses are moving to countries like australia now its easy to see why they offer better pay. They apparently offer better working conditions. The weather is better, you could argue a way of life in argue just a way of life in general be a bit better in general might be a bit better in australia. Course, the australia. Of course, the inconvenient a of Inconvenient Truth for a lot of people is that its a Different Health care system, isnt it . One that maybe we would not be allowed actually in allowed to actually implement in this a this country, but it opens up a whole host questions, both whole host of questions, both financial moral. Really, financial and moral. Really, as far which is, far as im concerned, which is, is doctors to get a is it okay for doctors to get a student loan training this country, reap the rewards of getting an internationally renowned degree in education and then leave straight away and not have to pay that student loan back and not have to really serve for a set amount of years within our Health Care Service is i just dont know if thats okay, is it . Im joined now by juua okay, is it . Im joined now by julia taylor, who is an nhs psychiatric nurse. Julia, thank you very much. Great to have you on the show. Yeah. Where are you on the show. Yeah. Where are you on this then . Do you think its do you think its all right for someone get that student loan someone to get that student loan , get education and the , to get the education and the training here and swan off training here and then swan off immediately . Immediately . Yeah. Well, i think patrick, the words in the word loan, the problem is the word loan. Problem is the word loan. They loaned that money to do their training so they pay for their training so they pay for their own training in. So my take on this is why on earth would you want to stay and work in this country for the pittance that you get compared to the other countries where you can go 7 other countries where you can go . Youll still have to pay the loan off that youve borrowed the money from to do your training, whether youre a nurse or not, whether youre working australia, canada , wherever australia, canada, wherever theyre going. And to be fair, if i was young now and i was doing my training now , i would doing my training now, i would definitely consider going to australia and after id qualified just i just want to say, yeah, julia, i appreciate what you said there. I spoke to a Junior Doctor in the last hour who did say me the last hour who did say to me that if you train over that that if you train over here, so you take that student loan out and then you were to go to australia, you wouldnt have to australia, you wouldnt have to pay that loan back because youre no longer taxpayer here youre no longer a taxpayer here in is the thing. In in britain is the thing. Yeah. So thats thats yeah, that to be quite, quite that seems to be quite, quite a big issue. I think , for lot of big issue. I think, for a lot of people. I do you think people. I mean, do you think that should be saying that maybe we should be saying to look, youve to people, look, once youve trained here, should trained over here, you should have or 3 years, five have to do 2 or 3 years, five years, i dont know, actually working here before you can before you leave. Before you can leave. I would add to that actually , i would say why dont the say to people when youve qualified, if you stay with the nhs for ten years, we will pay your student loan off. Yeah. And that way everybody would stay. I dont everybody would stay. I dont honestly think anybody truly wants to go and live abroad and well , i wants to go and live abroad and well, i cant wants to go and live abroad and well , i cant answer for well, i cant answer for everybody. I can think of a lot of reasons why they would in a way. But why would you want to stay here and pay all that money when youve got a mortgage that young people cant get on the mortgage to get a house because theyve no money, nobodys theyve got no money, nobodys got any money in this country. I mean, work full time and mean, our work full time and i do get a decent pay because ive worked in the nhs for a long time now and i get my top band pay , time now and i get my top band pay , but that comes with it pay, but that comes with it responsibilities as well. So if responsibilities as well. So if i didnt , can i ask you about that . Yeah, because thats like thats what a lot of people might think is life that you work hard for a number of years and then you find yourself in a position where youre on decent money, right . And yeah, i cant help but wonder whether or not Junior Doctors want to be the exception to that. I i dont exception to that. I i dont think so. I just think a lot of people who doctors who train in this country arent actually from this country either. You know, im not sure if youre aware of that. I dont know what the statistics are, but a lot of them are from other countries. Them are from other countries. Um, and its spoilt it, you know, as soon as they said that you had to pay for your loan, why cant they just say, look, stay with the nhs and we will then, you know , well pay your then, you know, well pay your loan off because its such a lot of money. Imagine having £60,000 worth of debt. Thats just for nurses. Im not sure what the doctors loan is. And then and then i think you have interest. Yeah. And then i think you know, you have interest on top of that and things. Know are lot things. I know there are a lot of monthly pay, its of its a monthly pay, its quite of big chunk out of quite a lot of big chunk out of your pay. When did my training, um , i when i did my training, um, i did 18 months basic training of all all sort of nursing. And all all sort of nursing. And then i did 18 months in my speciality. I got a bursary. Speciality. I got a bursary. Yeah. It wasnt much, but it was a little bit of a help. And i worked every weekend, friday, saturday and sunday night. And then i used to on monday then i used to go on on monday and managed and i left and i managed and i Left University debt. University without debt. Let me ask look, let me ask you a question then. You know, you a question then. You know, you obviously incredibly hard working. Right . Incredibly hard working, incredibly dedicated. Your work ethic, i think is beyond question. Do you beyond question. Do you recognise that in the generations that are coming through now, do you think . Because i wonder whether or not thatis because i wonder whether or not that is part of it, okay. Whether or not theres a bit of a difference a psychological difference between in people in your position now and people who are who are coming through the ranks . Well, i suppose you could say there is. I guess theres different culture now compared to when i was younger. Its very to when i was younger. Its very different. Um, but i do know different. Um, but i do know that the student nurses that are coming through now, im a mentor for some of them and the work incredibly hard and they get annoyed when, when theyre not getting the training that they should be getting if theyve been a reward that they dont like because theyre paying for their training. So in that case, why should they have to stay in work in the nhs . Why . I dont. I personally dont think its very nice. One of the things that i, you know, that i dont quite understand well, i do understand it. Im just a bit annoyed about it. Im just a bit annoyed about it really, is that, you know, you could, you could get a loan, a student loan. Its a huge amount of money and you pay interest that yeah. All interest on that and. Yeah. All right. Its going to take you potentially of your potentially the rest of your working to back. Working life to pay that back. Okay. Could get that. Okay. But you could get that. And out leave and then and then just out leave and then part of me thinks, well, is that not reason why we not part of the reason why we might staffing if might have a staffing crisis . If so many people train in this country . So theyre the people that we have earmarked to go and be the staff in our Health Service for the years to come. But they leave before they ever work properly for us. I mean, its no wonder that were short staffed then everyone complains that were short staffed and they ovennorked im they say, im ovennorked and im underpaid, leave underpaid, so im going to leave as well. But thats the absolute problem. Reason problem. That is the reason behind all of this. Its really difficult working in the nhs now. Its no plain sailing job. Weve got a lot of responsibility. We have lots of things we have to adhere to. We have to be very careful what we say, even though we might not agree with certain things, we cant say certain things and it really feels all tight. And if you go back just 20 years ago, the difference in the amount of people that were staying and working in this country is massive. And youve got to ask yourself the question, why is that happening now . Whats caused that . Caused that . All right. Okay. Look, julia, thank you very much. Julia thank you very much. Julia taylor. There is an nhs psychiatric nurse whos just joined us to have a chat about whether or not its okay, really, i suppose, for people to train medically in this country. We get that student loan, like i said, go abroad. I i said, and then go go abroad. I just think, no , no, thats my just think, no, no, thats my view. No, i dont really think it is okay. We cant shackle people here, can we . We cant make them stay , i suppose. But make them stay, i suppose. But it does feel a little bit, i think, unfair doesnt it, the british taxpayer . Hey, look, your british taxpayers, presumably most people watching this. Let me know what you think, gb views gbnews. Com. Think, gb views or gbnews. Com. Sues been drain. Sues been on brain drain. Patrick obvious why is patrick is obvious why is because they dont want to stay here live here. Yeah, fair here and live here. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. And theres a lot of this coming in now, patrick. Our government should strike a deal with the likes of australia to garnish the wages of doctors to garnish the wages of doctors to recover loan money. After to recover the loan money. After all, councils and councils could do this. Thats from keith. Do this. Thats from keith. Theres a heck of a lot coming in. Patrick your in. Patrick get your facts right. Whole about right. The whole story about training moving abroad training doctors moving abroad is non starter for is a total non starter for anyone abroad. Whatever anyone moving abroad. Whatever we repay the we must continue to repay the student loan. Im not really student loan. Im not really sure thats true. John but there we views gbnews. Com thank we go. Gb views gbnews. Com thank you very much, everybody who is been getting in touch. If i told you that an adult had wanted a school to sign a gagging order, youd be shocked, wouldnt you . Youd be shocked, wouldnt you . Well, when that person turns out to be meghan, well, its not that much of a surprise, is it . Patrick christys gb news britain news. Sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. News. Right. Welcome back. Youre watching or listening to me. Patrick christys on gb news now at 5 00 with Suella Braverman apparently authorised to float the idea of leaving the echr, i will ask why do so many people say its a bad thing . Its not like were going to turn into belarus is or is belarus overnight. Is it . Or is it if i told you that an it now . If i told you that an adult had wanted a school to sign a gagging order, well, youd be shocked, wouldnt you . Surely. But when surely thats kids. But when that person turns out to be meghan. Well, its not that much of a surprise, is it . Her party reportedly asked a New York School to agree not to make any negative comments about meghan or harry. It came before she read extracts from her to book a class of seven year olds back in 2021. Joining me now is royal commentator angela levin. Angela, this seems a bit i mean, you know, asking asking kids to have some kind of gagging order. Surely not. Yes its ridiculous, isnt it . I mean, my view is that people who ask for that either have no confidence in themselves or they really know that theyre doing something very wrong. Doing something very wrong. Othennise, its ridiculous. And othennise, its ridiculous. And i think its very cruel. And actually, if you try to stop children saying anything or i dont like this book and it was a rubbish book, why shouldnt they be able to say that . Surely you know, but the other thing, the whole visit made you shiver because she turned up in a jacket, which i think it was about £5,000, right . You dont go showing off and lots of about £5,000, right . You dont cartier jewellery. Its not about £5,000, right . You dont really done, is it . Plus, she asked for blue cushions to be provided and a new blue carpet because she likes that around her. Thats this is a at a to meet kids at a school. Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing she wanted them to recarpet the school from what you understand. No, no. Put a carpet in the room that shes in. Okay with the cushions because thats what she liked. So was one of the most so this was one of the most difficult schools in harlem that had no money and thats what she insisted in. Obviously, a diva like way that they would actually do that for her, because thats what she was doing. The privilege of hearing her her book, i mean, the book was completely unsuitable for seven year olds anyway, because its all about benches. I dont know any child who is interested in benches is aged seven and it was badly written in english. Actually, it wasnt good english, okay. And so , so you think that and so, so you think that this is what its an example maybe of, of her being a bit a bit of a diva, i suppose from her pr perspective, she would say, well, look, you know, we didnt want we didnt want the gotcha moment of someone walking up to a seven year old and thats seven year old saying, i didnt really like book, didnt really like this book, you i think can you know, well, i think you can learn that, actually. Learn from that, actually. You can say to the child, its what you its okay, tell me what you didnt next time ill didnt like. And next time ill try my very best and in what try my very best and put in what you i mean, thats how you you like. I mean, thats how you respond. You dont them respond. You dont stop them saying anything. Mean , you saying anything. I mean, you know, is free speech for know, it is free speech for small just is small children, just as it is for older ones. Its a very bad habit to get into that you wont allow people to criticise you, you wont allow people to say they dont like you. I mean, theyre not going to likely to do that in in her face, but theyre not allowed to do it anywhere at any time forever. Do you think that maybe shes so afraid or harry so afraid because theyve taken so much criticism . Criticism . So many people, of course, will say it brought a lot of this on themselves, dont get me wrong. But theyve taken so much criticism theyre so criticism that now theyre so hypervigilant that they hypervigilant about it that they think, just got think, oh, well, weve just got to gag everyone. Its all got to be and be completely staged and its all completely pr all got to be completely pr managed. All got to be completely pr ma buted. Talking 2021. But were talking about 2021. I mean , they left. They i mean, they just left. They should have been over the moon. They got they wanted , a big they got what they wanted, a big house. Child, another one on house. One child, another one on the way. You know , people were the way. You know, people were listening to them. It was only sometime after they had their interview with Oprah Winfrey that people started realising what they said wasnt always true. Far from it in several things. So they werent in a state that they are now where theyve had a lot more criticism. Were going back a year and to. Were going back a year and to do that, to stop also the children. I mean , shocking and children. I mean, shocking and the teachers. Its not the way you teach children how to behave that you know, you say youre not allowed to say anything nasty about this person. Why not . I think as a child, i would have found that incredibly weird. If someone if someone had walked even as a seven year old. I think if someone had walked in and said, heres a lady who lets be honest, youre not going to really know who she is, right . Heres a lady now to read you of a book that shes you a bit of a book that shes written, that shes written that is poon written, that shes written that is poor. Might notice is very poor. You might notice the that weve laid the new carpet that weve laid out here and the blue cushion this special lady, this this very special lady, this very special lady whos turned up, in in in expensive up, dripping in in in expensive jewellery and all of that stuff. And youre whatever you do, dont say anything bad about this book. I think i would have probably that quite odd. Probably found that quite odd. I would have yeah, but i would have decided didnt like the lady decided i didnt like the lady who said me. Decided i didnt like the lady who said me. But decided i didnt like the lady who said me. But im not who said that to me. But im not allowed to dislike her. You know, think a of children know, i think a lot of children would absolute opposite would take absolute the opposite way that if way of speaking, that if somebody said, you know, youre not to anything not allowed to say anything about know, not . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant know, not . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. Know, not . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. Yeah n, not . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. Yeah or not . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. Yeah or were ot . Not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. Yeah or were they they want to. Yeah or were they very scared . Why would you want to Something Like to frighten them . Something like that. I do find it. I do find yeah, i do find it. I do find it. I do find it bizarre. Think it is that really. I think it is that theyve a conscience about really. I think it is that they they a conscience about really. I think it is that they they are. Conscience about really. I think it is that they they are. Theyience about really. I think it is that they they are. They wontabout really. I think it is that they they are. They wont let ut how they are. They wont let anybody it. Theyve got anybody know it. And theyve got to that same to continue on that same platform. But actually, she you know, you want people to like your book. Its a terrible short, terrible book. But even if you want them to like it, you cant, you know, stop stretch their necks so they cant say anything. You have to take the good and the bad. Thats what book reviews are all about. These children just giving these children were just giving their as a book review their response as a book review. Yeah. I mean, youve written youve written ever written books. Would you ever have children to not be have gagged children to not be able to criticise it . I wouldnt gouge anyone. If somebody says something gouge anyone. If not ebody says something gouge anyone. If not veryy says something gouge anyone. If not very nices something gouge anyone. If not very nices somwit, ing thats not very nice about it, you have to swallow you have you have to swallow it. You have to theyre just being to see if theyre just being spiteful , if theyre actually spiteful, if theyre actually right and try and do better next time. You cant stop people what they they feel. But i think its a very, very bad example for children. I thought that harry potentially now is on a little bit of a high because hes had the Invictus Games and it seems to go quite well for him. Youre shaking your head. Go on. Yeah, im shaking my head because i think he puts on that show. You saw him show. No, but if you saw him when went to another thing when they went to another thing , i cant quite remember what the name it was, but he was the name of it was, but he was terribly worried about meghan and he was asked to hold a mic and he was asked to hold a mic and he was asked to hold a mic and he didnt want to, so he tried to give it her, tried tried to give it to her, tried to give him, you to say, give it to him, you know, to the man to pass on to meghan. And laughed him. Know, to the man to pass on to meg he|. And laughed him. Know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldnt laughed him. Know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldnt he|ghed him. Know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldnt he did d him. Know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldnt he did it him. And he wouldnt he did it himself, speaking about some charity. Yeah and he looks terrible. I mean, what hes terrible. I mean, what hes doing is exactly what the pr would want. I doing is exactly what the pr would want. I assume, meghan, to be super happy. Everythings lovely. Ive changed. Im not looking back at the past. Im now going for the future. Im going to do wonderful things in the future. And of course harry and i are absolutely lovey dovey, but harry is desperately trying or hes just being told what to do and hes doing it because he obeys her. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you seem you seem actually angela quite , quite actually angela quite, quite worried about harry. I am worried about harry. Yes ispend i am worried about harry. Yes i spend if you spend 15 months with somebody, you get to know them quite well. And if you know how complicated and difficult life can be for them, you feel very sorry for them. And i was thrilled when he found somebody who would take all the spotlight and who he could be happy with and who he could be happy with and that he would settle down. I mean , william had been lucky. Mean, william had been lucky. Hes found Catherine Anne at university. But harry had loads of girls on the trot all the time. He found it very difficult, a nightmare for him to be. Well, ill tell you what. What a hard life that is. You know what he wanted to settle . Some guys have no luck. Do they . You know, he wanted to settle down. To settle down. Down. He wanted to settle down. He wanted to have children. Very good children. And now good with children. And now things difficult. Things are difficult. All right, angela, always an absolute pleasure to see you looking so lovely as well. Angela levin there always a bit of there you go. Right of sparkle. There you go. Right okay. So matters are a bit more serious now, i suppose. Well, the braverman has apparently been authorised to float this idea the echr. Why do idea of leaving the echr. Why do so people say that its so many people say that its such . Would it such a bad thing . Would it turned us into belarus or are we just than that . Patrick just better than that . 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Theyll keep going through the day. 1 or 2 scattered showers elsewhere, but many places and bright, many places dry and bright, a bit sunshine probably than bit more sunshine probably than today of east wales, today for parts of east wales, southern england. A southern and Eastern England. A bit of a breeze, but still feeling quite pleasant in the sunshine. The sunshine. 21 across the south east, elsewhere, mostly in the teens feeling pretty south east, elsewhere, mostly in the with eens feeling pretty south east, elsewhere, mostly in the with that feeling pretty south east, elsewhere, mostly in the with that gusty ng pretty fresh with that gusty wind across the far north. Thatll be lighter saturday, although lighter on saturday, although still some showers across shetland. Start fine shetland. Many places start fine and the east will stay that way on saturday. But at this, on saturday. But look at this, more windy weather more wet and windy weather coming into Western Areas through the day. Temperatures again the south east over 20 again in the south east over 20 degrees. Elsewhere feeling degrees. But elsewhere feeling cooler more rain and wind cooler as more rain and wind arrive its 5 pm. Its Patrick Christys. Its gb news. Its 5 pm. Its Patrick Christys. Its gb news. Now would leaving the echr actually be a bad thing for britain . Would it make us bad on the world stage . Would it make us like belarus or is it the only way that we can get serious proper control of our borders . Proper control of our borders . In other news. Gg hey, look, i dont about quite dont know about you. Quite difficult get a difficult sometimes to get a gps appointment, are gps appointment, isnt it . Are they selfish for getting trained in this country . Student loans , in this country . Student loans, all of that jazz and then moving abroad . Okay. Should we have abroad . Okay. Should we have some mandate free amount some kind of mandate free amount of time that they have to stay here . Can you even do that now . Terror behind bars . Yes, thats right. Take a look the right. We take a look at the state of islamist terrorism going on our prisons and going on in our prisons and whether not it is just whether or not it is just a jihadi training ground. What more for you this hour. Yeah were going be taking a look were going to be taking a look at crash that at the slow speed car crash that is on in wales the is going on in wales at the moment. Enforced 20 mile moment. These enforced 20 mile an hour limits. There was an hour speed limits. There was an hour speed limits. There was a vote of no confidence in the senate gone senate last night. Its all gone a little bit over the 20 a little bit weird over the 20 mile an hour speed limit. But could coming a could they well be coming to a town city near you . And town or city near you . And indeed, they probably have Patrick Christys. Gb news as Patrick Christys. Gb news as even Patrick Christys. Gb news as ever. Get your views coming in. Gb views. Nick gibb news. Com. Do you think its time to leave the echr or do you think were better in . But right now is your headunes better in . But right now is your headlines with Polly Middlehurst i patrick thank you. Will the top story this afternoon is that the family of a 15 Year Old Girl who was stabbed in south london yesterday have been paying tribute to her as the Police Investigation into her murder continues. Ltn arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school in croydon. In way to school in croydon. In a statement, her family said our hearts are broken by the senseless death of our daughter, ellie. Anne was the light of our lives. A 17 year old boy who police say knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested yesterday morning. Arrested yesterday morning. 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Now in terms of how it would look on the world stage, if we pulled out of the echr im a little bit sick of british citizens having to pay the price for how the elites think we should look to their elite mates around the world. That is a luxury ambition for people who can afford looks , worries which many ordinary brits simply cannot afford. Brits simply cannot afford. People say that if we pulled out of the echr then wed be like russia or belarus. I mean, thats just not true, is it . But by logic, wed also be like by that logic, wed also be like anybody else who isnt in the echr canada, new echr like america, canada, new zealand, japan. Id rather zealand, japan. Id rather be like countries than like those countries than bosnia, north bosnia, lithuania or North Macedonia who are in the echr in belarus. Or a couple of years belarus. Or a couple of years ago there was a political uprising in 27,000 people were detained , thousands were detained, thousands were tortured, shot , beaten detained, thousands were tortured, shot, beaten and killed. In belarus , the security killed. In belarus, the Security Services are apparently still known as the kgb. Over here, people can get away with tearing down a statue of someone that they dont like and chucking it into the sea and our police force are at pains not to accidentally misgender someone. Thats a big difference, isnt it . Element of how were it . The element of how were perceived on the world stage that i really care about is how clearly millions of people from africa in the middle east think that were a meal ticket and a complete free ride are standing on the world stage. Clearly is that we are a soft touch when it comes to sovereignty over our own borders. Though i feel like the vast majority of brits are not entirely comfortable with somebody from luxembourg , somebody from luxembourg, liechtenstein, monaco moldova liechtenstein, monaco or moldova being able to tell us who we can and cannot deport. That just doesnt sit well me. And cannot deport. That just d doesntt well me. And cannot deport. That just d doesntt right. Me. And cannot deport. That just d doesntt right. Put me. And cannot deport. That just d doesntt right. Put itne. It doesnt feel right. Put it this if there was a vote on this way if there was a vote on the table today that asked british citizens if they wanted foreign judges to be able to dictate who we could and could not keep in britain, i dont think wed vote for that, would we . So should we now be given the choice to vote to leave it . I feel sorry for i actually do feel sorry for suella and rishi sunak Suella Braverman and rishi sunak snack. Money the snack. Weve given money to the french a bit more in french to do a bit more in the channel. Taken genuine channel. Weve taken in genuine asylum and from Asylum Seekers and refugees from ukraine afghanistan, as well ukraine and afghanistan, as well as weve gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle weve gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over weve gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over theieve gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over the illegal ne into battle over the illegal migration bill. Theyve sorted out kind of a rwanda plan suella stood up on the world stage and said that the world needs to change definition of a change its definition of a refugee. Frankly in order to save the world from falling into total chaos and disrepair. But the didnt really want to the world didnt really want to know. So whats the only option now is it not to leave the echr and have more control . The world isnt going to help us. Clearly so isnt it time for us to just help ourselves as. Yeah, thats help ourselves as. Yeah, thats what i think. I want to hear from you. Gb views gbnews. Com. Now Dame Priti Patel has been talking to gb news Political Editor Christopher Hope about this very topic. Editor Christopher Hope about this very topic. Take it away. This very topic. Take it away. To pull out of the European Convention on human rights. So i think its right that we have active live discussion have this active live discussion and i voted in parliament basically to do that. There was basically to do that. There was a ten minute rule bill in parliament and i dont think government can options off government can take options off the really dont. And the table. I really dont. And ive always thought that of course itll with endless course itll come with endless challenges difficulties and challenges and difficulties and by difficulties that by the way, difficulties that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. Lets speak about this from an immigration perspective. Right now, you know, we can do much more. Theres no doubt about through derogations about that. Through derogations of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to do the work in the last government on this. So, okay, there we go. So we heard Dame Priti Patel calling for us to leave the echr a few minutes ago and there will be lots more from Christopher Hopes interview with the former home secretary in breakfast tomorrow. But okay, theres lots of opposition to the idea of the uk leaving the echr and many of the critics are actually tory mps. Point the mps. They often point to the fact the only european fact that the only european nafions fact that the only european nations who are not part of the echr are and belarus. But echr are russia and belarus. But why would britain really turn into belarus overnight if we quit . Im joined now by human rights campaigner ayesha ali khan. Thank rights campaigner ayesha ali khan. Thank you very much. Any moment now. There we go. Good moment now. There we go. Good stuff. Okay. So if we pulled out of the echr, do you think thats really a concern for human rights in britain . Genuinely i think it is. It sounds such a terrible message out there that we dont really respect human rights. I really respect human rights. I mean, this is something that if you look into the history of how we ended up in this position with the echr, we were one of the First Nations to actually ratify the treaty before it became actual law in 1953. So 1951, sorry. So i think it so 1951, sorry. So i think it would just send such a terrible message if you were to leave. And also, lets just you know, youve mentioned russia just now, not being a member of the convention, but we had to expel russia following its invasion of ukraine. And if we then decide actually, you know, we dont want to be part of this body, see you later. Bye. It just see you later. Bye. Itjust sends such a terrible message. The optics are terrible. And i do think that we should definitely is. Is it like we respect . Is it is it is it in reality that bad or would people just say it is and clutch some pearls and make and clutch some pearls and make a thing out of it . You know, the reason why wed be leaving it presumably be so that we presumably would be so that we can and fly people off to can try and fly people off to rwanda. I mean, i dont think rwanda. I mean, i dont think thats the of the world, is thats the end of the world, is it . It . Well , if you actually think well, if you actually think about it, weve got the human rights act in place as well, which actually safeguards a lot of the sort of legal aspects of the echr rulings. But the problem is then , like but the problem is then, like youve just mentioned, the rwandan issue, wed have to then water down the human rights act as well in order to allow these deportations to take place. And thats the danger here. So where do we stop . At what point do we say, okay, thats enough now were not going to water down or were not going to water down or were not going to water down or were not to remove any were not going to remove any more our these human more of our of these human rights that always had rights that weve always had in place nearly 70 place for 60 years, nearly 70 years now. So where does it stop . And also , i remember stop . And also, i remember distinctly , im in my 40s now, distinctly, im in my 40s now, but when we were getting ready to invade afghanistan, when we were getting ready with the iraq war, the biggest, um, war, one of the biggest, um, sort of flags that everybody was waving at the time was, oh, well, were going into to protect human rights abuses , to protect human rights abuses, to fight against human rights abuses. Were going to go in to protect the rights of women and so on. Where would we how on earth can we then argue that we are champions of human rights if we. I mean, yeah, but we i dont personally, i just do not realistically think that being a member of the echr is the only reason why we would be able to go and tell the world that we are pro human rights. I mean, america arent members of it. Canada isnt , new zealand isnt, canada isnt, new zealand isnt, japan isnt. Canada isnt, new zealand isnt, japan isnt. I mean, do they lose all all ability to go and tell the world about the human rights . Rights . I think the danger is when you have been part of an organisation for so long and you know youve and it has helped massively. Being being a member has helped people like, you know, elderly people. There was know, elderly people. There was a there was a case where a couple had been separated and they used the echr to fight for they used the echr to fight for the human rights and they were reunited. And there have been reunited. And there have been other issues as well in terms of protecting press freedoms as well. Journalist who have been targeted unfairly by the police. They were able to sue and actually basically find the courts found in their favour. Actually basically find the courts found in their favour. So courts found in their favour. So yeah, i think i think like the optics are not good and thats why, i mean, as i said to your producer earlier on, if we had a robust system in place, if we actually had something that was equivalent in place in the uk, and then we thought , right, and then we thought, right, okay, were leaving, but weve got this in place to safeguard our human rights and so on, then id actually be okay. Well, at least there is something thats equivalent i dont equivalent in place, but i dont think do. I think when think we do. I think that when the human rights act so the equivalent have been presented , equivalent have been presented, i dont think they go far enough. So i dont think, you know ,. So i dont think, you know, its a good idea to leave at this stage. You want to do it right. So if you wanted to do something in your in your own home, right, like naturally you as a, as well meaning good as a, as a well meaning good person intent person with no evil intent whatsoever decided that you wanted. Maybe it wanted to do something. Maybe it was i dont know, was to do with, i dont know, the way that you went about raising own child or raising your own child or something, right . Would you voluntarily say, well, i want somebody from luxembourg or liechtenstein or monaco or moldova to have the final say as to whether or not i could do what i wanted to do in own what i wanted to do in my own home. I imagine would say no home. I imagine you would say no to you . To that, wouldnt you . Well, it depends on what i mean. My sons nearly 20 now. I i imagine everybody wanting to raise their children would want their children to be safe, looked after. Emotional mental looked after. Emotional mental health, cared for, catered for , health, cared for, catered for, all these issues. You know , in all these issues. You know, in place. Safeguard, safeguard in schools, safeguards when they go to hospital , safeguards when to hospital, safeguards when theyre walking along. Theyre walking along. Oh, okay. Weve lost aisha there, ashraf ali khan. Look, im going to delve into the inbox, vaiews gbnews. Com. Inbox, okay . Vaiews gbnews. Com. Lots reaction to this because lots of reaction to this because weve been covering it quite a long now. Do you think long time now. Do you think actually out the actually that getting out the echr really is our only option now . I get it. I do now . Hey, i get it. I do completely get the argument for maybe it be an open goal maybe it would be an open goal for people to criticise us on the world stage. However, when it comes to that argument about, well, how could possibly well, how could we possibly lecture china on human rights if were out of echr . I mean, were out of the echr . I mean, if china does have essentially death camps for Uyghur Muslims , death camps for Uyghur Muslims, you the right you havent really got the right to of political to freedom of political expression anything like that expression or anything like that. We can still. Then of course we can still lecture it. Mean, the lecture china on it. I mean, the point that whether or not point is that whether or not were the china still were in the echr, china still wont listen. So it arguably doesnt matter where, oh, russia. Say, russia. Theyre going to say, well, not in the echr well, youre not in the echr well, but not well, yeah, but were not russia, were overtly russia, are we . Were overtly better the argument better than that. The argument again well, churchill took again of, well, churchill took us into it. Okay, fine. Now i obviously think, like i imagine most people watching or listening to this, that Winston Churchill a national hero, churchill was a national hero, is hero. But dont churchill was a national hero, is every hero. But dont churchill was a national hero, is every single but dont churchill was a national hero, is every single aspect dont churchill was a national hero, is every single aspect of ont adopt every single aspect of things that churchill thought was right. Do we . You know, there were a variety of different churchill different issues that churchill and that churchill had and views that churchill had that man time. That made him a man of his time. Well, we dont that well, we dont think that everything be everything that he did would be appropriate in todays modern world so does the world and climate. So does the same thing apply when it comes to the echr . But i would argue for me, there is just that moral idea of that sense of idea of it, that sense of sovereignty , that, should sovereignty, that, hey, should we really be dictated to by foreign judges about what we can and do . And if we pulled and cannot do . And if we pulled out it, would we immediately out of it, would we immediately turn into a human rights cesspit . I personally dont think. Yes, would to think so. Yes, it would have to be protections. There yes, be some protections. There yes, of course there would have to be some kind of law as a backstop. Pauune some kind of law as a backstop. Pauline. Is there pauline says. Is there a petition to sign to come out of the echr . Quite possibly , the echr . Quite possibly, pauline, yes. You could make your i think the uk your voice heard. I think the uk needs to of echr needs to get out of the echr now, this needs now, says janice. This needs drastic reform. Treaty is drastic reform. This treaty is 70 years its outdated. 70 years old. Its outdated. Its for purpose out , its not fit for purpose out, out, out. That appears to be quite a strong view. Its a popular view here. Echr course, we should leave the echr, says bob. If we allow ourselves to be controlled by them, im assuming he means overseas nationals. There i would consider it a violation of our human rights. I do wonder whether or not many people thought that when we voted to leave the European Union that we would stop having to listen to what people, foreign judges thought about our particular laws as well. I do wonder if thats something that people thought would happen. Of course you would have been mistaken in that view, aiden says leaving is sending a bad message, its not the point message, but its not the point. The point is taking back ownership of our future here. There are elements that could be changed revised, many changed or revised, but many that and that can be adopted and strengthened as well. Look, clearly strengthened as well. Look, cleatrying do when stood was trying to do when she stood up washington a couple of up in washington a couple of days ago and that speech on days ago and gave that speech on the Refugee Status on Asylum Seekers, on illegal migration and on legal migration, was to say world that, look, say to the world that, look, were trying to bit here. Were trying to do our bit here. Were trying to preserve culture, were trying to preserve our of all preserve our way of life. All of that jazz. Preserve our way of life. All of thatjazz. Heres amount of that jazz. Heres the amount of people end up coming people who could end up coming to countries. Is that to western countries. Is that sustainable . I dont think it is. Frankly , we need to do is. And frankly, we need to do something about it. Would you be willing to change the definition of what a refugee is to which essentially the un said no, in which case in which case is our only option try to protect only option to try to protect ourselves and protect our borders. Keep these emails coming in gb views gbnews. Com loads of them coming in right now, but you get loads more now, but you can get loads more on this story on our website gbnews. Com. Its the fastest gb news. Com. Its the Fastest Growing National News site in the country. The best analysis big opinion and the latest breaking news, but moving on, a convicted murderer has is the peoples channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. Welcome back. It is 522. Youre watching or listening to me, Patrick Christies on gb news now. In a few moments, we will discuss gps training in this country. But then moving abroad. Course, costing abroad. It, of course, costing taxpayers millions pounds taxpayers millions of pounds every this right . Every year. Is this right . Should we have a time frame on the amount of time they have to spend training . Spend in the uk post training . Could enforce but could you even enforce that . But there are growing fears that our pnsons there are growing fears that our prisons becoming breeding prisons are becoming a breeding ground for islamist terrorists and convicted murderer has and a convicted murderer has admitted islamic admitted distributing Islamic State propaganda to fellow prisoners. As danny da silva prisoners. As danny da silva used mobile phones that were smuggled into prison by his sister , rahima da silva. So im sister, rahima da silva. So im joined now by Major General chip chapman , who is the former head chapman, who is the former head of Counter Terrorism at the ministry of defence. Chip, thank you very much. Great to have you on whats the of on the show. Whats the state of play on the show. Whats the state of play our prisons are they play in our prisons and are they jihadi grounds not necessarily. Now, of course, theres no such thing as a closed ecosystem with a prison. Things get in and things get out. As saw with things get out. As we saw with daniel khalife. Daniel khalife. So it be somewhere where so it can be somewhere where people proselytise and are converted. And we saw that because one of the terrorist attacks from the baseline of march 17th happened in january 2020 in a prison hmp whitemoor when a chap called baz hopton was one of the two protagonists trying to behead someone and he was both groomed and converted. So of course the prison population has both people who identify as prison christians , identify as prison christians, muslims and no religion. Muslims and no religion. And all those can be kind of converted. And also it can be seen going to prison as existential, and its a survival strategy for some people to be an in group. But on the other side, we have to be careful because pnson have to be careful because prison is also a setting where it is a dominant setting for both disengagement and de radicalization. And this particular case is an interesting one because it happened before new legislation in 2022. And of course , the in 2022. And of course, the antagonist in this case, danny da silva, has been moved to one of these close supervision centres , which wasnt on the centres, which wasnt on the books when the offences took place because the phones were smuggled in between sort of july smuggled in between sort ofjuly 2020 and january 21st. Okay should jihadis , people whove should jihadis, people whove actually been convicted for terror offences , who are now terror offences, who are now imprisoned, should they be kept in solitary . Should they be kept in solitary . Should they be kept in isolation . Should they be kept in their own jihadi prisons or not . Right. Well, a number of them are. Thats exactly what has happened with these close supervision centres where there are three of them the country. Them now in the country. Indeed, where and indeed, thats where danny is gone. Hes danny da silva is gone. Hes gone to um, to hmp frankland in county durham. So he wont be able to proselytise and all those who are identified as having the most risk to other people are sent to those sorts of environments. Environments. Now, we have to be careful on this because as 33 of those who are sent to prison for jihadi offences are only sentenced to 1 to 4 years, and you might say, well, theyre not very bad terrorists, but often those are proxy offences. Proxy offences. Those people are charged because , you know, theres an because, you know, theres an Early Intervention by the police. You cant get them for sort of serious plotting and thats exactly saw , for exactly what we saw, for example, with the stretton case that when the guy was let out of pnson that when the guy was let out of prison and then went to do a prison and then went on to do a stabbing attack and was lawfully shot police, shot by the by the police, i suppose way of looking suppose another way of looking at this is whats de radicalization prisons. So does it work . Can it ever work . I mean, i can think of at work . I mean, i can think of at least one very high profile example of where it hasnt worked. In fact, the 2 2 of worked. And in fact, the 2 2 of the young people the people, young people who were with to were tasked with helping to de radicalize somebody out of the their heart the goodness of their own heart ended up getting stabbed to death of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Were talking about yeah, of course. Fish were talking about yeah, of course. Fish fishmongersj about yeah, of course. Fish fishmongers hall about yeah, of course. Fish fishmongers hall inrbout the fish fishmongers hall in 2019. There are certain people who are ideologically bullet proof. So the disengagement de radicalization programs , which can also include programs, which can also include a thing called healthy identity into tensions, can work in some people, but of course, like all things because its a human activity, there are other people who can gain the system and thats the difficulty of knowing when people are being, you know, absolute deconverted, as it were , from not from necessarily what we would consider to be bad views. But, you know, you dont views. But, you know, you dont want them to do bad behaviour. So that is go and attack people and kill people. So people are ideologically bullet proof and thats the difficulty with Human Behaviour difficult behaviour. Its very difficult using ai behaviour. Its very difficult using al or Machine Learning and all those great things about big data to predict criminal recidiva ism and terrorist recidivism. Recidivism. But there are you know, there are gangs in prison. Of course are. And from my understanding , are. And from my understanding, one of the more prominent ones now in the increasingly prominent one is islamist gangs. Right. Are there people right. And so are there people in there who are being forced to convert and, you know, take part in whatever kind of radical ideology that might be going on behind closed doors . I mean, is that not something is there any way us to get involved with way for us to get involved with that . I mean, how dangerous how dangerous for society . Dangerous is that for society . Because some point these because at some point these people are going to leave prison i e e yeah, well, of course its dangerous because, said, dangerous because, as i said, this be survival strategy this can be a survival strategy in prison for certain people, you know, be part of an in you know, to be part of an in crowd to make sure that your stay is more amenable stay in prison is more amenable from perspective. Um from your own perspective. Um you know, you never know. Thats thats the problem. And why often we have to surveil people after they come out of prison, even though they might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh they might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to ght been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to 4|t been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to 4 years been in there for only 1 to 4 years as again happened in the stretham case, because we knew he was still a threat, but hed done his term. Thats the way that the law and justice is deemed to work. You cant just lock door and throw away the lock the door and throw away the key only rare cases, key. Only in very rare cases, like, for example , one of the like, for example, one of the lee rigby killers. So, you know, lee rigby killers. So, you know, thats the things work. And thats the way things work. And it be if didnt, it would be wrong if it didnt, because thats the way common law. Over law is developed. Over a thousand the uk. Thousand years in the uk. Soft, do you are we too soft, do you think . Think that people think . Do you think that people who radical just who are radical islamists just dont and just see dont fear prison and just see it as a recruiting ground . Do you that they that they you think that they that they dont really care . Because i suppose serving suppose for them theyre serving a higher power, arent they . They really acknowledge they dont really acknowledge british dont british law. They dont acknowledge our acknowledge the norms of our society. So does it bother them . No, it wouldnt bother a number of them. And of course, jihadi jihadism is all about that, you know, rejection of democracy and the rules of law and only allah is the sole god giver. And so it wouldnt work. Giver. And so it wouldnt work. It wouldnt bother them. But in terms legislative, terms of legislative, legislative , since those legislative stuff, since those attacks that you mentioned, really between 2017 and 2020, a lot of the law has changed. So, for example, theres no early parole. So people now will serve the sentence that is deemed to be. Oh, thats interesting. Chip. Talk to me about that. So, okay, so i wasnt aware of that. On. So if youre that. So go on. So, so if youre sentenced a terror offence, that. So go on. So, so if youre senten no a terror offence, that. So go on. So, so if youre senten no early terror offence, that. So go on. So, so if youre senten no early parole, ffence, that. So go on. So, so if youre senten no early parole, is nce, that. So go on. So, so if youre senten no early parole, is that theres no early parole, is that right . Have to be that doesnt have to be anymore and that an anymore. And again, that was an outcome fishmongers outcome of the fishmongers fishmongers attack because fishmongers hall attack because , of course, of those , of course, one of those attackers was was out early, halfway through his sentence. Halfway through his sentence. Well, that is interesting. I suppose thats a step in the right direction. Anyway, its worth noting as well, chip, i must say, the one thing that always gets me is a lot of the authorities , m15, will come out authorities, m15, will come out and go, right. The fastest and go, right. Look, the Fastest Growing at the moment growing threat at the moment is far right. Far yeah far right. Its far right. Yeah okay. Obviously it is. Okay. I mean, obviously it is. No. Any kind of ideology along those lines is, of course, a threat starting from a much lower base, though, isnt it . And i ovennhelmingly the and i think ovennhelmingly the biggest is islamist biggest threat is islamist terror. Right saying terror. Am i right in saying that . Yeah, you would be right in terms of both investigations and those prison. Let me be those in prison. So let me be clear on what the real figures are here, though. So the number of prisoners in prison of terrorist prisoners in prison at the moment is 234, of which 152 are islamists. Yes, that is 65 islamist, 27 right wing. And 8 other. And what is interesting about the other 8 is a growing number. The other thatis is a growing number. The other that is so for example, weve seen example of eco terrorism. Seen example of eco terrorism. Weve seen the Conspiracy Theory guy convicted for terrorism. And so those are the sort of also areas which are growing. Well, i is fascinating, chip, youre a font of knowledge. Thank you very, very much. As chip chapman there, of course, who is doing some stellar work, former head of Counter Terrorism at the ministry defence. At the ministry of defence. Theres wonder he knows this theres no wonder he knows this stuff, theres loads stuff, is it . Now, theres loads more between now more still to come. Between now and 6 pm. Well have a look at the report that the alarming report that highlights just how many gps are going im asking going abroad now im asking whether are basically whether or not we are basically training other training up staff for other countries Health Services , countries Health Services, whether okay. Weve been whether thats okay. Weve been doing the world for doing it to the world for a number of years now, havent we . So our turn . What can so is it just our turn . What can be this . There any be done about this . Is there any way we can i suppose , force way that we can i suppose, force gps and doctors to stay in this country once theyve trained for a number of years . I dont know if really allowed, is it . If thats really allowed, is it . But now its your headlines with polly. Patrick Polly Middlehurst. 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So the taxpayer is paying millions of pounds to train up doctors who never work for the nhs. A shock report has revealed that less than half of trainee gps end up getting full time jobs with our Health Service. So jobs with our Health Service. So an increasing number of doctors and nurses are moving to countries like australia to look. They have apparently better pay , supposedly better better pay, supposedly better working conditions. I better pay, supposedly better working conditions. I think possibly maybe a better way of life in australia as well. I dont know. The weather is certainly good, but im joined now commentator certainly good, but im joined now ibrahim commentator certainly good, but im joined now ibrahim com|thanktor reem ibrahim reem, thank you very, okay. So very, very much. Right. Okay. So look, an issue is this . Look, how big an issue is this . What can be done about it . There appears to be ongoing appears to be an ongoing discrepancy and an argument that is the moment as to is raging at the moment as to whether they really do whether or not they really do have to pay back things like Student Loans. People are supposed to, but a question supposed to, but its a question of enforcement. So is the taxpayer out here . Whats taxpayer losing out here . Whats going on . The taxpayer is absolutely losing out here. But this isnt just the case for doctors and nurses or for gps. This is the case for effectively every single student in the country. Single student in the country. Unfortunately, as a result of a lot of those sort of mickey mouse does mean that mouse degrees, it does mean that the footing the bill the taxpayer is footing the bill for many of those people that dont up earning over the dont end up earning over the £27,000 threshold. But back to gps, report does show that gps, this report does show that effectively there are huge amounts of people that are getting trained in this country and remember we have got a huge amount of weve got a cap on the amount of weve got a cap on the amount medical in this amount of medical places in this country. So mean theres already country. So mean theres already a shortage. And then that a shortage. And then that then means those people end means a lot of those people end up now, you could up leaving. Now, you could hardly blame them. Working conditions in the nhs are pretty dire , but there are more than dire, but there are more than 7. 6 Million People on waiting lists every single time we hear the new figure, its even higher. Government have absolutely. The government have absolutely failed the nhs and to failed to reform the nhs and to solve that. But ultimately the solution is to get those people into contracts that mean that they have stay here. They have to stay here. Okay, so at the moment we have a cap on the amount, which i think is ridiculous. Why on earth have we cap on the earth have we got a cap on the amount of people can amount of people that we can train medical train to do medical professionals but professionals in our nhs . But well park that weve got well park that there. Weve got a cap on that and then those a cap on that and then of those people, increasing number of people, an increasing number of those people are leaving at the first opportunity. So we are overtly training up people now for other peoples Health Services , arent they . This is services, arent they . This is what the rest of the world must have felt like for years. Have felt like for years. Ultimately what this is well, ultimately what this is doing is that weve got a cap on the number of places. So it means were already means that were already restricting the number people means that were already restrare|g the number people means that were already restrare|g the trained� people means that were already restrare|g the trained in people means that were already restrare|g the trained in this ple that are being trained in this country. Also know country. But we also know a lot of those public were of those Public Sector. Were thinking about Public Sector pay thinking about Public Sector pay. Think about it pay. Weve got to think about it in relation to public spending. And, you know, were already spending and, you know, were already sp the ng and, you know, were already sp the nhs on fortunately, on the nhs on fortunately, because nhs workers and for that matter every Public Sector worker, their pay is not decided by supply and demand in the market. It which effectively means the government decide how much worth. Of much theyre worth. Now of course, know, doctors and course, as we know, doctors and nurses country paid nurses in this country are paid significantly less when compared to other , more free market to other, more Free Market Health systems. The Health Care Systems. The solution is therefore to either allow those individuals to get into contracts as their Student Loans are being repaid or actually let them go. Well , let them go or shackle well, let them go or shackle them here and say to them , you them here and say to them, you can you can only get a student loan for your medical training if you stay in this country for five years after youve completed it. Completed it. Thats definitely a feasible system. But ultimately, the system. But ultimately, the problem with this with this country in the way that our student loan system works is that theres no fiscal connection between students and the university. Its done the university. Its all done through government through the government effectively, through effectively, again, done through the so means the taxpayer. So it means that when go university and when i go to university and i get my loan, i have no financial connection no accountability connection and no accountability with the university. So i can just up and leave and effectively , you know, be able effectively, you know, be able to pay that back. Can you. Can you. Right. Can you clarify something me here . Okay. Something for me here . Okay. Because this is and i have been furiously googling this. Weve were working on this before the show. And every single time we look at this, i appear to be given some different information. We all appear to be given a bit different information about whether i was whether or not, if i was a Junior Doctor and i did my training here and then i went to australia, not australia, whether or not i would have to pay that student loan if i stayed in loan back if i stayed in australia forever or america forever. And just didnt pay that back , even though that is that back, even though that is money that i knew i owed. Is anyone actually coming for me to get that money off me . I dont anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oney off me . I dont anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oneyare me . I dont anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oneyare they . Dont think they are, are they . The is enforced so the problem is enforced payment. Theoretically, yes. Payment. So theoretically, yes. You do have pay it back at you do have to pay it back at any time you take any loan, you have to pay it back. The problem is this a government is that this is a government loan with the Student Loans company. Because company. So because the government effectively company. So because the governmeni bill, effectively company. So because the governmeni bill, effetaxpayer footing the bill, the taxpayer is footing the those is footing the bill for those loans. Its not necessarily being in that way. Being enforced in that way. There many people dont there are many people that dont pay there are many people that dont pay their Student Loans as there are many people that dont p. Result their Student Loans as there are many people that dont p. Result ofheir Student Loans as there are many people that dont p. Result of leavingient loans as there are many people that dont p. Result of leaving the loans as there are many people that dont p. Result of leaving the countrys a result of leaving the country , being chased , and theyre not being chased up , and theyre not being chased p by by , and theyre not being chased up by by the government or by the loans company, for the Student Loans company, for that matter. The Student Loans company, for tha no, |tter. The Student Loans company, for tha no, exactly. This is so the Student Loans company, for tha cynicxactly. This is so the Student Loans company, for tha cynic in tly. This is so the Student Loans company, for tha cynic in me this is so the Student Loans company, for tha cynic in me would; is so the Student Loans company, for tha cynic in me would say, io the Student Loans company, for tha cynic in me would say, well, the cynic in me would say, well, not the cynic in just me. Not the cynic in me, just me. Id say if i wanted to get medical training at a world class level with an internationally renowned degree , i would get a student loan in britain, i would train here, and then i would leave and move to australia and earn a load of money or more money for in a better system , a system that better system, a system that were not really allowed to implement here for whatever reason politically. Obe and then reason politically. Obe and then ijust reason politically. Obe and then i just would decide not to pay back my student loan and id never come back to britain and that would probably be all right, it . Right, wouldnt it . Exactly what you so. Patrick exactly what you said. The cynic in you said tells you that you cant implement that kind of system in this well, actually, this country. Well, actually, thats exactly the problem, right . A broken right . The nhs is a broken system. I dont blame students for not wanting to work here. But youre absolutely right. Its that british its unfair that british taxpayers are footing the bill for Student Loans for students that effectively are not that are effectively are not then being not working this then being not working in this country. The solution then is to, again, can reform those to, again, we can reform those contracts if they are decided by supply and demand. You can also make those loans are make sure that those loans are not paid for the not being paid for by the taxpayer. We can taxpayer. But actually we can allow contracts to be to allow those contracts to be to sort again , require those sort of, again, require those workers work in this country. Workers to work in this country. But would fix the incentive but that would fix the incentive problem. But really, the problem , the root of the problem here is that the is broken and is that the nhs is broken and that lot of people want to that a lot of people do want to work theyre not work here because theyre not being paid enough, because working conditions arent great enough. Working conditions arent great erthe h. Working conditions arent great erthe nhs not necessarily the contract. Well, yeah, possibly, but then i also speak to gps and very quickly when you start pressing they refuse pressing them on it, they refuse to how much that to tell you how much money that theyre earn. They theyre going to earn. They refuse tell what pay theyre going to earn. They refu would all what pay theyre going to earn. They refu would mean what pay theyre going to earn. They refu would mean forlat pay theyre going to earn. They refu would mean for them pay rise would mean for them financially. Then all of a suddenit financially. Then all of a sudden it starts to go into what we spent, however much money that we spent on the coronation, we amount on we spent this amount of money on the how the queens funeral. Look how much then much mps get paid. And then i start to think, hang on a minute, arent you going on to strike with strike coincide with the conservative Party Conference and demonstration and holding a demonstration in manchester . Is actually manchester . Or is it actually maybe political as maybe a little bit political as well . It is. Im well . Oh, yes, it is. And im sorry, but do think its sorry, but i do think its flipping that would sorry, but i do think its flip the that would sorry, but i do think its flip the taxpayerhat would sorry, but i do think its flip the taxpayer tot would sorry, but i do think its flip the taxpayer to pay would sorry, but i do think its flip the taxpayer to pay for uld get the taxpayer to pay for however years of medical however many years of medical school i think you would school it is. I think you would swan off to australia and not pay swan off to australia and not pay and then complain pay that back and then complain about that situation here. Maybe, thats just me. But maybe, maybe thats just me. But anyway, there we go. Reem, thank you very much. Reem ibrahim there is of course there who is of course a political commentator and a friend the friend of political commentator and a frieishow. he friend of political commentator and a frieishow. he a friend of political commentator and a frieishow. he a welshiend of political commentator and a frieishow. he a Welsh Government the show. Now a Welsh Government minister survived a vote of minister has survived a vote of no confidence about the no confidence as anger about the countrys controversial 20 mile an limit shows no an hour speed limit shows no signs of away. Its even signs of going away. Its even playing havoc with bus services in rural areas. No no, not Rural Bus Services in wales. But bus services in wales. But theres more to it than meets theres more to it than meets the eye here. And i will tell you why when i come back. On gb news, the peoples. Channel a reminder now of the news that we broke just a few minutes ago. Several people have been killed following shootings in rotterdam. Police say a gunman rotterdam. Police say a gunman opened fire in a flat and then a medical centre in the dutch city. They also said that fires had broken out at both locations. A 32 year old man has been arrested. So, yep, just to recap then of that breaking news, which is as we understand it, several people have been killed following shootings in rotterdam. A gunman apparently opened fire in a flat and then in a medical centre. They said that fires had broken out at both of those locations. But a 32 year old man has been arrested. We will have more on this story in our 6 00 bulletins as we spent a lot of todays show, though, of course, talking about whether or not the uk should leave the echr Suella Braverman has apparently been authorised to buy downing street to the idea after european to float the idea after european judges blocked the rwanda flight and hot off the press of her talking about refugees and whether should the whether we should change the International Definition of a refugee to suit the modern era. But sunak has been talking but rishi sunak has been talking about that the about Something Else that the home discussed home secretary discussed in his big. Now, braverman big speech today. Now, braverman said that multicultural ism has failed in europe and sunak has now refused to endorse that claim. So he said , and i think claim. So he said, and i think that this is something that is incredible about this country. Is it sorry . It is. I think i should say, a fantastic multicultural democracy. We have done an incredible job of integrating people into society. And one of the lovely things about getting the job i have as the first person from my background to hold this job, thats a wonderful thing. But its also not a big deal in our country. And i think that speaks country. And i think that speaks to the progress that weve made over the years and how far weve come and something we should all be collectively incredibly proud of , of not really answer the of, of not really answer the question then really, how is he about whether or not multiculturalism has indeed worked failed in this worked or failed in this country . I think there are huge elements of it obviously working. I mean , you just have working. I mean, you just have to at weve got as our to look at who weve got as our Prime Minister, who weve as Prime Minister, who weve got as our home secretary, who we previously had as our chancellor. I mean, you could go on, right . Go all on, right . You could go on all day of things. Day about that kind of things. People of people rising to positions of power, not just in politics, but in the corporate in the in the corporate world, in the broadcasting world, and the media walks media world in all walks of life, people who of life, people who are of different ethnic minority backgrounds different ethnic minority backgrou and different cultures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, fferent cultures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, ffe course, tures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, ffe course, in es. Yeah, i mean, of course, in some ways multiculturalism has definitely. But then you definitely worked. But then you can contrast that quite easily , can contrast that quite easily, cant you, with things that are going leicester, for going on in leicester, for example, where there was massive tensions between muslim and tensions between the muslim and the elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat look elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat look inlements of that you can look at in certain parts of bradford or even parts manchester even parts of manchester where you could make a serious case for multiculturalism having having worked certainly having not worked certainly integration, not having worked. Integration, not having worked. And i think what Suella Braverman was trying to talk about the speed of it and about was the speed of it and the is happening too the rate of it is happening too quickly cant really quickly and we cant really absorb of that stuff just absorb all of that stuff just from political perspective from a political perspective there. Think there there. Do you not think there rishi could have there. Do you not think there rishi more could have there. Do you not think there rishi more back could have there. Do you not think there rishi more back cou homee done more to back his home secretary . There could he have come spoken more come out and spoken more strongly what shed said strongly about what shed said he could have said, couldnt say, this is what she say, look, this is what she meant. I endorse he didnt meant. I endorse it. He didnt say a bit of say that there was a bit of waffle, was caught waffle, but maybe he was caught on hop. Waffle, but maybe he was caught on hop. However, different on the hop. However, a different story to round us off. The welsh minister behind the 20 mile an hour speed limit across the country, believe it or not, faced a vote of no confidence. But is the war on motorists ever going to end . So deputy Climate Change minister lee waters , as change minister lee waters, as he easily survived the vote. But the fact is one was brought nonetheless. In fact, theres been a petition in wales against the 20 mile an hour zone. The 20 mile an hour zone. Several hundred thousand people have signed this petition. But he did promise to listen to angry drivers who had almost cost him his job. I mean, its one thing listening to them. Its another thing doing anything about it, isnt it . The speed limit is disrupting public transport. They with bus transport. So they say with bus services across rural wales delayed routes even delayed and some routes even being forced to change to try and its almost and stay on time, its almost like wasnt properly like this wasnt properly thought isnt it . Thought through, isnt it . Joining more on this joining me now for more on this is member of the senate for is the member of the senate for north wales. Its sam rowlands. Sam, much. Sam, thank you very, very much. Its hour its 20 mile an hour speed limit, a terrible idea. Limit, just a terrible idea. Absolutely. And the people of wales are making their voices heard through the petition that you mentioned, over 400,000 people have now signed that petition. And thats more people than voted for the labour party at the last Senate Elections here in wales. So people are frustrated, theyre angry. They dont feel like being listened to. And Welsh Government really need to buck up their ideas. Need to buck up their ideas. Okay. I mean, look, realistically, how bad is this . Okay. I mean, look, realjustilly, how bad is this . Okay. I mean, look, realjust drive ow bad is this . Okay. I mean, look, realjust drive av bad is this . Okay. I mean, look, realjust drive a little is this . Okay. I mean, look, realjust drive a little bit his . You just drive a little bit slower. Whats the problem . I think its just the way its been implemented on a blanket basis. You know , none of blanket basis. You know, none of us have a problem and understand when we need to slow down a little bit outside schools, outside perhaps hospitals or those heavily pedestrianised areas. Whats happened is 97 of roads that were previously 30mph are now 20mph. It doesnt seem much of a logical thing. King much of a logical thing. King behind it, its just a blanket position that the government had decided to take, okay . And now im going to read this note. So a person is around five times more likely to be killed when hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 miles an hour than vehicle than they are from a vehicle travelling an hour travelling at 20 miles an hour that would be the Public Health and safety argument for driving at 20 miles an hour. I suppose some people might say, well, well, where does that end then . Do ultimately ban cars do we ultimately ban cars altogether . I mean, is that a good enough argument for you . Do you think, to reduce it to 20 miles an hour . The safety . Miles an hour . The safety . Well, its obviously People Safety is paramount, but we all balance risks every single day of our lives. And government, in my view, shouldnt be there to try and restrict people. Perhaps to the level its doing at the moment here in wales. The other aspect of this is that Welsh Government , its own figures show government, its own figures show that this is going to cost the economy in wales £4. 5 billion. Now wales is already back of the queue. I dont, i dont doubt that by the way, but, but, but how, how is driving slower going to cost the economy four and a bit. Billion to calculate billion pounds to calculate thats a standard calculation through the treasury which basically takes into account the fact everyones going to fact that everyones going to take bit longer, sat in take a little bit longer, sat in their time equals money, of their cars time equals money, of course. Their cars time equals money, of course more time sat in cars so more time sat in cars means less time being productive. You think about the types people delivery types of people our delivery drivers, town and our care drivers, about town and our care workers who are going from one home to the other. All these people are going to take a lot longer to do the longer for them to do the work that they would usually do. You mentioned public transport as that they would usually do. You meexample. Public transport as that they would usually do. You meexample. There transport as that they would usually do. You meexample. There aransport as that they would usually do. You meexample. There a bus port as that they would usually do. You meexample. There a bus service an example. There a bus service is impacted massively. An example. There a bus service is goingnpacted massively. An example. There a bus service is goingnpactecthemiively. An example. There a bus service is goingnpactecthem millions its going to cost them millions of more to deliver the of pounds more to deliver the services that all desperately need. I mean, was there a massive clamour for this . I mean, i get that theres always theres clamour for this . I mean, i get that thnthe; always theres clamour for this . I mean, i get that thnthe odd ays theres clamour for this . I mean, i get that thnthe odd resident,� s clamour for this . I mean, i get that thnthe odd resident, isnt always the odd resident, isnt there, of there, that hates the idea of someone using their road as a cut through and they stand outside a hairdryer outside with a hairdryer pretending it a speed pretending for it to be a speed gun. And they try and slow people down. We all those people down. We all know those people. But was there people. But i mean, was there a wales wide clamour to make everyone drive slower . Where did this this this come from . Is this just some know, some some some some, you know, some some bloke that they bloke or woman decided that they had difference and had to make a difference and stamp mark welsh stamp their mark on welsh society. And this is how theyre going it. Going to do it. Well, i havent noticed the clamour and clearly clamour clamour and clearly the clamour seems to be the opposite way actually. And Welsh Government clearly room clearly havent read the room when it comes to Public Opinion here in wales. And indeed, i guess United Kingdom guess across the United Kingdom. But lets just go back to the point its absolutely right that speed should be reduced in those places are places where those risks are high as a blanket position. Its not people of not right. And the people of wales rightfully speaking wales are rightfully speaking out against him. Okay. Right. Look, out against him. Okay. Right. Look, thank you all right. Look, thank you very, for your time. Very, very much for your time. Great to have you on the show. Of course. And hey, were talking this another day. Talking about this another day. Maybe its reversed, for want maybe if its reversed, for want of a better phrase. Sam rowlands there, who a member of the there, who is a member of the senate for north wales. Look, i just want finish by giving just want to finish by giving you an update, you a little bit of an update, some information through some information coming through about on in about whats been going on in rotten we brought rotten ham. We brought that to you while about you a little while ago about shooting multiple casualties shooting and multiple casualties in rotterdam. So deaths have now been reported following it says twin shootings in the dutch city of rotterdam. A gunman of rotterdam. A gunman apparently first opened fire at apparently first opened fire at a house and then at a large universe, city medical centre. Universe, city medical centre. Its understood that there may well have been fires that broke out at both those sites as well. Staff were seen fleeing the medical facility. Police raided the building and there have been fatalities. But the exact specific number of those has not yet been released. A 32 year old man has been arrested. He was reportedly taken into custody there as well. And apparently there as well. And apparently there as well. And apparently there will be a press conference taking place shortly. We will taking place shortly. We will have more information on that as and when we get it. Apparently, and when we get it. Apparently, the gunman opened fire at the rotterdam medical centre. Thats according to the local police there. And like i said, fires broke out at both those locations as it currently stands, we do not know , though, stands, we do not know, though, how many people have died or been injured, but of course, its a deeply concerning situation. And he has no motive situation. And he has no motive for the attack has yet been given. So no motive yet given. But a 32 year old man has been arrested in connection with these twin shootings that are taking place in rotterdam. There will be no doubt more on this as and when we get to it with our bulletins right here at gb news. Okay. Thats it from me today. And thank you very much for everybody whos been tuning in, whos whos whos been emailing in, whos been getting touch social been getting in touch on social media and all that jazz. Its media and all thatjazz. Its been to great have you on been to great have you all on board we back board for the show. Are we back again at £0. 03 pm . Again tomorrow at £0. 03 pm . But up again tomorrow at £0. 03 pm . But up as can see on your up next, as you can see on your screens youre screens there, if youre watching online your watching me online or on your tv, c0 watching me online or on your tv, co michelle tv, it is dewbs co Michelle Dewberry be in hot seat dewberry will be in the hot seat for next so stay for the next hour. So stay tuned. Patrick christys tuned. Lisbon Patrick Christys on gb news. Thank you very much, everybody. Tomorrow at three. Good afternoon. Im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Were going to wet overnight. To turn quite wet overnight. Some that rain likely be some of that rain likely to be heavy places least for heavy in places and at least for a itll get pretty a while itll get pretty blustery too. All thanks to low pressure. Agnes pressure. Storm agnes has cleared the north, but cleared away to the north, but theres more heading theres a couple more heading in from not quite as from the west. Not quite as potent, but still to going bring us a wet and windy spell, particularly south particularly for parts of south wales have a met wales where we do have a met office. Warning in place office. Yellow warning in place for most for the heavy rain, but most areas will see a spell wet areas will see a spell of wet weather through the night. Parts of midlands and eastern of the midlands and Eastern England also seeing fairly england also seeing some fairly intense downpours clearing away for early for many through the early hours. Showers going hours. Well keep showers going across north west scotland and temperatures mostly holding up in double digits onto friday. And for the most part , its and for the most part, its a fine day. Early doors, some cloud and rain across east anglia in the south east, but that should be gone around or soon hour. Then lots soon after rush hour. Then lots of showers packing into western scotland and theyll going scotland and theyll keep going through 2 through the day. 1 or 2 scattered elsewhere , but scattered showers elsewhere, but many dry and bright, many places dry and bright, a bit sunshine probably than bit more sunshine probably than today wales , today for parts of east wales, southern Eastern England. A southern and Eastern England. A bit of a breeze, but still feeling quite pleasant in the sunshine. Across the sunshine. 21 across the south east, elsewhere, mostly in the teens , feeling the high teens, feeling pretty fresh wind fresh with that gusty wind across thatll be across the far north. Thatll be lighter on saturday, although still showers across still some showers across shetland. Places start fine shetland. Many places start fine and the east will stay that way on saturday. But look at this more and windy weather more wet and windy weather coming areas coming into Western Areas through day. Temperatures through the day. Temperatures again in the south east over 20 degrees. But elsewhere feeling cooler rain wind cooler as more rain and wind arrive i michelle, thank you. Well, lets bring you the latest headunes lets bring you the latest headlines this hour