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Apologise for calling auntie ulez protesters far right. How important is this issue going to be in any Upcoming Elections . All of that to come tonight on dewbs co. With me bev turner turner. But first, the very latest News Headlines with Erin Armstrong. Armstrong. Very good evening to you. Im Erin Armstrong in the gb newsroom. A mother and stepfather have been jailed over the death of a baby boy in derbyshire. Craig couch has been sentenced to life with a minimum term of 28 years for the murder of the ten month old jacob. Hed suffered 39 rib fractures and several internal injuries and was found dead in his cot in december 2020. His mother, gemma barton, who was convicted of child cruelty, will serve ten years. Mrjustice kerr, in sentencing, said crouch, caused jacob acute physical and mental suffering. Suffering. He was a small baby who had not yet learned to walk or talk. Saddle he never did so to state the obvious, he could not defend himself. Second, for that reason himself. Second, for that reason , your attacks on him were an abuse of trust of the grossest kind. And you knew he was kind. And you knew he was dependent on the adults caring for him to protect him from harm instead of protecting him. You instead of protecting him. You killed him. Killed him. A tiktok influencer and her mother have been found guilty of murdering two men in a high speed car chase near leicester. Mahek bukhari and her mother and sareen ambushed Saqib Hussain and Mohammad Hashim aijazuddin and Mohammad Hashim aijazuddin and rammed their car off the road after mr hussain threatened to use sexually explicit material to expose an affair he was having with ms bukharis mother. Two further defendants were also found guilty of murder, while three others were found guilty of manslaughter. The government is turning to the private sector in an effort to clear record nhs waiting lists. Eight of 13 new Community Diagnostic Centres to be opened across england will be operated by independent companies. Services, though, will be free to patients as the centres will carry out almost 750,000 additional scans , checks and additional scans, checks and tests every year. The latest figures show waiting lists are almost 7. 5 million by the end of may, the highest since records began. May, the highest since records began. A man has been jailed for began. A man has been jailed for life with a minimum of 28 years for murdering the cousin of boxing champion tyson fury. The boxing champion tyson fury. The 22 year old liam oprey stabbed rico burton during a brawl in Greater Manchester in august last year. Hed already a conviction for carrying a knife in public before the murder. Russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny has been sentenced to a further 19 years in jail. Vladimir putins most vocal political critic has been found guilty of creating and funding an extremist organisation. Hes an extremist organisation. Hes already serving a sentence totalling up to 11 years for fraud and contempt of court, which he denies. His supporters say all charges are politically motivated. In an effort to silence a man whose exposed corruption within the kremlin. Corruption within the kremlin. Meanwhile a russian warship has been seriously damaged in an attack by Ukrainian Naval drones. Kyiv claims this footage taken from the drone captures the moment of impact in the black sea port of novorossiysk. A video circulating on social media then appears to show the same ship listing while being towed. Moscow claims it towed. Moscow claims it destroyed the two drones used in an attack and made no mention of damage or casualties. The damage or casualties. The controversial influencer , andrew controversial influencer, andrew tate, says he will be exonerated after being released from house arrest in romania. He and his brother have been held in bucharest , brother have been held in bucharest, charged brother have been held in bucharest , charged with brother have been held in bucharest, charged with Human Trafficking , rape and forming an trafficking, rape and forming an organised criminal group. They deny the charges against them. Deny the charges against them. Tate, who has British American citizenship, welcomed his release , saying the indictment release, saying the indictment is based on nothing and the truth is beginning to prevail. All this weekends planned strike by British Airways staff has been called off after a significant pay deal was reached. The unite union says the agreement means around 24,000 employees will receive more than 13 increase over 18 months in their pay packets , plus a 1001 their pay packets, plus a 1001 off payment. Industrial action off payment. Industrial action was due to start at Gatwick Airport today and it would have lasted until tuesday. The mayor lasted until tuesday. The mayor of london has refused to water down the capitals ulez expansion , but has announced expansion, but has announced plans to expand its scrappage scheme. All londoners with a non compliant car will now be able to apply for a grant of up to £2,000 to replace their vehicle. Critics say the changes vehicle. Critics say the changes are too little, too late. They come after the labour leader, sir keir starmer, urged sadiq khan to reflect on the ulez expansion following the partys by election defeat in uxbridge and South Ruislip last month. And South Ruislip last month. This is gb news across the uk on tv , on your Digital Radio and tv, on your Digital Radio and also on your smart speaker. Now it is back over to. It is back over to. Bev welcome to dewbs co with me , bev turner. Now joining me until seven this evening. My panel writer and political commentator Conor Tomlinson and author, broadcaster and firefighter paul embery. I didnt know that about you, paul you didnt know that . You didnt know that . I didnt know you were firefighter. Well, im shocked. Well, im shocked. Is that you . Proper job, everybody. Thats my real thats a real job. This is not my real job. Trust me. So thats my. Thats my day job. My real job. Far more useful. Yeah. I will say, you came out swinging. This is my hobby. Well, no, but a lot of firefighters jobs. Firefighters have two jobs. The kind of thats always the kind of stereotype in it. Are you not . Not many fires to put out. Not that many fires to put out. So have second form of. So you have a second form of. Thats true. The yeah, thats true. But the reason they do it is not because theyre all greedy. The reason theyre all greedy. The reason they is because theyre they do it is because theyre not paid very well their main not paid very well in their main job, despite what sometimes people by people are told by the government often government and others and often theyre out and theyre forced to go out and work hours in order to work extra hours in order to bump up income. Bump up their income. Well, were glad to have well, were very glad to have you. Have you got a second job, conor . Well, other than other than just this. Oh, im writer and host eaters. Com. Host at lotus eaters. Com. Got it. Okay you get got it. Okay right. You get in touch with us this evening, wont is wont you . Vaiews gbnews. Com is the twitter the email address or on twitter at right. First story. At gb news. Right. First story. I know you, but i dont know about you, but sometimes feels like jeremy sometimes it feels like jeremy hunt to be his hunt seems to be trying his hardest to alienate working people drive all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl� day. Drive all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl� day. People all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl� day. People who nery hardest to alienate working peopl� day. People who get hardest to alienate working peopl� day. People who get out of every day. People who get out of job and go to work in the morning to try and pay the bills into ground, he the into the ground, he said the Interest Rates should be kept sufficiently for sufficiently restrictive for sufficiently restrictive for sufficiently does sufficiently long. What does that isnt it that even mean . Isnt it working . Who working . People who are currently feeling the brunt of these measures whilst the banks are raking in, not passing are raking it in, not passing higher to higher Interest Rates on to savers, have they run out of ideas . Well, this is what jeremy hunt said this week to our very own liam halligan, the of own liam halligan, the bank of england for last today say that we will avoid recession and in a years time well get inflation down to about 3, 2. 8, i think is the number. So although its very tough when Interest Rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans , what those have got loans, what those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. But what youre talking about is a very fine judgement, which is what we pay fine judgement, which is what we pay the Monetary Policy committee to do, completely independent of politicians, because we want to make sure they get it right. They get it right. Why do i struggle to trust him . Connor tomlinson i mean, him . Connor tomlinson i mean, i know, i know that the economy can be a subject which makes people out. We just think people zone out. We just think some of it is quite complicated. I just want the government to let money at the let us have more money at the end the month my bank end of the month in my bank account. When i hearjeremy account. But when i hearjeremy hunt talk like that, im still not what his long term not sure what his long term ambition is. Are you . Am sceptical as to whether i am sceptical as to whether or he actually wants the uk or not he actually wants the uk economy succeed because we economy to succeed because we have many have been manipulated so many times government and times by both the government and the bank of englands messaging on economy. Reason lots on the economy. The reason lots of is because of people zone out is because lots of people dont actually understand what inflation as understand what inflation is as well. Think a yougov well. Well, i think a yougov poll polled and poll recently polled them and they thought it was they said they thought it was lowering prices. No, inflation they said they thought it was lowerate prices. No, inflation they said they thought it was low rate pr change, inflation they said they thought it was low rate pr change, inflati well, thats what i was. But hes saying, well, were hes now saying, well, were hoping not going hoping we dont were not going to recession. To need a recession. Well, hes hoping to well, because hes hoping to cling to his job because cling on to his job because theres rumours theres obviously rumours recently that recently in the daily mail that he slung out for being he might be slung out for being terrible. And why should we trust anything he says when his record the pandemic, for record of the pandemic, for example, days he example, in the early days he was chinas zero covid was endorsing chinas zero covid policy. He came gb news policy. Then he came on gb news and an exclusive when and gave an exclusive when trying conservative trying to run for conservative party saying, party leadership, saying, oh, under avoided under me, i would have avoided lockdowns. A snake. Hell lockdowns. Hes a snake. Hell say to keep his job. Say anything to keep his job. To be now youre supposed to be here. Little bit more here. Whos a little bit more right leaning . And thats how you conservatives, very you the conservatives, are very left why i say jeremy thats why i say jeremy hunt speaks cant ever speaks highly of you cant ever go on. Paul. You go on. Paul. Him . Go on. Maul. Paul. Do you trust him . And i think theres a lot of talks, a lot of sense there. We feel like were having sand kicks our were having sand kicks in our eyes to the eyes when it comes to the economy and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. And i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. This and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. This is and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. This is the. Nd i just eyes when it comes to the econc steal. This is the thingust cant steal. This is the thing as well. Inflation is normally generated are generated because people are spending we spending so much. So when we have the have times of boom and the government have government feel they have to bnng government feel they have to bring temperature in bring the temperature down in the economy, not the the economy, thats not the inflation no, its inflation that we have. No, its not there seems to not yet. There seems to want to solve it with increasing interest less Interest Rates, giving us less money to spend. And this is the mistake, the inflation that were getting at and this is the mistake, the infl momentt were getting at and this is the mistake, the infl moment is ere getting at and this is the mistake, the infl moment is largelytting at and this is the mistake, the infl moment is largely as|g at the moment is largely as a result the in ukraine and result of the war in ukraine and the up of economy the opening up of the economy after pandemic. Theres after the pandemic. But theres another it, which after the pandemic. But theres anothe|rarely it, which after the pandemic. But theres anothe|rarely about, h after the pandemic. But theres anothe|rarely about, and we people rarely talk about, and we need focus on its being need to focus on it. Its being dnven need to focus on it. Its being driven by profiteering of driven by the profiteering of some companies. Some of our Big Companies. Theyre making bucks and in theyre making huge bucks and in doing so, its that self perpetuate effect in terms of driving prices up even more and actually unite the trade union have done some some detailed studies on this and they found recently that 60 of they found recently that 60 of the inflation were experiencing in the system at the moment is as a result of some of these excess profits, this profiteering that were seeing on the part of Big Companies. And isnt it funny that ordinary workers who are not actually responsible for driving this inflation at the moment, but theyre told you have to you have to restrain your wage demands, you have to tighten your belt because of inflation. But when it comes to companies, the government never uses that same reason. They never say to companies, hold on a second, you guys should take a hit. You guys should keep your prices down. No, it comes to companies, no, when it comes to companies, the government kind of thinks, well, natural. Well, thats perfectly natural. Thats thing thats a perfectly normal thing for Companies Seek to make for companies to seek to make more increase their more money or to increase their pnces more money or to increase their prices as a result, to cover the increase in costs in their overheads and so on. And yet when a worker says , well, do you when a worker says, well, do you know inflation at eight, know what inflation is at eight, nine, 10 the moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipayio the moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase|e moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of� noment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of thatent, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of that ratei need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of that rate in eed a pay increase of that rate in order counter that, they say, order to counter that, they say, no, youve to take the no, no, youve got to take the hit, to take hit hit, youve got to take the hit in terms real wages that in terms of your real wages that for me has always been a contradiction that the tory party have always have always peddled. Thats thats but you see, thats thats what so baffling the what i find so baffling at the moment. That and what moment. Conor is that and what paul says is right about the fact seems like the big fact that it seems like the big corporations are profiting enormously moment. And enormously at the moment. And im all im in favour of a free market. I dont want the government going into businesses and meddling, but but whats happening the moment, just happening at the moment, just inevitably because of their policy, is the smaller businesses are, you know, the decorator , the taxi driver, the decorator, the taxi driver, the garage owner. These people are going to struggle to make ends meet by the end of the year. And the conservatives were always the conservatives were always the party of small business. And this is why think its a its this is why i think its a its a controlled demolition, frankly. If you look jeremy hunts if you look at jeremy hunts economic advisers, as soon as he became chancellor, one of the leading george leading guys was George Osbornes protege, who then left to blackrock , the worlds to go to blackrock, the Worlds Largest fund , in bed with largest hedge fund, in bed with pretty every one of the pretty much every one of the leading shareholders of pretty much every company you could you could with the could list off in bed with the un in bed with the World Economic forum and sort of Economic Forum and that sort of types. And like jeremy types. And much like jeremy hunt, the bank hunt, much like the bank of england well, england rishi sunak as well, theyre spearheading Central Bank Digital currencies. Theyre spearheading Central Bank Digital currencies. They bank digital currencies. They would it so that frankly , would like it so that frankly, if the pound were to crash, theres convenient theres a very convenient replacement that can replacement currency that can come in. And so i do have to correct one thing, paul. Its not because of ukraine and not just because of ukraine and opening up. Its because of the quantitative easing that was conducted for the conducted to pay for the furlough now furlough scheme. And now the bank the only bank bank of england is the only bank centrally the world centrally throughout the world thatis centrally throughout the world that is conducting quantitative tightening the tightening by selling off the bonds try bonds to try and try and manipulate the economy. So manipulate the economy. Were so reliant american and reliant on the american and chinese that theyre chinese economy that theyre taking our taking a big gamble with our money. Those money. But if both those economies were economies fail as well, were doing it possibly be that long term strategy. I dont accept that quantitative had quantitative easing has had the impact terms of the recent impact in terms of the recent bout inflation that that kind bout of inflation that that kind of to think massively of seems to think it massively increasing hasnt increasing supply hasnt increased the Interest Rate rises were seeing at the rises that were seeing at the moment are going to be crippling in businesses, in terms in terms of businesses, in terms of terms people of families, in terms of people who into the end of who are coming into the end of their rate mortgages on their fixed rate mortgages or on track or whatever. Track or mortgages or whatever. Its going to devastating for its going to be devastating for those it also, i think, those people. It also, i think, takes us potentially into a recession. On the brink of recession. Were on the brink of a at moment. The a recession at the moment. The bank of itself has said bank of england itself has said that increase in the that the increase in the Interest Rates are like the ones that coming to are likely to that are coming to are likely to put 350,000 more people on the dole. That, of course, increases dole. That, of course, increases the chances of a recession. And what these Interest Rate rises do. They swell the coffers of the banks. Weve seen in the first half of this year, the top four banks in this country, your hsbc, natwest, lloyds and barclays, amassed. Nearly barclays, have amassed. Nearly £30 billion in profits. Now, £30 billion in profits. Now, this this is 80 more than the same time last year. They have made a killing out of Interest Rate rises. And the people who rate rises. And the people who are paying for those Interest Rate rises are ordinary families and businesses. There is a compelling case in my view, for a windfall tax on the excess profits of the banks and in a civilised society and economy. We would be doing that immediately. Would to see the would you like to see the bank england be controlled by bank of england be controlled by the government . The government . Absolutely. I think independence far as it is independence as far as it is independent, dont independent, i dont really think think it acts in think it is. I think it acts in the interests bankers. The interests of bankers. I mean, bank, main mean, its a bank, its main clients banks. I think it clients are banks. I think it sees things through the prism of a bank. The unaccountable officials make these officials who make these decisions through the decisions see things through the prism of the banks. And i just prism of the banks. And i just think the idea i mean, its almost given now. People almost a given now. People think, its absolutely think, no, its absolutely fine independence. That was sensible. You all of the pundits you know, all of the pundits think was the right thing. Think it was the right thing. All of politicians think all of the politicians think it was but we was the right thing. But what we did over a major did is we handed over a major plank of Economic Policy in terms of control of the money supply from democratically elected politicians who are accountable for their were accountable for their were accountable for their were accountable for those decisions in Interest Rates and in terms of Interest Rates and the weve given it the effects. And weve given it to faceless officials who have got no mandate. And so when they make decisions, which will make these decisions, which will have a devastating impact on ordinary , what are the ordinary families, what are the politicians do . They say, not me , my , gov, its not my responsibility anymore. The new responsibility anymore. The new labour 1997 Labour Government in 1997 gave it the england. Go it to the bank of england. Go and blame them. Its an absolute attack democracy. Whole attack on democracy. The whole principle terms of the bank principle in terms of the bank of and whether are of england and whether they are truly dont think truly impartial, i dont think theyre impartial all theyre truly impartial at all because government and theyre truly impartial at all bec Bank Government and theyre truly impartial at all bec bank england ernment and theyre truly impartial at all bec bank england haveient and theyre truly impartial at all bec bank england have got and theyre truly impartial at all bec bank england have got the the bank of england have got the same agenda. The bank of england have got the sanle agenda. The bank of england have got the sani wouldnt agenda. The bank of england have got the sani wouldnt mind genda. The bank of england have got the sani wouldnt mind seeing i wouldnt mind seeing them brought but not this government control, but not this government control. Happy control. I would only be happy once managerial types like once the managerial types like rishi sunak, like jeremy hunt were out in favour of were cleared out in favour of someone like danny kruger as the treasurer and then treasurer instead. And then we might responsible might get some responsible fiscal well, im a big fiscal policy. Well, im a big fan of danny kruger. I like him very much indeed. But the polls suggest, but if as the polls suggest, labour gets in in the next election, whether that is end of 24 looking like it might 24 or even looking like it might even go into 25, think we even go into 25, i think we heard this week would it be in safe hands with keir starmer . Safe hands with keir starmer . Close. I mean, no, not even close. I mean, the said he prefers davos to the guy said he prefers davos to westminster, of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the guys of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the guys that of a technocrat as the guys that are currently in. Do you what, though . Do you know what, though . When preferred davos when he said, i preferred davos to westminster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \aoftminster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the|ster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the westminstervatched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the Westminster Committee one of the Westminster Committee meetings what meetings that week. I know what it Boris Johnson and it was. It was Boris Johnson and partygate about partygate and it was all about the and combing through the minutiae and combing through in sort of in that ridiculous sort of satiric about satiric swiftian way about whether johnson had whether Boris Johnson had a piece or not. Piece of cake or not. And i thought at that point i thought, yeah, means. Yeah, i can see what he means. Keir starmer at least, keir starmer because at least, at least in davos, theyre coming up with ideas. At least theyre with theyre trying to come up with big issues. Image, vision big issues. Image, big vision stuff. Agree with it. Stuff. We may not agree with it. Can at even can you look at him even remotely sympathetically through that remotely sympathetically through tha no, because ply him no, because they they ply him with to get him with cocktails to get him on board thats board with the agenda. Thats it. Well, let me come to well, right. Let me come to you then, terms of you then, paul, in terms of this, the timescale were looking here, Interest Rates looking at here, Interest Rates as we said, another quarter as we said, up another quarter of a this week. The of of a this week. The bank of england saying unemployment is going when do you think going to rise when do you think this is going to burst . This bubble is going to burst . And we are heading for and if we are heading for a crash, connor says, when crash, as connor says, when because think think lot of because i think i think a lot of people a really people going have a really rubbish this year. Rubbish christmas this year. Think the well, i think if the trajectory Interest Rates trajectory of Interest Rates continues the way its going, theres indication they theres every indication they will. As i said, were going to see hundreds thousands of see hundreds of thousands of people out were people thrown out of work. Were going see reduced demand in going to see reduced demand in the know what the economy. We know what happensin the economy. We know what happens in terms you know, happens in terms of, you know, dipping into a recession. We get into downward spiral where into that downward spiral where people get laid off. People then get laid off. Theres less purchasing power in the economy as a result of that , companies lay more people off their profits are less. And its very difficult to turn that whole thing around. The only whole thing around. And the only agency the power to turn agency with the power to turn that around government. You that around is government. You know, has to know, government has to lean against market logic in those circumstances. When everybody else tightening their belt. Else is tightening their belt. But look, i mean, just coming back to the to the point about laboun back to the to the point about labour, i think labour would would would run a fairer economy. They generally do. I would say that because im on the think labour the left, but i think labour would want to run a fairer economy. So you can barely get further left this current left than this current conservative government in my opinion. Well, id probably disagree well, id probably disagree with bev, but, but with you on that, bev, but, but i theyd run a think i think theyd run a i think theyd a fairer how, how interest. How, how, are this how how, how, how are this conservative government . Do you see right . Weve conservative government . Do you see the right . Weve conservative government . Do you see the biggest right . Weve conservative government . Do you see the biggest taxright . Weve conservative government . Do you see the biggest tax burdenleve conservative government . Do you see the biggest tax burden in e conservative government . Do you see the biggest tax burden in 70 got the biggest tax burden in 70 years. The years. Well i think the government has done nothing to challenge the increasing gap between and poor in this country. I think particularly if you look consequences the look at the consequences of the pandemic weve in pandemic, what weve seen in this and were seeing this country and were seeing it now interest rises now with the Interest Rate rises is a transfer in wealth from poor to rich, the biggest ever in history. Were seeing wealth and income concentrated in fewer and income concentrated in fewer and fewer hands at the top. I think weve got grotesque wealth and income inequality in this country, i dont think and country, and i dont think and by the way, i dont think labour really has got the answers to it fundamentally in terms how to fundamentally in terms of how to rebalance economy. Dont rebalance the economy. I dont think has come up with think labour has come up with any ideas. How do we any serious ideas. How do we reindustrialise . Do we make reindustrialise . How do we make ourselves competitive ourselves more competitive and productive . Whats the productive . Whats the industrial strategy . How do we, industrial strategy . How do we, you know , repatriate some some you know, repatriate some some of our industries and blue collar jobs that weve lost overseas . How do we make our currency more competitive . How do we manage demand, know what labour and the tories do these daysis labour and the tories do these days is say, do you know what . Well step back and the people who best placed make who are best placed to make those bankers at those decisions are bankers at the and the bank of england and top bosses, the market. Bosses, and the market. It seems to me that wherever you look, youve a populist you look, youve got a populist opfion you look, youve got a populist option seems to be looking you look, youve got a populist opthe seems to be looking you look, youve got a populist opthe state seems to be looking you look, youve got a populist opthe state toems to be looking you look, youve got a populist opthe state to solve be looking to the state to solve everything. But great everything. But anyway, great start, much. Start, guys. Thank you so much. Now, coming up in just a moment, is the term black market racist 7 is the term black market racist . Well, one authority . Well, one Banking Authority thinks that it is. And well give you another list of words that were no longer allowed to use financial world. You now then, lee anderson here. Join me on gb news on my show. The real world. Every friday at 7 pm. Im not eating. Are you delicious. Open your mouth. Okay. Here comes a train. Okay. Here comes a train. Okay. Here comes a train. Reminds me of the scene in singing in the rain. Adam, is that a good one . Whoa, whoa, whoa. Join me at 7 00 on gb news britains news. Join me at 7 00 on gb news britains news. Channel welcome back to dewbs co with me bev turner. This evening, sitting here for michelle, keeping me company until seven. Right. And political commentator Conor Tomlinson broadcaster tomlinson and author broadcaster and firefighter embry , one and firefighter paul embry, one of our viewers has messaged in to say, have you been living under a stone . For goodness under a stone . Bev, for goodness sake, Everybody Knows that paul is fireman and a double for is a fireman and a double for the ginger winger. Prince harry yeah, i get that too. Is that what you get as well . Well, im sorry that i didnt know that. I thought paul felder from the ufc actually, i. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I think youre not a winger at and you look much at all, paul. And you look much more harry more handsome than prince harry as tell you, steve as well. Let me tell you, steve says on the economy, we are well and martin and truly stuffed, martin said. Unless on unless people, especially on lower wages, are given, decent pay lower wages, are given, decent pay as so many people pay rises, as so many people will discretion will stop any discretion spending, will stop any discretion spendingeconomy , that occurred services economy, that occurred to me, martin, especially at christmas where people christmas, where i work, people are part time so are going to go part time so they universal credit to they can get universal credit to get free dental rent help. And so many extra benefits. Thats what feeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the feeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the state feeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the state will feeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the state will step feeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the state will step in eeling so many extra benefits. Thats wha the state will step in at ing like the state will step in at the moment and the government doesnt control the banks. The banks control. The government says mark. Look at they go says mark. Look at how they go along with the markets. Brought down the truss government. Right. Those messages right. Keep those messages coming, wont you . Vaiews gbnews. Com. So british bank leaders have called for phrases such as black market to be banned for fears that they are discriminatory and racist. Uk finance , a trade body for the uk finance, a trade body for the financial services, has issued guide on a guide on inclusive language , which also vetoes the language, which also vetoes the phrase man in the middle because of gender bias. So is the term black market racist . If these black market racist . If these bosses just got too much time on their hands . Connor, let me come to you. Let me give you another couple of examples. You can no longer say id like to sanity check this. So like, if youre check this. So like, if youre in an office and youre coming up an idea, i often it up with an idea, i often do it in work here. If theres something i to about something i want to talk about on usual morning ill on my usual morning show, ill say, check say, can i just sanity check this you . Apparently, this with you . Apparently, i cant use that because it might suggest disability suggest a level of disability and be discriminatory about me. I want a sanity check. This entire situation, frankly, i mean. Well the idea what theyre trying to do here is theyre trying to do here is theyre trying to do here is theyre trying to associate the word black disparities or black with Racial Disparities or Racial Disparities. Dont know. Racial disparities. Dont know. Look through all mythological archetypes right to down in star wars, black and white, light and dark are just stand ins for something predatory and unknown versus something empowering and hopeful that has not got an explicit racial connotation in that that wasnt even the case in the 1500s when shakespeare did some wordplay in othello by using othello skin colour to then contrast these , he had to then contrast these, he had to make bridge. It wasnt make that bridge. It wasnt ginned because of because of ginned up because of because of Racial Discrimination and so what this is, is this is the manipulation language, manipulation of language, because fundamentally, they believe if you change the language, the world. Language, you change the world. And eradicate any and if you if you eradicate any language anyone, language that offends anyone, youll free youll get to an offence free utopia. Well, youre going utopia. Well, youre just going to a mole to be playing whack a mole forever because people are always going invent new terms always going to invent new terms and get and youre never going to get rid from some people. So. So what is it . Mean, so. So what is it . I mean, let me just you who just tell you who this organisation finance. Organisation are. Uk finance. I went to website just to went on to their website just to say us and we work on on say about us and we work on on behalf members to promote behalf of our members to promote a and a safe, transparent and innovative finance innovative banking and finance industry. Research, industry. We offer research, policy expertise, thought leadership and advocacy in support sort word support of its sort of word salad, paul, that i lose the will live. I understand. Will to live. And i understand. And value of language, and the value of language, i think is important and think language is important and i think have to use it i do think we have to use it carefully. Should always use carefully. We should always use language carefully. We should always use languare ambiguous. I dont which are ambiguous. I dont like. I like everyone to understand the meaning words understand the meaning of words when them. But is this when we use them. But is this sort of thing, its gone kind of too far. Too far. Its insane. And it went too far. You cant and say, far. You cant say and say, well, might. We gb well, that might. We can on gb news can on gb news. But and news we can on gb news. But and you know, it went too far years ago. And of course, you know, were were long down. I say we i mean some of our major Public Institutions organisations institutions and organisations are long down the rabbit hole. I are long down the rabbit hole. I mean the logic of this is that you could say expressions like white lie or White Elephant or Something Like that. There is literally this stuff. Literally no end to this stuff. The minute you embark on that path, no end to it. And path, there is no end to it. And what i think and what i fear is that it has created some sort of ratchet effect. So you have these institutions and corporations, Big Companies and organisations who have all kind of embraced this hyper Progressive Agenda , even though, Progressive Agenda, even though, you know, the vast majority of the mainstream out there in the country up and down the streets and towns of britain have got very little sympathy with it. But nonetheless, this is the world that they live they world that they live in. They live in this sort of little bubble. Some of these big corporations. Mean by corporations. And what i mean by the ratchet effect theyre the ratchet effect is theyre constantly each constantly looking to outdo each other. Theyre constantly looking next thing. So, looking for the next thing. So, you know, weve challenged racism. Weve done, know , racism. Weve done, you know, lgbt rights. Weve done the lgbt rights. Weve done the gender pay gap and stuff like that. What can we do next . And many of these organisations are we then have we because we can. I no, i think what i mean i think no, i think what i mean is i think what i mean is less than i think they accept it. I think they accept that theyve made huge progress some of made huge progress on some of that their constant that stuff. So their constant shortly looking for the shortly then looking for the next thing and that is when you then get to, you know, name pronouns on, badges and stuff pronouns on, on badges and stuff like and its when you get like that. And its when you get to documents like this telling you use the you that you cant use the phrase market, this is phrase black market, this is exactly the ratchet effect exactly what the ratchet effect is. Constantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo constantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo eachistantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo each othery looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo each other and king exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo each other and d0|g exactly what the ratchet effect is. Outdo each other and do the to outdo each other and do the same thing. To outdo each other and do the sanwhoing. To outdo each other and do the sanwho was it . Kind of you might who was it . Kind of you might know . Who was it who said as soon to police your soon as you start to police your language, living language, youre already living in oh im not sure in a tyranny . Oh im not sure exactly was. In a tyranny . Oh im not sure eanell, was. In a tyranny . Oh im not sure eanell, somebody was. In a tyranny . Oh im not sure eanell, somebody much;. In a tyranny . Oh im not sure eanell, somebody much clever well, somebody much clever than i did said that recently. Constantly if were constantly policing what say, were what we can and cant say, were already living in under some sort tyranny, gdp , this is sort of tyranny, gdp, this is one want. So gross domestic one you want. So Gross Domestic Product inherently product is now inherently sexist. Is according to sexist. This is according to oxfam. Yes. Yes. Do agree . Oxfam. Yes. Yes. Do you agree . Yeah, shockingly, yes. And right. So this article was published in the daily mail and people got their knickers in a twist about it because i think at this point weve heard the word sexist so many times, its boy who cried wolf. But what oxfam saying and oxfam are actually saying and i was they came out with was shocked they came out with this, they said, you measure this, they said, if you measure everything just economic everything just by its economic output, doing everything just by its economic 0lyoure doing everything just by its economic 0lyoure undervaluing doing is youre undervaluing motherhood at home motherhood and stay at home dependent care. Course, dependent care. And of course, thats because thats thats sexist because thats saying, this is a this is saying, okay, this is a this is a male marker of success. A very male marker of success. Enrolment in political power and ability to generate wealth , ability to generate wealth, historically speaking. So all women must conform to the male standard. And this was only possible sexual possible in in the sexual revolution in second wave feminism, of technology feminism, because of Technology Like control the like the Birth Control and the passing of legal abortion, which means are discouraged means that women are discouraged from taking means that women are discouraged from out taking means that women are discouraged from out of taking means that women are discouraged from out of work taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or even, taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or even, as. Ing time out of work or even, as jeremy hunt has recently done, palming their babies as palming off their babies as young as nine months old, to someone who else is paid to take care of them . The entire attitude around everything must register graph is register on the gdp graph is sexist because says, well, sexist because it says, well, women mothers women shouldnt be mothers and they continually they should just continually spin corporations spin the wheel for corporations or it could say men have to help with parenting , sure, but men with parenting, sure, but men cant do that as much. In the early years of a childs development. And the child benefits because the child benefits because the child benefits from skin on skin and voice contact with the mother hours. Hours. Youre talking hours for skin on skin. Well, yeah, but if youre making the mum go back to work as possible and then as soon as possible and then giving a child carer, giving them to a child carer, the child does not rationally know difference. Actually know the difference. Actually because the mum theyve been gestated much more gestated in, they feel much more comfortable, they have many more benefits formula is also not milk with formula is also not nearly as good for a childs development. Dad cant nearly as good for a childs developevery dad cant nearly as good for a childs developevery role. Dad cant nearly as good for a childs developevery role. Were|nt replace every role. Were not interchangeable so its interchangeable and so its true. Trying hold women to true. Trying to hold women to mens standards participate mens standards of participate in the workforce is sexist. Well, i yes and no. Well, i yes and no. I am slightly with you on that. In i am slightly with you on that. In terms of the fact that the womens work is undervalued food, going to give you food, if im going to give you the doubt, the benefit of the doubt, i think you just said, connor think what you just said, connor tomlinson, work tomlinson, is that womens work is that is undervalued. The fact that women home, youre women should be at home, youre being by breastfeeding being generous by breastfeeding until are years until their babies are two years old, the world old, which is what the World Health Organisation wants us to do. Paul Health Organisation wants us to do. Paul. Respond to that. I think i some sympathy that. Ithe|k i some sympathy that. I the first some sympathy that. I the first partsome sympathy that. I the first part and; sympathy that. I the first part and; slittle thy with the first part and a little bit sympathy the second bit of sympathy with the second part what connor says. I part of what connor says. I think gdp has its place in terms of measuring activity the of measuring activity in the economy. The generally economy. That is the generally accepted its you accepted metric and its how you measure against and you judge yourself against competitors abroad and so on. But i do think theres an argument to say that actually we should have a metric, isnt just metric, too, that isnt just about pound shillings and pence. That doesnt just focus on whats bought sold in whats been bought and sold in the economy, but actually looks at things like work life balance, looks at things like general and sense of general happiness and sense of well being. And i would recommend people the best political speech heard political speech i ever heard wasnt alive at the time, but ive since robert f ive heard it since was Robert F Kennedy. Original Robert F Kennedy. The original Robert F Kennedy. The original Robert F Kennedy senior at the university of kansas in 1968, he made of kansas in 1968, where he made this very point about he was talking about Gross National product gnp, and he said that gnp we obsess about it, and it can tell us about Nuclear Warheads and it can tell us about napalm , but it cant tell about napalm, but it cant tell us about happiness of our us about the happiness of our children. Tell about children. It cant tell us about the our poetry. The beauty of our poetry. I would really urge people to watch video. Watch this video. Robert kennedy junior what Robert Kennedy junior has been saying very, very similar things recently, actually, about actually, particularly about health. Like him by the way . Ive ive got some strong reservations but reservations about him. But equally, i think he said some important stuff. And he challenges the consensus in some areas, not a bad thing i okay. You and i need to talk about gender issues again, one day. Conor tomlinson i think we could quite a good toe to could have quite a good toe to toe that one. Right. Let me toe on that one. Right. Let me know views. Toe on that one. Right. Let me kno be views. Toe on that one. Right. Let me kno be referee. Views. Toe on that one. Right. Let me kno be referee. Gbnews. Com ill be the referee. Gbnews. Com lets a quick look the lets have a quick look at the weather now. Dont go anywhere. Weather now. Dont go anywhere. Feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast another low this weekend. This ones been named storm anthony by the met office because of risk of office because of the risk of disruptive some heavy disruptive gales for some heavy rain for many others. Storm anthony is arriving through friday night. Its this area of low pressure that has been named andifs low pressure that has been named and its basically because its arriving at such a busy time of year for holiday makers. People who are taking part in outdoor activities, camping, caravanning and so on. Initially, its the rain that is of concern overnight, especially across parts of Northern Ireland where the ground is saturated. That the ground is saturated. That rain heading into western parts of the uk by the end of the night as well, accompanied by strengthening winds, dry initially eastern initially across some eastern and northern parts aside from the odd shower. But this spell and northern parts aside from th weather on. Gb news. Welcome back to dewbs co with me bev turner this evening. Turner this evening. Now, are the tories trying to privatise the nhs . Is it the right path or is the nhs simply beyond saving Conor Tomlinson and i are still arguing about who should be looking after kids here. Were going to have that conversation of john has got in of the day. John has got in touch and said, even if womens work than not affects work more often than not affects more affects more often, not affects the economy , their and economy directly, their work and looking babies inevitably looking after babies inevitably helps men generate more helps the men to generate more wealth so it is wealth to the economy. So it is counted for gdp. Done , counted for in gdp. Well done, john. Its short minded not to see that and david said we were talking about language and whether black market is racist. He said , yes, its racist, like he said, yes, its racist, like blackpool black forest gateau, blackpool black forest gateau, black tooth whitening, black chocolate tooth whitening, etcetera. Are we heading towards a non white pool . I guess he means yeah. Blackpool being means yeah. Blackpool being called non white pool, right. Called non white pool, right. Keep your views coming in with me this evening. Gb views at gb news. Uk. Conor tomlinson and paul embery are still here. Now the Prime Minister plans to tackle endless nhs waiting lists by private sector by increasing private sector involvement. Independent companies could play a huge part in conducting scans and tests at Community Diagnostic Centres, with plans for 400,000 scans. Tests and checks a year. This comes as figures show that only one out of 122 nhs trusts are fulfilling cancer diagnosis and treatment targets. So are the tories quickly on their way to privatising the nhs and should they . Were going to talk now to stella smith, who has a business which provides a private gp service. Stella, if you if you dont mind, just explain to us what it is that you do and why you have a dog in this fight, as it were. It were. Yeah, of course. Good evening. And essentially what perks does is it aggregates together individuals. So workers in Smaller Companies or self employed workers to deliver the kind of benefits you get if you worked in large you worked in a large organisation. That includes organisation. And that includes 24 7 access to a private doctor , unlimited appointments for the individual and everyone in their household 24 7 counselling and digital , virtual gym digital physio, virtual gym classes, gyms , money classes, discounted gyms, money off shopping and. And. And. Off Free Shopping and. And. And. And is just and the price point is just £4. 50 a month and people can cancel time. Its cancel at any time. Its incredibly affordable way. Dont want to turn this i dont want to turn this into a commercial for your business, but just be clear, business, but just to be clear, so offering so youre offering a subscription a low price subscription on a low price subscription on a low price subscription model. It sounds in order access an nhs as and order to access an nhs as and when you need it and to access a private doctor rather than an nhs doctor. But all of the doctors are nhs registered. Nhs registered. And then is there then is there an extra charge for the private doctor to see that doctor . You know, so and its for unlimited issues. So i have a five year old, ive used it 13 times as a bit of a mother that has a child that has lots of temperatures. So you can have as many you want for £4. 50 many as you want for £4. 50 a month. Month. Okay. Just sort of seems too good to be true. Like it seems too good. It sounds that way. Too good. It sounds that way. No, too good. It sounds that way. No, no, it sounds that way. No, no, no. Absolutely but the whole point is technology plays a part. So what we do is we aggregate people together. So imagine if the four of us or the two on the panel and yourself, we opened a gym. If we opened a gym and we had running gym and we had ten running machines we 3000 members machines and we had 3000 members and tomorrow and they all turned up tomorrow at a problem at 10 am, wed have a problem because not many people would come gym longer. In come to our gym any longer. In the have a lot of the same way we have a lot of data people use the data about when people use the doctors many. For doctors and how many. So for our 15,000 customers, need 15,000 customers, we dont need 15,000 customers, we dont need 15,000 doctors. Its that data thats by covid that thats been tested by covid that allows our point allows it. So i guess our point in this rather than a commercial, is , is that actually commercial, is, is that actually the use of technology dodi in helping those services when youve got you know, 17 odd or 7. 4, 7 million patients waiting and youve got some real crisis points that weve had for many moons in many guises, many successes, governments. Is there successes, governments. Is there a role to play for People Like Us who are really good at Building Technology trying to Building Technology in trying to help address some total solve . So but your your technology , so but your your technology, which is helping you in this situation is the fact that you can do zoom appointments. You do presumably, but you cant do zoom scans is you cant do zoom mri scans is you cant do zoom even have a look at my verruca in your nhs doctor. Verruca in your nhs doctor. Correct. And look , theres a correct. And look, theres a lot of it thats to do with resilience building and Certain Services where you can alleviate that pressure. Not all of them that pressure. Not all of them necessarily. So in your bigger question, to open , you know question, to open, you know think i dont know the answer of that and whos opinion is mine. But certainly i do know that we can use technology and private Companies Like my own to try and help support it. I think 7 of the budget already of the nhs is spent annually in the private sector and thats been there for many moons, you know, for since 2012. And before. But its how can we use that right now to make a change . And i think we dont see successive governments sitting in position where they they so they then see it through. And so we continue to have the same problem. And i just think being a technology person, i know that theres Part Technology theres a part that technology can play how can you get can play and how can you get that so you can get that relationship so you can get the best it to try the best out of it to try and make a difference. Know, the make a difference. You know, the nhs you know, my mum nhs is human. You know, my mum had cancer, she treated by had cancer, she was treated by the unfortunately, best the nhs. Unfortunately, my best friend yesterday the nhs. Unfortunately, my best friershe yesterday the nhs. Unfortunately, my best friershe in yesterday the nhs. Unfortunately, my best friershe in clinic. Sterday the nhs. Unfortunately, my best friershe in clinic. Youiay and she was in a clinic. You know, the afternoon. Its an know, in the afternoon. Its an amazing but there amazing institution, but there are problems and i think everybody on both sides of government , everybody is government, everybody is accepting of that and therefore, what can we do to change that now . Okay, thank you, stella. Stella smith, the ceo of perks, who are providing a private service. Paul and when you hear service. Paul and when you hear it like that, you think, well, that sort of sounds too good to be true. Have we all just been brainwashed nhs . The fact brainwashed by the nhs . The fact that the only way in that the nhs is the only way in this country and why . Why do we feel fearful when we talk feel so fearful when we talk about privatising it about privatising the nhs . It was you couldnt say was a phrase you couldnt say until very recently without being absolutely leapt upon that it it sacrosanct. It would. It was sacrosanct. And no, i agree that no and no, and i agree that no pubuc and no, and i agree that no Public Institution should be sort of venerated or valorised in the way that sometimes the nhs is. And frankly , im a big nhs is. And frankly, im a big supporter of the nhs, but im slightly uncomfortable at the fact that its almost now beyond criticism in certain circles , criticism in certain circles, and that should never be the case, particularly when youve got waiting lists as they are. Got waiting lists as they are. Yeah, 1 in 8 people currently on a waiting list. 7. 5 people yeah. 7. 5 Million People waiting up since waiting for treatment up since 4. 5 since before the 4. 5 million since before the pandemic know, the pandemic. You know, its the effects thats effects of lockdown, but thats a different but what i a different debate. But what i think nhs does it speaks think the nhs does is it speaks to many peoples understanding of what it is to be a Compassionate Society. Now, it doesnt mean you cant criticise the nhs , but in terms of the the nhs, but in terms of the concept where you say, look, whether youre rich or poor, whether youre rich or poor, whether youre rich or poor, whether youre a landowner or you know, or someone who sweeps the streets, if you drop down in the streets, if you drop down in the streets, if you drop down in the street from a heart attack, you will be picked up, you will be collected by an ambulance. It may sometimes these days take quite a long time, and you will get treatment that you need quite a long time, and you will get willatment that you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent that you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at|t you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at the u need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at the pointd and it will be free at the point of delivery. And no one is going to check whether insured. To check whether youre insured. No to turn you out. No one is going to turn you out. You because thats you will get that because thats what society is what a Compassionate Society is about. Paying for the about. Its about paying for the Service Taxation about. Its about paying for the servits taxation about. Its about paying for the servits there taxation about. Its about paying for the servits there for taxation about. Its about paying for the servits there for everybody |tion and its there for everybody when you cant when they need it. And you cant get more critical than get anything more critical than health care. So i that is health care. So i think that is a key principle. Not a key principle. Im not ideologically you ideologically opposed to, you know, the private sector having involvement in the National Health service where its got the ability to get waiting lists down. For example, i dont necessarily think thats a bad thing. The core service has thing. But the core service has to be public hands. For me. To be in public hands. For me. Even get word from i cant even get a word from you on this. Im sorry. Weve got to im so sorry. Weve got to move on. Weve got no time. But yeah, know what you think yeah, let me know what you think at now a tesla at home, wont you . Now a tesla can set you back 40 grand. So is the by sadiq khan the £2,000 offered by sadiq khan in his scrappage scheme. Even to going touch sides . Dont go thank you for getting in touch this evening. I was just reading this evening. I was just reading this out to conor from al. Great to have conor on the panel. He has an agile brain and an intriguing, articulate manner. He should be in government not as womens minister, though. And oh, david said that im the thinking man. Susanna reid, thank you very much. Right now i like to think that when sadiq khan wakes up at 3 am. And turns over worries in his head, the issue of ultra low emission zones and Traffic Zones and low traffic neighbourhoods takes a starring role uxbridge. By role in the recent uxbridge. By election, tories election, the tories surprisingly seat. Surprisingly held the seat. Thanks. Seems their thanks. It seems to their slightly pro car messaging slightly more pro car messaging of late. Not really surprising of late. Not really surprising when sadiq khan says things like this is what i find unacceptable though, is some of those whove got legitimate objections join in hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group who are amazing. And this week the bbc had to say sorry after one of their News Reporters described ulez protesters in this way, the ultra low emission zone held a protest in Central London today. Local protesters and mainstream politicians were joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups. And far right groups. Connor tomlinson. How is that possible . The people who are at these protests, people like those who work with the together group . Alan miller and co are fighting for Small Businesses for the right van man, for people who or woman for people who want to do their jobs and go around their life without being forced to buy a car that they dont to go. Dont want to go. Well, all all hes trying to do well because he do is poison the well because he knows untenable. All knows this is untenable. All this behavioural nudge this is a behavioural nudge policy. If hes policy. He knows that if hes seen the accurate graphs, the air quality in london has been improving year on year because funnily , as economic funnily enough, as Economic Growth improves, as Environmental Technologies improve , we use resources more , improve, we use resources more, more astutely, we use diesel just less over time because as other cars have become more efficient, he knows all thats true, but he wants to run motorists off the road anyway. So everyone in so he has to lump everyone in with mid century germans. With the mid century germans. And funny thing about the and the funny thing about the end didnt get end of that clip that didnt get played some of them played was he said some of them are, are. Some of are, some of them are. Some of them are far right and some of them are far right and some of them are far right and some of them are tories. And i was very offended the offended because i think the tories wing, you tories are so left wing, you cant put them in same cant even put them in the same box. Cant even put them in the same boxwhat make of it, what did you make of it, paul . Where do you sit on this on this debate, the ulez issue paul . Where do you sit on this on this but during the cost of living crisis, when people are struggling to make ends meet, i think the that should think the idea that you should penalise in penalise them further simply in many theyre going many cases because theyre going to sustainable. To work is not sustainable. Now, id we discussed id have more and we discussed this channel recently, this on the channel recently, i would more sympathy with would have more sympathy with a ulez type scheme if we knew that pubuc ulez type scheme if we knew that public transport was of the quality that it should be. So if pubuc quality that it should be. So if public transport in london, for example, all was cheap , was example, all was cheap, was reliable, it wasnt overcrowded, there would be an incentive for people to use it. And where people to use it. And where people to use it. And where people still chose to use their cars, there might be an argument to say, well, actually, you know, you are polluting the environment were to going environment and were to going were going to levy a small charge on until get charge on you, but until you get to think its to that point, i think its unreasonable to people unreasonable to say to people that should be charged that they should be charged first step, renationalise the railways path to. Railways on the path to. But you see the railway and i pubuc but you see the railway and i public transport system banging this drum long as i have this drum for as long as i have to railway is not to going to the railway is not to going help me as a mum trying to get three kids to Swimming Club or netball on a winters night or pick up free bags of shopping from outside the local asda on a snowy day. No, i think thats true. There will always be domestic things people have things that people have to do where not going be where its just not going to be practical to public practical to take public transport. But quite certain transport. But im quite certain that a lot of people that there are a lot of people in well. In london. I know london well. There must be thousands of people london drive to people in london who drive to work who could, if public transport cheap and reliable transport was cheap and reliable , would prepared, think, to , would be prepared, i think, to take transport. You take public transport. So you need right before need to get that right before you penalising. You start penalising. Have . Why should they have . Why should they have . Read my mind . I was did you read my mind . I was just say that. Why just going to say that. Why should have car a should they have to the car is a radical symbol of freedom and autonomy and of privacy. And for women often safety. Yes. Is that what that doesnt seem to factor into this debate ever. When i hear sadiq khan, hes clearly never run his kids to Swimming Club. No. And one of the one of the major things as well, the government recently commissioned a about a report, i think its about 2 or years ago now. They said or 3 years ago now. They said what if we met our what would happen if we met our electric target electric car target and we replace of current replace loads of the current british electric. Even british cars with electric. Even if minerals to do it, if we had the minerals to do it, even if we had the charging points it, which they points to do it, which they dont and they know they dont and said going to and they said its going to increase traffic. Great. So increase traffic. Oh great. So youve yourselves increase traffic. Oh great. So youve reason yourselves increase traffic. Oh great. So youve reason to yourselves increase traffic. Oh great. So youve reason to discourage car another reason to discourage car usage mask off moment usage and the mask off moment really its really about this is that its not lowering emissions. Not about lowering emissions. Its people from its about stopping people from having private having independent, private transport can put them transport so you can put them on the the government can the one that the government can control because as soon as control is because as soon as they the electric cars, they bring in the electric cars, theyre bring road theyre going to bring in road pricing, theyre going pricing, which theyre going to control. Little cameras pricing, which theyre going to co there . Little cameras pricing, which theyre going to co there . All le cameras pricing, which theyre going to co there . All about1eras in there . So its all about making expensive making it so expensive and inconvenient drive inconvenient for you to drive that you have to get there. That you just have to get there. Would khan want but why would sadiq khan want to do that . But hes a member of the weaf, he openly posts the weaf, like he openly posts the graphics on that. But in other words, that means that hes bought into a very big Global Vision of a world of 15 minute cities of a lack of personal freedom and a kind of top down lack of democracy, really , i would say democracy, really, i would say the power in the hands of the few. Could it be that it does sound like its stretching the realms of our imagination . I think theres a big disconnect between the governors and this and the governed in this country. If youre a country. And if youre a governor, if youre the mayor of london, if youre the Prime Minister, if youre minister minister, if youre a minister of state you will often you will always your own drivers. Always have your own drivers. You youll from a to you know, youll get from a to b very easily. You do not have to suffer the stresses and strains that ordinary people to that ordinary people have to suffer. And that that ordinary people have to suffer. And that leads suffer. And i think that leads you make decisions you you to make decisions that you see the prism of your see through the prism of your kind of privileged place within Society Without understanding the ordinary people. The effects of ordinary people. I any i dont think any environmentalism thing. Environmentalism is a bad thing. By environmentalism is a bad thing. By. But i we need by the way. But i think we need moderate environmental ism. Weve much militant, weve got too much militant, hysterical environmentalism at the. The moment. Gentlemen, weve come to the end our show. Its always end of our show. Its always a little too quick. I will just wish all cheers. They said wish you all a cheers. They said it was fizzy friday. I like it was fizzy friday. I do like a fizzy friday. Thank you, conor and paul. Up next laurence and paul. Up next is laurence fox ill you monday morning i the temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast another low this weekend , this ones been this weekend, this ones been named storm anthony by the met office because of the risk of disruptive gales heavy disruptive gales for some heavy rain for many others. Storm anthony is arriving through friday night. So its this area of low pressure that has been named and its basically because its arriving at such a busy time of year for holiday makers, people who are taking part in outdoor activities, camping , outdoor activities, camping, caravanning and so on. Initially its the rain that is of concern overnight , but especially across overnight, but especially across parts of Northern Ireland where the saturated. That the ground is saturated. That rain heading into western parts of the uk by the end of the night well, accompanied by night as well, accompanied by strengthening winds dry initially eastern initially across some eastern and northern parts. Aside from the shower. This the odd shower. But this spell of weather clears northern of wet weather clears Northern Ireland into england and ireland pushes into england and wales. Scotland showers wales. Southern scotland showers continue for much of the rest of scotland and Northern Ireland. By scotland and Northern Ireland. By end of the afternoon, as by the end of the afternoon, as the skies brighten for wales in the skies brighten for wales in the thats when the southwest, thats when the strongest kick with strongest winds kick in, with the risk of widespread gales not just around coast but inland as well. Potential for travel well. Potential for travel delays , eruption and certainly delays, eruption and certainly some dangerous conditions around beaches. Some dangerous conditions around beaches. But storm entity does beaches. But storm entity does move through and by sunday, a brighter day is expected. Still some heavy showers around. Lighter winds, however , these lighter winds, however, these showers will be slow moving where they do occur, but theyll be hit and miss sunny spells in between. And then the trend through for the through next week is for the weather gradually weather to become gradually dnen and weather to become gradually drier, and warmer. Drier, brighter and warmer. The temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Welcome to Lee Andersons real world tonight. Weve got tom joined by Barry Gardner smith, the mp for brent nonh gardner smith, the mp for brent north west who got martin daubney, whos news daubney, whos a gb news presenter. Hes going to presenter. Hes going head to head with political commentator nigel nelson. Course, weve nigel nelson. Of course, weve always the nick gibb. Always got gary the nick gibb. Hes to join for some hes going to join us for some common sense. Green goddess hes going to join us for some comm moran. E. Green goddess hes going to join us for some comm moran. Shell Green Goddess hes going to join us for some comm moran. Shell grejoiningiess hes going to join us for some cortalkingan. Shell grejoiningiess hes going to join us for some cortalking aboutell grejoiningiess hes going to join us for some cortalking about hergrejoiningiess hes going to join us for some cortalking about her childhood. Ess us talking about her childhood. And got worlds most and weve got the worlds most famous is tony famous town crier, which is Tony Appleton first, lets go to appleton. But first, lets go to the. News