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Afternoon from the gb newsroom. Its 3 01. The lawyers representing the families of two of lucy letby victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the former nurses conviction yesterday. It will look at the circumstance surrounding the deaths and incidents , including how incidents, including how concerns raised by clinicians were dealt with. In a statement, were dealt with. In a statement, the lawyer said the inquiry doesnt have the power to compel witnesses to provide evidence or produce documents and therefore it lacks real teeth. Let be was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday, six a therapist, Lucy Beresford , says therapist, Lucy Beresford, says her personality may have helped her personality may have helped her avoid suspicion for so long. Her colleagues found her very warm and approachable and likeable and the paediatrician who tried to raise the alarm about her allegedly at one point thought to himself, oh about her allegedly at one point thought to himself , oh gosh, not thought to himself, oh gosh, not nice. Lucy because there was a side to her that was very genial and thats what makes her crimes so doubly shocking that she could have this exterior of normality and pleasantness , but normality and pleasantness, but actually be capable of these crimes. Crimes. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of saira sharif in connection with her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sarahs stepmother, uncle and five children a day before sarahs body was discovered. Detectives say she suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the channel during storm betty , coastguard and storm betty, coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the sea in treacherous conditions, at least three were intercepted in uk waters this morning. Gb news understands around 100 people were on board. It comes as just a week after six migrants drowned attempt the crossing age uk says hundreds of thousands of older people missed out on Financial Support for their energy bills. The Charity Claims more than 700,000 households didnt receive help from the Energy Bills Support Scheme. Alternative fund. It was set up for people with non direct supply arrangements such as those living in care homes , those living in care homes, mobile homes or on boats. But mobile homes or on boats. But age uk says the fund had completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. A and a lack of publicity. A protest over the closure of Railway Ticket offices will be staged outside downing street later this month. The rmt union later this month. The rmt union says it will stage a mass rally on the 31st of august, which is the last day of the consultation process. It warns the move to close up to 1000 offices will put more than 2000 jobs at risk. The planned action comes as Cross Country train workers staged the first of four strikes over working conditions. Rmt members will also walk out over the next three saturdays. A the next three saturdays. A state of emergency has been declared in canadas Western Province of british columbia, where wildfires are threatening homes. Thousands of people have been evacuated from the area as fires burn in the hills and mountains above west kelowna. Strong winds are fanning the flames with a fire Service Warning the blaze could reach the outskirts of the city by this weekend. Canada is facing this weekend. Canada is facing its worst season on record with more than 1000 active fires burning across the country. The burning across the country. The manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the first time. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria , could card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. Manager Sarina Wiegman says its the same as any other game. Any other game. I never take anything for granted, but also now playing another finals. Yeah what i said is really special, but we just preparing for a game and yes it is a final , but we dont do is a final, but we dont do anything different than we do normally. Normally. Well, captain millie bright says theyll have to play the game of their lives. I think everyone knows how big this is. I think its been players dreams for years. So i think everyone already knows that. And we know how passionate our nation is back home and how much theyd theyd want us to win. But for us as a process, we have a game execute. And have a game plan to execute. And like sabrina said, we need to play like sabrina said, we need to play game our lives. Play the game of our lives. Long to go now. Well, and not long to go now. Well, this news across uk on this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on Smart Speaker by and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now though its back to dawn. Its back to dawn. Thank you, tamsin. Thank you, tamsin. Welcome back. Coming up this welcome back. Coming up this houn welcome back. Coming up this hour, comedian Frances Foster will be making light of this weeks top stories in muck, the week. Feel like that needs some sort of theme tune. And heres what else is coming up today. World cup fever, you might have noticed theres a little teeny game going on teeny Football Game going on tomorrow sweeping the country. Apart from some men, obviously. Well be looking ahead to tomorrows history making final. Plus, having a good laugh at some of the petitions, scrambling to support the team and could Artificial Intelligence save the nhs. 7 well, somethings got to, hasnt it. 7 and meanwhile, the government has revealed plans to fast track the introduction of ai into hospitals. I mean, what could possibly go wrong. 7 could this be possibly go wrong . Could this be the solution the problem . And 7 and then at 335, a change of tone. Well be looking at the psychology behind what drives a monster like nurse lucy. Let me , after yesterdays let me, after yesterdays momentous verdict, i cant like everybody, this story is just a horrifying but really , really horrifying but really, really important insight into what was what has happened with this story. And at the end of the hour, its a political spotlight now featuring deputy leader of the labour party, Angela Rayner, has let her hair down and possibly more at the Edinburgh Fringe festival this week, revealing details about her personal life. She is copped praise and plenty of criticism and well be digging into what exactly she revealed. Thats all coming up revealed. Thats all coming up in the next hour. But tell me what you think on everything were discussing by emailing gb views at gb news or tweet me at gb news. Very simple. Right . Gb news. Very simple. Right . Its saturday afternoon. Its saturday afternoon. Lets have some fun, shall we . Its time to muck the week. We . Its time to muck the week. No, theres still no theme tune slacking. And as we say on slacking. And as we say on nanas show , what a mucky week nanas show, what a mucky week its been. And its been especially mucky for our comedy scene. Yes, exactly. Despite the scene. Yes, exactly. Despite the Edinburgh Fringe show in full swing, cancel culture has struck again. And comedian graham again. And comedian Graham Linehan is the creator of father ted and a troupe of other comedians work cancelled by the leith arches venue over apparently holding transphobic views. Well, so much for a free views. Well, so much for a free speech at a comedy festival that is all about being alternative, right . Okay, so lets find out right . Okay, so lets find out what exactly has been going off now in edinburgh lyneham , now in edinburgh lyneham, linehan cancelled not once, but twice. Isnt he third time. Yeah. Because he had to perform actually outside the Scottish Parliament building because the two venues that are booked him actually bowed down to bullying, i think you call it to be honest with right now joining me to with you right now joining me to delve a fun way into delve down in a fun way into this story is comedian Frances Foster. And now frances, free speech dead at the Edinburgh Fringe , which is all about free fringe, which is all about free speech and comedy. What happens . You were you involved in this . Arent you . Arent you . Well, no, i wasnt involved in cancellation. No, thats in his cancellation. No, thats not i did, actually. Thats not what i did, actually. Thats why im here to see. Why im here. Im here to see. Explain. Why cancel graham . No huge graham work. Huge fan of graham and his work. A genius. A comedic genius. Dont use those words lightly. Responsible for such brilliant programmes as bros. I the it crowd, father ted black books, etcetera, etcetera. But what youre seeing in comedy is fascinating because its not the Edinburgh Fringe festival , its Edinburgh Fringe festival, its the edinburgh conformity festival. And what it means is festival. And what it means is if you stray beyond certain parameters of what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable suitable, you will be cancelled. And what is really interesting is you look at that line up. Then was one comedian then there was one comedian on line up is on that line up who is a traditional conspiracy theorist i he believes in quite far out conspiracies, but thats great. Thats his right. Thats his right. No one, no one has a problem with that. No one has a problem with that. No one has a problem with the fact that hes a little with that. No one has a problem wit tonto. Act that hes a little with that. No one has a problem wit tonto. Act graham. A little with that. No one has a problem wit tonto. Act graham comesa bit tonto. Yet graham comes along says, you know what . Along and says, you know what . Maybe a 12 maybe a woman cant have a 12 inch maybe a woman cant have a 12 inciout go, mate. Out you go, mate. Out you go, mate. Doors there, son. The doors over there, son. Family viewing , right. Family viewing, right. Family viewing, right. Okay. Yeah, im not going to dwell on that particular. So but this is its insane because this is all about actually , all is all about actually, all graham did was talk about womens rights. And this is something that amazing comedians like Ricky Gervais, Ricky Gervais make jokes about, you know, womens rights and the transphobic debate , but hes transphobic debate, but hes selling out stadiums around the world. So why do we have a problem with someone like graham, a small a small venue . Graham, a small a small venue . Lets be honest in edinburgh, because the reality is ricky is so big that hes essentially un cancelable. Cancelable. Same with dave chappelle. When you get to a certain level of success and notoriety and fame and you can generate millions and millions of dollars for Companies Like netflix or amazon and you can fill out stadiums around the world, nobody is going to want to cancel you because everybodys making penny off it. But someone like graham, who cant command that type of revenue , all of sudden he revenue, all of a sudden he becomes fair game for this type of behaviour. Of behaviour. Weve got and meanwhile weve got frankie jokes about Frankie Boyle making jokes about rape banned rape and graham was also banned from twitter at point, from twitter at one point, wasnt who let the taliban wasnt he, who let the taliban have account . Have an account . Yeah, absolutely. We all yeah, absolutely. But we all know graham more know that graham has far more problematic views in the taliban. Well, course taliban. Well, yeah, of course. Well, yeah, of course. I yeah, i mean, you i mean, yeah, i mean, you have say as well, the taliban have to say as well, the taliban are pretty gender critical. Can yeah, they okay. They can be. Yeah, they dont a very high opinion dont have a very high opinion of unlike yes. Of women, unlike graham. Yes. Who women who actually just supports women. I see. Lets talk. I dont see. But lets talk balls, shall we . Yes. As in footballs as in the tiny weeny. I think its a world cup going on tomorrow morning, 11 00. No ones mentioned it much. Yes. What do you make about all the fuss around this and the fact men arent fact that some men arent getting be involved as they getting be as involved as they should be . Getting be as involved as they shoyou be . Getting be as involved as they shoyou think that men should be you think that men should be involved . What about the men that like football wives that dont like football wives if like football that dont like football wives if if like football that dont like football wives if if liidont tball that dont like football wives if if liidont want to games, if they dont want to watch it . E football . Do you like football . Do you like football . Football, yeah. I do like football, yeah. Okay. No, no one okay. Yeah. Well, no, no, no one should forced to watch it. Should be forced to watch it. Im were going to im glad you were going to advocate people to be forced. Girls try actually, yeah. Girls try your husbands not in that your husbands up. Not in that way. Not way. Obviously were not going down road. Sure down that road. Make sure theyre watching down that road. Make sure thande watching down that road. Make sure thand enjoying watching down that road. Make sure thand enjoying it, watching down that road. Make sure thand enjoying it, because 1g down that road. Make sure thand enjoying it, because some it and enjoying it, because some of those goals spectacular. Of those goals are spectacular. Now the that is this now its the fact that is this making womens football more acceptable to boys. I mean, youre a what you think . Youre a boy. What do you think . Make it more well, is it make it more acceptable . Look, i think acceptable . Look, i think i actually i dont actually think its important that its its that important that its making acceptable to making it more acceptable to men. Im being honest, men. If im being honest, i think thats completely irrelevant. Whats irrelevant. I think whats actually important actually more important is that it goes into sport. I was it gets goes into sport. I was in the other day, i was walking down the road in london and i saw a little girl and she was wearing an england shirt. I think that is absolutely brilliant. Think that is absolutely brilliant. But i think brilliant. But i dont think that anybody should be pressured into. Going that anybody should be pressured into. Going to that anybody should be pressured into. Going to watch it. That anybody should be pressured into. Going to watch it. Im not going to go and watch it. I am going to go and watch it. I am going to go and watch it. I am going to do dawn what a sunday morning is meant for, and im going oppenheimer im going to watch oppenheimer. Im going to watch oppenheimer. Im going story a going to watch the story of a man designed man who basically designed some technology , which is going technology, which is going to mean world for us mean the end of the world for us in years. Thats how in about 30 years. Thats how you sunday morning. You spend a sunday morning. Not to going watch you are not to going watch the you know , graham the football. You know, graham lynam the only comedian lynam isnt the only comedian about to get cancelled this week. Joining that list. You could be joining that list. And finally, word on. And finally, a quick word on the great museum heist, the great. Whats that about . Well, i find it ironic, really, because if you want you know what lets just put it know what the lets just put it like this British Museum is taking artefacts from all around the world and collecting it in one place. Now, as i explained to a greek ex girlfriend of mine , we needed that, darling, we needed to do that, darling, because was you, you because if it was up to you, you would ruined them. You would have ruined them. And you didnt properly. Didnt look after them properly. You british to do you needed the british to do that anyway. Broken that anyway. Weve broken up now. Why, no, now. I dont know why, but no, i cant why. Possibly. I bet now. I dont know why, but no, i canjust why. Possibly. I bet now. I dont know why, but no, i canjust watching ossibly. I bet now. I dont know why, but no, i canjust watching the bly. I bet now. I dont know why, but no, i canjust watching the football. You just watching the football. Yeah, is, actually. Yeah, she probably is, actually. But look this and you but but you look at this and you think why . Its gone missing. The bloke hasnt been charged and hes been fired. Can you do that. Can you. If hes convict of theft, then firing. Oh, of theft, then firing. Oh, thats the part of this i dont really get. Thats right. I mean it was only trash dating back 3400 years. Yes isnt there. Oh, look, i spend a lot of time in america. Knock knock it down. Mow down. You know , can you bracelet . Its you know, can you bracelet . Its old. Its a bit knackered. Its junk. Go down your boot sale of flogging. Yeah you can probably buy something know, something nicer. You know, claires accessories. Ill just pull no other shops are pull that up. No other shops are available, by the way. Pull that up. No other shops are avayesle, by the way. Pull that up. No other shops are avayes ,5, by the way. Pull that up. No other shops are avayes , right. Ie way. Pull that up. No other shops are avayes , right. Okay. Yes, right. Okay. That is another comedian is now added to the council list because its not lionesses. Not watching the lionesses. Tomorrow so, frances, whatever your is. Bye. Thank you. Your name is. Bye. Thank you. Very much. Thank thank you very much. Thank you. Much. You. Thank you very much. , host of the Frances Foster, host of the trigonometry podcast, trigonometry. Yes. Kick it out and a headline, as well as on tomorrow. Tomorrow hosting where youre not talking about the football , obviously. Football, obviously. Meanwhile, ill move on july under new plans from the government, Artificial Intelligence will be fast track to hospital in an effort to overhaul the nhs. Works with overhaul the nhs. Works with businesses nhs chief says it businesses and nhs chief says it will help clear the backlog by streamlining bureaucratic processes in the nhs. And god , processes in the nhs. And god, they need it now. Coming to coming to join me to discuss this and explain what the hells actually going on. Is health and social Affairs Editor at the sunday express, lucy johnston. Sunday express, lucy johnston. And there you are, lucy. Thank you so much forjoining me on a saturday afternoon. Lucy, what you so much forjoining me on a setheiay afternoon. Lucy, what you so much forjoining me on a sethe story . 3rnoon. Lucy, what you so much forjoining me on a sethe story . Actuallyucy, what you so much forjoining me on a sethe story . Actually about1at you so much forjoining me on a sethe story . Actually about . T is the story . Actually about . Well, it is a bit confusing and i did have to look quite hard and speak to a few people. Whats happened is that the nhs, england , one of the chiefs of england, one of the chiefs of the commercial arm of that, has just reduced trying to reduce the red tape just to make it easier for Tech Companies and companies to do business with the nhs. So its a bit niche, the nhs. So its a bit niche, but at the same time they have fast tracked and Ai Software Program that will allow radiothon therapy to differentiate between cancer and non cancer, and that can save or hopefully will save hours of time of clinical time, which in turn could help reduce waiting lists because it allows clinic clinician to spend time with patients. So thats really good. Its a specific area of ai and in fact ai is has been shown to be far better than the human eye at picking up cancer from scans. So its already used in Breast Cancer and even dermatology skin cancen cancer and even dermatology skin cancer. And it can detect about 50 different types of eye conditions. So its a great tool conditions. So its a great tool to have in the toolbox and it can save time as a as an additional thing for clinicians. But still, were not there yet where we dont have those double checked by clinicians. Its not yet replacing those clinicians. They check over. They check over. Okay. And the other element to it is it to improve the supply chain, isnt it to make it easier for small and medium sized businesses to supply a sprawling nhs, which at the moment is a massive disorganised . You oh, you cant hear me . You oh, you cant hear me . Hello, how are you . Hello, how are you . Oh, lucy, im sorry. Weve oh, lucy, im sorry. Weve got a sound problem there with lucy. Hopefully well be able to get her back and continue discussing this story because its a lot more complicated. And hopefully its good news right . Hopefully its good news right . Okay, we going to go and see okay, we are going to go and see what the weathers doing. In any case, ai for case, at least dont need ai for that. See how warm and that. Lets see how warm and sunny is this lovely sunny it is on this lovely weekend. Looks like things weekend. It looks like things are heating up. Are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest news Weather Forecast. Latest news Weather Forecast. Over the next 24 hours or so, we will see further showers largely focussed towards the north west. The winds are easing as storm betty generally eases and moves away from the uk , allowing high away from the uk, allowing High Pressure to build in from the south. So the best of the sunshine over the next few days will be towards the south east of the uk into this evening time. Still fairly breezy across parts Northern Ireland, parts of Northern Ireland, north west with north west scotland with frequent overnight. Frequent showers here overnight. Clear spells developing across parts of the midlands , eastern parts of the midlands, Eastern England. And despite this, it will still be a warm night to come. Still breezy around some western coast temperatures, generally 15 or 16 celsius in towns and cities. Even the towns and cities. Even in the countryside , holding up in countryside, holding up in double figures. So sunday morning, bright start. There morning, a bright start. There will a scattering showers will be a scattering of showers from across western from the word go across western parts uk as we move parts of the uk as we move through the morning. The best of the across parts of the sunshine across parts of the east midlands into east anglia, southeast the southeast england into the afternoon. We will see. We will see some heavy showers see some scattered heavy showers developing, but lots of places will dry. Still breezy will stay dry. Still breezy across far northwest. Across the far northwest. Temperatures, high teens to low 20s, around 25 or 26, perhaps towards the southeast of england into monday. The towards the southeast of england into monday. The similar start to the weekend really , well see to the weekend really, well see showers across the west. Best of the sunshine across central and southeastern parts and through the day, temperatures will lift into the low 20s. It stays fine and dry tuesday and wednesday for many of us. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers , proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Not too bad then, right . Youre with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. Loads more to come. Ill be chatting with a behavioural psychologist to get her take on the appalling lucy letby story and what what makes a woman a monster . Because thats how shes been described. How could shes been described. How could someone be so evil . Plus angela someone be so evil . Plus Angela Rayner has raised some eyebrows at the Edinburgh Festival , at the Edinburgh Festival, letting her hair down and spilling secrets about her personal life. But should personal life. But should politicians really keep their private lives private and much more . And that all coming up news. The peoples channel. Britains news. News. The peoples channel. Britains news. Channel and welcome back. You were dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on Digital Radio. Now its time for some travel news. Its peak houday for some travel news. Its peak holiday season. Record numbers holiday season. Record numbers are expected at numerous airports in the coming weeks. Its almost like coming back to school, period, as well. And of course, there is some more real misery its way. Whod have misery on its way. Whod have thought . Planned thought . With strikes planned for next two saturdays, for the next two saturdays, id almost lost the plot with whos going when . Now but going on strike when . Now but someone actually bring someone that can actually bring us up to date on what a disaster. Planes trains and automobiles a travel automobiles are is a travel correspondent for the independent , the very lovely independent, the very lovely simon is , as usual, simon calder, who is, as usual, hanging around an airport. Afternoon, simon. Hello how are you doing . All very good. All very good. All very good. And im dying to say that here at gatwick, with the exception of one flight from the isle of man, which is coming in about late, things about eight hours late, things are pretty well are actually working pretty well. And as you see behind me,. And as you can see behind me, Im International arrivals in im an International Arrivals in the terminal. People the north terminal. People flooding in from their holidays. Its very day to day,. Its a very busy day to day, going be busier next going to be even busier next week. And goodness , if you are week. And goodness, if you are looking ahead to the days after that , the fares that are being that, the fares that are being commanded from airlines bringing you back from spain to the uk are at levels ive simply never seen. Are at levels ive simply never seen. So, for instance, 31st of seen. So, for instance, 31st of august coming back from beautiful malaga to lovely london heathrow , british london heathrow, british airways, the cheapest ticket youve got that day is. £611. Youve got that day is. £611. And just to give you some idea, thats flying from male in just under three hours to london heathrow , if youre going in the heathrow, if youre going in the opposite direction, heathrow to sydney, australia, you could pay an awful lot less than that. So people paying whatever it costs to get back after the holidays that theyve been missing, many of them for the last three summers. That is utter madness. What would that flight cost normally . Simon well, normally you would be expecting to pay 100, £150 on those sorts of routes. But theres just extreme demand. And if youre travelling out in the other direction, if youre lucky enough to be going off a holiday for the august off for a holiday for the august bank holiday weekend, or ideally a few days after that, then fares are back down to sort of sense possible levels. But at the moment , sense possible levels. But at the moment, anybody whos got any flight seats coming in and also applies on easyjet, on ryanair , on jet2, its really , ryanair, on jet2, its really, really tough to find any any decent prices. Extraordinary times. Extraordinary times. But having said that , it but having said that, it means people are, i hope, having wonderful holidays that they will remember exactly. Will remember exactly. And of course, i mean, they could always stay in this country and have a staycation using the trains or possibly not. Oh, i was i was hoping you werent going to mention that. Werent going to mention that. Yeah. You talked about the strikes which are coming up over the next two saturday. Thats august the 26th. And its september the 2nd. Those are both the rmt union in dispute with 14 train operators only in england. This is over pay and working arrangements. Basically same. Its going to be on monday same. Its going to be on monday for 18 months since they began striking. And we just heard striking. And we just heard overnight that the aslef Train Drivers Union is also going on strike on friday the 1st of september. All of those, of course, chosen because they are really busy days, people getting back from the seaside at the end of houday from the seaside at the end of holiday weekenders heading abroad , heading away for the abroad, heading away for the weekend. Weekend. And im afraid it just shows what an absolute mess the railways are in. You cannot plan anything more than two weeks ahead if youre travelling on the railways of england. The railways of england. Transport for wales. Scotrail absolutely fine. By the way, as is Northern Ireland railways. But for those english train operators, were going to see thousands of trains cancelled. Thousands of trains cancelled. Just to mark your card. Again its going to be bad on the 26th of august, in the 2nd of september, both of those saturdays. But actually aslef september, both of those saturdrivers3ut actually aslef september, both of those saturdrivers ,jt actually aslef september, both of those saturdrivers , when|ally aslef september, both of those saturdrivers , when they aslef september, both of those saturdrivers , when they go ef september, both of those saturdrivers , when they go on train drivers, when they go on strike, they have more of an effect. And thats on friday. The 1st of september. No sign of any progress in talks. The two sides last met in april and they havent met with ministers since january. So im afraid no great urgency to sort this out. One insider and one of the big unions cant tell you who said he doesnt think its to going change until there is a change of government. Oh oh, god, yeah. I love you to bits, but youre really not helping. Cheer me up by telling me somewhere nice and cheap and accessible i can go to this accessible that i can go to this autumn. Wheres the best place to to . To head to . Oh, undoubtedly. The lithuanian. In late september , lithuanian. In late september, going into october, avoiding, of course , the october half term , course, the october half term, which always pushes prices up. But personally, im heading dawn for rhodes beautiful island. For rhodes beautiful island. They desperately need help after the wildfires. Of course, that caused so much , so, so much caused so much, so, so much distress for both holidaymakers about 20,000 people evacuated and also the local people, of course, many of them lost their homes. So they need a bit of support. And from all the reports ive heard since tourism kind of restarted there, its absolutely business as usual. So im going to go there, have a look around and probably relax by the beach, maybe even having a glass of beer and a bite to eat at a lovely beachside taverna. And yeah, honestly , taverna. And yeah, honestly, once you get out of the school holidays, then suddenly the bargains start returning. So. Yep late, late september, early october is going to be perfect time. Ill see you at the taverna. Taverna. Youre tempting me big time. Just very, very quickly, simon, one final question. Is it too late to get to australia now . Wouldnt make it in time for the game tomorrow. Game tomorrow. It is now because im fortunately you simply arent enough hours in the day. But enough hours in the day. But yeah, we have seen a bit of a surge. The agents have report ing people desperate to get out to see the lionesses lets just stay here, wish them well and plan better for the next world cup. Cup. Come on, simon. Come on, simon. Quick prediction from me. Im asking today. Asking everyone today. Oh , yes, well, england has to be. No, no question. No, no question. How many goals . Oh, its an exciting match. Thank you very much. Thats simon calder hanging around an airport, as usual. Thanks so much joining us. Simon much forjoining us. Simon right. Youre with dawn neesom on gb news, your tv and on on gb news, on your tv and on Digital Radio. Still ahead, should politicians keep their private private . Angela private lives private . Angela rayner been spilling the rayner has been spilling the beans about being a vape dragon at and getting very naughty in ibiza. Do you care, though . Up ibiza. Do you care, though . Up next, what makes a monster . Ill next, what makes a monster . Ill speak to a psychologist about how a killer nurse , lucy letby. How a killer nurse, lucy letby. Im sorry to talk about story, but its so awful. We need to talk about it. Could commit such horrific and evil crimes. But first, heres the latest news headunes first, heres the latest News Headlines with tamsin roberts. Headlines with tamsin roberts. Dawn, thanks very much. Here dawn, thanks very much. Here are the headlines at 330. The lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation into the cases after the former nurses conviction yesterday. Letby was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. In a statement, the lawyer said the inquiry doesnt have the power to compel witnesses to provide evidence or produce documents and therefore lacks real teeth. Letby will be real teeth. Letby will be sentenced on monday. Pakistani sentenced on monday. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of saira sharif in connection with her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sarahs stepmother, uncle and five children a day before sarahs body was discovered. Detectives say shed suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the channel during storm betty. Coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the sea in treacherous condition. At least three were intercepted in uk waters this morning. Gb news understands around 100 people were on board. It comes just a week after six migrants drowned attempting the crossing. The manager of the crossing. The manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the first time. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. What you can get start tomorrow. What you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gb visiting our website, gb news. Com. Now, though , its back news. Com. Now, though, its back to dawn. Thank you very much, tamsin. Welcome back. Coming up, world cup excitement reaches fever pitch certainly with me as a lionesses prepare for a historic final tomorrow. Dont go anywhere. Thats all coming up radio and online gb news. Britains news. Radio and online gb news. Britains news. Channel radio and online gb news. Britains news. Channel welcome back. Your dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. So now questions are being asked about whether killer nurse lucy letby could have been stopped sooner. Letby could have been stopped sooner. Hospital bosses are sooner. Hospital bosses are under fire after it emerged they failed to act when doctors raised the alarm about letby the government has ordered inquiry. We all know how long they take. And what happened into the case after the former neonatal nurse was found guilty of murdering seven babies and trying to kill six others. Shes the uks most prolific killer of babies in modern times. But how could modern times. But how could anyone even possibly under take these horrendous attacks on the most defenceless people in our society. Im joined actually in society. Im joined actually in the studio to with Dennis Mcshane to talk about other things that are happening in politics. But dennis, this is such a gut wrenchingly horrible story. Im trying to talk to everybody about it today. What do you take of what whats happened here . Well, i wish you had because i couldnt bear the reports listening to them yesterday. Listening to them yesterday. I have a two and a half year old toddler grandson whos the light of my life, a seven month old baby grand daughter and a third one brother to the grandson arriving next month. Grandson arriving next month. And its just not speakable. Its you cant. Its it is such a shock because its a woman and its a nurse. But im not entirely sure why we are that shocked because these things do do happen and because its a woman we almost excuse us, the fact that we werent suspicious in the first place. But the one thing that i have been literally stunned by this story , dennis, is the fact that story, dennis, is the fact that there were a group of four doctors who complained to the managers of this nhs trust that they were suspicious about. Let s behaviour. Im not going to call it lucy. Im not going to let they let this behaviour and yet the nhs trust didnt do anything about it in fact they said, look , you know, we. She said, look, you know, we. She then complained that they were bullying her. So so they had to apologise to this monster because thats what she is. What do you make of the fact that the nhs trust didnt act as soon as the doctors raised concerns . The doctors raised concerns . Its very sad. So typical. Think of the police think of other examples in other professions where bad things nothing remotely as horrible as this happens and the institutional bureaucracy of a given profession , a given given profession, a given Institution Just goes into automatic. Its like something in a roman war thing. You know, they all huddled down into a sort of tortoise and you cant penetrate them and thats it. We have this problem. Im not the biggest fan of the word blob, but the blob is so self defensive, it doesnt matter. Defensive, it doesnt matter. Its right or left or what the position is. Its so as newspapers are by far the worst. Have you ever seen a newspaper on the front page apologising for telling lies about one of its victims , inventing stuff, its victims, inventing stuff, making stuff up, destroying people . I mean, the sheer amount people . I mean, the sheer amount of pain you might think its not death. Of course it is. And we just, you know, something saying sorry shouldnt be the hardest thing to do. And saying stop should be the easiest thing to do. Well, if they had listened to these doctors , were going to these doctors, were going to come back and talk some more in a minute, dennis. Think we a minute, dennis. I think we actually our hemmings actually have ourjo hemmings behind a behavioural psychologist joining us now to help us try and underscore stand what creates a monster. Help us try and underscore stand what creates a monster. Jo, what creates a monster. Jo, there you are. Thank you very much for joining there you are. Thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon on talking about such afternoon on talking about such a horrific story. Jo i mean, a horrific story. Jo i mean, letby was called by both the judge and the Head Police Officer in this case, evil and a monster for how how did she become this creature . I dont become this creature . I dont look, its really difficult for us to sort of work this out, you know, profiling a serial killer is a combination of nature and nurture. And a lot of it is down to you. You can pinpoint the stereotypic serial killer whos come from a, you know, a sad or abusive family background , has abusive family background, has got no friends. You know , has no got no friends. You know, has no social ties. This girl had none of that to the very loving family. She had good friends, family. She had good friends, very supportive friends. And you know, one has to think, therefore, in the balance of nature and nurture, this is nature. This is someone and i dont use the word very often, but evil who was born that way, who perhaps even went in to the nursing profession because she knew she would have access to vulnerable patients. In this case vulnerable babies , and just case vulnerable babies, and just had that there was no clear motive from her background as to why she might have done it. And you can only say in those very rare and tragic cases that somebody is compelled by partly a psychopathic nature, a deep narcissist and a lack of any feelings , any remorse, any feelings, any remorse, any emotion at all to do these tragic things. And its just very difficult for us to get our heads around how somebody could present in one way to friends and family and colleagues and then behave. And this horrific manner in their job. So you do think, joe, that its is fair to describe her as a psychopath . A psychopath . I do. Look, im very careful in the words that i use about people want to sit here diagnosing. However to be very excuse me, very difficult to even if you could piece together some sort of motivations, some revenge, something had happened to her, actually, that psychopath nature, which really consists of someone who has no sense of guilt, no sense of remorse, no empathy, no compassion. Yeah. And goes out compassion. Yeah. And goes out and kills. Yes, i think you would be fair in this particular instance to call her a psychopath. Psychopath. And all people born psychopaths or do they develop psychopathic tendencies. Psychopathic tendencies. Its a combination of both. I think some people are born psychopaths and actually with a lot of care and love and help and whatever they can sometimes not even recognise or they have very mild tendencies. You would very mild tendencies. You would never call them that. You might call them a bit cold emotionally or they might not be able to express any way. Express themselves in any way. You find them at odd. Um, you might find them at odd. Um, in case, thats what you in her case, thats what you would have expected with her background but yes. Are background. But people yes. Are born , i suppose, born evil, such born, i suppose, born evil, such as . Strange thing for as . Strange thing for psychologists , but psychologists to say, but certainly a propensity certainly born with a propensity to behave like this. And unrestrained that just dont have any guilt. They dont have any sense that that we normally are born with. That develops on top of that, that we are doing something extraordinarily wrong. That doesnt appear to be the way she felt. Joe. I mean, she has shown no emotion and that is that i think the one thing that has shocked the one thing that has shocked the professionals involved, the judge and the Police Officers covering this case, another issue that has been potentially mentioned in connection with letby is munchausen syndrome. Do you think there are elements of that as well . You may possibly. That as well . You may possibly. Im not sure its particularly relevant. Munchausen, by proxy, in this particular instance , my feeling particular instance, my feeling is she may well have gone into the nursing profession with the intent of doing this. So its intent of doing this. So its not about any kind of projection of her own concerns. Its literally its cold blooded. Literally its cold blooded. Its going into professional, particularly neonatal, the most vulnerable of all patients on newborn babies with difficulties. We can see her notes , the. We can see her notes, the things she wrote about, you know, they didnt start with her. So i think she yes, in a cold blooded way, went into this part of the medical profession. She wont be the first. We have beverly allitt. We had Harold Shipman, but she went in there knowing what she was going to do and she executed it in a cold blooded way. Blooded way. I find that utterly shocking that if that was why she went into nursing , that if that was why she went into nursing, im that if that was why she went into nursing , im absolutely into nursing, im absolutely stunned. And joe, if she is a stunned. And joe, if she is a psychopath , there will never be psychopath, there will never be any closure for the grieving families of those babies , families of those babies, because i expect then she is never going to explain why she behaved as she did. Behaved as she did. And thats very common. And exactly the same happen with bev and others. They do not speak about it. Anything to any of the, you know, prison mates or whatever. They just never discuss it again. Its not spoken about. And the only closure these poor families are going to get, if there is some sort of an inquiry into how on earth we ended up with seven consultants apologising to her or of her about her behaviour, and they accused her of something wrongly. So thats the only closure theyre going to get, not from her, just from a really thorough investigation into how on earth she was allowed to continue working and utter , utter horror. Utter, utter horror. So a show. Jo hemmings so a show. Jo hemmings behavioural psychology , thank behavioural psychology, thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon, even though its an incredibly difficult subject to talk about now, we do move on. Its time for this weeks politics spotlight, which does have at least a fun element to it. Deputy leader of the labour it. Deputy leader of the labour party, Angela Rayner, has been very open about her lifestyle choices. Shes laughed about her 12 hour rave sessions during her recent holiday to ibiza and her liking for a strong cocktail called venom. Keir starmers, called venom. Keir starmers, deputy also revealed that her own children called her the vape dragon due to her reliance on e cigarette. So im asking now e cigarette. So im asking now do politicians have a responsibility to be careful about what they do in their private lives , or certainly what private lives, or certainly what they tell us they get up to in their private lives or should we stop putting public figures on a pedestal . Do we want politicians pedestal . Do we want politicians that live real lives like the rest of us do . Joining me to rest of us do . Joining me to discuss this is former labour mp denis macshane. You heard from earlier on talking the earlier on talking about the awful creature. What do awful letby creature. What do you make this is a this is angela. Shes being interviewed at the Edinburgh Fringe and on a podcast, and shes being very, very honest about what she got up to in ibiza. Very honest about what she got up to in ibiza. 12 hour raves, up to in ibiza. 12 hour raves, sort of stifling drinking at midday, which is ibiza. Lots of people do. What do you make of people do. What do you make of her revealing so much information . Well , i information . Well, i guess you could say a couple of years ago we lost one so called National Treasure of bofis so called National Treasure of boris johnson. Also is keen on a dnnk boris johnson. Also is keen on a drink and exposing himself and doing crazy things and went a bit too far and told lies to parliament. Off he went. Now weve got another National Treasure emerging. I mean, treasure emerging. I mean, everybody in the countrys cheering angela on and granny now in she is isnt she . 43 now in she is isnt she . 43 first child 16 didnt go to eat and didnt go to oxford. Shes not multi billionaire like rishi sunak and all a millionaire like all the other cabinet members. And she goes out of the lash in a way that terrifies me. Oh, look, look, ive got doctors, gloria, my family. Im sure theyll be so censorious when theyll be so censorious when they see this and say, you, dennis, should have dennis, you should have condemned mean , condemned her rubbish. I mean, britain needs cheering up at the moment. And angela, i think is cheered us up. And tomorrow cheered us all up. And tomorrow when the lionesses win, i dont think therell be a dry glass in the pub. Im going to watch it. The pub. Im going to watch it. Absolutely good you. The pub. Im going to watch it. Imbsolutely good you. The pub. Im going to watch it. Im very|tely good you. The pub. Im going to watch it. Im very pleasedd you. The pub. Im going to watch it. Im very pleased about ou. The pub. Im going to watch it. Im very pleased about that. Now, thing labour now, just the thing is, labour does quite a strong policy does have quite a strong policy on on vaping and alcohol and unhealthy behaviour and cigarettes consumption. I mean sort of like, you know , theyre sort of like, you know, theyre going to change advertising rules. If keir starmer is elected into power regarding alcohol and cigarettes and even looked at banning the sales of cigarettes. Now angelas behaviour while she was on holiday, you know, shes having a nice time etcetera and she is a nice time etcetera and she is a real person. But is it sending a real person. But is it sending out mixed messages from the labour party about sort of like, you know, do as we say, dont do as we do . As we do . Well, politicians have been doing that since the roman times and i dont think it will affect any of the National Health care problems that we all face. All face. One of the best things that happened under the Labour Government when i was in it was we just stopped smoking in each others faces in restaurants and generally in the public. A lot of people said to me, oh, the working class wont buy that. You know, you stop smoking. Theyre all go vote brexit before you know it, i said, well, im sorry. Seamlessly, weve brexit into that one. Im im, you know very, very pro european. Pro european. But no i want us to kill smoke now know angelinos perfectly well what shes doing. People patronise her and this is i mean the ladies give the finger. Im i mean the ladies give the finger. Im not sure this is one finger. Im not sure this is one finger to all the smart westminster lobby people in suits or the big expense lunches sort of denigrating her a bit because shes not like one of them. She didnt go to oxford. She didnt go to winchester or eton. And i think shes just shown them up for what they are and shes just one of the nicest , smartest women in britain. And , smartest women in britain. And i think shes going to be a stellar minister. She can use quite fiery rhetoric sometimes times, cant she . I rhetoric sometimes times, cant she . I mean, do you occasion really think that she should maybe dial that down some of the language she has used certainly about the conservative party has been a bit fruity , to say the been a bit fruity, to say the least. Well, we just had the Prime Minister whos a highly educated winchester and oxford billionaire , saying the labour billionaire, saying the labour party are supporters of crooked lawyers in cahoots with gangsters on this immigration question. Thats the Prime Minister talking about a labour party that has governed this country in and out for the last hundred years, sacrifice hugely in the war. Its the working class who pay war. Its the working class who pay the price in wars. I thought pay the price in wars. I thought it was a belief that this mr sunak used language about sir keir starmer, a distinguished consorting with criminal lawyers. That was outrageous. What would you say . I mean, im semi with you on angela. I think she was a youngest woman having a good time. But what would you say if, say, a working class tory say leander for example, had gone on on the lash, you know, gone to a Football Game behave, you Football Game and behave, you know, sort of like hedonistic early labour would tear him apart for that, surely . Culture he no, the culture i wish he would. Least its wakes would. I mean least its wakes up every morning and says what racist nonsense ive got racist bit of nonsense ive got. Oh lets bring back. Oh i know. Lets bring back hanging. Oh give me a break lee. Go to ibiza. Get the old venom. Go to ibiza. Get the old venom. Start drinking. Seriously and stop talking. Yes, thats. Thats a party youd want to go to, isnt it . Angela rayner and lee in ibiza. Angela rayner and lee in ibiza. Drinking venom, by the way. Dennis has mentioned venom because its angelas favourite drink, isnt it . You know this, dont and the recipe for dont you . And the recipe for that a of that cocktail is a bottle of vodka , bottle southern vodka, a bottle of Southern Comfort , ten bottles of blue wkd comfort, ten bottles of blue wkd and a litre of pure orange juice poured into a bucket. I had to ask me should i have that herself . I had to ask my that herself . I had to ask my son what the heck blew wkd is. Oh, dad , you used to give that oh, dad, you used to give that to me at everleigh when we were very small. Its sort of 2 alcohol and disgustingly sweet. So there we are. I was already sending my own children down the premises where should premises path where they should have studying for their have been studying for their gcses. Gcses. And finally, just just very quickly, in this podcast, by the way, angela also described keir starmer, who , you know, hes starmer, who, you know, hes a boss as a civil servant, which is never a compliment, is it . Its interesting, a german researcher, a political researcher, a political researcher, the European Parliament came up to me a few months ago when i was over there and she said, dennis, you speak german . Can you get sir keir starmer to speak german . I said, what were about . He is were you talking about . He is the of the perfect the german idea of the perfect politician. Hes rather boring. He doesnt crack jokes. He reads out a carefully prepared text and doesnt deviate once from it. That is exactly how we think politics should be. Dennis ill leave it there. Dennis ill leave it there. Thank you so much for joining me. Thats dennis macshane, a former minister of state for europe and labour mp for rotherham. Thank you so for rotherham. Thank you so much for joining a sense of joining us and having a sense of humour well. You always dawn joining us and having a sense of humour on well. You always dawn joining us and having a sense of humour on gbl. 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The best of the across the the sunshine across parts of the east midlands into east anglia, southeast into the southeast england into the afternoon. We will we will afternoon. We will see, we will see scattered heavy showers see some scattered heavy showers developing, lots of places developing, but lots of places will still breezy will stay dry. Still breezy across the far northwest. Temperatures high teens to low 20s, around 25 or 26, perhaps towards the southeast of england into monday. The similar start to the weekend really , well see to the weekend really, well see showers across the west. Best of the sunshine across central and south eastern parts. And through south eastern parts. And through the day, temperatures will lift into the low 20s. It stays fine and dry tuesday and wednesday for many of us. The temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. So whether or not to grab your beer dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio, im andrew doyle join me at 7 00 every sunday night for free speech nation. The show right tackle the weeks biggest stories in politics and current affairs. With the help my with the help of my two comedian, panellists and a variety special guests. Variety of special guests. Three speech nation sunday nights from seven on gb news the peoples channel, britains news channel. Where hello and welcome to gb news on your tv and on your Digital Radio. Im dawn neesom filling in for the lovely nana akua whos having a well earned rest for the next two hours. Me and my panel the next two hours. Me and my panel, theyre already here and theyve naughty. Theyve been very naughty. Well be the big be taking on some of the big topics headlines topics hit in the headlines right but this show is all right now, but this show is all about opinion. Mine are theirs, but importantly , yours will but most importantly, yours will be debating and discussing and at times disagreeing in a cuddly way. Its a weekend. And joining way. Its a weekend. And joining me today, its drumroll, a broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and political commentator matthew stadlen. Though they all right looking fantastic. Right. But before we get started, lets get the latest News Headlines with tatiana sanchez. With tatiana sanchez. Dawn, thank you very much and good afternoon. This is the latest from the gb newsroom. The lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the former nurses conviction yesterday. It will look at the circumstances surrounding the deaths and incidents, including how concerns raised by clinicians were dealt with. In a statement, were dealt with. In a statement, the lawyers said the inquiry doesnt have the power to compel witnesses to provide evidence or produce documents and therefore lacks real teeth. Letby was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Psychotherapy Lucy Beresford says her personality may have helped her avoid suspicion for so long. Her colleagues found her very warm and approachable and likeable and the paediatrician who tried to raise the alarm about her allegedly at one point thought to himself, oh about her allegedly at one point thought to himself , oh gosh, not thought to himself, oh gosh, not nice lucy, because there was a side to her that was very genial and thats what makes her crimes so doubly shocking that she could have this exterior of normality and pleasantness. But actually be capable of these crimes. Crimes. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of saira sharif in connection to her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sarahs stepmother, uncle and five children a day before sarahs body was discovered. Detectives body was discovered. Detectives say shed suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the channel during storm betty , coastguard and storm betty, coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the sea in treacherous conditions. At least treacherous conditions. At least three were intercepted in uk waters this morning. Gb news understands around 100 people were on board. It comes just a week after six migrants drowned attempting the crossing. Now, attempting the crossing. Now, age uk says hundreds of thousands of older people missed out on Financial Support for their energy bills. The Charity Claims more than 700,000 households didnt receive help from the Energy Bills Support Scheme alternative fund. It was set up for people with non direct supply arrangement, such as those living in care homes. Most mobile homes or on boats. But age uk says the fund had completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. She and a lack of publicity. She a protest over the closure of Railway Ticket offices will be staged outside downing street later this month. The rmt union says it will stage a mass rally on the 31st of august, which is the last day of the consultation process. It warns the move to process. It warns the move to close up to 1000 offices will put more than 2000 jobs at risk. The planned action comes as crosscountry train workers staged the first of four strikes over working conditions. Rmt members will also walk out over the next three saturdays. A the next three saturdays. A state of emergency has been declared in canadas Western Province of british columbia, where wildfires are threatening homes. Thousands of people have been evacuated from the area as fires burn in the hills and mountains above west kelowna , mountains above west kelowna, strong winds are fanning the flames with the fire Service Warning the blaze could reach the outskirts of the city by this weekend. Canada is facing its worst season on record with more than 1000 active fires burning across the country. Now, burning across the country. Now, the manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England play spain to win that trophy for the very first time. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. Manager Sarina Wiegman says its the same as any other game. Any other game. I never take anything for granted, but also now playing another finals. Yeah, what i said is really special, but we just preparing for a game and yes it is a final, but we dont do anything different than we do normally. Normally. And captain and millie bright says theyll have to play the game of their lives. I think everyone knows how big this is. I think its been big this is. I think its been players dreams for years. So i think everyone already knows that. Think everyone already knows that. And we know how passionate that. And we know how passionate our nation is back home and how much theyd theyd want us to win. But for us as a process, we have a game plan to execute and like said, we need to like sabrina said, we need to play like sabrina said, we need to play of lives. Play the game of our lives. Youre with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio, and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to dawn. Now its back to dawn. Thank you very much. Tatiana now, before we get into the main debate, heres what else is coming up today for the Great British debate this hour. In the wake of the lucy letby verdict, we are asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn from the letby murders . And then at 450 its role round up with angela levin, who will be in the studio to give us all the latest from behind the palace walls , a new behind the palace walls, a new Netflix Documentary as well from prince harry. And what about prince harry. And what about Prince William . Should he be at that World Cup Final . He is that World Cup Final . He is president of the fa. Remember and then at five, its this weeks difficult conversation. Weeks difficult conversation. We have a really , really lovely we have a really, really lovely special story for you and its to going be very heartwarming and love. Im so looking forward to it. Six year old woody bly has been hes such a sweetheart. Disney has been brave in battling a rare cancer for the past three years. He his family are on a mission to make as many lasting memories and raise awareness of the alternative treatments available. Its an emotional story, woody , his emotional story, woody, his lovely mum page and matt villers, who has been supporting the family, will be joining me to basically have a cuddle. I think thats coming up today in the show. But tell me what you think of everything were discussing by emailing. Gb views discussing by emailing. Gb views at gb news. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. Right. Right. Just in case you havent noticed, tomorrows going to be a fairly momentous day for that game football the game called football the lionesses. Thats the women who play lionesses. Thats the women who play football for england, you know, ones that win things, know, the ones that win things, they taking spain in the they are taking on spain in the World Cup Final. The last time that england side were men were reach. The World Cup Final was back in 1966. I was one. Yes. Im that old. The mens team actually went on to win it. So can we do it again . Lets hope so. But the most important question we need to address is , question we need to address is, is it coming home . And no, im not going to sing because i really dont hate you or anyone that much. But joining me now to talk about the technical stuff thats going on is sports broadcaster and journalist aidan magee aden. You know, the techie magee aden. You know, the techie stuff going with the game. Stuff going on with the game. Im just getting excited about it, were playing it, obviously. So were playing spain. Its it, obviously. So were playing spain. Its in it, obviously. So were playing spain. Its in a it, obviously. So were playing spain. Its in a packed it, obviously. So were playing spain. Its in a packed stadium spain. Its in a packed stadium in australia. What are our in australia. What are our chances realistically . I think england go into it as favourites. Dont forget , we favourites. Dont forget, we arrived in australia a month ago as the european champions and more money has gone into the wsl , our domestic league, in the last five six years and anywhere else in the world. Weve recruited a coach who has finished up in the world recruited a coach who has finis before up in the world recruited a coach who has finis before with up in the world recruited a coach who has finis before with holland,a world recruited a coach who has finis before with holland, withld cup before with holland, with are native and won the are native holland and won the euros so its best euros as well. So its best in class in near enough every position got probably our position weve got probably our best player coming back from a suspension be suspension who will be available. Think shell available. I dont think shell start, say lauren plan start, as i say lauren plan lauren were talking lauren james were talking about. Yeah. I i about. Yeah. Yeah. I i think its to take tune its difficult to take our tune out because shes out of the team because shes played very good. Played well. Shes very good. Shes to shes got a brilliant goal to open against open the scoring against australia showed australia and that just showed what made what england are made of actually. Mean you actually. Because i mean if you think it, youre away from think about it, youre away from home, against home, youre against a host nation. The great nation. You can see the great goal nation. You can see the great goal. Goalkeeper at goal. Theres a goalkeeper at fault in that second fault as well in that second half what, minutes left. Half with what, 25 minutes left. I dont know. I just think most teams that situation would teams in that situation would have england have actually folded england just rattled goals and just rattled off two goals and just rattled off two goals and just job done, didnt just got the job done, didnt even need extra time, says mental well. Mental fortitude there as well. And in the as and earlier in the rounds as well they they well i mean they didnt they havent really hit their straps until knockout thats until the knockout stage. Thats what do at. And what the top sides do at. And yeah, spain at have yeah, look spain at spain have scored games. Scored 14 goals in six games. But they did lose to japan, 4 0 in the group stages. That in the group stages. And that wasnt rubber either. Wasnt a dead rubber either. That that was quite that was a game that was quite important. I mean, yeah , important. So i mean, yeah, listen, a listen, they they carry a threat. Spain dont get me wrong, but i would still have england edge. England having the edge. A big risk are how much of a big risk are spain . Because they are actually spain . Because they are actually a very good side arent they. Some fantastic players. They are. Goals though. Are. They can see goals though. See goals and they are. They can see goals though. Score see goals and they are. They can see goals though. Score goals. Goals and they are. They can see goals though. Score goals. Ioals and they are. They can see goals though. Score goals. I think nd they are. They can see goals though. Score goals. I think that1ey they score goals. I think that england been england look, england have been around now england are around the block now england are wizened terms and their wizened in terms and so is their coach. Theyll be aware coach. I think theyll be aware of. I dont think of that threat. I dont think its be i mean, its going to be easy. I mean, i went i went for 2 1 after extra time breakfast time this morning on breakfast and are and im sticking that are sticking mcgee often sticking that mr mcgee often comes the extra time thing comes good the extra time thing worries me i dont know every mans game they end up watching behind the sofa going no penalties. But theyve had extra time tournaments and time in previous tournaments and theyve come through. They had extra the extra time this time in the second again against second round. Again against nigeria on nigeria and prevailed on penalties, which the men never do. I mean, we keep comparing it to game. Shouldnt to the mens game. We shouldnt really different really because of two Different Things know, things altogether. But you know, it to have something it just seems to have something and remind of and then remind me of the england team about England Rugby team about 20 years seem to just get years ago. They seem to just get the and i think the job done and i think therell be again, itll be the same again tomorrow. Really do. When m mm do. When say it is different when you say it is different from the mens game, of course its the mens game. But you think we will get but do you think we will get to time womens football to a time where womens football will as seriously . Will be taken as seriously . Certainly by the president of the fa one, Prince William , as the fa one, Prince William, as the fa one, Prince William, as the mens game . Well, the market will decide that. So what has to happen is that. So what has to happen is that people need to turn up to sell games and pay to get into the ground. I mean, you can incentivise people and its great make make the game seem great to make make the game seem as if its commercially operating and commercially, commercially operating and commercially, commercialljits not that often the moment its not that often surviving of the surviving on the back of the mens team. So for example, the chelsea winning the Chelsea Chelsea winning the league regularly but league in the wsl regularly, but they quite , they are still funded quite, quite heavily the, by the quite heavily by the, by the mens team. So youve got to get people going now we saw if people going in. Now we saw if you people are you see the people who are organising game, know , organising the game, you know, kind of marketing the game right now, theyll say attendances in the euros the off the back of the euros are but youre talking are up 50. But youre talking there a difference between 2000 and 3000. I mean, those those those attendances are probably League Two Level in this country. To improve League Two Level in this cou facilities to improve League Two Level in this cou facilities need to improve League Two Level in this cou facilities need to to improve League Two Level in this cou facilities need to improve ove the facilities need to improve as well. Its no good just saying, theyre to saying, okay, theyre going to play saying, okay, theyre going to play game play in the mens game in a mens stadium youve got mens stadium rather. Youve got to fill that because to be able to fill that because its to put you its expensive to put it on. You can once a season can maybe do it once a season for game and you can maybe for a big game and you can maybe get some numbers in there. But for a big game and you can maybe gehas me numbers in there. But for a big game and you can maybe gehas me happen rs in there. But for a big game and you can maybe gehas mehappen rs iathere. But for a big game and you can maybe gehas me happen rs i athere. To |t it has to happen on a week to week basis. Are at week basis. People are paying at the gate spending money, spending, money on spending, spending money on shirts, food, shirts, spending money on food, etcetera. Again i no, i was i was going to say , you dont necessarily have to fill stadiums for the fill out the stadiums for the club for International Club games for the International Sides to be well watched. Yes. From point of view of bringing from a point of view of bringing in very in the money, its very important. But if you look at mens cricket, for example , mens cricket, for example, county games. Mens cricket, for example, couyeah, games. Mens cricket, for example, couyeah, thats games. Mens cricket, for example, couyeah, thats gempty. Yeah, thats almost empty. Thats point. Some some yeah, thats almost empty. Thats there point. Some some yeah, thats almost empty. Thats there isoint. Some some yeah, thats almost empty. Thats there is ant. Some some yeah, thats almost empty. Thats there is a history1e some yeah, thats almost empty. Thats there is a history of some sports. There is a history of the International Game being stronger the club but stronger than the club game, but footballs different football. For International Game to be for the International Game to be strong, game has be strong, the club game has to be strong, the club game has to be strong as well. Because you see in mens the clubs in the mens game, the clubs game well, almost Game Club Game, well, almost it almost the almost envelops the International Game in some way. But theres be but if theres going to be an equilibrium the two, equilibrium between the two, then has to thrive. And so then one has to thrive. And so for other thrive. I for the other to thrive. And i think in the think the club game at in the club game the womens Game Club Game for the womens game has strong we can has to be strong before we can consider else. Okay. Consider anything else. Okay. When comes to talking, the when it comes to talking, the men doing well. Women when it comes to talking, the m when it comes to talking, the m commentator with you. It yeah. It yeah. It yeah. Dont encourage a political commentator. Dont encourage a political commentator. Matthew stadlen, commentator. Matthew stadlen, thank you very much for joining me, both of you. So, lizzie, me, both of you. So, lizzie, youre excited. You are into youre excited. You are into your football. Youre a chelsea fan, but we wont hold that against you. Ive been in football nearly all of my life. Can you believe i love football and i cant tell you how excited i am for tomorrow. I have my lucky pants washed and ready and we are. Yes, two. yes, two. And we are going to do it like the mens havent. Not well, not since 1966. And that was actually before i was born. Can you believe . I was born. Can you believe . Well, i was sadly , im going well, i was sadly, im going to have to ask this question. Im sorry. If youre eating your lunch or anything , what are your lunch or anything, what are your lucky pants like, lizzie . Theyre the prettiest oh, theyre not the prettiest , still are the , because i still these are the same used wear i same ones i used to wear when i was jason. They. Was with jason. And they. Yeah. And he always scored. Yeah. And he from the halfway line he scored from the halfway line when wore those last. He scored from the halfway line wh well done you are you do know your stuff though. So youre to have so now youre going to have another story in hands. So now youre going to have anobut story in hands. So now youre going to have anobut i;tory in hands. So now youre going to have anobut i have n hands. So now youre going to have anobut i have to hands. So now youre going to have anobut i have to say,hands. So now youre going to have ano but i have to say, lets;. So now youre going to have ano but i have to say, lets not but i have to say, lets not forget if the lionesses are going to bring in 185 million boosts to the uk economy , and boosts to the uk economy, and for me, i really do think our Prime Minister should be in australia, as should Prince William. Im very disappointed that theyre not there and dont say its about climate change. Im sure youre going to bring that into it, matthew. But i really do think they should. Is, know, the this is, you know, the football this the pinnacle football is this the pinnacle of their world their career being in the world cup, history. Cup, first time in history. Think they both have a and i think they both have a duty there. Duty to be there. Matthew, im going to im not going you about your going to ask you about your lucky but sure you lucky pants, but im sure you will wearing though will be wearing them, though obviously, lizzies got a very good mean , prince good point now. I mean, Prince William head of the fa william is the head of the fa and rishi sunak then. I dont i dont even know who he sent. Actually, its not that important. A James Cleverly is there . James the foreign. James the foreign. Yeah. Who likes the likes of jolly doesnt he. So but they jolly doesnt he. So but they should be there. This game is important. It is important for football. Its important for womens sports. And they dont womens sports. And they dont appear to be taking it seriously. So id say its one thing to show leadership on climate change, and i absolutely endorse that, but only if all of us can honestly believe that they would not have been there if england had won the mens final and i suspect they would have been there, in which case they absolutely should be there. Absolutely should be there. Could i just say on a happier note, has been note, i think this has been a really breakthrough. Some of engush really breakthrough. Some of english womens english sport for womens engush english sport for womens english sport. Im an embarrassingly late convert. I absolutely sport. I go all absolutely love sport. I go all the i now know the the time, but i now know the names of some of the england cricket players. Know cricket players. I know the names some the england names of some of the england football players. We have the ashes, weve got the 100 going on. We had the netball, weve got the its the football and i think its worth celebrating. I think. Is the women girl power . Is the women girl power . Im getting sick of yes. And im getting sick of the ive heard a lot of commentary late and was commentary of late and i was driving yesterday listening driving home yesterday listening in the old dinosaurs in and some of the old dinosaurs of that giving of football that arent giving enough to the women and enough credit to the women and i find it quite upsetting and im not going to mention any names, but i will. Harry redknapp was on and just on. Im sorry, im going to say it. And talking about the womens manager, serena , who has done manager, serena, who has done the most incredible job and why shouldnt she paid the same shouldnt she be paid the same amount as Gareth Southgate is . Amount as Gareth Southgate is . Thatis amount as Gareth Southgate is . That is a huge difference. And why couldnt mean, shes why couldnt she . I mean, shes done more than gareth has ever done. Done more than gareth has ever dorim sorry to southgate had im sorry to southgate had won mens euros and i was at won the mens euros and i was at that final. Was a chaotic match. It was a chaotic match. Remember, breaking it was a chaotic match. Reroh,iber, breaking it was a chaotic match. Reroh, absolutely breaking it was a chaotic match. Reroh, absolutely. Breaking it was a chaotic match. Reroh, absolutely. Its breaking in. Oh, absolutely. Its actually unpleasant actually a really unpleasant experience ways. Actually a really unpleasant expbutnce ways. Actually a really unpleasant expbutnce stick ways. Actually a really unpleasant expbutnce stick a ways. Actually a really unpleasant expbutnce stick a flare. Actually a really unpleasant expbutnce stick a flare up the bottom . I dont know. But i witnessed some of the breaking in my some of the breaking in with my now governing , if we some of the breaking in with my now one, governing , if we some of the breaking in with my now one, that governing , if we some of the breaking in with my now one, that gareth ning , if we some of the breaking in with my now one, that Gareth Southgatee had one, that Gareth Southgate would gareth would now be sir Gareth Southgate. He wouldnt southgate. I think he wouldnt have win a world so have had to win a world cup. So i think serena, whether or not she wins cup because she wins this world cup because shes euros shes already won the euros should serena. She should be dame serena. She should be dame serena. She should indeed. Should indeed. Why there enough but why isnt there enough praise even going praise and even just going along the the arent out, the shops, the flags arent out, you know, bunting like it you know, the bunting like it would was for the would be if it was for the mens. Many of the mens. And many of the ex players and managers of england arent giving enough credit to this amazing woman. I credit to this amazing woman. I really do feel quite angry about it. So if you see sometimes this has been turned into a culture war, isnt it . You know, some men mocking womens football , even some womens football, even some womens football, even some women mocking english football. Women mocking english football. It is difficult to watch it is very difficult to watch that game on friday or thursday. Whenever it was , i sat down with whenever it was, i sat down with family to watch it and not be seriously impressed by the skill levels. That third goal. Im stunning. Russell. What what we saw a couple of tournaments or recent tournaments or recent tournaments was was one sided matches. Were not really seeing that this time. A couple of fours youre going fours and fires but youre going to any level of to get that in any level of sport also matches sport and also tight matches as well, which shows that the defending has gone up. Also penalties. But also penalties. But also penalties. Penalties with nigeria. F f when did we you know, whenever englands men, when did we you know, when when did we you know, when when did we you know, when when did we you know, when my favourite stat from that penalty shootout was chloe kellys penalty because the match ball have got a tech , a match ball have got a tech, a little bit of tech in it that measures the and measures the speed and everything and that hit the net at 69 miles an hour. Yeah and that beats the boys fastest strike from last season, which is the west ham player by the way, which was 66. 6. Just saying i well i remember back in about 20 years ago, it was set at about 81 miles an hour. So i dont know if the balls lighter or whether theres any other variables that could affect the pace the ball. But yeah, pace of the ball. But yeah, thats surprise to me. Also, the test, by the way, can i just say its one of the test womens test to see whether womens football progressing football is really progressing is whether feel it your football is really progressing is wright . Feel it your football is really progressing is wright . So feel it your football is really progressing is wright . So when it your football is really progressing is wright . So when australia gut right . So when australia equalised , felt my tummy i yes, me too. And ive never felt so excited about a football match for a very, very, very long time. And i think we can see that everyone i talked to and its very much more a family game. I feel for the womens. You see a lot of families going. And i think if the girls do it, which i theyre going to do i know theyre going to do it, were brands were to going see brands sponsor. Its going to sponsor deals. Its going to take another level. And take it to another level. And football for women. Wanted to football for women. I wanted to play football for women. I wanted to play school. I know play football at school. I know thats now thats a few years ago, but now this give such this is going to give such opportunities wanting opportunities for girls wanting to football. To get into football. Very i think its very inspirational for youngsters. Got at the time, people got quickly at the time, people very quickly when i was growing up. Im 43 when i was growing up. Girls have, you know, my contemporaries, girls, they werent really thinking about playing rugby, cricket playing football, rugby, cricket for netball for england. It was netball and other if lucky other stuff. Now if im lucky enough to enough one day to have a daughter, they thinking daughter, they might be thinking that the other is that that and the other thing is that england women can out england women can sell out wembley. 90,000. An wembley. Thats 90,000. Im an england , so if i able england member, so if i was able to get tickets for quite a while, some of the england mens games, tried ones for games, i tried to get ones for that final that for that final international tournament. For the winners of the euros. And win couldnt get win is something i couldnt get the. The ticket. Member. It was a member. It was a member. Unfortunately , its full unfortunately, its full time. Full time. So time. Weve got full time. So i did that right. Still to come , did that right. Still to come, this difficult this weeks difficult conversation. Prepare to conversation. Prepare to be inspired. Its conversation. Prepare to be inspired. Its a conversation. Prepare to be inspired. 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And im asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn from the hideous letby murders . Ive the hideous letby murders . Ive got a poll up right now on twitter, whatever its called, today , asking you that very today, asking you that very question. Does the nhs have question. Does the nhs have lessons to learn from the letby murders . Send us an email gb murders . Send us an email gb views at gb news and tell us what you think. Cast your vote. Now and thats all coming up very. Christys on gb news. Im gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back. Youre with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. Now its tv and on Digital Radio. Now wsfime tv and on Digital Radio. Now its time for the Great British debate this hour. Im asking does the nhs have lessons to learn from the letby murders . Now, nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six more, making her the worst child serial killer in modern history. The neonatal nurse history. The neonatal nurse started attacking highly vulnerable babies in her care. Vulnerable babies in her care. In 2015, the police were contacted in 2017 and she was arrested in 2018. Now, consultants warned countess of Chester Hospital bosses repeatedly about letby linked to the unusual deaths and collapses of babies on the neonatal ward. But doctors who raised concerns were actually ordered to apologise to the killer nurse. Now how conservative mps Caroline Johnson says its completely unacceptable. And i completely unacceptable. And i would personally use stronger language. But we are on tv that language. But we are on tv that management did not immediately act on the suspicious suspicions of the Expert Health care professionals. Three babies of the Expert Health care professionals. Three babies died after. The doctors warned the after. The doctors warned the nhs trust that they had suspicions about lucy. Thats three babies that should be here now, basically. So for the Great British debate, im asking , does british debate, im asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn from the lucy letby murders . Now from the lucy letby murders . Now joining me now is nhs paediatric paediatric nurse olivia prince. Will criminal defence lawyer and broadcaster Joseph Cotterill munson and retired officer and director of the law order enforcement, norman brennan. Thank you all so much for joining me today. Im actually going to start with you, olivia. If i may. You are a paediatric nurse. I just want to ask what nurse. I just want to ask what effect has this story had on you personally and your profession . Personally and your profession . Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So i have been following the case of lucy since the beginning, and it has been something that has really traumatised me and really left me with a lot of question as well as a lot of my colleague, which we have been discussing this case with and personally, she just hear how management she just hear how the management dismiss the staff just makes me kind of doubt how safe and secure i am in my own workspace and work environment. And the fact that they actually raised their concern, the fact that, you know, i as a staff could raise my concern and i could be dismissed actually leaves me wondering if really i am valued in my place of work or if my opinions count if my opinions even count because i cant even imagine the staff having to come work staff having to come to work knowing very well that they dont feel comfortable with another colleague or they might have and then then being have doubts. And then then being dismissed this way. I just dismissed in this way. I just think appalling think its really appalling and its unacceptable. And do its unacceptable. And i do think really a shame that, think its really a shame that, you this baby had to die you know, this baby had to die and their family had to go through trauma. Really through such trauma. I really do think much learn think theres so much to learn from the case of lucy. Honestly, this its really shocking for this is its really shocking for the nurses and all of us that have had to witness and listen the nurses and all of us that hawhat d to witness and listen the nurses and all of us that hawhat d to goneess and listen the nurses and all of us that hawhat d to gone downd listen the nurses and all of us that hawhat d to gone down with en the nurses and all of us that hawhat d to gone down with the to what has gone down with the lucy trial. Joseph coming to you next. I mean, you are a legal expert. So the poor families involved in this case will be asking questions probably for the rest of their lives. Now, what could they do about the fact that the nhs trust involved in this case didnt appear to act, even though for senior registrars and consultants warned them of their suspicions . Well, 7 well, im . Well, im glad that were starting with that particular aspect of this, because there was chance after chance after chance to stop the murders by the trust. The hospital manager and the chief nurse, head of nursing, alison kelly, ian harvey, the medical director , is the was the medical director, is the was the was another a crucial the crucial barrier to common sense in this again and again rejecting what doctors were begging for expert paediatricians. What can the parents do in the face of circum instances where Senior Expert consultants top of their game with knowledge of these matters were refused again and again , and basically again and again, and basically by nhs managers, Business People all countermanded . Well, theres all countermanded . Well, theres going to be some type of inquiry. We hear , but it wont be a we hear, but it wont be a statutory inquiry which will have the power to request information that to demand information, the power to compel witnesses to attend. And of course the power to get probity into this. As to the culture within managers going and their answer ability to ministers, which is where this culture of fear starts instead , were looking at starts instead, were looking at a kind of mediation in a fairly toothless situation in which the families are going to be expected to just regard this as simply the matter of admittedly a serial killer. And a rogue hospital situation. Hospital situation. Were hearing from experts that this is this type of ignonng that this is this type of ignoring of medical experts with regard who have charge of the care of their patients with regard to matters of care of patients are regularly being overridden by nhs target driven managers who dont represent the true spirit in those particular circumstances because of what we have systemically in those structures. Structures. They dont those people dont represent the true interests of patients , and doctors are not patients, and doctors are not being listened to. Being listened to. Joseph thank you. Norman. Lets bring you into this one. I was shocked by some of the rhetoric that the judge and the chief Police Officers used in this case saying that letby was indeed a monster. I dont remember really often hearing Police Officers use that language about a case. So obviously it is incredibly shocking for everyone involved. Shocking for everyone involved. What do you make of the behaviour that is involved in this case and the fact that, well, i mean the papers are saying today that the nhs has blood on its hands. Saying today that the nhs has blood on its hands. What would blood on its hands. What would you say to that . You say to that . Well, its two words, to be quite honest here, that we kick off with and its image and reputation on the image and reputation on the image and reputation was paramount to the chief executive of Chester Hospital. Hosphal they didnt want anything to undermine their sort of position within the nhs. They didnt want anything negative getting out. And as a result of that, it would be fair to say that it appears that they do or some people have blood on their hands. What amazes me is this dawn is that there is a number and an organisation called crime stoppers, and if you believe that someone is allegedly have committed an offence or is responsible for horrendous crime and you believe that your managers or line managers or the people in charge of your organisation are not taking it serious , you then make that serious, you then make that phone call. Its anonymous, phone call. Its anonymous, youre anonymous. But what it youre anonymous. But what it does, it flags up to the police that someone where there is an issue and the police will have to look, look into it. But its all about image and reputation. Well, lets look at the image and reputation of all of those men and women that were responsible for leadership within Chester Hospital. All within Chester Hospital. All that took that turned a blind eye. They even had the doctors and some of the staff apologising to her. Ive got to say to you, lets look at the image and reputation of those responsible and Chester Hospital today. Yeah. Thank you very much. Strong words indeed. You strong words indeed. You know, norman has said blood on their hands , right . Olivia their hands, right . Olivia prince. Well, Joseph Cottrell prince. Well, Joseph Cottrell munson and norman brennan, thank you so much forjoining me to discuss this incredibly hard story , isnt it . You are with story, isnt it . You are with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. After the break, well continue the Great British debate. Im asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn from the letby murders . Youll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie candy and political matthew political commentator matthew stadlen. But first, its the latest headlines with tatiana sanchez. Donna, thank you. The latest donna, thank you. The latest from the newsroom. The lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the formers nurse nurses conviction yesterday. It will look at the circumstances surrounding the deaths and incidents, including how concerns raised by clinicians were dealt with in a statement, the lawyers said the inquiry doesnt have the power to compel witnesses to provide evidence or produce documents and therefore lacks real teeth. Letby was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Shell be sentenced on monday. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of saira sharif in connection to her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a phone call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sarahs stepmother, uncle and five children a day before sarahs body was discovered. Detectives body was discovered. Detectives say shed suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the English Channel dunng out into the English Channel during storm betty. Coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the seas in treacherous conditions at least three were intercepted in a uk waters this morning. News understands around 100 people were on board. It comes just a week after six migrants drowned attempting the crossing. The attempting the crossing. The manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the very first time. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. You can get more start tomorrow. You can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news. Now its back to dawn. Now its back to dawn. Thank you. Tatiana, youre with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. Still to come , angela levin will still to come, angela levin will be live in the studio with this weeks roll roundup. And really interesting gossip coming up. Dont go anywhere. Be back very news the peoples. Channel news the peoples. Channel welcome back you were dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio show. Now coming up , on Digital Radio show. Now coming up, back to our Great British debate this hour. I am asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn from the lucy letby murder . Nurse letby im letby murder . Nurse letby im not using her first name. It sounds makes that sound too human. Has been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six more, making her the worst child serial killer in modern history. The neonatal nurse started attacking highly vulnerable babies in her care in 2015, but she was only arrested in 2018. Consult agents had been warning a countess of Chester Hospital bosses for months about letby connection to the unusual deaths and collapses of premature babies. But and collapses of premature babies. But doctors and collapses of premature babies. But doctors who flagged babies. But doctors who flagged concern were ordered to apologise. Letby instead say no apologise. Letby instead say no for the Great British debate i am asking does the nhs have lessons to learn from the letby murders . Now lets see what my panel make of this. Its a horrible thing to have to talk about, but i think its an important discussion. Im joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and political commentator matthew stadlen. Commentator matthew stadlen. Thank you so much for coming back on. This is an incredibly difficult thing to talk about and im sure wed much rather. But there are so many questions that need answering in particular, why the nhs bosses ignored for registrars and doctors are senior doctors at this hospital about their suspicions of lucy letby . They ignored them, which meant lucy could go on and murder three more children. Three more little boys lost their life in that penod boys lost their life in that period who would be going to period who would now be going to school . Lizzy . I mean, its. School . Lizzy . I mean, its. Its too horrific and disturbing for words and me thinking about it. It just bnngs thinking about it. It just brings tears to my eyes as it does to yours and all the viewers and listeners. Itsjust viewers and listeners. Its just too vile to think a human could do this to small, vulnerable babies. And as a parent, you put your babies in the care of a hospital thinking its the safest place. Thinking its the safest place. And for her to say trust me, im a nurse, makes my skin crawl. Lessons to be learned. You know what . Im sick of hearing this from the nhs. Lessons to be learnt. The nhs. Lessons to be learnt. Look at the other baby killer that they had as a nurse. That they had as a nurse. A beverley. A beverley. A beverley. Her name was look at Harold Shipman and you know the amount of people that they said, look, weve got to have an inquiry , weve got to have an inquiry, look how this happened. Will be learnt, lessons will be learnt, lessons will be learnt. Lessons will be learnt, les wellnill be learnt. Lessons will be learnt, les well actuallyzarnt. Lessons will be learnt, les well actually they should lessons will be learnt, leszwlearnt ually they should lessons will be learnt, leszwlearnt their they should lessons will be learnt, leszwlearnt their lessons uld lessons will be learnt, leszwlearnt their lessons and have learnt their lessons and they havent. And for nhs has blood and for me the nhs has blood on hands because the poor on their hands because the poor parents would have their children with them. Now you know, and this inquiry for me is going to take too long and like with Harold Shipman, you know, once theyve investigated those people, you know, theyve either retired and moved on or theyve, you know , passed away. Its too you know, passed away. Its too long. The parents need answers. And its so unfair. And im sorry, its not good enough. And for me, yes, the nhs do have blood on their hands and i feel its incredible that consultants could go and say, look, there is something wrong. Look, there is something wrong. And they, you know, being so woke, they didnt want to upset this letby. I wont even say a name monster because, you know, they didnt want her to be hurt and they kept her on the ward. They then even put her on to another position doing clerical stuff. But they, they why . Why why . After all those complaints and concerns, didnt they do something done . Very, very strong words. Matthew and you know, the consultants were forced to apologise to lucy letby after she actually accused them of bullying her when they came when they voiced their concerns about her behaviour, what what do you make about the nhs reaction to this this story . This this story . I think one of the things that will be central to the inquiry, i imagine, is how we got from a position in which consultants were told to apologise to this person, to then later on an arrest and then a conviction for the murder of seven babies. I think its actually the most upsetting story that that weve had in this country for a very long time that i can remember, really. And you dont need to be a parent due to understand the horror of this know that said , horror of this know that said, as a parent, as someone who was in a in a Maternity Ward , not a in a in a Maternity Ward, not a neonatal ward, but a Maternity Ward, only ten and a half months ago. And you see the ago. And you see the vulnerability not just of the babies , but of women going babies, but of women going through labour and the aftermath, which is an incredibly challenging experience for lots and lots of people to think that there was someone who was , instead of someone who was, instead of helping as everyone was helping us, doing the opposite kit, its very, very difficult to begin to come to terms with. I think the nhs clearly has massive questions that need to be asked of it. When we say the nhs, this of it. When we say the nhs, this particular hospital, but also the organisation more widely , the organisation more widely, the organisation more widely, the institution more widely , the institution more widely, because this can never be allowed to happen again. And when you have hundreds of thousands of people working , thousands of people working, your mistakes are going to be made. But these sorts of mistakes should never be made. And i think it is a really important part of our National Life moving forward that whistleblowers have to be protected probably more than they are at the moment under law. So there can be no risk of a Chilling Effect that if someone sees something that they think is obviously wrong or even potentially wrong, they need to be they need to be protected. And one of those doctors did indeed say that it had been a cover up. Were not their words. Cover up. Were not their words. We have to find out what other people are thinking. This now, very strong words from our panel very strong words from our panel. Show nothing panel. But this show is nothing without you and views. Without you and your views. Lets welcome one of our Great British voices this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about topics were think about the topics were discussing unfortunately, discussing. Unfortunately, not a fun one this afternoon. This houn fun one this afternoon. This hour, we are heading to bristol to speak with gp voice to speak with regular gp voice lee harris. Lee, good afternoon. Lee harris. Lee, good afternoon. Thank you so much for joining us. Lee thank you so much for joining us. Lee lizzy has said the nhs has blood on its hands and the doctor who complained about let this behaviour has said it was a cover up by the bosses at his hospital. What do you make of hospital. What do you make of this . This . I agree with everything that the panel have said , especially the panel have said, especially what lizzie just said. What lizzie just said. My daughter was born around the same time around 2016 when all this was happening, but as matthew said, quite rightly, you dont need to be a parent to empathise with this horrific situation. But yeah, i think situation. But yeah, i think they do have blood on the hands of course they do. From what ive read, its been a catalogue of missed opportunities, negligence , cover opportunities, negligence, cover ups and sheer arrogance by Senior Management and nhs executives. And it sounds like they cared more about pr than they cared more about pr than they did for the lives of those babies and just this moment watched or just before came on, i watched the interview with one of the paediatricians who desperately tried to warn the Hospital Board , and i found it Hospital Board, and i found it difficult to stomach , probably difficult to stomach, probably like a lot of other people, utterly wrenching. Utterly gut wrenching. I couldnt comprehend why the chief exec and the medical director apparently implied that it was the frontline doctors conveniently covering for their own potential failures and didnt want the police to attend because of concerns i couldnt comprehend why additional very direct warnings were ignored by other senior members of staff. I couldnt comprehend why the deaths had not been reported appropriately, meaning the high fatal rate could not be picked up fatal rate could not be picked p by fatal rate could not be picked up by the wider system and that subsequently made the police polices lives difficult when they investigated so many things that i couldnt comprehend from this horrible situation. And, this horrible situation. And, you know, in my opinion , the you know, in my opinion, the chief exec, the medical director and other Senior Executives who now know had they listen and could have potentially stop to further murders, should be held criminally responsible. Yeah and i do understand about the public inquiry, but i completely agree with the families that its, you know, they should be forced to attend and they should also be part of a police investigation. Part of a police investigation. Absolutely. Thats lee harris in bristol , absolutely. Thats lee harris in bristol, one of our regular gp voices. In bristol, one of our regular gp voices. Thank you so much for joining us afternoon , lee. Joining us this afternoon, lee. Even a very, very even though its a very, very sobering subject talk about sobering subject to talk about now youre with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. Coming up next, its our weekly royal round up with royal biographer angela levin. And a bit of fun with prince harry, as always. But thats all coming up after the weather. Weather. The temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello there. Im greg hurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Over the news Weather Forecast. Over the next 24 hours or so, we will see further showers largely focussed towards the northwest. The winds are easing as storm betty generally eases and moves away from the uk, allowing High Pressure to build in from the south. So the best of the sunshine over the next few days will towards the southeast of will be towards the southeast of the uk into this evening time. Still breezy across parts still fairly breezy across parts of Northern Ireland, northwest scotland with frequent showers of Northern Ireland, northwest scotlovernightfrequent showers of Northern Ireland, northwest scotlovernight ,aquent showers of Northern Ireland, northwest scotlovernight , cleart showers of Northern Ireland, northwest scotlovernight , clear spells ers here overnight, clear spells developing across parts of the midlands, Eastern England and despite this, it will still be a warm night to come. Still breezy around some western coast temperatures 15 or 16 temperatures generally 15 or 16 celsius in towns and cities , celsius in towns and cities, evenin celsius in towns and cities, even in the countryside, holding up in double figures. So sunday morning, a bright start. There will be a scattering of showers from the word across western from the word go across western parts uk as we move parts of the uk as we move through the morning. The best of the sunshine across parts of the east midlands east anglia, east midlands into east anglia, south east the south east england into the afternoon. We see, we will afternoon. We will see, we will see some scattered heavy showers developing , but of places developing, but lots of places will dry. Still breezy will stay dry. Still breezy across northwest. Across the far northwest. Temperatures as high teens to low 20s around 25 or 26, perhaps towards the south east of england into monday. The similar start to the weekend really , start to the weekend really, well see showers across the west. Best of the sunshine across central and southeastern parts and through the day, temperatures will lift into the low 20s. It stays fine and dry tuesday and wednesday for many of us, the temperatures rising , of us, the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news as radio. Hello. Here were dawn neesom on gb news. Welcome to your lovely saturday afternoon. Im on tv and on your Digital Radio now. Theres always something now. Theres always something going on in the royal household, isnt there . And this week has been no different. What a surprise. Prince william is surprise. Prince william is facing criticism mainly from me, it has to be said, for not attending the womens World Cup Final in australia. Hes just final in australia. Hes just released this message to the lionesses have a look. Lionesses want to send you a huge good luck for tomorrow. Were sorry you cant be there in person. So proud of everything it was so proud of everything youve achieved and the millions youve inspired here and around the there the world. So go out there tomorrow and really enjoy yourselves. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Im joined by royal biographer angela levin to give us a rundown on that clip and Everything Else thats going on. Angela, thank you so much for joining me. Welcome that that clip has just been released by Prince William, who is president of the faa. And im sorry, of the faa. And im sorry, i know we disagree on this one, but the phrase im sorry we cant be there with you. And cant be there with you. And its got Princess Charlotte sitting with him. Its a huge football fan. Sports fan. Yeah. Football fan. Sports fan. Yeah. Im sorry. Im angry. I should be there. I think. Well, he cant be there really , because he would there really, because he would be going against a lot of things that said. Be going against a lot of things tha is said. Be going against a lot of things tha is a said. Be going against a lot of things tha is a great believer in and is a great believer in and not actually travelling long journeys if theyre for very, very quick and hes only going to be there for a very short time and i think he was up against a wall, but if he does 90, against a wall, but if he does go, hes going to be attacked by everyone you cant try everyone who says you cant try and save the world and make things clean. If youre going to travel all this time on planes and come back and go there so quickly and on the other hand, if he doesnt go, he gets lots of attacks from people. Itd be there if it was the men playing. Dont think actually. I dont think so, actually. I mean, stopped several mean, hed stopped several matches when there was something wrong. He couldnt go to russia. He was all geared up to do that. And he a few years ago, i think about 5 or 6 years ago, and he couldnt do that because it was just after they had poisoned one of their people who was in the uk. He had to drop that at the last minute. We dont know what else hes got on. I think its quite difficult to attack him when he actually is very hard working. Huge sense of duty and has shown that he is also a very good father and that his children understand what will happen when theyre older and how they go ahead and i think it is obviously a great shame, but i dont think hes doing it for any other reason than sticking to his morals. Ill cut you some slack on that one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just okay. But the other one, the ginger one, are. And prince harry isnt it . Thats his name. Thats his name. Thats his name. Thats his name. He. There was a rumour he was actually going out to australia, which would of course, i think it just joke. Which would of course, i think it people joke. Which would of course, i think it people saidze. He go people said that he should go and would be in front of and he would be in the front of every single newspapers. Page one no, wouldnt that unsurprising hasnt been. But is there another netflix thing coming out . Please dont tell me is. Tell me there is. There is. With invictus yes, there is. With invictus games, which great games, which is harrys great thing that hes done. And theres a bit of a chat. Whether meghan go with him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing go with him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with go with him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him with him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him. Nith him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him. And him or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him. And i m or she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him. And i have she theres a bit of a chat. Whether mygoing with him. And i have toe is going with him. And i have to say , its in germany. Right. Say, its in germany. Right. Okay yeah. And he , he there was okay yeah. And he, he there was a sort of advert for it and he struck me very much as the old harry i knew in 2017 when i was writing his biography. And i writing his biography. And i asked him at the time , rather asked him at the time, rather bravely, you will agree, as a journalist that he was brilliant with the soldiers who had been damaged physically or mentally, and they said hed given them a wish to live. And i said to him, can i ask you a question , can i ask you a question, please . Do you use this as a way of helping you with your own Mental Health issues . I thought Mental Health issues . I thought hed throw me out of yeah , his hed throw me out of yeah, his palace, but he didnt at the time. And he waited about a minute. Seemed like an hour. Time. And he waited about a minute. Seemed like an hour. And minute. Seemed like an hour. And he said to me, no, youre absolutely right. It does help me. So im just wondering whether coming out whether hes actually coming out of that hes been in and of the pit that hes been in and is actually becoming more of a man himself. Man himself. Are you implying meghans a bit. Bit. No, hes in a very bad state, isnt he . Hes in a very miserable, unhappy time for him. Hes not with his. It has to be. Well, he was happy before her, but he doesnt now. But meghan. But he doesnt now. But meghan. Meghan is going and shes going to speak and its going to be to the veterans. And its about courage and resilience and i thought that was rather ironic because shes neither are we here quiet. Are we to read anything in mechanism . A stupid woman . Is she into the fact that she hasnt been wearing her Engagement Ring for a while . I mean, shes quite very obviously photographed recently, not wearing it. Yeah, well, she does all that. She does these little gimmicky things. She that gimmicky things. She does that about does this about her ring. She does this with make sure that with a patch to make sure that we still think shes a that shes still a victim. You know, shes still a victim. You know, she wants to be a victim, but she wants to be a victim, but she wants to very successful she wants to be very successful , will have loads of money until people whove worked for queen and country, which she certainly hasnt done how to behave. I find it absolutely extraordinary i and so basically , we it would and so basically, we it would have been fun to see him here. But finally, one quick question with you. Yes. The hair theres a picture recently with him suddenly head of hair. Suddenly dove head of hair. Whats that about . Well, its just that he looks more actually, more attractive. But actually, we all know lost his hair. We all know hes lost his hair. And was very rude about and he was very rude about william, his hair william, who has lost his hair before he did, because hes all done. At done. Obviously they did at a certain lots certain age. And hes made lots of silly comments about him. And in spare , he made jokes in his book spare, he made jokes about. And so now hes got about it. And so now hes got it. But he cant actually have photos showing that unless its happening at the moment. So theyve darkened it and theyve painted a bit on top. It doesnt look at all that. It doesnt look at all that. Its unfortunate. We have to move on there. Okay. Thank you so much for coming and joining us. Right. You always dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on digital. On digital. Radio you always dawn neesom them on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. So next hour , me Digital Radio. So next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. Coming up just a moment, young woody up in just a moment, young woody bly , the cutest little boy, bly, the cutest little boy, joins me in studio for what joins me in the studio for what is sure to be an inspiring conversation for great conversation and for the Great British debate this im asking our public figures politicising the womens world cup. But first, lets get the latest news headunes first, lets get the latest News Headlines from tatiana sanchez. Headlines from tatiana sanchez. Dawn, thank you and good afternoon. Its 5 02. This is the latest from the newsroom. Lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the former nurses conviction yesterday. It will look at the circumstances surrounding the deaths , surrounding the deaths, including how concerns raised by clinicians were dealt with. In clinicians were dealt with. In a statement, the lawyers said the inquiry doesnt have the power to compel witnesses to provide evidence or produce documents and therefore lacks real teeth. And therefore lacks real teeth. Letby was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Shell be sentenced on monday. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of sarah sharif in connection to her murder. The sharif in connection to her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sarahs stepmother, uncle and five children a day before sarahs body was discovered. Detectives body was discovered. Detectives say shed suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the channel during storm betty. Coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the sea in treacherous conditions. At least treacherous conditions. At least three were intercepted in uk waters this morning. Gb news understands around 100 people were on board. It comes just a week after six migrants drowned attempting the crossing age. Uk says hundreds of thousands of older people missed out on Financial Support for their energy bills. The Charity Claims more than 700,000 households didnt receive help from the Energy Bills Support Scheme alternative fund. It was set up for people with non direct supply arrangements such as those living in care homes, mobile homes or on boats. But age uk says the fund had completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. A and a lack of publicity. A protest over the closure of Railway Ticket offices will be staged outside downing street later this month. The rmt union later this month. The rmt union says it will stage a mass rally on the 31st of august, which is the last day of the consultation process. It warns the move to process. It warns the move to close up to 1000 offices will put more than 2000 jobs at risk. The planned action comes as Cross Country train workers staged the first of four strikes over working conditions. Rmt members will also walk out over the next three saturdays and protesters are demonstrating against the ultra low emission zone have brought traffic to a standstill in south east. Standstill in south east. London. The action comes ten days before the ulez expansion comes into force, covering the entire city. Tractors the taxi and a three wheeled car were seen spiralling around the roundabout at orpington war memorial while protesters shouted into megaphones and blew whistles. Drivers will have to whistles. Drivers will have to pay whistles. Drivers will have to pay £12. 50 daily fee from the 29th of august if their vehicles dont meet the new requirements. A state of emergency has been declared in canadas Western Province of british columbia, where wildfires are threatening homes. Thousands of people have been evacuated from the area as fires burn in the hills and mountains above west kelowna. Strong winds are fanning the flames with a fire Service Warning the blaze could reach the outskirts of the city by the weekend. Canada is facing its worst season on record with more than 1000 active fires burning across the country. Now, the across the country. Now, the prince of wales has apologised for not being able to attend the womens World Cup Final in person. In a video posted on social media, he and Princess Charlotte wished the lionesses good luck for tomorrows game. Good luck for tomorrows game. Lionesses. Lionesses. I want to send you a huge good luck for tomorrow. Were sorry you cant be there in person, were so proud person, but were so proud of everything and everything youve achieved and the inspired everything youve achieved and the and inspired everything youve achieved and the and the nspired everything youve achieved and the and the world. Here and around the world. Out there tomorrow and so go out there tomorrow and really yourselves. Good so go out there tomorrow and reallylionesseerselves. Good so go out there tomorrow and reallylionesses. � selves. Good luck, lionesses. Meanwhile , the team says its meanwhile, the team says its buoyed by the level of support ahead of the final against spain. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. The lionesses are hoping to lift the world cup trophy for the first time, but manager Sarina Wiegman says theyre treating it the same as any other game. Same as any other game. I never take anything for granted , but also now playing granted, but also now playing another finals. Yeah, what i said is really special, but we just preparing for a game and yes it is a final, but we dont do anything different than we do normally. Normally. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to dawn. For thank you, back to dawn. For thank you, tatiana , this is gb news. Tatiana, this is gb news. Im dawn neesom and for the next hour , me and my panel will next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. This show is all about opinion, though. Mine, theirs , but most importantly, theirs, but most importantly, yours. Important yours. Youre the important ones. Well be debating, discussing and at times disagreeing, joining me today is lizzie cundy and matthew stadlen. And still to come, prepare to be inspired by my difficult conversation today. It difficult conversation today. It is. Its a real tearjerker, but its also given all the grim news around actually incredibly positive, inspiring story. Six positive, inspiring story. Six year old woody bly is on a mission to make as many lasting memories as possible after being diagnosed with a neuroblastoma blastoma , a rare cancer that blastoma, a rare cancer that developed in nerve tissue when it was just three years old. Woody is now six. His mum and his mum paige village, who have been supporting the family, will been supporting the family, will be joining me on the couch very soon. And as world cup excitement reaches fever pitch. So what we did there for the great debate this hour, so what we did there for the gam debate this hour, so what we did there for the gam asking debate this hour, so what we did there for the gam asking our ate this hour, so what we did there for the gam asking our publicis hour, so what we did there for the gam asking our public figures, i am asking our public figures, pubuc i am asking our public figures, public dismissing the womens world cup. And we know which world cup. And we know which politicians were talking about , of public , dont we . Promises of public holidays, embarrassing pictures, shoddy displays. Look at that. I shoddy displays. Look at that. I mean, pathetic those mean, how pathetic are those flags seriously. And flags . I mean, seriously. And the whole saga of who should be representing the country actually in australia as always, you can email me gbv at gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb news. And now its time for this weeks difficult conversation. Weeks difficult conversation. Three years ago, paige bligh received the news, which no parent ever wants to hear. Her little boy, woody, then aged three, was diagnosed with neuroblastoma. A very rare cancer that develops in the nerve tissue. It understandably rocked their family and for the past three years, young woody has bravely been having treatment and battling the illness in addition to the emotional strain. Its also been emotional strain. Its also been obviously a huge financial burden for the family having to travel for various treatments and readjust their life. A few and readjust their life. A few weeks ago, paige was told by woodys doctors that there were really no further treatments for woody. But that wont stop woody. But that wont stop woodys family from fighting. Woodys family from fighting. They are looking at alternative treatments and trials that woody can hopefully take part in. Im absolutely thrilled and delighted and honoured, i must say, because its so cute to say young woody, his mum and entrepreneur matt lillys fit , entrepreneur matt lillys fit, joins me now. Welcome to you joins me now. Welcome to you all. Thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. Really appreciate it. And im bringing young woody in to see us. Woody, in the tv show, youre enjoying it . Yeah, its good, isnt it . Youre enjoying it . Yeah, its good, isnt it . Right. Im going to start with you. Just tell us a little bit of the background about why what has happened to woody . I mean , he was only three woody . I mean, he was only three when he was diagnosed. When he was diagnosed. Yeah, he was three. And obviously we just went to the doctors thinking, you know, it was , you know, a normal three was, you know, a normal three year old little thing , growing year old little thing, growing pains. But, you know, this sort of like kept on going for like four months and i eventually took him to the doctors again and they said that it was june of arthritis. Of arthritis. And i was like, okay, this cant go on for four months. Like being like this. Sort of like being like this. So we took him back and then they said, look, take him to a e. So we did. We took him to anna and they kept him in overnight at barnstable hospital, rushed him down for scans and stuff, and they picked up that he had lymph nodes up all over his body and that they said it was my birthday. Actually, we got transferred up to bristol and on the 9th of october 2020, we got told that he had stage four and blastoma and that is obviously the worst news any parent and youve got two other children as well havent you. Yeah yeah i can possibly heanl yeah yeah i can possibly hear. I mean what effect does it had on your family as a family with woody siblings and obviously, you know , everything obviously, you know, everything must have been turned on its head. It was obviously like we were full working parents then full working parents and then within a week, like, we had to quit because it was just like, we cant be at like three different hospitals. Then you know, at one time. So it was me at home looking after the other two. And in the meantime i took woody and jack up to hospital and then id come back and stay and then id come back and stay and would be at least like and it would be at least like two, three weeks at a time. There would be a way. Went for a lot and then you went for a lot of chemo, didnt you . And radiotherapy, immunotherapy. Radiotherapy, immunotherapy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, its a brave little boy. Theres a lot of treatment to go through when youre so little is. Yeah and hes took it like a warrior. Hes , you know, hes , hes hes, you know, hes, hes just amazing. Oh its wonderful to have you here, woody. To have you here, woody. I hope youre enjoying your day, matt. So tell me how you became involved in in woodys story. Yeah, sure. Well, our sports yeah, sure. Well, our sports car. You see, that belongs to me. So one of his dreams and one of his wishes was to drive in a lamborghini and a friend of your family page contacted me. Persistent and. Theyre very persistent and. Theyre very persistent and. And asked. They could if i could take him out and i realised the urgency of it. So realised the urgency of it. So we made that happen within like two days. I think. Yeah. And then once i met the little chap, we had good laugh, didnt we . Woody a drive and woody went for a long drive and we in a ferrari two and we went out in a ferrari two and youve super power youve got your super power thing realised that thing going on. I realised that there is and ive come across children before. Where. Oh, look at that look woody with that woody, you are now with that car. Thats a lovely car. Yeah. He loves it. And i just yeah. He loves it. And i just didnt expect him to be so strong and so active. And you could talk to him. Hes incredible. And when i heard about the devastating news, it just didnt make any sense to me. So being entrepreneur, i figured out the box. So what can be done . Thats not on the nhs . And theyve done an incredible job get that job and page wants to get that across i to try and across. What can i do to try and use my profile to get out there, to get in front of consultants , to get in front of consultants, doctors, medicines on the nhs . And lets give this a big shot. And lets give this a big shot. And im just happy that gb news has had us on because unless youre talking about Britney Spears divorce at the moment, its very difficult get on its very difficult to get on anything. Took such an anything. And they took such an interest nanas been incredible. Were asensea incredible. Were a sense a best to so were in a sense a best to all. By the way, shes apologised. Be here. Apologised. She cant be here. And i apologise. Me and i apologise. You got me instead. But yeah, so, so, so thats how i came involved to try and lead this campaign to get help. And im willing to fund all the treatment on and so the treatment and so on and so forth. There be doctor forth. But there must be doctor out somewhere out there in london or somewhere whos special. Well, we know there weve seen there is, dont we . Weve seen children from this. So what, what, what what have you discovered is available that youd to move forward to youd like to move forward to doing just some sort of treatment really to hopefully you know, to help him. Theres children with his condition. Theyve had his condition same age who are still doing a while alive now, 17, 25. Theyve had chemo and treatments available to them that arent licenced in this country. Under normal nhs rules. Right. So that would involve travelling abroad, hopefully so. I mean, obviously you know, is sort of like looking at the cars got a few bob, but you are fundraising. How are you fundraising. How are you fundraising and how can people watching this help . Watching this help . Ive got a go fund me page up obviously to help woodys wishes as well. But like i said, that would go towards treatment if go towards the treatment if there available there is any available forwarding and but and its quite content when you ask what else would you like to do . I was going to say were making memories for woody here, arent we . Yeah. Yeah. Hes on tv. Hes no, hes on tv. Hes an assistant. Done assistant. You could have done this virtually, wanted this virtually, but you wanted to you . Today . To come in, didnt you . Today . You . To come in, didnt you . Today . And you . To come in, didnt you . Today . And he you . To come in, didnt you . Today . And he just you . To come in, didnt you . Today . And he just wants you . To come in, didnt you . Today . And he just wants to ou . Play and he just wants to go play on and make on the beach and make sandcastles brother and sandcastles with his brother and sister, dont you . Thats really what to do. So its what you want to do. So its all about someone who about trying to find someone who can and give can step in now and give us treatment is there treatment and is there a treatment and is there a treatment discovered treatment and is there a treatmight discovered treatment and is there a treatmight help discovered treatment and is there a treatmight help is discovered treatment and is there a treatmight help is djustered treatment and is there a treatmight help is djust wed that might help or is it just we are asking to get are still asking people to get in they know there is in touch if they know there is one, whats the situation, i suppose. Really asking yeah, just really asking to see is any out there see if there is any out there that available for woody that are available for woody because you know, nhs have because you know, the nhs have done their, their bit and im very thankful them. Very thankful for them. But i know that, you know, hes still got a big fight behind him. Yeah and yeah, its kind of hard to let him up when you see to let him give up when you see him looking. Akua hes nana akua hes nana akua superpower thing. Superpowers superpower thing. Superpowers yayi yayi go woody superman. Go woody superman. Go woody superman. Man, that is brilliant. Doesnt add up. So, so, so what . I mean, there was one quote from you, page that actually almost broke my heart. I mean, obviously , what youve been obviously, what youve been through, what is he you know, you with him you would swap places with him in in the of an eye. In in the blink of an eye. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And its yeah. And its obviously incredibly difficult for you. So i think that the details of the fundraising. Oh, im sorry. You fundraising. Oh, im sorry. You dont. You can make me cry now. The details of the fundraising page are on the gb news website. So please, if you have any information that can help little woody , its sitting here in a tv woody, its sitting here in a tv studio. I was being as good as gold. I mean, not many youngsters would well youngsters would be so well behaved. Would behaved. I dont think i would have was your age. Have been when i was your age. Woody, ive been running around. So other members so what and what other members have woody . Have you been making for woody . Loads release. Loads release. But youve been a but youve been on a helicopter why you helicopter. Why havent you been up on a helicopter . What else have you done . Can you . What else have you you tell . What else have you been doing . Oh i went in my, um i i i went in um i went in my lamborghini and im going on a flight. Im sorry. You let my wife more than me, dont you . You like the ladies, dont you . Just like the ladies, dont you . Just hoping my wife would be here today. Yeah. Oh so its flirting already . Yeah. Yeah. So . So what you yeah. Yeah. So . So what you just finally. You know, to anyone watching today, what would you like to say to them . Watching and listening. Obviously we are on radio, so what would you to to them . Just please, if there is anything out there for a neuroblastoma, know that neuroblastoma, you know that its has really just so you its it has really just so you know, its come back a bit more if there is anything just i would like to know if there is no very inspirational inspirational parents because they wont give up. They wont take no for an answer. And they wont take no for an answer. And you can see in himself he wants to fight on, dont you, woody . Yeah. He wants to fight on. So hes willing to take take a chance and. And are you page you this one . Yeah some people to step forward and there must be somewhere out there in this world. Yeah. Whove got the answer drugs or answer or try drugs or can extend yeah and thats extend things. Yeah and thats what were trying to appeal for. Yeah. And we wont give up will we. God give up. God give up. God give up. Go. Absolutely. Team woody go. Absolutely. Team woody all the way here. If you do have any information how you can help woody and page in any way, please do get in touch by the using methods. And for more information about how you can help financially with woodys appeal, help financially with woodys appeal , go to help financially with woodys appeal, go to our website now. Woody page and thank you so much for joining us. And wish you all forjoining us. And wish you all the very best. Thank you. So its often best boots and sandcastles now, is it is that the next on agenda . The next one on the agenda . What you want do next . Do you know . Do you know . Do you know . No, no. You dont have a rest now, dont you . At the hotel . At the hotel . Yeah. Its quite tiring being i yeah. Yeah. Negative star. Well as i said, thank you so much for coming and really appreciate. And hopefully someone will be able to help. Thank you much, able to help. Thank you so much, woody good superman , woody and good luck, superman, because i havent even been in a lamborghini yet, by the way. Lamborghini yet, by the way. Thats right. You know. Yeah , right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So thank you so much. Once again, youre with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. We move on. World cup fever for the Great British debate. This hour. Im asking our public figures, political rising, the womens world cup. But first, lets have a look what that weathers doing for you. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast over the next 24 hours or so, we will see further showers largely focussed towards the northwest. The winds are easing as storm betty generally eases and moves away from the uk, allowing High Pressure to build in from the south. So the best of the sunshine over the next few days will towards the southeast of will be towards the southeast of the uk into this evening time. Still breezy across parts still fairly breezy across parts of Northern Ireland, northwest scotland with frequent showers here , clear spells here overnight, clear spells developing across parts of the midlands, Eastern England and despite this, it will still be a warm night to come. Still breezy around western coast around some western coast temperatures generally 15 or 16 celsius in towns and cities , celsius in towns and cities, evenin celsius in towns and cities, even in the countryside, holding up in double figures. So sunday morning , a bright start. There morning, a bright start. There will a scattering showers will be a scattering of showers from across western from the word go across western parts uk we move parts of the uk as we move through the morning. The best of the across parts the the sunshine across parts of the east into east anglia, east midlands into east anglia, southeast england into the afternoon. We will see. We will see scattered heavy showers see some scattered heavy showers developing, but lots of places will stay dry. Still breezy across northwest. Across the far northwest. Temperatures high teens to low 20s, around 25 26, perhaps 20s, around 25 or 26, perhaps towards the southeast of england into monday. The towards the southeast of england into monday. The similar start to the weekend really , well see to the weekend really, well see showers across the west. Best of the sunshine across central and southeastern parts and through the day, temperatures will lift into the low 20s. It stays fine and dry. Tuesday and wednesday for many of us, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on news. The peoples channel, britains news. News. The peoples channel, britains news. Channel welcome back. Youre with dawn neesom on gb news, on your tv and on Digital Radio. And if you need a reminder to support young woody blight, who we just spoke to im sorry. He is just the cutest little boy. And so , the cutest little boy. And so, so bright. You can go to the gb news website for all of those details. Now its time for our Great British debate. Can i please have a drum roll for this or something . Rather . Im asking our public figures politicise the womens world cup. Tomorrow the womens world cup. Tomorrow is set to be a momentous day for the lionesses as they take on spain in the World Cup Final. Spain in the World Cup Final. But had the football festivity has been overshadowed by politics, you have number 10 accused of. Look at that. Im accused of. Look at that. Im sorry that is pathetic. That is the olympic most bedraggled bunting ive ever seen in my life. I mean , really. And rishi life. I mean, really. And rishi sunak hasnt even bothered he would if it was the boys , would if it was the boys, wouldnt he . Basically, im sorry. That is ridiculous. And not to mention, this is my favourite ed davey actually trying to pretend. Well, trying trying to pretend. Well, trying to. I think hes trying to look like he thinks men look like in the pub when theyre watching football. Major fail. I mean , football. Major fail. I mean, what does he think he looks like . I can tell you, but i cant. Its a we cant use that sort of language on air. Right. Okay. And then there is sir keir starmer calling for a bank houday starmer calling for a bank holiday if the lionesses win , holiday if the lionesses win, you know, the bank holiday where the economy crashes, and then he can blame the tory party and say he wouldnt have it even he wouldnt have done it even though it, that he wouldnt have done it even thouof it, that he wouldnt have done it even thouof thing. It, that he wouldnt have done it even thouof thing. So it, that he wouldnt have done it even thouof thing. So for it, that he wouldnt have done it even thouof thing. So for the that he wouldnt have done it even thouof thing. So for the great sort of thing. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking figures, asking our public figures, pubuc asking our public figures, public dismissing the womens world. To discuss this, am world cup. To discuss this, i am joined by Peter Spencer, political commentator ben habib , former brexit party mep reem ibrahim Communications Officer at the iea, and Michael Kille , at the iea, and Michael Kille, ceo of Night Time Industries association. Thank you all for joining me on this saturday afternoon. I dont even know afternoon. I dont even know where to start. Im going to start with ed davey pitcher, because im sorry. Hes the leader, the sdp, the lib dem leader. Just in case anyones wondering , leader. Just in case anyones wondering, im going to im going to with you , brian, going to come with you, brian, first on this one. I look, its womens football. We see celebrating what theyre doing in stead. Is it being politicised . Oh, absolutely. Politicised . Oh, absolutely. And i think that, you know, fundamentally youve got to start with the fact that start off with the fact that theyre well. Theyre doing incredibly well. As a country need to and we as a country need to be incredibly proud of them for what theyre doing. What theyre doing. But mean, these calls for but i mean, these calls for a bank are absurd they bank holiday are absurd and they really hurt economy. Really will hurt the economy. Colleague, jessop my colleague, Julian Jessop at the predicted it at the is predicted that it could the economy up to £1 billion. And theres also the element of the fact that a bank holiday really is only a bank holiday for class people that for middle class people that work the office, those that work in the office, those that are pubs, are working bars and in pubs, theyre going to be have theyre still going to be have to working. Theyre still going to be have to so norking. Theyre still going to be have to so its. Ing. Theyre still going to be have to so its really about who this so its really about who this is actually to for. So its really about who this is actually to for. Be it is actually going to for. Be it is actually going to for. Be it is like virtue is sort of like virtue signalling is sort of like virtue sig|and1g got to remember the and weve got to remember the economic these Bank Economic cost of these Bank Holidays are huge. Its pretty much i think its pretty much hopefully weve got bank hopefully weve got a bank houday up hopefully weve got a bank holiday up on monday week holiday coming up on monday week in havent we . The in any case, havent we . The august holiday. Michael, august bank holiday. Michael, im you next august bank holiday. Michael, im ceo you next august bank holiday. Michael, im ceo night time| next year. Ceo of Night Time Industries. This industries association. This this ed davey this picture of ed davey pretending hes in a pub, having a boys. Lets lets go a come on, boys. Lets lets go win football lets cheer win the football and lets cheer the you want him the girls on. Would you want him in night time industry venue in any night time industry venue you are running . You are running . Well, its a challenge. Well, its a challenge. Well, its a challenge. I mean, many people probably facing the wrong way, but it definitely looks extremely staged and, you know, i mean , staged and, you know, i mean, look, weve seen this for many years now as the audiences are growing, the opportunity for media, the penetration in terms of the market worldwide, you know, politics is going to play a part, doesnt matter how much you advocate for them not to be playing a part, they will do. You know as jittery and you know as as jittery reiterate, mean, the england reiterate, i mean, the england football and womens england football and Womens England Football Team have done phenomenally well and theyre really to going benchmark it this weekend. And in trustingly enough you talk about the bank houday enough you talk about the bank holiday but weve also had an announcement asking that michael gove allow for pubs to open earlier. And as spoken this sort of moment to say , look, please, of moment to say, look, please, can you open that . You know, every local authority allow for these pubs to open earlier and almost just to sort of generate almost just to sort of generate a little bit of sort of headline press. So sadly , i agree wholeheartedly. The politics is encroaching on sport, but mainly because there is such a huge platform for it. And i just wish they would backit and i just wish they would back it up in terms of supporting support at grassroots, particularly for womens football , which we know womens football, which we know is not up to compared to is not up to scratch compared to the mens etcetera. So the mens teams, etcetera. So i would advocate that they do more towards that and stop sort of with the rhetoric and playing in the background in terms of the pubuc the background in terms of the public key pieces that theyre going afterjust just so that going after just just so that they grab headlines just they can grab headlines just momentarily. Momentarily. Ben, well come to you next. I i expect that, you know, weve already referred to the bank houday already referred to the bank holiday situation of holiday situation and sort of like pubs having licences. I suspect been men suspect if it had been men playing in the world cup all of this would have been sorted out before than minute before rather than a last minute thing. So, you its thing. So, you know, its amazing. Womens game, amazing. Womens game, fantastic. But the politicians are sort of giving it a bit of a sour taste, arent they . Well, ive got to start with that photograph of ed davey , that photograph of ed davey, which is the closest thing ive seen. A liberal democrat get to, you know, toxic, masculine unity. Know hes got his arm up. And i dont think a liberal democrat should do that. They should have their sleeves neatly rolled into place, you know, like i have. And they should look part. But look, look the part. But look, politics has always had a place in international sport, particularly. Its a conduit through which countries express soft power. You know , the us, soft power. You know, the us, russia, theyve always taken the olympics incredibly seriously because its their way of projecting their domestic capabilities onto the world stage. And of course , these stage. And of course, these politicians all now want to get on the bandwagon because the lionesses are doing incredibly well. Why would they want to be left standing on the side having been passed by . But youre quite right, dawn, you know, its all a minute, isnt it . A bit last minute, isnt it . It is very much. A bit last minute, isnt it . It is very much. Were it is very much. Were running out. Were running out of unfortunately quickly of time. Unfortunately quickly to peter, a political commentator, last word on this yet the politicising it but the one political gesture they should be making, i having the Prime Minister there supporting the Football Team in the womens Football Team in sydney hasnt happened. Rishi sydney hasnt happened. Rishi should have gone, shouldnt he . Yeah i yeah i mean he claims to be a political , a sorry football political, a sorry Football Supporter and indeed so does keir starmer. And theyre both pretty rubbish and actually saying anything about it. But saying anything about it. But the fact remains that when it comes to the politicisation of course theyre going to want to own it and get some of that magic dust to spring all over them because the eyes of the world are on these guys and itll be the first time if they pull it off tomorrow that the cup has come home in over half a century. So its a hugely big deal century. So its a hugely big deal. Huge kudos for the uk and of course the politicians wish to be associated with it. I mean, look, go back. Do you think back to when tony blair first came in and he invited loads of rock stars in cool britannia. What a brilliant idea. I mean, foolish, not there will all be if we do it. And go, girls, they will all be claiming they helped them. It was the politicians. What won it. So Peter Spencer michael kill reem ibrahim and ben habib. Thank you so much for joining kill reem ibrahim and ben habib. Thank you so much forjoining me on that one. And if you go into the pub, try not to look at davids wrong. Youre with dawn davids wrong. Youre with dawn neesom gb news, on tv neesom on gb news, on your tv and Digital Radio. Dont go and on Digital Radio. Dont go anywhere. More coming up very soon after the News Headlines with tatiana sanchez. With tatiana sanchez. Donna, thank you and good afternoon. This is the latest from the gb newsroom. The lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the former nurses conviction yesterday. 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Coming up on the show, were continuing the Great British debate. Drumroll. Im going to make this up myself. Now and our public figures politicised the womens world cup. Perish the thought. World cup. Perish the thought. Stay tuned news the peoples. Channel news the peoples. Channel welcome back. Your dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on Digital Radio. And just a reminder, if you want to support young woody blight, who is gorgeous, i spoke to him earlier on and his lovely mom page. You can go to the gb news website for all the details there on your screens. Now now its time for our Great British debate this hour. For our Great British debate this hour. Im asking our public figures politicising the womans world cup. Perish the thought. A tomorrow is set to be a momentous day for the lionesses as they take on spain in the World Cup Final, just in case youve forgotten. But had the football festivities been overshadowed by politics, you have number 10 accused of. Im sorry. Look that is pathetic. Thats the olympics bunting ive ever seen. Not putting enough effort in really . That is effort in really . That is pathetic. Due to the honestly, its not even bunting, is it . It wants to be bunting when it grows up. Not to mention ed davey. Grows up. Not to mention ed davey. I love that picture. I davey. I love that picture. I posing for a photo shoot. No, posing for a photo shoot. No, its cheering on the team in his local pub doing what men do dunng local pub doing what men do during a celebration. Thats a semi final win, by the way. I have no idea what hes actually doing. And then you have circus starmer calling for the bank holiday. The lionesses holiday. If the lionesses win. Remember at and also there is the licencing thing that we can now do but they didnt think about it in plenty of time like they would have done for the mens for the great mens going. So for the Great British this hour, im british debate this hour, im asking our public figures politicise missing the womens world cup. Now back to make what world cup. Now back to make what they make of this particular one is my wonderful panel. That is lizzie cundy and matthew stadlen. Now, im sorry. I want you both to recreate. Im going to im not taking an argument here. Recreate that. Ed davey, who is recreate that. Ed davey, who is something to do with the lib dem, is a lib dem recreate that but yeah go lizzie. Well, actually he was facing the wrong way from the tv. Mistake. Youre thats one mistake. Youre supposed this. Supposed to actually watch this. You the tv. You are you watch the tv. You are supposed the tv. Supposed to look at the tv. On. Does a man you come on. How does a man watch football . You come on. How does a man watwell, tball . Points out well, it just points out right, up this because right, ive dug up this because this really sunak the this was really sunak the Prime Minister last year when englands euros. Englands women won the euros. And it is kind of almost identical what hes doing. There is always theres its incredibly naff when politicians get involved. Unfortunately , we couldnt we unfortunately, we couldnt we couldnt that. Unfortunately couldnt see that. Unfortunately but you it, its but if you google it, its really good. Yeah. Yeah. The point that when all the point is that when all politicians and do it, dont politicians try and do it, dont they on the they, they try and jump on the bandwagon and some them bandwagon and some of them actually no their foot. But actually do. No their foot. But i keir starmer i think keir starmer is a massive fan. He just dropped a video day, but calling massive fan. He just dropped a video bank day, but calling massive fan. He just dropped a video bank holidayy, but calling massive fan. He just dropped a video bank holiday smacks. Ling for a bank holiday smacks. Doesnt it have trying to get in on the action and its so naff and also its jinxing it. I think the australians are calling for a bank holiday and then knock out. So then we knock them out. Yeah. So for sake, as i tweeted for goodness sake, as i tweeted him, it man. For goodness sake, as i tweeted hinyeah. It man. For goodness sake, as i tweeted hinyeah. And it man. For goodness sake, as i tweeted hinyeah. And they|an. For goodness sake, as i tweeted hinyeah. And they lost the yeah. And they lost the australians lost in the three four playoff plays today. Four playoff plays today. We know flip flop you we know captain flip flop you know he probably changed sides halfway through the match but the old keir starmer, hell be supporting spain after 40 minutes. This is it. We have got a bank holiday coming up, by the way, on monday week. Its not like there isnt one happening very, very soon. I know, but its very last minute, isnt it . I eu 5 look whats outside i mean, look whats outside 10 0h, i mean, look whats outside 10 oh, word. 10 downing street. Oh, my word. I am. So thats pathetic. Im so i am. So thats pathetic. Im so underwhelmed. Rishi if thats the best you can do. And he should really be on a plane and be in australia. Support eating this side. Do we know why time in history. Were in the world cup. We know why. Why Prince William is not going, dont we . Because of the environment. And ive one ive already said thats one thing. Only if he wouldnt thing. But only if he wouldnt have gone if the men had got to the final. Otherwise, its absurd. But does the final. Otherwise, its absurd. Know but does the final. Otherwise, its absurd. Know rishi iut does the final. Otherwise, its absurd. Know rishi sunak s the final. Otherwise, its absurd. Know rishi sunak its anyone know why rishi sunak its not well. Not going well. Its not on holiday. You see, i think hes back his i think hes back from his houday i think hes back from his holiday man. Holiday with this man. This would i dont know. But this would be would be good be one time. It would be good for go. For him to go. It really would. Instead of pretending the pretending like he did on the run Prime Minister, run ups to being Prime Minister, where hes talking about southampton, got the he got southampton, he got the he got the wrong and then there the score wrong and then there was pictures of pods , you was pictures of those pods, you know, nothing set up know, nothing against set up stage pictures, as you know, with me. But in the ground, i mean, seriously in the ground, you know , in the Football Ground you know, in the Football Ground and pretending go , you know, and pretending to go, you know, the nail on the head here. I dont understand how these politicians understand politicians cannot understand from whatever party they from whatever party that they cannot see that we can see. That is so transparently faked stage, whatever you want it for the public, we can see through it. Its so pathetic. Be real. Its so pathetic. Be real. So why do they do it . Why are they insist . I mean, why do they insist on doing it . I mean, i remember once going back a bit now, to interview tony now, i went to interview tony blair to blair and obviously it had to research. On research. You do some notes on me and everything. So he me and everything. And so he knew that im going to talk about i a about football because i know a lot football. Certainly about football because i know a lot end football. Certainly about football because i know a lot end football. So rtainly about football because i know a lot end football. So rtai sits east end football. So he sits down goes to me. So i down and he goes to me. So i understand aston villa understand youre an aston villa fan like , well, no, my fan and its like, well, no, my claret blue is sort of claret and blue is sort of right, but its west ham. Yeah, actually, do you remember he trying really remember he was trying really hard. A newcastle hard. I think he was a newcastle fan. And to fair to him, he fan. And to be fair to him, he did a few header did try and do a few header headers. He keep up . Did try and do a few header heewasy. He keep up . Did try and do a few header heewas with he keep up . Did try and do a few header heewas with his1e keep up . Did try and do a few header heewas with his headep up . Did try and do a few header heewas with his head with up . Did try and do a few header heewas with his head with kevin he was with his head with kevin keegan , remember that . Keegan, remember that . Very embarrassing, it was very embarrassing, wasnt it . Quite embarrassing. It was quite embarrassing. Please fools please stop pretending the fools you know, they think we are fools. And sadly, we can see fools. And sadly, we can see straight through them. And please , rishi, do something with please, rishi, do something with that front door. Honestly, i that front door. Honestly, i feel like going around doing it myself. Could a betterjob. Myself. I could do a betterjob. Exactly. If had well, exactly. If it had gone and there pitch. We and there was one pitch. We havent. To havent. We havent managed to get the cat get that one. Whats the cat called . Larry . Larry the cat literally sitting bunting sitting in front of that bunting looking all us are going looking like all of us are going like , what hell is this . Like, what the hell is this . I mean, but the thing is, as you lizzy, havent you said, lizzy, we havent theres preparation. Like if you said, lizzy, we havent the|boys preparation. Like if you said, lizzy, we havent the|boys were 3aration. Like if you said, lizzy, we havent the|boys were playing. Like if you said, lizzy, we havent the|boys were playing. Okay if you said, lizzy, we havent the|boys were playing. Okay you the boys were playing. Okay you know, the supermarkets would have been full of basically for months beforehand Bank Holidays would have been sorted out. The licencing laws would have been sorted out just in case. But its actually, its would have been organised. Stinks sexism. Its so stinks of sexism. Its so much for the men. I much different for the men. I honestly i disappointing honestly i was so disappointing even going into my local supermarket and there was no flags, no one seemed excited. You know, i remember with the mens and we didnt get anywhere. Everyone anywhere. By the way, everyone was, you know, flags everywhere. You know, people come naturally, though. Im not sure you can force it. I think, no, it should. Having what ive said about having said what ive said about the this stuff , you the staging of this stuff, you do politicians to take do want politicians to take account of developers in the womens game and if we win, just wait till you see what rishi sunak will do. Yes oh well, can you imagine if i do think the rest of us has to be natural . Yeah, we were talking about this earlier. Test is when you feel it the test is when you feel it in gut for the first in your gut and for the first time womens football, i felt in your gut and for the first tirin womens football, i felt in your gut and for the first tirin mynomens football, i felt in your gut and for the first tirin my gut ens football, i felt in your gut and for the first tirin my gut duringotball, i felt in your gut and for the first tirin my gut during that l, i felt it in my gut during that semi final and millions semi final. And if millions of people country are people around the country are having experience, having that same experience, then the next were in a then the next time were in a world final , lets hope World Cup Final, lets hope were a world final were in a World Cup Final again. I think it will be bigger. Yeah, absolutely. Also, it was in it doesnt help that it was in australia timing we australia because the timing we remember played remember when england played in korea, japan we all korea, in japan in 2002, we all had together at nine in had to get together at nine in the its weird. The morning. Its weird. Its going to yeah, but its still going to be me on a sunday be tough for me on a sunday getting time. But im getting up at that time. But im doing a world cup. Im not that doing a world cup. Im not that because im doing is going to another football match. The enemy is going to struggle. Woman flee to drink that glass of champagne at 11 00 tomorrow morning, well be doing the football. But am bit disappointed but i am a bit disappointed with the debbie downers with some of the debbie downers that look, this that are saying, look, this isnt great as the mens isnt as great as the mens football. Its a different category. Its like comparing a heavyweight boxer to a lightweight. Theyre both lightweight. Theyre both as good exactly but good in their own. Exactly but but the women have proved that they can through penalties , they can get through penalties, unlike our boys. And were at the final first time in history. It is going to be, oh, were going to have such a party and theyre to bring it home. Theyre going to bring it home. Say that, look, you ill just say that, look, you cant pretend it is as big because you to deal with because you have to deal with the i was arsenal the fact. So i was at arsenal last taking my last weekend taking my stepfather , and was a massive stepfather, and he was a massive goonen stepfather, and he was a massive gooner. To get tickets gooner. We tried to get tickets all last season. It was their great do we great season. Couldnt do it. We went game of the went to the first game of the season was bang in the season and that was bang in the middle england the middle of england playing in the quarterfinal. By quarterfinal. Yeah, obviously by definition have definition you wouldnt have that playing. That when the men are playing. But that was but the fact that there was 70,000 us at a Football Game 70,000 of us at a Football Game when england were in world cup when england were in a world cup quarterfinal shows that there is still progress to be made. But i think it will happen. Know what . You see well, you know what . You see what womens football what happens to womens football after that . Well, fingers crossed and we bnng well, fingers crossed and we bring as well. Bring that cup home as well. Right. Is nothing right. But this show is nothing without your its without you and your views. Its not or me not just about those two or me even. Lets welcome of even. So, lets welcome some of our Great British voices. This is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really is your opportunity to be on the show aboutell us what you really is your opportunity to be on the show about the s what you really is your opportunity to be on the show about the topics you really is your opportunity to be on the show about the topics were eally think about the topics were discussing today. Joined by discussing today. Im joined by three of my Great British voices today. Three of my Great British voices today. Lets miranda today. Lets go to Miranda Richards , who is from richards, who is from northamptonshire. Miranda, thank northamptonshire. Miranda, thank you very much for joining us. Miranda, what do you make of this . Mean, doing this this . I mean, are we doing this womens world cup properly . I womens world cup properly . I think its a bit like everything you know, the womens game has definitely turned the last couple of years. The support for the lionesses is just growing and growing. And i think were right. It has to become natural to us. Weve had every game on here in my pub and weve watched every game. You know, were right behind them. Were all ready for tomorrow morning. We cant wait. Were all really excited. And there is all really excited. And there is there is a growing population of people that are watching. And thankfully , its starting with thankfully, its starting with the young ones because theyre the young ones because theyre the ones that are going to be the ones that are going to be the next generation of football viewers. And that will take that womens game and grow it. You know, theyre doing so well. I think thats the most important thing we have to remember. If you blink quickly when youre watching the game , its not watching the game, its not watching the game, its not watching other game watching any other game of football dont football, except they dont spend on the floor spend longer on the floor rolling around, holding their knees. Far knees. You know, theyre far more active in what theyre doing. And its actually doing. And its a far actually better game to watch. And im a big fan. Big football fan. Brilliant. Thank you thats brilliant. Thank you very much that. Go to very much for that. We go to obrien dugan, who is joining us from solihull. Good afternoon , from solihull. Good afternoon, brian. What do you make of this . Are we doing it properly . Theres probably the place to for be this game. But look , its for be this game. But look, its a tremendous accomplishment by the lionesses and it really should be recognised. Its something that should be really organic. And so , i mean, its no organic. And so, i mean, its no shock or surprise that politicians might be grandstanding over this and jumping on the bandwagon. The latest bandwagon. But but there latest bandwagon. But but there should be some genuineness and earnestness about the support for the lionesses and everyone should be behind them. And in terms of the Prime Minister listen, if it was the man in the World Cup Final , it wouldnt World Cup Final, it wouldnt even be a decision. And thered be no debate. And the Prime Minister would be there and think that he should be representing the country at this final as well. I thought you were going to suggest maybe that larry the cat might be going in this place. But but really, everyone should be behind them. And the politicians , too. And lets hope its a big win and were all going to hopefully have a pint with with miranda in her local or in her in her own pub. Right now to jonathan jones, who joins us from cornwall. Jonathan, do you make of jonathan, what do you make of how handling this womens how were handling this womens world . Hi. World cup . Hi. Keep yeah, definitely keep politics out of it. You know, footballers should be fun and entertaining and yeah, it doesnt matter whether its boys or girls or whoevers playing should be fun to watch and the politics out of it. And keep the politics out of it. Its a bit like meeting with and keep the politics out of it. Its oppositionneeting with and keep the politics out of it. Its opposition shouldnt with and keep the politics out of it. Its opposition shouldnt be ith the opposition shouldnt be right or left. We should just have fun and talk to each other i sorry. Absolutely sorry. Were of itd were running out of time. Itd be very quick. And finally we are david baum, who is are going to david baum, who is joining watford. David joining us from watford. David i dont very quick one. It shows you how much the establishment like it. Nike have refused to release a replica of the goalies shirt despite being asked. So until they start taking it correctly , they start taking it correctly, then nobody is. I love to see serena wightman managing a premier team. Think she basically wiped the floor with most of the managers. Absolutely. Thank you. Yes she would actually a big fan of her. Thank you so much for joining us. All of you. Now its time for the bit. I really dread because i have no idea what im doing, to be honest with you. The quickfire quiz its the quickfire quiz, its the part show where i test my part of the show where i test my panel some of other panel on some of the other stories hitting headlines stories hitting the headlines right. Lizzie and matthew right now. Lizzie and matthew are here. They have buzzers and were not were not conforming to gender stereotypes because matthews got the pink one. And this is the blue one. See, we can do that, right . Okay. Now, how does this work . Do i ask questions . Now . You questions , right . You ask questions, right . You ask questions, right . The answer. You ask questions, right . Questionthe answer. You ask questions, right . Question one, nswer. You ask questions, right . Question one, sheer. You ask questions, right . Question one, she says so question one, she says nervously , never thats nervously, i never get. Thats right. Question one at school in scotland has made the headlines this for welcoming a large this week for welcoming a large number of pupils that happen to be twins. Sets of twins, that be twins. Sets of twins, that is. But how many twins joined the school . Closest answer wins the school . Closest answer wins. Did they . 20. Did they . 20. Okay. Okay. Okay. And the answer is 17. Well, you didnt even give me an answer. I lost that. I lost that. All right. All right. All right. You just that was close. 18. You just that was close. 18. Just jump , lizzie with the just jump, lizzie with the one. I was going to say eight. I was going to say eight. All right. Okay okay. Very, very well done, lizzie. At one point for lizzie, someone keeps score this as someone keeps score on this as well. At it. Right . Well. Im rubbish at it. Right . Question this week saw the question two this week saw the first mother daughter duo to first mother and daughter duo to do what together . Go to space, do what together . Go to space, climb Mount Everest or build a house. I think that was you, matthew. Climb Mount Everest. Climb Mount Everest. Climb Mount Everest. Lizzie. Oh go to space. All right. Okay. I scrolled down. I told you i was rubbish at this. Why dont we talk about football some more . Anyway, answer is going to space, so. But i mean, that was lizzie cheating, right . Questions group eight questions from group eight species of snake was named after which famous actor this week. Which a famous actor this week. Kim kardashian. Harrison ford or robert. That was matthew i think robert. That was matthew i think harrison ford. And the answer is harrison ford. And the answer is harrison ford. And the answer is harrison ford. Harrison ford. Yes, because of tomb raider. Yes, because of tomb raider. It was a natural edge. It was a natural edge. Yes. Yes. Come on. Well done. Come on. Well done. Right. Okay. A question for very, very quickly. This one, a huge temporary structure was erected in newcastle this week. But im sorry, im not going. But im sorry, im not going. But what was lizzie is bad on this one. But what was it made out of . A hay b cardboard or c bones . Bones . Lizzie hey. Lizzie hey. Lizzie hey. Okay. And the answer is i never called cardboard out. Oh. Well, i think won i that, though. I think i won that too. All then. Are we. Are we . Yeah no, i give up. Oh, we got one more final. Okay the final. The final. Im very competitive. Right tomorrow. No, really. Tomorrow tomorrow. No, really. Tomorrow is the womens World Cup Final. Is the womens World Cup Final. How many years has it been since an England National team won the world cup . Closest answer if you dont know this , you really do dont know this, you really do need 57. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Go on. Go on. Lizzy, whats your answer . 57. 57. 57. Its a yes , darling. Its a draw. Its a draw. Its a draw. Lets do the baby. Lets do the baby. Yes. Ooh yes. Ooh and can i just quickly say ive just had a message off woody little woody, because its not actually up on the gb news website. Its go fund me, woody blight. We are truly devastated. Finally. Finally. Finally. Thank you very much. Help woody is a gorgeous. It is. Right. Weve got to help with it quickly. Right. Weve got to help with it qprediction for tomorrows prediction for tomorrows game lizzy its going to penalties its us england penalties and its us england the girls, the lionesses are bringing it home, but it will go to penalties. To be on the its going to be on the stuff. Will have a lucky pants. I have matthew. I have matthew. Lucky pants or not . No lucky pants. Prediction. Were going to win 3 1 in normal time. 310. Positive 310. Positive i like that. I like that. Right. Okay well, we have to go. Oh, my god. Its been a blast. Thank you so much. Right. On todays show, weve been asking, have asking, does the nhs have lessons to learn lucy letby lessons to learn from lucy letby murders . According to our twitter poll, 92. 5 of you say yes and 7. 5 7. 5 say no. I mean really. Thank you to lizzie and matthew and now thank you for your company. Ive loved it and support woody bright and support the girls tomorrow. Have a wonderful sunday. Well see you later. Oh, the temperatures rising. Boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im greg hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast over the next 24 hours or so, we will see further showers largely focussed towards the northwest. The winds are easing as storm betty. 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