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Youre watching gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news. Channel well, on the 29th of august, thats two weeks. Today, the ulez extension will come in. Ive got to tell you, living on the edges of Greater London and kent, i have never seen such concern and such anger as i have over this issue. Pensioners that over this issue. Pensioners that say they simply cant afford to go out to the shops if its going to cost them £12, 50 people who own horsebox cars, none of which are ulez compliant. Indeed, where i live on the borders, there are actually more horses than there are people. Now its all being done in the name of air quality. And yet for nearly the whole of the outer london areas, air quality is simply not an issue. There have been various challenges as to mayor khan. All of them have mayor khan. All of them have failed. And it seems the failed. And it seems the government , the National Government, the National Government, the National Government has not really been in fighting mood because heres what the secretary of state for transport, mark harper, said in april in an interview with gb news camilla tominey. It is the mayor of londons responsible city the power to rule out schemes like that are devolved. So it is his devolved. So it is his responsibility. It is devolved. So it is his responsibility. It is his decision. And my message is very decision. And my message is very clear. If you decision. And my message is very clear. If you dont like what hes doing, then youll have an opportunity. Londoners will have an opportunity in the ballot box next year to express that view very clearly. Youre right, its unpopular to have had have had it with me by lots of it raised with me by lots of people, not just in london, but around london. Dont have around london. But i dont have the stop it happening. The power to stop it happening. Its devolved responsibility. Its a devolved responsibility. The mayor of london is responsible for it. He is accountable. And its for voters accountable. And its for voters to hold him accountable. To hold him accountable. Well, im sorry, mark harper. I disagree with that fundamentally. I think you do have the power. I think you do have the power. I think you do have the power. I think you do have the ability to act and to wait until next may will be too late for so many people and so many businesses that simply wont be able to survive here, folks, is how the government can do it. In 1999, the Greater LondonAuthority Act went through. That was the act that created the london assembly, created the london assembly, created the london assembly, created the mayor an article 143 of that act , created the mayor an article 143 of that act, directions by created the mayor an article 143 of that act , directions by the of that act, directions by the secretary of state at one where the secretary of state considered that the transport strategy is in consistent with National Policy as relating to transport and the inconsistency is detrimental to any area outside Greater London. He may direct the mayor to make such revisions of a transport strategy in order to remove the inconsistency as may be specified in the direction, and it goes on in the second part to basically say that thats what the mayor will have to do. So lets look at this. What is without doubt is that khans policy of ulez extension is dead mental. Thats the word. It is detrimental to every county that borders Greater London, whether its essex or kent or surrey or round. You know, to bedfordshire or wherever it may be. It is because the number of People Living outside the ulez area whove got their vans who go into london to do their business, nurses that live outside of Greater London, whove got cars that arent compliant. And remember, the compliant. And remember, the only people all that will pay this charge are those who havent got the money to have new compliant motor cars. This is a tax on the poorer end of society. So thats without doubt that its detrimental to areas outside of Greater London. The question would be is , is it question would be is, is it inconsistent with National Policies relating to transport . Well, you could argue that dunng well, you could argue that during boriss green phase that probably when khan put this forward , the conservative party forward, the conservative party wasnt that bothered about it. But theres been a big change in this and at the moment the conservatives do not support this ulez charge. And interestingly , nor does sir keir interestingly, nor does sir keir starmer, because not only has he said he would not support ulez style zones going around other towns and cities in this country, hes also now said hes opposed to this one. So the conservatives have a chance to delay all of this. And yes, of course, of course, sadiq khan may take them to a judicial review to test the law, but that would kick the can way down the road , certainly past the mayoral road, certainly past the mayoral elections next may. And even perhaps quite close to the next general election. This is something the conservatives could do that would boost their popularity and frankly, i think split the labour party in many ways. And save many , many ways. And save many, many people, pensioners, Small Businesses, those who havent got expensive motor cars, save them from an awful lot of pain. It seems to me to be absolutely a no brainer that mark harper needs to liven up , roll a no brainer that mark harper needs to liven up, roll his sleeves up and get involved in the fight. But has he got the bottle . Will you tell me farage bottle . Will you tell me farage gbnews. Com has he got the bottle 7 gbnews. Com has he got the bottle . Well, joining me is Simon Fawthrop , conservative fawthrop, conservative councillor in the london borough of bromley. Now weve had colin smith, the Council Leader on the show in the past and at the time there were five of the outer boroughs that were fighting a legal action against sadiq khan. But there was nothing those london boroughs could do to stop this from going ahead , was there . No, that that was right. We tried because we had to try for the for the sake of all those people that you identified that are suffering, the frail, the elderly , etcetera. So its elderly, etcetera. So its really important that we tried, but not going to throw but were not going to throw good money after bad as it were. So were now looking for other ways. And youve quite rightly, nigel, identified died that particular clause in the act and actually you missed out the first bit of that which says the secretary of state can sanders so all he has to do is consider something and thats a very low bar or you know, consider something its low bar. Its not beyond reasonable doubt. Beyond reasonable doubt. But he has to give a direction as well, doesnt it . Yes yes. So if he so he consider it and then he gives a direction, says, hey, hold off. And if i was him, id just say, do what . Hold off until the mayoral elections. You know . Yes. Because in that clip where harper waving harper appears to be waving a white flag, he says its up to the voters decide, well, he the voters to decide, well, he can this a real can actually make this a real election issue now, cant he . He indeed. And in fact, he can indeed. And in fact, we that khan frightened we know that khan is frightened of that i challenged him of that because i challenged him after Court Decision after that high Court Decision and mr khan, have and said, come on, mr khan, have and said, come on, mr khan, have a it off until the election, a put it off until the election, put show show us where your money is sort of thing. And he didnt he hasnt taken up that at all because he wants to go ahead and its nothing to do with air quality. As you said, its all about raising money. So they should get on and defer it because really what khan because its really what khan doesnt want. He doesnt want this be election issue. This to be an election issue. A representative well, youre a representative of conservative party, of the conservative party, albeit level, not albeit at local level, not national level. Me ask you , national level. Let me ask you, do you think that the secretary of state for transport and the government, have they got the bottle to do this . Well, nigel, i hope that somebody somewhere is putting the squeezes on those particular dangung the squeezes on those particular dangling fruit, if i can call it that, and encourage them to get up and stand up and use that power properly because actually i think weve got the case to do it. I think its quite easy. As you say, there could be a judicial review, but that puts it all back, kicks it way down past the election. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what about i mean, this is this is the first time im aware of a public hearing, you know, on television , in on national television, in national 143 of the National Media of 143 of the powers that it gives the secretary of state and as i say , you know, in terms of being detrimental to those outside the gla, its absolute clear that is absolutely clear that that one is beyond reasonable doubt. No, no, no. I agree with you. No, no, no. I agree with you. It he is and the first one, i think with with where the governments strategy is now also. So this would be in consistent and hey even keir starmer feels that way. I starmer feels that way. I havent heard and were literally two weeks away. We are two weeks away. That clock is ticking. That clock is ticking. I havent heard and conservative members of parliament speaking out on this. Why not . I suspect and in fairness to the ones that i know, they are pressing buttons behind the scenes vigorously. You know, if its if its a game of space invaders, theyre going like this trying to trying to get the get the hit because really we you know, Everybody Knows how damaging this is. And actually for the conservative party, what we shouldnt do is play politics with this issue, because ultimately those people are suffering and actually to stand up for those poor elderly and frail people is the right thing to do. And actually that will give us so much credibility. And give us so much credibility. And ihope give us so much credibility. And i hope that we continue in that vein. Well, i would say to you, councillor fawthrop , that you councillor fawthrop, that you should be encouraging your three members of parliament in bromley and this goes for other councillors and other mps all around the edge of london, including labour mps as well. Including labour mps as well. This is, this needs to be non party in some ways and the pressure has got to be put on private lobbying is fine. We need to come out publicly and try and push mark harper to do this. Now ive got a response from the government which says it is for the mayor of to london justify his decision to expand ulez at a time when the government is doing everything it can to support people with the cost of living, it is for the cost of living, it is for the mayor to explain why he thinks its fair to those thinks its fair to charge those with non compliant vehicles £12. 50 time they drive. £12. 50 every time they drive. Sadiq khans spokesman has previously dismissed the suggestion that ulez suggestion that the ulez expansion could blocked, expansion could be blocked, saying it is desperate nonsense. Im sorry, folks, but its all here. Its there in the legislation. Ian and khan can legislation. Ian and khan can say what he wants, but its pretty pathetic. Look, pretty pretty pathetic. Look, pretty pathetic of the government to respond to our request to them earlier from us here at gb news to say frankly, its all up to mr khan. We need a government with some bottle, a government with some bottle, a government with some bottle, a government with some balls , a government with some balls, a government that will stand up. Thank you, simon, for joining that will stand up. Thank you, simon, forjoining us. And on the 29th of on that day , if it the 29th of on that day, if it does come in, we will be doing a live gb news special, a farage at large right out on the edge of one of the london boroughs. It is so rural, its hard to believe it can even be thought of as london. So join us on that day. Unless of as london. So join us on that day. Unless of of as london. So join us on that day. Unless of course, the day. Unless of course, the government has acted and ulez doesnt come in, in which case we wont need to do it. Now, in a moment , my we wont need to do it. Now, in a moment, my friends at the fca , they want me to go and speak before a committee about the de banking scandal. I cant wait. See you in a minute this is newsradio. Weve talked a lot about the fca over the course of the last few days and you know, in particular its pursuit of the diversity and inclusion agenda, the climate agenda and its insistence that people who participate in Financial Services follow their interpretation of what society should be. Ive been very critical of the fca. Ive said theyre not fit for purpose. I suppose, to be fair, maybe its belated. They are now acting. An they are now acting. An announcement that came out overnight that said theyve got a right to all the politically exposed persons in this country to ask whether theyve had problems with banking, with credit facilities, whether their children or associates have been through the same. And thats a big step, i think, in the right direction plus theres going big step, i think, in the right dirbeion plus theres going big step, i think, in the right dirbe this plus theres going big step, i think, in the right dirbe this de bankings going big step, i think, in the right dirbe this de banking inquiry to be this de banking inquiry where they want me to go and give evidence. I cant but give evidence. I cant wait. But before we get to any of that, im joined by catherine mcbride, free economist and fellow free market economist and fellow at the centre for brexit policy. Catherine, welcome to the program. I mean, right at the program. I mean, right at the for me , as a guy that had worked for me, as a guy that had worked for me, as a guy that had worked for 20 years in commodity, his in the city of london one of the big things about brexit was getting rid of this crackpot rule book and the city of london and Financial Services around britain becoming more competitive. It almost seems competitive. It almost seems that the government and the fca have been have been asleep on this for the last seven years. So it is interesting because i was relook at the edinburgh reforms that hunt announced with great fanfare last november and an awful lot of the really important reforms which are meant to make the city more competitive internationally. Competitive internationally. They have all gone into consultancies. There have been theyve had a call for evidence , theyve had sort of papers written, etcetera. But there was written, etcetera. But there was one little bit at the end of the speech about introducing esg into the way we regulate businesses and that seems to have been done. And its kind of have been done. And its kind of incredible that all the important stuff were still doing consultations about that. Yeah so unless things change, therell be other people who are got rid of by their banks for not aligning with the banks values. Now whatever weve been values. Now whatever weve been really having a go at the fca on this program and its agenda, but they have acted politically, politically exposed persons now dont turn off because you think, look, this doesnt affect me. Im not a politically exposed person. It doesnt matter. It does matter because i think these rules on peps actually are stopping good people from going into public life in this country. Catherine its unbelievable. But i read a report the other day suggesting there are up to 90,000 people in britain who are classified as politically exposed persons. Who are they . Are they . Well, those would be all of the present politicians and councillors as hopefully councillors. Maybe not, and their families in any way that they could launder money. But weirdly, this regulation came from the eu and you probably be aware that several members of the Eu Parliament were caught with suitcases full of money and im not sure that that level of corruption happens in the uk , corruption happens in the uk, but especially now with cash being so difficult to get out of a bank, its probably just as hard to take a suitcase of money into a bank. I hope so. That it is weird how its such a big net, but also people who ceased to be politicians still get covered. Yeah, and as we saw lord lawson , chancellor of the 1980s, lawson, chancellor of the 1980s, his granddaughter recently struggling. Well, lets see what happens. Theyre going to get their consultation and their report back from these 90,000 people, and theyre Army Officers and people in the judiciary as well, and people in senior positions in business, too, classed as peps. But too, can be classed as peps. But is there the will in the government to act on any of this . Well, there should be because they are people who are they are the people who are politically its kind politically exposed. Its kind of incredible that it has taken till you exposed it for anyone to say anything and then you had politicians coming out in the house of lords and the house of commons saying, yes, its also happened to me because i fear for two reasons. Yes, they are stopping good people going into politics because this will be a problem. Um, but they are also not not giving funding to good investments. You know, weve investments. You know, weve weve got to get back to the main purpose of the fca is to make sure that the people in the city are not fraudulent , that if city are not fraudulent, that if you you can lose your money on a bad investment. But you shouldnt have it stolen from you. The other thing that you. The other thing that theyre meant to ensure is the integrity of the city that the businesses are solvent and everything happening as it everything is happening as it should be. Instead youve should be. And instead youve got a whole lot of Non Bank Entities have set up from crowd funding for new companies or even theres a very big internet site that sources big , even theres a very big internet site that sources big, big venture funding for airports and Oil Refineries and things all internationally. And you think, internationally. And you think, well, whos whos monitoring that . Who knows that if you go into that , youre actually i into that, youre actually i mean, lets face it, lets face it, you know, this used to be it is still britains biggest business. Its something we were immensely proud of and very good at. But it feels like its in decline at the moment. Well, its still worth. £216 well, its still worth. £216 billion to the economy. So it is a huge thing, but it could be better of that 70, 76 billion was in taxation. So we should it was in taxation. So we should it should be something we are really protecting. And last year really protecting. And last year in trade, we were we still export quite a lot to the eu. Export quite a lot to the eu. But two thirds of our exports in Financial Services are going outside the eu. And those markets are booming. And you know , this is a big export know, this is a big export earning industry for the uk and its incredible that we are not looking after it better and were allowing it to be swayed by, yeah, i cant bear it. Well, it is kind of crazy. I cant bearit it is kind of crazy. I cant bear it when they give london a bad rap for being lunderston or whatever they call it, but it , whatever they call it, but it, its, its like, well , you know, its, its like, well, you know, its, its like, well, you know, its become politically correct and crazy. Thank you, catherine. And on that point of being pc and de banking, im joined by dr. Conor ogorman, head of policy, and campaigns at the British Association for shooting and conservation. Connor, welcome to the program. So de man king ive had lots of emails coming in from people who run gun shops. From people who run gun shops. Et cetera. Tell us your experience at the basque. Experience at the basque. Well, thank you for having us on and id when news broke of what happened to you mr farage, i can assure you that resonated across hundreds of Rural Businesses across the uk because what happened to you is exactly whats happened to them whereby youve banking with the same bank for years. Your business relies on it. Its in the case of gun shops and businesses that supports shooting and fishing and out of the blue, a phone call or an email to say thats it. And the frustrating thing it. And the frustrating thing for people is no explanation other than something very woolly and rarely anything in writing. And rarely anything in writing. So youre left in limbo. So lets just repeat the point. Connor dup perfectly legal activities conducted by reputable people with decent credit records and no problems having their accounts closed because of this esg politically correct agenda. Its as simple as that, isnt it . It . It is. And whats frustrating is that theres no consistency to this decision making. So weve done the research on this. The British Association for shooting and conservation have done research on this, and its across all the banks. But its across all the banks. But its different from bank to bank. Its different from branch to branch. So you might have one branch. So you might have one branch with lots of shooting accounts. Absolutely fine. And 1 or 2 then suddenly get caught up with theres no we with this. So theres no so we need some accountability on this. Need to understand and this. We need to understand and whats going on because it seems to me having looked at this in detail, that theres a wide discretion for Bank Managers in the middle to make decisions with no accountability for that. You go to the top of the banks and we have there doesnt seem to be an issue, but its in the middle somewhere in terms of risk averseness and risk assessments with certain , as you assessments with certain, as you mentioned, politically exposed persons link or our case a persons link or in our case a firearms link. And they suddenly decide we dont want that anymore. So is it about money . Is it actually that we dont want to spend the time on the extra red tape to deal with your account anymore . And its the lack of empathy. So you can imagine businesses, you know, hard working people in Rural Community building up these businesses for years and years, and suddenly everything shut down. They cant find a new down. Then they cant find a new account thats thats devastating for it is small business. Well, connor, its another area of this Great National scandal of de banking. And im pleased youve come on and spoken up for the gun trade and for those acting, as i say, i repeat perfectly legally within the law in every way. But being discriminated against. Thank you for joining us on the program. For joining us on the program. Um, now well talk next about illegal activity. Well talk about tiktok being used to get together mobs , ltns of teenage together mobs, ltns of teenage youngsters who want to go on the rampage and pillage from shops in Oxford Street or elsewhere. In Oxford Street or elsewhere. What an earth can we do to stop this radio. Now donna jones. She is now the chair of the police and Crime Commissioners association. And she said after what happened in Oxford Street last week and fears of that sort of mob rampage spreading elsewhere , she rampage spreading elsewhere, she said that parents need to get a grip on tick tock yobs. Well families do have a responsibility. Thats the point responsibility. Thats the point donna jones was making. But really, what can we actually do . Its a tricky one. Its a new one. Its fuelled by social media. Weve seen it in america. Were now beginning to see it here. Im joined down the line by former met Police Detective peter bleksley. Peter, its always a funny one. This, isnt it, when you get young offenders, theres always the cw offenders, theres always the cry goes up wherever the parents in all of this. But isnt the truth of it that in our fractured society , and fractured society, and particularly in our inner cities , as in many cases the father is absent the mother is probably at full time work. Its absent the mother is probably at full time work. Its not just full time work. Its not just that easy to say. The parents must sort this is it. No. And it would probably be more appropriate for people to say in a kind of modern way , say in a kind of modern way, where are the parents, carers and guardians and the like . Um, and guardians and the like . Um, that still is relevant. I think parenting, whether it be single parenting, whether it be single parenting or with a traditional couple, um, does take a large amount of responsibility for churning out people who are decent human beings. Thats the whole point of parenting as far as im concerned. And clearly some of these youths that we saw in this outbreak of lawlessness in this outbreak of lawlessness in Oxford Street and around that area last week have clearly not been raised in the manner that my wife and i have raised our three kids. There are a number of facets to this. Of course, social media playing a very unwelcome part in mobilise raising these youths. But fair play raising these youths. But fair play to the met police they were across that traffic on social media platforms. So they they mobilised sufficient officers , mobilised sufficient officers, horses, dogs and the like and it wasnt as bad as it could have been. No, thats absolutely true. No, thats absolutely true. The police were on top of this, but were just trying to deal not with the symptom here, but with the actual cause. It seems with the actual cause. It seems to me, peter, the problem is this. Been showing videos this. Ive been showing videos of tick tock for the last 18 months on this show where they advertise cross channel, you know , summer sale. You can cross know, summer sale. You can cross the channel on our boat for three grand or three and a half grand or whatever it is. And tick tock insists it that when theyre notified about these particular videos, they take them down. But new ones just sprung up. Dont we have the sprung up. Dont we have the same problem with this encouraging of lawlessness . Yes. Encouraging of lawlessness . Yes. Yeah, i think the social media platforms should have algorithms that are actively searching constantly 24 hours a day for trigger words, trigger expressions. And theyve got that technology. If they claim they havent, then i just think they wont be being truthful. They should have those algorithm comes as a very sophisticated layer of security because it should not be used as a platform for criminality like the dark web is for so much criminality. Yeah, but the shop that they were going to target in Oxford Street, jd or jd sports, as its sometimes called , i was talking sometimes called, i was talking to a young man yesterday who does a lot of work, charitable work in trying to dissuade young people from joining criminal gangs. He does brilliant work. Hes been given an obe for his efforts. His names Chris Preddie and he said to me, peter, he said, if you walk in to jd sports, when you look at the mannequins as you walk through the door, they are dressed in what he describes as a road man starter kit. In other words , the kind of clothing, the words, the kind of clothing, the style of the bag that street robbers, thieves, drug dealers would wear. So if thats the clothing theyre pushing , thats clothing theyre pushing, thats the brand theyre promoting. Is the brand theyre promoting. Is it any wonder that the lawless youth will go and try and steal . I think thats a bit harsh on jd sports to be honest, peter. I mean, you know , i can look i mean, you know, i can look at a jewellers window, couldnt l, at a jewellers window, couldnt i, and see something desirable. I, and see something desirable. I what i want go and i think what i want to go and have that i dont think can have that i dont think we can blame them. Final thought on blame them. I final thought on this. Know punishment this. You know punishment fitting crime and all of fitting the crime and all of that and whether punishment its would be a deterrent for these people. I mean, what would happen to a youth that was part of a mob that shoplifted . You of a mob that shoplifted . You know, what sort of sentence would they get . Well that would depend largely on their criminal history. But whilst i praised the police earlier , you know, they police earlier, you know, they are to a certain extent to blame for where weve got because the police have turned their back on so much criminality that affects the moderate mainstay of the nafion the moderate mainstay of the nation day in, day out, theft of phones , theft of bicycles, phones, theft of bicycles, shoplifting , domestic burglary, shoplifting, domestic burglary, theft of cars, all youve had for years is a crime Reference Number from the police and no investigation on when you kind of permit this criminality and you dont act quickly and swiftly. And there are not swiftly. And there are not deterrents, it is, in my view, no surprise that the criminality grows. They become emboldened grows. They become emboldened and things, quite frankly, get worse. We need positive action, positive deterrence. Lets deter people away from crime and not encourage them to commit it. Peter depressing words, but i agree with you 100. Weve allowed crime to escalate without enough punishment. Thank you for joining without enough punishment. Thank you forjoining us. I suspect this tiktok phenomenon will not go away in a hurry. Lets have a good news story. I told you yesterday about the fact that today would be the first time that bluefin tuna could be caughtin that bluefin tuna could be caught in british waters and sold at market and then on to restaurants, etcetera. Well well, the first one has been caught on a rod and line and there it is. It was caught by there it is. It was caught by a friend of mine and well done and caught on a rod and line approximately £500 and going straight into plymouth market there were also people out on angung there were also people out on angling boats fishing catch and release , tag and release and release, tag and release and they caught fish too. So there we are. We now have a world class bluefin tuna fishery right on our doorstep. I think for the west country, its potentially really , really good news. Now really, really good news. Now a story that emerged yesterday that i thought was perhaps pretty disturbing was that the president of germany, sergei , president of germany, sergei, suggesting that maybe the afd Political Party at some point would have to be banned. I wasnt quite sure whether what i wasnt quite sure whether what i was reading was true. And im joined by peter boehringer, a member of the deutsche bundestag and a vice chairman of the afd party. Now, peter, of course, you are loathed by the political establishment in germany. There establishment in germany. There are 1 or 2 of your members who have made comments that might be unwise, but what have you done to deserve the threat of being banned . Banned . Well , first of all, thank well, first of all, thank you, nigel, for having us having me tonight. We have met 1 or me tonight. We have met 1 or 2 times in berlin and in brussels , but you wouldnt remember. So well, what have we done . Well, well, what have we done . Well, well, what have we done . Well, we have been following a very legal and Democratic Program for ten years now , and nothing wrong ten years now, and nothing wrong with that. If it were wrong or even extreme , then parties like even extreme, then parties like the christian democrats or the liberal democrats some 30 years ago would have been extremely themselves because its not so much different. What we would like to do and where we would like to do and where we would like to do and where we would like to go back. Well, and the ban , of course, just imagine in ban, of course, just imagine in germany banning political parties. Just imagine where were coming from. Bismarck did that 130 years ago with a social democrats at the time. And of course, the likes of hitler and honecker in the german democratic republic. They banned almost all parties with the possible exception of the puppies that were parties almost, or communist party at the time, as you say, its got a very bad history in your country of people banning political parties. Could it be . Peter, i would suggest to you that its because the afd have gone from from the low teens now to the low 20s in percentage terms nationally and that the old east germany, youre on about 30 or higher. Is it your just doing too well and theyre terrified of you . Well obviously besides the other things i could mention, like we are eurosceptic, we are against the eu, we are against prolonging the war in ukraine forever. We are. We were against the most corona measures at the time. We are against the co2, religion and obviously we are against Mass Immigration into europe, which is ive seen your broadcast from yesterday, probably a hundred times worse than the uk , so congratulations than the uk, so congratulations for your brexit and your personal work there. But yes , personal work there. But yes, besides all that , obviously it besides all that, obviously it is our success. It is the power card has to be played now against us because all the arguments wouldnt hold people dont believe the arguments of the others any longer and yes, we have come in just 12 months from ten to now, close to 22 or 23 in the poll results today, a poll came out that gave us some 33 potential, which is more or less the threshold which weve already achieved in the elections in eastern germany. As you mentioned. So, yes, they the others had to speed things up because they had no other argument against us. Well, peter, youve had Great Success in the polls. Youre success in the polls. Youre making huge progress. I can see that the german Public Opinion is shifting. It is changing. It took a bit of time, but i always thought it would in the end. And thought it would in the end. And banning would be the banning you would be the stupidest thing could ever stupidest thing they could ever , ever do. I dont believe they will. Thank you forjoining me. Will. Thank you for joining me. Its an issue that we will come back to. Thank you. In a moment , well talk about the National Trust. Can it be changed . Can it be reformed . Can the members grab control of it . Also, trump and the fourth well, theres no doubt the National Trust has been an extraordinary organisation. I particularly support operation neptune, where they brought up some of the wilder parts of our coast and protected them. Well, they owned beautiful historic country houses is a remarkable organisation , but i first got organisation, but i first got worried about them when they started banning hunting and shooting on trust land way before government brought in before the government brought in the especially on hunting. The law, especially on hunting. Theyre attacking trout theyre now attacking trout fishing and dry fly fishing on the river test, which i find almost hard to believe. And theyve made staff wear rainbow lanyards and gone completely woke. And many people have woke. And many people have pretty much given up with the National Trust. Well, there is a fight back. There is a restore trust has been set up and here to speak for them is cornelia van der pol. So its all gone to woke to pc lost sight of its original purpose. Well certainly what restore trust wants to do is bring the National Trust back to its founding mission, which is to look after houses, gardens, collections and countryside for the whole nation i now, ive been a member of the National Trust for 26 years, and so the National Trust has been a really big part of my life and i feel passionately about it and i love the things they look after. I adore houses. I adore walking in the countryside , but we feel that countryside, but we feel that the focus has strayed and yes, it needs to come back to its primary purpose. Its become quite political, hasnt it . Really that is worrying. Just recent that is worrying. Just recent , there was this open letter to the Prime Minister from organisations including the National Trust and what that letter effect said was we will mobilise our members to vote against you if you dont agree with us on policy , which is with us on policy, which is pretty alarming and it shouldnt be happening. It shouldnt. No, no, no. This is in some ways very similar to what ive been talking about with the banks. You know, people are losing sense sight of their original purpose. Cornelia, original purpose. So cornelia, how people fight back . What how do people fight back . What is restore trust going to do . Well , restore trust is is restore trust going to do . Well, restore trust is made up of people like me, people who really care about the National Trust. And we have about 25,000 people on our mailing list now, and we raise awareness of the issues. Issues. There are elections coming up in september. Thats right. Yes. The agm happensin thats right. Yes. The agm happens in november. Theres a Voting Period before then. What we want people to do, if theyve left the National Trust because they worried they should join again, i wonder whether again, in fact, i wonder whether ive left. Ive left. No, im out. Im out. Im out. Ive had enough of it. And. But are there people i can vote for to get onto the board that will change this . Well, so i hope you well, well, so i hope you might still consider joining well, well, so i hope you might still considerjoining the might still consider joining the National Trust. Well, only if i see the candid votes that i can vote for. And it doesnt quite work like that. You have one week to join and the candidates are revealed in september. And what were going to do is were going to recommend candidates who will bnng bring the greatest diversity of thought the council, thought to the council, diversity of thought , as well as diversity of thought, as well as the expertise that the National Trust needs. People who really know about history, countryside and houses. And country houses. But you cant turn this around in five minutes, can you . No no, no. It will take time. But were very encouraged the support very encouraged by the support weve and the weve gathered so far and the progress made. Progress weve made. I want to wish good. Well, i want to wish you luck and hope that it goes well. And the National Trust has previously charity previously said the charity epitomises what a of people epitomises what a lot of people consider to be the halcyon days of britain and anything that vaguely poked at was bound vaguely poked at that was bound to them , Hilary Mcgrady to upset them, Hilary Mcgrady said. Its such a ridiculous term. Wokery no one has yet defined what they mean by woke. Im interested in bringing nature, beauty and history to the and i dont even the nation, and i dont even know woke means that know what woke means in that context. Well, tell you context. Well, ill tell you what means. Context. Well, ill tell you what means. It means forcing what it means. It means forcing people for example, people to wear for example, lanyards with rainbow flags on them. I hope restore trust knocks a bit of common sense back into the what was the Great National trust. Now trump has got more legal problems , more got more legal problems, more indictments. This time its georgia. But it isnt just trump. Its all of the people around him. What is going on . Im joined now by alan dershowitz, former Legal Counsel for al gore, who challenged and lost the president ial Election Results in 2000, and author of the book get trump the threat to Civil Liberties due process and are constantly optional rule of law. And alan, the title of your latest book, i think, says it all in many ways. But remind people what al gore did back in 2000. Well he did pretty much the same as whats being done now. How. Now. He challenged florida count. He said , cant we find 570 or so he said, cant we find 570 or so votes . I was the lawyer for the votes . I was the lawyer for the voters of palm beach county, which which were deceived by what was called a butterfly ballot. And many of them voted for a candidate other than the one they intended to vote for. We had the hanging chads. I we had the hanging chads. I probably have the distinction of having worked for the election of both al gore. I worked on the impeachment of bill clinton , ted impeachment of bill clinton, ted kennedy , and then also finally , kennedy, and then also finally, i defended donald trump in his impeachment. Isnt i dont pick impeachment. Isnt i dont pick my clients based on my political views myself. I voted against views myself. I voted against trump and plan to do it again, although nobody can ever be sure. But i cared deeply about the constitution and about not weaponizing the criminal Justice System against the political candidate. We dont want to become a banana republic. Were on the road to that now. Unfortunately now. Well, alan, with your long history and all of this, its why were honoured. We really are, to have you on this program again, when it comes to trump, know, the fourth trump, you know, the fourth indictment are people taking this seriously or are people are people in the middle . Are, you people in the middle . Are, you know, those without a particular political bias either side . Are they looking at this and saying that this is unfair, that this is wrong . Because it seems that is wrong . Because it seems that within the republican base, its making trump stronger. I think its making trump stronger among his obvious supporters. They think its unfair to the people on the left. Are applauding it. The very same civil libertarians who would have opposed us using the rico statute, the racketeering statute in a political context are applauding it. Statute in a political context are applauding it. And there are are applauding it. And there are people in the middle who are saying, gee, we dont like trump, particularly , but we sure trump, particularly, but we sure dont like distorting the constitution to get trump. My constitution to get trump. My book get trump became a big bestseller among young moderates and centrists , even though none and centrists, even though none of the bookstores , the local of the bookstores, the local bookstores or book fairs would carry the book because they saw it as a pro trump book. But but i think a lot of moderates are getting fed up that we dont know what effect it would have on the general election. We know its helping trump in the primary races and hes going to surely get the nomination , surely get the nomination, although hes going to have to spend several months spend the next several months simply sitting in court listening to a case not only against him, but against 19 other you know how long other people. You know how long that trial is going to be. You know, the Prosecutor Says shell bnng know, the Prosecutor Says shell bring the trial case to trial in six thats nonsense. He six months. Thats nonsense. He cant to do that cant theres no way to do that with 19 or 20 defendants. And there be more defendant there may be more defendant s added, there are always supplementary indictments. So were in for a long season of law, and in this case, well be on television. So the american pubuc on television. So the American Public and the British Public will be able to watch it with their own eyes now. And as you say, you know, they bought Rudy Giuliani into this. Meadows into this. And mark meadows into this. And mark meadows into this. I mean, the that this. And i mean, the idea that a huge number of people conspired to overturn the election result , conspired to overturn the election result, i mean, frankly, it looks like Utter Nonsense to me. Nonsense to me. Ill never forget i represented some of the people in what was called the dr. Spock conspiracy indictment back in the 1960s, early 70s, opposing the 1960s, early 70s, opposing the vietnam war. And we brought all the defendants into a room at Harvard Law School because i was one of the lawyers in the case. And these conspirators met each other for the first time and they said, oh, youre so and so. Ive heard about you. You know, they were supposed to have conspired. They had never met. Well, we that case, but well, won we that case, but well how goes. And well see how this one goes. And overall , final thought, please, overall, final thought, please, alan, if i can, on the american judiciary clearly has become highly politicised in a way that it never was before. How can it be reformed and how can it be changed . How can it be trusted . Again we have to adopt Something Like the british system where theres a minister of justice whos overtly political, a member of the cabinet and then a director of pubuc cabinet and then a director of Public Prosecution who decides who to prosecute unrelated to anything the cabinet or the government wants in the united anything the cabinet or the states, we merge these two incompatible roles in one person, the attorney general is supposed to be loyal to the president. Hes a member of the cabinet, and yet hes supposed to be objective in deciding whether to prosecute hunter biden, whether to prosecute joe biden, whether to prosecute joe biden, whether to prosecute joe biden, whether to prosecute trump. These to prosecute donald trump. These are incompatible roles and this is one area where we fought a revolution against you guys. But we didnt take the best of your legal system. And i think someday i hope we can borrow that. On that note , alan, thank you on that note, alan, thank you very much indeed. That was alan dershowitz. Utterly brilliant, dershowitz. Utterly brilliant, is all i can say to that. Utterly brilliant. Well, im utterly brilliant. Well, im joined by the equally brilliant , though somewhat younger patrick , who is, of Patrick Christys, who is, of course, standing for in Jacob Rees Mogg. Whats the big shout tonight, patrick . Yeah, look, why brexit . Britain dealing with britain is dealing with the consequences of the migrant consequences of the eus migrant madness. I suspect were madness. And i suspect were going paying world for going to be paying the world for this to come. Ive got this in years to come. Ive got Ann Widdecombe net zero Ann Widdecombe on that net zero referendum. It happen, referendum. Should it happen, quentin top gear, quentin wilson, former top gear, fifth gear, sorts stuff. Fifth gear, all sorts of stuff. Hes on colonialism in ireland. Hes very interesting. Hes now a greenie, isnt he . He now a big greenie, isnt he . He is, yeah. Hes also in the green room. Is yes. Well ill is he . Helps. Yes. Well ill have round with him on the way out. Yeah. Yeah. Good warming up for me. Warm him up for me. The net zero referendum. Should we have one of those as yeah of those as well . Yeah colonialism the nhs. Were colonialism in the nhs. Were going talking about. Why going to be talking about. Why on not just on earth are they not just saving lives . And one final one as years on the as well. Two years on from the taliban back into kabul, taliban surging back into kabul, was all worth it . I talked was it all worth it . I talked with someone was when with someone who was there when the recaptured 20 years, the taliban recaptured 20 years, 20 of nothing, really, 20 years of nothing, really, of afghanistan. Sad, patrick. Very, very sad, patrick. Great well, you get great stuff. Well, you get patrick throttle. Patrick, patrick full throttle. Patrick, you in a moment. But you will get in a moment. But first, lets have a look at the all important southern weather. All important southern weather. The temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello. Most areas enjoyed a dry day on tuesday and its more of the same as we head into wednesday. Dry and fine for many. Yes, there will be some isolated showers around, but most places will be and in most places will be dry. And in that feeling quite that sunshine and feeling quite warm, we look at the pressure pattern. See its pattern. Then you can see its all thanks to an area of High Pressure that continues build all thanks to an area of high pr through start the night. Through the start of the night. But skies, we but under those clear skies, we could 1 or 2 mist and fog could see 1 or 2 mist and fog patches and also turn quite chilly well rural chilly as well in some rural spots, temperatures falling into single more prone single figures in more prone spots. Towns and cities, single figures in more prone temperatures holding up 10 to 13 c. Clear 13 c. So under those clear skies, off a fine skies, we get off to a fine start for much of the country, some sunshine. Any some early sunshine. Any mist and patches lifting and fog patches are lifting quite again, we hang on and fog patches are lifting quae again, we hang on and fog patches are lifting qua bit again, we hang on and fog patches are lifting qua bit more again, we hang on and fog patches are lifting qua bit more cloud. We hang on and fog patches are lifting qua bit more cloud across|ng on and fog patches are lifting qua bit more cloud across parts| to a bit more cloud across parts of with a few showers of scotland with a few showers here continuing throughout the day. See day. Elsewhere, we could see 1 or isolated showers, but or 2 isolated showers, but again, youll fairly unlucky again, youll be fairly unlucky to most places will to catch one. Most places will be with sunny spells as we be dry with sunny spells as we head afternoon in that head into the afternoon in that sunshine warm. Sunshine feeling warm. Temperatures ranging from 14 across north. But widely across the far north. But widely into the low to mid 20s, 26 degrees there towards the south east, warm in south east, feeling warm in those the those light winds. More of the same head into thursday. Same as we head into thursday. Most places will be a bit most places will be dry, a bit more towards the east more cloud towards the east coast burning back coast at first that burning back to elsewhere, to the coast, elsewhere, increasing amounts sunshine, increasing amounts of sunshine, feeling warm as well, feeling very warm as well, particularly west. Feeling very warm as well, partiisolated west. Feeling very warm as well, partiisolated showers west. Just isolated showers once again, warmer still again, it turns warmer still as we head into friday. Temperatures could reach the high with increasing high 20s with that increasing chance showers and thunderstorms. Temperatures rising, boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar of weather solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Patrick Christys identifying as the formidable Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation tonight, brussels has rejected britains attempt to secure a returns deal to send the not so small boats back to france. I will be telling you why you, me and everyone we know Going Forward will spend hundreds of billions of pounds sorting out the European Unions migrant mess. And you know what . It still wont work. Also so how much are you willing to pay for net zero after climate scientists warn that households could pay at least double the £4,000 price tag mentioned in the government review to hit that 2050 target, red wall mps are now urging the Prime Minister to scrap the target entirely. Are we in referendum territory people