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And im going to be having Stephen Timms down the line with me to talk about what blair would do about and whether about the economy and whether labours are any good. Labours ideas are any good. Former chief secretary to the treasury under tony blair. Sir Stephen Timms joins me. Lovely to see you this morning, stephen. Lets get straight into some of the debates in todays paper about immigration Suella Braverman the home secretary basically accused keir starmer of conspiring with those trying to stop the government from stopping illegal immigration by making a reference to that flight that he campaigned to not take off that jamaica flight. Take off that jamaica flight. One of the people on the flight went to on commit a crime against somebody in the uk. Is keir starmer facilitating the retention of rapists and murderers in this country . Murderers in this country . No , i mean, Suella Braverman no, i mean, Suella Braverman is right that her plans arent working, but thats because they were very bad plans. Theyve been badly thought through. They conflict with the law in various respects, and therefore theyre not working. I mean, its understandable that shes trying to find someone else to blame. But the responsibility is, in fact, entirely hers. Fact, entirely hers. But the labour party on but isnt the labour party on the those lawyers, as the side of those lawyers, as braverman suggests . Weve a braverman suggests . Weve got a labour who Labour Councillor who is somebody that campaigns try somebody that campaigns to try and in the country and keep people in the country who dont right who perhaps dont have the right to claim asylum here. So is labour the of those labour on the side of those so called lefty lawyers that are trying the trying to thwart the governments . Is. Governments plans . Is. This is entirely the home no, this is entirely the home secretary trying to find someone else to blame for her own failures. She needs to take responsibility. Shes right. Failures. She needs to take responsibility. Shes right. Her policies are not working. She needs to fix the policies, not just blame somebody else. And whats labours solution then . Because presumably, if you think that its wrong that Suella Bravermans plans are being thwarted by anyone , that being thwarted by anyone, that by consequence means that youre quite happy to have quite robust policies to the boats, to policies to stop the boats, to stop people claiming asylum here that deserve to claim that dont deserve to claim asylum. Asylum. Yeah, we do need to stop the boats. Thats absolutely right. And the government needs to come up with plan that will up with a plan that will succeed, unlike the plans theyve put in place so far, which are which are not working. But how would you deter people . Stephen, people . Sir stephen, if now accepting we need to do that by having a better relationship with france in particular, and negotiate proper restrictions and controls at the french end. We also do need to make sure that it we also do need to make sure thatitis we also do need to make sure that it is legally possible for people who are entitled to claim asylum in the uk to come here other than coming by a boat across the channel at the moment theres no legal means for them to do it. So for example , if to do it. So for example, if theres a child perhaps from from africa whos in france, who is legally entitled to come and join their sibling, their brother or their sister, whos got asylum status in the uk, theres no way for them to do that. They need to be some routes the government has said they will introduce some legal routes. They havent done that yet. Until there are people are going to carry on desperately trying to get across the channel in these terrible small boats. That needs to be fixed and there may be an argument that weve paid millions to the french and indeed that there are already legal routes in play. But lets move on to net zero now, because thats also a theme of todays newspapers. One of my panellists the Peoples Panel panellists on the Peoples Panel there you about there wanted me to ask you about just oil. Weve seen Just Stop Oil. Weve seen greenpeace scaling the Prime Ministers home in richmond in the weve got just stop the north. Weve got Just Stop Oil now threatening to completely disrupt all of the football fixtures just about starting in the premier league this weekend. And surely this this weekend. And surely now time for labour to now its time for labour to break ties with Just Stop Oil to not take da vincis money because people are because these people are wreaking and bringing wreaking havoc and bringing misery thousands of sports misery to thousands of sports fans. Well, i think it is pretty extra ordinary that greenpeace was able to walk into the Prime Ministers home and scale the roof that was a very serious security lapse that should not have happened. But greenpeace does have a point in the arguments that its making. I do arguments that its making. I do not support the tactics of Just Stop Oil but they also have a point in the case that they are arguing and the Prime Ministers announcement that were just going to have an extra 100 licences for more oil and gas prospect in the north sea is the wrong decision. We do need with the rest of the world to tackle the rest of the world to tackle the Climate Crisis and what hes doneis the Climate Crisis and what hes done is going absolutely in the wrong direction and giving up what has until now been quite an impressive uk lead on this area. From the cop conference in glasgow and so on. Rishi sunak i think in a sort of measure of panic seems to have thrown all that away , say in the hope that that away, say in the hope that he can get a few votes by going in the opposite direction. In the opposite direction. But you were the chief secretary to the treasury under tony blair. Im wondering whether you think it is a good idea for shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves to announce £28 billion in spending on a green prosperity pledge . When we found out this week that Household Debtis out this week that Household Debt is at 2 trillion, its £71,000 per household. So surely £71,000 per household. So surely a next Labour Government, if thats going to happen, is to going be spending money cashing checks that it simply cant afford. Afford. Well , thats what we saw with well, thats what we saw with the Kwasi Kwarteng budget, which im sure youre going to ask kwasi about in a minute. When he announced indeed, huge tax cuts and no means to pay for them. But actually, rachel but i think actually, Rachel Reeves been absolutely right reeves has been absolutely right throughout all of this debate. Throughout all of this debate. And in particular, shes right to insist that everything a Labour Government will do has to be built on the rock of fiscal responsibility. Well, 28 billion spending a year isnt fiscally responsible, is it . It responsible, is it . It definitely is. Is it is highly definitely is. Is it is highly fiscally responsible. Of course, the government will continue to invest and thats always happens and needs to happen. And at the moment, we do have to rebuild the economy after this terrible stagnant lack of growth that were in at the moment. So weve got to invest, weve got to rebuild the british economy, but its got to be on the basis of fiscal responsible. And that is fiscal responsible. And that is the watchword of everything that Rachel Reeves has been saying over the last couple of years. And i very much agree with that. Why did she have to water down plans then . She looked down the plans then . She looked at and then she at the plans and then she realised that she couldnt afford not afford them. So thats not fiscally thats fiscally responsible. Thats fiscally responsible. Thats fiscally isnt it . Fiscally illiterate, isnt it . , that is fiscally no, that is fiscally responsible. Why she said responsible. Thats why she said its got to be phased in in a fiscally responsible way. And fiscally responsible way. And shes absolutely right to do that. Mr timms, if you dont mind me asking, just because it might still be on the publics conscience, that obviously you had terrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou terrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou interrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010. E happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where you jpen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where you were to you in 2010 where you were stabbed by one of your constituents iran constituents as russia and iran. Chaudhry shes in prison now ,. Chaudhry shes in prison now, and i just was researching this interview and i thought it was really interesting from your perspective that perspective as a christian that you out to her you wanted to reach out to her and she obviously nearly killed you , but you said that you you, but you said that you wanted to meet her prison and wanted to meet her in prison and perhaps the case. Did perhaps discuss the case. Did you ever make contact with her personally . Personally . Well , i personally . Well, i have been in a Restorative Justice process. Unfortunately, it seems to have stalled. I dont know why its stalled. I dont know why its got stuck in in red tape somewhere. And it didnt seem to be moving forward at the moment. But im still hoping that somebody in the ministry of justice might finally, you know, get things moving and it might be possible, but it hasnt been yet. So explain that to me, mr timms. Youve wanted to reach out to this prisoner and try and have a conversation with to have a conversation with her to try some closure, but try and get some closure, but the moj have stood in the way. Would be willing to and would you be willing to go and see in prison then, on your the. Weve been talking about that and i understood that things were moving in that direction, but it stalled for reasons that i dont understand. She actually wrote to me. She she sent me three letters. So that was sort of how this began. And im very happy to go into a process which i thought was going to lead to the possibility of a meeting. The possibility of a meeting. But but it hasnt. And im not sure whats happening now. Have you been able to forgive her . Well, i think if i met her, that may well be possible. But without some sort of communication, i dont think that would really mean anything. Okay. So Stephen Timms, thank you very much indeed for joining me this morning. You very much indeed for joining me this morning. Lots more to me this morning. Lots more to come on todays show in just a minute, ill be speaking to the immigration minister, Robert Jenrick. When the jenrick. When will the government control government take back control of our borders . Youll want our borders . I know youll want to hear his plans stop the to hear his plans to stop the boats manage the asylum boats and manage the Asylum Seeker crisis. Well have all that and more to come after the weather. Weather. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. For many today, though, has been dry today, though, it has been dry for some. And as we look towards the new week, this of high the new week, this area of High Pressure will just come across the very briefly, bringing the uk. Very briefly, bringing some settled weather across the south. But back to tonights weather and showers will slowly ease becoming more confined to northern and Western Areas. Clear spells elsewhere combined with light winds will make for quite a cool night tonight. So temperatures in rural areas dropping into mid or even low single figures and it will make for a fresh but bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around , though, we will sunshine around, though, we will start to see that cloud bubbling up, allowing showers to develop through the morning. Showers will be mostly across northern areas. They might just creep into anglia for a time with into east anglia for a time with that High Pressure keeping things mostly dry across the south. So feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine with highs of 22 or locally, 23 in the south east now, as we go into tuesday , an area of low into tuesday, an area of low pressure moves in from the west. Nothing as developed as what we saw on saturday, but well bring quite a bit of cloud rain and drizzle, especially to Western Areas, a drier and brighter day across the north. And as we look towards midweek, that drier and more settled weather looking to stay around with those temperatures on the rise. Temperatures on the rise. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on gb news robert, lovely to speak to you. Thank you for coming on. Weve heard the home secretary speaking in very bullish terms about the immigration policy and the he thinks she the fact that he thinks she thinks labour been thinks that labour have been letting that letting down the country, that keir siding with the keir starmer is siding with the lefty are stopping lefty lawyers who are stopping deportations of rapists and murderers. Talk deportations of rapists and murnoters. Talk deportations of rapists and murnot on talk deportations of rapists and murnot on action. Talk deportations of rapists and murnot on action. Roberttalk but not on action. Robert because as labour pointed out, youve sent home youve sent more home secretaries to rwanda than actual deportees. Secretaries to rwanda than act|well, portees. Secretaries to rwanda than act|well, porte well, good morning, camilla. Well, to send more well, we want to send more people we to get people to rwanda. We want to get that up and running. It that scheme up and running. It is unfortunately in is unfortunately being stuck in the courts at the moment, but thats totality of our thats not the totality of our plan. Working on many plan. Were working on many other fronts at the same time. Weve signed a brilliant deal with reduced with albania thats reduced the number from number of people crossing from albania last albania from 30. This time last year were working year to 4 today. Were working with with italy, with with france, with italy, with other make sure other countries to make sure that defences that we have stronger defences on coast and on the northern french coast and here the were it here in the uk were making it much more difficult for people to get housing to work illegally to get housing illegally and to make a life here as well of course, here as well as of course, making when illegal making sure that when Illegal Migrants do come here, they are accommodated in appropriate but simple accommodation , not the simple accommodation, not the Luxurious Hotels that members of the public are rightly angry about and want to see us get out of as quickly as possible. I know the bibby stockholm is going start taking migrants going to start taking migrants from rishi sunak. Nac from tomorrow rishi sunak. Nac mentioned two cruise ships that were used. Whats were going to be used. Whats happened to apparently no happened to them . Apparently no port wants take the migrants. Port wants to take the migrants. Theyre well , youre right to theyre well, youre right to say that the first barge will be on operational within the coming days and thats an important step forward. I hope that will be seen as a successful way of housing people, as i say , in decent. People, as i say, in decent. About the cruise ships, though . Accommodation and were in conversation. Well, were in conversation. Well, were in conversation with a number of other ports and hoping that we can secure those very soon. Its true that a couple of ports did back out , mostly because local back out, mostly because local Labour Councils like in birkenhead and in leith in edinburgh refused to support us. Okay, hypocritically, actually, if you look at the leith example, thats a Labour Council that had housed the ukrainian refugees on the same barge, the same same boat, but refused to house Asylum Seekers all the time, saying that they are a city of sanctuary and its more Asylum Seekers. Is it labours fault that your immigration policy isnt working . Then no , no. Working . Then no, no. But i think its worth pointing out that labour would be much, much worse. Labours plan would actually see large numbers of people crossing the channel even larger than there are today because they just think you can grant your way out of this problem. They think that you can make 2000 migrant crossing the channel in june. Crossing the channel in june. Well, we want to see those numbers come down. I mean, as of today , the numbers are today, the numbers are significantly lower than they were this time last year , about were this time last year, about 15 lower. But of course , thats 15 lower. But of course, thats thats just the beginning. We want to see a substantial reduction. We want to stop the reduction. We want to stop the boats and thats why were taking the measures that we are. Thats why we passed the illegal migration act. Yes. Just a few weeks ago, which is probably the most piece of legislation most okay piece of legislation on immigration in my lifetime. And Suella Braverman has talked about these leftie lawyers. There was an expose in the daily mail where they went undercover. They filmed immigration lawyers basically telling to game the telling clients to game the system. What should happen then . Because youre talking the talk lawyers, but talk on these lawyers, but should issued with even should they be issued with even bigger fines , talking about 5 bigger fines, talking about 5 of their earnings . Surely you need to find them more than that. And close them down. Well, you should be struck off as a lawyer if you flagrantly abuse the law and thatis flagrantly abuse the law and that is what i hope will happen to those solicitors and legal representatives whove been caught by the expose, by the daily mail, the Solicitors Regulatory Authority is taking action against them and their firms. Were saying that we want that to continue. We want to that to continue. We want to find individual firms appropriately. As a former appropriately. As a former solicitor , i have been shocked solicitor, i have been shocked by the level of abuse that ive seen in this area of the law. Seen in this area of the law. Im afraid that what you seen so far is just the tip of. But are you saying that fellow lawyer, keir starmer is conspiring with those lawyers . Is keir starmer and the labour party conspiring with those lawyers . Because thats what thats what rishi sunak seems to be suggesting in the tweet he sent out last week. And thats what Suella Braverman seems to sent out last week. And thats wh suggestingaverman seems to sent out last week. And thats wh suggesting. Verman seems to sent out last week. And thats wh suggesting. Are nan seems to sent out last week. And thats wh suggesting. Are nan also s to be suggesting. Are you also suggesting that , well, there is suggesting that, well, there is evidence of that. Yes. I mean, this just this week weve seen an allegation that a Labour Councillor in newcastle who is also a legal representative, was on tiktok, apparently soliciting Illegal Migrants to come to her and she would help them to stay in the uk. Now i would help them to stay in the uk. Now i think would help them to stay in the uk. Now i think that would be uk. Now i think that would be news to her residents in newcastle who probably want, like i do, secure borders and control migration. But it is an control migration. But it is an example of what the labour party really thinks and as far as i can tell, absolute lutely nothing has been said or done with respect to that lady. One of our people, and that shows what labour, you know, behind the mask really thinks. Okay, this issue , one of our peoples this issue, one of our Peoples Panellists has made the point about the pull factors to the uk. Theres a reason why people come from wherever theyre coming from. They come across the whole of europe and they still want to the channel still want to cross the channel to the uk because were to come to the uk because were a soft touch, because we offer them much, because give them too much, because we give them too much, because we give them housing and accommodation quite comfortable and quite comfortable housing and accommodation that they can come here have a life that they here and have a life that they cant live elsewhere. So some of the factors are to blame. The pull factors are to blame. Why dont you pull some of the pull why dont you pull some of the pulwell, we are camilla. Thats well, we are camilla. Thats exactly the work that ive been doing over the last months doing over the last six months with Suella Braverman. We have changed the accommodation. The people are staying in, you know, the labour party say they dont like us using disused military sites and barges. They want hotels and my postbag from labour mps is complaining that the accommodation isnt luxurious enough. They want us to spend more and offer more to Illegal Migrants. I dont think thats right. Illegal migrants. I dont think thats right. I think we have to make sure that the uk isnt perceived to be a soft touch. As you say quite correctly, the overwhelming majority of those people coming on small boats are coming from france , from a safe coming from france, from a safe country with a well functioning asylum system , and theyre asylum system, and theyre choosing to come to the uk and that must be in part because of a perception that the uk is a softer touch. Thats why were changing accommodation. Thats changing accommodation. Thats why were making it harder to live and to work illegally in the uk. But are these 50 rise in the number of raids this year by Immigration Enforcement to try and close down bogus employers . Have you got control over some of these sites . Have you some of these sites . Have you got control over some of these sites . Because weve got local reports of tb and scabies reports of a tb and scabies outbreak at the site in wethersfield. Youve got constituents angry about migrant s being housed in their doorstep. Youve also got your own mps really cross with you personally . Ive heard a lot of criticism of you personally. Mr jenrick , for the quote is jenrick, for the quote is dumping migrants in their seats and costing them their hopes of electoral success come 2024. Electoral success come 2024. Well, the reason were pursuing large sites and barges is so that we can exit the hotels. We dont want people staying in these hotels. Theyre very expensive and theyre not appropriate. Of course, we appropriate. Of course, we understand that in the small number of places where these larger sites and barges are going to be located , that will going to be located, that will pose problems and legitimate concerns for the community. And were working very closely with council owls and Community Groups in each of those places to try to mitigate that, providing extra money for the police and the Health Service , police and the Health Service, for example. But it must be right in the National Interest that we house people as other European Countries do, and certainly in large sites and on barges and vessels rather than in hotels, which is just simply creating another pull factor. Okay kingdom Robert Jenrick, thank you very much indeed for joining me. Former chancellor of the exchequer and mp for spelthorne Kwasi Kwarteng. Lovely to speak to you. Good to you. Can to you. Good to see you. Can i just have bit of reaction to just have a bit of reaction to that interview robert just have a bit of reaction to that intbecause robert just have a bit of reaction to that intbecause i robert just have a bit of reaction to that intbecause i thinkart just have a bit of reaction to that intbecause i think the jenrick because i think the perception audience is perception from our audience is that ideas. Perception from our audience is that maybe ideas. Perception from our audience is that maybe this ideas. 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They can the Supreme Court can see that the Supreme Court and lawyers actively and other lawyers are actively working to frustrate what is very well known government policy and thats what the government is running up against. Frustration, against. So the frustration, isnt voted isnt it, because people voted for that we for brexit thinking that we could our could take control of our borders and by the way, our laws . Sure. So why cant we be in charge of who comes in and who doesnt . Why cant the doesnt . Why cant the government this government get a grip on this issue . 13 in power . Issue . After 13 years in power . Has tried to do that issue . After 13 years in power . It has tried to do that issue . After 13 years in power . It has has tried to do that issue . After 13 years in power . It has passed ed to do that issue . After 13 years in power . It has passed legislation at issue . After 13 years in power . It has passed legislation. T and it has passed legislation. But youve the but then youve got the independent courts saying you cant. And thats a big cant do that. And thats a big problem. Something problem. And thats something which sure sunak and which im sure rishi sunak and robert will be addressing. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets ill be addressing. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets move addressing. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets move oniressing. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets move on tossing. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets move on to the}. Which im sure rishi sunak and rotlets move on to the economy, lets move on to the economy, because we had Interest Rate because we had an Interest Rate rise thursday, 5. 25. Thats rise on thursday, 5. 25. Thats the highest rate in 15 years, 15 years. Is that your fault . No , i dont think it is. No, i dont think it is. I think you look at whats been think if you look at whats been happening , the inflation has happening, the inflation has been much higher for a lot longer than the bank of england and others predicted. And the and others predicted. And the bank of england have recognised themselves that theyve got an issue here because theyve hired ben bernanke , who is an american ben bernanke, who is an american economist , to look at their economist, to look at their inflation because they inflation models because they realise they look at their own inflation. If andrew inflation. For if andrew not inflation. For purpose irew not inflation. For purpose ,ew not inflation. For purpose , well not inflation. For purpose , well look, not inflation. For purpose , well look, this fit for purpose, well look, this man of man understand the effects of inflation, you know, so, so what theyre get a theyre doing is trying to get a very third party to very respected third party to look at how their inflation and the bank england governor. The bank of england governor. Well, its a serious. Yeah, youre serious youre right. Its a serious confident england governor. Cant just say that why cant you just say that its youre right that its a serious its a serious matter for them to bring into confidence in bailey. Look, i think i work very in think i work very well in my brief tenure with andrew. Think hes. I think hes. I think hes. But he didnt this but he didnt see this calamity coming down track. But he didnt see this cal didntcoming down track. But he didnt see this cal didnt seeing down track. But he didnt see this cal didnt see the down track. But he didnt see this cal didnt see the inflation track. He didnt see the inflation would be this high. If youre getting major failing getting its a major failing if youre getting an american economist at yeah who dont economist at yeah who i dont know what what he about know what what he knows about the if youre bringing the uk but if youre bringing him at your inflation him in to look at your inflation models somethings wrong. Him in to look at your inflation mo yeah;omethings wrong. Him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i methings wrong. Him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean1gs wrong. Him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean we wrong. Him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean we broughtong. Yeah i mean we brought a canadian economist in. Well, he was governor bank. Was the governor of the bank. He was the governor of the bank. He was of the bank. Was the governor of the bank. The presided he was the one who presided over rates. Over ultra low Interest Rates. Now over ultra low Interest Rates. And now over ultra low Interest Rates. And quantitative now over ultra low Interest Rates. And quantitative easingy over ultra low Interest Rates. And quantitative easing on come and quantitative easing on a mass scale, which have now cost us all the pocket. Cost us all in the pocket. May be true, but i well, that may be true, but i think terms the inflation think in terms of the inflation and think and Interest Rates, i think there there was big fail there was there was a big fail in terms of working out where inflation might end up and whats happened since since certainly since ive left office is that the bank is trying to play is that the bank is trying to play catch up. Play catch up. So having had very, very low rates, one forgets how low they were, 0. 1 and then they are now 5. 25. So which is 52. 5 times more. Complain that than paying £1,500 last year. And now Interest Rates have risen to such an extent that their mortgages are now £2,500. Do you have any sympathy with them . Of course i do. I mean, theyre saying that want of saying that they want kind of furlough, outs for mortgages. Of course do. Mean, you of course i do. I mean, you know, revealing too know, probably revealing too much. Im on tracker as well. Much. Im on a tracker as well. So im affected by how far theyve gone considerably. Theyve gone up considerably. So are you saying that you have been screwed by own mini budget . No, not at all. Because . Because camilla, you were mixing two the bank is in charge. Option. That the option. Is that the mini budget . Yeah, it is. Contributed Interest Rates mini budget . Yeah, it is. Contri pushed Interest Rates mini budget . Yeah, it is. Contri pushed inaszst rates mini budget . Yeah, it is. Contri pushed inas hightesthey being pushed up as high as they are. Reaction to the are. So my reaction to the inflation going up as far as what trying say to you is what im trying to say to you is that are two different things. W things. Of england was the bank of england was in charge and of charge of inflation and a lot of my tracker rate and other peoples rates will be peoples tracker rates will be unked bank peoples tracker rates will be linked bank rate. Yes linked to the bank rate. Yes and, you know, whatever margin that you have to pay and the reason why Interest Rates have gone very high is because gone up very high is because weve missed the goal weve completely missed the goal on inflation. Yeah, weve totally misjudged inflation. And the point i was making about ben bernanke is that they brought someone in from america to look at their models because the models were clearly wrong. Thats your mortgage bill gone up by per month. A lot. I mean, im going a lot. I mean, im not going to a great deal since we to reveal a great deal since we bought the house in 2021. Oh, okay. So its gone up quite , okay. So its gone up quite, quite a bit since then. And im as exposed to Interest Rates as anyone else with regard to growth. Obviously youve talked a lot about stimulating growth. What would you like to see in the autumn statement from chancellor . 7 there 7 there has to . There has to be a 7 there has to be a growth plan, so its all very well to people, wrongly people, rightly or wrongly criticise the mini budget. And it it was too much it was i think it was too much too have you. There too fast or what have you. There are different perceptions about it but actual problem it, but the actual problem it was to solve, which is was trying to solve, which is trying to stimulate growth, was 100 the right problem to deal with. And i want to see from a government an attempt to try and deal with that now. So far theyve said theyve stabilise things and i think jeremy hunt does deserve credit and rishi sunak, so he should be shuffled out stabilised. He should be out or stabilised. He should be shuffled. I was the last chancellor to be sacked and it didnt end very well the didnt end very well for the prime i would Prime Minister. So i would suggest on that front. I suggest caution on that front. I dont think Prime Minister sacking chancellors is , is sacking chancellors is, is a good a good omen , even though to good a good omen, even though to be fair to rishi, he didnt appoint jeremy hunt. It was liz truss who appointed him. So i think that i think theyve done the first bit theyve shown a measure of restraint. Theyve shown balance and now as we go into the election , then we have into the election, then we have to give something. We have to say. So this is the this is the forward plan. This is how were actually going. Because when the chancellor says, cant tax says, well, we cant afford tax cuts, response to cuts, whats your response to that . Legitimate that . Because its a legitimate concern, isnt it . And got concern, isnt it . And weve got Household Debt now exceeding 2 trillion for the first trillion for the very first time. Equivalent to time. Um, thats equivalent to 71,000 per household and is it just the case that successive governments have been far too profligate with taxpayers cash . Think i think the big so i think i think the big issue, which no one wants to address is public spending. Pubuc is address is public spending. Public is very, public spending is very, very high. Doesnt take a high. And it doesnt take a mathematician work out if mathematician to work out if your public spending is growing at your economy is at 3 a year and your economy is growing a a year , how growing at half a a year, how are you going pay for the are you going to pay for the pubuc are you going to pay for the public spending . Answer public spending . And the answer so has been more so far has been through more tax. Got tax. Thats why weve got a very, very burden. Our very, very high tax burden. Our attempt to reduce that was which spooked the markets, frankly , he spooked the markets, frankly, he was perhaps too much too quickly. It was too much to digest. Jeremy hunt need do digest. Jeremy hunt need to do some so i think there some of that. So i think there has to balance which has to be a balance which aspects you i think aspects would you like . I think well, i mean, he at a well, i mean, he can look at a whole range of things and its not about reducing public not just about reducing public spending. Its reducing not just about reducing public spe rate}. Its reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at ts reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at which reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at which the educing not just about reducing public spe rate at which the public] the rate at which the public spending increases. I know its spending increases. I know its a difficult concept, a slightly difficult concept, but you know, you have to try and have some restraint. And in and have some restraint. And in order to kind of reduce the spending need, because otherwise call , youll be call for restraint, youll be accused too. Accused of austerity, too. Of those things, of that. Mean, thats the political i mean, thats the political but dilemma that if but the dilemma is that if youre spending more than youre getting in, you to up getting in, you have to put up taxes. And thats the doom loop. Getting in, you have to put up tax but if youre spending more than. But than. Yeah, exactly. But then you need the spending more than theyre in, then the theyre bringing in, then the argument cuts is argument for tax cuts is erroneous, isnt it . Because people will then say, well, no, you to do that ehhen t e tl t no. So what you have to do is and this and he actually mentioned this in his autumn statement, which was what i was going to do, what we budget was we did in the mini budget was that we had tax measures and that we had the tax measures and then to announce then we were going to announce then we were going to announce the we the spending measures, but we didnt but what he didnt get that far. But what he has is to is to try and has to do is to is to try and present a case for spending restraint. Restraint, yes. And restraint. Restraint, yes. And also trying to put more money into the economy by cutting if he reducing tax any tax, which one should he cut first . Well, there are lots that there of there are a whole range of taxes. About taxes. Youre talking about income. Talking about corporation . Own favoured view was to my own favoured view was to start off, which is what liz campaigned on in terms of the Corporation Tax. Yes. And then i Corporation Tax. Yes. And then i think we tried to do too much in the i think if the mini budget. I think if we just. Just focussed. Start business taxes. Yes , i think yes, i think it has to be sequenced. Yes, i think it has to be sequeryou feel that businesses do you feel that businesses in being in this country are being hammered by conservative hammered by a conservative government thats how government because thats how they i think. They seem to feel . I think. From 19 to 25 i think going from 19 to 25 in Corporation Tax is very challenging. Yes. And also, we challenging. Yes. And also, we want to make your economy attractive. I mean, in ireland, attractive. I mean, in ireland, they have, what, 12 Corporation Tax . Well, we were meant to be competitive right competitive after brexit, right 7 competitive after brexit, right . We werent meant to a . We werent meant to be on a par germany. No. Par with france and germany. No. And in ireland, top rate and in ireland, the top rate of in our of tax is 40, whereas in our country its the Corporation Tax is and the top rate of tax is 25. And the top rate of tax is 25. And the top rate of tax is 45. If youre a successful businessman, you can see why they might want to go to ireland and instead of the uk , we talked and instead of the uk, we talked about government debt. We talked about Household Debt. About your debt. Youve told me about your own mortgage. Are you worried that there is a generation or caucus of people that are just so mortgaged to the eyeballs that its a massive problem coming down the track . I mean, coming down the track . I mean, weve already seen house prices fall. Well, yeah. Are facing fall. Well, yeah. Are we facing another housing crisis . Think we i think its no, i think we i think its too to easy say that were going too to easy say that were going to go down the road of sort of housing armageddon. I dont think i think think thats the case. I think theres of theres still a huge amount of demand properties. Theres demand for properties. Theres still not still a sense that were not Building People have still a sense that were not builextraordinary people have still a sense that were not builextraordinary amountse have still a sense that were not builextraordinary amounts of1ave got extraordinary amounts of mortgage debt, havent they . And what happens further mortgage debt, havent they . The and what happens further mortgage debt, havent they . The line what happens further mortgage debt, havent they . The line are happens further mortgage debt, havent they . The line are these ans further mortgage debt, havent they . The line are these people her down the line are these people saving their pensions . Is saving for their pensions . Is the their pension . Saving for their pensions . Is the so their pension . Saving for their pensions . Is the so would pension . Saving for their pensions . Is the so would pensabout saving for their pensions . Is the so would pen about that so all i would say about that is is bad. I is that the situation is bad. I mean not even mean, older viewers, not even that old viewers, but the early 90s, we had, what, 15 Interest Rates and was punitive. Rates and that was punitive. I dont think theres any risk of that, actually. But i think what weve got to and do is weve weve got to try and do is weve got build more housing where weve got to try and do is weve gotcan uild more housing where weve got to try and do is weve gotcan do d more housing where weve got to try and do is weve gotcan do thatyre housing where weve got to try and do is weve gotcan do that and ousing where weve got to try and do is weve gotcan do that and increasehere weve got to try and do is weve gotcan do that and increase the supply. But whats your feeling on where Interest Rates will go . I where Interest Rates will go . I note that a tracker. Note that youre on a tracker. Does that that does that mean that youre thinking they might stay at thinking that they might stay at five come down . Thinking that they might stay at fivei come down . Thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkyme down . Thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthinkvn . Thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthink ii . Thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthink i think they i think i think i think they will put this way. Think will put it this way. I think theyve gone than theyve gone up more than theyre up in the theyre going to go up in the future. Right. Where future. Right. But where the point where optimal point where the optimal point is whether rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis1er rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a r rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter ofe highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter of speculationyint point where the optimal point is whis a matter of speculation. 1t is, is a matter of speculation. I mean, im sure youve got roger bootle coming in. Hell have his ill ask him the question. This the same question. I think this perception perhaps that Interest Rates forever remain at rates now will forever remain at 4 or 5 and never go back to that zero or close to zero. I think its very unlikely theyll go back 0. 1. Go back to 0. 1. Even at the time we i mean, even at the time we realised was realised that that was exceptional and but i think they can go back down to 2 or 3. They have done in the past and they might do again in the future. And final question , kwasi do and final question, kwasi do you minister you think the Prime Minister will inflation target will hit this inflation target to the end of the year . I think its quite tricky. Year . I taugust; quite tricky. Year . I taugust now. E tricky. Year . I taugust now. E tricisee were august now. Well see what the is. I think the july figure is. I think itll be itll be nip and tuck. As i say , touch and go. Whether as i say, touch and go. Whether he hits that. But i think its coming down. But obviously not as quickly as many of us would like to see. Kwasi kwarteng , thank you Kwasi Kwarteng, thank you very much for joining Kwasi Kwarteng, thank you very much forjoining me Kwasi Kwarteng, thank you very much for joining me this morning. Lovely to morning. Thank you. Lovely to speak you. Welcome back to the Camilla Tominey show. Thank you for joining me. Ive got the perfect guest us guest in the studio to help us get heads around whats get our heads around whats going the british going on with the british economy. Rates now a economy. Interest rates now at a 15 high. Roger bootle , the 15 year high. Roger bootle, the senior independent advisor to capital economics, joins now, capital economics, joins me now, a economist, an expert a leading economist, an expert on these matters. Roger, on all these matters. Roger, first of all, you might have seen my interview earlier with kwasi whats your Kwasi Kwarteng. Whats your reaction to what hes saying there . Talking about there . Hes talking about bringing spending bringing Government Spending down Corporation Tax cut. Still emulating growth in a different way. Do you agree with that analysis . Yes i do, actually. Its a shame that hes come to that realisation now , as it to that realisation now, as it were, and we had that botched experiment before. But i think hes. Hes largely right. And what should jeremy hunt do in the autumn do do in the autumn statement, do you . You think . Well, i hes boxed in well, i think hes boxed in really what hes done before really by what hes done before and before. And by what hes said before. Hes not going to cut corporation , is he . And Corporation Tax, is he . And i dont suppose hes to going cut government should. Mean hes not i mean, hes not going to because politically because it looks politically weak. As businesses weak. But as far as businesses are concerned, i mean, what are you hearing businesses . You hearing from businesses . Because a journalistic because in a journalistic capacity , im hearing capacity, we im hearing businesses tearing their hair out its more difficult out thinking its more difficult than ever start a business, than ever to start a business, let alone keep it afloat. Let alone to keep it afloat. Theres been lots of handouts for individuals when it comes to help with energy bills. We got the federation of Small Businesses , i think, last month businesses, i think, last month saying that 100,000 businesses face going under this winter because of their own energy bills. Has the tory government, the so called government of business, found wanting business, been found wanting when helping businesses . Yes , as i think the answer, yes, as i think the answer, yes. But you know, the big issue is the macro economy. And you is the macro economy. And you dont solve problems by dont solve those problems by frankly dishing out handouts , frankly dishing out handouts, although we have been doing that over few years in over the last few years in various i suspect hes various ways. I suspect hes going to have to do very little actually , in autumn actually, in this autumn statement. Is a case of just statement. It is a case of just trying to keep the ship afloat, keeping it steady and hoping that things pan out. Okay. Now im actually reasonably pessimistic, unfortunately , pessimistic, unfortunately, about the outlook for Interest Rates and inflation. Right. I think it takes a lot longer for that to come. Right. But theyve got going that to come. Right. But theyve go come going that to come. Right. But theyve gocome right going that to come. Right. But theyve go come right where going that to come. Right. But theyve gocome right where i going that to come. Right. But theyve gocome right where i go much to come right where i very much agree kwasi was on public agree with kwasi was on public spending. You know, you cant square this circle unless you get to grips with public spending and the obvious one to do something about is scrap do something about is to scrap it. Yes even though weve already spent billions on it, theres a well known rule economics. Well known rule in economics. You let bygones you must let bygones be bygones. You must let bygones be bygones. Rational decision bygones. All rational decision ins are forward looking. Forget what youve spent. Look at what the position is now Going Forward , what are the forward, what are the advantages . And i think theyre pretty slender and the costs are still rising. Still rising. So thats the first loss is your loss theory when it your best loss theory when it comes Government Spending in comes to Government Spending in general, though, and also in terms of Household Debt. I was intrigued read a piece that intrigued to read a piece that you recently for the you wrote recently for the telegraph. We headlined telegraph. We headlined it forget high debt the real forget sky high debt the real economic is a lack of economic danger is a lack of growth. Thats not to say growth. But thats not to say that not worried about that youre not worried about sky are you, sky high debt, are you, roger . Youre absolutely right, because as you all know, being as you you all know, being a columnist yourself, one of the problems got no problems is youve got no control over the headline. Well, we tend to put we do tend to put quite sensational headlines on things that click the story. That people click on the story. But to me, though. But explain that to me, though. The sky high debt a problem , the sky high debt is a problem, but its not as big a problem as the of growth the lack of growth in this country. The premise . Country. Is that the premise . There are a couple yes. Well, there are a couple of strands to this. The first is that talking about of strands to this. The first is thatnational talking about of strands to this. The first is thatNational Debt. Alking about of strands to this. The first is thatNational Debt. Its1g about of strands to this. The first is thatNational Debt. Its notbout the National Debt. Its not really National Debt at all. Really the National Debt at all. Its debt. Its the its the public debt. Its the debt of the government. The state to everyone else. Most of those everyone else are in fact , other british people or or pension funds, Insurance Companies or whatever. So thats the first people think the first thing people think this is, you know, vast debt owed by country. Its not. Owed by the country. Its not. And the second thing is weve been here before for after the napoleonic wars, which i dont myself remember , the debt was myself remember, the debt was Something Like 260 of gdp as opposed to around about 100 were at now. And also after the second world war, it was around about that. So weve been there before. Weve worked it down, before. Weve worked it down, work. Paying it down means work. Paying it down means maintaining confidence. Its maintaining confidence. Its keeping down Government Spending, keeping the deficit down so the debt doesnt keep building up. Down so the debt doesnt keep building up. But the most important having the important thing is having the economy and the economy growing. And as the economy growing. And as the economy , that you economy grows, that enables you to up with what is too high to put up with what is too high a level of debt. But then i remember Ronald Reagan famously quoted as saying the deficit is big enough to look after itself. Yet at look after itself. And yet at the time, reaganomics is the same time, reaganomics is associated a period of High Associated with a period of high growth in the us. So how do you growth in the us. So how do you Square Circle . Because he square that circle . Because he wasnt worried the deficit . Well, 7 well, no. 7 well, no. And in the end, of course, didnt actually course, america didnt actually get financial get out of its financial problems. I mean, that worked for policy. And for a time. That policy. And truss was following truss of course, was following exactly that. Yes. Rubric. I think are big limits to think there are big limits to this. And particularly for an economy like the uk , which is economy like the uk, which is much more vulnerable than the us , you cant just hell , you cant just say to hell with the deficit, were going to cut anyway. I think the cut taxes anyway. I think the objective cutting taxes is objective of cutting taxes is absolutely but to do that absolutely right. But to do that in a sustainable way, in this economy, youve to tackle economy, youve got to tackle government. That Government Spending. And that was think was the big mistake. I think under truss. Em and what about productivity . Because i think a key concern from people watching and listening that we listening to this is that we just productive as we just arent as productive as we used to be. Also, this move towards work from home, perhaps has adversely affected productivity. I has adversely affected productivity. I dont has adversely affected productivity. I dont know what productivity. I dont know what your take that. Roger your take is on that. Roger think it probably has yes, i think it probably has , is this is a problem, of course, for long course, weve had for a long time. For time. Its got worse for a variety of reasons. Regulation variety of reasons. Regulation is one, were over regulated, over regulated and regulated in the wrong way. The Public Sector, as i think are by and large , a baleful influence large, a baleful influence across the whole economy and its own productivity is pretty poor i the Public Sector is too large. Large. It is too large, absolutely interferes too much and is my own experience. Science confirms own experience. Science confirms is deeply in deficient. Yes, but on working from home is of course been a great benefit for a number of people. But i dont think its been great for productivity gnome. Think its been great for productiwhen nome. Talked about and when kwasi talked about you think hes more optimistic than youre going to be about this debt mountain, particularly peoples mortgage debt catching up with them. Are you worried about a time bomb waiting to explode because you also wrote a piece for us where you said , piece for us where you said, again, it might your again, it might not be your headline, was the headline, but this was the thrust article. Britains thrust of the article. Britains property wealth an property wealth boom is an illusion. And the national illusion. And the national fixation housing ladder fixation with the housing ladder ignores fundamental flaws in the market. What did you mean by that . Well, what i meant was this that . anell, what i meant was this that . a reallyvhat i meant was this that . a really aat i meant was this that . a really a dichotomy was this that . a really a dichotomy between is a really a dichotomy between wealth appears to individuals and their families. And as it were, wealth for the country as a whole. If you dont do a whole. If you dont do anything your property , you anything to your property, you just there live in it just sit there and live in it and the price up 3 or 4 and the price goes up 3 or 4 times, what the times, which is what is the experience of millions of ordinary people in this country. You feel richer indeed. You feel richer and indeed in some you are richer in some senses you are richer in some senses you are richer in some when you at the end some senses when you at the end of life, you move down or of your life, you move down or whatever sell the house or whatever or sell the house or leave to your children. Then leave it to your children. Then that wealth can use. That wealth that you can use. But if you ask yourself the question, what has that done to the real wealth of the country, the real wealth of the country, the your wealth has the fact that your wealth has gone up 3 or 4 the paper gone up 3 or 4 times the paper wealth worth of the house and the its done nothing the answer is its done nothing at all. 39 acacia avenue, croydon is still doing exactly what it did before as it sits there and it provides housing services. So theres there and it provides housing services. So theres an illusion and people think that constantly rising house prices are in some sense or other, making the country better off. Theyre. Not country better off. Theyre. Not at all right. What do you think is going to happen to Interest Rates over the to happen to Interest Rates over themonths . To happen to Interest Rates over themonths . I to happen to Interest Rates over themonths . I orto 18 months . Well, i level or come down the answer is i down the honest answer is i dont know. My fear is theyre going but my fear is theyre going to have to go up some im to have to go up some more. Im on record as saying i think the peak Something Like peak will be Something Like about i dont know. It about 6. Right . I dont know. It depends, of course, on what happens inflation. But i happens to inflation. But i think be think inflation is going to be quite. Right. And quite obstinate. Right. And the bank think, get tougher. Do you the tougher. Do you think the bank of england bailey, do you think the bank of engibeen bailey, do you think the bank of engibeen doing bailey, do you think the bank of engibeen doing a bailey, do you think the bank of engibeen doing a good bailey, do you think the bank of engibeen doing a good job . Ailey, has been doing a good job . Whats analysis of whats your analysis of his performance in office so far . Its very tough well, look, its a very tough job. Very job. Job. Its a very tough job. Caveating your answering. No, a very tough job. He no, its a very tough job. He hasnt excelled. But its not just him. Its the other members of he excelled. Its the other members of the committee. Right. That its not just dont that its not just him. Dont forget. Hes just one voice on forget. Hes just one voice on the has vote the committee. He has one vote and, point to the and, you know, point to the others on committee whove others on the committee whove been with committee . Theyre leaning. Theyre too left leaning. Theyre of prone to theyre too kind of prone to treasury orthodoxy that they are managing decline rather than stimulating growth. Just characterise whats wrong with this committee . This committee . Well, their big mistake was not to spot inflation rising on the horizon when some other people outside could. And people outside could. And thats, i think, nothing whatever with left wing whatever to do with left wing politics. To do with their politics. Its to do with their take on economics, if you like, and the way they observe the economy and the bank of england model was next useless. So model was next to useless. So i think theres been something wrong with the quality and behaviour and nature of the People Committee and in people on the committee and in particular it was too particular it was it was too much one in vein of one intellectual approach. We need intellectual approach. We need some mavericks on that committee i good point upon which to end. Thank good point upon which to end. Thank you very much for your time this morning. Roger bootle. The temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good evening, my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. For many though , it has been many today though, it has been dry some. And as we look dry for some. 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