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Another u turn there. Another u turn there. Another u turn there. Bev and would you welcome another brexit referendum within the next decade. 7 well, according to a new poll, almost half of voters would like to see a return to the 2016 vote. I for one, would not. What do you think. Think. Let us know your your thoughts on all of our talking points this morning thing that brexit referendum is a brilliant one. Its interesting isnt it. Well weve got mock france walls in here, so lets put it to him. Staunch brexiteer and we have we have him head to head with corbyn adviser. With the former corbyn adviser. Hes get spicy. Hes going to get spicy. Thats right. First of all, though, here is paul hawkins with your latest. News with your very latest. News thanks , bev. Thanks, bev. Good morning. It is 931. Im paul hawkins in the gb news room. Our top story this morning. Then the number of uk Job Vacancies has fallen by 66,000. 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What day is it. 7 joining us. What day is it. 7 there you go. There you go. Tuesday. We did say we tuesday. We did say we struggle at the beginning. What a day weekend all merged into one. Lets get on with the series part of the show because the eu has rejected britains attempt to create a new migrant returns agreement. Agreement. Thats right. It was a deal that Prime Minister rishi sunak hoped would help to tackle the small crisis returning small boats crisis by returning migrants countries migrants to European Countries in claimed in which they previously claimed asylum. Asylum. Has also said it will labour has also said it will seek negotiate a new returns seek to negotiate a new returns agreement it wins agreement with the eu if it wins the election. The next election. Conservative mp mark so conservative mp Mark Francois joins us in the studio. Just explain the implications of this for us, mark. If you would. The eu blocking the returns agreement, what does it mean in actuality. 7 mean in actuality . Well, the pm promised to stop the boats. We clearly havent stopped them yet. As my colleague lee anderson recently said in his characteristic style, were now awaiting a judgement from the uk Supreme Court, but it could be that for various reasons , such as various reasons, such as judicial recesses and for technical legal reasons, we dont get that judgement much before christmas. So i think in this situation in the commons is due back in less than three weeks. I think the Prime Minister should make an early statement to parliament and he should lay out three things for the. The first is what we are going to do in the interim to stem the flow of boats until we get the Supreme Court judgement. And as part of that , he should. And as part of that, he should explain what were getting for the half £1 billion that weve paid the french government. Paid the french government. Because i think a lot of people , myself included, believe were not really getting value for money. The second thing i think the Prime Minister should do is he should explain if we win that Court Judgement , that how is he Court Judgement, that how is he to going ensure that if the uk Supreme Court rules in favour of the government, we will then not allow the European Court of human rights in strasbourg to interfere or try and overrule that . And thirdly , i think he that . And thirdly, i think he should set out at least the opfions should set out at least the options if we were to lose that case. What will the government do then, including is it prepared to legislate and if so, how . So i think when parliament returns , we all need greater returns, we all need greater clarity now on how the boats are going to be stopped. Isnt it true to say, though, mark, that while as well intentioned as it seems to , lets do a deal with the eu, it was never going to happen post brexit. In fact, i spoke to Kevin Saunders from border force the other day. He said a deal with the eu was about as likely as platting fog, a very colourful that colourful metaphor and that counts you and keir counts for both you and keir starmer. Friends starmer. Theyre no friends of ours that would entail ours and that deal would entail us to take fair share us having to take our fair share of illegals whove arrived in the european bloc. And thats whats forcing referendum in whats forcing a referendum in poland, have in this enforce poland, who have in this enforce upon them. The people dont want that. To return migrants back that. So to return migrants back to the eu would mean having to take many more in return. So it was and was always a dead alley. And i wonder for how long can we keep on blaming eu or the french on blaming the eu or the french or the echr the lefty lawyers or the echr or the lefty lawyers or the echr or the lefty lawyers or keir starmer the remain or keir starmer or the remain establishment . The buck stops with the conservative government, and government, doesnt it . And as lee you to lee anderson said, you failed to control borders. Control our borders. Well, i said, right at the well, as i said, right at the top, the Prime Minister promised top, the Prime Minister promised to the boats. So i think to stop the boats. So i think when parliament returns , given when parliament returns, given these developments , he needs to these developments, he needs to explain to parliament now how were to going do that. Parliament is meant to be the fulcrum of the nation. The pm should come to Parliament Less than three weeks now and explain plain how exactly we are going to do it. But i would just say this i think its worth pointing out, you know, you mentioned keir starmer, labour have no plan at all. Labours only plan is and this is an important point is to speed up the processing of asylum claims and lets be honest, that would be a major pull factor if you do that , even more people will try and come. So i think its important to make that clear. Stephen kinnock shadow immigration minister, actually went one stage further. I put this to the shadow immigration sorry, the shadow education secretary on sunday. Immigration sorry, the shadow educati well, we touched on this last week, but but but fundamentally , if were going to stop the boats , we have to remove the boats, we have to remove the influence of the European Court of human rights over this piocess. Process. Would that be a referendum to the people, put it to the people like brexit . Well, i dont think you necessary. We need to do that. Necessary. We need to do that. What we could have done is if there is a precedent for this in terms of what we did under prisoner voting, under david cameron, what we should have done was we should have just said to the echr the court in strasbourg this is none of your business. Yes, right. But we business. Yes, right. But we didnt do that at the time and weve now ended up in this kind of uk judicial loop. But but we of uk judicial loop. But but we could yet do that subsequently. And i believe that we should. But why didnt we do that at the time . Well, i believe that was a mistake. I believe there are a number of us in part who wanted to that , but the government to do that, but the government and a different and the cabinet took a different view. Think the pressure is view. I think the pressure is building such now that if we win that uk Supreme Court case and we all hope that we will all im sure someone will attempt straight away to appeal to strasbourg and we have to make very plain that we wont let strasbourg then interfere. Strasbourg then interfere. So youre basically hoping that if the british judiciary finds of the finds in favour of the conservative government and then the left, the liberals, whatever , take it to strasbourg , that , take it to strasbourg, that will prove in your mind that would be an interfere with by the eu, by the European Council and therefore, well, we already have control. Well, its not just a matter of opinion. Empirically, we of my opinion. Empirically, we have been, quote, interfered with, as you it, because the with, as you put it, because the first flight was due take off first flight was due to take off to rwanda and one strasbourg judge issued whats called a rule 39 order, very much at the 11th hour to stop the plane from taking off. Now, i believe we could have ignored that order, but we didnt so palpably theyve interfered already. Thats what led us into this mess. What do you make of the latest on the bibby stockholm, mark . Lets ask you why youre here. We have this outbreak of legionnaires disease, the legionnaires disease, the legionnaires bacteria on the boat. Legionnaires bacteria on the boat. Again, its one of those boat. Again, its one of those things that you just think did nobody think about this . This could been a risk, perhaps could have been a risk, perhaps with these with the Water Services on these sorts vessels. Is it still sorts of vessels. Is it still makes a mockery of the idea that thatis makes a mockery of the idea that that is any sort of solution given we had record in flocks of people that weekend. Its not deterrent. Well, as i said last week, even, you know, if the bibby stockholm were full, its only one days worth. Thats right. So i do feel for my friend and colleague, richard drax, whos the constituency mp whos had to deal with this and has been working incredibly hard. Look, lets last week was lets be honest. Last week was not home office hour not the home office finest hour , i do hope that , was it . No, and i do hope that lessons will be learned from that , because i lessons will be learned from that, because i think there have to but what we need is to be. But what we need is a long Term Solution to this problem. And that means coming up with a very clear policy that keeps the echr out of. What do you make of this leaked memo yesterday , leaked memo yesterday, apparently saying that the government know this is going to take least five years to deal take at least five years to deal with problem. Did you with this problem. What did you make that . Where does come make of that . Where does it come from does it tell us . From and what does it tell us . Well, this wouldnt be the first that a had been first time that a memo had been leaked to the disadvantage of the government, perhaps by some people that dont have its best interests at heart. Dont think the i certainly dont think the british people are prepared to wait years of wait for five more years of this. Do you know, so come to this. Do you know, so to come to come back to where started, come back to where i started, the Prime Minister promised he would stop the he needs would stop the boats. He needs to parliament now and to come to parliament now and explain hes going to do it explain how hes going to do it quickly on the bases that are being used weathersfield, being used as weathersfield, theres scrambles. Linton news theres also linton on news that knocked back. I went to that was knocked back. I went to linton ouse. I spoke to lot linton on ouse. I spoke to a lot of around there. They of locals around there. They were at the prospect were horrified at the prospect of 500 military aged men being dumped in tiny isnt dumped in a tiny village. Isnt the its not the point here, mark . Its not about the detail of the length of contracts. The British Public simply these raf simply dont want these raf bases anywhere near the community. Its not about how long for, its long theyre there for, its about they shouldnt be there at all. Well, yeah, well, im kind of in we would call we would in what we would call we would call what the americans would say is violent agreement at the end its not end of the day, its not a question about where you put them. Question do them. The question is, how do you stop coming . If you can you stop them coming . If you can stop them coming to you, then dont into all these dont get into all of these debates. That is the debates. So that is the fundamental that we need fundamental point that we need to. To address. We go anywhere, mark, we dont go anywhere, mark, because bring you because we want to bring you into this next interview as well. Were going be talking well. Were going to be talking about the fact well, were going to talking somebody who to be to talking somebody who thinks that hes a brexiteer , thinks that hes a brexiteer, isnt he . But hes a left wing brexiteer. Lets find out. I think is rather unusual. So theres this poll out today. So 46 of voters in a Yougov Survey claim they want a second referendum on brexit within the next decade. Thats right. Although labour has said it would renegotiate parts of the divorce deal to deliver a closer trading relationship with the eu, like to see eu, would you like to see a second brexit vote . Well were joined now by former labour adviser Jeremy Corbyn, james adviser to Jeremy Corbyn, james schneier morning, james. Schneier. Good morning, james. Thank you very much for joining us. So what do you make of this yougov poll with a significant number of people saying that they like a second they would like a second referendum . Not right now , now, referendum . Not right now, now, but sometime in the future . But sometime in the future . Well, just to clear up one thing, im not a left wing brexiteer. I campaigned for remain , but when the majority of remain, but when the majority of people voted to leave, i thought that we should leave because that we should leave because that the democratic thing to that was the democratic thing to do. Um so corrected. But do. Okay. Um so corrected. But actually, i dont want to have a second referendum either. I think that a lot of the Brexit Debate was not terribly helpful and brexit isnt just one thing britain needs to find a new Economic Strategy. And we could Economic Strategy. And we could have found one through a particular type of brexit, but a more kind of left wing socialist type of brexit. But thats not what were getting and were also not getting probably what the you all want, you know , a the you all want, you know, a kind of, you know, more right wing, more libertarian type of brexit. And instead were just getting a version of what we had before , but a less good version before, but a less good version of that. So i can see why of that. So i can see why theres a lot of so called. Theres a lot of so called. James, i think you just described yourself as a i think you did just describe yourself as somebody that would like to see socialist of brexit. See a socialist type of brexit. But what would that look like . Just explain that to me. Just explain that to me. We would use the powers that we took back from the eu to expand Public Services and to invest in industries and technologies that we need to take more of the supply chain back into the uk to use public procurement to advance social economic and ecological ends. So it would be about that sort of, you know, be about that sort of thing. Okay. James but anyway, thats very much not whats happening. And james, that is why i absolutely believe that Jeremy Corbyn was brexiteer Jeremy Corbyn was a brexiteer because he wanted to nationalise everything do everything and he couldnt do that european union. That under the european union. Mark francois, turning to you , Mark Francois, turning to you, do you think the remain establishment will ever accept the referendum will the brexit referendum or will this rattle on for this best of three rattle on for decades and decades to come . I think there will be. There will be a lot people in what will be a lot of people in what you call remain you call the remain establishment. Might establishment. Others might call the never come to the blob who will never come to terms it. But this i know terms with it. But this i know i sat in parliament for three years night after night, week after week, month after month. Watching keir starmer collude with pro eu opinions across the house to do everything he could to keep us in the eu and also he was calling night after night for a second referendum. Thats where his heart lies. That said, i believe they wouldnt want to risk it because if you remember in the referendum , we did have in the referendum, we did have right until the last minute the polls said remain was going to win. Pretty much so they wouldnt want to grant a poll. Wouldnt want to grant a poll. Theyd do it all by grandmothers footsteps. So grandmothers footsteps. So itll be or perhaps we should be a bit more closely aligned to the Single Market or maybe we should rejoin the customs union. Oh, look, were almost back in, so might well go whole so we might as well go the whole hog. Would the british hog. They would deny the british people choice. Why . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his; choice. Why . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his heart hoice. Why . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his heart office. Why . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his heart of hearts, 1y . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his heart of hearts, 1 . Because hog. They would deny the british pe his heart of hearts, i saw cause in his heart of hearts, i saw him after night. Keir him night after night. Keir starmer a remainer. Starmer remains a remainer. James is that the direction of travel, do you think . Baby steps death by a thousand paper cuts endless treaties, closer alignment and then star mccann pop the big question in a decades time, which is what this poll says. So which is what this poll says. So i think its very comforting for people, politicians who are in the leave camp to say that its all the fault of remain politician who then tried to stifle it because, of course, there were remain politicians who were trying to stifle it. Thats true. The reason thats true. But the reason it hasnt worked isnt because thats true. But the reason it theirt worked isnt because thats true. But the reason it their stifling. Isnt because thats true. But the reason it their stifling. Itst because thats true. But the reason it their stifling. Its becausee of their stifling. Its because none of the leave campaigners had any plan for what we would do after we left. There isnt a plan, and so we havent followed one. So what weve got is a whole load of ugly fudges and halfway houses. So in the condition where we arent going to have a different Economic Strategy that works, were better off having a slightly less bad version of the one that we had before, which is probably what well get with labour, with repairing some of the trading relationship with the eu. Relationship with the eu. Well, Mark Francois, you didnt have a plan. You just had a load of ugly fudge. Well take on that. A load of ugly fudge. Well take on what we had, i saw it night what we had, i saw it night after i even wrote a book after night. I even wrote a book about it. Spartan victory. Its Still Available on amazon, by the three years of the way. And three years of absolute warfare with absolute trench warfare with remainers in the house commons. What was plan . Okay, what was your plan . Okay, fine. Was there as well. I fine. I was there as well. I watched it. It was very frustrating and very boring. But it the case that people it remains the case that people the pain, the pain plan for what we would do, how we would come out and james, youve asked mark for his plan , allow him to spell for his plan, allow him to spell out, dont rewrite history. You know exactly what happened. Theresa may came up with a withdrawal agreement. It wasnt good one. The wasnt a very good one. In the end, couldnt get it through end, she couldnt get it through parliament. Her premiership ultimately fell boris ultimately fell on it. Boris johnson came in with a better version. It did get it through parliament. We legally left the european we had the european union. We had the fastest vaccine rollout in europe. An Indian Foreign europe. We had an Indian Foreign policy over ukraine. Weve just signed a trade , a Trans Pacific signed a trade, a Trans Pacific Partnership Deal around the globe, 11 trillion in dollars worth of market every year. So it did work in the end, james. And it worked despite keir starmer and the vast bulk of the labour Party Spending three years night after night trying to overturn the democratic decision of the british people. Obviously we left the eu and as i said at the top, i think thats a good thing because thats a good thing because thats what people know thanks to the Labour Party Needs to be put on the. My point is though, do reckon its working . Yes do you reckon its working . Yes i mean, ive just given you three examples of how working. So do believe that. So yes, i do believe that. So yes, i do believe that. I do believe that its the terrible corporate rights enhanced. Farmer hurting enhanced. Singh farmer hurting tpp deal that you had , which is tpp deal that you had, which is tiny in trade. Its 0. 0, blah, blah, blah, blah. Its going to increase and it enhances corporate rights. Sorry its a market of up to 11 trillion yeah thats not tiny, is it . Thats not tiny, is it . The possibility for corporations to sue governments when they change policy . So that when they change policy . So that could be policies that you like that are people democratically vote for that get passed in parliament that that companies can then sue us for pursuing thats not some fantastic win. I know where youre coming from james about an independent Foreign Policy Foreign Policy in ukraine would have been absolutely same regardless absolutely the same regardless of whether were in the eu or not. Wasnt a Foreign Policy. Im sorry. We all know what Jeremy Corbyns policy, same as the eu. James im sorry. James im sorry. James. James james replied. We all we all know what your previous boss, Jeremy Corbyns policy on ukraine and russia was. Russia could do no wrong. Thats why he was destroyed in the general election. Or at least its one of the reasons. I mean, either youre ignorant or you know, or youre deliberately misinforming the viewers of this channel. Jeremy corbyn has an extremely long standing, almost certainly much more long standing than you record of opposition to authoritarianism, to money laundering, and to violent practises underneath the when putin has been in charge of about salisbury fighting against hootens what he did over the salisbury poisoning. Salisbury poisoning. How do you explain that if hes such a fierce critic of russia . Sorry youre completely rewriting history here. Jeremy corbyn tried to explain away what russia had done. I was in the commons. I saw him do it. Okay, gentlemen , lets pull okay, gentlemen, lets pull this gentleman. He hasnt tried to explain it away. I think he hasnt tried to explain it away. I think it is quite important to understand whats going on. Can we pull this to understand going on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood and going on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, going on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, but going on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, but haveg on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, but have a on . Its going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, but have a look ts going on. Can we pull this to ulgood thing, but have a look at a good thing, but have a look at what corbyn has said about the russias invasion of ukraine. And he condemned instantly. And he condemned it instantly. Yes, talk. Yes, of course. All talk. We pull this okay. Can we please pull this back to brexit . Fascinating back to brexit . As fascinating as lets pull this back as this is, lets pull this back to brexit. Mark, to you first. We hear continually, oh, if people were given the chance to vote again, they would vote to remain. Whats your conviction on this . Because forget, on this . Because dont forget, the remain. The polls predicted remain. I did to be fair last time i did to be fair mentioned that point earlier , we mentioned that point earlier, we were told in the run up to the referendum by the bbc, the cbi, the tuc half hour newspapers , the tuc half hour newspapers, the tuc half hour newspapers, the establishment on speed that people would vote to remain. Do people would vote to remain. Do you know what happened at the end of all of that . Despite all of that fantastic advice, the british people had, the sheer temerity to govern their temerity to vote to govern their own country , and i cannot see own country, and i cannot see them in the foreseeable future deciding to go back to being governed by somebody else. The dispirit eating i guess the dispirit eating thing for a lot of those people who might have voted for brexit to protect our borders is that thatis to protect our borders is that that is the very thing that they see has not happened. Ed in see has not happened. Ed in fact, its got worse in terms of that. Let me just ask you, james, what what what would the labour party do about that issue . We talk about it all the time on on this channel. What would labour do differently with our immigration situation . Our immigration situation . Im really not a spokesperson for the current leadership of the labour party, so i couldnt tell you what they would do. My guess would be from my guess would be from your my guess would be from your my guess something guess would be from your my guess similar something guess would be from your my guess similar to something guess would be from your my guess similar to what something guess would be from your my guess similar to what the, mething guess would be from your my guess similar to what the, uh,thing quite similar to what the, uh, to what the current government is know, feeling is doing. But, you know, feeling a more squeamish about it. A bit more squeamish about it. Okay. Final question to okay. One final question to both you. Both of you. So hang on a minute. So you mean doing what . Doing what the conservatives doing conservatives are doing but feeling their heart feeling like maybe their heart isnt but they isnt entirely in it, but they need do it because its what need to do it because its what the British Public want. The British Public want. Not convinced well, im not convinced summarises that is the summarises because that is the direction of travel in the political discourse. Political discourse. Yes. And they will just follow it along. But look a little bit squeamish and upset at the same time. I mean, you see the statements that they come up with. They adopt the same framing as the government and and billionaire and the and the billionaire owned media. Um, and dont really forward other really put forward other solutions. Unfortunately, thats solutions. Unfortunately, thats the this debate is going. The way this debate is going. Okay. Final question to both of first of all, to you, of you. First of all, to you, mark. 30 of people in this mark. Only 30 of people in this poll believe brexit, it actually got done. Did we do brexit, mark, or did we do a watered down version of brownite . Down version of brownite . No, we legally left the european union. We have left the eu. But i do think its fair to say that the government needs to do more to explain the benefits of brexit. Ive had a go at laying some about this morning, but i do think the government needs to redouble its efforts in order to get that across to the british. A final word very quickly to james. If we could. Were very tight on time. Did we get brexit done . James i mean, weve left the eu, but brexit wasnt really about changing institutional changing our institutional arrangements with with the arrangements with the with the eu. Was a very good slogan as eu. It was a very good slogan as an campaign. But an extremely good campaign. But when actually into when it actually gets into coming with policy, its coming up with policy, its really quite difficult, which is why, mark valiantly why, despite mark valiantly putting forward three things that we have to leave it there. James schneider Mark Francois, spirit of debate, thank you very much. Right. Were going the right. Were going to the weather. You tomorrow. The weather. See you tomorrow. The temperatures by next. Temperatures rising by next. Solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello weather on. Gb news. Hello very good morning to you. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Its a less wet day, a less gloomy day compared with yesterday, but still heavy yesterday, but still some heavy showers there, albeit showers out there, albeit interspersed spells. Interspersed by bright spells. Some sunshine this morning across east anglia and the south east elsewhere, a lot of cloud cover. 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The showers in the north take bit longer to the north take a bit longer to die away, especially for parts of scotland where they will continue in the but with continue in the north, but with clear spells developing across england, wales , northern england, wales, Northern Ireland, therell be some fog patches dawn. Its also a patches by dawn. Its also a warm night with temperatures in the south staying in the mid teens and in the north. 12 or 13 celsius. We start off wednesday with the patchy fog, especially around southern counties of england, parts of wales and Northern Ireland. Soon enough it disappears and then spells disappears and then sunny spells for many and fewer showers compared with today. The will compared with today. The will still be some showers , but most still be some showers, but most of them will be the north. In of them will be in the north. In the many places will the south, many places will avoid showers stay dry avoid the showers and stay dry andifs avoid the showers and stay dry and its going to be warmer, 25 or 26 celsius even warmer on thursday and friday. The temperatures rising , boxt solar, temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Top of the morning. Its 10 top of the morning. Its 10 am. On tuesday, the 15th of august. This is britains newsroom with myself, Martin Daubney and the lovely bev turner. Thank you forjoining us this thank you for joining us this morning. There has been a huge increase in Illegal Immigrants working food delivery working in the food delivery sector. Weve had exclusive access officers launched access as officers launched major raids across the uk. Mark white will be to here tell us all about it. And donald trump has been charged by Georgia Court with charged by a Georgia Court with trying to illegally overturn the 2020 election. Its the fourth set of charges for the former president , but will this derail his re election hopes have no his re election hopes or have no effect whatsoever . And the rate effect whatsoever . And the rate of uk unemployment rose to a shocking 4. 2. Our business and economics editor Liam Halligan will be joining us in the studio very soon to tell us more. And finally, as we all know, the price of branded food and dnnks the price of branded food and drinks has more than doubled in the last 12 months. Its rocketed with certain products increasing by as much as a whopping 130. Well be asking the executive chair of iceland , the executive chair of iceland, Richard Walker, about how the retailer intends to support struggling families amid the worsening cost of living crisis and were going to have more debates this morning. Debates this morning. Our panellists will be in soon. Also so first of all, though, heres paul hawkins with the. News the. News good morning. It is 10 01. Im paul hawkins in the newsroom. Our top story then this morning, figures from the office for National Statistics show wages rising at a record level in the three months to june. Level in the three months to june. Inflation is currently june. Inflation is currently 7. 9, but with regular pay growing by 7. 8 for the last quarter. Growing by 7. 8 for the last quarter. Darren morgan, growing by 7. 8 for the last quarter. Darren morgan, the quarter. Darren morgan, the director of statistics at the ons, suggest peoples real pay is recovering and new figures on inflation will be released tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk unemployment has risen to 4. 2 in the three months to june. In the three months to june. Thats a rise of 0. 3 on the previous quarter. Its the highest rise since the three months to october 2021 and bnngs months to october 2021 and brings the measure above pre pandemic levels. However, the number of uk Job Vacancies has fallen by 66,000 between may and july by the home office has exclusively told gb news theres been a huge increase in undocu mented immigrants exploiting rules to work in the food delivery sector. Restaurants and delivery sector. Restaurants and Small Businesses offering Delivery Services are being urged to carry out more detailed checks on their drivers to crack down scams. Home office down on scams. Home Office Officials say working in the shadow economy is a major pull factor for those embarking on often dangerous illegal journeys to uk. Nhs hospitals in to the uk. Nhs hospitals in england will get a £250 million boost from the government to increase capacity as part of the Urgent Emergency Care recovery plan. The money will create 900 plan. The money will create 900 beds to relieve pressures and help cut waiting times. 30 nhs organisations will benefit from the investment. The majority of the investment. The majority of schemes will be completed by january to help deal with winter pressures. The Royal College of nursing, however, has questioned who will staff the new beds, given the recruitment problems in nursing. But Health Minister will quince says theyve taken that into account. Is a key component staffing is a key component of this plan. The additional staffing numbers will come from that £1 billion budget, so the additional revenue funding which will flow through nhs england through to those 32 trusts, we have of course over the past year seen an additional 6000 doctors and 15,000 nurses. But each of those trusts that have committed to build those 900 additional beds within their trusts have assured us and nhs england that they will be able to staff them with the funding suppued. Supplied. 34,000 online grooming crimes have been recorded during a six year period from 2018. When it comes as the Online Safety bill is expected to become law in the autumn, the nspcc has called on mps and tech giants to back the bill, which face repeated changes and delays to the proposed legislation. Citing proposed legislation. Citing data from 42 uk Police Forces, the charity says that 6350 offences related to sexual communication with a child were recorded last year. Speaking to recorded last year. Speaking to us earlier, former Police Officer and podcast host Oliver Lawrence says monitoring Online Activity is proving to be more complicated than imagined. People are obviously slightly concerned that this is encroaching on their ability to have a level of privacy, i have a level of privacy, but i think were talking about think when were talking about the people the concerns around people grooming children, think grooming children, i think theres the sand there theres a line in the sand there and make sure that and weve got to make sure that the around the priorities around safeguarding people safeguarding young people online, we that . Do online, how do we do that . We do that through legislation, making sure its keeping up with the that through legislation, making sure ithat eeping up with the that through legislation, making sure ithat are ng up with the that through legislation, making sure ithat are appearing the that through legislation, making sure ithat are appearing online. Tools that are appearing online. Weve education piece, weve got the education piece, making all comes making sure it all comes together create together to effectively create a safe as we possibly safe environment as we possibly can do. Its very difficult can do. Its a very difficult area to navigate. Democrats say the the liberal democrats say the prime should apologise Prime Minister should apologise to out on to students who miss out on their grades this week their expected grades this week. This comes as analysis from the London School of economics suggests they each lost 48. 5 days of learning during the pandemic. The lib dems said no student should be forced to miss out on a University Place because of the governments incompetence. The Northern Ireland secretary, chris heaton harris, says lessons must be learned from the devastation caused by the 1998 omagh bombing. 29 people were killed when republican terrorists attacked the County Tyrone village 25 years ago. No one has been convicted for the attack. Convicted for the attack. Alliance leader naomi long says the uk governments announcement of an independent statutory inquiry will bring some relief for grieving families. Irelands for grieving families. Irelands deputy Prime Minister says his country will cooperate fully with the uk inquiry. The raf has scrambled jets to intercept two russian bombers travelling north of the shetland islands. The bombers were monitored by raf typhoon is in International Airspace as they passed to the north of the uk Armed Forces Minister James Heappey said. Raf ministerJames Heappey said. Raf crews maintain a constant watch over uk airspace and are always ready to keep our country safe. Elsewhere this morning, former us President Donald Trump has been indicted for a fourth time. A grand jury in georgia issued an indictment accusing him of trying to overturn his 2020 election loss to joe biden on 13. Felony charges have been brought against mr trump, including falsely testify lying to lawmakers that Election Fraud had occurred and urging state officials to violate their oaths officials to violate their oaths of office by altering the election results. Hes the front runner as the republican nominee in the 2024 president ial election. Mr trump denies any wrongdoing. This is gb news wrongdoing. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to martin and. Bev thanks for the martin and. Bev thanks for the update, paul. Okay. Our next story now, the big one gb news has been given exclusive access as immigration officers launched a major clampdown on Food Delivery Companies whove been employing Illegal Immigrants. Thats right. We all use them. But the home office says that working in the shadow economy is major pull factor economy is a major pull factor for embarking on often for those embarking on often dangerous and illegal journeys to uk. To the uk. Our Home Security editor, mark white, was with enforcement officers as they carried out raids across the country in towns and cities across the uk. These Delivery Drivers are everywhere. We all use them, but increasingly the person who turns up at your door is breaking the law. We can reveal a massive surge in the number of Illegal Immigrants working in the delivery sector. Were with the delivery sector. Were with Immigration Enforcement officers in Brighton City centre , a joint in Brighton City centre, a joint operation with Sussex Police as they target the Delivery Drivers, they suspect of working illegally. Police have just illegally. Police have just stopped this rider on the seafront as they carry out checks. Seafront as they carry out checks. Immigration enforcement checks. Immigration Enforcement Teams hang back out of sight so as not to alert other drivers that theyre around this riders. Documents checked out and he was cleared to go just round the corner for other immigration officers who have stopped an indonesian Delivery Driver. But he is currently under arrest. So first of all, i need to take a photograph of him. Checks on him indicate he is working here illegally and likely faces deportation. Just likely faces deportation. Just four years ago, Immigration Enforcement were only really encountering a handful of Illegal Immigrants working in the gig economy. Now its fast. It is one of the key target areas for these officers. This operation is part of a major crackdown, specifically targeting those, exploiting the gig economy, where legitimate self employed Delivery Drivers often rent out their accounts to undocumented workers. Theyre undercutting legitimate employers and theyre undercutting legitimate employees, both who are trying to undertake things playing by the rules. And it really is it really is a major issue. Really is a major issue. Immigration key comes to the door , please. Door, please. In east london. Other officers are targeting the homes officers are targeting the homes of undocumented drivers. Of undocumented drivers. You dont see them coming in and out. Did i have a motorbike . The suspect here has, it seems , the suspect here has, it seems, moved on to another address. Moved on to another address. Not uncommon given the transit nature of undocumented immigrants. Transit nature of undocumented immigrants. Back in brighton this brazilian rider has just been arrested after trying to escape by going the wrong way up a one way street. A one way street. Hes spotted immigration officers , we think, and hes officers, we think, and hes tried to flee. It looks the early indications are that hes working in breach of his entry conditions to the uk. Conditions to the uk. There are those who feel these riders are doing little harm and these raids are a distraction from the trauma and tragedy unfolding all too often in the mediterranean and in the engush in the mediterranean and in the English Channel. This past weekend. But Authorities Say weekend. But Authorities Say illegal working and illegal journeys are absolutely linked. Journeys are absolutely linked. The illegal working is a major pull factor for illegal migration into the uk. If you know youre coming to the uk with a job, youre more likely to travel here illegally and also undertake potentially unsafe journeys. Home office say many the home office say many Delivery Companies are increasingly cooperating in the efforts to stop illegals exploiting their services , but exploiting their services, but they still need to do far more to check those delivering food and goods in their name are who they say they are. Mark white gb news brighton. And mark white news brighton. And mark white joins us now. Mark, good morning. We saw the news last week about ministers issuing greater fines for anybody employed by illegal migrants. Would that affect this situation . Well, its difficult , but well, its difficult, but there was a court of appeal case in 2021, which really deemed that those working for these Delivery Companies are freelance. Its difficult then to go after the big employers. Clearly if they can prove that an individual who has an account with the big Delivery Company is and then is subletting that, hiring it out to multiple people, they can trace that back to the account owner. Then yeah, they can. They can face fines. No ones to going do that, though, are they . Realistically i mean, mark, another corking exclusive. Well done. The aldershot car wash bus was fantastic and that wash bus was fantastic and that was quite different. That was illegals actually caught working directly. But this how on earth directly. But this how on earth do you chase the shadows of somebody whos legitimately got a contract with deliveroo . Just eat whoever and then sublet it out to a guy in a hoodie. You know, theres hundreds of them on high street in the uk. On every high street in the uk. I will come as no i think this will come as no surprise to a lot of people watching the show today that this abundant. Big an this is so abundant. How big an issue do you think this is across the uk . Well huge. Across the uk . Well its huge. No doubt. I mean, there is no doubt. I mean, many people that will have ordered food to be delivered at their home will probably have come across people coming to their door who are clearly not their door who are clearly not the same person thats appeared on the app when they say theyre on the app when they say theyre on their way to you and theres you know, theres potential safety issues. But i think its more to do with the fact that, yes, its a pull factor. More to do with the fact that, yes, its a pull factor. The yes, its a pull factor. The employment is obviously a pull factor for those crossing the channel illegally and sometimes undertaking dangerous journeys, resulting in tragedy like we saw over the weekend there. But also theres a big issue in terms of theres a big issue in terms of the money that the exchequer is missing out on. They reckon that the sort of the shadow economy, the sort of the shadow economy, the grey economy, black economy, whatever you want to describe it as, could be worth in excess of £220 billion a year. Wow. That is not going to the exchequer because its flying under the radar. Its cash in hand jobs and thats yes, Delivery Drivers. But more generally, in a gig economy , you know, the a gig economy, you know, the freelance employees doing work in car washes, in nail bars, in barbershops, wherever it might be. Its a huge issue. And it is very difficult, even though Immigration Enforcement have stepped up their enforcement activity, its up 50 on last yearin activity, its up 50 on last year in its just a drop in the ocean really, compared to what theyre facing. Do you think, mark, the part of the issue here is that all of us now are so used to having our lives brought to our doorsteps via Delivery Drivers, weve become addicted to the delivery service. Is service. And also business is addicted cheap labour. We saw addicted to cheap labour. We saw that with the brexit referendum. Were now seeing with were now seeing it with illegals pulled here, illegals being pulled here, getting the back door getting through the back door into economy this is into the economy like this is part problem that we want part of the problem that we want everything and everything to be cheap and therefore it creates a form of slave labour. I mean there is no yeah, i mean there is no doubt that with the advance is in technology and the drive towards making everything easier and convenient, towards making everything easier and convenient , there are and more convenient, there are those that are able to exploit the loopholes and this is a very particular loophole because within these companies , these within these companies, these contracts, if deliveroo or just eat or uber eats, whoever it is , get give set up these accounts with a specific driver. There is with a specific driver. There is a clause in the contract that the driver can effect , actively the driver can effect, actively have a substitute driver if they are not available at that time to deliver the food. And its that particular clause that seems to be exploited here. Now the Delivery Companies say that theyre cooperating much more with the home office than they ever have. They try to check to ever have. They try to check to ensure that all the drivers are legitimate. And i think many of them are. Thats the thing. It is legitimate drivers who are acting unlawfully. And the only real way about it is for the Delivery Companies to do more in the way of spot checks. Some say theyre doing it, but its a massive undertaking for them to constantly be checking all of the drivers to see they are who they are is there any way they are who they say they are . Is there any way, mark, that the public can get involved in this . For example, if somebody turns up at your door, thats clear. Not the guy the app. Clear. Not the guy on the app. What you do . I mean, people what do you do . I mean, people dont like grassing people up, but powers but i mean, is there any powers for the public to become the eyes ears effectively of the eyes and ears effectively of the of the immigration system . Think that is well, i think that is certainly spot certainly one avenue to spot checks, the checks, as i say, that the companies can do themselves elves to check that you know, the people have the the people that have the contracts the ones working contracts are the ones working that theyre going to that day, but theyre going to be far between. Be few and far between. Yes. If someone delivering someone is delivering wrong and its the person who its clearly not the person who is indicated on your app, you can contact them. Will they have a helmet but will they have a helmet on . Youre not going to know who it is anyway. Correct. Its a brilliant way of, like you say, ducking under the it is. Ducking under the radar. It is. And work in the system and its costing us a fortune in looking at those Police Officers at all those Police Officers there knocking on there and, you know, knocking on doors and arresting people, like can we just we just fix this problem . Stop costing problem . Please stop costing us. You out on those and you were out on those raids, so youre seeing, raids, right . So youre seeing, what, trying what, ten coppers trying to chase one whos not even there . Yeah. I mean, a massive yeah. I mean, its a massive undertaking. Mean, this undertaking. I mean, this is immigration but Immigration Enforcement, but they they do these operations as this the this particular one at the weekend in conjunction with weekend was in conjunction with Sussex Police. So its huge resource is from both the Home Office Immigration teams and the various Police Forces that are involved in this. And so often, you know, they will go to home addresses because of the transitory nature of the existence of these individuals. Existence of these individuals. They will often move on after a month or two at one particular location. Location. Well, mark, another cracking exclusive. Thanks once again for exclusive. Thanks once again for shining a light on the dark underbelly of immigration inc. All right. Youll be getting in touch this, this morning. Very briefly and has been saying were 50 were talking about 50 of people have people apparently would have another if uk another Eu Referendum if the uk was to return to the eu, we would be compelled them to would be compelled by them to take migrants as part take even more migrants as part of the return agreement. France is knowingly aiding and abetting illegal people illegal migration and people trafficking probably trafficking gangs. It probably doing half £1 billion doing it with half £1 billion that them now. That were giving them now. Says. Good morning, go, leon says. Good morning, bev. Good morning you, bev. Martin good morning to you, leon was horrified in 2016 leon. I was horrified in 2016 when i believed left the when i believed wed left the clutches eu, only to find clutches of the eu, only to find out that mps are covered their bases with thats exactly bases with laws. Thats exactly the point. We were meant to take back control of our borders , of back control of our borders, of our fisheries and our laws and our fisheries and our laws and our money, think we failed our fisheries and our laws and ommultiple think we failed our fisheries and our laws and ommultiple counts. Ink we failed on multiple counts. Us know your thoughts let us know your thoughts this morning. Vaiews gbnews. Com is address still is the email address and still to executive chair of to come, the executive chair of iceland , Richard Walker. Hes iceland, Richard Walker. Hes also this show. Also a friend of this show. I like to think hes going to be in to talk about the in the studio to talk about the increased of branded increased price of Branded Products. Products. Were news britains news were gb news britains news channel heres your channel and first, heres your weather. Weather. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello. Much of the uk are enjoying some pretty fine weather this week with lots of sunshine around. Yes, there will be a few showers here and there, but most places will be dry and feeling warm in that sunshine as well. We look the pressure well. We look at the pressure pattern can see high pattern then you can see High Pressure continuing to pressure really continuing to build in from the west. Thats whats bringing increasingly fine, weather fine, dry and sunny weather across a few across the country. Still a few showers the northeast, showers towards the northeast, closer to that area of low pressure, though. Heres a picture. Tuesday picture. Then through tuesday evening and overnight. Then as you a lot places you can see, a lot of places will dry overnight. Still will be dry overnight. Still a few showers across parts of scotland, north east england. These fade as we these tending to fade away as we head night. And head through the night. And actually for much england, actually for much of england, wales, ireland, will wales, Northern Ireland, we will see clear skies see largely clear skies developing that developing overnight and that will or miss or will lead to one or miss 1 or 2 mist fog patches and also mist and fog patches and also turning fairly chilly well in turning fairly chilly as well in some spots. But in towns some rural spots. But in towns and cities, temperatures holding up degrees. Is your up 10 to 13 degrees. Is your overnight those overnight lows. So under those clear will have clear skies, we will have a pretty start for much of pretty fine start for much of the Country First thing on wednesday morning. A lot of sunshine, across sunshine, particular across england, northern england, wales, Northern Ireland, more cloud, though, continuing of continuing to affect parts of scotland 1 or 2 scotland with a gain 1 or 2 showers actually much of showers and actually for much of the most places will be dry. The day most places will be dry. Like said, still the risk of like i said, still the risk of an isolated shower across england still further england and wales, still further showers parts of showers affecting parts of scotland england. Scotland and northeast england. But will dry but most places will be dry fine and warm 26 degrees and warm as well. 26 degrees there london. Low 20s for there for london. Low 20s for scotland and Northern Ireland. We into thursday, we look ahead into thursday, then largely dry then again, that largely dry theme set to continue with theme looks set to continue with clear for areas, some clear skies for many areas, some sunshine towards sunshine particularly towards the the northwest. A the west and the northwest. A bit cloud towards the east bit more cloud towards the east coast. But again in that sunshine, warmer coast. But again in that sunsasle, warmer coast. But again in that suns as we warmer coast. But again in that suns as we head warmer coast. But again in that sunsas we head into warmer coast. But again in that sunsas we head into friday. Mer still as we head into friday. But increasing but with that, an increasing risk showers and risk of showers and thunderstorms that warm feeling inside boxt boilers inside from boxt boilers of weather on 7 00 this evening. Gb news the people channel britons watching. Very good morning. Its 1023 with britains newsroom on gb news with Martin Daubney and bev turner. Now the Consumer Group which have revealed that some Branded Products have more than doubled in price over the last 12 months. I didnt need wicks to tell me that wicks not which me that wicks not wicks, which thats completely different shopping. Im doing a new shopping. Im doing a new bathroom. Thats why wicks is on my have called my mind. Many people have called for stock for supermarkets to stock alternative budget products to help struggling to eat help people struggling to eat amid cost of living crisis. Amid the cost of living crisis. What . Help is there so what . Help is there out there for us . Well, this morning were joined by executive chair of walker with of iceland, Richard Walker with his welcome to the his thoughts. Welcome to the show, of the rich. Show, friend of the show, rich. So, first all, can we touch so, first of all, can we touch on this this which report . I mean, ive really noticed myself ive stopped the big ive stopped buying the big brands your heinz brands now, not like your heinz ketchups, your bbq sauce, your branston because branston pickles, because i just think overpriced and think theyre so overpriced and ive super market own ive gone to super market own stuff and actually i quite like it. And i wonder if the big retailers are pushing their look a bit here because once you break that bond with break that that bond with a brand, theres no going back. Is brand, theres no going back. Is that what first of all, why the price is rocketing . Whats behind it . Mean, youre not yeah. I mean, youre not alone quite liking because alone in quite liking it because there definite growing there is a definite growing trend were seeing of trend that were seeing of people switching away from Branded Products to tertiary brands or indeed own label. Were over 90 own label on our frozen. We have a lot of own frozen. We have a lot of own label on our chilled lines on grocery, ambient grocery. We are exclusively brands and i think some of the reasons to answer your question behind it are genuine. You know, theres a war in ukraine thats caused commodity price shocks, which is a global phenomenon. Weve got inflationary pressures, everything from oil to labour and fuel and all of that is adding cost to the supply chain. And thats why you see costs go up and up and up. However its ourjob up and up and up. However its our job to up and up and up. However its ourjob to hold our suppliers to our job to hold our suppliers to account as well and make sure that the brand tax is not disproportionate and that were pushing back as hard as we can because weve got 5 million customers a week and they really depend on us more than ever at the moment. You were in the studio just a few weeks ago, richard. Are things any easier for the retailers at the moment . Do you find youre external costs find that youre external costs are going little . They are. And as soon as they do, we passit and as soon as they do, we pass it on. So weve reduced over 600 lines. Now. I think when i was last in, it was 400 lines. So in a couple more in the weeks in between, weve the few weeks in between, weve weve reduced were weve reduced 600 lines. Were now £1 million now investing half £1 million a week in terms of dropping these prices. And thats because were starting negotiate out and starting to negotiate out and see reductions from our see Price Reductions from our supply base. Were passing it supply base. Were passing it on. But lets be under no illusion we still have very high food inflation. Prices are still going just less quickly, going up, just less quickly, but they they are they have peaked. They are coming down. Youre much a high youre very much a high street arent you . I you street store, arent you . I you dont do online and delivery. We dont do online and delivery. We do. Do. We do more online deliveries in ocado a week. You really. Yes. Did not know that. Well add that my to list. But when that to my to do list. But when the high streets are being deceived with closed buildings , deceived with closed buildings, that must have an impact on you. How are you finding that particular issue . We see . I really like personally , passionately believe personally, passionately believe in high streets because my job is going around them all day, you know, and theyre the backbone of our communities. Theyre really important kind of parts fabric of our parts of the fabric of our societies. And every societies. And were on every high street in the uk. And youre right, the pitch is changing and on or changing and moving on or disappearing. Im proud of disappearing. But im proud of the that we continue the fact that we continue to invest. Until recently invest. We, up until recently have been opening 30 stores a yeah have been opening 30 stores a year. Thats 30 new jobs. Its £1 Million Investment store. £1 Million Investment per store. And thats really important for our economies. Our local economies. And what specifically are you doing consumers at the doing to help consumers at the moment this cost of living moment in this cost of living crisis . Yeah a big one crisis . Yeah well, a big one today is are today controversially, is we are advertising the fact that we are slashing the price on all formula milk in our stores. We surveyed over 500 of our customers around the uk. 90 of customers around the uk. 90 of them are now concerned about how they can afford to feed their babies. Yeah, exactly. And 80 babies. Yeah, exactly. And 80 think that supermarkets should be doing more. So you know, that sits on my conscience. And alongside these 600 products, you know, i hope its 800 a thousand in weeks to come. But specifically i wanted to target formula milk. Can i just point out because i think its important to do so, there are regular lines, arent there, in the industry around there, in the industry around the promotion that you can do with formula, milk and this is because have a Public Health because we have a Public Health concern where concern with breastfeeding where possible. The first option possible. Being the first option for new parents and new mums. Although we say that its not very easy. So if the nhs can give some help to breastfeeding mums, that would that would really its really help. But i think its just important kind of point just important to kind of point that actually. Yeah, that out actually. Yeah, absolutely. Particularly that out actually. Yeah, absoliyouve particularly that out actually. Yeah, absoliyouve gotiarticularly that out actually. Yeah, absoliyouve got toddlers ly that out actually. Yeah, absoliyouve got toddlers and when youve got toddlers and theyre old but theyre theyre getting old but theyre still having formula then theyre getting old but theyre still willng formula then theyre getting old but theyre still will ng foria ula then theyre getting old but theyre still willng foria difference|en theyre getting old but theyre still willng foria difference to that will make a difference to people. You can bring the people. If you can bring the pnces people. If you can bring the prices down of that really essential product. Yeah, absolutely. And the price of products. You price of that products. You asked how the price of asked about how the price of brands gone its gone brands has gone up, its gone up. Know, a weeks supply of up. You know, a weeks supply of , of nought to six months. First stage formula is, is now £14, 50. I mean thats enormous. When you a week when you consider some of our customers might have 30, £35 a week to spend on food and those mothers are on maternity leave. Yeah. So their their income goes down. Exactly. Theyve cut weve cut the so theyve cut weve cut the price by 20. Were not making any out of it and we, any money out of it and we, were selling that at £12 now and other as well and theres other brands as well. Cutting the price of all. Were cutting the price of all of it. Its the right thing to do, but technically its against the a really the law. I saw a really harrowing scene in my local store a mum was stealing store where a mum was stealing baby she didnt baby formula because she didnt have the money to pay for it, and i found like so and i found myself, like so upset, i sort of offered to pay. But the guy called her and i thought, you know what kind of mum would be driven to that because you anything because you do anything for youh because you do anything for your, your baby. Your, for your baby. It is very it you would. And it is very it is very real. Because of the is very real. But because of the affordability issue on formula, weve from our research weve found from our research that down that mums are watering down feed, dangerous or feed, super dangerous or skipping ignoring skipping feeds or ignoring sell by know, or, by dates, you know, or, or stealing because theyre forced to. Desperate to. So its a desperate situation and we need to do everything can help. Everything we can to help. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, absolutely. Ellie and you said then youre still open. Are you still opening that many stores every week . Weve pulled a little weve pulled back a little bit, know, times are tough. Bit, you know, times are tough. We our belts. We have to tighten our belts. But are still opening quite but we are still opening quite a few year and were few shops every year and were right sizing our portfolio. We do close a couple of shops a year well. You know, as year as well. You know, as leases but overall, leases come up. But overall, were growing estates were growing our estates and i very much hope in a year or twos well back to twos time well be back to opening 35 shops a year. Opening 30, 35 shops a year. But, you know, our Food Warehouse brand now the warehouse brand is now the fastest retailer the warehouse brand is now the fastithats retailer the warehouse brand is now the fastithats on retailer the warehouse brand is now the fastithats on outtailer the warehouse brand is now the fastithats on out of. Er the warehouse brand is now the fastithats on out of town the warehouse brand is now the fastithats on out of town retail uk. Thats on out of town retail parks. So thats remarkable. Yeah, were, you know, private family were trying family business. Were trying to do can and just keep do the best we can and just keep we dont take dividends. We we dont take any dividends. We just it all into just reinvest it all back into the business. Well, its the business. Yeah well, its a its success story, richard, its a success story, richard, and always good to see you and its always good to see you and thank you. Thank for doing what thank you for doing what youre doing, particularly for families, families, especially young mums. Weve all been getting us this getting in touch with us this morning. David has said, what if one of these illegal migrant Delivery Drivers we were talking about earlier with mark whites report accident. How report causes an accident. How do you stand with claiming insurance someone who is insurance from someone who is not even supposed to be here . Thats such a good point. And theres point yeah, and theres a point echoed this is after the echoed by ian. This is after the mark investigation into mark white investigation into the economy. Illegal workers the gig economy. Illegal workers working just eat working for deliveroo just eat and so forth. Are the and so on and so forth. Are the illegal economy drivers illegal gig economy drivers licenced drive cars or ride licenced to drive cars or ride motorcycle motorcycles or mopeds . Does this make our mopeds . And does this make our roads less its a great roads less safe . Its a great question. And often you see these guys kind of trying to get away and low traffic neighbourhoods and that sort neighbourhoods and all that sort of thing make it easier for them to dodge the law. But angela has said , well, but angela has said, well, one say at least they will but angela has said, well, one which ay at least they will but angela has said, well, one which seems ast they will but angela has said, well, one which seems to they will but angela has said, well, one which seems to be ey will work, which seems to be more than our home grown neer do wells. Unemployment payments are way, too high. Out of work way, way too high. Out of work for one or benefits should. For one year or benefits should. I think its a great point. Its point. This is its a great point. This is a good point. Dole paying good point. Is the dole paying more than it pays to work doing these sorts of gigs . And weve got this, this, this, this relationship with with social Services Social benefits. Do services is social benefits. Do we need to like break that chain because addicted to cheap labour . And i can tell you what my teenage son his mates, im teenage son and his mates, im not theyd do that job and teenage son and his mates, im not just theyd do that job and teenage son and his mates, im not just notyd do that job and teenage son and his mates, im not just not sureo that job and teenage son and his mates, im not just not sure theyt job and teenage son and his mates, im not just not sure they would. |d im just not sure they would. And thats a problem. You know, youve said many times and you always think about this, always make me think about this, particularly sort particularly with your sort of brexit background, is we brexit background, is that we have addicted to cheap have become addicted to cheap labour therefore there is a labour and therefore there is a whole generation down whole generation who look down their certain and their noses at certain jobs and say, im not going to do say, well, im not going to do that. It doesnt, it doesnt pay enough. Well, i swept floors, i worked in lace factories, i worked in lace factories, i worked pork pie factories. I worked in pork pie factories. I dug holes and anything for a pound. I we need to get that spirit back. Pound. I we need to get that spi|and|ck. Pound. I we need to get that spi|and you ended up here. Sorry and you ended up here. Sorry about still to about that. Right. Still to come, plans on how to reduce come, new plans on how to reduce the cancer waiting times. Come, new plans on how to reduce the yeah,r waiting times. Come, new plans on how to reduce the yeah, well ing times. Come, new plans on how to reduce the yeah, welling stuck yeah, well get stuck into that after morning news that after your morning news with hawkins. Yeah, its 1031. Im paul hawkins in the gb newsroom. Our top story this morning. Then figures from the office for National Statistics show wages rising at a record level in the three months to june. Inflation is currently 7. 9, but with regular pay growing by 7. 8 for the last quarter. Darren morgan, the director of statistics at the ons, has suggested peoples real pay ons, has suggested peoples real pay is recovering and new figures on inflation will be released tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk released tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk unemployment has risen to 4. 2 in the three months to june. Thats a rise of 0. 3 on the previous quarter. Its the highest rise since the three months to october 2021 and bnngs months to october 2021 and brings the measure above pre pandemic levels. However, the number of uk Job Vacancies has fallen by 66,000 between may and july. The home office has and july. The home office has exclusively told gb news theres been a huge increase in undocumented immigrants exploiting rules to work in the food delivery sector. Restaurants and Small Businesses offering Delivery Services are being urged to carry out more detailed checks on their drivers to crack down on scams. Home to crack down on scams. Home Office Officials say working in the shadow economy is a major pull factor for those embarking on often dangerous illegal journeys to the uk. And former journeys to the uk. And former us President Donald Trump has been indicted for a fourth time. Grand jury in georgia issued an indictment accusing him of trying to overturn his 2020 election loss to joe biden on 13 felony charges. 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There are three new pledges to help up. Yeah, were joined by the legendary carol sakura on that. This is britains newsroom on gb news with martin news. The peoples channel. Britains news. News. The peoples channel. Britains news. Channel welcome back. Its 1038. Welcome back. Its 1038. Youre with britains newsroom on gb news. With myself , martin on gb news. With myself, Martin Daubney and bev turner. So Cancer Patients will no longer have to be routinely referred to a specialist within 28 days, according to a proposal put forward by the nhs. Yeah, this was one of the three pledges to reduce cancer waiting times. Lets now to physician and lets go now to physician and oncologist of 50 years, the legendary professor karol sikora, who joins us live from beaconsfield. Can carol, this will come as no great surprise to you that we have these huge backlogs, something youve been saying since the very, very beginning of lockdown one and all credit to you. But can you please spell out to us the details of this particular delay . Well, 7 well, there have been three targets that have put forward to move on. The problem is that means we cant compare the last five years with the next five years. And thats what targets are about. If youve got an individual patient, say you have canceh individual patient, say you have cancer, you want to be treated as fast as possible. You want to not have a target. You dont have to wait 28 days or 62 days, which are two the new which are two of the new targets. You just want to get treatment and they managed to do it france and germany. So why it in france and germany. So why cant do it here . I think cant we do it here . And i think most of us oncologists realise that targets are necessary in the system because they are an indication of how much better youre getting with time. So we know with covid its screwed up completely the diagnosis of cancer and the treatment of cancer and the treatment of cancer. Cancer and the treatment of cancer. And a lot of people have cancer. And a lot of people have died from cancer for because of covid. So as we come out of it, the important thing is have things we can measure that really matter. If youre a cynic really matter. If youre a cynic , you just say moving the goalposts , changing the goalposts, changing the deckchairs on the titanic is going to make no difference to the real problem. Lack of staff , lack of equipment. You , i imagine, carol, that you, i imagine, carol, that you get no satisfaction at this stage because you were one of the very few people as martin said at the start of the first lockdown, saying that the nhs had become the nbc nothing but covid service. Covid service. And you saw this coming down the line. How frustrated does that make you. That make you. It was i went to see the chief executive of the nhs and i had a coffee together and i said, you know, youre going to do something. This is going to be terrible. Its going to be much worse than you even imagine. And it will be. But we wont know for five years because cancer like because cancer is not like infectious diseases. Its a slow burn it takes to 5 years burn and it takes 3 to 5 years to collect the data to show how people have affected in people have been affected in terms survival. And of terms of survival. And of course, the Covid Patients that died were in their 80s most of them okay. Some were much youngeh them okay. Some were much younger, majority were younger, but the majority were over 80 Cancer Patients are under 60. So youre swapping one set of deaths for another and no action was taken. It was sort of too difficult at the time. So, carol, is this announcement today a basic, tangible sign that the government has completely failed ed on its pledges to cut nhs waiting lists for cancer . And secondly , something we talk secondly, something we talk about a lot is a more nimble service, a more joined up service, a more joined up service between the public and the private sector. Is that something that you would like to see to help reduce that backlog . I think its the only way forward. I mean, weve got a backlog of 7. 4, 7 million. I read this morning, people waiting for something now thats not cancer, but some Cancer Patients are in that backlog. Theyre sitting that backlog. Theyre sitting there diagnosed yet. So there not diagnosed yet. So weve got to get that through. Weve got to get that through. And think weve got to take it and i think weve got to take it much this much more seriously. This backlog , rather like the covid backlog, rather like the Covid Vaccine programme, that was an amazing piece of logistics for politicians for nhs, for the administration. They got it administration. They got it going. Everybody got on my smartphone. Ive got the batch numbers of my vaccines and so on. Where else in the nhs can you get Something Like that . You know, you cant make an appointment with your gp on your phone without speaking to someone thats on the whole pretty rude to you and its things could be different in the nhs for the backlog. Weve got to do something, use the private sector , use every available , get sector, use every available, get the weekend working in all the hospitals, make it a project that we want to do, not just canceh that we want to do, not just cancer, but the whole backlog. Cancer, but the whole backlog. Itll be handed over to the next government with the backlog still there and itll go on for five years. If we dont do something now. So this so to something now. So this so to some extent, carol, i think this is a way of cooking the books, isnt it, in terms of the figures. So it all gets a little bit obfuscated and nobody can really look back and say whether the nhs won or lost this particular battle cancer. The idea battle with cancer. But the idea that if you once youve that you if you once youve received diagnosis, received a cancer diagnosis, youll treatment within youll start treatment within nine weeks, is that must be the most incredibly tense nine weeks for people. And also , how much for people. And also, how much damage can certain cancers do within nine weeks if you let the disease have a have a run on someone, have a head start, you know, the target is laughable when you go to the europe and you present at meetings as they come up to you, my colleagues in paris and in rome, and say this this 62 day wait, why do patients that know theyve got cancer have to wait either 28 days or 62 days . It makes no sense to us. And the reason is the system. It the reason is the system. It does sort of have the capacity , does sort of have the capacity, but its lost in a bureaucracy. But its lost in a bureaucracy. People go round and round in it. Weve got to change. Weve got a streamline it, you know, Budget Airlines streamlines the way you book. You check in, you check in baggage, all that sort of stuff. The nhs could do the of stuff. The nhs could do the same. Its got the capabilities, but it doesnt. And its service users. Youre not a customer. Thats the problem. Weve got to get to a customer age where you are a customer of health and youre in charge. Okay . Professor karol sikora, thank you so much for joining us. Always good to see you. Right now, our guests are here in the studio without further ado, as they say , emma wolf is ado, as they say, emma wolf is here and also nigel nelson to go through some of our big stories two years to the day, emma, since the taliban swept into the Afghan Capital of kabul. It feels like longer ago than that. Of course, Boris Johnson was Prime Minister i think at the time, but we had so many Prime Ministers the last few ministers during the last few years. To to years. Its hard to hard to remember. And you want to talk about the taliban has about how the taliban has basically trashed rights basically trashed womens rights in oh, surprise. Oh, surprise. Oh, surprise. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Two years since the since fall of kabul, as you since the fall of kabul, as you say, anniversary really say, the anniversary really interesting the i just interesting piece in the i just outlining incredibly outlining the incredibly depressing state of womens rights afghanistan and the rights in afghanistan and the way the taliban are enforcing ever stricter kind of, you know, constraints on womens lives. Ill just give you a list of some of the things that have happened since august 2021. No women in cabinet. That was right from the start. No sports or gym visits for women, no mixed universities. First of all, they were segregated using curtains. Were segregated using curtains. Now no Higher Education at all for girls and women, no shelter for girls and women, no shelter for Domestic Abuse victims, no taxi rides for women, no foreign trips, no visible faces. So the trips, no visible faces. So the burqa is mandatory to cover completely. Youre not allowed a visible face, no entertainment , visible face, no entertainment, no university now. So theres no Higher Education at all . No. No beauty salons , which were the beauty salons, which were the places sounds petit beauty salons were the places where women actually talk to women could actually talk to each there are 60,000 each other. There are 60,000 women have lost their jobs in women have lost theirjobs in beauty its just beauty salons. Gosh, its just such a constricted and constrained and restricted life i the other thing that gets me about this do you do you remember at the time how the Mainstream Media were trying to rebrand the taliban . Because the rebrand the taliban . Because the taliban actually said were more inclusive these days. Were not like the old taliban. And here we are. Nigel reverting to form de facto sharia law and a patriarchal, misogynistic existence. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, all all those things that the taliban made promise as each one of them, theyve broken. And what is sad about this, there was a time when the Afghan Parliament more women in parliament had more women mps in it the british parliament. It than the british parliament. And now you can see weve gone shooting back. And i think also shooting back. And i think also britain obviously , because we britain obviously, because we were involved in the war there for 20 years, bears some responsibility. So weve got, for instance , the evening for instance, the Evening Program run by the Foreign Office elite from office for elite students from afghanistan after the after the fall of kabul, afghanistan after the after the fall of kabul , that we gave them fall of kabul, that we gave them to indefinite leave to remain. Now were telling them they have to go back. And these are people , well, who would be persecuted in afghanistan were they to do so, because many of them are women. Women. Well, its not a surprise at all now that the taliban are misogynist and its also not a surprise at all. Nigel, moving on your order that the on to your next order that the eu rejected rishis deal to eu has rejected rishis deal to return why would they return migrants, why would they take from us they return migrants, why would they take even from us they return migrants, why would they take even controlus they return migrants, why would they take even control their they return migrants, why would they take even control their own 1ey cant even control their own borders . Well, quite when theyre gently encouraging them towards yeah. Yeah. The the last thing they the last the last thing they want our migrants top of want is our migrants on top of their because got their own because theyve got far, than have. What far, far more than we have. What im a bit surprised about is that rishi sunak went down this route tried to negotiate route and tried to negotiate with the eu rather than negotiate with individual countries. We have a returns agreement with albania now. Its cost us quite a bit of money to go get it, but it means that go and get it, but it means that the number of albanians crossing the number of albanians crossing the English Channel is down by 90. So. So it appears that might mean negotiating with the taliban because a lot of afghans are coming over. So how do you do that with with countries like the one we just set out which have no human rights whatsoever . Just set out which have no human rights whthey� ver . Just set out which have no human rights whthey wont care. Well, they wont care. Interesting. We couldnt interesting. If we couldnt negotiate with the taliban, i mean, might help if we mean, it might help if we reopened there. If reopened our embassy there. If we able to do because we were able to do so, because at that would start those at least that would start those things but bear in mind things going. But bear in mind that weve had that the way weve had successful settled successful settlement settled payment with ukrainians, Payment Systems with ukrainians, hong kongers and syrians, we messed up the afghan the afghanistan one quite considerably. And i do think we considerably. And i do think we owe these people all a duty of care , given that they were care, given that they were supporting us during the war. But the afghan resettlement scheme has been a huge success. We said yesterday, weve taken over 24,000 to the uk with more than met our obligations. Yeah, i mean i mean, we did say 20,000 and you were right when you said yesterday, i think it was 23,000. That was the, was the amount that you mentioned. Yes, weve taken than we said. And the taken more than we said. And the whole point is do have a whole point is we do have a moral responsible duty to actually how actually take more. We know how many america take, because i very much blame biden for that rapid evacuation out of afghanistan. I mean, he literally left the helicopters and just said, you can have well, we were caught short, and were. Short, completely, and we were. Biden have any idea biden did do we have any idea how many afghans american i know. I know a lot did go to america because they got a lot out. The real problem was out. But the real problem was everyone left such a hurry. Everyone left in such a hurry. An awful lot people were left an awful lot of people were left behind. Was to talking behind. So i was to talking a Security Guard worked in the Security Guard who worked in the in kabul embassy. We had no in our kabul embassy. We had no plan the catering staff and plan for the catering staff and for the cleaners. All people who for the cleaners. All people who Foreign Office were on holiday and emails were thousands of emails were right. Ive forgotten that. Emma yes i its so weird to think back to that august and it was just utterly bungled. There was no preparation in place two years ago, so it was in the middle of the pandemic and everybodys eyes were turned and everybody was distracted. Dealing with all was distracted. Dealing with all junior cant help junior civil. I cant help staffer looking at emails and saying, get back to you. Saying, well get back to you. Think if i was i cant help think if i was in the home office here, id be on the phone to america saying, we to. We have a lot of we need you to. We have a lot of afghans wanting to live afghans now wanting to live here. Were going to send them to english to america. Its english speaking. Are speaking. You know, you are partly this. Partly responsible for this. Anyway, thats it. Ive solved it right. Anyway, thats it. Ive solved it right. Come have a cup of tea i suella braverman. Right. Suella braverman. Right. Should we talk about these School Leavers . Emma going to university as costs escalate or not going to university . University . Well, yeah, weve talked lots about young people and children and young people during the pandemic and what a catastrophic effect on their effect it had on their education. Well, their education. Well, on their social, social on their social, social lives, on their development, also on their development, but also on their education. You know, we know recently about the about the a level. Likely grade a level. Well the likely grade inflation thats to going happen this get results. This week when we get results. Right. And the fact that right. And also the fact that theres Student Accommodation theres no Student Accommodation for university its for university students. So its not picture. Now now, not a pretty picture. Now now, this really interesting poll in the paperis this really interesting poll in the paper is saying that its the i paper is saying that its the i paper is saying that its the living as well. They the cost of living as well. They simply afford it. Of simply cant afford it. Of course it is. Mean, theyre i mean, theyre getting forced every angle. Forced from every angle. Average debt that you and the average debt that you leave you graduate im leave when you graduate and im sure than this, the sure its higher than this, the average student debt is around £45,000 simply cant £45,000 and people simply cant afford if they could afford it. Even if they could find accommodation anything else. And what see here, nigel, and what we see here, nigel, once again, is the poorest pupils , working class, pupils, the working class, particularly White Working Class boys, demographic of boys, the lowest demographic of all to attend all in the uk to attend university, squeezed university, being squeezed out today. Seen that today. Yes, weve seen that foreign students are being caught they pay 3 or 4 caught because they pay 3 or 4 times the amount. Meanwhile, the humble native is getting humble native brit is getting shafted. Well, i mean, the one of the problems i think was tony blair is a legacy of tony blair, where he wanted 50 of people to go university and university go to university and university doesnt everyone. Doesnt suit everyone. So obviously, youve got and so obviously, youve got people who who went there because of the inflation and exam grades during covid when teachers were actually assessing them. Theyve got there and theyve had to drop out because theyve had to drop out because they cant cope with it. So i think we ought to look at university as a more tailored approach for everybody. Whoever you , and make it is the you are, and make sure it is the right it is right sort of right it is the right sort of choice you. Apprenticeships choice for you. Apprenticeships are good nowadays and are really good nowadays and theres an awful lot you can do on that, which leads you to a to a job probably much better than a job probably much better than a university. Neglected those totally neglected those proper plumbers, the proper skills. The plumbers, the electricians all the electricians, all that the builders value them and respect them, not just, you know, but once, once again, we need once again, it brings us back to that conversation we addicted to conversation we were addicted to cheap labour, which we were importing long before brexit, but didnt we have to do . Didnt we have to bring poles we have to bring over the poles who built my house . And do who have built my house . And do we not have to bring them over because teenagers from years because our teenagers from years ago, like say, from tony blair and beyond, they and slightly beyond, they werent they werent learning those already be . Those skills. Theyd already be . Thats a huge well, thats a huge conversation to be had about about benefits being, you know, too tempting to get into those trades. We will solve the illusion blair that illusion by blair that university was the for university was the route for everybody it didnt didnt everybody and it didnt didnt work working class people. Work for working class people. Nigel, know youve been nigel, i know youve been waiting time have waiting a long time to have a p0p waiting a long time to have a pop brexit. Come on, pop at brexit. Come on, exporters think brexit has done more harm than good. Story from the times. Yeah. Martin, i dont think we should go back on brexit, by the way. Think i think weve the way. I think i think weve done we must keep it. Done it now. We must keep it. Youve been hanging out but youve been hanging out here too long, nigel nelson. Youve a cost to pay and youve changed a cost to pay and brexiteers must recognise price. You tm m. If you think its a price worth great. I didnt. Worth paying, great. I didnt. Which i voted remain. But which is why i voted remain. But heres another example. What did you vote for . What did you vote for . Pardon . Pardon . Did vote . You tell pardon . Again. Did vote . You tell pardon . Again. Heres vote . You tell pardon . Again. Heres anotherou tell pardon . Again. Heres another example us again. Heres another example where as a survey by the business and trade department looking at companies exporting abroad and as far as all these wonderful new trade deals with the rest of the world that we were promised, there , just not were promised, there, just not its just not not working for them, its worthwhile pointing out that exports and imports to and from the eu have increased since brexit. Yeah, but youve got youve got a cost on various things since then too. So for instance , food has gone up in price by around 25 since 2019. Is that because of brexit . What about 8 . What about in usa . 8 of that is due to brexit. And the reason for that is referring back to what you just said. We cant get the cheap labour we used to have through free movement. Thats because again , were thats because again, were addicted cheap labour through addicted to cheap labour through immigration. Thats what the remainers along. Remainers said all along. Just in one word, would you just in one word, emma, would you like to see the brexit referendum held again . God, no, no, no, no. Oh, god, no, no, no, no, no. We oh, god, no, no, no, no, no. We need to do something and move on. Fantastic. On. Okay, fantastic. Well, we are moving on. Okay, fantastic. Thank well, we are moving on. Okay, fantastic. Thank you. , we are moving on. Okay, fantastic. Thank you both are moving on. Okay, fantastic. Thank you both emmaving on. Okay, fantastic. Thank you both emma and on. Thank you both emma and nigel. Back in just a nigel. Youll be back in just a little the next few little while. In the next few moments, to going be moments, were to going be bringing more details about bringing you more details about trumps indictment that is after your with mark your Weather Forecast with mark wilson temperatures are rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello much of the uk are enjoying some pretty fine weather this week. Lots of sunshine around. Yes, there will be a few showers here and there, but most places will be dry and feeling warm in that sunshine as well. Look at the pressure well. We look at the pressure pattern. Can see high pattern. Then you can see High Pressure continuing to pattern. Then you can see high presslin continuing to pattern. Then you can see high presslin from continuing to pattern. Then you can see high presslin from the ntinuing to pattern. Then you can see high presslin from the west. � |g to pattern. Then you can see high presslin from the west. Thats build in from the west. Thats whats bringing increasingly fine, dry and sunny weather across country. Still a few across the country. Still a few showers towards the northeast, closer low closer to that area of low pressure, though. A pressure, though. Heres a picture. Tuesday picture. Then through tuesday evening and overnight. Then as you a lot of places you can see, a lot of places will be overnight. Still will be dry overnight. Still a few showers parts few showers across parts of scotland northeast england. Scotland and northeast england. These away as we these tending to fade away as we head the night. And head through the night. And actually england, actually for much of england, wales, Northern Ireland, we will see clear skies see largely clear skies developing overnight that see largely clear skies develeadlg overnight that see largely clear skies develeadlg most places will be dry fine and warm well. Degrees there warm as well. 26 degrees there for for scotland for london, low 20s for scotland and ireland. We look and Northern Ireland. We look ahead thursday. Again, ahead into thursday. Then again, that theme looks set that largely dry theme looks set to clear skies to continue with clear skies for many sunshine many areas, some sunshine particularly towards the west and north west. Bit more and the north west. A bit more cloud towards the east coast, but again in that Sunshine Feeling as feeling warm, warmer, still as we friday. But with we head into friday. But with that, an increasing risk of showers thunderstorms the showers and thunderstorms as the temperatures solar temperatures rising, boxt solar proud on gb news told the morning its 11 am. On tuesday, the 15th of august. This is britains newsroom with myself, Martin Daubney and the lovely bev turner. Thank you very much for tuning in this morning. Now donald trump has been charged by a Georgia Court with trying to illegally overturn the 2020 election. Its the fourth set of charges for the former president. Were to have the latest. Were going to have the latest with experts in the with one of the experts in the studio in just little while. Studio in just a little while. And the rate of uk unemployment jumps to 4. 2. Our business and economics editor Liam Halligan will be joining us in the studio with the very latest soon. And labour leader sir keir starmer has clashed finally with london mayor sadiq khan over the ulez scheme. He said there are alternatives to tackling pollution and it shouldnt hit peoples pockets during a cost of living crisis whilst doing a typical u turn on how he felt about ulez only a few weeks ago. Thats it. Ulez u turn and can you be too old to drive . Will be too old to drive . Will be speaking to the ceo of red Driver Training seb goldin , to Driver Training seb goldin, to ask whether this this is fair or is it instead a bit harsh making people retake their tests . Is it just ageism . Get in touch with us on that. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Us on that. Vaiews gbnews. Com. That driver story i am sure the majority of accidents are still caused by young men. You all correct as opposed to the elderly. So maybe theres an argument to be had that maybe we should be putting more restrictions on them. Those drivers. Let us know them. Those drivers. Let us know what you think. Vaiews gbnews. Com is the email address first address this morning. But first in hawkins is in the newsroom, paul hawkins is i good morning. Its 11 01. Good morning. Its11 01. Im paul hawkins in the gb newsroom. Our top story this morning, figures from the office for National Statistics show wages rising at a record level in the three months to june to close the gap on price rises. The gap on price rises. Inflation is currently 7. 9, but with regular pay growing by 7. 8 for the last quarter. Darren morgan, the director of statistic at the ons, has suggested peoples real pay is recovering. New figures on recovering. New figures on inflation will be released tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk tomorrow. Meanwhile, uk unemployment has risen to 4. 2 in the three months to june. Thats a rise of 0. 3 on the previous quarter. The however, the number of uk Job Vacancies has fallen by 66,000 between may and july. Donald trump is facing and july. Donald trump is facing his fourth indictment, this time in the state of georgia. The former us president is accused of trying to overturn his 2020 election defeat to joe biden. 13 election defeat to joe biden. 13 felony charges include falsely saying that Election Fraud had occurred and urging state officials to violate their oaths officials to violate their oaths of office by altering the election results. Hes the front runner as the republican nominee in next years president ial election and denies any wrongdoing ing the home office has exclusively told gb news theres been a huge increase in undocumented immigrants exploiting rules to work in the food delivery sector. It says food delivery sector. It says restaurants and Small Businesses are offering delivery. Services are offering delivery. Services are being urged to carry out more detailed checks on their drivers to crack down on scams. Home Office Officials say working in the shadow economy is a major pull factor for those embarking on often dangerous and illegal journeys to the uk. Nhs illegal journeys to the uk. Nhs hospitals in england will get a £250 million boost from the government to increase capacity as part of the Urgent Emergency Care recovery plan. Money will create 900 beds to relieve pressures and help cut waiting times for 30 nhs organisations. Will benefit from the investment. The majority of schemes will be completed by january to help deal with winter pressures. The Royal College of pressures. The Royal College of nursing, however, has questioned who will staff the new beds, given the recruitment problems in nursing. But Health Minister will quince says theyve taken that into account , that staffing that into account, that staffing is key component of this plan. Is a key component of this plan. The additional staffing numbers will come from that £1 billion budget, so the additional funding additional revenue funding which will flow through nhs england through those 30 trusts we through to those 30 trusts we have of course over the past year has seen an additional 6000 doctors and 15,000 nurses, but each of those trusts that have committed to build those 900 additional beds within their trusts have assured us an nhs england that they will be able to staff them with the funding suppued to staff them with the funding supplied 34,000 online grooming crimes have been recorded during a six year period from 20 1818. It comes as the Online Safety bill is expected to become law in the autumn. The nspcc has called on mps and tech giants to back the bill, which faced repeated changes and delays to the proposed legislation. In the proposed legislation. In citing data from 42 uk Police Forces. The charity says that 6350 offences related to sexual communication with a child were recorded last year. Speaking to us earlier, former Police Officer and podcast host Oliver Lawrence says monitoring Online Activity is proving to be more complicated than imagined. People are obviously slightly concerned that this is encroaching on their ability to have a level of privacy, but i think when were talking about the around people the concerns around people grooming i think grooming children, i think theres the there theres a line in the sand there and weve to make sure that and weve got to make sure that the priorities around safeguarding young people online, we that . We do online, how do we do that . We do that legislation making that through legislation making sure up the sure its keeping up with the tools online. Tools that are appearing online. Weve education piece weve got the education piece and making sure it all comes together effectively create together to effectively create a safe as we possibly safe environment as we possibly can do. Its a very difficult area to navigate. Can do. Its a very difficult are. The navigate. Can do. Its a very difficult are. The liberale. Can do. Its a very difficult are. The liberal democrats say the the liberal democrats say the prime should apologise the liberal democrats say the pri students should apologise the liberal democrats say the pri students s missi apologise the liberal democrats say the pri students s miss out logise the liberal democrats say the pri students smiss out onjise to students who miss out on their grades week. Their expected grades this week. This comes as analysis from the London School of economics suggests they each lost 48. 5 days of learning during the pandemic. 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Bev nice to see paul hawkins in the newsroom, isnt it . Hes normally outside a court or somewhere reporting for us. Its nice to have him in the studio. I keep telling him i want that its a lovely coloured tie. Now, former us president donald has been with a donald trump has been hit with a fourth time by the fourth charge, this time by the state georgia, who are state of georgia, who are accusing attempting to accusing him of attempting to overturn election loss overturn his 2020 election loss to joe biden. Yeah. District attorney from the state issued a state of georgia has issued a deadune state of georgia has issued a deadline of the 25th of august for former president and 18 for the former president and 18 other allies to turn themselves in. Trump denies , of in. Meanwhile, trump denies, of course, any wrongdoing. Are joined now by so we are joined now by friend of the show and chair of republicans overseas, greg swenson. Greg, good morning. Was republicans overseas, greg swe aon. Greg, good morning. Was republicans overseas, greg swe a surprise . Good morning. Was republicans overseas, greg swe a surprise . A od morning. Was republicans overseas, greg swe a surprise . A fourth rning. Was this a surprise . A fourth indictment . Not at all. This has been telegraphed a while. Even telegraphed for a while. Even president has been President Trump has been indicating that he expected it. And this this da fani willis, she ran as a get trump candidate , very similar to alvin bragg in fact, her comments yesterday reminded me of alvin braggs speech when they did the new york indictment. This one might york indictment. This one might have a little more meat on the bone, so to speak. That alvin bone, so to speak. That alvin bragg indictment in new york was a complete joke. And i dont even think itll make it to trial. Of course, theres the audio recording, there, trump recording, isnt there, of trump basically it. Can you . Basically saying it. Can you . Ive to it several ive listened to it several times and there various times and there are various intonations think possibly intonations and i think possibly intonations and i think possibly in could convince in court you could convince a jury that what he meant was i need to find an extra 11,000, lubricate the votes, 11,000 votes. But but sort of rhetorically. Yeah , exactly. And i think yeah, exactly. And i think that thats the way you have to interpret it. And i think therell be at least one juror that will do the same. Its the same as the federal january 6th indictment. They cant really point to any crimes where theres been a record or history of those crimes being committed. So its a real stretch to try to do that. Yeah, and having worked in politics myself , you know, politics a bit myself, you know, to say we need find more to say we need to find more votes, its just a routine turn of mean that of phrase. It doesnt mean that you fabricate or cook of phrase. It doesnt mean that you exactly. 1bricate or cook of phrase. It doesnt mean that you exactly. Its ate or cook of phrase. It doesnt mean that you exactly. Itsjustor cook of phrase. It doesnt mean that you exactly. Itsjust a cook of phrase. It doesnt mean that you exactly. Its just a wayz them. Exactly. Its just a way of getting them anyway. The real question, of course, greg, is will make ounce of will this make an ounce of difference . Mean, the don will this make an ounce of differe|bomb mean, the don will this make an ounce of differe|bomb proof, the don will this make an ounce of differe|bomb proof to re don will this make an ounce of differe|bomb proof to these seems bomb proof to these indictments another day, another indictment. Yeah, its you know, deja vu all over again as berra all over again as yogi berra used not going used to say, this is not going to hurt him, thats for sure. He probably wont get of probably wont get much of a bump he already got the bump because he already got the huge alvin bragg huge bump from the alvin bragg indictment. Smaller one after indictment. A smaller one after the second indictment and not much after the third because so all of that, the votes or all of that, all the votes or support that have moved from the other especially other candidates, especially ron desantis, to trump. Desantis, have gone to trump. Theyre not necessarily permanent. Theres a lot of persuadable in there. But he does have the sympathy. And i does have the sympathy. And i can understand why a of can understand why a lot of people are seeing this as people are are seeing this as a real travesty and really, you real travesty and a really, you know, two tiered Justice System or a weaponization of the justice whatever Justice System, whatever you want call it. Theres want to call it. Theres definitely a double standard. By the way, comes on the heels the way, it comes on the heels of another for the biden of another bad day for the biden influence. Know, biden influence. You know, the biden family peddling ring. Family influence peddling ring. You know, they announced that theres a special, you know , a theres a special, you know, a special counsellor on friday. I think that actually does more to protect the bidens. But it was protect the bidens. But it was still big news. And sure enough, indictment the next day. Yeah. Yeah. And just remind our viewers and listeners whats going on with the biden family, because there have been a lot of people for a long time looking at the biden family, particularly Hunter Bidens to Hunter Bidens connections to ukraine, which go back years and saying . Why is there no saying why . Why is there no spotlight on potential misdoings in that family . Is it changing slightly now . Slightly . You saw some of the establishment media last week finally acknowledging that this could be a problem politically for the bidens, but theyve been protected by the justice department, protected by the fbi, the irs , as well as being fbi, the irs, as well as being really protected by the media. So this stuff, you know, a lot of this came out in 2019. The fbi had the laptop in 2019. The New York Post published the famous laptop story in october of 20. But there was real collusion between the media and the democrats to basically censor that news. Its no longer possible to censor it. And you saw a little pivot from the white house where he always said, ive never discussed anything about my sons former foreign business. They changed that. They tried to do it quietly and to ive never been in business with my son and that. So i think youre starting to see a bit of a shift. But every time theres bad news, they come up with an indictment. I mean, of course, trumps critics point out that he critics will point out that he knowingly wilfully a knowingly and wilfully joined a conspiracy unlawfully change conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the of the election. So they are serious allegations. Jones yeah. The allegations. Jones yeah. The question the question is, will they stick . And the bigger question is, will it make any difference to his polling . I mean, has the latest polling mean, how has the latest polling reflected revelations . Reflected by these revelations . Theres nothing out yet because it was just yesterday. But but even the poll after the third indictment, the first polls came out, basically polls that came out, basically showed the same amount showed him with the same amount of support. Maybe he got of support. So maybe he got a one point bump. But after alvin bragg, he you know, he picked up 30 points. After the raid on 30 points. And after the raid on mar when he was up nine mar a lago, when he was up nine over desantis, he picked up 30 points. Was 39 points. It was up 39 over desantis. You know, these are desantis. So you know, these are things are that are quite things that are that are quite obvious to the voter. But but things that are that are quite 0bv11|js to the voter. But but things that are that are quite obviii think he voter. But but things that are that are quite obviii think the iolei. But but things that are that are quite obviii think the establishedt now i think the established media has at least has to acknowledge , george, that this acknowledge, george, that this is for news the for the is bad for news the for the Justice System. How is this all working out for my friend ron desantis . He had a great weekend in iowa. So obviously, this is not great for desantis because, again, every time theres an indictment, you know, trump gets a bump not only in polling but in fundraising thing. Again, not as great as the first one. So theres been a bit a its a theres been a bit of a its a bit linear, an and but obviously this is not good for desantis pnor this is not good for desantis prior to the alvin bragg indictment, he was only down 12 points to trump and had momentum. Hopefully debates that. So hopefully the debates that started on the 23rd, the famous Newsom Desantis debate , that Newsom Desantis debate, that that isnt scheduled yet. But im pretty sure will happen. And then now that this probably the last indictment, you know, hopefully therell be some focus on the other candidates and the campaign. Yeah, its a delicate balancing game for all of them, isnt it . It could tip in either way. It could tip in the favour of ron desantis at the turn of a hat, or it could, as you say, just galvanise the trump supporters. Just thank you so much, greg. Lovely to see you. Much, greg. Lovely to see you. Just apologies if you were reading on there. I think we showed an image on a placard that had a an expletive on at shirt. Sorry if you are offended now, you k wages grew by 7. 8 between april and june , marking between april and june, marking a record growth rate since 2011. Thats according to new figures from the ons. Figures from the ons. But this comes as uk unemployment is also on the up rising to 4. 2 in the three months to june. So Liam Halligan is in our studio now, so people would hear wages have gone up. Hurrah. Wages have gone up. Hurrah. Thats great news. Is it . Well, these are this is the average increase in wages. So average increase in wages. So some people have got, you know, a large pay rise, particularly some people in the Public Sector, some people have got no pay sector, some people have got no pay rise at all. If youre in the gig economy, you havent got much negotiating power. So as with these things, weve got with all these things, weve got to be of what we call an to be mindful of what we call an economics, the tyranny of the average. Average be the average. The average may be the average, people dont live average, but people dont live in average world. Live in an average world. They live in an average world. They live in their world. They live their lives. Lets have a look at some of numbers now. You just of the numbers now. You just said, correctly, wages said, bev, correctly, that wages went actually if you went up 7. 9. Actually if you include a of include bonuses. And a lot of pubuc include bonuses. And a lot of Public Sector people have been getting well, not getting bonuses as well, not least the these one off least in the nhs, these one off pay least in the nhs, these one off pay increases , wages went up pay increases, wages went up 8. 2 between april june. 8. 2 between april and june. Inflation in june was 7. 9. Look at that. So wages, including bonuses went up more than inflation. So thats the first rise in what we call real wages, wages allowing for inflation since october 2021 under employment. Meanwhile has gone up quite a bit, but its still low by historic standards, from 4 to 4. 2. So there is a rise in real wages if you got if you include bonuses in the real wage figures. But these are just averages and its a very, very small rise. So i wouldnt be small rise. So i wouldnt be calling the end to the cost of living crisis just yet. Do we know why the unemployment has gone up . Because we keep hearing theres least a million theres at least a million positions need in positions that need filling in there are there still over a there are there are still over a million vacancies and journalists been for journalists have been saying for a time, we got more a long time, oh, we got more than a million vacancies. The trouble is weve now got just 1 million vacancies just over 1 million vacancies and vacancies are actually down 20 compared to this time last yeah 20 compared to this time last year. So the Labour Market has tightened, if you like. On the tightened, if you like. On the other hand , id also say even other hand, id also say even though there are lots of vacancies, theres lots of mismatches, theres geographic mismatch. The jobs arent always where people live. Theres what we call occupational mismatch. We call occupational mismatch. The Jobs Available require skills that people often dont have. Skills that people often dont have. Weve also got, you know, have. Weve also got, you know, upwards of three, maybe 4 million people. Quotes long term sick. The number of which has massively increased since covid. So, look, this isnt unemploy Movement Like in the late 80s when we were growing up. You know , 1 in 10 ub40, 3 million. Know, 1 in 10 ub40, 3 million. Its much, much smaller than that, but its still going up a bit as the Labour Market shifts i and liam, you know, that would have seen mike whites report today. The boost on on illegal working within the Delivery Driver sector. How much Delivery Driver sector. How much of an issue is that in terms of the billions of lost revenue to the billions of lost revenue to the exchequer by this kind of sub letting out of contracts to people who work illegally . Theres always been a sizeable what we call grey economy in uk, be it the economy in the uk, be it the building trade, hospitality building trade, the hospitality industry. You know, i worked in industry. You know, i worked in a lot of kitchens doing portering as a kid where you pick up a lot good banter and pick up a lot of good banter and most, know, in kitchens most, you know, in the kitchens i worked in in various parts of london, lots and lots of people were there illegally and that london, lots and lots of people werekinde illegally and that london, lots and lots of people werekind of llegally and that london, lots and lots of people werekind of azgally and that london, lots and lots of people werekind of a bady and that london, lots and lots of people werekind of a bad badgethat london, lots and lots of people werekind of a bad badge oft was kind of a bad badge of honouh was kind of a bad badge of honour. Theres always honour. So theres always been this uk, course , its this in the uk, of course, its perhaps its gone up in in recent years as weve had an influx of people coming in, small boats and other forms of immigration. And theres one other thing id say about these wage numbers. While headline wage numbers. While the headline is in real wages is the first rise in real wages since 2021, thats true. This the fact that there is still Wage Inflation plus the fact that gdp growth was actually better than expected last week, both those things combined. Strap yourself in, make it more likely that the bank of england will raise Interest Rates when they meet. Next on september the 20th and september the 21st. And is that because theres more money in peoples pockets . So theres more money in the economy . Therefore weve to economy . Therefore weve got to stop spending. Therefore, stop people spending. Therefore, heres your heres some more pain. Your mortgage up. Mortgage is going up. Its because the people on the policy committee, its because the people on the nine policy committee, its because the people on the nine economists, zommittee, the nine economists, some of them theres still what them will say theres still what we a wage price spiral. We call a wage price spiral. That is, wages are going up. That is, wages are going up. That means firms costs are going up. They pass those costs onto consumers. So consumers demand consumers. So consumers demand higher wages in an upward spiral. I think that impact is overdone. Ive been calling for overdone. Ive been calling for rates to be put on hold since since april , of course. But rates to be put on hold since since april, of course. But i do think the bank of england will raise Interest Rates as things stand at the moment on when we get to mid september for a key number is next week, next wednesday , sorry, tomorrow will wednesday, sorry, tomorrow will be the inflation number. If that inflation number is particularly low, if it starts with a five or low, if it starts with a five or low six from 7. 9, then the bank of england may hold. But as things currently stand, i think an Interest Rate rise is nailed on. On. What do you think the inflation rate will be tomorrow . So it was it went from 8. 7 to 7. 9 from june to from may to june. I 7. 9 from june to from may to june. I think tomorrow it will be i think it will start with a six and i think itll be Something Like 6. 4 or 6. 5. But i still think even though thats a sizeable chunky reduction in inflation in i just dont think the mpc has got the intellectual grit to push back against the consensus and hold Interest Rates. Theyre also desperate to try and re establish some credibility because they were so slow to get going with rate rises. But i slow to get going with rate rises. But i would say two wrongs dont make a right. So the mpc members should not compound their early errors by driving the uk into a recession with what now i think would be counterproductive rate rises. Okay. Thank you, liam. Good okay. Thank you, liam. Good to see you. Youve been getting in touch at home. This message says my husband and i are both in our 60 as we both work manual jobs and were both self employed. We dont get houday self employed. We dont get holiday sick we dont holiday or sick pay. We dont receive penny in benefits, nor receive a penny in benefits, nor do receive pension. Do we receive a pension. A friend not at all friend who does not work at all receives £2,500 a month in benefits. If work is short for benefits. If work is short for us, we have to consider what we eat. We rarely holiday and said friend goes out regularly , friend goes out regularly, spends a fortune on groceries and cigarettes. Something seems wrong me that we cant get wrong to me that we cant get any they pull in any help while they pull in £55,000 a year. And earlier we talked yeah, and earlier we talked about cost of about the soaring cost of branded 130 in some Branded Products. 130 in some of them. Steve is not happy about this. How can the big brands reduce size and hike the price as well when own brand stayed the same using the same commodities, ripping off britons, you can do a taste test with the kids. Thats what ive done. So you get your normal price here. Branded ketchups mayos. Whatever it is, and then you get the more reasonably priced brands and you blindfold the kids or you put a little bit in a dish, you get them to taste it. And i tell you what, nine times out of ten, they like the cheap one. I give my kids the choice. I just buy the cheap stuff. Im trying to kill the time. Its a long summer holiday, right . Still to come, experts have called for elderly drivers to take driving lessons. To take extra driving lessons. Is goodidea . Is that a good idea . After this. This short thats after this. This short break. Britains Patrick Christys on gb news. Im gb news radio. Gb news radio. Welcome back. Its coming up to 1124. This is britains newsroom with myself, Martin Daubney and bev turner. So elderly drivers are being urged to take refresher courses amid rising safety concerns. Amid rising safety concerns. Data reveals a surge in the number of people contacting authorities about peoples driving abilities. Driving abilities. Seb golding is the ceo of read Driver Training and joins us now. Good morning, seb. I think the bit that disturbed me most about this story is other people dobbing in the elderly to the dvla. That seems like a new the dvla. That seems like a new trend where has that come from . Im really uncomfortable with that. Good morning. Well, its just part of the process at the moment. So once you turn 70, youre driving. License doesnt youre driving. License doesnt renew every ten years as it does before your 70. Once your 70, every third year, you have to self certify that your youve had your eyes checked and youre okay to drive in terms of the red natives or friends, as you say dobbing people in thats just a process where if people are concerned about the driving capability of a friend or more likely a relative, they can write to the dvla or even to the gp and suggest that that person perhaps no longer has the capability to continue driving. So its just part of the process that thats awful in the current well , in the current that thats awful in the current well, in the current model, theres no mandatory age, which, you know, seems about right and people kind of self select so that there will come a moment when you know, a relative , you when you know, a relative, you know, we need to have awkward conversation. And sometimes conversation. And sometimes yeah, i was going to say id like driving is no longer a thing that people could continue to absolutely. Id like to think absolutely. Id like to think that, you know, people have my sort group sit down sort of age group maybe sit down with mum and dad and say, look, you know, it might be to you know, it might be time to hang your wheel hang up your Steering Wheel gloves. But when do you when, when seb like , when is that time . Seb like, its very difficult because the car is a symbol of freedom and independence and going out and having a purpose in the morning. Its driving around the corner for a coffee with your friends. Like when . When should a person have that word with themselves to say , i dont think im to say, i dont think im capable of driving a car safely anymore . Well well, guess this anymore . Well well, guess this is the whole tricky part of it that, you know, its around self awareness and its around need. Awareness and its around need. You know, if you live in an urban area with great public transport, your reliance on the car far less if you car is far less than if you dont. And people could could be in denial when perhaps they have got point where theyre got to the point where theyre their faculties. Got to the point where theyre theirfaculties. No. Got to the point where theyre their faculties. No. Are no longer at the level. I mean, all were suggesting is that as an organiser action that that it educates drivers. Were suggesting that, you know, when you get through the driving test, all that means is that you pass the driving test doesnt mean that youre a safe driver. So our our proposal is that people should continue to consider driving as lifelong learning. You know , driving is learning. You know, driving is a bit odd in that we all think were brilliant drivers. You were brilliant drivers. You know, if you ask anyone think im a great driver. But the reality is that we can always be better at something we can always, you know, its like sport if youre coach, theres there are always things that you can to improve can be coached on to improve your your knowledge skills and capability. And again, you know capability. And again, you know , should there be an age cut off, we dont think so. You know, some some people well people age at very different rates. You can have someone in their early 80s whos far more capable and competent than someone a lot younger. It just very depends on people very much depends on how people do. Do. So when you look at the data , been a huge rise in , there has been a huge rise in the number of concerns. Theres 48,754. Thats an 82 increase in the year before. So were in the year before. So were getting older as a society. We getting older as a society. We therell be more and more elderly drivers. Do you think the direction of travel on this will be compulsory retests for a certain age group down the line . Is that where were heading . Is that where were heading . I dont think so. I mean , i dont think so. I mean, thats thats the suggestion thats thats the suggestion that rumbles through. Again, it is not something that we see in other countries around the world and having a specific age or time that you have to toss your driving licence and just feels plainly wrong based on the differences in how, you know, in peoples capabilities. And our proposal is that people just self select and, you know, brush their skills up, particularly if you if you had a time out of driving as well. You know, even if you dont drive for six weeks or so the first time you get back in the car, youve got to remember what its all about again. So let me tell you what one of our viewers has said. Michelle has got in touch. She said as an older driver, i despair at younger despair at the Younger Generation they generation of drivers. They flaunt the laws. They think speed are targets and speed limits are targets and they the road. Also, they dont read the road. Also, black be in all black boxes should be in all cars standard. A lot of cars as standard. And a lot of young have no concept Young Drivers have no concept of the capabilities in the cars capabilities in different conditions. Different weather conditions. Im with michelle. I know some elderly drivers who are fantastic , tick and read the fantastic, tick and read the road and you see some youngsters driving along one hand on the wheel flicking through their phone at the same time. Its the phone at the same time. Its the youngsters we need to be looking at, isnt it . Not the elderly who take it quite steady often . Who take it quite steady often . The statistics on on well, the statistics on on collisions are that the under 25, particularly male, are the highest cause of collisions on the roads. So yeah, highest cause of collisions on the roads. So yeah, you will always have you know it tends to hit the news when an older driver is involved in an incident and you know that theres some stuff recently about people driving down the you know , methodically following you know, methodically following satnavs rather than actually looking where theyre going. Looking at where theyre going. And thats always going to happen. I think for this happen. But i think for this particular story, our view is that people should self select to to a course to get to just to take a course to get their confidence up. Do a little bit training, just just bit more training, just just improve skills think improve their skills and think about driving as many other things in life. Its something that you just need to get coached on up your skills coached on and up your skills wherever you have the opportunity to. So said, what youre saying if the boy youre saying is if the boy racers are the problem , the old racers are the problem, the old boys and the old girls do do a refresher course and could that actually help us a bit of a safety card . If they if they get a bit if they get if they get a bit of a tug. Hey, hows your drive . Well, actually, ive been a well, actually, ive been on a refresher course. Could that help refresher course. Could that helabsolutely it could. And some absolutely it could. And some insurance will Insurance Companies will actually consider when you actually consider that when you go renewal , if you can go for a renewal, if you can demonstrate taken demonstrate that youve taken some further you some further education, you know, tick in the box. Can i just ask you one quick question . Were up against the clock, but do you think the driving test and lessons are fit for purpose now, now, mean, for purpose now, now, i mean, is there section the test there a section in the test where the driver has to be looking at or a directional looking at waze or a directional navigational driving navigational app whilst driving . To test them . You surely have to test them on do that. On the ability to do that. There is actually. Yeah. So you use of a satnav is part of the test and whats also about to come into the test that we think is brilliant is understanding and use of technology so theres technology in cars. So theres things where the car might suddenly override the driver and do the braking or lane control. So all that stuff is coming in good. You know, theres always a lead and lag between when the Technology Hits and when it does come in test. But if come through in the test. But if you you turn up for a test you when you turn up for a test now, need to be ready to now, you need to be ready to expect answer questions on expect to answer questions on the in your car, the technology in your car, including satnav and including other bits of technology. Other bits of technology. And coming on that then. And its coming on that then. Yeah right. Thank you so much. Seb golding there, of red golding there, ceo of red driving training. Golding there, ceo of red dri\the training. Golding there, ceo of red dri\the thingng. Golding there, ceo of red dri\the thing about that is that the thing about that is that i think i would fail that test and not an old boy, but its and im not an old boy, but its like using a satnav. All i can do is just like, you know, just drive go. Its like you drive and go. Its like you know, what arguing with know, what about arguing with the use a satnav . I can, but but being tested on that at the same time as driving that was all about signal manoeuvre, about mirror signal manoeuvre, get basics, forget get through the basics, forget about the about it, move on. Thats the problem. And problem. You pass your test and maurice, youve maurice, forget what youve passed away. Maurice, forget what youve pasyou away. Maurice, forget what youve pasyou do. Away. Maurice, forget what youve pasyou do. You away. Maurice, forget what youve pasyou do. You do . Y. Maurice, forget what youve pasyou do. You do . Absolutely. You do. You do . Absolutely. But i have to say anything that is motorist pro driver. Is pro motorist and pro driver. Im on board with more power to our elbow. If that means getting a refresher course, then so be our elbow. If that means getting a rnow,|er course, then so be our elbow. If that means getting a rnow, still urse, then so be our elbow. If that means getting a rnow, still to se, then so be our elbow. If that means getting a rnow, still to come,n so be our elbow. If that means getting a rnow, still to come, its� be it. Now, still to come, its starmer versus khan. As the two politicians clash over the ulez scheme, of that scheme, bringing more of that very soon. Britains newsroom on yours, britains newsroom on. Gb news. Good morning. Its 1132. Gb news. Good morning. Its1132. Im paul hawkins in the gb newsroom. We start with some breaking news. Norfolk and Suffolk Police have admitted that personal information of 1230 people, including victims of crime and witnesses , was included witnesses, was included erroneously in freedom of information responses. Both information responses. Both forces have attributed it to a technical issue. British technical issue. 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Thats what dry and increasingly build in from the west. Thats what dry and sunny easingly build in from the west. Thats what dry and sunny weather fine, dry and sunny weather across country. A few across the country. Still a few showers the northeast, showers towards the northeast, closer of closer to that area of low pressure, though. A pressure, though. Heres a picture. Tuesday picture. Then through tuesday evening and overnight. Then as you a lot of places you can see, a lot of places will dry overnight. Still will be dry overnight. Still a few across parts of few showers across parts of scotland, england. Few showers across parts of scotla tending england. Few showers across parts of scotla tending to england. Few showers across parts of scotla tending to fade|gland. Few showers across parts of scotla tending to fade awayi. We these tending to fade away as we head through the night. And actually england, actually for much of england, wales, ireland, we will wales, Northern Ireland, we will see clear skies see largely clear skies developing overnight and that will lead to one or miss 1 or 2 mist patches and also mist and fog patches and also turning fairly chilly as well in some spots. But towns turning fairly chilly as well in som cities, spots. But towns turning fairly chilly as well in som cities, temperatures towns turning fairly chilly as well in som cities, temperatures holding and cities, temperatures holding up 10 13 degrees. Is your up 10 to 13 degrees. Is your overnight lows. So under those clear got to clear skies, we got off to a pretty fine start for much of the first on the Country First thing on wednesday morning. Lot of wednesday morning. A lot of sunshine, across sunshine, particularly across england, wales, Northern Ireland. More cloud, though, continuing to affect parts of scotland gain 1 or 2 scotland with a gain 1 or 2 showers and for much of showers and actually for much of the most places will be the day, most places will be dry. Like still the risk dry. Like i said, still the risk of an isolated shower across england and still further england and wales, still further showers parts of showers affecting parts of scotland, but scotland, northeast england. But most places will be dry fine and warm as well. 26 degrees there for low 20s for scotland for london. Low 20s for scotland and ireland. Look and Northern Ireland. We look ahead then again, ahead into thursday, then again, that theme looks set that largely dry theme looks set to with skies for to continue with clear skies for many some sunshine many areas, some sunshine particularly the west particularly towards the west and a bit more and the north west. A bit more cloud the coast. Cloud towards the east coast. But again that sunshine, but again in that sunshine, feeling warmer still as feeling warm, warmer still as we head into friday. But with that, an showers an increasing risk of showers and feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on this evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel peoples. Channel welcome back. Its 1143. Youre with britains newsroom on gb news with myself. Martin dalby and bev turner. So carshalton is the latest town to protest the upcoming ultra low emission zone expansion on the 29th of august. Wheres carshalton . Remind me. Wheres carshalton . Remind me. Its south east london. I used to play football there in the shorts and floodlit the coal shorts and floodlit league. I terrible. Anyway, league. I was terrible. Anyway, where south east where is it . Its south east london. South london . London. Oh, is it south london . Yeah, yeah. Near yeah, yeah, yeah. Its near sutton. Yeah, played in the sutton. Yeah, ive played in the sutton. Yeah, ive played in the sutton of floodlit Sutton Forest of floodlit football league. Thats a mouthful. Comes as labour mouthful. This comes as labour leader starmer revealed leader sir keir starmer revealed clean were now tory clean air zones were now tory policy. Tell that to sadiq khan policy. Tell that to sadiq khan and vowed to ditch commitment to clean air zones across the country following uxbridge country following the uxbridge and by election and uxbridge by election backlash. So our london reporter lisa hartle is in carshalton for us this morning. Good morning, lisa. A bit of a u turn here from keir starmer. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Well, here, because theres going to be a protest, an anti ulez protest taking place from 12 00. So obviously two weeks today that ulez expansion is going to go out across greater london. So basically everywhere within the m25 and here at carshalton, the local mp did launch a petition and hes had 7500 people sign that petition against this expansion. Weve against this expansion. Weve been talking to some of the people who live around here to see what they have to say, that if you drive in these areas in two weeks or beyond and you dont a compliant car, you dont have a compliant car, you could charged £12. 50 a day. Could be charged £12. 50 a day. That amount to over £4,000 that could amount to over £4,000 a year. For someone who regularly uses their car. Lets have a look what the some of have a look at what the some of the local people had to say to us. Us. Im not a driver, but there is a lot of traffic in this bit of car shorten by the ponds, but if i was a driver with the cost of living crisis at the moment, i would totally disagree with it. I should thinking theres. I should be thinking theres another way , say that could another way, say that you could get more money rather than taxing everyone who isnt , you taxing everyone who isnt, you know, a driver. I agree with it. I agree with it. I agree with it. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. Yeah, i do agree with it. I think, you know, we need to do something to clean up the air andifs something to clean up the air and its a good way of doing it. So, yeah , totally agree. So, yeah, totally agree. I dont know if its legal or not, but to pay £12, 50 to afford it and just come in, how is that going to reduce. The is that going to reduce. The pollution or anything else . Its just a question , i think, of just a question, i think, of raising money and i dont know what hes going to do with it, but im sure it wont be good. But im sure it wont be good. Well, of course, the mayor of london has said that despite all of the opposition against this ulez is vital for clean air, which he says affects thousands of londoners every year. He said that hes announced a scrappage scheme to try and help people with that. And so it looks two with that. And so it looks two weeks today is when it will all roll out. Thank you. Roll out. Thank you. Lisa lisa hartle there in carshalton , which i now know carshalton, which i now know where it is. I thought carshalton was up north. No, no, no, no, no. Its just past wandsworth out that way. Used go way on my used to go that way on my motorbike. And if i ever wants to play five a side football, i now know where go. Now know where to go. Yes, right. Us back yes, right. Joining us back in studio, nigel nelson, gb in the studio, nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator and emma wolfe, author journalist. Right. Author and journalist. Right. First talk first of all, lets just talk about the scheme. Emma the about the ulez scheme. Emma the expansion, saying expansion, when lisa is saying weve got to people have got two weeks basically upgrade their weeks to basically upgrade their car some people that will car for some people that will mean not going out to work in the morning. If youve got an old van, that will mean, yeah, if old banger, if if youve got an old banger, if youve got a white van, man, if youve got a white van, man, if you cant afford to, if youve got working got a car thats working perfectly well but doesnt meet the criteria and this is what i really object to, quite apart from fact that ulez low from the fact that ulez and low traffic neighbourhoods the traffic neighbourhoods push the problem dont problem somewhere else and dont actually seen actually work, weve seen research ulez research that shows ulez is going a minimal effect going to have a minimal effect on but also the going to have a minimal effect on that but also the going to have a minimal effect on that theresut also the going to have a minimal effect on that theres so also the going to have a minimal effect on that theres so much|e going to have a minimal effect on that theres so much waste involved. So many people like my mother, for example, who cant afford to replace her car. But its its decent car. It its a its a decent car. It works. Are you going do, works. What are you going to do, throw it and buy a new one . Throw it away and buy a new one . Where where do all those go . Yeah. And people in these areas as well. Nigel will be being held to ransom by second hand know hand car salesmen who know theyve their theyve got to upgrade their car. Stick couple of car. Yeah. Stick a couple of thousand on the top of thousand pounds on the top of it. Sadiq khan is going to pay for it out of taxpayer money. I mean, im. Im in favour of ulez in principle. Its worked. It in the air it worked in a london in the air quality is much better in the cyclist. Nigel you cycling nigel if you were cycling around wouldnt around london, you wouldnt agree around london, you wouldnt angell, youre right. I wont well, youre right. I wont be cycling around london. But the think it actually the but i think it was actually introduced, introduced in the wrong way. So what he wrong sort of way. So what he should have done not put should have done is not put a 1250 charge on put a graduate charge of £2, 50 and charge of say, £2, 50 and gradually increase it. And when gradually increase it. And when it came to outside london that the counties that surround london, people who will be affected by it, like a nurse who works, who say he lives in kent, works, who say he lives in kent, works in a london in a london hospital, they should then be included in the scrappage scheme and reason why you and theres no reason why you couldnt done it. Done it couldnt have done it. Done it in a much more gentle way. Yeah, wouldnt yeah, well, that wouldnt make money, would it . Make so much money, would it . Will also hammer yeah. It will also hammer people, by the way. And make sure listen to this. If sure you listen to this. If youre flying from heathrow sure you listen to this. If youre1and; from heathrow sure you listen to this. If youre1and; from driving w sure you listen to this. If youre1and; from driving to airport and youre driving to heathrow outside Heathrow Airport from outside and you be getting hammered and you will be getting hammered by £12. 5, you by ulez £12. 5, make sure you check get check online. Dont get clobbered a fine. You get clobbered with a fine. You get back magaluf wherever back from magaluf wherever youre fine your youre going. £60 fine on your doormat. That be doormat. That would be a nightmare come home to. Nightmare thing to come home to. You check. Lets you make sure you check. Lets move now. Talk about flying. Move on now. Talk about flying. Talking of flying. You read my mind there. Yeah. Ryanair this this of story makes this is this kind of story makes my emma is my blood boil. Emma so this is a couple went to the airport. Couple who went to the airport. Elderly is actually elderly couple. He is actually partly disabled, i believe. And theyd printed off the wrong boarding passes. So what did boarding passes. So what did ryanair do . So this is a story thats gone viral. People are really angry about it. They printed off their return boarding so they return boarding card. So they did they downloaded the did try. They downloaded the return than return boarding card rather than the bound. Got to the outward bound. One. Got to the outward bound. One. Got to the got got to ryanair, the gate, got got to ryanair, got whatever check in, got to the whatever check in, and that they to and were told that they had to pay and were told that they had to pay £110. I think its £55 per boarding card to have them printed out at the airport. This is a couple in their 70s and 80s. As you say, the man has is as has i think has a disability. He its an elderly couple and its their daughter who has tweeted about this. 13,000 people have retweeted it, 130,000 have liked the tweet. People are saying shame on you, ryanair. I think its true. I know a woman, a mum who whose toddler, she had to print it out at the airport, £55 for a toddlers. Its disgusting boarding card. And as anybody knows, nigel, theres nothing more stressful than aeroplane. Than getting on an aeroplane. You have be you dont want to have to be fighting with your printer at the time, which in and of the same time, which in and of itself is one of the most stressful anybodys. Itself is one of the most stre i sful anybodys. Itself is one of the most strei mean, anybodys. Itself is one of the most strei mean, what anybodys. Itself is one of the most strei mean, what ryanair bodys. Itself is one of the most strei mean, what ryanair sayys. Itself is one of the most strei mean, what ryanair say is. I mean, what ryanair say is that meant to check that youre meant to check in onune that youre meant to check in online you this is online before you go. This is obviously what didnt happen in this case. Theres a penalty if you dont do that. You if you dont do that. However, the penalty i think, is emma says just far too emma says its just far too high. Is ridiculous per high. £110. £5 is ridiculous per person. Some sort person. If there was some sort of like a tenner or of penalty like a tenner or Something Like that, i think there be understandable. There would be understandable. All always be all in this always be the choice. T t im fine. Move with technology. If it helps make these more airline. If youre youre really if youre if youre really cutting your cost down you cutting your cost down and you want fly really cheaply want to fly fly really cheaply early, i understand that early, then i understand that that if you interfere with that system, there would be an extra cost. So i get that bit. This seems too much. And shouldnt ryanair now having been exposed for this refund the money . Well, the if they if they refund this one, couple, theyll have to change their entire policy. I wonder how many people out been stung this out there have been stung this way. When start way. I wonder when theyll start charging to the toilet. Charging to go to the toilet. When they charge you for everything, they get close. Theyre close to that theyre getting close to that kind actually nigel, kind of thing. Actually nigel, even £10 print a piece of even £10 to print a piece of papehi even £10 to print a piece of paper. I dont have a printer. My printer packed up few years my printer packed up a few years ago. Dont have printer. Ago. I dont have a printer. There are people. What there are lots of people. What im worried about is the increasing marginalisation of people arent online, people who maybe arent online, dont printers, whatever dont have printers, whatever this dont this is, elderly, dont have a smartphone, poorer people, people who dont have smartphones out smartphones are just pushed out of there are all of our society. There are all sorts deals. Cant pay sorts of deals. They cant pay their bills online. Their electricity bills online. There sorts of things in there are all sorts of things in our society. Now, if youre not online, if you dont have a you know, is just another example. Youre familyof example. Youre family of five, if youre a family of five, you imagine two parents, you can imagine two parents, three kids. You to the three kids. You get to the airport. Its stressful enough who do we check . Who checks in . Do we check . Yeah, online paper. And yeah, we check online paper. And you kind of presume and you just kind of presume and often the instructions for often these the instructions for these ridiculously these things are ridiculously confusing. And then youve got to pay £55 times five. Do the maths for me. Yeah. 250 plus 70. Yeah. 250 plus 70. Well its a lot of money. Well its a lot of money. 5 to £5. We all fell silent. Right. Anyway makes my blood boil. This is a great story. You picked out the rise in britains one child families. Im assuming thats because kids are so blooming expensive. Yeah, its increasing well, yeah, its increasing numbers of parents the numbers of parents making the decision. The heartbreaking decision, according to the. I think its a good thing. Heartbreaking decision to only have child. So its this have one child. So its this kind of and done thing. Kind of one and done thing. Thats call one and done. Do you have one child . Do you have one child . I have one. And i always thought i went through a kind of grieving process about not having because having another baby because mine. Turned three mine. 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For full time nursery london for my child, nursery in london for my child, £14,000. Thats a real problem. Its. Its. Its. Its the. The child care that goes with it. My daughter had her first our first child back in september. But they twins. So shes but they were twins. So shes facing costs of facing Childcare Costs of £30,000 now. Both her and her husband work. But even so , husband work. But even so, 30,000 out of the budget is an awful lot. Some i happily have the twins in here. Its a really interesting chat this because because when i had my first child 14 years ago not me when the missus did, i didnt want a second child at first because it was so expensive. And i was self employed at the time. Exactly as youre saying. I didnt have something to something in because i was so broke and i just delayed and delayed and delayed. And then the missus wanted the missus really wanted a second wanted second child, wanted a companion. Ive got siblings. Second child, wanted a com has on. Ive got siblings. Second child, wanted a com has a]. Ive got siblings. Second child, wanted a com has a sibling. Yt siblings. Second child, wanted a com has a sibling. We blings. Second child, wanted a com has a sibling. We didgs. Second child, wanted a com has a sibling. We did it. I she has a sibling. We did it. I was terrified. Im so glad we did it. Yes, but im so glad. And its hard bringing up an only child he doesnt have child because he doesnt have anyone know , its anyone to play. You know, its actually harder. Is, think, actually harder. It is, i think, 2 probably once you get 2 or 3 is probably once you get through couple of through the first couple of years cost of it all is years and the cost of it all is probably easier. Yeah. Okay moving on. Yeah. Okay moving on. So being young issues to so from being young issues to older issues, pension is older issues, state pension is going increase by 7 in 2024. Going to increase by 7 in 2024. Nigel number ten is actually pledged to honour this triple lock. Yeah, but how long for . I can see the triple lock disappearing. I just cant see any way its going to carry on by 2025 that we are talking about pensions will cost the same as police, defence and education combined. So i think theres going to were going to come a time i know its unpopular, but theres going to come a time where theyll get rid of the triple lock. Probably the one to go ought to be, in fairness to pensioners, the 2. 5 guarantee used used guarantee thats been used used four times over the last ten years and so you just do it on earnings or inflation, whichever is the higher. And i wonder if the age of pension will be pushed up. So high that by the time im a pensioner, ill drop that before i it. I get it. Well, thats the thats the other that weve known well, thats the thats the other an that weve known well, thats the thats the other an ageingweve known well, thats the thats the other an ageing populationn well, thats the thats the other an ageing population for about an ageing population for the years, what they the last 50 years, what they should have been doing is gradually increasing pension gradually increasing the pension age, a year, rather age, say a month, a year, rather than it all in one go. So an than do it all in one go. So an awful lot of women, women in their 50s suddenly realised that, oh, were not going to actually any money. So we actually get any money. So we fail to prepare for it because it wasnt an immediate problem. But isnt that the same . Thats on a macro level. But isnt that the same . Thats on a macro level. But even micro level, emma, we even on a micro level, emma, we can fail to prepare for our pension years. Its one of those things suddenly as nigel things that suddenly as nigel says, us we says, its upon us and we havent planned for and life havent planned for it and life goes quickly. People are not at the i mean people are not at the moment able to save for their pension, young people pension, you know, young people are how can are talking about how they can even afford buy place even afford to buy a place to live and live with their live and not live with their parents their well. Parents into their well. Can also buy less they can also buy less deliveroo and uber eats well. Thats what i always say. I honestly, theres honestly, i do think theres something young, something about educating young, younger people £5 a day on younger people that £5 a day on sandwiches and this that and sandwiches and this and that and your phone and this and your mobile phone and this and that you know, that adds up to you know, savings. But thats not savings. Yeah, but thats not its the curriculum. Its never on the curriculum. A childs its nowhere in a childs education unless the parents are talking to about not talking to them about not developing credit, not spending beyond your means. And yet theres a culture now, isnt there . Want just there . If you want it, you just buy it. Wm b w 100. And b. 00. And yeah, 100. And that is just quickly that previous quickly back to that previous thought about depending on cheap labouh thought about depending on cheap labour, also be a part labour, this will also be a part of the social care conundrum. Of the social care conundrum. Thats right. We will be entirely dependent much entirely dependent so much coming the line with with coming down the line with with with population, you with an ageing population, you know with an ageing population, you knoabsolutely. With an ageing population, you knowhosrtely. With an ageing population, you knowhos going care of whos going to take care of us wipe out nether regions us and wipe out nether regions and changes and were going to were need so much were going to need so much labour and much cheap labour. Labour and so much cheap labour. I see a way out of this i i cant see a way out of this bind. Nigel, we cant come back to your, your mics conked out, im afraid. But youve been awesome. No, anyway you awesome. No, no, no. Anyway you were emma. Were saying emma. No, i was saying. Well i was just thinking it would be a brave government who will actually scrap the triple lock because that will be a massively massive unpopular policy. I massive, unpopular policy. I dont know whether nigel thinks anyone enough do that. You can just wave at us, will nigel mine, right. Thank you both, emma and thank both, emma and nigel. And thank you, been lovely again. Its been fabulous. Thank you very much. Are done today. That we are done for today. 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Hello much of the uk are enjoying some pretty fine weather this week with lots of sunshine around. Yes, there will be a few showers here and there, but most places will be dry and feeling warm in that sunshine as well. Look the pressure well. We look at the pressure pattern, you can see high pattern, then you can see High Pressure continuing pressure really continuing to build west. Thats build in from the west. Thats whats bringing increasingly fine, weather fine, dry and sunny weather across the country. Still few across the country. Still a few showers towards north east, showers towards the north east, closer of low closer to that area of low pressure, though. Heres a picture. Through tuesday picture. Then through tuesday evening as evening and overnight, then as you see, lot of places you can see, a lot of places will dry overnight. Still a will be dry overnight. Still a few showers parts of few showers across parts of scotland, northeast england. These away as these tending to fade away as we head night. Head through the night. And actually of england, actually for much of england, wales, ireland, we will wales, Northern Ireland, we will see largely clear skies developing and that developing overnight and that will 1 or 2 will lead to one or miss 1 or 2 mist fog patches and also mist and fog patches and also turning fairly chilly as well in some rural but towns some rural spots. But in towns and cities, temperatures holding up is up 10 to 13 degrees. Is your overnight under those overnight lows. So under those clear skies, we get off to a pretty fine start for much of the Country First thing on wednesday of wednesday morning. A lot of sunshine, particularly across england, northern sunshine, particularly across england more northern sunshine, particularly across england more nonthough, ireland. More cloud, though, continuing of continuing to affect parts of scotland 1 or scotland with a gain 1 or 2 showers and actually for much of the day, places will be the day, most places will be dry. Like i said, still the risk of an isolated shower across england wales, still further england and wales, still further showers parts showers affecting parts of scotland, england. Scotland, northeast england. But most be fine and most places will be dry fine and warm as well. Degrees there warm as well. 26 degrees there for 20s for scotland for london, low 20s for scotland and ireland. Look and Northern Ireland. Well look ahead again, ahead into thursday. Then again, that looks set that largely dry theme looks set to clear skies for to continue with clear skies for many some sunshine many areas, some sunshine particularly west particularly towards the west and north west bit more and the north west a bit more cloud the east coast. And the north west a bit more clouagain the east coast. And the north west a bit more clouagain in the east coast. And the north west a bit more clouagain in thate east coast. And the north west a bit more clou again in that sunshine st. But again in that Sunshine Feeling warm, still as feeling warm, warmer, still as we head into friday. But with that, an increasing risk of showers thunderstorms the showers and thunderstorms as the temperatures showers and thunderstorms as the temperature sponsors of weather solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good afternoon. It is midday and you are watching the live desk here on gb news news with p1p desk here on gb news news with pip thompson and tom harwood coming up this tuesday lunchtime i donald trump is charged again, this time over election interference in the state of georgia. He now faces 89 georgia. He now faces 89 criminal charges. Could these criminal charges. 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