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This is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news now though, its time for free speech nation. Time for free speech nation. Well. Activist librarians hide well. Activist librarians hide books from the public. Elon musk offers Financial Support for the cancel board, and the uk government wants an equality guru for the Falkland Islands. This is free speech nafion islands. This is free speech nation. Who. Welcome to free nation. Who. Welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. So coming up on the show tonight, should corporate nafions tonight, should corporate nations stay out of politics. 7 im going to be talking to campaigner james sps about im going to be talking to campaignerjames sps about how campaigner james sps about how the bank monzo and costa coffee have seemingly been captured by this new ideology. Should this new ideology. Should children as young as five be taught, divisive theories as though they are fact. 7 anna luft though they are fact. 7 anna luft from the law project will be from the bad law project will be here their campaign here to discuss their campaign against indoctrination in schools. And is the climate schools. And is the climate debate being censored . Im going to joined by journalist kit to be joined by journalist kit clattenburg discuss clattenburg to discuss the latest by big tech and latest attempts by big tech and the government to kerb discussion. Course, discussion. And of course, myself and my fantastic panel will answering questions from will be answering questions from our audience. Our wonderful studio audience. My our wonderful studio audience. My guests this evening are josh howie and Jonathan Kogan. Look a howie and Jonathan Kogan. Look a very smart tonight, jonathan. Well, thank you. Last time i well, thank you. Last time i wore shorts and you didnt take shorts and a t shirt. You like you just you look like you just roughed you didnt really care. This is black tie for me. This is me at very best. This is me at my very best. Thats you at your poshest. This is me at my very best. Thatsand at your poshest. This is me at my very best. Thatsand iveour poshest. This is me at my very best. Thatsand iveour piveest. This is me at my very best. Thatsand iveour pive lost yeah. And ive lost. Ive lost half yeah. And ive lost. Ive lost halyeah. Dont for applause i im lying. Lam 51mm im lying. I just wanted to clap. What about you, josh . Youve. Youve had the worst holiday of the ive been the week. Yeah, ive been camping four with the camping for four days with the biggest storm, but it was the biggest storm, but it was the biggest the. Yeah, of biggest storm of the. Yeah, of history biggest storm of the. Yeah, of histyeah, lost three of the kids. Yeah. Yeah thats not a bad ratio, given that. No weve still got a couple. Its all fine. Had fine. Thats why you had so many. Fine. Thats why you had so ma have beard before that have a beard before that trip. It was a long, trip. No, no. It was a long, long and tonight my long trip, but. And tonight my wife and jonathans parents are in audience. Yeah, somewhere in the audience. Yeah, somewhere in the audience. Yeah, somewhere in but you in the audience . Yeah but you spot them. This very exciting. This is very exciting. Well, lets our audience lets go into our audience now for questions. Our first for some questions. Our first question kim. Where is question is from kim. Where is kim . Kim. Question is from kim. Where is kinits kim. Question is from kim. Where is kinits my kim. Question is from kim. Where is kinits my wife,. Question is from kim. Where is kinits my wife, kim. Yeah, my its my wife, kim. Yeah, my parents, wife and parents. Kim, whats your question then . Can we all now be a bit more sorry . Can we all now be a bit more honest on twitter or x now that elon musk will cover our legal fees . Yeah, this is kind of amazing. So musk has tweeted, i think just hes think its just today hes tweeted. , if you were tweeted. He said, if you were unfairly treated by your employer due posting or employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill. No limit. Please let us know. Wow, thats us know. Wow, thats astonishing. Yeah, because , i astonishing. Yeah, because, i mean, hes got a lot of money, but theres a lot of people whove their over whove lost their jobs over liking whove lost their jobs over liki retweeted the other retweeted talktv the other day and im big trouble. Day and im in big trouble. Youre out here. But, i mean, youre out here. But, i mean, do you think can actually do you think he can actually will about will he carry the thing about this . Game this . It could be a real game changer because hes got the money it. People money to do it. Most people dont go after these corporations hound corporations when they hound people out of their jobs and fire them. Yeah, but, know, fire them. Yeah, but, you know, in have the in america, they do have the First Amendment. It matters to them face of it them on the face of it, it sounds of course, how is he but of course, how is he actually qualify . Who actually going to qualify . Who who is who going work for who is who is going to work for what . There what . But also, like there are people him. Yes. And people criticising him. Yes. And hes sort banned them as hes sort of banned them as well. So theres some level of hypocrisy that there always is. Okay elm well, do you think do you think i mean, think he can do this . I mean, there happy people whove lost their tweets . There happy people whove lost the will tweets . There happy people whove lost the will a tweets . There happy people whove lost the will a cut neets . There happy people whove lost the will a cut of ets . There happy people whove lost the will a cut of the will he get a cut of the winnings that winnings if they win . Is that part business . Part of the business . Is that what know. Part of the business . Is that whtthats know. Part of the business . Is that whtthats what know. Part of the business . Is that whtthats what hesiow. Part of the business . Is that whtthats what hes trying thats what hes trying to make. All. So make twitter profitable. All. So maybe the idea. Maybe maybe this is the idea. For personally, all well, for me personally, all my stuff ive my tweet problems are stuff ive said this channel, so i dont said on this channel, so i dont think going fired think im going to get fired from all the other. I from here. Its all the other. I think safe here. From here. Its all the other. I thiryeah. Safe here. From here. Its all the other. I thironih. Safe here. From here. Its all the other. I thiron the safe here. From here. Its all the other. I thiron the whole,1ere. From here. Its all the other. I thiron the whole, dealing on the whole, dealing with the last on the whole, dealing with the its last on the whole, dealing with the its a last on the whole, dealing with the its a whole last on the whole, dealing with the its a whole you last week. Its a whole thing. You went viral yeah, went viral last week. Yeah, well, was well, the tweet when i was shirtless the shirtless in the room and the whole all right, we werent moving on. Sounds okay, well, it sounds dodgy. Okay, well, look , we are going to talking look, we are going to be talking to from the free to toby young from the free speech show speech union later in the show about that very question. So itll to hear his itll be interesting to hear his thoughts that. But can say itll be interesting to hear his tithinkts that. But can say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it that. But can say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it couldat. But can say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it could be but can say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it could be a|t can say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it could be a major| say itll be interesting to hear his tithink it could be a major game i think it could be a major game changen i think it could be a major game changer. Were going changer. Okay, were going to move brian move on to a question from brian now. Hello brian. Now. Wheres brian . Hello brian. Hello. Hello in order to protect the Us Constitution , protect the Us Constitution, ian, should donald trump stand down . Brian, do you think donald trump should stand down . Oh, you put me on the spot now. How. Now. Well, if youre going to ask the question, have an the question, you should have an idea. Yes. Dont think you idea. Yes. No, i dont think you should idea. Yes. No, i dont think you shou think witch hunt and i think its a witch hunt and democracy prevail. Democracy should prevail. Interesting jonathan, brian, stand down. Jonathan, brian, stand down. Do you think its a witch hunt, jonathan . Well, as sort of an expert well, as a sort of an expert in foreign especially in foreign affairs, especially in foreign affairs, especially in here. Yes. Well, what in foreign affairs, especially in think here. Yes. Well, what in foreign affairs, especially in think . 1ere. Yes. Well, what in foreign affairs, especially in think . Doe. Yes. Well, what in foreign affairs, especially in think . Do i yes. Well, what in foreign affairs, especially in think . Do i thinkiiell, what in foreign affairs, especially in think . Do i think he. , what in foreign affairs, especially in think . Do i think he should do i think . Do i think he should stand down . Should they not wait till trial is over and then till the trial is over and then find out if because hes find out if because if hes proven innocent, then no. If hes guilty. Look, we hes proven guilty. Look, we thought the 2016 election was weird enough. If prison now, this if hes in prison now, this next going to be properly next one is going to be properly its be president. Its going to be president. Be zooming in just. E e yeah, i dont know what to make i mean, i do i do make of that. I mean, i do i do think couldnt think american politics couldnt get now get any more surreal. And now this is happening. Get any more surreal. And now thiswell, ppening. Get any more surreal. And now thiswell, this1ing. Get any more surreal. And now thiswell, this1inwhat some well, this is what some people republicans are sort of encouraging and saying, look, well you kind of stand down, well if you kind of stand down, well if you kind of stand down, well make it all go well kind of make it all go away. Depends on to away. Yeah, it depends on to what level you see him as a threat to democracy. Yes. Then affects the rest of the world. Okay. E dont understand but what i dont understand about is why it is about any of this is why it is that the republicans havent about any of this is why it is that tfor republicans havent about any of this is why it is that tfor desantis|ns havent about any of this is why it is that tfor desantis when vent about any of this is why it is that tfor desantis when itst gone for desantis when its absolutely clear from every metric that desantis can actually. But trump actually beat biden. But trump cant. Going on there . Cant. Whats going on there . Because theres and because theres loyalty and or and think just being or and i think that just being cynical is that a lot of those politicians are supporting trump. Probably even trump. They probably dont even like they like trump that much. But they see he this fervent fan see that he has this fervent fan base and theyre willing base and theyre not willing to upset. Upset them. But advantage of yeah, but the advantage of desantis, is not being desantis, firstly is not being in and i would have in prison and i would have thought i would have thought thats okay there might thats not yet. Okay there might be something about him. We dont know well, if youre a trump well, well, if youre a trump guy, thats thing. A guy, thats the thing. Youre a sort life a sort of trump guy for life is a cult and theres cult of personality and theres just so many people are in on him to the very end the ride or die and thats they stick die and thats why they stick with strange world. With him. Its a strange world. Brian, hope with him. Its a strange world. Answered brian, hope with him. Its a strange world. Answered youryrian, hope with him. Its a strange world. Answered your question. Pe that answered your question. Probably anyway, were probably not. But anyway, were going to move on to john now. Wheres hi, hi, andrew. You doing . How are you doing . How are you doing . Mediocre. I know. That im mediocre. I know. That was just a pleasantry. You didnt actual answer . Didnt want an actual answer . Really. No. Okay oh, not really. No. No. Okay oh, not really. No. No. Okay afterwards. Well talk afterwards. Okay. Well talk afterwards. Okay. Yeah would you. Fair enough. Yeah would you. Would you move to the Falkland Islands for 43 grand a year . Well you know what . Ive always wanted to go to the islands i. The Falkland Islands, but i. This job ive read about. This is a job ive read about. This is a job ive read about. This job, 43 grand a year for a diversity equality guru. Now the thing about the falklands is, like, theres 3500 people live there. Theres 500,000 sheep. So so is this about the sheep . Is it are they going to bring in other kinds of animals . They other kinds of animals . Are they white sheep or black . Well, thats is thats what i want to know. Is thats what i want to know. Is that about . Do we that what this is about . Do we really an equality guru on really need an equality guru on the dont we just need another army . Its a great idea. In fact, its a great idea. In fact, i think send the think we should send all the equality gurus to falklands i thats actually a good idea. Thats actually a good idea. I think makes sense to i think it makes sense to have there have an equality guru there because actually island because its actually an island like island that like an argentinian island that identifies english. It . Identifies as english. Is it . Thats i think what it thats i think thats what it is. Is identity issue is. There is an identity issue going i dont know. Going on there. I dont know. Dont know anyone i dont know what anyone watching falklands i dont know what anyone watc not] falklands i dont know what anyone watc not] that falklands i dont know what anyone watc not] that funny. lands i dont know what anyone watc not] that funny. Should will not find that funny. Should i other way round . I do it the other way round . Its issue. Its kind of a sensitive issue. 3000 know 3000 of them. Yeah. Yeah, i know. Me. Come at me. Joking. Please dont. No, im joking. Please dont. No, im joking. Please dont. Very strange, yeah, its very strange, isnt like an its isnt it . Its like an its a big the diversity big industry. The diversity industry. Industry. Industry. But we its a huge industry. But we are companies its a huge industry. But we are cutting companies its a huge industry. But we are cutting Like Companies its a huge industry. But we are cutting like disneypanies its a huge industry. But we are cutting like disney cut es now cutting like disney cut their disney diversity person. So a lot of companies are realising chucking realising theyre just chucking money here. Realising theyre just chucking mo hows re. Realising theyre just chucking mo howsre. Going to the hows it going to work on the falklands . Go falklands . Are they going to go into corner shop into like barrels corner shop and arent gay and say there arent enough gay people working here . Do something barrel well, something about it . Barrel well, barrel it out, to something about it . Barrel well, ba|honest. It out, to something about it . Barrel well, ba|honest. Yeah. It out, to something about it . Barrel well, ba|honest. Yeah. Shes ut, to something about it . Barrel well, ba|honest. Yeah. Shes u nasty be honest. Yeah. Shes a nasty piece okay were going piece of work. Okay were going to to the next question to move on to the next question from hello, from lee. Where is lee . Hello, lee. Lee. Hello. Hello does indeed should free speech on campus include islamic extremism . Yeah. This was a bit nuts. So theres been this story thats broken and theres these students that have been told to fight an apocalyptic war against irans enemies. Fight an apocalyptic war against irans enemies. And this is a irans enemies. And this is a london based student organisation. What theyve done is that theyve hosted these talks over zoom with well, members of the iranian paramilitary group, the regimes revels stationary guard who lets put it bluntly, a very anti semitic talk. So these talks, they deny the holocaust. They said that jewish people invented homosexuality one time. Okay. So they were half right. But, you know , explain this to but, you know, explain this to me, josh. Well, and they want to end the era of jews as well. So. Right. So we know that there are islamic extremists in iran that feel this way. This is not new news. But to have why new news. But to have a why would uk right. Why would you to the uk right. Why have group have you as a Student Group invite those to a invite those people to give a talk because theyre fundamentalists themselves or theyre being allowed to be influenced by. So this actually uncovered so this is actually uncovered by chronicle . Yes, by the Jewish Chronicle . Yes, i am reviewer for the am the tv reviewer for the Jewish Chronicle. I give free speech nation, stars. There speech nation, five stars. There we go. There it is. So but yeah, we go. There it is. So but yeah, this is a real serious thing. There has been a movement within the to and ban the government to try and ban and to outlaw the iranian guards as terrorist organisation as a terrorist organisation because theres proof them because theres proof of them going all over world, going all over the world, setting up these terrorist schemes their enemies, schemes to kill their enemies, which are basically jewish people. And this is terrifying. People. And this is terrifying. But also, you would think that they would the official institutions of this country would have a grasp on our student base. Now, it was all in the 90s and sort of seeing it was a lot of Islamist Groups just allowed to sort of behave unchecked. But it led to the unchecked. But it led to the terrorism that. But isnt this the weird thing . Because , you know, theyre so because, you know, theyre so hot oh , if you invite a hot on like, oh, if you invite a gender feminist in that gender critical feminist in that persons stopped persons got to be stopped and everything, persons got to be stopped and everyt sort , persons got to be stopped and everyt sort of nutcase from iran some sort of nutcase from iran to talk about how theyre saying that men and women are different. Okay, oh,. So its okay, right . Oh, i see. So theyre on the right side i mean, this is side of history. I mean, this is incredible, as incredible, isnt it . I mean, as David Baddiel said, its a bit of moment, of a jews dont count moment, would the standards are like its the standards are not same way there not held in the same way there and yeah. I know id most well i know id say most people outraged these people are outraged that these people are outraged that these people i only people are saying well i only just about it. Okay, just found out about it. Okay, so get so you havent had time to get outraged . Right. Outraged . No, but i will. Right. You good. You starting to see good. Jonathan. Okay, lets get another question now from andrew. Andrew hello. Hi. Should Great Western railway decide what i can view on the internet . Yeah, this was a weird one. So, you know, the Campaign Group sex you will know sex matters and you will know them joyce has them because helen joyce has been maya been on this show. Maya forstater been show. Forstater has been on this show. So women effectively who so the women effectively who campaign womens rights. And campaign for womens rights. And they say that biological sex matters. Its a its a reality. Matters. Its a its a reality. Now, the Great Western railway, you know, when go online on you know, when you go online on the train, you know, its normally shoddy, but normally quite shoddy, but you get about get get you can just about get online. The sex online. They blocked the sex matters website they claimed matters website and they claimed it was because it repeated the word in on the website. But word sex in on the website. But when users actually tried to get to it, it up with , no, this when users actually tried to get to hateful up with , no, this when users actually tried to get to hateful terroristith , no, this when users actually tried to get to hateful terrorist material. His is hateful terrorist material. Thats how i have sex. Yeah. So thats how you do sex. Thats true. But you know, so therefore theyre lying, arent they , theyre lying, arent they, about this idea of that. Its just because the word sex is repeated. There may be lying about the exact reason it could be that it was banished it. It was this i that banished it. It could another could also be that another institution has been captured. I institution has been captured. I mean, i am still somewhat amazed that someone actually managed to get the internet all. Get the Internet Access at all. Yeah, really incredible of yeah, its really incredible of sort angry about that. Yeah, sort of angry about that. Yeah, well, yeah, but i mean, its a i mean, it could just be couldnt it . Just like some young member it . Staff like some young member it . Staff like someknowg member it . Staff like someknow, thinksber of staff who, you know, thinks that, you know, to acknowledge biological is the worst biological reality is the worst thing world. Therefore, thing in the world. Therefore, weve thing in the world. Therefore, wev same who hide the same kids who basically hide the waterstones, the books in waterstones, but theyll the iranian guards theyll allow the iranian guards to as weve said, to sprout there as weve said, josh, thats a different thing, different know, they different thing. You know, they understand it its understand it is, but it its all too easy to think exactly that it all too easy to think exactly thatitis all too easy to think exactly that it is 1 or 2 people who are just oh , going, yeah, no, these just oh, going, yeah, no, these are the websites. Thats what i sort is. Sort of hope it is. Yeah. No, hope no , i hope but no, no, i hope no, i hope it hope that it it is that i, i hope that it isnt because there are too many it is that i, i hope that it isrthese ause there are too many it is that i, i hope that it isrthese institutions. Re too many it is that i, i hope that it isrthese institutions. They� many of these institutions. They need to employing to look at who theyre employing. Yeah. In their sort. Yeah. Certainly in their sort of their website areas because they keep on getting the big company in trouble. Yeah. By being allowed to access the stuff unfettered. Stuff unfettered. This does keep happening doesnt so i do wonder if it does. So i do wonder if this was is the website almost because its quite an because obviously its quite an established is established organisation but is it too niche there must established organisation but is it ta niche there must established organisation but is it ta million there must established organisation but is it ta million things there must established organisation but is it ta million things that re must established organisation but is it ta million things that theyrst be a million things that they ban it . Do you know what ban before it . Do you know what i thats right. Would ban before it . Do you know what i interestings right. Would ban before it . Do you know what i interestings richeck would ban before it . Do you know what i interesting s richeck otherd be interesting to check other websites to see else websites to see what else theyve banned and whether they, websites to see what else they know, nned and whether they, websites to see what else they know, they, and whether they, websites to see what else they know, they, they whether they, websites to see what else they know, they, they ban her they, websites to see what else they know, they, they ban actualy, you know, they, they ban actual terrorist websites. Theyve actually banned so if theyve actually banned that, thats that, then i think thats incredibly censorious censorious censorial. Yes censorial is actually the correct term. Correct term. And your parents are travelling over there , but its travelling over there, but its a bit like the way twitter used to be before elon musk turned up a bit like the way twitter used to byou fore elon musk turned up a bit like the way twitter used to byou fore el the taliban have multiple but the taliban have multiple accounts can, you know, accounts and they can, you know, sell and sell taliban merchandise and thats okay. Saying double standards. Yeah, everything yeah, its absolutely everything is ridiculous. Look, after the okay. Well, look, after the break on speech nation, okay. Well, look, after the break going speech nation, okay. Well, look, after the break going spetalkingion, okay. Well, look, after the break going spetalking about okay. Well, look, after the break go corporations king about okay. Well, look, after the break go corporations ought out okay. Well, look, after the break go corporations ought to |t whether corporations ought to stay out of politics. Do not go anywhere. Who. Welcome back to free speech nation. So monzo bank is under fire after their Staff Members denied jeremy hunt, a bank account and criticised individuals such as j. K. Rowling and jacob rees mogg. Employees and jacob rees mogg. Employees at the Challenger Bank dubbed the harry potter author vile in a series of messages that have been described as extreme evidence has also reportedly emerged of staff holding gender critical beliefs in contempt. Employees have joked about starting a turf war. Lgb alliance have been accused of hate speech and other Staff Members have quit because of the stress. So to get more on this, im joined the writer and im joined by the writer and commentator james im joined by the writer and commentatorjames esses. Welcome commentator james esses. Welcome to the show. Thank so james, you thank you. So james, you broke this story about monzo , broke this story about monzo, and this is what they call a slack channel, isnt it, where people a company talk to people within a company talk to each its still each other, but its still within the parameters of the official behaviour, official company behaviour, isnt it . Is. Its isnt it . Is. Its the isnt it . Is. Its the internal it is. Its the internal Communications Channel that every member of staff can actually access. It read through actually access. It read through different have different threads that have been started and yes. As you started. Yes and yes. As you just alluded to, there were some pretty you know, things pretty you know, horrible things being on these slack being said on these slack channels manner channels about all manner of people. People. And is people. And is a people might and monzo is a people might not know its a bank. Its one of an online of these bank, its an online bank because it sounds a bit it sounds like a muppet bank or something. It doesnt sound real, very, real, does it . But its very, very popular. Now. Staff who very popular. Now. The staff who were about, you were in there talking about, you know, hateful know, branding people hateful bigots, cetera. What bigots, terfs et cetera. What kind of atmosphere does that create within kind create within any kind of company . Oh, its ironic that, you know, monzo claimed to be an inclusive welcoming space, inclusive and welcoming space, but actually what doing but actually what theyre doing is making certain groups, certain of staff feel certain members of staff feel completely and completely alienated and excluded. And problem is excluded. And the problem is this from the top down. This comes from the top down. You was sent a list of you know, i was sent a list of threads screenshots from this slack channel. I didnt choose to name individuals because i dont want to cause a pylon, but some of the individuals using terms such as terf in a disparaging were senior hr disparaging way were senior hr directors in company. And so directors in the company. And so that sets the standard for other Staff Members. That sets the standard for other stafwell,nbers. A real problem, well, thats a real problem, isnt of isnt it . If youre a member of staff, the food staff, lower down on the food chain dont chain, as it were, and you dont agree with the boss whos using terms that puts you terms like that, that puts you in position, in a difficult position, basically you to just basically invites you to just shut it . Shut up, doesnt it . Oh, completely. And thats exactly again exactly whats happened. Again ive former ive spoken to some now former Staff Members at monzo who said they to leave. They they simply had to leave. They couldnt stand being there anymore and having views anymore and having their views and vilified in this way. Now , monzo might say that, now, monzo might say that, well, these werent external communications. Havent communications. We havent put this anywhere. Whats this out anywhere. So whats the harm . You know, isnt this their harm . You know, isnt this their free speech share their free speech to just share their opinions . Do you make opinions . What do you make of that again, to the well, again, i turn to the fact that theyre alienating members we also members of staff, but we also need the impact on need to consider the impact on customers because these customers, because if these are the staff in what the views held by staff in what way treating their way are they treating their customers . Mean, customers differently . I mean, this out this whole thing came out because of public because a member of the public came linkedin posts came across some linkedin posts that putting out that monzo were putting out about month, and about pride month, and he challenged them and then challenged some of them and then he monzo staff he discovered that monzo staff were looking linkedin were looking at his Linkedin Profile frequently, and he profile quite frequently, and he put access request put in a subject access request and that there and he discovered that there were monzo staff gossiping about him on their internal channels. And prospective customer and hes a prospective customer of weve seen this a lot now. Weve seen this a lot recently for instance, recently with, for instance, Coutts Farage coutts bank and the nigel farage case where banks are effectively deciding which customers they have on the basis of their political opinions. Theres political opinions. Now theres been youve seen, been obviously, as youve seen, a from sides of a big backlash from all sides of the political spectrum, which i think is very encouraging, but why that this particular why is it that this particular ideological worldview has so infected these Financial Institutions . Is it just that the people at the top dont understand the issues . I think thats definitely part of it. But i think so much of it is just i mean, they call it woke capitalism, its it woke capitalism, but its basically virtue signalling in pursuit of profit. They think by ticking box , by ticking this box, by demonstrating that they an demonstrating that they are an inclusive , you know, employer inclusive, you know, employer and Inclusive Service provider, that them more that that will garner them more business. But increasingly , what business. But increasingly, what were seeing is them putting off customers from joining them in were seeing is them putting off custfirst rs from joining them in were seeing is them putting off custfirst place. I joining them in were seeing is them putting off custfirst place. Soining them in were seeing is them putting off custfirst place. So its; them in were seeing is them putting off custfirst place. So its going| in the first place. So its going to already is to backfire and it already is backfiring. Backfiring. Its very simplistic, its also very simplistic, isnt i think what isnt it, because i think what they that they dont understand is that progressive flag alienates progressive pride flag alienates a lot of gay people, a lot of feminists. A lot of gay people, a lot of feminists. Its seen as a very regressive thing within within activist movements. But they havent even had the debate, activist movements. But they haverthey . � n had the debate, activist movements. But they haverthey . � n hacdontiebate, activist movements. But they haverthey . � n hacdont wanta, activist movements. But they haverthey . � n hacdont want the discussion. No, they dont. Its no, they dont. And its particularly interesting that mainstream are being mainstream views are being targeted. I mean, if we at targeted. I mean, if we look at the with nigel the coutts dossier with nigel farage, some the farage, you know, in some of the things there, things that mentioned in there, brexit, majority brexit, well the majority of those voted in favour those that voted voted in favour of equally on the of brexit and equally on the gender critical stuff, we know that of the that the majority of the population country population in this country believe sex binary believe that sex is binary and immutable. To target immutable. So to target mainstream mean , what mainstream views, i mean, what hope do people minority hope do people with minority views have being views have of being discriminated against . Thats particularly strange thats a particularly strange one it one because in that dossier it mentioned nigel farage had mentioned that nigel farage had retweeted joke. Retweeted a Ricky Gervais joke. Hes quite popular. So i mean, you know, if youre going to punish jokes that punish people for the jokes that they i mean, thats they laugh at, i mean, thats thats just outright authoritarianism, it . Authoritarianism, isnt it . Subject of well, this is the subject of all of this. Who are these individuals to make these subjective moral judgements about any one of us . It flies in the face of open democracy and free speech and all the rest of it. You know, i would it. You know, and i would have thought these major thought that if these major corporations and banks had been sort the pride flag sort of flying the pride flag 15, 20 years ago when it meant something , you know, when we something, you know, when we didnt equal rights for gay didnt have equal rights for gay people, would been people, that would have been something. Something. Something. m something. Do that, did but they didnt do that, did they . And youll notice today they . And youll notice today they fly pride flag in they fly the pride flag in london dont london everywhere. They dont do it arabia, in their it in saudi arabia, in their outlets middle east, outlets in the middle east, where to be gay is illegal. And actually flag actually to fly fly that flag would difference would actually make a difference there. But they wont it there. But they wont do it because harm their because its going to harm their profits right . Because its going to harm their pro correct. Tl . Cost them correct. It will cost them money. About money. All they care about is the i think the bottom line. But i think many using past many of them are using the past failures which we can acknowledge justification for acknowledge as justification for doing doing now. Acknowledge as justification for doirthe doing now. Acknowledge as justification for doirthe is doing now. Acknowledge as justification for doirthe is theyve ow. Acknowledge as justification for doirthe is theyve gone but the problem is theyve gone way spectrum with this. Way off the spectrum with this. Now, you also broke yes. Now, you also broke a story recently about costa coffee. Us coffee. Do you want to tell us what there . What happened there . An image surfaced. Yeah. So an image surfaced. It me from it was sent to me from this costa coffee van from pride costa coffee van from a pride eventin costa coffee van from a pride event in brighton. And on was event in brighton. And on it was a cartoon character of what im going was a woman going to say. It was a woman with mastectomy scars. With double mastectomy scars. We can actually see the image there on screen. The moment. Is blue hair well for it is blue hair as well for whatever reason that is. But yes, you can clearly see yes, i mean, you can clearly see those are double mastectomy scars that was scars. And the fact that it was done pride month , you done as part of pride month, you know, a horrific know, furthers that a horrific image for a company. Its interesting, isnt it, because, you know, they de acosta claimed that this image is just about inclusivity. And theyre saying theyre being trans friendly. But the idea of double mastectomy scars, i a women i mean, a lot of women go through Breast Cancer through to Breast Cancer and they through that procedure. They go through that procedure. Its they go through that procedure. Lbs and they go through that procedure. Its and very its very painful and very traumatic. And to see the mutilation of healthy breasts, as in which is implied here as being somehow now a positive, uplifting thing, i mean, thats very insulting, isnt it . Oh yes. Its seen as just some sort of aesthetic change. Whereas, as you some have had you say, some women have had their breasts literally forced you say, some women have had their fromts literally forced you say, some women have had their fromts lite because ed you say, some women have had their from ts lite because they were away from them because they were unhealthy. But now people are given to have healthy given the option to have healthy parts removed. And parts of their body removed. And the way that these trans activists talk about, particularly female bodies, i mean, i came across one person onune online who said, well, it doesnt if somebodys doesnt matter if somebodys a trans regrets having trans person regrets having their breasts removed because they can always have implants again later stage. I mean, again at a later stage. I mean, this way talking this is the way theyre talking about body. This is the way theyre talking abo thats body. This is the way theyre talking abothats incredible. And thats quite incredible. And were young were dealing with young people here i mean, were dealing with young people here of i mean, were dealing with young people here of young i mean, were dealing with young people here of young whovean, a lot of young people whove had this and in america, this procedure and in america, some very young , you some people very young, you know, teenagers, know, were talking teenagers, you , its really not you know, its really not theres all sorts of reasons why we should oppose this, isnt there . Yes. I mean, i came oh, yes. I mean, i came across surgeon in the states across a surgeon in the states whos performing double mastectomies on girls as young whos performing double mastebut1ies on girls as young whos performing double mastebut imagine irls as young whos performing double maste but imagine whats young whos performing double mastebut imagine what message as 13. But imagine what message this is sending to a young girl who looks at cost of who looks at that cost of coffee. Van might hate their body , might hate their changing body, might hate their changing breasts. Going through breasts. Theyre going through puberty. Message to puberty. And heres a message to them if dont like a them that if you dont like a part just part of your body, you can just get mean, it is get rid of it. I mean, it is atrocious. And its again, encourage Young Children down an irreversible pathway. Irreversible medical pathway. And again, were seeing it quite a lot. I saw recently quite a lot. I saw it recently in sherman a in a ben sherman store, a photograph young woman photograph of a young woman whos had her breasts removed , whos had her breasts removed, clear scars, glamorising it, as you say. And, you know, and when youre like you say, when youre deaung youre like you say, when youre dealing girls who dealing with young girls who are going not . Going through puberty, why not . Why debate why cant we have the debate about girls are feeling that about why girls are feeling that they of they want to identify out of womanhood, out of femaleness . Womanhood, out of femaleness . Well, i mean, this is precisely it. And from a therapeutic perspective , if therapeutic perspective, if somebody is unhappy with their body, quite common, id body, which is quite common, id say of there say theres most of us out there who have some insecurities, particularly girls going particularly young girls going through puberty. The conversation should be around how instil some how can we instil some confidence some self confidence in them, some self esteem, not cutting off parts of themselves . Okay, so is there anything that we can do when it comes to these corporations and these banks to think that banks who seem to think that they can just push this particular ideological line without a discussion, without a debate, though theyre debate, even though theyre highly say highly contested and as you say , a lot of these that , a lot of these ideas that theyre are not shared , a lot of these ideas that thethe are not shared , a lot of these ideas that thethe vast are not shared , a lot of these ideas that thethe vast majorityiot shared , a lot of these ideas that thethe vast majority of shared , a lot of these ideas that thethe vast majority of the red by the vast majority of the country can a voice country. Can we have a voice against this . Is there anything country. Can we have a voice against do s . Is there anything country. Can we have a voice against do . . Is there anything we can do . Well, i think boycotting is one way to go, and that seems to have come about have naturally come about itself. I there a itself. I mean, there was a massive boycott of massive call for a boycott of costa after emerged, massive call for a boycott of c noticed after emerged, massive call for a boycott of cnoticed that ifter emerged, massive call for a boycott of cnoticed that coca colanerged, massive call for a boycott of cnoticed that coca cola ,erged, massive call for a boycott of cnoticed that coca cola , whos i noticed that coca cola, whos their owner, their share price dropped on day this all dropped on the day that this all came you know, its came out. You know, its different historic boycott different to a historic boycott which well, which tended to be, well, i dont particular country dont like a particular country political stance. Im to political stance. Im going to boycott produce from that country. Very much these country. This is very much these Companies Message companies are sending a message to us actually, they dont respect our views, our opinions. Were clearly not welcome in these with the views that these stores with the views that we have. And were to we have. And therefore, were to going and going vote with our feet. And thats that these thats the only way that these companies the companies are going to get the message because they message, because all they care about profit and nothing else. James thanks much james essex, thanks so much for joining really for joining me. Really appreciate forjoining me. Really appreciate. Appreciate it. So a spokesperson from monzo has said our ambition is to make money work for everyone , which money work for everyone, which means that we are politically neutral and personal views play no part in our policies and Decision Making , including Decision Making, including eligibility for a monzo account. Any suggestion otherwise is categorically untrue. We have a statement also from costa coffee. They said at costa coffee. They said at costa coffee we celebrate the diversity of our customers , Team Diversity of our customers, team members and partners. We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create , to environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed , free and unashamedly welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves. The mural in its entirety showcases and celebrates inclusivity so weve got more still to come on free speech nation. But first, its free speech nation. But first, wsfime free speech nation. But first, its time for the weather. Its time for the weather. Looks like things are heating up. Bob looks like things are heating up. Bob boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. For many it has been many today, though, it has been dry for some. And as we look towards the new week , this area towards the new week, this area of High Pressure will just come across uk. Very briefly, across the uk. Very briefly, bringing settled weather bringing some settled weather across the south. But back to tonights weather and showers will slowly ease becoming more confined to northern and Western Areas. Clear spells elsewhere areas. Clear spells elsewhere combined with light winds will make for quite a cool night tonight. So temperatures in rural areas dropping into mid or even low single figures. It will even low single figures. It will make for a fresh but bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around. Though we will start to see that cloud bubbling up, allowing showers to develop through the morning. Showers will be mostly across northern areas. They might creep into east might just creep into east anglia time with that high anglia for a time with that High Pressure keeping things mostly dry across the south. So feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine with highs of 22 or locally, 23 in the southeast. Now, as we go in the southeast. Now, as we go into tuesday, an area of low pressure moves in from the west. Nothing as developed as what we saw on saturday, but will bring quite a bit of cloud rain and drizzle, especially to Western Areas. A drier and brighter day areas. A drier and brighter day across the north. And as we look towards midweek, that drier and more settled weather looking to stay around with those temperatures the rise. Temperatures on the rise. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news after the break. On free speech nation should children as young as five be taught divisive theories in schools as though they are fact . Dont go welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation later in the show, im going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel. Josh howie and Jonathan Kogan help howie and Jonathan Kogan to help you deal with unfiltered you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. Please email us at dilemmas. So please email us at gbviews gbnews. Com. And we will try our best to answer your issues. Dr. Anna lutfi and the bad law project are suing the government for trying to teach children as young as five divisive issues. As families of divisive issues. As families of some of the children have come together to file a Class Action Lawsuit against the uk government and the department of education , they are for education, they are calling for personal health and personal social health and Economic Education as josh Economic Education known as josh howie, abolished in howie, to be abolished in schools and for parents to have the right withdraw their the right to withdraw their children lessons dealing children from lessons dealing with sex, health and relationships. Im delighted to say that equality and human rights barrister dr. Anna lovett joins me now. Thanks very much joins me now. Thanks very much for joining. For joining. Can i forjoining. Can i ask you firstly about whats going on in schools . Because ive seen some materials from various parents in terms of sex education, some of it has been quite shocking, actually. But i think still people deny that there is any kind of here. Kind of problem here. Think when you yeah, i think when you introduced us now the topic you talked about the department for education teachers seeing children in schools, that is not the issue. Whats the issue is that we have rogue actors who are posing as charities , what we are posing as charities, what we call the third sector. These organisations , they are organisations, they are completely unregulated. They produce the materials sometimes they produce the materials outside of the national jurisdiction. So well find, for example, certain local education authorities using materials that have been taken from the united states. S yes, and there is no states. S yes, and there is no oversight on the content of these materials. And what we are these materials. And what we are finding is that advocacy groups are choosing their own pick and mix ideas of what children should or shouldnt know. Theres no oversight. Parents theres no oversight. Parents are not really invited to be part of that discussion. And what we do see is that some of these materials clearly engage both and the both the civil law and the criminal law in terms of their suitability for children at certain age groups. So theres the element of the sexual explicit aspect. I mean, sexual explicit aspect. I mean, ihave sexual explicit aspect. I mean, i have a friend whos a parent of of she me of a boy of six. She showed me some of the materials and she said tried have her some of the materials and she saidremoved, tried have her some of the materials and she saidremoved, triertold� nave her some of the materials and she saidremoved, triertold her, her some of the materials and she saidremoved, triertold her, you son removed, they told her, you cant. Government this son removed, they told her, you cacompulsory. Ernment this son removed, they told her, you cacompulsory. So nent this son removed, they told her, you cacompulsory. So although this son removed, they told her, you cacompulsory. So although it1is son removed, they told her, you cacompulsory. So although it is is compulsory. So although it is an outside agent providing the materials seems materials, the school seems to believe government is believe that the government is making them you think making them do it. Do you think thats . Thats possible . Ive the yes, 100. Ive seen the materials myself. I think weve lost thanks to the third sector, which has now seized complete control education in this control of education in this area called psa. We have lost control of regulation in in the same manner as we would lose control if there had been a military coup and we had a hunter taking control of the schools. Were simply not allowed to have the conversation about what these materials are for, what the purpose of them is. But more important , for, what the purpose of them is. But more important, ali, we have as a nation been speaking about the uk. We have lost any discernment at about what age groups are suitable for certain kinds of materials. We simply have stopped having that conversation. All materials conversation. All materials provided by the third sector to schools are considered to be appropriate because the third sector has appointed itself experts in the area and therefore, if something is considered age inappropriate by a parent or a teacher, but but the experts, the third sector says, no, no, this is absolutely fine. That becomes the end of the conversation. And any parent, any teacher and any young person has qualms , as young person who has qualms, as we saw in the school in east sussex, where 213 year old girls raised questions about what they were taught in, theyre were being taught in, theyre actually insulted and called bigots. Yes. So its not just about the age inappropriate materials. Theres also the ideological aspect to this. So children are being and ive seen being taught and ive seen materials prove this in a materials that prove this in a number schools. Are number of schools. Children are being often outside being taught often by outside agents there are over 100 agents that there are over 100 genders or that we each have an innate sexed soul, a gendered soul. Is effectively soul. This is effectively a quasi religious belief taught as fact. Now, a couple of years ago, Kemi Badenoch stood up in parliament and say that the teaching race theory teaching of Critical Race Theory in schools the law in schools was against the law is the teaching of gender identity ideology as fact also against the law . It is. And lets be very clear this isnt just about gender identity, although that is that the parents is the issue that the parents that come have raised that have come to me have raised. But lets be very clear. The education act 1996 is very explicit. It that the promotion explicit. It that the promotion of any idea that is contentious , this is unlawful. And by , this is unlawful. And by promotion, what the statute says is that you cannot present an idea that is contentious as if it is the only idea or the only version or the only worldview available on that topic. There has to be a dispassionate, fair and nonpartisan presentation of the facts that would apply to a whole range of issues. So a teacher could say there are people who believe in are many people who believe in such gender identity such a thing as gender identity or are minority of the or there are a minority of the country people country, but there are people who most people who believe that most people dont but lets dont believe that. But lets have a discussion about that would that would be would be okay. That would be that would lawful. Would would be okay. That would be thelawful. Lawful. Would be lawful. That isnt what happening. That isnt what is happening. In cite in fact, i can i can cite materials. Favourite example materials. My favourite example is the one of gender galaxy, is the one of the gender galaxy, which about which when you talk about religious , we have a religious cults, we have a gender galaxy and one of one of the sets of materials that i saw where the gender son is circled by all of these different gender identities , little planets going identities, little planets going around. And its a huge, glorious galaxy with all of these exciting planets. And in these exciting planets. And in the background , in the distance, the background, in the distance, theres little son theres this sad little son called called the sex called the called the sex assigned at birth galaxy. Called the called the sex assigned at birth galaxy. And assigned at birth galaxy. And there are two little tiny sand planets going around that sun in the and they are the background, and they are male female. The messaging male and female. The messaging is clear, it uses is really clear, but it uses pseudoscientific like astronomical imagery to present the idea that in the universe there is the exciting galaxy thatis there is the exciting galaxy that is all these choices of gender identities. And then theres the boring male and female birth. I female assigned at birth. I mean, if you are a young person and would be or and you would like to be cool or youd interesting or youd like to be interesting or youd like to be interesting or youd be different, this youd like to be different, this is for you to is a Clear Pathway for you to have an identity that signals you out as interesting. And you out as interesting. And unfortunately, we know as james my dear friend james, who was just on now, as he pointed out, we know that this is this links children into pathways social and medical which are irreversible and which do result in mutilated bodies to what extent are the likes of stonewall and mermaids responsible for this . You know, those those are two groups that believe gender groups that do believe in gender identity ideology. They are effectively groups effectively religious groups now. But remember seeing a now. But i remember seeing a leaked presentation from mermaids, which was a training presentation in which they showed a spectrum of male and female , according to barbie, on female, according to barbie, on one end of the spectrum and 6. 1. One end of the spectrum and gi. Joe on the other. Basically reinforcing what i would say are 19505 reinforcing what i would say are 1950s stereotypes of what it means to be male and female to young people. Is that the problem . Yes. I mean , stonewall and yes. I mean, stonewall and mermaids are 2 2 actors. There are many other charities as well. We need to understand as a country the relationship that they have with the department for education , why the for education, why the department for education is consulting such people and not consulting such people and not consulting with a consulting people with a different view. But there is another issue here, that another issue here, and that is the gender to the equality act. 2010 has a list of protected characteristics on the basis of which you cannot discriminate. One of those characters, mystics, is gender reassignment. As a lawyer , the only way i can as a lawyer, the only way i can know what gender reassignment actually means in law is if i go to something called the gender recognition act 2004, which makes it clear that that is a procedure that is available only to persons of 18 and over right 7 to persons of 18 and over right . So therefore, the question is why have mermaids and stonewall decided to redesign the law . According to their fantasy world, where gender reassignment is a process that is something that anybody at any age, even in the womb , can engage in and, you the womb, can engage in and, you know, anybody who questions that is a bigot and youre not allowed to raise very basic safeguarding concerns about what might happen to somebody under the age of 18 who starts the process interfering with process of interfering with their biology. People are going to be astonished by this because stonewall been accused in stonewall has been accused in the representing law stonewall has been accused in thethey representing law stonewall has been accused in thethey rep like nting law stonewall has been accused in thethey replike it ng law stonewall has been accused in thethey replike it to law stonewall has been accused in thethey replike it to be. Law as they would like it to be. What theyve done. Now, how can that the now, how can that be the case . The case . And why hasnt the government it . Government called them up on it . And so embedded . And why are they so embedded . I mean, the snp mean, certainly in like the snp , in the Welsh Government, they seem much embedded. I seem to be very much embedded. I mean, the Welsh Government is pushing of mean, the Welsh Government is pushi|kinds of of mean, the Welsh Government is pushi|kinds of programs of mean, the Welsh Government is pushi|kinds of programs which these kinds of programs which teach gender ideology as though it is fact. It is fact. Well, because we live in a society which is only society which is not only anti intellectual , which means anti intellectual, which means that sound soundbites rule , but that sound soundbites rule, but we live in a society that is also driven by repetition of slogans and mantras. If you Say Something often enough, it becomes reality. As a lawyer, it doesnt matter to me what people say. Its what the law puts into black and white it and im finding that even lawyers, even government ministers, are disregarding the black letter of the law and they are simply repeating mantras that you hear on social media. Trans women are women, you know, gender identity is a protected characteristic. These are not these are not legal matters. These are not legally based arguments. They legally based arguments. They are mantras. They are advertising slogans. And they are adopted by powerful corporations in order to promote hencote ways of life and products that profit them. Of course, activists would say. But, you know, at school with young people, its very important them that if important to teach them that if children with children are struggling with their gender if children are their gender or if children are gay or are from a Minority Group that they need protecting that they do need protecting and they to be shown that we they need to be shown that we live inclusive world. What live in an inclusive world. What would you say to that . Say we struggle would you say to that . A say we struggle would you say to that . A of ay we struggle would you say to that . A of things, we struggle would you say to that . A of things, butstruggle would you say to that . A of things, but we ggle with a lot of things, but we cannot a society adopt cannot as a society adopt a position where we say anything that struggle with, society that you struggle with, society will your , your, your, will embrace your, your, your, your desire to be something other than you are. Because if thatis other than you are. Because if that is true, many young People Struggle suicide ideation. Struggle with suicide ideation. So we affirm so therefore we should affirm suicide in young people wherever somebody wishes to self harm. Anorexia who wish to, you know, starve themselves to death, or people wish to their people who wish to cut their arms are arms with razor blades are expressing an inner struggle and an idealistic notion of escape from their reality. It is not the business of schools to facilitate that self harm and we have to be, as a country and a culture and as a moral society, discerning about what we embrace, what we encourage and what we dont. The fact that a child is struggling is not in and of itself justification for the entire society to facilitate a pathway to self destruction. So it looks like from your perspective, the law is the way through this thats going to just challenging it in the courts, clarifying the law, all of that and the law is clear. Courts, clarifying the law, all of that and the law is clear. We of that and the law is clear. We dont even its already clear. Clear. Yes. Its very clear. Yes. I believe rule of law. Believe in the rule of law. Unfortunate many of my colleagues in the Legal Profession seem have profession seem to have abandoned that and it abandoned that idea and find it quite fashioned. But i quite Old Fashioned. But i believe rule of law and believe in the rule of law and i believe in the rule of law and i believe that gender believe that the gender recognition very clear believe that the gender reco gender very clear believe that the gender reco gender reassignmentzar believe that the gender reco gender reassignment is believe that the gender recogender reassignment is a that gender reassignment is a process that is available for people of 18 or over, and anybody promoting the idea that theres something other that the law says that theres something called gender identity. And you called gender identity. And you can at age three, age can have it at age three, age five, age seven, age nine is a liar. And the question we should be why are they lying . Be asking is why are they lying . And the old and i would say the Old Fashioned motive is one fashioned profit motive is one particular avenue that we particular Fuller Avenue that we could go down, but there may be others as well. And i find those very sinister very quickly. Dr. Luft , how can people dr. Luft, how can people support bad law project . Go to our website. We also have a case that parents are bringing against the department for hold the for education to hold the department for education to account for the fact that has account for the fact that it has neglected address this issue. Account for the fact that it has neglthatj address this issue. Account for the fact that it has neglthat has address this issue. Account for the fact that it has neglthat has resultedthis issue. Account for the fact that it has neglthat has resulted ins issue. Account for the fact that it has neglthat has resulted in lotsue. Account for the fact that it has neglthat has resulted in lots of and that has resulted in lots of young people self harming socially transitioning, sometimes medically transitioning. Have case sometimes medically tran can ning. Have case sometimes medically tran can find. Have case sometimes medically tran can find the have case sometimes medically tran can find the crowdfunderse sometimes medically tran can find the crowdfunder at you can find the crowdfunder at asleep at the wheel. Democracy 3. Org. Please support us because the parents need protection from cost risks. Dr. Anna lovely, thanks very much for joining dr. Anna lovely, thanks very much forjoining us. Thank you much for joining us. Thank you very much. You. So after the break thank you. So after the break on free speech nation is the Climate Change debate being censored . Censored . Dont go anywhere. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation investigative journalist kit clattenburg has written an article for unherd claiming that wikipedia and the uk government are attempting to censor the climate debate and that pandemic era disinformation tactics are being restored. So is open being restored. So is open debate under threat . Kit debate under threat . Kit clattenburg joins me now. Clattenburg joins me now. Welcome to the show , kit. Can welcome to the show, kit. Can i start by asking you about your article . What is actually going. On okay, sure. So in mid 2022, there was a Communications Project was launched very, very quietly , i might add, under the quietly, i might add, under the auspices of United Nations sustainable, Sustainable Development goal 13, which is to take urgent action to combat Climate Change and its impact. This is a concerted effort to police wikipedias most viewed entries related to Climate Change. So they reflect un approved perspective on Climate Change and how it can and should be dealt with by individuals and governments and organisations like the un. There is an like the un. There is an official press release which got no coverage in the mainstream media, which talks about how paid editors will work with un approved experts to ensure that internet search results reflect what the un wants them to say , what the un wants them to say, which is deeply disconcerting. Which is deeply disconcerting. There is a broad near consensus that Climate Change is happening, but how this should andindeed happening, but how this should and indeed can be responded to is far from settled. But the un is far from settled. But the un appears to believe that it is possessed of all the facts on that front. I mean, its incumbent to note that at a World Economic Forum Panel Discussion last autumn , a high discussion last autumn, a high ranking un official named Melissa Fleming was openly boasting about how the un was directly coordinating with major tech firms and social Media Networks to ensure that yes , networks to ensure that yes, only un approved narratives and un approved content are in respect of Climate Change and the covid 19 pandemic was seen by users. You know that that is deeply troubling because as we as we saw over and over again throughout the pandemic , the un throughout the pandemic, the un and the World Economic forum, along with the world health organisation, they were far from dispassionate, objective purveyors of science. They engagedin purveyors of science. They engaged in direct advocacy for measures like lockdowns and School Closures , ltns and other School Closures, ltns and other once in a lifetime. Hitherto unproven and untested measures as the efficacy of which was far from clear and, you know, as we are seeing increasingly now, there was recently a Scottish Government report which found that lockdowns were completely useless and inflicted misery completely needlessly on on residents of scotland. The British Governments own investigation into covid 19 isnt over yet, although mike hancock, with tears in his eyes, did say that we didnt lock down hard enough and quick enough and that next time , because he knows that next time, because he knows therell time we will. Therell be a next time we will. So, mean, putting all these so, i mean, putting all these facts together, its quite clear that the lessons of covid have actually not been learned. And governments are gearing up to do the now what underlines the same. Now what underlines that more starkly is that that even more starkly is that a few months ago theres an organisation known as the institute for Strategic Dialogue , the isd. This is a counter disinformation organisation which receives funding from a variety of western governments and foundations such as bill and melinda gates. I think theyre melinda gates. I think theyre divorced now. And so in theory divorced now. And so in theory they are tasked with rooting out disinformation narratives on and offline and purveyors of them. I mean , in reality this amounts to mean, in reality this amounts to an arms length state censorship. It it will seek to marginalise and ostracise and demonise anti establishment perspectives on particular topics in keeping with the interests and objectives of its funders. Now very bizarrely, in march 2020, right when the British Government passed the coronavirus act and the uk went into lockdown, isd was given a contract to track how covid was being exploited for the purposes of disinformation by extremist actors. Quite clearly, the actors. Quite clearly, the British Government thought that this was absolutely inevitable for reasons unclear and it very quickly started publishing reports which found a clear synergy between far right perspectives and any and all criticism of lockdown or or indeed other coronavirus prevention, preventative measures such as vaccine passports and mandates , which passports and mandates, which were highly controversial. It were highly controversial. It was quite clear that the purpose here was to bludgeon people into accepting these measures while demonising anyone even questioning their necessity, of which there are a large number of completely non extreme people at the time. I mean, isd went so far in as to in december 2021 when coincidentally the British Government was mulling yet another covid lockdown to pubush another covid lockdown to publish a report claiming that people who people who opposed mask mandates and vaccine passports were a terrorist risk. You know, this particular im sorry, im going to have to interrupt you. Im afraid i wish we had much more time, but we actually dont. But youre the only guest ive whos only had one ive ever had whos only had one question. We will come back to it, no doubt, in some other week, because theres an awful lot it lot to explore there. But it is time break. Please time for a quick break. 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Immigration minister Robert Jenrick says around 50 people will enter the vessel in Portland Port in dorset. This week. Mrjenrick Portland Port in dorset. This week. Mr jenrick says Portland Port in dorset. This week. Mrjenrick says increasing week. Mr jenrick says increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan. Thats despite the plan. Thats despite concerns from the Fire Brigades Union over the vessel initially designed to house around. 200 designed to house around. 200 people. Meanwhile, shadow people. Meanwhile, shadow immigration minister Stephen Kinnock says a Labour Government would still have to house migrants in barges for short penods migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases. A backlog of asylum cases. A Labour Government would also continue to place Asylum Seekers in former military bases for up to six months. 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This is gb news across uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now though, back to free speech nation. Free speech nation. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. So lets get some questions from our audience. Our first question is from stephen, where is is from a stephen, where is stephen . Hello. Hello should you face should you face Police Action from a leaflet, a leaflet . Leaflet, a leaflet . Okay. So this is a david davis welsh secretary whos been reported to police over this leaflet , and it reported to police over this leaflet, and it was considered well, the leaflet was entitled gypsy well, the leaflet was entitled gypsy and traveller site coming to your area soon. Josh is that offensive . Well, it depends on how good a film it is. Yeah. A film it is. Yeah. I mean , its is the yeah. I mean, its is the phrase gypsy and offensive because i hear on some websites which i check, they say this is a legitimate term for a certain community. Other people say its a slur, its kind of difficult, isnt it . Well, yes , it is difficult, well, yes, it is difficult, but there a group of people have been upset by this. Been upset by this. The implication is there the implication is that there terrible people. And why would anybody them near them . Anybody want them near them . Implication the leaflet. Implication p i thats the implication of the leaflet. Would so of course they would deny that that was what were that that was what they were implying. That that was what they were implyin and labour have sort of but and labour have sort of also come out and said well there are , you know people have there are, you know people have a legitimate claim both ways to look at it. So but its about the sensitivity of the language and theres nothing wrong with not so you think . So what do you think . Jonathan questions jonathan so one of the questions on the leaflet was, would you like to a traveller site like to see a traveller site next your house . Next to your house . Would would i . Would you would i . Would you would i . Im putting you on the spot. No, fair. Tell me no, thats not fair. Tell me tell think tell me what you think about that. Is it that offensive . Mean, is. I offensive . Mean, is. I guess offensive . Mean, is. I guess the i mean, it is. I guess the implication would you is implication is that would you is that want to. That you dont want to. Thats kind of its so thats kind of why its a rhetorical so thats kind of why its a rhe yeahl so thats kind of why its a rhe yeah , its rhetorical, but so thats kind of why its a rhewouldnty rhetorical, but so thats kind of why its a rhewouldnty rhetitsal, but so thats kind of why its a rhewouldnty rhetits like ut so thats kind of why its a rhewouldnty rhetits like you you wouldnt ask. Its like you wouldnt ask if you werent trying suppose. So is goes yeah , but, but so it is goes yeah, but, but i i mean you could say i dont, i mean you could say that particularly kind, that its not particularly kind, but i think is but i dont think that is illegal it or no. Illegal is it or no. Think the accusation well i think the accusation is. Is of racism. Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah, right, right. Okay. And that illegal because that would be illegal because its that would be illegal because ifs and that would be illegal because its and its. Thats its in print and its. Thats a hate crime. Would be i dont think it would be illegal. Question i dont think it would be illeisal. Question i dont think it would be illeisal. Fair question i dont think it would be illeisal. Fair shoulduestion i dont think it would be illeisal. Fair should we tion is, is it fair to should we be bothered kind of thing bothered with this kind of thing or do you think merits investigation . Think they should look at i think they should look at it, but then its raymond. Shes someones out. Think its someones come out. I think its brave come said that brave has come out and said that the wasting brave has come out and said that the time wasting brave has come out and said that the time this asting brave has come out and said that the time this stuff] their time looking at this stuff. Sure its a tricky one. It is a tricky one. Okay, well, well get another question from wheres linda . Where from linda. Wheres linda . Where are linda no, there are no are you . Linda no, there are no lindas in here. Okay emma. Emma. Emma all right, lets go for emma instead. Emma instead. Emma . Emma . Thats my mums name. Funnily enough, but. Well, there we go. Enough, but. Well, there we go. The psychic element going on. Enough, but. Well, there we go. Absolutely element going on. Enough, but. Well, there we go. Absolutely. Element going on. Enough, but. Well, there we go. Absolutely. Absolutely. Ing on. Enough, but. Well, there we go. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay|. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay good evening. Why are Political Parties calling . Why . Why parties calling . Why . Why Political Parties calling for under eighteens to have access to puberty blockers . Okay. Puberty blockers. Well, okay. Puberty blockers. Well, this is to do with sinn fein, of course. So sinn fein have called for new legislation for Northern Ireland to guarantee that puberty blockers will be available young teens even available to young teens even after whats happened in scotland, even after whats going on. Why dont these Political Parties see whats going on and. Well, my question is, what does available mean . Does that mean just mean that, like anyone who just asks can immediately asks them, can immediately get them or there has to be . Its notyeah, not them or there has to be . Its not yeah, not clear. It yeah, its not clear. But it feels have feels as though sinn fein have sort of been by this sort of been caught by this ideology when ideology as well. Yes. And when a party gets caught by a Political Party gets caught by the to cease sort the ideology, they to cease sort of theyre to. Of function as theyre meant to. And they just become conduits. Of function as theyre meant to. And theymentionedne conduits. Of function as theyre meant to. And theymentioned scotland. Ts. Of function as theyre meant to. Ancbuteymentioned scotland. Ts. Of function as theyre meant to. Ancbut thatsioned scotland. Ts. Of function as theyre meant to. Ancbut thats completelyind. Ts. Of function as theyre meant to. Ancbut thats completely blown but thats completely blown up in their face, essentially, right . Yeah wrong right . Totally. Yeah wrong language, mate. What do you what language, mate. What do you what do you think about that . I mean, isnt it weird , do i mean, isnt it weird, do you think. I think its brilliant. You think. Think i think its brilliant. You think. Think i hilarious. Brilliant. You think. Think i hilarious. Bithinkt. I think its hilarious. I think sinn and by sinn fein being captured and by this ideology , finally were this ideology, finally were going to be i mean , you know, a going to be i mean, you know, a trans rights activist is going to be taking this to the next new level. Its if anybody new level. Its like if anybody can sort of fight either way. I mean, have they finally met their match, the two of them . Be strange its going to be very strange , the , isnt it, in terms of the northern political Northern Irish political climate, if youve sinn climate, if youve got sinn fein that by this that are captured by this very reactionary ideology , youve got reactionary ideology, youve got the dup captured by a very different type of captured by trans well. Yeah, trans ideology as well. Yeah, well, well, look , well, okay. Okay. Well, look, well move from because well move on from that because its. Anyway, were its a minefield. Anyway, were going to question going to go on to question a question wheres question from donald. Wheres donald . Lucy . Weve got none of the names right tonight were just guessing the names. Doesnt matter. M atter. Matter. Ill call you what i want. Ill call you what i want. Right, donald, whats all right, donald, whats your question . Hiya my question is, do hi. Hiya my question is, do you the english you think that the english curriculum male and stale . Okay, lucy , thats a very okay, lucy, thats a very good question. And this is good question. And this is because of alans school in dulwich, named after edward. Alan wasnt the actor. And alan wasnt the actor. And theyve been told to study books by various writers. Theyre expanding. They dont want pale male and stale novelists. They want lgbtq novelists. Well, does that effectively saying they dont want novels from white old men basically isnt that a little bit a little bit on the racist side . Is that not . Well well, thats isnt it . Thats the question, isnt it . You know, spoke french. You know, you spoke french. I hate the french, but thats not racist. I dont. Racist. I dont. So this is an odd isnt racist. I dont. Because s an odd isnt racist. I dont. Because basically isnt racist. I dont. Because basically school racist. I dont. ibecause basically school racist. I dont. i mean,e basically school racist. I dont. i mean,e read ally school racist. I dont. i mean,e read a ly school racist. I dont. i mean,e read a statementyol is i mean, i read a statement from headmistress. Oh no. So from the headmistress. Oh no. So the english at the the head of english at the school. So what were saying. Yeah, she was using school. So what were saying. Yeathe she was using school. So what were saying. Yeathe buzzwords, she was using school. So what were saying. Yeathe buzzwords, alle was using all the buzzwords, all the jargon. Saying jargon. So its saying we dont want children with want to inculcate children with sort heteronormativity sort of cis heteronormativity and all this sort of its like, come on, what about indoctrinating with, like, indoctrinating them with, like, good good novels. Good novels . Yeah, good novels. That would be great, wouldnt good novels . Yeah, good novels. When nould be great, wouldnt good novels . Yeah, good novels. When i uld be great, wouldnt good novels . Yeah, good novels. When i was be great, wouldnt good novels . Yeah, good novels. When i was at great, wouldnt good novels . Yeah, good novels. When i was at school,nouldnt it . When i was at school, we read apart as an read things fall apart as an african novel. Was a really african novel. It was a really eye opening experience part eye opening experience to a part of the world and a different time thats what novels do. Time that thats what novels do. They transport you . Yes, exactly. Idea that one exactly. But the idea that one is worthier than other is ridiculous. Yeah. And you know, if were focusing so much on Group Identity it comes identity when it comes to literature, were missing what is important about literature literature, were missing what is initortant about literature literature, were missing what is init speaks bout literature literature, were missing what is init speaks universaliture literature, were missing what is init speaks universal truths. That it speaks universal truths. It connects to the human experience. Yeah, experience. And yeah, it shouldnt focussed on whos. Its mad, isnt it . Okay, well a question from well get a question now from jasmine. Wheres jasmine . Oh jasmine. Wheres jasmine . Oh ishmael is ishmael. As i say , im just guessing as i say, im just guessing tonight and youre going to have tonight and youre going to have to go with it. Ishmael, whats to go with it. Ishmael, whats your question . Yeah he looks like a jasmine, to be honest. Like a jasmine, to be honest. Im ishmael. Like a jasmine, to be honest. Im ishmael. Yeah. The im ishmael. Yeah. The question is, should provocative posters be censored . Yeah. So this is an interesting one coming from a comedic background, the Edinburgh Fringe , of course, just started the other week and there have been all these posters being put up and theyve been taken down and some have been some performers have been and some performers have been and some getting some producers are getting in trouble because, well, things like bear torso with like there was a bear torso with a feather of posters. A feather on one of the posters. There bare buttocks on there were some bare buttocks on another its another poster. I mean, its hardly kind of the market. Assad and the fringe is meant to be quite edgy. Its a fringe. Yeah. Yeah. Its literally fringe. Its literally the fringe. Thats on. Its literally the fringe. Thaits on. Its literally the fringe. Thaits edge on. Its literally the fringe. Thaits edge. On. Its literally the fringe. Thaits edge. Yes, on. Exactly. But is this just suggestive that fringe become that the fringe has become really, now . Really, really mainstream now . Mainstream, well, its not mainstream, but self censor. Yes. And but its self censor. Yes. And thank. And its a its a thank you. And its a its a real risk. And this is after last year where you had Jerry Sadowitz basically being cancelled from his event and very few if people dont know Jerry Sadowitz, a very famous scottish comedian and magician and very much on the fringe, very the fringe , very very much on the fringe, very offensive, controversial act, comic genitals on stage. Well, there was an he always gets his general something wrong with that i do that on headliners weve just were headliners weve just you were just interval just doing it in the interval but the is very but but the point is that very few comics actually stood for him. Yes, m m right. And if yes, thats right. And if were same were going to see the same thing here, its thing playing out here, its just steps to just ever increasing steps to seeing the lifeblood being taken out of what makes the things great in first place. Out of what makes the things gre kind first place. Out of what makes the things gre kind understand because out of what makes the things greiseen understand because out of what makes the things gre iseen genuinely|nd because ive seen genuinely shocking shows at the fringe over the years, grateful you came. Yeah, was a good show. Yeah, it was a good show. Josh it was really good. I mean, i deeply offended. I was offended deeply offended. But, you thats part of but, you know, thats part of it. Fringe it. And why is it if the fringe is become puritanic , is going to become puritanic, you know, theyre you know, if theyre going to say, know if the you know, if theyre going to say, horror know if the you know, if theyre going to say, horror jerryyw if the used shock horror Jerry Sadowitz used some offensive language and, you know, exposed himself, you cant use colourful imagery in the arts and where you well, arts and where can you well, exactly. But when have exactly. But also when you have a of that whos a comic of that standing whos so and has his show so respected and has his show cancelled. Yeah you know, i mean, its unbelievable. By the venue, by the its by the venue, by the way, not just all the activists. Venue themselves the venue themselves said he doesnt our values. Doesnt represent our values. That phrase , you know, of comedy. Right . Right . Right . Yeah, thats right. He told too jokes. That was the too many jokes. That was the problem. Theres something really going in really weird going on in the industry. With industry. And we had it with at the as with the stand as well with joanna cherry. Shes a politician who cherry. Shes a politician who was doing a q and a at the stand comedy because some was doing a q and a at the stand comedy of because some was doing a q and a at the stand comedy of staff because some was doing a q and a at the stand comedy of staff , because some was doing a q and a at the stand comedy of staff, iecause some was doing a q and a at the stand comedy of staff, i think, some members of staff, i think, complained and said, well, we dont her views, they dont like her views, they cancelled legal cancelled it. It was only legal action that got them to. And the thing yeah. And the sad thing is that stand is one of the that the stand is one of the best in country best comedy clubs in the country , pleasance. Done , the pleasance. Ive done a couple pleasance couple of shows at the pleasance. Always theyre. Theyve always been theyre a great and to see them great venue and to see them destroying. Yeah, destroying themselves. Yeah, its upsetting. Its very , very sad indeed. Its very, very sad indeed. Okay, look , weve got a okay, well, look, weve got a question well , fingers question now from well, fingers crossed. Is it julia . Yay yay, yay julia , you shouldnt get a julia, you shouldnt get a round of applause for that , for round of applause for that, for getting the name right. Thats getting the name right. Thats like the level of the show. Like the level of the show. Okay, julia, whats your question . Question . Jk rowling has recently been cancelled yet again by a museum in seattle. How do we put an end in seattle. How do we put an end to this misogyny . Yeah, its going on and on, isnt it . Its absolutely out of control. And this was the museum of pop culture, right . Would control. And this was the museum of po thoughtz, right . Would control. And this was the museum of po thoughtz, righpotterwould control. And this was the museum of po thoughtz, righ potter isyuld have thought harry potter is quite insignificant. I would say. And so, julia, you describe it as misogyny. It is, isnt it . I mean , it could be. That could be mean, it could be. That could be the explanation, right the only explanation, right . Explanation. The only explanation, right . Then explanation. The only explanation, right . Then what explanation. The only explanation, right . Then what do lplanation. The only explanation, right . Then what do i lanation. The only explanation, right . Then what do i mean, n. The only explanation, right . Then what do i mean, look so then what do i mean, look and this is a really weird one because the museum, whoever the curator a statement curator is, put out a statement. It was this really essay. It was this really long essay accusing her of bigotry , hate, accusing her of bigotry, hate, usual stuff, hate transphobia , usual stuff, hate transphobia, hatefulness, fat shaming. Yeah. Hatefulness, fat shaming. Yeah. Are the goblins, like, really thin or something . No, they are there are people, the goblins, arent they . Thats the whole thing theyre representing. What do thats the whole thing theymean . Esenting. What do you mean . The beebs. Our people are the beebs. Our people are the beebs. Yeah, well, what yeah, well, thats what the trans. Trans activists say. Yeah, they say that its but yeah, they say that its anti semitic. Anti semitic. Represented in i like being represented in the true. The media. No thats true. The goblins people said so the goblins people said thats because they thats anti semitic because they remind us of jewish people. Thats anti semitic because they remin so s of jewish people. Thats anti semitic because they remin so isnt ewish people. Thats anti semitic because they remin so isnt the ;h people. Thats anti semitic because they remin so isnt the anti semitism yeah. So isnt the anti semitism with the people who think that gobuns with the people who think that goblins look like jewish people . They have yeah, but they did have yamakas well, they yamakas on as well, so they absolutely didnt. Absolutely didnt. I should emphasise why fat shaming of all things. Just why anything. That well, just why anything. That essay its absolutely essay i read it. Its absolutely ridiculous. Written course ridiculous. Written of course by he which makes no sense as he they which makes no sense as an anyway and an identity for anyway and singular and plural. Yeah and so theyre leaving the exhibits theyve got the scarf and theyve got the scarf and theyve the other geeky theyve got all the other geeky stuff they so stuff but they are, they so theyre leaving of that theyre leaving all of that stuff, away stuff, but theyre taking away the of them. This the her ownership of them. This all came from her brain when she is the person who did this, wrote this as a single mum, is the person who did this, wrote iliis as a single mum, is the person who did this, wrote it in as a single mum, is the person who did this, wrote it in a. A single mum, is the person who did this, wrote it in a cafengle mum, is the person who did this, wrote it in a cafe ,gle mum, is the person who did this, wrote it in a cafe , referred|, is the person who did this, wrote it in a cafe , referred to wrote it in a cafe, referred to her you know who. Yeah has her as you know who. Yeah has donated millions to charity, has increased single handedly increased single handedly increased literacy amongst young people. Its absolutely bonkers that shes held up as this hate figure when all shes done is put good out into the world. Yeah, absolutely. Josh i think thats a fantastic thing to say and im i guess its not. Yeah. Yeah. And im getting a bit sick of it as well because i kind of think like exactly what you said because actually said because she hasnt actually said anything bigoted. Its transphobic or bigoted. Its a collective fantasy that these people are engaged in. Its absolutely ironically. Yeah, ironically. Exactly she really, really outrageous. Okay. Well ill after the break on free speech nation , im going to be speech nation, im going to be talking libraries. Talking about woke libraries. You want miss that. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation. Nation. One of the strangest developments of the culture war has been the rise of authority. Korean librarians. It sounds ridiculous, doesnt it . Surely librarians are there to support education and enable the education to and enable the dissemination literature and dissemination of literature and knowledge. It was knowledge. But this week it was reported that the Library Service in Calderdale Council has hiding books by has been hiding books by feminists such as helen joyce and kathleen stock. The labour run council confirmed that although these books would still be in the catalogue and they could be requested added, they were quote, not visible on the Library Shelves as this is very odd. Now ive read the books in question by both helen and question by both helen joyce and kathleen stock they kathleen stock and they are rigorous, and rigorous, intelligent and important concerning one important studies concerning one of the key issues of our time. Of the key issues of our time. And yet these librarians are treating them as though are treating them as though they are toxic, if members of the toxic, as if members of the pubuc toxic, as if members of the public who happen upon them while might somehow be while browsing might somehow be instantly corrupted and yet we shouldnt really be surprised at all. The rise of woke librarians is, however ludicrous that sounds is a real thing. Now i should say from the outset that ihave should say from the outset that i have nothing against librarians. Some of my best friends are librarians , but friends are librarians, but there is something about the profession that seems to attract the kind perturb annalistic the kind of perturb annalistic pharisee who believes that its their job to protect others from wrongthink. Let me give you some other examples. So a few years ago it was reported that the former poet laureate ted hughes was included on a watch list created by the British Library because of a Family Connection with a slave owner. Turns out the connection was false and the library issued an apology. But why was the foremost library in the uk creating this kind of watch list in the first place . Well it was because in the wake of the killing of george floyd, the commissioned the library had commissioned what they called decolonising what they called a decolonising work group, which decided that they should review the collections and draw up a list of any authors with problematic pasts. This of any authors with problematic pasts. This same group also claimed that the librarys Main Building was a monument to imperialism because it looked a bit like a battleship ship. Im not even joking. And in 2021, not even joking. And in 2021, the Waterloo Region District School board in canada identified and removed books that were considered, quote , that were considered, quote, harmful to staff and students at the same time, other School Libraries in canada were disposing of copies of harper lees novel to kill a mockingbird, and Margaret Atwoods the handmaids tale, following complaints about, quote, racist, homophobic or misogynist language and themes. And then there was the ottawa carleton District School board, which removed copies of William Goldings lord of the flies on the grounds that the themes of the book were, quote, outdated and too focussed on white male power structures. Had white male power structures. Had they even read the book if lord of the flies really is a comment on white male power structures , on white male power structures, it can hardly be said to be an advertisement. Right . And then advertisement. Right . And then of theres the whole of course, theres the whole trigger warning phenomenon when archivists college archivists at Homerton College in cambridge were engaged in a project to upload their collection childrens collection of childrens literature to the internet, they decided to flag a number of books trigger warnings books with trigger warnings books with trigger warnings books such as little house on the prairie and the water babies and various books by dr. Seuss and various books by dr. Seuss and the archivist said they wanted to make their digital collection, quote, less harmful in the context of a canonical literary heritage. That is shaped by and continues a history of oppression. But books history of oppression. But books by dr. Seuss arent oppressive or harmful , by dr. Seuss arent oppressive or harmful, even if they do contain outdated racial stereotypes. They were written a long time ago and readers understand that, of course, that hasnt stopped the estate of dr. Seuss from withdrawing a number of titles titles from sale altogether. You cant even of titles titles from sale altogether. You cant even buy them anymore. But the most revealing aspect of this story from cambridge is a statement that the archivists at Homerton College put out. They said it would be a, quote, dereliction of our duty as gatekeepers to allow such casual racism to go unchecked. Gate keepers. Now, i thought they were meant to be custodians, not gate keepers. And this is what is known as saying the quiet part out loud because really all of this behaviour is edging towards censorship for librarians and archivists to apply warnings to books or to hide them from the pubucis books or to hide them from the public is for them to say we dont think these books are good for you. We dont trust you to read these books and not to pick up bad ideas. We must up some bad ideas. We must protect you from their influence. In other words, theyre treating the public like a parent treats a small child. And we shouldnt stand for it. Even the application of trigger warnings is a problem in of itself. True, the books arent being censored, but a trigger warning buys into the false belief that words and violence are the same thing. It implies that these books are dangerous and in the wrong hands could cause trouble. And its not just cause trouble. And its not just libraries. Increasingly were seeing museum staff attempting to protect the public from artefacts that theyre meant to display. So last november , the display. So last november, the Wellcome Collection in london shut down its key exhibit one, which dated from the 17th century because it perpetuated, quote, a version of medical history that is based on racist, sexist and ableist theories and language. Now, we all know that language. Now, we all know that ethical standards change over time and that people from the past held different views from time and that people from the pasofteni different views from time and that people from the pas often viewsent views from time and that people from the pas often views thatiews from time and that people from the pasoften views that we s from time and that people from the pasoften views that we would us, often views that we would consider objectionable. So why consider objectionable. So why dont Museum Curators understand this too . Why is a museum preventing us from seeing artefacts from the past when they should be facilitating access . Why is it that so many access . Why is it that so many Art Galleries now insist on adding little labels next to paintings by great masters to say how much they disapprove of their values, as though the writers of these little sermons would have thought any differently if they had been born of ago. Born hundreds of years ago. I dont care whether you disapprove of hogarths attitudes towards minorities , i attitudes towards minorities, i just want to appreciate his work without having these soft witted puritans breathing down my neck. What were seeing here is ideological capture. Its the same reason why the Catholic Church created an index of forbidden books, which it kept updated for 400 years, right up until 1948. Its the same reason why Mary Whitehouse wanted certain tv shows banned back in the 1960s. Its the same reason why the bbc has censored scenes of old comedy shows such as Fawlty Towers on the bbc streaming service. Its the same reason why staff at publishing houses revolt when theres a new book coming out by Jordan Peterson or j. K. Rowling or some other problematic author. And when the authors arent as well known as peterson or rowling, the staff often get their way. The staff often get their way. And if you dont think any of this is authoritarian, what about the time when the body in charge elementary and charge of elementary and secondary schools in southwestern ontario authorised the ritualistic burning of books if they contained outdated stereotypes in what they described as a flame purification ceremony, all most 5000 books, including copies of tintin and asterix , were removed tintin and asterix, were removed from shelves and were destroyed or recycled because , of course, or recycled because, of course, only the most progressive people in history have ever burned books. In history have ever burned books. It sounds preposterous , books. It sounds preposterous, but the proliferation of activist arts in libraries, museums , schools, publishing museums, schools, publishing houses , the arts and the media houses, the arts and the media makes complete sense when one considers that the devotees of this new woke religion have a vested interest in controlling the limits of acceptable thought. To use their own words, they are the gatekeepers. But as adults in a civilised and liberal society , we dont need liberal society, we dont need to be coddled, particularly by people whose capacity for Critical Thinking has been stunted by ideology. See, they stunted by ideology. See, they say its for our own good. But say its for our own good. But what tyrant in history hasnt made a similar claim . So enough with the woke librarians. If activists are hiding books from you, the very best thing you can do is seek those books out and read them these petty little authoritarians will do anything to control your speech and your thoughts. Dont let them get away with it. Now elon musk has away with it. Now elon musk has said that x formerly known as twitter , will pay the legal twitter, will pay the legal bills of anyone who is treated unfairly by their employer for their activity. On his social their activity. On his social media platform, musk told users this morning that Financial Assistance from his platform would have no limits. Thats quite a claim. So to discuss this, im joined by the founder of the Free Speech Union, toby young. Toby, thank you for young. Toby, thank you for coming. This is quite an coming. This is quite an astonishing tweet. Well, we say tweet. Were not calling them tweets anymore. Exes or whatever theyre called. So elon musk theyre called. So elon musk seriously thinks that he can support all of these people that have cancelled liking have been cancelled for liking tweets for certain tweets or for posting certain tweets. Is he in earnest . Well he seems to be in earnest. I mean, i think we need a bit more clarity. Mean, more clarity. I mean, potentially game potentially this is Game Changing news. The Free Speech Union has gone to bat for dozens of people. I checked today, four dozen people in total whove got into trouble their employer dozen people in total whove got intwith uble their employer dozen people in total whove got intwith their their employer dozen people in total whove got intwith their universityemployer dozen people in total whove got intwith their university for loyer or with their university for something said something theyve said on twitter something perfectly twitter, something perfectly legal, the authorities legal, but which the authorities have or merely have disapproved of or merely like to tweet. Instance , like to tweet. For instance, were currently looking after a bestselling childrens author, gillian i think shes gillian phillip. I think shes been on your show before. She lost her job when she included lost herjob when she included in her twitter bio, the hashtag i stand with j. K. Rowling. That was enough to get fired was enough to get her fired and were helping her bring a legal case against her former employer. And were currently fundraising for that. And anyone watching this that wants to contribute fundraiser, ive contribute to a fundraiser, ive just on free just put something on the free speech just put something on the free sp speech union, which will at speech union, which will enable them to make a donation every little counts. But so this is potentially a game changer. But think we need clarity but i think we need some clarity. Or does mean from now. Or does he mean just from now on . Yes. Or twitter as it was or twitter as it was. If means as it and if he means twitter as it was, to go back was, does he mean to go back beyond april 20th, 22 when he bought it . Presumably not, bought it . Presumably not, because want take because he doesnt want to take liability for things said because he doesnt want to take liaithey for things said because he doesnt want to take liaithe platform gs said because he doesnt want to take liaithe platform when said because he doesnt want to take liaithe platform when he said because he doesnt want to take liaithe platform when he didnt on the platform when he didnt own it, had no involvement in it. But even if it is from from posts that are being liked, even from this onward, thats from this point onward, thats a major forward because major step forward because Corporations Companies seem corporations and companies seem to they just to think that they can just treat however they want to think that they can just trettheir however they want to think that they can just trettheir politicalzver they want to think that they can just trettheir political viewpoints. Int for their political viewpoints. And, you know, you say, what and, you know, as you say, what jillian not Jillian Phillips said was not just legal , Jillian Phillips said was not just legal, but a view by just legal, but a view shared by the of the public. The majority of the public. Yeah no, its absolutely. Yeah no, its critical that we do try and do whatever we can to stop this inquisition. This we have people inquisition. This we have people we call offence archaeologists going back through what people have said on their social media platforms dating years to try and find stuff to be offended by that they can complain about. We that they can complain about. We need to stop this happening in british , but need more british life, but we need more clarity. Does he intend clarity. I mean, does he intend it outside the united it to apply outside the united states, for instance, uk states, for instance, to the uk and he cant really that and he cant really mean that hell hell hell fund the law cases of anyone who gets into trouble employment. Trouble with their employment. Lets suppose youre employee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola youre employee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola and� re employee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola and you employee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola and you and|ployee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola and you and youyee trouble with their employment. Lecoca cola and you and you and of coca cola and you and you and you publish the secret recipe of coca cola on twitter. Presumably if get sued by the coca cola if you get sued by the coca cola corporation, not going corporation, musk is not going to your defence. But to underwrite your defence. But if needs needs, if he needs what he needs, i think is to is to be a bit clearer , set out what he means clearer, set out what he means exactly , and if he wants any exactly, and if he wants any help assessing which cases help in assessing which cases are deserving of his support, the Free Speech Union stands ready to step in. Weve got a four person legal department, as i say, weve looked over. We looked people. We have looked after 48 people. We have a lot of expertise and experience in coming to the defence, including the legal defence, including the legal defence people get into defence of people who get into trouble for things theyve said on any on twitter. So if he wants any help this offer help in making this offer concrete, we stand ready to help. Well if elon is watching, hopefully he is, well call him elon or mr musk. I think elon to us. Okay i think hes elon to us. Okay but thing hes thrown but the thing is, hes thrown quite a grenade out there because, put that because, i mean, he did put that tweet a sort tweet out and then he did a sort of tweet saying he of clarifying tweet saying he wasnt sue, wasnt just going to sue, he would board would go after the board of governors things. Governors of these things. I mean, First Amendment really mean, the First Amendment really matters. And he matters to americans. And he does are does seem like corporations are sort over does seem like corporations are sorso over does seem like corporations are sorso could over does seem like corporations are sorso could be over does seem like corporations are sorso could be you over does seem like corporations are sorso could be you know, it. So this could be you know, it. So this could be you know, it would just take 1 or 2 big cases, it , for cases, wouldnt it, for corporations thinking, corporations to start thinking, hang , maybe our hang on a minute, maybe our employees to have employees are entitled to have whatever views like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have thiever views like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean ews like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean ,ws like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean , if; like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean , if you like. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean , if you can;e. Yeah. Employees are entitled to have whtl mean , if you can somehow i mean, if you can somehow say sue the directors of a company, if the head of hr tries to fire someone for saying something like, i stand with jk rowling on twitter, if you can make the directors and the non executive directors liable, then that would put a stop to it. I think overnight. I mean, just just the fact that he said this i think will make a difference. People will think, crikey, i fire someone difference. People will think, criisaying fire someone difference. People will think, criisaying somethingymeone difference. People will think, criisaying something perfectly for saying something perfectly lawful on twitter, which lawful on twitter, with which i happen to disagree, if its happen to disagree, even if its a mainstream view, i could be personally sued by the second richest man in the world. Thatll give them pause for thought. Absolutely. Also absolutely. And its also reassuring the second absolutely. And its also reassurman the second absolutely. And its also reassurman in the second absolutely. And its also reassurman in the the second absolutely. And its also reassurman in the the semake richest man in the world make this so often this statement because so often we people, activists this statement because so often we commentators, e, activists this statement because so often we commentators, e, a isnt s and commentators, this isnt a real thing. No ones being fired for tweets that theyve posted or tweets theyve liked. Et or tweets that theyve liked. Et cetera. From your cetera. But, you know, from your experience speech experience with the Free Speech Union, true. It is. Its theres no question its true. And you know, people keep thinking weve reached peak woke you know, the pendulum has reached its apex its reached its apex and its beginning to swing back. But we get more requests for get more and more requests for help weve currently help every week. Weve currently got over 100 open cases. Weve gone bat for over 2000 people gone to bat for over 2000 people since we founded the Free Speech Union years this is union three years ago. This is not in any way declining and its it affects people at every level of society. People focus on the jk rowlings of this world, the Graham Linehans and yes, they do get into trouble. People try and cancel them all the time and horrible things the time and say horrible things about its about them. But actually its lower the we look lower down the scale. We look after drivers after bus drivers, train drivers , dinner ladies care workers. Those are the sorts of people that are at risk of losing their livelihoods simply for expressing what they think, although on twitter, in the although on twitter, even in the case hes case of graham linehan, hes lost awful work lost an awful lot of work because has , you know, because he really has, you know, and rowling, and you know, j. K. Rowling, as you very, rich you say, is a very, very rich and know, her sales are and you know, her sales are still fantastic , nick. Still fantastic, nick. But the truth is, you know , but the truth is, you know, most most the who are most most of the people who are cancelled say, cancelled are, like you say, ordinary people who cant they dont defend dont have the means to defend themselves, thats thats dont have the means to defend thenthats;, thats thats dont have the means to defend thenthats;, the ats thats dont have the means to defend thenthats;, the free hats dont have the means to defend thenthats;, the free speech why thats why the Free Speech Union, critical. Union, i think, is so critical. Someone said the other day a lawyer, i started it, lawyer, if i hadnt started it, someone to invent someone would have had to invent it because so many it because there are so many ordinary people who dont have the expertise the resources or the expertise to defend themselves who suddenly find their world collapsing , their careers turn collapsing, their careers turn into a dumpster fire. They dont know who turn to. And know who to turn to. And luckily, there. We can luckily, were there. We can step in. We can help them. We step in. We can help them. We can hand if can hold their hand if necessary. We can help sue necessary. We can help them sue their guide their employers. We can guide them through incredibly them through the incredibly bureaucrat , thick and bureaucrat, thick and complicated investigation process. We can make they process. We can make sure they are some kind of due are given some kind of due process and more often than not, if back in this if you push back in this well organised way with a lot of experience, a lot of legal advice, we got 50 people our advice, we got 50 people on our legal council. If you legal advisory council. If you push bully, the push back robust bully, the other side will back down. Theyll back off. Really heartening and thats really heartening to hear that do back away to hear that they do back away when theyre faced people to hear that they do back away whe|knowre faced people to hear that they do back away whe|know what ed people to hear that they do back away whe|know what theyre people to hear that they do back away whe|know what theyre talking about. Theyre bullies. So if you stand up to theyre backed down. T w thats fantastic. So given, you elon you know, assuming that elon musk in with musk doesnt step in with all this can people this money, how can people support Union Support the Free Speech Union or join union . Join the Free Speech Union . Well, go the free well, if you go to the free speech which is speech unions website, which is Free Speech Union. Org, it only costs as little as £2. 40 a month is the £2. 49. A month is the starting price to join. If you want to join for a year, its about 49. 95. Youre its about 49. 95. If youre on benefits , youre a veteran. You benefits, youre a veteran. You work in the emergency services. Its only its really its only 24, so its really cheap. If you do get into cheap. And if you do get into trouble, the value of the support you get from us is worth far more. Its like an insurance policy, but its also a way of expressing your support and a way of supporting people who get into. Even if you dont into trouble. Even if you dont think into think youre going to get into trouble think youre going to get into trotyeah, well, i think its an yeah, well, i think its an incredibly toby incredibly important thing. Toby that incredibly important thing. Toby themuch talking it so much for talking about it today. You. Today. Thank you. Thank you. And theres more still to come on free speech nation. But heres some more weather to looks like things are heating up. Up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. For few showers across the uk. For many today, though, been many today, though, it has been dry for some. And as look dry for some. And as we look towards the new week, this area of High Pressure will well just come the uk very briefly come across the uk very briefly bringing settled weather bringing some settled weather across the south. But back to tonights weather and showers will slowly ease becoming more confined to northern and Western Areas. Clear spells elsewhere combined with light winds will make for quite a cool night tonight. So temperatures in rural areas dropping into mid or even low single figures. It will even low single figures. It will make for a fresh but bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around , plenty of sunshine around, though, we will start to see that cloud bubbling up, allowing showers to develop through the morning. Showers will be mostly across northern areas. They might just creep into east anglia a time with that high anglia for a time with that High Pressure things mostly pressure keeping things mostly dry across the south, were feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine with highs of 22 or locally, 23 in the southeast. Locally, 23 in the southeast. Now as we go into tuesday, an area of low pressure moves in from the west. Nothing as developed as what we saw on saturday, but well bring quite a bit of cloud rain and drizzle, especially to Western Areas, a dner especially to Western Areas, a drier and brighter day across the north and as we look towards midweek, that drier and more settled weather looking to stay around with temperatures around with those temperatures on the rise. On the rise. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. So after the break on free speech nation, well be discussing british rowings decision to ban Transgender Athletes from womens events. Dont go welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. Well, it has been reported this week that british rowing no week that british rowing will no longer allow trans women to take part now, transgender until now, Transgender Athletes have been able to compete for Great Britain in elite british female can female rowing races. If they can prove and prove their testosterone and serum levels were below five nanomoles per litre. By this new nanomoles per litre. By this new ruling, british rowing joins cycling, swimming, athletics and triathlon in adopting similar regulations. Fiona mckenna, director of sport for fair play for women, joins us this evening. Fiona, thanks for coming so it looks like theres a long list of sporting bodies that are now coming around to this point of view that having trans identified. Male people in identified. Male people in womens sports is obviously unfair. How did it take so long . Well, i think what happened is that a few trans identifying males demanded that sports find a solution for them. And sports tried to do that and they did not think about impact on not think about the impact on women. They forgot women. I mean, what they forgot is the reason we have a female category in these sports category in all of these sports is for female bodies. Otherwise we wouldnt have female sport at all. So why did it take so long . Well, after they made those rules, women were afraid to object and weve been working on this for several years now, and were still hearing from people who afraid object. Who are afraid to object. You know, great progress. Know, theres great progress. Youve named some of big youve named some of the big sports, there a lot more sports, but there are a lot more sports, but there are a lot more sports that are still and even athletics at Grassroots Level are still letting males turn up and say, im a woman and i belong now. Its strange. I mean, i spoke to Mari Yamauchi on this show and when it and she talks about how when it comes elite sport , its comes to elite sport, its a matter and there matter of seconds here and there. Work tirelessly to close. You work tirelessly to close those gaps. But you have those gaps. But if you have someone whos been through male puberty, the advantage is insurmountable. Just is. And insurmountable. It just is. And it feels strange that it just feels so strange that the people in charge of these bodies that bodies didnt see that intuitively begin with. Intuitively to begin with. Everybody knows everybody in sport knows you male and sport knows if you have male and female , thats proof female categories, thats proof that and so the that you know. Yes and so the question is why did they think some people with male bodies needed to be allowed to come into the female category . Thats into the female category . Thats very hard to answer , some very hard to answer, some activists have said. You know, some women are but you know, some women are much bigger stronger than much bigger and stronger than other men are much other women. Some men are much bigger than stronger than other men. Therefore , these men. So therefore, these designations female designations of male and female are well , designations of male and female are well, yeah, the bigger, well, yeah, the bigger, stronger women tend to win in the womens category, but they wouldnt win in the mens category. Right exactly. Whats happened exactly. So whats happened with british rowing specifically . I believe theres british rowing and world rowing have come the same. Have come to the same. Have yet have come to the same. This have yet have come to the same. This move. Have yet have come to the same. This move. Oh,e yet have come to the same. This move. Oh, right. et have come to the same. This move. Oh, right. So made this move. Oh, right. So british have bold british rowing have been bold and in taking a lead, and courageous in taking a lead, just triathlon did , where just like triathlon did, where world moved yet World Triathlon hasnt moved yet ehhen World Triathlon hasnt moved yet either. Its its so either. And its because its so obvious that it is not fair to women and girls in the sport to have to compete against male bodies. Yes, world rowing are bodies. Yes, world rowing are going to be discussing this in the coming months. We hope the coming months. We hope theyll thing. The coming months. We hope theyll you thing. The coming months. We hope theyll you feel thing. The coming months. We hope theyll you feel like thing. The coming months. We hope theyll you feel like the g. Is do you feel like the uk is kind the lead on this . Kind of taking the lead on this . Oh yeah , theres no rather oh yeah, theres no doubt. And even at doubt about that. And even at the world level , people who have the world level, people who have been involved in taking a lead are british, like lord coe, seb coe, lead coe, whos taken the lead in world athletics. So yeah, world athletics. So yeah, i think honestly, think its partly honestly, andrew, because are more able andrew, because we are more able to speak up about this and its partly a language thing too. You partly a language thing too. You know, free is know, the free speech is a really part it because really big part of it because a lot dont realise when lot of people dont realise when you women that you say trans women that actually those are male people. Yes, people get confused. It is confusing we be able confusing and we have to be able to talk male female. To talk about male and female. And even when we meetings and even when we have meetings with governing bodies with with governing bodies of sport, that makes sport, sometimes that makes people uncomfortable. They dont want people uncomfortable. They dont warits interpreted as its interpreted as transphobic. Its its interpreted as transphobic. Its as though youre you youre being hateful if you dont affirm. But you know, thats going on here, dont affirm. But you know, thit . ; going on here, is it . I e i mean, e imean, e i mean, say , look, i no. I mean, we say, look, i dont anything dont know anything about anyones identity. I dont know how inside side. But how they feel inside side. But when someone runs onto a football pitch or jumps into a swimming pool, we know whos male and whos female. Its bodies that play sport, not identities. Identities. Its very interesting that sometimes just takes sometimes it just takes particular people particular cases to wake people up to problem. Lia up to the problem. The lia thomas case, i is very thomas case, i think is very interesting. A biological interesting. So a biological male was swimming with the male who was swimming with the mens team a long time and mens team for a long time and coming, it, 500th in coming, what was it, 500th in the overnight, suddenly the rankings overnight, suddenly became the number one swimmer because he identified as female. And those images of lia thomas right there. And of course , we right there. And of course, we saw towering over saw lia thomas towering over those female competitors on the podium. And that image , i think, podium. And that image, i think, is so striking that it is just so striking that it would have been impossible then for people to wake the for people to not wake up to the problem. Say that, andrew, for people to not wake up to the protthat. Say that, andrew, for people to not wake up to the protthat. Known at, andrew, for people to not wake up to the protthat. Known aboutjrew, for people to not wake up to the protthat. Known about forv, for people to not wake up to the protthat. Known about for six but that was known about for six months before championship months before that championship happened and they allowed months before that championship hapthomasnd they allowed months before that championship hapthomas to they allowed months before that championship hapthomas to take allowed months before that championship hapthomas to take the allowed months before that championship hapthomas to take the national lia thomas to take the National Championship College Championship in america, defeating three olympic silver medallists in that final. So everybody knows, everyone can see and one can only conclude its because theyve decided that the feelings of certain male people are more important than the impact on females. And thats what were not having anymore. So what can people do now . I mean, youre with fair play for women, so youve been obviously campaigning about this tirelessly , but what can tirelessly, but what can everyday who arent everyday people do who arent involved with Campaign Groups . Involved with Campaign Groups . The thing is to yeah, the biggest thing is to raise the alarm and that can be either in your own sport , speak either in your own sport, speak to coaches, speak to club managers. If its school sports, speak to people in school. It speak to people in school. It takes a bit of courage to do that. But if everybody does it, itll all because itll be all right, because theyre going to be accused of being bigots of being hateful. All being bigots of being hateful. Slurs all being bigots of being hateful. Slurs thrown all being bigots of being hateful. Slurs thrown in all being bigots of being hateful. Slurs thrown in theirill these slurs thrown in their direction. Is very intimidating. Well, that may happen. Youre absolutely right. But well, that may happen. Youre absolutely right. But on well, that may happen. Youre absolutely right. But on the absolutely right. But on the other hand, vast majority of other hand, the vast majority of people believe that female sports should be for female people. And so if you up people. And so if you speak up generally , youll get generally, youll get a sympathetic hearing from people in sport. Then have to in the sport. Then we have to talk to the governing bodies. And do so and thats what we do. So we also contact us also want people to contact us and us example ills and tell us the example ills that theyve experienced, where a girl or a woman is put off her own sport or doesnt feel comfortable in her own changing rooms or is losing prizes because there are males in her category and we want to know about those. About those. P o macrina, thanks so much for joining today. Really forjoining me today. Really appreciate. So after the appreciate it. So after the break on free speech nation , break on free speech nation, its break on free speech nation, wsfime break on free speech nation, its time for this weeks social sensation and our unfiltered dilemmas with comedians josh, harry and jonathan cogan. Dont go anywhere. Welcome back to free speech nation. So every week we dedicate as part of the show to the world of social media. So were going to start with this one. British airways had to think fast following a fridge malfunction on one of their flights. Okay so flight flights. Okay so flight attendants bought kfc buckets and handed out one chicken leg per passenger. And handed out one chicken leg per passenger. There we go. Per passenger. There we go. Okay. What do you make of this, josh . One chicken leg. Why not two . One chicken leg. Why not two . One chicken leg. Why not two . Its unbelievable. Stingy, its unbelievable. Stingy, isnt it . Thats got to be right. This is british airways. Yeah. Ryanair. No, this british airways. Think british airways. Ryanair would just one airways. Thosetyanair would just one airways. Those popcorn ould just one airways. Those popcorn bits just one airways. Those popcorn bits like one airways. Those popcorn bits like that ne i okay, exam okay, well , thats pretty stingy. That apparently has gone viral. But next up is this video. Host peter video. This is bbc host peter levi or levi levi , who struggled levi or levi levi, who struggled to keep straight face. Lets to keep a straight face. Lets have a look. Now. Estimated that the now. Its estimated that the bill to lincolns glory bill to repair lincolns glory hole will be anything between 60,000 and £100,000. The footpath has been closed since february , and lincolnshire february, and Lincolnshire County Council have blamed difficulties in accessing the site. Site. Now, obviously were not going to clarify what that means, but josh and i actually met at one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Its interesting though, is if he could have just styled it out, if he could have kept a straight face, no one would have. Even spotted have. I think, even spotted what had. Had been said. Well, hes someone was well, hes someone who was obviously familiar with obviously very familiar with glory all the glory holes. Yeah all the memories came flooding back. Memories came flooding back. Good times. Its a shame sometimes when you cant keep a straight when live straight face when youre live on feel the i feel for the man. I feel for the man. Ive seen yeah. So ive never seen you corpse. Well, youve laughed, corpse. Well, youve laughed, but never you but then ive never seen you just it. Just completely lose it. No, no, no. No, no, no. Well, are professional. Anyway, were going move anyway, were going to move on to. on to. Only joking t on to. Only joking. Didnt i was only joking. Didnt mean that. Lovely guy, so mean that. Hes a lovely guy, so here we gb own rory here we have gb news own rory smith earlier today. So whatever the do, can better. The bbc do, we can do better. Uh. Uh um. Uh. Uh um. Uh. Uh um. Uh. Uh um. Uh. Uh. Uh. Competitors in latvia as well as lithuania and estonia grunted and bellowed and a battle to be named the champion stag caller. They were scored on their ability to imitate the animals. Categorysk like the call of a deer. Categorysk like the call of a deer. The winner went to compete deer. The winner went to compete at the european cycling comedy in poland. I really should watch in poland. I really should watch these clips before before letting you watch them. This is gb news across uk on tv. Letting you watch them. This is gb news across uk on tv. Your gb news across uk on tv. Your car fair play to rory. I mean, that was ridiculous. I mean, that was ridiculous. I mean, that was ridiculous. That was a little bit too much. I dont know why boy much. I dont know why boy george was competing. George was competing. Oh, thats such a shame. Oh, thats such a shame. But theres an example. Sorry you know, its tough. Tough. You know, its tough. Would. H. You know, its tough. Would. I would laughed you know, its tough. That uld. I would laughed you know, its tough. That situation,uld laughed you know, its tough. That situation, i d laughed you know, its tough. That situation, i think. Laughed in that situation, i think. Yeah. Yeah. Mean, pretty its i mean, its pretty its quite as well. I mean, its pretty its quithe as well. I mean, its pretty its quithe asthing. Im sorry. The whole thing. Im sorry. It parents are here. It was. Your parents are here. Your parents are in the audience. Audience. I met them at the glory. I dont know. Kogan. Jonathan kogan. Jonathan kogan. I had pepsi. I had pepsi. Is that why youre all thats the guys name at club . The guys name at the club . No. Okay okay, okay, no. No. Okay okay, okay, look, lets move on before this gets out of control. This is part of show this is the part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered. So our first unfiltered dilemma. So our first dilemma stacey. Stacey dilemma is from stacey. Stacey says, ive just started dating this guy. I asked him if he would come and watch the barbie film with me, but he said, no, im to read the im just going to read the script online. Itll only take 20 minutes. Is it time to give him the boot . Can you get the script to barbie online . I wouldnt thought be wouldnt have thought youd be able to do that. Someones i reckon someones probably typed audio recorded probably audio recorded it and then be then typed. Its got to be there, yeah. Mean, there, right . Yeah. But i mean, thats the experience of the thats not the experience of the film. Its not the film. I know its not quite the same, very same, though. Hes a very efficient just likes to efficient guy who just likes to maximise his time spent on things or he just hates the stupid girls. I dont stupid film for girls. I dont know. A stupid film know. Maybe its a stupid film for mine. Have you. For girls, not mine. Have you. Have seen film . Have you seen the film . Have you seen the film . Havent. But me and my no, i havent. But me and my sister about sister were talking about it today came to today and it almost came to blows, so youre not blows, so. Yeah. So youre not going it . Going to go and see it . No, i might have might do. I dont know. Have i got yes. Do got time for that . Yes. Do i want maybe. Have i want to see it . Maybe. Have i seen twice . Yes. Want to see it . Maybe. Have i see there ice . Yes. Want to see it . Maybe. Have i see there icegoes. Want to see it . Maybe. Have i seetherericego. Want to see it . Maybe. Have i see there icego. Josh, want to see it . Maybe. Have i see there icego. Josh, i want to see it . Maybe. Have i seetherericego. Josh, i mean, there we go. Josh, i mean, that seems a bit well, i dont know, churlish. Just to say im not going to go and the film. E hes e e e hes a good i think hes making a good call you call there. Really . Have you seen seen it, seen it . And i have seen it, right . Not good. Its a right . No, its not good. Its a its a total mess. Its a misandrist. Yes its a little bit of that. But its just its some funny bits and its also a little and all little bit boring and long. All right. Recommendation from right. Not a recommendation from free barbie, free speech nation for barbie, im. Im afraid. 5 im afraid. A dilemma now but weve got a dilemma now from says, from chris and chris says, my best ruined my stag and best man ruined my stag and ruined everyones time. I feel like we wont be friends after the wedding. Do i strip him of the wedding. Do i strip him of his status . Yes. That sounds his status . Yes. That sounds like an odd relationship. Well, thats because as a stag he took barbie. Stag do, he took barbie. Oh, is that it was . Oh, is that what it was . Oh, is that what it was . Do . What do you do . What do you do . Have a stag i mean, did you have a stag do before you got. I did have stag theres i did have a stag do. Theres a still there a few people who are still there all right. In a peruvian prison . Yeah ive never been to a stag. Do ive never been to a stag. Do i really know . No, i wouldnt know. Want get know. I almost want to get remarried to invite remarried just to invite you along. Really . Really . Sorry. Sorry. Quite em theyre quite raucous, arent they . So youre supposed to. Youre misbehave at youre supposed to misbehave at a stag why would he be a stag do. So why would he be upset doesnt upset about that . That doesnt make sense. Upset about that . That doesnt ma butanse. Things changed. Maybe he went too far. Maybe he went too far. Youre meant to, like youre not meant to, like, the. Youre to. Like youre not meant to, likejust the. Youre to. Like youre not meant to, likejust fore. Youre to. Like youre not meant to, likejust for godsre to. Like youre not meant to, likejust for gods sake, to. Like youre not meant to, likejust for gods sake, jonathan just for gods sake, jonathan , dark everything , youre so dark in everything you say. Okay . Im full of anger , and i im full of anger, and i dont know why. Right . Dont know why. Jonathans parents. You failed. On failed. Were going to move on to final dilemma. This week to our final dilemma. This week is abby. Abby says, i is from abby. Abby says, i mentioned to workmates that i mentioned to my workmates that i like attending bottomless brunches, and now they seem to think im an alcoholic. Im so embarrassed. What do i do . So its a bottomless brunch. You dont alcohol, though , do dont drink alcohol, though, do you . Brunch. You you . A bottomless brunch. You just finger just you eat as many finger food, alcohol. Food, drink alcohol. Thats of it. Thats of it. Its a brunch. You yes, but its a brunch. You meant to have, like omelettes yes, but its a brunch. You mea stuff. Have, like omelettes and stuff. Happy. E you are so happy. Well, no, no. Youve discovered your this no. Youve discovered your this is the best thing ever. Ive never. Ive never heard of that. I didnt realise thats what of that. Do. Int realise thats what you do. E couise yes, of course it is. Yes, of course it is. Great. Its great. Its great. Should you be embarrassed . So should you be embarrassed . Well its the most middle class thing so im thing ive ever heard of, so im kind of on board. But a bottomless brunch . Kicked yeah. I actually got kicked out going to a bottomless yeah. I actually got kicked out forng to a bottomless yeah. I actually got kicked out for beinga bottomless yeah. I actually got kicked out for being naked mlessthe brunch for being naked from the waist a very. Brunch for being naked from the wai oh, a very. Brunch for being naked from the wai oh, thats a very. Brunch for being naked from the wai oh, thats a a very. Brunch for being naked from the waioh, thats a real ry. Brunch for being naked from the wai oh, thats a real elbow oh, thats a real elbow swinger, one. No. What do swinger, that one. No. What do i think . Youre meant get hammered. Bottomless. Its bottomless. Its bottomless. The whole you can the whole idea is you can dnnk the whole idea is you can drink possibly. Drink as much as you possibly. Is the is that right . That is the premise know what . something you learn something every day. That. Day. I did not know about that. But im going to attend a bottomless next bottomless brunch, abby, next week, let you know how week, and ill let you know how i but thanks i get on. But look, thanks so much for joining us for free speech the week speech nation this was the week when Great Railway when the Great Western railway decided internet decided to police the internet for its passengers. Sinn fein embraced gender ideology and elon musk said he would come to the rescue of the cancelled. Well, have if that well, well have to see if that happens. Thank you much to happens. Thank you so much to my panel happens. Thank you so much to my panel, and jonathan panel, josh howie and Jonathan Kogan and to my guests, of course, sps and luvvie kit course, james sps and luvvie kit clattenburg, toby young and fiona mckinnon. And if you want fiona mckinnon. 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