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Story reveals is that we are clouded in distraction from the long term solution. Rwanda speaking of the home office, new figures have shown that almost half of all crimes solved by the police do not result in charges. The question of law and order repeatedly crops up in the news. But who better to have with me live in my house than the avon and Somerset Police and crime commissioner shelford. 7 the commissioner mark shelford. 7 the ever looming threat of china and its brutal communist regime remains at the forefront of the uks security concerns as it emerged over the weekend. Ministers have warned that the ccp could use chinese electric cars to spy on you on british citizens. Plus are we headed towards a Cashless Society . Well, just when you thought natwest couldnt have emerged damaged its reputation anymore, it has decided to introduce new limitations on cash withdrawals. Could it be time natwest hired a new Public Relations department to and stay tuned for tomorrow because ill be taking you on a house tour. Better, cheaper and less woke than the National Trust. Everything from the cider cellar long gallery that cellar to the long gallery that was used as a recuperation ward dunng was used as a recuperation ward during first world war. So during the first world war. So welcome harptree. Welcome to West Harptree. Welcome godsend county. No, welcome to godsend county. No, not somerset. Not yorkshire, but somerset. State of the nation starts now. State of the nation starts now. Also ill be joined by the mighty former member of the european parliament, stanley johnson. As my trusted somerset flabellum holder. As ever, i want to hear from you. Its the most important part of the programme. Me. Mail programme. Email me. Mail mageenews. Com. But its time mageenews. Com. But now its time for the news of the day with polly middlehurst. Polly middlehurst. Jacob thank you and good evening. Well, we begin with the news that police and Emergency Services are responding to an ongoing incident in glasgow after the discovery of potentially hazardous substances. This incident is taking place at a flat in altyre street in shettleston one. Local residents, we understand , have residents, we understand, have been evacuated as a precaution. Been evacuated as a precaution. An and were also being told members of the public have been asked to avoid the area. That breaking news into us just a short time ago. Well bring you more on that as soon as we get it. Well, in other news today, a grand total of 15 migrants boarded the bibby stockholm barge today , a vessel which is barge today, a vessel which is capable of holding 500 people. Its being reported that 20 others refused through their lawyers to get on board who cancelled their transfer papers. Can campaigners say the vessel is a safety risk . But cheryl avery , whos the director of avery, whos the director of asylum accommodation , says all asylum accommodation, says all the safety issues have been addressed with regards to security and safety. Security and safety. Its of absolute paramount importance to us as the home office. Anybody in our care needs to be looked after well. So weve gone through and made sure that were working really closely dorset fire and closely with dorset fire and safety and fire and rescue apologies. And we have worked apologies. And we have worked with the local authorities as well to make sure that the safety of all individuals on site is of paramount importance i well, a Senior Source has told gb news today that any plans to send Asylum Seekers to Ascension Island in the south, atlanta for processing is pie in the sky and unachievable. The the sky and unachievable. The source also told us the plans were already considered and dismissed by both Boris Johnson and the former home secretary priti patel, as completely unworkable. The island is a unworkable. The island is a british overseas territory located about 4000 miles away and businesses and landlords who knowingly support Illegal Migrants will face increased fines from next year under new government plans. Bosses who employ Asylum Seekers could see penalties of up to £60,000 per breach. Thats triple the current amount the Prime Minister also says hes increased police raids by 50 to help clamp down on illegal workers. And sport. The workers. And sport. The lionesses have secured a place in the quarterfinals of the womens world cup after a dramatic , dramatic, rather dramatic, dramatic, rather penalty shootout win over nigeria. England scored four nigeria. England scored four goals while nigeria netted only two following the 123 minute match. Chloe kelly scoring the winning goal following other successful shots from beth england and rachel daly and alex greenwood. Lauren james was sent off during the match for stamping on one of the nigerian players. Well, the team will players. Well, the team will face eitherjamaica players. Well, the team will face either jamaica or colombia in the quarterfinals on saturday. Youre with gb news across the uk on your television, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now, though , lets go back to now, though, lets go back to somerset and Jacob Rees Mogg. Somerset and Jacob Rees Mogg. Today the home Office Confirmed that the much delayed and long awaited bibby stockholm barge began taking migrants on board as part of the scheme to house those who crossed the channel while they wait for their asylum applications to be processed. But that wasnt all. Processed. But that wasnt all. Over the weekend , it was over the weekend, it was reported ministers have reported that ministers have resurrected an old, plans resurrected an old, dusty plans that could potentially see offshore processing take offshore asylum processing take place on britains overseas territory of the Ascension Island, 4000 miles from the uk in the south atlantic. Indeed, this along with other rumours of negotiations with five other african countries for rwanda style schemes, are part of contingency plans. Apparently if the rwanda plan fails. But this is precisely the point rwanda has to succeed. All these other has to succeed. All these other points are distractions. The points are distractions. The bibby stockholm barge holds no more than 500 migrants last yean more than 500 migrants last year, nearly 50,000 migrants crossed the channel. So the bibby stockholm barge solves about 1 of last years crossings. Similarly, with the crossings. Similarly, with the proposals for using Ascension Island to conduct offshore processing, this wont really answer the problem. I remember answer the problem. I remember the discussions about the Ascension Islands when i was still in the government and it would cost about £1 million per migrant a Ascension Island is little more than a us air base. There is practically no infrastructure on the island, so it would have to pay for a long list of costs. We would have to build homes for the builders who would build the processing facility the places for the facility and the places for the migrants to go. It would be a question of whos taking care of the caretakers daughter whilst the caretakers daughter whilst the busy taking the caretaker is busy taking care. Wed have to for their care. Wed have to pay for their meals, have to be meals, which would have to be flown from abroad. It all flown in from abroad. It all have to transported. Its too have to be transported. Its too expensive its not feasible. Expensive and its not feasible. Similarly about similarly with the rumours about rwanda other rwanda style deals with other african countries , there would african countries, there would be legal challenges be similar legal challenges causing further delay. So in other words, the bibby stockholm barge, Ascension Island. Other third countries are all distract us. What they demonstrate is that the rwanda plan must work. It is the only one single viable solution to the migrant crisis. Why why . Because it provides a deterrent which should reduce the numbers coming illegally into the united kingdom. So all into the united kingdom. So all eyes should gloss over ascension, bibby stockholm or other third countries and focus on fourth coming Supreme Court showdown between the government and the court of appeals. Its essentially who rules you , you essentially who rules you, you or the lawyers. But of course , i or the lawyers. But of course, i want to know your thoughts. Dont forget to let me know what you think. Mail mog at gbnews. Com. But im delighted to be joined now by gb news senior commentator nigel nelson. Nigel, thank you for coming on and im sorry youre not in somerset, but we cant all have everything. Do you agree with me that rwanda is really the only game in town and that other things are a distraction . Are a distraction . No, i think that that rwanda is just another gimmick in the same way that bibby stockholm is, as you pointed out, that that the barge will only solve a very small part of the problem. Very small part of the problem. And i think the same thing appues and i think the same thing applies to rwanda. The youve mentioned the cost of this bonkers idea of Ascension Island, over £1 million. I mean, its never going to happen. We know that. But the same thing appues know that. But the same thing applies to rwanda. Its terribly expensive if youre talking about around about £600,000 per Asylum Seeker , you said in there Asylum Seeker, you said in there and we could keep that Asylum Seeker in a hotel for 12 years for that kind of money. But the advantage of rwanda is that its a deterrent. And weve seen this, havent we, with albania, that once we started sending the albanians back to albania, the albanians stopped coming. And therefore, if people get here and theyre quickly removed , the fact that quickly removed, the fact that its expensive , but not nothing its expensive, but not nothing like expensive as the like as expensive as the Ascension Island becomes a deterrent, stops the Business Plan of the wicked people, traffickers and begins to get control of our borders. Well, is it a deterrent . I well, is it a deterrent . I mean, when Suella Braverman went there, she said it was so wonderful. She was thinking of incorporating the same day corps incorporating the same day corps in own home. So i wonder how in her own home. So i wonder how much of a deterrent that will be. Obviously, it will be down whether people think they whether or not people think they will there in the will ever get sent there in the first but it comes first place. But what it comes down albania, i think youve down to albania, i think youve actually got part of the solution the problem in that solution to the problem in that the number of albanians coming over on small boats has gone down by 90, thanks to a returns agreement with albania. What the agreement with albania. What the government should be concentrating on is getting similar returns. Agreements with other European Countries that we ended up losing through brexit. Well we didnt lose them through brexit as you know that the dubun brexit as you know that the dublin agreement never got an effect in terms of sending people back to eu countries is because they wanted to share out the migrants. What we really need is to get them back to the countries that they came from or if theyre not safe, get a security safe, to get a security somewhere else. And thats where somewhere else. And thats where rwanda is helpful because they can be processed and then even if theyre shown to be at risk, they can come to another country i yeah, the question is how you get get there. I mean, the government keeps talking about these sort of safe and legal routes, but none of these actually exist as far as coming here and with with rwanda once once your Asylum Seeker has got to rwanda , theyre not going got to rwanda, theyre not going to go anywhere else. To go anywhere else. Well, then that solves the problem because theyre not coming here and people wont want to go to rwanda so much. I mean, i think your point about the home secretary saying its so marvellous, everyone will want there probably isnt want to go there probably isnt true want to come true because they want to come to the kingdom. Thats to the united kingdom. Thats the to our the draw is coming to our country. And that processing country. We and that processing there is really important because weve seen recently in the daily mail serious allegations of solicitors is pepping up allegations of solicitors is pepping up sexing up you might say applications to try and get people through the system improperly. Improperly. We well, i think the solicitors were doing worse than that and what they were trying to do was train people to lie on their applications and is quite right. We clamped down on that. Those lawyers who were discovered doing that should certainly be struck off and the government are now talking about jailing them. And i think thats absolutely right. I mean, no one can defend that kind of thing. Can defend that kind of thing. The point really is that why is the government not actually doing something to really, really stop the draw of the engush really stop the draw of the English Channel . What we need, obviously, is the returns agreement. We need the backlog, agreement. We need the backlog, 173,000 asylum claims at the moment still pending. We need that dealt with with more caseworkers and we need to change the system where people have to apply for asylum on british soil. Have to apply for asylum on british soil. And thats the british soil. And thats the biggest draw of all, all for the small boat crossings. Yes. Thank small boat crossings. Yes. Thank you, nigel. As always, a pleasure talking to you. But with me here now is the great stanley johnson, who was in Ascension Island recently and youre wearing your Falkland Islands tie. Islands tie. Well, i am. What you do is you catch you go to brize you catch them, you go to brize norton , long flight, not in norton, a long flight, not in comet, but something something more modern than that. If youre more modern than that. If youre really lucky, you fly on to the falklands. Well, i didnt hear the whole real conversation with with nigel for technical reasons like im not wired in, but i would say that i would agree with you. I dont think ascension a is a go. Its not ascension is a is a go. Its not ascension is a is a go. Its not a go. When i went down, there was look at the turtles and was for look at the turtles and the the albatross and above the and the albatross and above all, to try and lobby, quote unquote, the people in the centre to say the idea of a no take zone, a wonderful Marine Protection area, is exactly what we need. And ive got to say, the government and ive got to say zac goldsmith, our old friend zac, pushed very hard, and that is there is now a Marine Protection area around ascension. So, yes, it has fantastic protective function, but i dont think its going to be for the immigrants and i dont think theres any point throwing the falklands into the into that, katie, because i think may might push think they may that might push the to say, the Falkland Islands to say, well, we should be well, maybe we should be malvinas after all. Well, i think the Falkland Islands council they dont council has said that they dont want it. Want to do it. There is a democracy in and there is a democracy in the falklands. I essentially youre i think essentially youre not none of not allowed to vote. None of those 900 people have have a right to vote for reasons i cant remember now. But thats where it is. Theyre not really well, theyre not really permanent are they . Well, theyre not really perman mainly are they . Well, theyre not really perman mainly service|re they . Theyre mainly Service Personnel. Youre a personnel. And if youre a turtle a seagull a fulmar, turtle or a seagull or a fulmar, you certainly have permanent you can certainly have permanent residence ascension wont residence. So ascension wont work. You think rwanda work. Do you think rwanda is a workable. Workable. Ive not been to rwanda, so i dont like particularly to talk about places ive not been to. But i think i would agree with you that i think is you that i think this is probably the last you know, the best necessarily the best hope, not necessarily the last our current last best hope, but our current current best hope. And i was very taken, for example, by what alexander said Alexander Downer said this afternoon nauru. He really afternoon about nauru. He really went through arguments very went through the arguments very carefully. We did here carefully. And what we did here with ascension was to take sorry, not with ascension with rwanda, nauru , rwanda, was to take the nauru, the nauru model. And it turned out months there out that within months there immigration went a trickle. Immigration went to a trickle. That must be right, wasnt it, that australia showed this can be done . Its not an unsolvable insoluble problem unsolvable and insoluble problem , its one can be dealt , its one that can be dealt with. But youve got be quite with. But youve got to be quite tough. Its right to be tough. But its right to be tough. But its right to be tough because dealing tough because youre dealing with very wicked people. Traffickers who enormous traffickers who make an enormous fortune from peddling in other peoples misery. I agree with all that. What i agree with all that. What have you got to be careful is not to think and not to say to not to think and not to say to not behave as though all these migrants were were were criminals. Weve got to be careful that people dont look at this barge as some kind of napoleonic. Do you remember the hulk . The hulk . Well i dont remember them, but ive learnt about them from history. Yes, i think absolutely right, think youre absolutely right, because one of the things one should remember is that should always remember is that the who making the individual who is making this actually quite this journey is actually quite a courageous, motivated person , courageous, motivated person, and one should never forget the quality of the individual. Nonetheless from the point of view of the uk public policy, we cannot accept the numbers that are coming and therefore we have to have a response to it. Donnas point and your point is actually what we are trying to do now is to deter the criminal gangs who are doing this. And when they realise there is no money in this, they will stop very, very quickly. And thats what its all about, isnt it . Its the money in it. And its why why the migrants are almost invariably young men, because theyre the ones, family devote their ones, the family devote their savings as to sending over because theyre the ones who can then have the best chance of making a living bully for them. If i think weve been talking about dorset, we talked about about dorset, we talked about about poole and portland. Well, my grandmother arrived as a refugee from turkey. Her husband was a very senior politician and he said its not safe to be here. You go to england. She was pregnant. She was nine months pregnant. She was nine months pregnant. She was nine months pregnant. She died in childbirth in bournemouth. My father was brought up in bournemouth, but you say i am the son now, you could say i am the son now, the grandson of a of an immigrant in that sort of way. She he was my father was an immigrant in utero. Since you immigrant in utero. Since you talked about, was it a flabellum . Yes. Okay. Well, im going to try in utero in utero. Well, our listeners and viewers know all these terms. Theyre so used to talking to your son, they mainly converse in latin at home after dinner. But im afraid that brings us happily to the conclusion of this. Thank you, this segment. But thank you, stanley. Let me stanley. Dont forget to let me know think. Male know what you think. Male mortgage up, know what you think. Male mo beige up, know what you think. Male mo be asking up, know what you think. Male mo be asking the up, know what you think. Male mo be asking the avon up, know what you think. Male mo be asking the avon and up, ill be asking the avon and Somerset Police crime Somerset Police and crime commissioner how deals with commissioner how he deals with crime plus are we crime in somerset. Plus are we headed for a Cashless Society . Headed for a Cashless Society . Welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts, steve says jacob, if Ascension Island is no good, what about somerset . Well, the thing is, if we move them somerset, we move them to somerset, everyone we everyone would come here. We would never end the migration problem. Wed be overwhelmed. Problem. Wed be overwhelmed. David says it is achievable. David says it is achievable. Send Illegal Immigrants to the Ascension Island , put them in Ascension Island, put them up in tents. Our military have to live in tents many times during their service. I, a veteran, service. I, being a veteran, have to live in tent in have had to live in a tent in yemen, germany , and even in yemen, in germany, and even in scotland on winter training. Surely for our surely that is good for our service is equally Service Personnel is equally good Illegal Immigrants. Service personnel is equally gooasylum Illegal Immigrants. Service personnel is equally goo Asylum Seekers. Mmigrants. Service personnel is equally goo Asylum Seekers. Should nts. Service personnel is equally goo Asylum Seekers. Should its. All Asylum Seekers. Should it would country a lot of would save our country a lot of money. I dont agree, im afraid. I just dont think is afraid. I just dont think it is practical. Even you put them practical. Even if you put them in tents because you still have to have food and medical support and so and just doesnt and so on, and that just doesnt exist Ascension Island exist out in Ascension Island anyway , the question law and anyway, the question of law and order repeatedly crops up in the news almost every day with retailers warning that shoplifting is on the rise. In shoplifting is on the rise. In fact, supermarkets incorporate the cost of theft into their prices. So it becomes sort of prices. So it becomes a sort of shoplifting tax , which we shoplifting tax, which we discussed week. Yesterday, discussed last week. Yesterday, the home office had figures which revealed that half of crimes solved by the Police Result in no charges. But these figures become even more concerning when you take into account the fact that just 5. 6 of offences reported to the police lead to suspect being police lead to a suspect being charged summonsed. However, charged or summonsed. However, one of the great things about somerset that a pretty somerset is that its a pretty law abiding area rather gloriously. When the 1839 rural constabulary act was passed , constabulary act was passed, which allowed areas to which allowed county areas to establish police forces, somerset didnt bother. It required a change in the law. Some time later to require the constabulary to be set up. However, are nonetheless however, there are nonetheless issues somerset. Issues for avon and somerset. Bristol is more hotbed of bristol is a more hotbed of crime than rural Somerset County lines , drug deals all present lines, drug deals all present challenges to my next guest and im delighted to be joined by the avon and Somerset Police and crime commissioner mark shelford. Mark, first of all, thank you for coming on. What id like you to begin by doing is explain a little bit about what police to begin by doing is explain a littl totality of police ing and crime within an avon and somerset and thats from for the whole criminal justice process from the start of the police at the front end through the Crime Prosecution Service into the courts, both magistrates and crown court, then into prisons. And we have for within avon and somerset and then finally to the Probation Service and i chair the criminal Justice Board and we set the priorities for that board. So thats my first role and therefore anybody within avon and somerset can contact me about their issues around policing and crime. Um, but i policing and crime. Um, but i have two other really important things that i have to do. One is to write the crime police and crime plan, and thats based on my manifesto. People voted on it and thats the priorities for the policing in this area. And then finally, i have to select and then scrutinise the chief constable and if necessary , fire her. But i have no intention of doing that. Shes just doing an outstanding job as chief constable. And so you set the plan. But day to day policing decisions are not made by you, are they . Theyre made by you, are they . Theyre made by the chief constable. And theres no political interference day interference in day to day policing. Correct. And in fact, in oath of office, which i in my oath of office, which i took on just i was elected took on just after i was elected into place, i had to take an oath to say i wouldnt interfere in operational matters that remains very much with chief constable. She is the Commanding Officer of the force. But i set the strategic goals and what my constituents tell me they feel about crime is that its mainly bristol focussed that they pay in a rural area through their taxes for the avon and somerset constabulary, but they dont see as many police as they would like and that crime sort of comes out of bristol to the rural areas. How fair is that . I think there is significant crime in bristol and there but there is also significant crime in the rural areas. And if you think about a quarter of the police calls that are received are crime, but three quarters are non crime. And thats the same non crime. And thats the same for the rural areas as it is in in our larger towns. And theres non crime issue, the Mental Health issue , too. Now, i know health issue, too. Now, i know your predecessor was trying to stop the police being called out for Mental Health cases , and for Mental Health cases, and thats become a policy in other constabularies i was very struck when i spent a night out with the police time ago. It was the police some time ago. It was very interesting instructive very interesting and instructive that actually the police were doing lot of social work doing a lot of social work rather than crime. Is that rather than crime. Is that something youre trying to tackle . Well, were trying to do tackle . Well, were trying to do it balanced because it in a balanced way because crime become , um, much more crime has become, um, much more complicated. If you talk to complicated. If you talk to experienced Police Officers, theyll say somebody that they arrested ten years ago was a much more simple arrest and process. Now its very complicated. Quite a lot of them have addiction issues and Mental Health issues. So the short answer is were working with our partners to try and reduce that burden on the police. Weve had some success. So, for example, weve had some Mental Health triage nurses that work in our control rooms that reduce the call out of police. And you say addiction issues that obviously leads on to the question of drugs and drug crime is a serious crime in rural as well as in urban areas , as should the as in urban areas, as should the police be treating that as crime or should they be treating it as illness for addicts . No, im strongly of the opinion that it is crime. The government released last year, the harm to hope strategy. It has three parts to that strategy. The first is prevention. And that education bit at school to make sure our children dont get involved in drugs. The second is proper treatment , but proper treatment, but particularly in prisons and then a continuity of treatment from prisons. And then finally prisons. And then finally theres enforcement and you should be very proud that your police force is the top performer , police force with the performer, police force with the number of disruptions against drugs in the whole country that leads me on to the next thing, because ive always been proud of Avon Somerset police. I think we have a fine constabulary locally the i meet locally and the ones i meet individually are impressive individuals. But the reputation of the isnt as high as of the police isnt as high as you and would both like it to you and i would both like it to be. And i wonder whether thats partly the policing of protest that people feel this is inconvenient for them. And the police dont act smartly enough. The colston statue comes to mind and you werent the policeman crime commissioner at that point, but i imagine you were pretty dismayed when the police that to happen. Police allowed that to happen. I was. And as you know, im an ex soldier, so ive done a lot of public order issues around the world, not just in the uk. The world, not just in the uk. And i think to give way to a mob is always dangerous because it sets a very bad precedence and you could argue that the attack on the bridewell Police Station a few months later was a direct result of the colston statue and im happy to say that i think the police and avon and somerset are particularly good at looking after different demonstrations. They liaise very well and mostly they pass off peacefully and well. But the police are trained to deal with them and theyre very good. In fact, a couple of weeks ago i went down to the Training Centre and experienced petrol bombs being thrown at Police Officers and brought back happy memories from my training in the army. Happy memories from my training in the army. So you were able to give them tips as how to use it and do you think thats part of reassuring the public to have confidence because that is an issue at the moment, and was it helped by the chief constable saying that she thought avon and somerset were institutionally racist . Does that tell you anything . Youre not racist. The anything . Youre not racist. The chief constable isnt racist. What is this institutional racism . Well i think you have to look at the fearsome and definition and people inadvertently disadvantaging different groups. And there is a lot of history, as you will know. And i think that statement was very courageous. I supported the chief constable in that statement and it is helpful. It is helpful in bringing those different communities together because the police in this country, its one awful that we have a police force that polices by consent. Have a police force that polices by consent. But but have a police force that polices by consent. But but that have a police force that polices by consent. But but that is about the whole community, not just one aspect of the community. And we need to make sure that all the communities work with the police on that wonderfully polite statement, the police is asked and we are the police is asked and we are the police. Mark, im to going have to draw this an end, but have to draw this to an end, but coming the looming threat coming up, the looming threat of china and more china poses new and more sinister and we have a sinister risks. And we have a man on hand knows a thing or man on hand who knows a thing or two the superpower. Plus, two about the superpower. Plus, should your have the right should your bank have the right to your cash withdrawal to refuse your cash withdrawal calls. Calls. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news evening. Of weather on gb news evening. Im alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a north south split with the weather tomorrow mostly fine across in the across the north, whereas in the south a grey tuesday with south quite a grey tuesday with rain this rain and drizzle from this little weather feature. Doesnt rain and drizzle from this little much, er feature. Doesnt rain and drizzle from this little much, er feeit . E. Doesnt rain and drizzle from this little much, er feeit . But oesnt rain and drizzle from this little much, er feeit . But oe is� t look much, does it . But it is introducing cloud rain and introducing more cloud rain and drizzle as we go through the evening and it will continue across the south overnight. We do around do have some showers around across northern scotland at the moment. Heavy ones here and moment. Some heavy ones here and there well. Steadily there as well. Theyll steadily fade then fade through the night and then a good part of scotland, Northern Ireland, northern and eastern be dry and Eastern England will be dry and clear night and that clear through the night and that will to turn little will allow it to turn a little chilly. Temperatures into chilly. Temperatures down into single mild night in single figures, a mild night in the because the cloud the south west because the cloud is in. Its going to make is moving in. Its going to make for miserable, drizzly start for a miserable, drizzly start across south and west wales and South West England. And some of that light rain and drizzle will trickle towards the midlands and eventually the eventually towards the south east. A bright south east. So after a bright start and for east anglia start here and for east anglia it will over much of it will cloud over much of Northern England though Northern Ireland, central southern scotland having fine day with scotland having a fine day with some spells, a few some sunny spells, just a few showers north where showers in the far north where itll be breezy and still itll still be breezy and still on side. Temperatures on the cool side. Temperatures struggling reach 20 degrees struggling to reach 20 degrees for most of but there are for most of us. But there are signs warmer weather on signs of warmer weather on the way. A fine day for many on way. A fine day for many on wednesday will be again quite cloudy in west. Some patchy cloudy in the west. Some patchy rain for Northern Ireland certainly in the morning. Misty and coasts in and murky around the coasts in the south west. But for a good chunk of the country wednesday looking hazy looking dry with some hazy sunshine to turn sunshine and start to turn a little warmer with temperatures more into 20s looks more widely into the 20s looks like things are heating up by next boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Welcome back. I remain Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Arthur says the uk has broken because for the past 20 or more years the best person for the top job has been passed over for someone who will parrot the prevailing company attitude, the prevailing company attitude, the loudest, police the loudest, the police being a prime example of this, and judnh prime example of this, and judith may i say i am very much enjoying your programme. Thank you, judith, as always. And a most impressed by your dress down monday. Look, i shall expect to you in jeans in expect to see you in jeans in due course. Doubt, due course. No doubt, judith. I think that might be a little bit racy for me, but. But i hope you will forgive tweed as im in somerset. Anyway many of you will be aware that im cautious about the cost of the net zero agenda, and im no fan of communism, or otherwise communism, chinese or otherwise. But what about when the two come and a two come together and form a two pronged well, weve pronged threat . Well, weve mentioned on this program before the the governments the fact that the governments plan ban the sale of all new plan to ban the sale of all new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 poses Serious Problems for consumers. Electric cars are expensive indeed, the cheapest we could find was about £20,000. What we didnt mention is that chinese electric vehicles excuse me seem to be becoming the cheapest options on the market for most things from china seem to follow this trend. But theres a catch. Over the theres a catch. Over the weekend, ministers warned that chinese electric cars could be used to spy on you on british subjects. We know the chinese communists dont seem to have a problem harvesting organs, so why would they have a problem harvesting data to do . We harvesting our data to do . We have this issue with the Huawei Telecommunications infrastructure already, but as a group of Cross Party Mps echoed these concerns , warning that we these concerns, warning that we are set to hand over control of our Critical Infrastructure in our Critical Infrastructure in our car market to peking, it now seems that net zero could be posing National Security risks as well as financial ones to do. But still with me is the great stanley johnson, who is an expert at both about china and net zero. So who better to speak to . Stanley, youre the man who answered these difficult questions. Before i do, ijust questions. Before i do, i just want to say to you, jacob, how thrilled i am as i came into your library. I call it your library today. And what did i see . Caught my eye. This book, which is the first volume of my autobiography. I see. Its inscribed. Jacob its inscribed to jacob. And helena with best wishes confidence in a wishes and total confidence in a great victory here in North East Somerset next year or next year must, i have been the must, i think, have been the 2010 election. But im 2010 election. But why im pointing this out this was pointing this out is this was taken when i was on the china Afghan Border way back in 1961, tracking marco poland. Answer your point about the cars now. Okay. For the last eight weeks ive been travelling across china and a lot of that time has beenin china and a lot of that time has been in vehicles. I had, for example, a toyota, i think it was called a toyota land cruiser, prado land cruiser. And cruiser, prado land cruiser. And yes, yes, there were spy cameras in that car. They were called. I think the name was technical name was is it is it groper or gopher or gopro . Yes gopro, yes. Groper groper. Thats altogether different. We hope so. No, go. Different. We hope so. No, go. Gopro. Gopro. Well, there we go. They were there, though, and they were spying on a british subject. And i want to say i was perfectly happy because i was with my son, max. We said, no, no state secrets. Had no no state secrets. We had no state say. I think state secrets to say. I think this whole business about china, you know, im going to be sinister here. I write novels. My sinister here. I write novels. My thought is that there are people there who want to people out there who want to whack up, whack up as a whack it up, whack china up as a potential why . Potential enemy. And why . Because the more you have a potential enemy, the more defence can get and defence spending you can get and all that thing. All that kind of thing. Okay, dont you think the okay, but dont you think the tone of china has changed since president xi became president , tone of china has changed since presibeforei became president , tone of china has changed since presibefore then me president , tone of china has changed since presibefore then ,ne president , tone of china has changed since presibefore then , from esident, tone of china has changed since presibefore then , from deng|t, that before then, from Deng Xiaoping , china was xiaoping onwards, china was becoming much more open to the west . Interested in the west, concerned about economics and much less aggressive in relation to taiwan, but also the joint declaration on hong kong. When deng signed that or it was agreed on his behalf, i think more accurately and he was asked about the 50 years he said that he hoped in 50 years china would catch up with hong kong. She clearly doesnt think that way and takes a much more aggressive stance as to relations. Stance as to global relations. Well , you stance as to global relations. Well, you might flip that one on head and say , if i was on its head and say, if i was chinese looking at the uk , id chinese looking at the uk, id say, less than 15 say, well, actually less than 15 years ago, about ten years ago now, she was at chequers in a pub, you know, drinking beer with with cameron. It was the Cameron Osborne golden age. So you could look at the ella whelan, you could say, whos becoming aggressive . Maybe we are. Point, are. Anyway, on your point, i dont its as bad. Dont think its as bad. Anything like as bad as you say, but i think it could get bad. It could worse if we continue could get worse if we continue to, as it were, talk up. And thats why ive been working hard change and hard on this. Climate change and biodiversity stuff. Okay. But the military operations around taiwan, the treatment uyghurs , surely treatment of the uyghurs, surely these are different scale from what was going on prior to xi taking over . Well, this hasnt been my field. You know, im youve got experts out there and im sure these experts have a point of view thats really not my field for the last 2 or 3 years, ive been working tremendously hard with people in our with key people in our government, not necessarily , you government, not necessarily, you know, up there shouting about what theyre doing, saying on, on, on climate change, on cars, on, on climate change, on cars, on on biodiversity. We have to on on biodiversity. We have to work with them on biodiverse city. Youve been doing work that i think everybody thoroughly supports saving turtles and so on. The supports saving turtles and so on. The work you were talking aboutin on. The work you were talking about in the they they did the Great Program in montreal last yeah Great Program in montreal last year. But if you differentiate between in that effort, the natural effort and then getting rid of diesel and petrol cars, its going to make peoples lives more expensive. Cant we have the best of both worlds and do the one that youve done such important work and actually do the one that youve done such imporpeoplerk and actually do the one that youve done such imporpeople still and actually do the one that youve done such imporpeople still tod actually do the one that youve done such imporpeople still to havejally do the one that youve done such imporpeople still to have they allow people still to have the freedom low cost of travel freedom and low cost of travel that theyve got . Okay, just the okay, lets just take the electric car thing. I first went to china, failed to get the chennai i you, but chennai six, as i told you, but did go back in 75 as a first Eu Delegation in china, have been going on going back many times since on writing novels and something. What struck me this what really struck me this time in weeks give you in eight weeks does give you a chance get a feel moving from chance to get a feel moving from west east throughout the west to east throughout the whole amazing. Is whole country. Amazing. What is amazing is the way the vehicles have really gone electric. China have really gone electric. China has to be in the lead. Have really gone electric. China has to be in the lead. You can has to be in the lead. You can cross the street and you can be run over because you dont hear the vehicles coming. If you see what i mean. Yes, i know. Yes. And that was the biggest and the impact that not perhaps impact of that has not perhaps been much on their on their been so much on their on their overall emissions, because you rightly that overall rightly say that chinas overall emissions rightly say that chinas overall emi in ons rightly say that chinas overall emi in terms of the health of but in terms of the health of the cities, incredible. Youve probably beijing as probably gone to beijing as often as i have, but if you go now, see you breathe amazing. And the improvement in china is coming. Youre saying, in spite of the fact that its emissions are getting worse and worse in terms of Carbon Dioxide, it adds more than the uk every year. Well, what it has to be is a developing country and a developed country. You cant they cant they cant do that. They cant have done that without increasing their emissions. But arent there different issues . One should be concerned about that actually air quality. The uk had this problem. We had it in the 1950s and we dealt with it through the Clean Air Act, the air in london was act, and the air in london was transferred, informed the transferred, informed by the clean act and the london Clean Air Act and the london smog disappeared. And that smog disappeared. And that thats one aspect of it. But thats one aspect of it. But that actually Carbon Dioxide is a different aspect. Its very difficult to get rich without out emitting Carbon Dioxide and therefore , for china and india, therefore, for china and india, theyre very unlikely to. And why should the uk make itself poor when other countries are making themselves rich . Well first i question the word poor. I mean, you know, poverty, poverty is relative. This country is not is not. No. But doesnt everybody and i speak to you as the paterfamilias, as the great johnson family, doesnt everyone want their children and their grandchildren to be better off, more prosperous than they are . Isnt that a natural human instinct . All thats true. But we also, i think, have a sense that this country is way back to the country is going way back to the beginning the 18th century in beginning of the 18th century in 1750 would say. And the beginning of the industrial revolution. We are still, would you believe, if you take historical emissions, lets say all carbon we have admitted all the carbon we have admitted as a country since the beginning of the industrial revolution, were still fifth largest were still the fifth largest emitter in the world, but were the fifth largest economy. So fifth or sixth. So its about that is our economics. What im saying that is okay . What im saying that is our historical, historical and i often to india and you do often go to india and you do meet and say, look, meet people and you say, look, im not going to try and do an indian accent or anything like that. Not know exactly. That. Thats not know exactly. Look you people, they say actually used up a lot of the absorbed of capacity when we try to get they say no, you cant do it because weve actually used it because weve actually used it all up. You know, at the point. Okay well stanley is absolutely brilliant having you here. Stanley been here. Stanley has been an absolute star hes on absolute star because hes on his to london from south his way to london from South Somerset hes made a break somerset and hes made a break in West Harptree. Come and join me. Coming should have me. Coming up, should banks have the restrict access to the right to restrict access to your welcome back. I continue to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youll be getting in touch with your mail, but ive got a special guest reader of mail mogs today, the one and only peter rhys mogg. Well, alfred has said we were asleep at the wheel. China has spread its tentacles not only through the uk but europe as well, to a lesser degree the well, and to a lesser degree the usa, especially in universities and areas of defence and and those areas of defence and technology. Said, technology. And chris has said, hi jacob, please, could you tell us about the history of your house and fireplace . It house and the fireplace . It looks beautiful. House and the fireplace . It loo well, autiful. House and the fireplace . It loo well, thats a very good well, thats a very good question. Try and answer question. I can try and answer both those. I think we have both of those. I think we have been a bit slack china and been a bit slack about china and china become more china has become more problematic. Was discussing problematic. As i was discussing with stanley since the coming to office of xi jinping , that he office of xi jinping, that he has a different approach and a more aggressive approach at the fireplace is really very interesting. That it has the arms of the bucklands and the phillips, and it was a mr. Buckland who built this house, having married a miss phillips of montacute house in also in somerset, which was the Phillips Family house and is now owned by the National Trust and was where George Nathaniel curzon lived before he founded the National Trust. So moving on, perhaps its just when that west may think it has finally escaped the wrath of the free press over its disastrous handling of Nigel Farages personal information, it found itself once again wrapped up in controversy. This time over the issue of cash. As time over the issue of cash. As you may be aware, gb news launched a very successful dont kill cash campaign, reaching 250,000 signatures just moments ago, pushing the government to protect the status of cash as legal tender until at least 2050. Im an advocate of using cash. I 2050. Im an advocate of using cash. I like cash. It has cash. I like cash. It has a physical utility. But also it means the government, my bank dont have to know everything that i spend money on, which isnt really their business. Well, natwest, in its latest act of self harm, has granted itself new powers, permitting it to set limits on inbound and outbound payments along with restrictions on the amount of customers on the amount of cash customers can withdraw their accounts can withdraw from their accounts. So is this a sinister push towards a Cashless Society or is it merely the march of progress . Well, im joined now by toby young, general secretary of the free speech union. Toby, thank free speech union. Toby, thank you, as always, forjoining me. |, you, as always, forjoining me. I, of course, remember for that wonderful film, mary poppins. And when little master banks wants to take his money out of the bank, actually, he doesnt want to put his money in the bank. He wants to buy a bag of birdseed. So he leads to a run on the bank. So why is natwest saying you cant take your cash out . Which seems to me to be an absolute fundamental of banking along with not giving out secrets your customers. Along with not giving out secrifs your customers. Along with not giving out secrif your your customers. Along with not giving out secrif your customers;tomers. Along with not giving out secrif your customers want rs. Along with not giving out secrif your customers want their but if your customers want their cash out, you have to give it, dont you . Dont you . Yes, you do. And i can think of another scene in another popular film, its a wonderful life, in which a bank run is triggered by a bank being unable to give out peoples cash when they ask for it. So yeah, it does seem a it. So yeah, it does seem a slightly rash thing to do. And you asked, is this a portent of something sinister in our future . And i think it likely is because the leaflet that natwest issued describing this change, justifying this change was called tomorrow begins today, which sounds like the kind of utopian language, the dystopian language youd expect to see in a sci fi film about the future. A sci fi film about the future. And clearly natwest is envisaging a time when we are an entirely Cashless Society. And entirely Cashless Society. And that seems particularly tin eared given that one of the dangers of a Cashless Society is that it gives more powers to banks because if they can de banking you, youre effectively stymied. You cant pay effectively stymied. You cant pay your rent, you cant pay your groceries. So natwest is effectively saying, were going to de banking people whose political opinions we disapprove of like we did. Nigel farage. Although it has apologies for that, the ceo has resigned. But that, the ceo has resigned. But nonetheless to do that and then to say that tomorrow means as a Cashless Society, i think is particularly sinister combination. Combination. But toby, havent we just got frightfully middle aged and that actually people who are just ten years younger than us never use cash anymore . And one speaks to lots of people , all who go month lots of people, all who go month by month without using cash and that those of us who still like paying that those of us who still like paying taxi drivers with cash, which i always try to do, are basically old dinosaurs. Basically old dinosaurs. Well, im not sure that just because young people tend to use less cash than older people, thats a reason to phase out cash. After all, older people tend to be more vulnerable. And tend to be more vulnerable. And a lot of Research Evidence suggests that it is the most vulnerable members of our society who rely the most on cash , not just the elderly, but cash, not just the elderly, but also the low paid. So if we do move away from a cash based society towards some kind of Central Bank Digital currency , Central Bank Digital currency, that will likely do the most harm to the most vulnerable and even young people who may not care too much about cash themselves should care about that mean. I think there are other to worried other reasons to be worried about the move towards dec. As about the move towards dec. As you know, there was a parliamentary report last year by the Economic Affairs committee which said that dec was a solution looking for a problem. It pointed out that if people transfer cash from their Bank Deposits into some kind of Digital Currency wallet , that Digital Currency wallet, that could exacerbate financial instability in periods of instability. How are you going to stop criminal activity . How are you going to stop criminals using digital cash for criminal purposes . Exactly. Purposes . Exactly. Monitoring natwest says exactly. But natwest says exactly. But natwest says exactly. But natwest says exactly the reverse. They say that theyre doing this to protect their customers from fraud. I assume because theyre worried that a fraudster may persuade somebody to go to the bank, the cash and bank, take out all the cash and give it to to the the fraudster. I know there are lots of problems with online fraud, but perhaps this is also a fraud risk well. Risk as well. People talk about cbdc guarding against Money Laundering and fraud , criminals laundering and fraud, criminals using cash to pay for criminal activity. But how can you guard activity. But how can you guard against those things without eroding our right to privacy . You know , the way theyll guard you know, the way theyll guard against it is by monitoring very carefully how digital cash is used. Youll have to use some kind of digital id before you pay kind of digital id before you pay for something with your digital cash. And that to me is digital cash. And that to me is more worrying than the various risks associated with a cash based economy. Its like based economy. Its like chestertons famous analogy of the fence. Jacob you know, this the fence. Jacob you know, this is an example. Think of chestertons fence. Why replace chestertons fence. Why replace something thats worth working perfectly . Well with something when youre not sure that the thing you replace it with is actually going to be an improvement . Lets try and understand and all the benefits of a bit better and try and of cash a bit better and try and mitigate the risks before moving into this completely, taking this leap the dark towards this leap in the dark towards something thats going to grant obe. Were going to have to leave it there. The two of us are cash dinosaurs like handing over the two of us are cash dipicture; like handing over the two of us are cash dipicture of like handing over the two of us are cash dipicture of ourike handing over the two of us are cash dipicture of our sovereign g over the two of us are cash dipicture of our sovereign when a picture of our sovereign when we for things. Indeed, wed we pay for things. Indeed, wed rather sovereigns in real rather have sovereigns in real money, thats another money, but thats another question altogether. And thats money, but thats another quefrom altogether. And thats money, but thats another quefrom me. Gether. And thats money, but thats another quefrom me. Its1er. And thats money, but thats another quefrom me. Its all. And thats money, but thats another quefrom me. Its all from thats money, but thats another quefrom me. Its all from me. s all from me. Its all from me. In West Harptree today, up next, its professor daniel wootton. Dan, is coming up on your programme . Oh, jacob, we are missing you in but i have say in the studio. But i have to say your house looks spectacular. Your house looks spectacular. That artwork. My goodness, im waiting for my invite. Big show ahead. Waiting for my invite. Big show ahead. Carole malone, carol ahead. Carole malone, Carol Mcgiffin benjamin mcgiffin and Benjamin Butterworth on the Superstar Panel tonight. Panel tonight. Well, as always, thats great stuff. Im jacob well, as always, thats great stuff. Im Jacob Rees Mogg well, as always, thats great stuff. Im Jacob Rees Mogg from stuff. Im Jacob Rees Mogg from gods own county. The sun was shining today will be shining tomorrow. That state of the nation. Ill be back here tomorrow. Join me 8 00. Thank tomorrow. Join me at 8 00. Thank you. Tomorrow. Join me at 8 00. Thank youthat warm feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news evening. Weather on. Gb news evening. Im alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a north south split with the weather tomorrow. Mostly fine north, whereas fine across the north, whereas in south quite a grey in the south quite a grey tuesday with rain and drizzle from little from this little weather feature. Look does feature. Doesnt look much, does it . Is introducing more it . But it is introducing more cloud rain and drizzle as we go through evening and will through the evening and it will continue south continue across the south overnight. Some overnight. We do have some showers around across northern scotland at the moment. Some heavy and there as heavy ones here and there as well. Stay dili, well. Theyll stay dili, fade through and a through the night and then a good part of scotland, Northern Ireland, and eastern ireland, northern and Eastern England dry clear england will be dry and clear through the and that will through the night and that will allow it to turn a little chilly. Down into chilly. Temperatures down into single mild night single figures. A mild night in the because cloud the south west because the cloud is in. Its going to make is moving in. Its going to make for miserable, drizzly start for a miserable, drizzly start across south and west wales and South West England and some of that light rain and drizzle will trickle towards the midlands and eventually the eventually towards the south east. A bright south east. So after a bright start and for east anglia start here and for east anglia it much of it will cloud over much of Northern England though Northern Ireland, central, southern scotland fine day with scotland having a fine day with some spells, just few some sunny spells, just a few showers in the far north where itll breezy still itll still be breezy and still on the cool side. Temperatures struggling to reach 20 degrees for there are for most of us. But there are signs warmer weather on signs of warmer weather on the way. A fine day for many on way. A fine day for many on wednesday will be again quite cloudy in the west. Some patchy rain Northern Ireland cloudy in the west. Some patchy rain i\inthern ireland cloudy in the west. Some patchy rain i\in then ireland cloudy in the west. Some patchy rain i\in the morning. Misty certainly in the morning. Misty and murky around the coasts in the south west. For a good the south west. But for a good chunk the country wednesday chunk of the country wednesday looking dry with some hazy sunshine and starting to turn a little warmer with temperatures more widely into the 20s that warm feeling gb news no spin, no bias, no censorship. Im dan wootton. Tonight the first set of migrants have finally arrived on the bibby stockholm home barge, but without the rwanda plan, the uk is devoid of a deterrent to stop the small boats so is the government right to resurrect proposals to send Illegal Migrants to Ascension Island instead , ill declare the crisis instead, ill declare the crisis a National Emergency yet again and demand that the tories do the same in my digest next. Then Kelvin Mackenzie weighs in as he calls on ministers to look closer to home and declare war on the wicked people smugglers dont miss the legend of fleet street. Later in uncancelled. Also on the way enemy of free speech. Also on the way enemy of free speech. Natwest has granted speech. Natwest has granted itself sweeping new powers to limit cash deposits and withdrawals. So do we need to withdrawals. So do we need to fight back against the uks woke Financial Institutions once again and thwart their cashless nightmare . Ill debate that with my Superstar Panel and the