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Tonight and tomorrow. There are met Office Warnings in place before that. Some of us will see before that. Some of us will see a bit of sunshine through the day today. More details coming up full forecast later on. Morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon. And im anne diamond, and this is breakfast on gb news. What do you make an of this greenpeace protest at the Prime Minister across loads of the papers this morning getting to his house in North Yorkshire, draping it with black cloth. But draping it with black cloth. But its the security aspect , isnt it . I mean, there are so many aspects to this. I think its yet another its beginning to really grate on the nerves. Is the protest itself. And were talking more about i think its counterproductive for greenpeace on this one. And just on oil or whatever, because were talking about the outrageousness of their protest rather than about their protest rather than about the issues they want us to talk about. And theyre just making themselves look really stupid. And i think then the next huge, big question mark is how could secure city have been so appalling as to let them do it . And the Prime Ministers private family home . I mean, and the question is , i mean, and the question is, if they could do it, terrorists could do it. Or its all those sort of questions, isnt it . But i mean, i agree with you because ive always been a bit of a, you know, a bit of a casual supporter of greenpeace, if you like. He used to do the whale walk back in the day and all that sort of thing. And it just seems like theyve sort of lowered themselves down to the Just Stop Oil level, particularly in this in this way. You can think of a lot of other protests that they could have done. It was a peaceful protest and they did come down after seven hours. But the fact that they could do it at all and they thought of, actually, i dont know, invade, the dont know, invade, owing the privacy they really are privacy and they really are invading of our invading the privacy of our Prime Ministers private family home. Doesnt matter who the Prime Minister is, what his politics are , or the prime politics are, or the Prime Ministers family home should really be out of bounds because we wouldnt like it if it was us. No, we wouldnt. And they wouldnt like it if it was them ehhen wouldnt like it if it was them either. Having their own private homes invaded by other people. Its some crazy. But its some its just crazy. But we have to ask, what on earth happened to the security . There must be Security Systems in place for a Prime Minister or any ministers , family house, any ministers, family house, even when theyre away on holiday. Well maybe not. I mean, they were there for two hours before police found out about it, so they cant beat anybody there. This is as disgusting as when that man got into the queens bedroom , into the queens bedroom, because what it is, is its something very important in our in our whole the fabric of british life to have either the monarch or the Prime Minister. There home invaded in this way says, i think it says a number of things doesnt it . It makes me so angry about the protesters themselves, thinking that that was a fair thing to do. Its not a fair thing to do. But but the fact that security or the lack of it allowed it to happen, and thats why weve got headunes happen, and thats why weve got headlines saying how on headlines today saying how on earth this be allowed to earth could this be allowed to happen . The police . Happen . Where were the police . Where securing me . What on where was securing me . What on earth going on if the prime earth is going on if the Prime Ministers house is so open to invaders , its just not right. Invaders, its just not right. Let us know what you think. Gb views at gb news. Com, its sort of got my view on that one. Yeah, well, i understand it. I do. You know, englishmans home is his castle. Yeah. And all that sort of thing, really. I mean, you know, it would almost be different if theyd tried to get into number 10. Yeah well, you know, thats. They wouldnt be able to. No, they wouldnt be able to. But least if theyd tried to but at least if theyd tried to do could say thats a do that, you could say thats a fair enough focal point fair enough sort of focal point for protest, but not for their protest, but not a private house. No, not a private house. Its not. Not right. But anyway. Well, dont think right. Well, we dont think its right. But you think . Maybe you but what do you think . Maybe you think a perfectly think its a its a perfectly valid let us know on valid target. But let us know on email this and email this one and gbviews gbnews. Uk. Com. Gbviews gbnews. Uk. Com. Theres lots of other things to worry about, im afraid this morning, too. Well looking morning, too. Well be looking across whats across the pond at whats happening trump happening to President Trump because it is extraordinary. And because it is extraordinary. And again, youll have a view on this. Its extra ordinary that the more the more charges that are put against him, the more his popularity seems to go up. Its very odd. Its very odd , isnt it . And its very odd, isnt it . And of course, hes just denied it. Says its all a witch hunt. Some people just believe it. But, you know, it starts to look a bit like it as well. Youve got to look at the facts in all of this, havent you . Its all about the facts. And we dont quite know what the facts are, why we need the trial. I guess something something isnt right. But into but anyway, were going into that detail this that in some detail this morning. Also talking morning. But were also talking about of about Interest Rates because, of course, know that course, you will know that yesterday 12 00, the bank of yesterday at 12 00, the bank of england raised Interest Rates by a percentage point to a quarter percentage point to 5. 2. Did. Despite the recent 5. 2. 5, did. Despite the recent slowdown in inflation. Well, with the rate reaching a 15 year high, the bank forecasts that the economy will stagnate for the next few years. However, it also predicts the inflation could dip below 5 in the Fourth Quarter. Well, speaking to our economics and Business Editor Liam Halligan , the chancellor Liam Halligan, the chancellor says he recognises the difficulties for many people. But he says our economy is on track to avoid recession. Track to avoid recession. Well the bank of england forecasts today say that we will avoid recession and in a years time well get inflation down to about 3, 2. 8, i think is the number. So although its very tough when Interest Rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans , what those that have got loans, what those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. But what youre talking about is a very fine judgement , which is what we fine judgement, which is what we pay fine judgement, which is what we pay the Monetary Policy committee to do, completely independent of politicians, because we want to make sure they get it right. They get it right. Well, our south east of england. Reporter ray addison has been speaking to people in crawley. I was going to say crawley. I was going to say ordinary people, but you know what i mean. Like us and this is what i mean. Like us and this is what they said about this Interest Rate rise. Im very lucky. Ive repaid mine a couple of years ago. I just feel really , years ago. I just feel really, really sorry for the people who do have mortgages. I work in a fine sense and i know how much it affects them. We have people coming in all the time. Ive got children that well, young adults that have a mortgage and i feel for them and always looking out for them. Course, nobodys got any of course, nobodys got any spare keep putting spare money to keep putting things doing. Things up like theyre doing. Just ridiculous. Its just ridiculous. Its just ridiculous. Well, its at the well, its awful at the moment. Im trying to still be a First Time Buyer and its just making seem even more impossible. This money, which we can have on a deposit we spend on a travels. Thats why this is this travels. Thats why this is this is the main reason, because you need some sacrifices. Yeah. We cannot abroad and as cannot just go abroad and as well say save the money for the deposit. This well say save the money for the deposit. This is impossible. Deposit. This is impossible. Well, lets talk to former special adviser to michael gove, Charlie Rowley , whos here. Good Charlie Rowley, whos here. Good to see you this morning, charlie. Thanks the problem with this , as it currently stands, or this, as it currently stands, or we inflation starting to we know inflation starting to come down, 14th consecutive hike in Interest Rates. It starting to feel punitive and a bit tone deaf well, i think , look, youre well, i think, look, youre absolutely right to highlight that inflation is starting to come down. It was at 10. 1. I think its now to down seven, 7. 9. So theres a long way to go to halving inflation, which is the governments and rishi sunaks number one priority here is five priorities quite often. But thats the number one. But the why its the number the reason why its the number one because in response to one is because in response to what some of these people were saying in crawley is that no saying in in crawley is that no one can avoid the impact of inflation. So whether you have a mortgage or whether youre a renter or a life, inflation hits everybody. And particularly those on the lowest incomes and the poorest in society. So its absolutely vital. Well, if absolutely vital. Well, if people to savings, if people want to make savings, if they save for that first they want to save for that first home, to save for home, if they want to save for that deposit, if youre going to get mortgage. Yes. Okay. Get a mortgage. Yes. Okay. Interest have up Interest Rates that have gone up will impact on people that are mortgage payers. But bringing inflation to with inflation down to help with the cost living everybody is cost of living for everybody is the priority of the the number one priority of the government. Its government. And thats why its had Interest Rates to had to raise Interest Rates to ensure inflation keeps ensure that that inflation keeps coming what will coming to down what will hopefully be about 5, half at the end of this year. And as the Governor Bank england said governor of bank of england said yesterday around about 2 or 3 in the years follow. So its in the years to follow. So its vital that inflation comes down because thats impacting on all of but its going be but its going to be a growing problem, isnt it, for the minister himself the Prime Minister himself in that might its the that he might feel its the sensible to do, but hes sensible thing to do, but hes facing a lot of pressure from other tory mps. Actually his backbenchers particularly saying you just cant do this to ordinary people because we cant fix it in time to win the next election. Election. Thats right, because therell be lots of conservative mps and i guess mps across all parties that wants to see taxes come down. You know, we have been quite highly taxed. I think its no secret that i think weve been more taxed since the since the since the Second World War because of things like covid and because are and because there are implications and backlogs in the nhs you need to sort of, you nhs. You need to sort of, you know, our Public Services know, fund our Public Services and the that we and repay the debts that we accumulated during that time. So we taxed higher than what we we are taxed higher than what we have before. And tory mps, have been before. And tory mps, youre right and will want to see taxes down. Im one see taxes come down. Im one of them. I think can only them. But i think you can only bnng them. But i think you can only bring down at a at a time bring tax down at a at a time when the economy has cooled off a bit, when inflation has come down. Then bring down. And you can then bring those rates down again those Interest Rates down again when the economy starts to grow because end up a fuelling because if you end up a fuelling a inflation again by tax cuts where people feel as though theyve got more money to spend and, you know, the economy starts to grow at a rate that you cant sort of keep up with because then that increases demand and then prices up demand and then prices go up again. So making sure that demand and then prices go up agaihave making sure that demand and then prices go up agaihave a making sure that demand and then prices go up agaihave a sustainable ure that demand and then prices go up agaihave a sustainable economy you have a sustainable economy to that we can all get to make sure that we can all get out of the economic sort of turbulence that were facing and deal that cost living. Deal with that cost of living. But the problem is Interest Rates blunt rates are such a blunt instrument and we know and its been been made worse been its been made worse actually the number of fixed actually by the number of fixed rate deals and things that are on the market now that actually any in the base rate , it any change in the base rate, it takes the best part of 12 months to have a proper impact. And so to have a proper impact. And so why cant now that were heading in the right direction , why in the right direction, why cant the bank of england actually sit back and say, right, we need to see, wait and see what happens now than see what happens now rather than causing more misery for those people who are variable rates . Well, i think that is an excellent point because i think there is an expectation that the bank of england were going to increase Interest Rates even further time round. So it further this time round. So it only a quarter of a only went up a quarter of a percentage point. Think percentage point. But i think there was suggestion that it could gone up half three could have gone up half or three quarters just to. But but i think they took that decision recognising that because inflation to come inflation has started to come down. A smaller down. So it was a smaller increase what some increase than what some expected, know, expected, which, you know, i think light on think shows a positive light on the that things are the economy, that things are moving in the direction in the right direction. Were there right direction. Were not there yet. Of the woods yet. Were not out of the woods by theres still by any means. Theres still a long to go. And that small long way to go. And that small increase reflected that. A question of so its all a question of timing. Now, isnt it . I mean, as rishi sunak is as far as rishi sunak is concerned, a question concerned, its a question of holding your nerve and then choosing the right time to either tax cuts or to either make tax cuts or to decide on other sorts of action. Do what sort tax do you know what sort of tax cuts looking at at all cuts theyre looking at at all or they not looking at any . Or are they not looking at any . Sure theyll always im sure theyll always be looking tax cuts or potential looking at tax cuts or potential to cut tax for people. But i think that would be something thatis think that would be something that is announced in any sort of autumn statement or budget. But but youre absolutely right. It is vital to hold firm, i think, and that inflation coming and see that inflation coming down pick down and seeing the economy pick up and when people start to feel and it might not be by huge amounts when people start amounts, but when people start to have that of to feel they have that sort of disposable again, bit disposable income again, a bit more pounds in their more sort of pounds in their pocket what they did last pocket than what they did last yean pocket than what they did last year, because of the tough decisions rishi former decisions that rishi former chancellor exchequer, now decisions that rishi former chanc and that gives him the a credible city. And i think the justification to go to the pubuc justification to go to the public and say, look, these were my priorities start my five priorities at the start of 2023, halving inflation, growing the economy, reducing debt , growing the economy, reducing debt, dealing with growing the economy, reducing debt , dealing with the backlog debt, dealing with the backlog in the and stopping the in the nhs and stopping the boats. This is what done boats. This is what weve done on the economy. Things are getting better. Were not out of the dont put all the woods yet, but dont put all of at risk voting for an of that at risk by voting for an alternative general alternative at the next general election. Alternative at the next general ele� butl. You can see you take but then you can see you take a step back and you can see the argument, right . The problem is theres increasing of theres an increasing number of people from loads people. Now, we heard from loads yesterday saying, well, my you know, that may happen in 12 months, but next month my mortgage is going up by £490 and i cant afford to pay it now , i cant afford to pay it now, thats a much more immediate problem and its balancing that and you cant you cant ignore that sort of pain with people, can you . Can you . You cant. But i think its about being a very direct with the public and very upfront about it. And to say that, look, there are lots of people in the private rented sector that have been paying slightly quite significantly more, i would argue, particularly london argue, particularly in london and east, than people and the south east, than people that on those those those that are on those those those those mortgage of schemes those mortgage sort of schemes of and there you of payments. And there is, you know, the government, know, work with the government, say got mortgage say the treasury got Mortgage Brokers around the table say, brokers around the table to say, look, there anybody thats look, if there is anybody thats going on a mortgage, going to default on a mortgage, you to have that you know, you need to have that flexibility. Need make flexibility. You need to make sure that doing your bit sure that you are doing your bit to protect homeowners and avoid the repossessions and all the rest so there lot of rest of it. So there is a lot of work and support out there for people that Difficult People that are in difficult times, about making times, but its about making sure everybody can the sure that everybody can feel the benefit growth everybody benefit of growth and everybody who by inflation no who is impacted by inflation no more poorest more than people on the poorest incomes. To see that incomes. We start to see that come and we to see come down and we start to see the benefits of a stronger economy. Okay. Makes you wonder how much rishi sunak is enjoying his holiday, yeah well, he does. Hes probably slightly more concerned the protesters concerned given the protesters at his house you were talking about and i thought about earlier on. And i thought just passing and you just as a passing point and you were right. You know, were absolutely right. You know, regardless of whoever the Prime Minister whatever minister is, whatever the politician any politician they are of any colour or stripe, you can disagree them vehemently disagree with them vehemently because disagree with them vehemently beca take tough decisions. And they take tough decisions. And but they should be held to account should account and scrutiny should be absolutely know, absolutely there. But you know, their Homes Private their homes and their private homes family residents homes and their family residents are limits. And are totally off limits. And whoever the Prime Minister would be, everybody can unite be, i think everybody can unite behind that these behind the fact that these actions unjustified actions were totally unjustified. Bill. Okay. Well, charlie, thank you. You again, you. What do you think . Again, we know we want to know gbviews gbnews. Com. I think thats you know, theres a lot of questions for greenpeace to answer that one and well well bnng answer that one and well well bring you some some tape, some a little bit later on when we went to the greenpeace head office to try and get some answers to that one. But also on the Interest Rate business, you see, i know a lot of the and charlie alluded to it there. You know, the banks Building Societies have been told youve got to be flexible with people. And one of the schemes can extend schemes is, well, we can extend your to 35 years, 36 your mortgage to 35 years, 36 years. Well you that means years. Well you know, that means youre paying more interest. Yes. Yes. Basically. I mean, it lowers your your monthly outgoings, but it more. And do you it costs you more. And do you want be tied to a mortgage want to be tied to a mortgage for 30 years . Youll chosen your youll have chosen your mortgage distinct mortgage for a very distinct reason, you . Reason, wont you . Chose five years is long you chose five years is long enough to you. Thats right. And youre probably will chosen it probably will have chosen it because about what probably will have chosen it bectcan about what probably will have chosen it bectcan afford about what probably will have chosen it bectcan afford for about what probably will have chosen it bectcan afford for the out what probably will have chosen it bectcan afford for the next hat probably will have chosen it bectcan afford for the next 20 you can afford for the next 20 odd but suddenly, to be odd years. But suddenly, to be told things are different, its going to be much harder. Its very difficult to take, isnt it . Course, theres always the of course, theres always the criticism that weve overextended, they overextended, which is what they say more than say when you borrow more than you really should. Course, you always do, but of course, you always do, but they to borrow it. They allow you to borrow it. Course, house prices and of course, house prices are expensive you end up you are so expensive you end up you cant do it on twice your income or whatever. Youre not going to find a place where can buy find a place where you can buy on that so bit of a on that. So its a bit of a catch 22. The mathematicians in the treasury, it seems like a very, very small amount that the Interest Rates have gone up by. But it isnt when it when it sends you over the edge. No, it isnt. No. And if youve got experience of that gbviews gbnews. Com now unbowed , gbviews gbnews. Com now unbowed, unbent and unbroken. Thats unbent and unbroken. Thats donald trump yesterday as he remained defiant, pleading not guilty to the latest round of charges against him. And there serious ones, too. Hes charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States of struction of an official proceeding and against the rights of citizens. He told rights of citizens. He told reporters that it was merely the persecution of a political opponent that. Opponent that. Well, thank you very much. This is a very sad day for america. Yeah, and it was also america. Yeah, and it was also very sad driving through washington , d. C, very sad driving through washington , dc, and seeing the washington, dc, and seeing the filth and the decay when you look at whats happening this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. Supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary. And leading biden by a lot. Republican primary. And leading biden by a lot. So if you cant biden by a lot. So if you cant beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. We cant let this happen in america. Thank this happen in america. Thank you very much. Do you want these . Do you want these . Well, lets talk to political analysts for the Foreign Policy research institute. Ronald granieri joins us now. Good to see you. As always. What do you make of this . Because the problem is and from a uk perspective, right , it just perspective, right, it just seems that what is a serious judicial matter has just devolved into nothing more than party politics. Well, i mean, this is it is indeed very serious. Well, i mean, this is it is indeed very serious. And these indeed very serious. And these are these are unprecedented charges. But the entire, lets say mr trumps behaviour after the november 2020 election was unprecedented. And so the whole unprecedented. And so the whole american political system and judicial system is placed in the difficult situation of what do you do when have the first you do when you have the first time in history somebody loses a president ial election, insists not only insists they didnt lose, which is perfectly within your say you didnt your rights to say you didnt lose an election, but actually has supporters around the country who are actively developing fraudulent lists of electors and are behaving in ways that are directly contrary to the smooth functioning of the entire process , culminating, of entire process, culminating, of course, in an insurrectionary attack on the capital of the United States. So the whole thing is unprecedented. And thing is unprecedented. And were left with that difficult situation. Is do you do you let Something Like this go . You Something Like this go . You certainly cant do that. And certainly cant do that. And when it appears that mr trump himself was was being told by some advisers that it was clear that he lost, but he decided not only not to admit that in public, but to double down on his claims of nefarious activities by other folks and to encourage increase hinckley violent rhetoric increasingly , violent rhetoric increasingly, he is, lets say , increasingly he is, lets say, increasingly problematic legal activities and then actually encouraging people to go and march on the capitol. Thats called. And of course, his defence at the moment as it is, is very strong, isnt it, when he stands there and he says, look, i am there and he says, look, i am the leading candidate to beat in the leading candidate to beat in the next election, im you know, my popularity is going up. Im going to be the person to beat. Going to be the person to beat. And therefore, thats why theyre trying to persecute me. And to his following, which is big. Thats a very convincing argument, isnt it . It is. It is. It is it is. It is. It is a fantastic self serving argument, thats for sure. And hes helped thats for sure. And hes helped along by even his alleged rivals in the Republican Party who are so lets say , afraid of his so lets say, afraid of his popularity that theyre unwilling to criticise him. That adds to the sort of the historic nature of this entire situation that you or i, if we were thinking of running for Public Office and it was known that we had suddenly been indicted on a few dozen felonies, we would probably find out our our ability to run for office is severely restricted. And yet severely restricted. And yet somehow, because of the way mr trump has been able to mobilise his rhetoric and because of the attitudes of his most staunch followers, hes actually trying to turn these negatives into positives. It is it i cant think of another example of something of Something Like this. And its clear that were in. Were getting deeper and deeper into these Uncharted Waters because hes not going to give up. And so were going to see these legal procedure proceedings continue, and theyre going to then be the background music to the president ial nominating process well into next summer. Yeah, well, what is really interesting in this, ronald , is interesting in this, ronald, is i mean, obviously, youre youre making the point of how political trump is being around all of this. And claiming it as all of this. And claiming it as a witch hunt. But there is an argument to say , isnt there . Argument to say, isnt there . Well, look, the judicial system is sick , fiercely flawed in the is sick, fiercely flawed in the United States because its so politicised and were talking about a democrat judge. Were talking about a Democratic State where hes likely to be tried with democratic more favoured jurors. And so there is an argument to say, well , argument to say, well, politically, this is pitched against him. Actually, i got to push back against that, stephen, especially when you consider that this may be whats happening in washington , dc, but happening in washington, dc, but florida is a republican state and of course, in florida , hes and of course, in florida, hes appearing before a judge that he himself appointed when he was president. So i would argue that the judicial system is operating the judicial system is operating the way the judicial system is supposed to operate. Right. We talk about operating without fear or favour. We talk about no, no one person is above the law. Its i no, no one person is above the law. Its i mean, im not saying this is this is easy or this is simple. What do you do when there is credible evidence that can be approved by a grand jury for an indictment that a political figure has has been involved in illegal activities . Involved in illegal activities . Are you supposed to shrug your shoulders and say, well, we cant possibly indict this person because then that would be to be political because be seen to be political because that that in itself would be political. You cannot political. Right . You cannot allow to intimidate the allow anyone to intimidate the Justice System and say, i have a lot of supporters who are going to me matter what. So to support me no matter what. So you you cannot dare to you cant you cannot dare to indict me. Ultimately, we have indict me. Ultimately, we have to. We have to place our our our confidence acas in the functioning of the system. Well functioning of the system. Well see what happens when things do go judge, when they do go before a judge, when they do go before a judge, when they do 90 jury, go before a judge, when they do go jury, we see go before a jury, when we see more the evidence. But but more of the evidence. But but the mere fact an indictment, the mere fact of an indictment, it , you know, as the as the old it, you know, as the as the old as the old line used to go in the Television Show baretta. Right so, you know, dont do the crime if you cant do the time, if you dont want to be indicted for trying to overthrow an election, try to overthrow election, dont try to overthrow an election. You that an election. If you think that you can the court case, you can win the court case, well, your lawyers show well, hire your lawyers and show up and thats what mr up in court. And thats what mr trump is going to do. Yeah. And the lawyers, i presume, will just string out this business until after a president ial election. There certainly a strong there is certainly a strong impulse to do that. Right. And there theyve pretty clear. There theyve been pretty clear. One one of the lines of one of the one of the lines of defence trump has is if defence that mr trump has is if he were to re elected as he were to be re elected as president , then then he could politicise the Justice System and simply have his appointed a attorney general just let the charges go and indeed, hes made pretty clear that that is one of his possible lines of defence or perhaps even pardon himself. Now you want to talk about politicisation, right . That would be serious politicisation of the of the judicial system. But no , the were going to have but no, the were going to have this challenge of this is going to be going on for while. Mr to be going on for a while. Mr trump not have any interest trump does not have any interest in to resolve this very in wanting to resolve this very quickly. Its actually pretty clear that special clear that the special prosecutor wanted faster prosecutor had wanted faster earlier dates for hearings so that this could move along more quickly. He i dont think thats likely to happen. And so we are were just going to be dealing with this for quite some time to come. Okay gregory, good to talk well, gregory, good to talk to you this morning. Thanks very much. Nice to talk to both of you. Thank you. Astonishing state. Its an astonishing state. Its an astonishing state. Makes my blood blood run it makes my blood blood run cold. That one. Yeah. But tell you what, yeah. But i tell you what, the news coming out about the biden family is biden Family Business is worrying, too. Well it is america. Better than this. It is. It is worrying. But its because this is about the system. Yes thats allowing this to happen. Yeah and you can see i can see it from both sides. If you look at it politically, if you take yourself out of it. Trump believes he is innocent of those charges and that he truly believed hed been robbed of the election and he truly believed he had the evidence to prove it. Then why wouldnt he go on proclaim his innocence and saying this is persecution . You saying this is persecution . You can see that too. But then its the evidence, isnt it . Its the evidence. Its the evidence. And one of some of which comes from mike pence , who said, comes from mike pence, who said, theres interesting one. We theres an interesting one. We had this and had conversations about this and he knew all nonsense. He knew it was all nonsense. He absolutely knew it in which case what hes done is illegal. And trump is, of course, a president ial candidate or is trying to be as well. Hes trying to be as well. Hes trying to be the nominee, isnt he . He . Mess do think . What mess do you think . Its bad here. What mess do you think . Its baci here. What mess do you think . Its baci know. Ere. What mess do you think . Its baci know. Exactly. I know. Exactly. I know. Exactly. It could be a lot worse, couldnt it . Could be a lot worse. Anyway, talking of politics here, greenpeace politics over here, greenpeace activists invaded the home of the Prime Minister yesterday. The Prime Minister yesterday. They draped his house in black sheets to protest against his approval of new oil and gas licences in the north sea. Yeah, so gb news sent ben leo to invade their headquarters instead. Instead. Can you tell them . We just want to know why they think its acceptable to invade a Prime Ministers private home. Im ben from gb news gb news. Thank you. Thank you. Is will arriba here . Not really. Im looking for will. Arriba whoever arriba or whoever. Whoever whoevers idea that was to invade rishi sunak house. Hello . Arriba how are you doing . Thanks for having us. Was that your idea to invade rishi sunak . First all, we werent first of all, we werent ianed. Invited. E ironic. Were you oh, how ironic. Were you ianed oh, how ironic. Were you invited to rishi sunak house this morning . Hes the Prime Minister of the country. Just to going make myself im just to going make myself a if thats all a cup of tea, if thats all right. Oh, yeah . Youre paid 100 right. Oh, yeah . Youre paid 100 grand a year for ideas like that. Are you going to apologise . For what youve done today . Apologise for. Can i apologise for. Can i apologise for. Turning up not just for turning up at not just the Prime Ministers house, a private mans home, where he lives his family. He lives with his family. He doesnt matter, does it . Doesnt matter, does it . Speak. Yeah defend it. I will speak. Yeah defend it. I will speak. Yeah defend it. Yeah. It was a peaceful protest. And the Prime Minister has allowed hundreds of new oil and licences and gas licences so you think its justified turning up to a mans private home where he lives with his family because hes approved oil and gas licences. There was he wasnt there. There was a matter of national news. We checked going. Made checked before going. We made sure there was nobody there. It was planned with utmost care, with he with care for security. He wasnt there. We knocked the wasnt there. We knocked on the door there was no answer. Door first. There was no answer. Knocked door. He knocked on the door. He knocked on the door. So jumped on his roof. Is so he jumped on his roof. Is that right . Knocked on the door to identify who were. Identify who we were. Going to apologise . Are you going to apologise . Are you going to apologise . Going to no, im not going to apologise. We him to apologise. We held him to account for a decision that he has backed, which is a disastrous decision on. You think . Yeah its interesting. They didnt having the they didnt like having the tables didnt they . Tables turned, didnt they . At least she they didnt. But at least she answered questions. You answered some questions. You know, to give a due know, ive got to give her a due for that. But anyway, well talk about that a little bit more later let us know what you later on. Let us know what you think, gbviews gbnews. Com outlook with boxt a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow ahead of that many places dry and bright today. But not everywhere. We do have a fair bit cloud around this morning bit of cloud around this morning and of rain over and some outbreaks of rain over North Eastern parts england. North eastern parts of england. And to see and well continue to see showers Eastern England showers over Eastern England through some heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are even the odd are possible, maybe even the odd rumble thunder. But for many rumble of thunder. But for many , out itll be a , certainly out west, itll be a much , much brighter day much drier, much brighter day than used to. And than weve been used to. And with itll with lighter winds, itll probably feel bit warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as even though as well. Even though temperatures are still only around actually still around or actually still slightly average for the around or actually still sligh of average for the around or actually still sligh of year. Average for the around or actually still sligh of year. Highage for the around or actually still sligh of year. High teens,r the around or actually still sligh of year. High teens, low time of year. High teens, low 20s, winds wont remain 20s, the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight. And here comes the rain moving into Northern Ireland this evening, ireland through this evening, then west wales, then spreading to west wales, southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland , northwest england. Scotland, northwest england. By the of the night, the winds the end of the night, the winds really up around these really picking up around these western dawn , parts of western coasts by dawn, parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through the night. Actually through the night. And actually northern scotland will generally through the night. And actually nortidry scotland will generally through the night. And actually nortidry tomorrow. Will generally through the night. And actually nortidry tomorrow. But generally through the night. And actually nortidry tomorrow. But elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its bit of a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild start in places, very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon it may cheer in afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were quite about the rain quite concerned about the rain really building up in Northern Ireland we through the ireland as we go through the day. Do have a weather day. So we do have a weather warning place that rain warning in place for that rain here for the strength the here and for the strength of the wind across parts of wales and southwest england. For more details warnings, details on the weather warnings, see website. See the met Office Website. A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news 632. This is breakfast with stephen and anne. Good morning. Good morning and happy birthday to barack obama. Birthday to barack obama. Oh, how old is he . Oh, how old is he . Guess how old. Yeah go on. Guess how old. Yeah go on. 60 odd. 60 odd. 62. 62. 62. I still think of him as a very young man. I do. I do. I do. I thought he was 62. I thought he was 62. Anyway, if hes watching, you never know. Meghans birthday. Is it meghans . Is it . Yeah is it . Yeah Meghan Markles, but shes 42. Well, all right. Yeah oh, happy birthday , meghan. Happy birthday, meghan. Birthday, meghan. He says with gritted teeth. Got to be. Got to be. Got to be. Got to be nice people. Okay. Got to be nice people. Okay. Be kind. Be kind. Meghan , be kind. No, i do meghan, be kind. No, i do think thats. Thats fair enough. Ive just got to say, nigel says nice to have you back. And it always is. Same tie as yesterday , stephen. No, it as yesterday, stephen. No, it isnt. It isnt. I was watching it isnt. I was watching yesterday. No , much more yellowy. No, much more yellowy. No, much more yellowy. That was. Well, it was my. That was my royal purple and gold tie. And this is light purple and blue tie to match. Watch he takes these watch it. He takes these things seriously. Things very seriously. Very serious. Very, very serious. Very, very serious. Scott in bromsgrove says, and scott in bromsgrove says, i just to say how happy i just wanted to say how happy i am stephen on the show am to see stephen on the show today. I worried be off today. I was worried hed be off after on air all week. After being on air all week. Oh no, that says it all, doesnt it . No, but i am off after this until tuesday. Hope. Until tuesday. To iope. Until tuesday. To blackpool tonight. To blackpool tonight. Oh, right. Oh, right. You go. Family there you go. Family there you go. Family family. Family duties. Oh, thats right. Family so thats right. Family duties. So youre working . Still youre not working . Still no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Were about talk were just about to talk about somebody never heard about somebody ive never heard of oh, come on. Oh, come on. Well, shes going to last, so listen, you know lizzo. No, i dont. Heard that. No, i dont. Ive heard that. No, i dont. Ive heard that. Ive read that. Ive read that. Tell us more. Well, were going to get to know lizzo. So lizzo one of the larger than lizzo is one of the larger than life that life acts that singers that weve out there at the weve got out there at the moment. Shes no, shes american. Shes plus size. Shes made the headlines this week because three of her backing dancers have said that they theyve filed a lawsuit against her claiming for Sexual Harassment and racial harassment. And also for body shaming. So this has been a big story in the showbiz world because lizzo has always been about body positivity and shes always been quite optimistic. Always been quite optimistic. But to her, shes sort of basically shes a large lady who stands up for the rights of women to be large. Women to be large. There is. There is. Lizzo yeah. So you can see shes plus size and so for these allegations to come out, its been quite damaging towards her and brand. Shes had about and her brand. Shes had about three days where shes been silenced and she hasnt responded to any of the allegations. But yesterday she came and she said, i am not came out and she said, i am not the villain in this situation. She says shes been body shamed her life , so doesnt her whole life, so it doesnt make her. Then to body make sense for her. Then to body shame fellow dancers. Shes shame her fellow dancers. Shes pnded shame her fellow dancers. Shes prided on having dancers prided herself on having dancers who are also plus size. Who are also plus size. Yeah, thats her statement there. She says these last few days have been gut wrenchingly difficult. Yeah, im not here to be looked as a victim, but be looked at as a victim, but i also know that im not the villain people media villain that people in the media have me to be. So have portrayed me to be. So basically, suppose that basically, i suppose that theres accusing of theres sort of accusing her of hypocrisy as they are. Hypocrisy as much as they are. Theyre saying all this so theyre saying all this act that she puts on for about body positivity, theyre saying its performance its just for performance purposes saying purposes because theyre saying behind the scenes shes been actually bit of a actually quite been a bit of a bully towards them. Its very hard believe these of hard to believe these kind of situations you situations because, you know, she has public persona she has she has a public persona and these three members, theyve kind of ganged up. Theyre doing the interview rounds, which i dont quite tasteful. Dont think is quite tasteful. I think youre going take it think if youre going to take it to court of law, save your to a court of law, save your evidence for then and it just seems a bit like they are cashing in. You never know cashing in. But you never know in situations. But it in these situations. But it hasnt made. Lizzo in hasnt made. Lizzo look in a good light. No, hasnt. And its i no, it hasnt. And its i mean, it is interesting because these do have to these sort of things do have to be seriously. But then on be taken seriously. But then on there flip side to this, there is a flip side to this, isnt not it was in any isnt it . Not that it was in any way justifies this, but you cant always believe what a performer says or does because its promoting an image. And well, thats what one of the dancers said in the interview. Rounds were saying. Like people are asking, like a lot of people are asking, why coming and the why you coming out now . And the dancer you when dancer says, when you when youre abused, find youre being abused, you find it very up at that very hard to speak up at that time. Its not until youve left time. Its not until youve left. Well, all three of the dancers did fired lizzo and her did get fired by lizzo and her team. So its you know, theres team. So its you know, theres this story is very complicated , this story is very complicated, but its, you know, bringing up issues in the media about body shaming, which has been a big thing in the industry it thing in the industry when it comes and then comes to celebrities. And then weve many of these weve seen so many of these stories people always come stories where people always come out against a celebrity. Out against a celebrity. So is she any good . No, ive so is she any good . No, ive not seen her yet. Shes im not a big fan, but she you know, shes got a big fan base there. Whats her music . Her is more like music . Her music is more like r b, hip hop. And she plays a flute as well. But again, weve never a plus act like never seen a plus size act like lizzo before. So i think this is why its a bit of a shame that its her brand and it is its damaged her brand and it is turning her against her as turning her fans against her as well. Although talking turning her fans against her as well. Iher ugh talking turning her fans against her as well. Iher and talking turning her fans against her as well. Iher and you talking turning her fans against her as well. Iher and you knowzing turning her fans against her as well. Iher and you know ,ng about her and you know, yesterday we really know yesterday we didnt really know her. Well, now, you know, her name. Well, now, you know, lizzo and now you know. So lizzo and now that you know. So shes controversial now well. Shes controversial now as well. So going see the story so youre going to see the story everywhere. Performed everywhere. And shes performed everywhere. And shes performed everywhere performed everywhere. Shes performed at glastonbury. A big she glastonbury. She has a big she has big base the uk. So it has a big base in the uk. So it is quite a big showbiz story at the moment. All right, stephanie, were going you little bit going to catch you a little bit later you in a bit. Later on. See you in a bit. Weve got all the papers heading our way very shortly. This is. Gb news. I love getting differing views in and were getting quite a few differing views, which is good. Differing views, which is good. Its good news because we like diversity of opinion , derek says diversity of opinion, derek says in regard to the pm and that Home Invasion by greenpeace no damage, no one was hurt. Were obsessed with Property Rights over human rights. See, i dont think i dont agree with that. Its not about property. Its not about his property. Its about his home. Mhm. Mhm. Fill in rugby says if this is the worst that protesters could have done then we live in a pretty safe country. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. But then again andy in dorset says the greenpeace activists yesterday should be, should be classed as an act of terrorism. Pfison classed as an act of terrorism. Prison sentences should follow. So. Ooh i dont know about that ehhen martin and chiselhurst says these have now made the sunak private residents a target for any terrorist or anarchist. His wife , his children and staff are wife, his children and staff are all now exposed. And see, all now exposed. And see, i cant help wondering whether they will be thinking its a bit like when youre burgled you never really feel happy in that home again. Home again. I want to be a little bit like that. Put it up for sale, yvonne says. Absolutely outrageous. Yorkshire heads must roll. Well, somebody i dont know if it would fall under Yorkshire Police whether it be police or whether it would be the whether its the the met or whether its the special or whatever. Special branch or whatever. This should have been i mean, this should have been something. Still shocking that it its still shocking that it was left so exposed. Yeah , but anyway, keep your yeah, but anyway, keep your thoughts through on that. Thoughts coming through on that. Theres a of im glad theres a mix of them. Thats good news. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Look at so lets take a look at todays newspapers and the times is hunt is leading with jeremy hunt claiming that britain is stuck in a low growth trap after official figures show the nation faces a sustained period of high Interest Rates. The telegraph says the Prime Minister is planning the biggest expansion of the private sector involvement in the nhs since the blair era. The mail draws attention to those eco activists scaling the roof of rishi sunak Country House without being challenged , the mirror says on challenged, the mirror says on your bike, amid tory mp mel stride urging cash, the cash strapped over 50s to get to work delivering takeaways. And delivering takeaways. And finally , the star issues a finally, the star issues a warning to holidaymakers that too much sun might turn us bold. Ooh , now thats serious. Ooh, now thats serious. Ooh, now thats serious. That is serious. Lets talk to writer and commentator candace holdsworth and political strategist and former adviser to tony blair, John Mcternan. Good tony blair, John Mcternan. Good to see you both this morning. Candace lets kick off, should we, with the telegraph and donald trump, where he says the charges against him will guarantee his victory . Yes. Guarantee his victory . Yes. Well, hes pleading not guilty to all these charges, which is conspiracy to defraud the us, conspiracy to disrupt an official proceeding , obstruction official proceeding, obstruction and conspiracy against the right to vote. I mean, those are all pretty serious. Hes going to plead not guilty. And from what ive read, his defence is going to be that he genuinely believes that the election was stolen from him. So i know how from him. So i dont know how thats going to play out in the courtroom. True what courtroom. Its very true what you. I think hes able to you say. I think hes able to mobilise his base and hes sort of putting narrative out of putting the narrative out there the Justice System is there that the Justice System is being weaponized by his opponents. And think a lot of opponents. And i think a lot of people support donald trump people who support donald trump because of the political partisanship in us will partisanship in the us will believe and they will believe this and they will believe this and they will believe other side is believe that the other side is just to their just trying to get their guy from other side, though they from the other side, though they believe that donald trump is an existential threat to democracy i the problem is obviously if the key evidence is from Donald Trumps own Vice President , eight Vice President pence , then eight Vice President pence, then that complicates the idea. This is some kind of democrat plot. Well, except , of course, mike well, except, of course, mike pence is running against him for the president ial nomination in the president ial nomination in the in the Republican Party because mike pence, one of the mike pence notes, is that his contemporaneous notes was that donald trump said to him, the problem with you is that youre too honest and that sounds like its admission that donald its an admission that donald trump knew what he was doing, trying dishonest. Trying to do was dishonest. So think this will be its so i think this will be its to going box office all next to going be box office all next yeah to going be box office all next year. Got doubt donald year. Ive got no doubt Donald Trumps to be the trumps going to be the republican. Republican candidate. Hell win. You i think hell win. Do you think win way back think hell win his way back into white house . I dont into the white house . I dont think hell win his way back into white house. Think hell win his way back into thinkhite house. Think hell win his way back into think the house. Think hell win his way back into think the midterms showed i think the midterms showed the issue of abortion has shifted opinion in america against party. I against the Republican Party. I think thats thats the biggest danger for donald trump is that the vote will be a vote on whether or not people are happy with abortion rights being taken for women. Independent voters have . For women. Independent voters hav really. . For women. Independent voters hav really. Really really. Thats really interesting, isnt it, that the problem the concept of abortion is still. Right. So high. Right. So high. So at the centre in the in american politics. Yes. Yes. And i think the democrats will go for young women believe that abortion women who believe that abortion rights very important to rights are very important to them, think with them, because i think with whats with donald whats happening with donald trump of getting a trump sort of getting a stranglehold republican stranglehold on the Republican Party, its all about appealing to people like you to the people who like you already. Its not much already. And its not so much about appealing middle about appealing to the middle wooing in dependent voters. You know, i mean, michigan and wisconsin, those swing wisconsin, those two swing states, played a key role states, they played a key role in getting him elected in 2016. And then in 2020, he lost. So and then in 2020, he lost. So lets see what happens next. Yeah, only only 40,000 votes were in it. Biden only won by 40,000 votes across three states in the electoral college. Obviously, he won by 8 million in the general election. And the popular account. But actually its targeted election. 2 or 3 states are going to matter. And its exactly where did the swing votes go and do they want a president or a president ial candidate whos in court all the way through the president ial campaign . Well, whats happened to us politics . Just crazy. And then on its just crazy. And then on the other side, bidens are the other side, the bidens are now loads of now embroiled in loads of controversy. See, its really controversy. See, its really terrible. Terrible. Biden isnt yet the adopted democrat candidate. No. No. No. So theres still time for Meghan Markle to get there. Oh, Meghan Markle to get there. Oh, Meghan Markle to get there. Oh, Meghan Markle could still get him. I loved i love joe biden, but i think id love a Meghan Markle candidacy that would be great. Are you serious or not . Why are you serious or not . Why are you serious or not . I Meghan Markle , i think. Are you being are you being deadly serious . Im being deadly serious. Shes the greatest thing thats the royal thats happened to the royal family princess diana. Family since princess diana. All in all look, in all in all seriousness. Seriousness. How can we then go from yes. How can we then go from from one controversy, partial celebrity or president . Right. To joe biden to then thinking it would be a good idea to get another hugely controversial celebrity . Celebrity . Just i just think that the idea of the of the first bloke being a british a member of the British Royal family thatd be hilarious. Theyd have to have hilarious. Theyd have to have a new name, wouldnt it . Well, first lady, what is the first prince . The first prince . The first prince. But the idea of a British Royal being in the white house is, you know, alarming enough finally regained after eight years. No. Long after 1812, we oh, no. Long after 1812, we finally got it sticks. I mean, i feel like you need to come up in the political ranks actually be a good ranks to actually be a good leader. Have political. Leader. Dont have a political. He didnt. And and thought he didnt. And i and i thought he ineffective as a he was so ineffective as a President Trump still. Mean, trump is new york i mean, trump is a new york democrat. Think hes a democrat. I think hes still a registered in new york. Registered democrat in new york. Oh, this is where it gets weird. It all gets too much. It all gets too much. Got to remember about him. He is he is a new york democrat. That makes his politics funny when hes in the white house. Hes a republican. Hes not really a republican. He was terrified, and he was terrified, apparently when he was in the white just did not white house, he just did not know to work the system. He know how to work the system. He just had someone like obama had worked hed been you worked his way up. Hed been you know, been machine. Know, hed been in the machine. He was bit in yeah. He was a bit bull in a china shop. But put him in a court of law, you know, give him that platform and he could just be campaigning. Yes, yes. yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Look, john, at lets have a look, john, at the telegraph the trying the telegraph and the nhs trying to end this backlog by involving the private sector and not dissimilar there to what tony blair did. He dissimilar there to what tony blair did. He in one sense, yes. And i welcome it. The nhs does need to have a partnership with the private sector. If its to provide the best care for all of us, whether theres a backlog where theres not a backlog because as tony used the private sector 97, 98 to cut the sector in 97, 98 to cut the waiting lists and that was very successful, very, very successful. We carried on successful. And we carried on using the private sector up until today, the thing until up until today, the thing here is, is the lack of detail. We set up new diagnostic 30 or 40 new diagnostic centres. The 40 new diagnostic centres. The money was behind the promise in the story here. It says theres going to be a dashboard , an going to be a dashboard, an onune going to be a dashboard, an online dashboard that shows where capacity is. So its about managing the existing capacity more efficiently. Thats more efficiently. Thats absolutely right. If you want to absolutely right. If you want to cut the waiting list, the lesson from tony blair, my time in in health care was you have to put more money in to get the 7 million operations done. Theres million operations done. Theres no way of doing this on the cheap. And thats whats being thats thats what being is. Dancer ill wait to see what the task the report Task Force Says in the report and think quince, the and i think will quince, the great minister. But great young health minister. But the devil as ever is going to be in the detail, the headlines, right . Always say right . And look, ill always say money though in blairs money around though in blairs time there was money time wasnt there was more money around reason theres no around and the reason theres no more around the what more money around is the what the Financial Times called the risk premium caused by the sunak and truss budget. But no, the and truss budget. But no, the thing is you need reform, but you need resources. And you you do need resources. And you can only cut this by bringing more resources to bear. And i think problem for the prime think the problem for the Prime Minister showing action. Minister is hes showing action. But raw numbers keep going but the raw numbers keep going up. He promised to he promised to bring the numbers down. And were now in august and the numbers are still going up. , think important. Well, i think its important. It like theyre going to it looks like theyre going to have capacity the have to use capacity in the private sector get the private sector to get the waiting list down. But i mean, you look at what happened last week these rutherford week with these rutherford cancer theyre cancer centres, theyre privately companies then privately run companies and then they administration they went into administration and access and then the nhs cant access the machines free. And i think thats so much thats so much the story of nhs. You know, the story of the nhs. You know, a of goes into it, but a lot of money goes into it, but theres not enough invested in things machines things like diagnostic machines and treatment machines and you know, a lot of money can be spent, but you also have to think the money is being think where the money is being spent well. Spent as well. Joined thinking any joined up thinking with any of it. Joined up thinking with any of iyes. Yes. Yes. Well, was i was at tony well, i was i was at tony blairs conference couple of blairs conference a couple of weeks one of the big weeks ago. And one of the big points being made there was points were being made there was we far fewer diagnostic we have far fewer diagnostic machines per of population machines per head of population than comparable european countries. No doubt we countries. Theres no doubt we need capital spent as need a lot of capital spent as well revenue on staff. Yes, well as revenue on staff. Yes, you need you have the you need if you have the technology then when you technology and then when you have theres such difference have it, theres such difference in scotland, they dont use their diagnostic machine on the weekend in london they do. I was offered i was offered a scan on a couple of weeks ago on a saturday morning. I couldnt do it. I did it on the tuesday, but used the get the machinery and used the get the machinery and use it as many hours of the day and as many days of the week as you can. Yes, because weve got this this this new treatment for things alzheimers. This this new treatment for things alzheimers. But things like alzheimers. But its only if its caught at the very early stages and we dont have enough mri machines per head. Were to have to head. So were going to have to increase that capacity and that leads productivity. Leads to productivity. I think thats one of the and i think thats one of the things we do need. You know, were going about the were to going talk about the economy, i think, as we go through the morning. And one of economy, i think, as we go throthingse morning. And one of economy, i think, as we go throthings to norning. And one of economy, i think, as we go throthings to getting. And one of economy, i think, as we go throthings to get growthd one of economy, i think, as we go throthings to get growth going of the things to get growth going is we need higher productivity to productivity, you to get higher productivity, you need in capital. You need investment in capital. You need investment in capital. You need every health need and every area of health needs productivity. All needs productivity. So do all of our well our other industries. Well i dont know if productivity is going to be helped at all by the latest Interest Rate rise. Candies in the times is and were being told the times says Interest Rates are not expected to fall well before the next general election. General election. Oh, this is a nightmare for the conservatives. I mean , when the conservatives. I mean, when is the latest possible point . They can call an election . I think its january 25. Yes is it in his interest to just drag this out and hope that things start going his way so that he can achieve his five pledges . Because apparently Interest Rates might go even higher to about 6 before theyre projected to fall. Or do you projected to fall. Or do you just call it next year . Just do just call it next year . Just do it. Just go it go for a may, june election, sort of argue what you need to argue instead of dealing with what we might be deaung of dealing with what we might be dealing is a sluggish dealing with is a sluggish economy, high Interest Rates, soaring mortgage rates. Blame it on russia. I think blame it on russia. I think the chart you had charlie on earlier on, Charlie Rowley and i think charlie made a very eloquent defence of the governments position and he also talked about the strategy which candice too, which candice has said too, which candice has said too, which is what the Prime Minister would like to say is at some point early year on all my point early next year on all my five indicators, all my five pledges, things moving in pledges, things are moving in the direction now. I need the right direction now. I need a mandate of my own. I want to a mandate of my own. I want to be your Prime Minister. I want the country to choose me. Vote for and will then finish for me, and i will then finish the pve for me, and i will then finish the ive started the the work. Ive started the problem is, economists are saying and this commentary on on the Interest Rate rise yesterday this is not today is not the worst its going to be only half of the pain from the Interest Rate rises is fed through the system. Yet the second half is yet to come. So every month we yet to come. So every month we go on, it gets worse for people. So what would you do when would you call an election then . I would think its in the pubuc . I would think its in the Public Interest and its in the conservative partys interest for rishi sunak to call an election in october this year to give us something to vote for. Yeah to give us october this year . Yeah im saying if you were. I dont see theres any scenario in which i could advise the Prime Minister to win. The Prime Minister how to win. What have to do is in the what you have to do is in the National Interest. So in the National Interest. So in the national you should National Interest you should let the choose the the country choose who the government the country choose who the gov because the the because the problem the problem is problem with this, though, is right. People are fed up with right. People are fed up with the conservatives you get that . Yeah, but what is labour when it comes to these fundamental problems . Give us an what is what election. What is an election. Well you. Give us the well show you. Give us the keys and well let us into number 10. We can fix but number 10. We can fix it, but you need. Thats not is it . Thats not enough, is it . Thats not enough, is it . No, no. No, no. But the problem is and with all these Interest Rates rise, of course, its the bank of englands independent anyway. My actual. My i know, but my actual. My advice Prime Minister advice to the Prime Minister would be, this leader of the would be, as this leader of the tory its in the tory party, id say its in the tory party, id say its in the tory partys interest to put the party out of this pain. They are drifting in government ministers are briefing against each other. Theres no unity, no discipline. The tory party will lose the next election. John major understood he was handing over a country in a decent shape to tony blair. I remember theres a great story about john major. He looked at the papers , then he looked at the papers, then he looked at the papers, then he looked at the papers, then he looked at a picture of tony blair in the papers, and he shook his head and said, shook his head and he said, i hope he knows what hes getting into. And i think the empathy, the sympathy between john the human sympathy between john major blair was real and major and blair was real and major handed over the country in a good shape. But does blair think now what does blair think about when we should have another election . We should should have another election . A we should should have another election . A labour we should should have another election . A Labour Government uld should have another election . A Labour Government asi should have another election . A Labour Government as soon have a Labour Government as soon as possible. Like labour does he like this Labour Government likes . Government he likes . Saw. I saw keir and no, he. I saw. I saw keir and tony together on stage at his conference. The chemistry , you conference. The chemistry, you know, you two guys know you cant fake chemistry. You cant when people are watching you talking those two talking together. Those two people had really strong yeah, people had a really strong yeah, yeah. Really yeah. And its really interesting. Ive not them interesting. Ive not seen them together before and they clearly talk time. And again, we talk all the time. And again, we would again if we would get blair again if we voted wed wed get starmer voted in. Wed wed get starmer for the first time because remember , i say this to my remember, i say this to my younger colleagues , the starmer younger colleagues, the starmer government be, if it gets government will be, if it gets elected, will be governing in the Second Quarter of the 21st century. Gosh, blair was blair was for the 20th century. You know , were well into the 21st know, were well into the 21st century now. We need new thinking that and obviously we can draw on wiser older people. But, you know, wed have a guest bedroom in number 10. Thered always be lots of new thinking in number 11. Thats what the Prime Minister changes his mind all the exactly. E weve w e weve kind of got well, what weve kind of got now is people who are sort of shifting wind a lot. Shifting with the wind a lot. I mean, you know, i wouldnt say that either rishi sunak or keir starmer have these sort high starmer have these sort of high ideals. Them ideals. I mean, the two of them changed position a lot on changed their position a lot on things. And just to back to things. And just to go back to Interest Rates really briefly. Yeah you there are some yeah you know, there are some economic thinking that actually raising Interest Rates isnt going get inflation down going to get inflation down anyway because most it is anyway because most of it is external its not its external factors. Its not its not caused by increased demand. Not caused by increased demand. And so, i mean, this this this could just cause loads of needless pain. We have to see though we have to see if it does start coming down. Yeah , no, thats a very fair yeah, no, thats a very fair point. Candice holdsworth, John Mcternan, much mcternan, thank you very much indeed. See you little indeed. Well see you a little bit later this is breakfast bit later on this is breakfast on gb views. Lets what the on gb views. Lets see what the weathers to do for you weathers going to do for you today with alex. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow ahead of that many places dry and bright today, but not everywhere. So we do have a fair bit of cloud around this morning and some outbreaks of rain over North Eastern parts of england. And see and well continue to see showers england showers over Eastern England through day. Some ones showers over Eastern England thrcpossible,1ay. Some ones showers over Eastern England thrcpossible, maybe ne ones showers over Eastern England thrcpossible, maybe even ones showers over Eastern England thrcpossible, maybe even the ones showers over Eastern England thrcpossible, maybe even the odd; are possible, maybe even the odd rumble thunder. But for many, rumble of thunder. But for many, certainly itll a certainly out west, itll be a much drier, much brighter day than been used and than weve been used to. And with itll with lighter winds, itll probably bit warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as even though as well, even though temperatures still only temperatures are still only around or actually still slightly average for slightly below average for the time teens, low time of year. High teens, low 20s the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight. And here comes the rain moving into Northern Ireland through evening, ireland through this evening, then west wales, then spreading to west wales, southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland , northwest england. By scotland, northwest england. By the the night, the winds the end of the night, the winds really picking around these really picking up around these western dawn , parts of western coasts by dawn, parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through the night. Actually through the night. And actually northern scotland will generally stay tomorrow. Elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its a of a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild places very gusty wild start in places very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon may cheer afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were quite about the rain quite concerned about the rain really up in northern really building up in Northern Ireland as we through the ireland as we go through the day. We do have weather day. So we do have a weather warning place for that rain warning in place for that rain here. For the strength of here. And for the strength of the across parts of wales the wind across parts of wales and southwest more and southwest england. For more details warnings, details on the weather warnings, see Office Website. See the met Office Website. But that warm inside but that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning. 7 00 on friday, good morning. 7 00 on friday, the 4th of august. Today Interest Rates up again. Is this going to damage our economy , going to damage our economy, though, rather than help it with the base rate at 5. 25 after the 14th consecutive hike . 14th consecutive hike . Former President Trump defiant in court. He denies the latest charges against him, but do these latest very serious charges actually boost his Election Campaign . Election campaign . Heads could roll after a major Security Breach at the Prime Ministers home. Greenpeace activists have been arrested , but how could security arrested, but how could security be so lax . Be so lax . And whats the weather going to look like for the weekend . To look like for the weekend . Theres another spell of wet and windy weather on the way for tonight and tomorrow. There are met Office Warnings in place before that. Some of us will see a bit of sunshine through the day more details coming day today. More details coming up a full forecast later up with a full forecast later on. Good morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon. Im Stephen Dixon. And im anne diamond. And this is breakfast on. This is breakfast on. Gb news. And richard has been in touch on the greenpeace demonstration. She says, ive got a lot of respect for greenpeace. However for i think it was a step too far invading the Prime Ministers disgraceful. Ministers home. Disgraceful. Lane in france morning, yeah. Lane in france morning, elaine greenpeace have elaine says greenpeace have actually changed the conversation. Instead of talking conversation. Instead of talking about change, the about Climate Change, the conversation has now turned to security or apparent of it. Security or apparent lack of it. It seems , of prominent it seems, of prominent members of family members of parliament, family members and residences. And residences. David says. Would it be for okay the media to climb the property to get pictures . No. Well, thats very true. By all well, thats very true. By all means, outside side, but means, protest outside side, but its criminal activity to enter private grounds and effectively climb the roof of the property. Climb the roof of the property. Well, yeah, you could protest outside. Yes thatd be different, but not be different. But not getting onto mind you, we got our own back on greenpeace and invaded their building to speak to them, to interview them, but they werent very happy about sean says, very happy about it, sean says, i find your reporters behaviour in confrontation with in that confrontation with greenpeace be rude. Greenpeace to be rude. The protesters didnt enter the Prime Ministers house. Why didnt your reporter climb on the greenpeace building roof . The greenpeace building roof . Well, i dont think that would be very safe to do so. Itd be dangerous to do so. Itd be dangerous to do so. But they did enter his home. They got on to the grounds and they climbed all over the building. So its the same as entering Prime Ministers entering the Prime Ministers house. I really think so. And house. I really do think so. And its interesting that wade says its interesting that wade says its clear that the Prime Ministers private house was left completely unguarded with absolutely no security measures in place. At the very least , in place. At the very least, there should have been some kind of watch kept on the property. Of watch kept on the property. Yeah, thats what i find staggering. Mean, for start, staggering. I mean, for a start, its pound its a multi Million Pound property. Private property. Its their private home. A senior home. And hes a senior politician , ian. Thats before politician, ian. Thats before he even becomes Prime Minister and minister you and being Prime Minister you would have thought that security measures would be in place. There should have been police there or security guards there something. But it was two hours, apparently , before anyone became apparently, before anyone became aware that there were protesters climbing all over the roof. Brian says if you try that in china, north korea, russia or even the usa, theyd be incarcerated for life or shot. Well you know, yes, thats true. Robert says welcome to the real world, rishi. Useless police dont turn up when your house is invaded. When your house is invaded. Thats quite a good point , actually. Yeah, it is quite a good point. But you do have to say, and you know, it costs money. It would cost us money for the pms residence to be. But you do expect the Prime Minister to have security . Well, he think it will form a Prime Ministers have got security life. I mean security for life. I mean liz truss, when she was in it for a month or two and you know, she shes got a Police Officer with her all the time because Public Office makes office nowadays puts you makes you a target it and im you such a target it and im sure dont see security sure they dont see the security they live with for the they have to live with for the rest of their life. Im sure they dont see that as a bonus, you know, as a luxury. Im sure its an absolute pain in the whatsit, but do it. They but they have to do it. They have to have because they have to have it because they have to have it because they have target by being so have become a target by being so high profile. And i think thats what to accept, surely, what we have to accept, surely, that we have pay for that we have to pay for security. In this case, that we have to pay for securitwas in this case, that we have to pay for securitwas it . In this case, where was it . Yeah, it should have been there. It should been there. It should have been there. It should have been there. Have been a there. There could have been a bomb in that house and bomb planted in that house and nobody would know about it. There could have been and there could have been somebody that somebody in that house. You know, said you know, they said greenpeace said that they knocked yeah and knocked on the door. Yeah and they theyd the they said theyd monitored the news that the news and they knew that the prime and his family Prime Minister and his family were at were away there in california at the well. That doesnt give that that doesnt give us that doesnt give you a lot of confidence doesnt know, confidence really doesnt know, especially if nobody was there. Anyway, thoughts anyway, keep your thoughts coming that gb coming through on that one. Gb views will be views news. Com. Now you will be aware that the bank of england raised yesterday raised Interest Rates yesterday by so its now by 0. 25 of 1. So its now standing at 5. 25, despite light the slowdown of inflation with the slowdown of inflation with the rate reaching a 15 year high by the bank , forecasts that the by the bank, forecasts that the economy is going to be stagnating, stagnated for the next few years. However , they also predict however, they also predict that inflation could dip below 5 in the Fourth Quarter. Well, talking to our economics and Business Editor Liam Halligan , the chancellor Liam Halligan, the chancellor says he recognises the difficulties for many people. But he says our economy is on track to avoid a recession. Bank of england forecasts today say that we will avoid recession and in a years time well get inflation down to about 3, 2. 8. I think is the number. So low, although its very tough when Interest Rates go very tough when Interest Rates 9 up very tough when Interest Rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans. Businesses that have got loans. What those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. But what youre talking about is a very fine judgement , which is very fine judgement, which is what we pay the Monetary Policy committee to do, completely independent of politicians, because we want to make sure they get it right. They get it right. But what do you think are south east of england . Reporter ray addison has been speaking to people crawley and this is people in crawley and this is what they said about this Interest Rate hike. Lucky. Ive repaid im very lucky. Ive repaid mine. Couple years ago, mine. A couple of years ago, i just feel really, really sorry for the people who have for the people who do have mortgages. I work in a finance and i know how much it affects them. We have people coming in all the time. Children that well, ive got children that well, young adults that have a mortgage and i feel for them and always looking out for them. Of course, nobodys got any spare money to keep putting things up theyre doing. Things up like theyre doing. Its ridiculous. Things up like theyre doing. Its its ridiculous. Things up like theyre doing. Its its well,ulous. Things up like theyre doing. Its its well, its|s. Things up like theyre doing. Its its well, its awful at the its well, its awful at the moment. Im trying still moment. Im trying to still be a first buyer and its just First Time Buyer and its just making things even more making things seem even more impossible. Impossible. All this money, which we can have on deposit we spend on a have on a deposit we spend on a travels thats why this is this is the main reason. Because you need yeah we need some sacrifices. Yeah we cannot just go abroad and as well say , save the money for the well say, save the money for the deposit. This well say, save the money for the deposit. This is impossible. Deposit. This is impossible. Well, lets talk to business and finance broadcaster michael wilson. Michael good to see you this morning. Look, we knew this was coming and we know there may be on the way. Its be more on the way. Its difficult to balance it out with what the chancellor says is about this giving us a soft landing eventually compared to the immediate and very sharp pain that people are feeling. Pain that people are feeling. I think for what its worth, that the discussion you had with your two commentators just before the top of the hour should be required viewing for all political parties. Because all political parties. Because you asked exactly if i may say so, the right kind of question , so, the right kind of question, the number one question is, so what do what can politicians actually do about this . Its actually do about this . Its fine talking about Central Banks raising Interest Rates, of course , those people you talk to course, those people you talk to in crawley were saying exactly what youd expect them to say , what youd expect them to say, and didnt expect anything and we didnt expect anything different. Well, just one second. The Monetary Policy committee, which makes that decision actually was there were two on there, two of that committee of nine people saying that they wanted the Interest Rate to be higher, i. E. Rate rise to be higher, i. E. Half a and only one saying they should actually hold. The others voted, as everybody or most people expected for a quarter people expected for a quarter rise. What is the hidden message coming out of this . Well, its not so hidden, is it . 2024 is going to be a flatline year for the economy. Maybe inflation the economy. Maybe inflation will come down. Do people actually care what that headline inflation figure actually is . Pensioners do because their pensions rise because of the rate of the retail price index , rate of the retail price index, not the one we just saw that the cpi, the Consumer Price index, which we saw coming down very, very slightly. But my question very slightly. But my question remains, do people actually care about those figures or do they care about the fact that basic fact that the cost of living is rising and there is nothing in what the government, the bank of england was saying yesterday that that me and other commentators actually take by saying its 2024 is going to be any better. Its not inflation. Now, it may be that the government gets to its promise of cutting the present inflation figure by half by the end of the yean figure by half by the end of the year, which they promised to do. But that doesnt say a great deal for the public, for the pubuc deal for the public, for the public themselves, the voters themselves, the people who are finding a considerable strain on the so unfortunately , the wallet. So unfortunately, im really i have to say im really sorry. I have to say that things dont look very good for 2024. Nevertheless , i for 2024. But nevertheless, i think that your discussion towards the top of the hour should be required viewing because covered all the because youve covered all the points, so, points, if i may say so, completely. And the number one question, ann, question, steven, and ann, is what would any politician do right now . Question is probably there isnt a great deal to do. No. Well no. I mean, the messages were getting at the moment from the chancellor for saying, yes, its going to its going be its going to going to be hard, its going to be hard for longer. Its the be hard for longer. But its the only thing to weve only thing to do. Weve got other messages politicians other messages from politicians saying food is saying the era of cheap food is over for, you know , were you over for, you know, were you stressed know, when you took on your mortgage . Were you stress tested to this sort of rate . Is it our fault that were feeling the pinch so badly at the moment . 7 no, its 7 no, its real 7 no, its real life. Its nobodys fault. Its just its just whats happening at the moment. Things are getting more and more expensive wherever you look. Yes. Food is getting more expensive. Water is going to get look. Yes. Food is getting more experexpensive. � is going to get look. Yes. Food is getting more experexpensive. Energy|g to get look. Yes. Food is getting more experexpensive. Energy isto get look. Yes. Food is getting more experexpensive. Energy is going more expensive. Energy is going to get more expensive. Theres no getting away from that. Its just the world. Just the way of the world. Theres many of us around just the way of the world. Thera s many of us around just the way of the world. Thera lack many of us around just the way of the world. Thera lack ofany of us around just the way of the world. Thera lack of resources around just the way of the world. Thera lack of resources and nd just the way of the world. Thera lack of resources and big and a lack of resources and big problems throughout the world, which i dont need to dwell on right here. But the question is what actually can be done . Is there anything other than the rather clumsy imposition of high Interest Rates that Central Banks around the world are having to do . The only message from from this is that things are going to get slightly worse. And we are in what economists talk about, a very dry, horrible phrase or a horrible world court, a restrictive economy, i. E. Interest the days of cheap money are over. I would say , money are over. I would say, though, for now, but dare you look forward to 2026, 2027 . Probably not. Its a long, long way ahead. And theres a lot of a lot of tough decisions to be made in the in the time until then. What is going on in the United States and indeed across lots of mainland europe, that is meaning that their inflation is significantly lower than ours. Why are we lagging behind . Why are we lagging behind . I think the what its worth, i think the bank of england were relatively slow. I think they put up Interest Rates right at the last moment. The United States was quicker off the mark. However interesting you should mention that, because today we get the jobless figures from the United States and its felt that the jobs market there is slowing or slowing very, very slightly indeed. Now, these are the most important figures for the Financial Markets throughout the world. Everything stops when this figures when these figures, when these numbers come out around about lunchtime on a monthly basis, happens to be today. That i think that the today. Now that i think that the jobs market is slowing in the United States, do they have the sort of flexibility to cope with this . Yes, i think they probably do. Is that . Because one, do. Why is that . Because one, theyre a big economy. And secondly , the labour force is secondly, the labour force is quite happy to move around to where the jobs are. It doesnt happenin where the jobs are. It doesnt happen in this country. Were very much more how very much, very much more how can i put it very much more static, i think, in terms of our job search than they are in the United States. Youre quite United States. But youre quite right, single bank, right, every every single bank, with a few notable exceptions. With a few notable exceptions. But those are sort of hermit economies like north korea are are increasing , making are actually increasing, making things restrictive. Dont things more restrictive. Dont take your eyes off the European Union. And what the ecb is doing. Yes, the European Central bank has been raising Interest Rates, but germany and france have both facing big strains of their economy , as are italy and their economy, as are italy and spain. And remember, these those four countries are the giants. Four countries are the giants. As far as the european the European Union is concerned. So European Union is concerned. So theyre having their problems as well. Im not saying theyre as bad as britain. Britain is an island, an off shore island, and a very, very small economy. But we still , you know, punch well we still, you know, punch well above our weight as far as the rest of the world is concerned. But we are following a general line Central Banks around line that Central Banks around the are doing, i. E. Making the world are doing, i. E. Making borrowing expensive borrowing more expensive in an effort to bring inflation. Effort to bring down inflation. The message from politicians, if i may just say, has be it i may just say, has to be it doesnt matter which side of the house youre actually that house youre actually on, that inflation is a hidden tax, no question that. And has question about that. And it has to be it has to be beaten down. Those of us who remember what it was before thatcher came in was like before thatcher came in in 1979, before Margaret Thatcher came in 1979, know what high inflation is and will probably remember this. You. Thank you very thank you. Thank you very much, michael. Actually, its much, michael. Actually, its interesting youre talking about jobs because one think jobs there because one think tank, according to the guardian, one prominent think tank, is predicting that the price for taming inflation will be an extra 350,000 people on britains dole queues. Britains dole queues. Yeah, possibly. Who knows . Or yeah, possibly. Who knows . Or it may be actually. The interesting thing is what you should be doing is also as well as taking a note of these headune as taking a note of these headline figures, if i may say so, is it would be quite interesting to know what Small Businesses and entrepreneur owners are thinking right now. I suspect that that a lot of those companies and i talk to them quite regularly for all sorts of different reasons. A slightly more optimistic btec than than the big general figures at the moment. I mean, you get the chancellor saying that of course now is not the time to what around supermarket around like a supermarket trolley, saying. Yes, trolley, as he was saying. Yes, they right too. So they quite right too. So it would send out all the wrong kind signals, but the fact is kind of signals, but the fact is there is still a beating heart amongst Small Businesses within this think this country. And i think i dont think it enough is made of them. Find very them. They find things very difficult. I were difficult. If i were a politician, make id try to politician, id make id try to make life as easy as possible for the biggest employers in the country who happen to be the vast bulk of Small Businesses. How that work, yeah. How would that work, though . Mean, obviously though . I mean, obviously theres things like theres pressures on things like theres pressures on things like the Business Rates which have increased and all the rest of it. I mean, you could you could reduce all of that. That would make a significant difference. I think it would. I think yeah, but how does that but mike, explain to me how if growth. If that stimulates growth. Right, but how does that then impact inflation . Well, thats thats thats the thats the terrible sum, isnt it . Thats the terrible sort of machine that you have. The work, the moving parts that i think the answer to your very good question about that, stephen, when is the question stephen, is when is the question 7 stephen, is when is the question . If you want growth in . I mean, if you want growth in the future, have to be the future, you have to be encouraging entrepreneurs and you be making a stable you have to be making a stable environment from from which they they can flourish. I dont feel that happens at the moment in the uk, but its a really difficult its a really difficult its a really difficult message to sell and politicians will always go for an easy option because thats just what they do. But i mean , just what they do. But i mean, one is right about these kind of things. Youre right about this, stephen. You have to do you have to somehow engender growth. But at the same time not chuck away the orthodoxy in the way that liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng did over that very short period, which is one of the reasons were facing the kind of problems that we are at the moment. Oh goodness, it was a short reign, but it certainly had its effect. Michael, well leave you there. Thank you so much for there. Thank you so much for joining us. Do you know, its interesting the point that interesting that the point that michael was making is if michael was making is that if you try remember the time you try and remember the time before, even margaret you try and remember the time before, and, even margaret you try and remember the time before, and, you1 margaret you try and remember the time before, and, you know, aret you try and remember the time before, and, you know, arshould thatcher and, you know, i should be to remember it, but be able to remember it, but politics very interesting politics wasnt very interesting until came until Margaret Thatcher came along. Made it along. She suddenly made it fiery worth talking about. Fiery and worth talking about. And she had a big job ahead of her, too. But she she did. Well. Well, its funny. Well, i remember it, but. But not from the same perspective. But i was only very small at the time. But the idea of, you know, we had candles, there were always power cuts and there were always day weeks. And i remember doing my homework to candlelight. Yeah which is extraordinary. We did homework to candlelight. Yeah whthats extraordinary. We did homework to candlelight. Yeah whthat then. Aordinary. We did do that then. Its crazy, isnt it . So, i mean, are we being very snowflakey not being able mean, are we being very sn get akey not being able mean, are we being very sn get through not being able mean, are we being very sn get through what being able mean, are we being very sn get through what is eing able mean, are we being very sn get through what is not able mean, are we being very sn get through what is not yet. E to get through what is not yet a recession and hopefully wont be . A different world, be . Its a different world, though, be . Its a different world, tho it h, be . Its a different world, tho it is, except more, dont we . It is, except more, dont we . Yeah. The idea and its back yeah. And the idea and its back to i mean, remmys been in touch because i know the pain people are feeling with rates. Are feeling with high rates. And the was paying 16 and you the 80s i was paying 16 and you know, weve all been there through different points. It through at different points. It doesnt whats doesnt lessen it for whats happening who happening now for people who say, mortgage is going say, you know, mortgage is going up £500 a month, you cant up by £500 a month, you cant afford it. Well, look the general well, look at the general price a house. Price of a house. To only what, 2 2 and used to only be what, 2 2 and a times. A half times. Two and a half times. Two and a half times. And now its ridiculously not its much more than than its much, much more than than two and a half times. Anyones salary. Its ridiculous. Crackers , isnt it . Its crackers, isnt it . Yeah. What can the yeah. So what can the politicians actually do in all this . Michael was saying its actually incredibly complicated because want to do one thing because you want to do one thing while not throwing out the sort of economic orthodoxy with the other hand. Charlie rowley is former spad special adviser to michael gove and joins us now. Good morning. Morning. Morning. So this these are the sort of so this is these are the sort of questions which spads will be asked by their political masters. Surely at the moment, especially in the treasury. So especially in the treasury. So what how how do we get a handle on this . How do we how do we sort out economically and sort it out economically and politically and try to win voters over . Well thats a very good question for your views and for this morning, because it is going to be central to the Election Campaign. So having a strong economy, making sure that people feel the benefit of a strong economy, having that pound their having that pound in their pocket after been pocket again after whats been a tumultuous period last year tumultuous period and last year that and michael said a that you and michael said a short reign, under the short reign, 49 days under the previous administration, but had huge impact on peoples bills. And i think what the government obviously and can do is obviously does do and can do is and is right to do is to allow Monetary Policy to be set. And the Interest Rates by an independent bank of england. So they are, you know, the government influencing government isnt influencing that. Its own that. Its not marking its own homework. Allowing bank homework. Its allowing the bank of what it needs of england to do what it needs to to bring inflation down, to do to bring inflation down, which benefits everybody, and particularly those the lowest particularly those on the lowest incomes are to feel incomes that are going to feel the of inflation and the impact of inflation and higher food bills and energy bills and daily cost of bills and the daily cost of living than more than living more than more than anybody so that anybody else. So having that independent to independent bank of england to set Monetary Policy is one set the Monetary Policy is one thing. But at the same time the government do its when government can do its bit when the right to lower taxes i if thats 5mm if thats the direction, it can at the edges to make feel can at the edges to make us feel as being cared for as though were being cared for as though were being cared for a bit, couldnt it . Exactly. And it the department for International Trade around and trade will be going around and trying to bring inward investment uk. It can investment into the uk. It can cut it can ensure that cut taxes. It can ensure that there the Economic Conditions there is the Economic Conditions to growth country. To allow growth in the country. All of the Prime Ministers top three priorities, halving inflation, growing the economy and reducing debt will have a long term impact on the economy for the better and well see the country strength to strength. What happens things and what happens with things and i youre not an economist, i know youre not an economist, so im putting on the so im not putting you on the spot a little bit now, but a lot of people say, well, look, if you want to have an impact, reduce like vat, which reduce Something Like vat, which would impact would have an Immediate Impact on would on everybody, but would something then end up Something Like that then end up stimulating spend than stimulating spend rather than just saving us money and therefore or have a negative impact on inflation, then i think youre totally right. Theres the conditions that you need to create to have the sort of the natural growth and investment and but at the same time, if youre reducing vat, on the one hand, but still with the need to sort of fund Public Services and to pay off the debts that we accumulated in in dunng debts that we accumulated in in during covid and beyond, youve got to sort of take somewhere to take somewhere else. Take from somewhere else. So its balancing the books and its balancing the books and its a balancing act to get right, to make sure that you dont end what you dont end up doing what you would to do to fund other would have to do to fund other things. Have a vat, which things. If you have a vat, which is now, thats is to borrow more. Now, thats something the government something that the government has totally ruled out, and rightly because because rightly so, because because interest up and Interest Rates are going up and it costs even more to borrow and someones that back someones got to pay that back and be future generations and itll be future generations that are lumbered that that are lumbered with that cost , the next , which is unfair on the next generation. Its making sure generation. So its making sure that, you you do the right that, you know, you do the right things that you for can things and all that you for can the that is now to get the the time that is now to get the inflation down, grow the economy and a strong stable economy. When you are a special adviser, as and youre adviser, as you were and youre going into adviser minister at the moment, advise them the moment, do you advise them on different options . Do on various different options . Do you spreadsheet, as you go in with a spreadsheet, as it well, this is scenario it were . Well, this is scenario one. Is scenario two and one. This is scenario two and this three. You know, have this is three. You know, have you argue each one to them and leave them to decide , is that leave them to decide, is that how it works or is it more like a debate . Well, i think theres every special adviser in every team is different because depending on their skill set and whos in. But you know, in terms of the economy, i think what would be happening is that there are a brilliant economists in the treasury would for treasury who would be there for whoever government. So whoever is in government. So its group of highly its a very group of highly trained and high class sort of Civil Servants that will set out some of these non political , non some of these non political, non non political. But of course, were special advisers can come into their own to say, well, into their own is to say, well, actually can make that actually you can make that decision, but that will impact on of people. On a particular group of people. Maybe the poorest in society, or it might actually have an adverse on group of adverse effect on a group of people know, in just people that, you know, in just maths of economic thinking maths terms of economic thinking that the treasury and the Civil Servants might not have thought about. Having about. So its having that political attachment it and political attachment to it and something that might be, you know , you know, something that know, you know, something that the public can sort of get behind. So there might be a big campaign to cut vat in particular areas. Now, that particular areas. Now, if that sort of over , you know, sort of takes over, you know, treasury Civil Servants be treasury Civil Servants might be resistant to a particular campaign hand. But if campaign on the one hand. But if its politically advantageous or also right thing to do for also the right thing to do for the public, then its where the public, then then its where the public, then then its where the crossover between the Civil Service and the political advisers will see. Thats thats interesting, isnt it . Because its and thats part of the problem, though. I you know, we understand it because we know politics is this machine in. But its that balance between oh, is its that balance between oh, is it politically advantageous. Oh and is it good for the country . And theyre not you know, theyre two different issues. Well, and absolutely and to take a case in point and you know on the reverse, as it were. So you know the pasty tax you remember something which, you know, its this day. Know, its still to this day. I mean, actually i dont mean, its actually i dont think bad to save. Youre think that bad to save. Youre eating something thats either cooked chilled or not. You cooked or chilled or not. You you pay. A sausage you just pay. Its a sausage roll. Your pasty, you pay. Roll. Your pasty, you can pay. You can pay the same price for it, because of the impact it, but because of the impact that would have in a that it would have in a particular sector and because it was of outrageous that just was sort of outrageous that just because government because you know, the government had on on a tax that had to row back on on a tax that theyd put up so there are situations where you think economically this makes total sense. But then politically and sense. But then politically and in media and, know, it in the media and, you know, it can do political damage in the long you have to long term and you have to reverse ferret, you only have to watch. Yes, ministers, youre the second person this week who said reverse to me. Ive only had to look it up to see what it actually means. You . Have you . Have you . Yes. So is a legitimate phrase. Reverse ferret. Reverse ferret. But it was it was painful, doesnt it . Well, you charlie , well, there you go, charlie, really good to see you this morning. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Extraordinary. You learn a extraordinary. You learn a new phrase every day , dont you . New phrase every day, dont you . You do. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Do. You do. You do. An odd one. Its an odd one. Now , lets talk about now, lets talk about security for politicians in the wake of what green peace did yesterday by scaling the walls and the roof of the Prime Ministers private home and nobody was there to stop them. Its a secure city risk. Should they have more security . Should more have been done . Were going more have been done . Were going to get the reaction of former chief treasury secretary to the treasury, david mellor, after your weather with alex. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning alex weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow. Ahead of that, many places dry and bright today, but not everywhere. We do have a fair bit of cloud around this morning and rain over and some outbreaks of rain over northeastern parts of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northellzrn parts of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to see and. And well continue to see showers Eastern England showers over Eastern England through day. Some heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are possible, maybe the odd are possible, maybe even the odd rumble thunder for many, rumble of thunder. But for many, certainly itll be a certainly out west, itll be a much much brighter certainly out west, itll be a with lighter winds, itll probably feel quite a bit warmer as well, even though temperatures are still only around or actually still slightly average for slightly below average for the time high teens, low 20 time of year. High teens, low 20 was the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight. And here comes the overnight. And here comes the rain into northern rain moving into Northern Ireland through this evening, then to west wales, then spreading to west wales, southwest england and southwest scotland, southwest england and southwest scoendi, southwest england and southwest scoend of the night, the winds the end of the night, the winds really picking up around these western coasts by dawn , parts of western coasts by dawn, parts of the and northern parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through night. And actually through the night. And actually northern will generally northern scotland will generally stay tomorrow. But elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild in places. Very gusty wild start in places. Very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon may cheer in afternoon and it may cheer up in northern but were Northern Ireland, but were quite concerned about rain quite concerned about the rain really up in northern really building up in Northern Ireland go through ireland as we go through the day. So we do have a weather warning in place for that rain here and the strength of the here and for the strength of the wind wales and wind across parts of wales and southwest for more southwest england. For more details weather warnings, southwest england. For more detithe weather warnings, southwest england. For more detithe met weather warnings, southwest england. For more detithe met office ther warnings, southwest england. For more detithe met Office Website1ings, southwest england. For more detithe met Office Website atgs, see the met Office Website at that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Its 7. 30. Good morning to you this is breakfast with stephen arade dam. Now , as weve been talking now, as weve been talking about during the morning, greenpeace activists invaded the home of the Prime Minister yesterday , his private home. Yesterday, his private home. They draped his house in black sheeting in a protest against his approval of the new oil and gas licences in the north sea. Yeah, so they invaded his house, so we sent ben leo to invade theirs as well. We just want to know why they think its acceptable to invade a Prime Ministers private home. Im ben from gb news gb news. Thank you. Is weird to hear. Not really. Im looking for world war aribo or whoever. Whoever. War aribo or whoever. Whoever. Whoevers idea that was to invade rishi sunaks house. Hello. Areba how are you doing . Thanks for having us. Was that youridea thanks for having us. Was that your idea to invade . Rishi invited. First of all, we werent invited. Oh, how ironic. Were you oh, how ironic. Were you ianed oh, how ironic. Were you invited to rishi sunaks house this morning . The minister of hes the Prime Minister of the country. Im just to make myself im just going to make myself a cup of tea. If thats all right. Oh oh, yes. Youre paid 100 grand a year for ideas like that. Are you going to apologise for what done today . For what youve done today . Apologise for. Should i apologise for. Should i apologise for. For turning up at not just the Prime Ministers house, a private mans where private mans home, where he lives his family. Doesnt lives with his family. Doesnt matter, it . Matter, does it . I speak. Defend it. Yeah. It was it. Yeah. It was a it. Yeah. It was a peaceful protest. And the Prime Minister protest. And the Prime Minister has allowed hundreds of new oil and gas licences. So you think its justified turning up to a mans private home where he lives with his family because hes approved oil and gas licences. He wasnt that was he wasnt there. That was a matter of national news. We checked before going. Made checked before going. We made sure nobody there. It sure there was nobody there. It was care, was planned with utmost care, with for security. He with care for security. He wasnt there. We knocked on the door first. There was no answer. Knocked on the door. He knocked on the door. He knocked on the door. Jumped on his roof, is so you jumped on his roof, is that right . He knocked on the door. Identify were. Identify who we were. Are going to apologise . Are you going to apologise . Are you going to apologise . Im not going to no, im not going to apologise. We held to apologise. We held him to account decision that he account for a decision that he has which has backed, which is a disastrous decision. The last few well, in the last few minutes, police minutes, the police have confirmed the suspects who confirmed the five suspects who were been released were arrested have been released on bail. Were arrested have been released on bail. Lets were arrested have been released on bail. Lets talk to david on bail. Lets talk to david mellor, former chief secretary to the treasury, who joins us now. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Well, look, in some respects, you know, theyve you can say, you know, theyve theyve their protests. Theyve had their protests. Theyve point. But theyve made their point. But shouldnt there be a bit more security around house of the security around the house of the prime in these of Prime Minister in these days of terrorist mean, terrorist threats . I mean, i love the police. I was brought up to love the police, but my for the police, but my love for the police, but my love for the police diminishes somewhat in recent and you keep recent years. And you keep thinking, right, theyve hit rock bottom, the police. It cant get any worse. And then, of course, it does. What on earth are the north Yorkshire Police doing allowing rishi sunak home to go unpaid affected . Yeah, i mean, look , affected . Yeah, i mean, look, attacking peoples homes is not attacking peoples homes is not a new thing. When i was the minister responsible for animal experimentation in a big job and actually rather a difficult job because it was very hard to get it right, i woke up one morning and theyd thrown red paint all over the front of our house. Of your private house . Of your private house . Yes, private house. Its taken but you know, taken a lot of. But you know, i was a minor. I was a sort of just a minor cog in the wheel for the Prime Ministers home to be so readily invaded. What if theyd terrorists . Be so readily invaded. What if the what . Terrorists . What . What . Have in there and have they gone in there and planted a bomb responsibility . Then guard or at is it then to guard or at least mount some of least mount some sort of security around private security around his private home . The police, the local police . Well, i mean, the local police would work with special branch and whoever is looking. So why wont special branch asking , where were they . I guess asking, where were they . I guess i guess what were dealing with here is the assumption that once hes on the road, they look after him. But his private home, i mean, lets forget about those poor little girls and why they should have to go through that. But why is it as open as any other farmhouse up in up in yorkshire . But you see what yorkshire . But you see what i think is going on here is Just Stop Oil. Have been commanding the headlines and i bet you there were people at greenpeace said we cant have this, we cant have these people. Theyre dominating the airwaves. We got to get our oar in as well. Dominating the airwaves. We got to get our oar in as well. And to get our oar in as well. And so thats what they have done. Now you know how this works. Now you know how this works. Derek says. Its the person who is protected, not their property , you know . Is that the case . No. I mean, look, if you went to down the Prime Ministers official residence , its just official residence, its just because he wasnt there, didnt mean you could walk in there if you went to number just you went to number 10 just because he wasnt there. No i mean, its in any way if that was a rule, which i dont think it is, i mean, the rules are crazy. Remember when john crazy. I remember when john major moved from being a foreign secretary to chancellor. He woke secretary to chancellor. He woke up the following morning and there was no policeman on his door. There was no policeman on his door. Door . Why . Because the door. Door . Why . Because the foreign secretary is entitled to a copper on the door and the chancellor isnt. I mean, this is bs baffles brains, isnt it . But yeah, the reality is that someones home. I mean , lets someones home. I mean, lets just forget about the morality of it. Someones an englishmans home should be his castle. Its a dreadful thing that they could do if those people wanted to plant something, they could. Yeah, well, john says its exposed a massive Security Breach. Couldnt it . Could an experienced spy gain access to personal properties and plant bugs and cameras . Of course. Yes. Hes dead, right . Yeah well done, john. Well done, john. What mystifies me is that some either rishi sunak himself or one of his people werent asking the question about when. When were off on our holiday. Now, whos, you know, is the house going to be protected and is there security of some sort . Im just surprised that somebody didnt ask and make sure that maybe they did or maybe theres an assumption , which is probably an assumption, which is probably an assumption, which is probably a assumption make these a rash assumption to make these days this would days that all this would be taken of. Taken care of. Know, i remember as you know, i remember as i proceeded towards the heart of government, i kept thinking at some to hit some point im going to hit a bit where Everybody Knows the answer everything. When answer to everything. Well, when i the centre where it i got to the centre where it wasnt quite like that and i think this is a classic example of it, but if someone had planted a bomb, who would have known when the sunak got back the other thing, while youre kindly letting me bang on how much longer are we going to put up with this where Just Stop Oil can do this . Greenpeace is i nofice can do this . Greenpeace is i notice these people have been released on bail. Why . It was trespass at the very least. Oh, and criminal damage as well. You know, and you have to say to yourself, are we going to tolerate these people disrupting all kinds of national events, sporting events, that kind of thing at some point, 1 or 2 of them have got to go for quite a long stretch. You know, like admiral bing, when he was shot on his quarterdeck, it was pour encourager les otra encourage encourager les otra to encourage the others. And i think a few the others. And i think a few stiff sentences might provide the necessary encouragement. Well all that is in our control i well, david, good to see you. Now were to going catch up with you a little bit later on. Thank you a little bit later on. Thank you very much indeed. We did try to get off. We wanted to do this as a debate, really, and we tried get hold of some tried to get hold of some actavis outs protesters or actavis outs or protesters or someone a differing view, someone with a differing view, couldnt anybody couldnt get hold of anybody this one. But, this morning on that one. But, you we will keep trying. You know, we will keep trying. Now its 737. Yeah, right now its 737. Yeah, right now its 737. All the news views from all the news and views from this mornings in this mornings newspapers in just a moment. Youre watching breakfast on news as. Morning again. Yeah. 741. Lets look at the papers this morning. The times has jeremy hunt claiming britain is stuck in a low growth trap after official figures showed the nation faces a sustained penod the nation faces a sustained period of high Interest Rates. And in the telegraph, were told the Prime Minister is planning the biggest expansion of private sector involvement in the nhs since the blair era. The nhs since the blair era. We dont seem to have those front pages for you, so lets ditch all of that and just go straight to mcternan and straight to John Mcternan and candice who are candice hallsworth, who are going give take on going to give us their take on whats going today. Whats going on today. Good to see both morning. Lets see you both this morning. Lets kick the telegraph. Kick off with the telegraph. Candice it looks like oil candice and it looks like oil pnces candice and it looks like Oil Prices May spike again. Yes. So this is a very interesting story in the telegraph. Mohammad interesting story in the telesalman mohammad interesting story in the telesalman is mohammad interesting story in the telesalman is puttingiohammad interesting story in the telesalman is putting upammad interesting story in the telesalman is putting up oilnad bin salman is putting up oil prices. People think its to compensate for the big borrowing on his new city in the desert neom. And this is also happening alongside russias supply cuts as well. So the big question is, does this just ify just continuing to extract as much oil as we can from the north sea and have as much Energy Security and have as much Energy Security and independence as possible . So were not just as subject to external factors like this. So maybe rishi sunaks timing is very good. What i dont understand with this though, and i dont if either of you know, but isnt it a case that even if were sort of using our own oil, weve still got to funnel it through the global market, which will affect the price because its because its produced in british seas , it doesnt mean we can set seas, it doesnt mean we can set british prices the price of oil is set by the global market. If theres an international shortage, it makes north Sea Oil Fields more profitable because the price goes up. It doesnt the price goes up. It doesnt cut the price , the petrol pump. Cut the price, the petrol pump. And for me, the fluctuations with, you know, with saudi and with, you know, with saudi and with the russians affecting the oil price , it says, well, lets oil price, it says, well, lets keep going to renewables. Lets have lets use our own wind, our own sea to generate our own hydro to generate power. Thats under british control and is like its the cheapest, the Cheapest Energy in the country at the moment. So it would be better to invest in in an energy thatis better to invest in in an energy that is british controlled than one that is controlled by who , one that is controlled by who, who the so in the opec. Who sets the so in the opec. Opec in the in the 1970s in response to israel winning the 1973 arab israeli war, the Oil Producing countries got together and they said , we are going to and they said, we are going to start a boycott of countries that support israel. And so that that support israel. And so that they created an organisation which then starts to actually , which then starts to actually, rather than do boycotts , lets rather than do boycotts, lets lets raise prices. And they lets raise prices. And they worked out supply and demand , worked out supply and demand, you know, see the pricing of so if you if you if you if you slow down the supply , the price goes down the supply, the price goes up because the demand is there. And so then that caused the recession of the late 70s, the oil price shock. And in a sense, oil price shock. And in a sense, were still living in that world. And the power that they realised they got russia is not really a member, but the russia works in alignment think works in alignment i think doesnt it . Russia and the saudis opec basically saudis and the opec basically goes hope on goes to show theres no hope on the horizon. Although candice yeah, although looking although with with looking at although with with getting supplies from the north sea, if youre especially if youre looking at it in terms of emissions, is theres less than if youre getting lng natural gas imports, say, from america, which were two times less, which were really reliant on at the moment. So there are trade offs and benefits there. There would be, except because its global british oil tends to go to where our oil wants to be used, which is refined external, and its sold externally and we bring into our refineries oil from other countries. Globalisation countries. The globalisation makes it really hard, not not just to set the price locally for oil produce in the north sea, but to actually to, to guarantee that we would then refine it and use it here. So the market is so integrated, its very artificial to say we could have british gas or we could have british gas or we could have british oil or we could have british oil or we could have british oil or we could have lng in in the end, were going to have to get i mean, the one thing that greenpeace right about is greenpeace are right about is were stop were going to have to stop using oil and gas. Otherwise is the of burning and fires we the kind of burning and fires we saw in the mediterranean saw in the in the mediterranean in in recent weeks. Thats going to be more and more common. And so for our Energy Security, which i agree with canada, but we an Energy Security. We need an Energy Security. Lets to renewables , but lets go to renewables, but lets actually go to using less energy. Lets actually insulate our victorian edwardian Housing Stock , great homes for people , stock, great homes for people, but theyre a bit leaky with heat. So theyre very leaky with heat. So we really have to put and thats possibly lots of really good working class jobs. All right. Well, lets connect this, candace, to the express and the mail, because looking at greenpeace and the you know, the theyre effect, Just Stop Oil theyre in effect, Just Stop Oil activism at Prime Ministers home. Its a really point you its a really key point you make in the article, in make because in the article, in the express article, were the express article, they were saying new leadership saying that the new leadership whove taken greenpeace, whove taken over greenpeace, they to move away they actually want to move away from they believe to be from what they believe to be their aged tactics and their middle aged tactics and they want to be more like Extinction Rebellion and more like stop oil like Just Stop Oil the groups are driving as old crackers. Crackers. Exactly. Crackers. And tly. Crackers. And i y. Crackers. And i was know, we were and i was you know, we were talking in the break. Was talking in the break. I was saying, i wonder what the saying, i just wonder what the role social is in all role of social media is in all this. Its incentivising the this. So its incentivising the sort sensationalist behaviour sort of sensationalist behaviour where youre violating boundanes where youre violating boundaries , but all youre boundaries, but all youre thinking about is clip you thinking about is a clip you want online to get want to put online to get attention. Its negative. I attention. Its so negative. I really dont agree with it. And actually you dont advance your cause. Everyone just ends up talking about them. So you dont advance cause. Although advance the cause. Although i think its a really good its a really good point you make there. I think the social media point, we discussed it, which is that we live in a we live in an attention economy and the thing thatis attention economy and the thing that is incentivised is the shock, the talking point. And so shock, the talking point. And so we wouldnt be talking about greenpeace if theyd given a petition to the house of commons and for a lot of the day, i suspect people on on will be sending messages into the to different presenters on the shows across the day talking about this issue. Yes. Yes. But theyre talking about negative stuff. They changed they changed the conversation by being so outrageous. Were talking about their activism and the way theyre demonstrating and whether thats acceptable. Were not talking about their issues. And i think theres a candace is talking about is theres a perverse incentive in a way, which is to get attention in a to the surface, not to the detail , because what we need to detail, because what we need to talk about is the substance. And weve got an issue. Weve got an issue. I think weve got someone like me who would have sort of has supported greenpeace in the past when i was younger and now would be a sort of a sort of what call a soft supporter what you call a soft supporter of greenpeace, a middle aged supporter of middle aged tactics. Yeah, well, saying no. Yeah, well, saying no. Now wouldnt be but now they wouldnt be getting of my money. But now they wouldnt be get now, of my money. But now they wouldnt be get now, thisf my money. But now they wouldnt be get now, this is ny money. But now they wouldnt be get now, this is ny nproblem now, this is the problem because you to bring people because you need to bring people on side and you actually you need mature about that and need to be mature about that and you need to be able to advance your and have respect your arguments and have respect for can for people that they can understand where coming understand where youre coming from trying to shock from rather than trying to shock them them. Them or alarm them. I mean, so childish. I mean, thats so childish. But think just the but dont you think just the point made about social point you made about social media is there media people will be looking for media is there media people will be numberlooking for media is there media people will be number of king for media is there media people will be number of hits . For the number of hits . Exactly. Exactly. Theyll theyll say 3 million hits that twitter. Hits on that on twitter. And a half life. And that has a half life. Thats what people dont realise. You dont get long credibility that. Youll credibility from that. Youll get a short burst of attention. But you build up the sort but you dont build up the sort of you need to affect of reputation you need to affect real change and dont think i didnt notice, john, that you pointed out middle aged. Pointed out i was middle aged. I mean, what a liberty there. I mean, what a liberty. Its true. There. I mean, what a liberty. Itbutje. There. I mean, what a liberty. Itbut nevertheless , im im but nevertheless, im im sorry. I cant say the truth on the on your show. Im sorry. What is middle aged . Well, this is it. No, no, i need to revisit that. No, no, no. I still. Im in my 60s. I claim to be middle aged. Yeah. My parents say they just entering middle age now. Theyre in late 70s. Theyre in their late 70s. Theyre in their late 70s. Clearly are still you clearly are still a youth. Youth . Hes a youth man. A youth . Hes a youth man. Im a year old youth. Hes im a 50 year old youth. Hes a young man. There you go. Have a look . Oh, should we have a look . Oh, lets look at this one, lets have a look at this one, john, because getting john, because were getting a bit the star and were bit tired of the star and were turning into slapheads. If we go in too much. In the sun too much. Well, its. Its really interesting, isnt it . The what happens sun british happens when the sun british people their clothes . People take off their clothes . What they go pink. Pink what happens . They go pink. Pink as lobsters. Do. As lobsters. Yes, they do. Wherever are in the world. Wherever they are in the world. They take their they dont take care of their bodies. And a real risk bodies. And theres a real risk on that. But i suspect for men this go straight their this might go straight to their vanity, maybe vanity, which is, well, maybe i should on a hat, because the should put on a hat, because the story says its not simply the sun. Its going out in the sun without a hat on. So. And hat, what stops your hair growing . But it stops the sun damaging your hair and increasing the risk of baldness because sun damage is sun damage is our skins. We know all women know that sun damaged skin. We should all take more care about our skin and sunburn. But this actually another effect. You dont really see it as because its on see it as well because its on the your head. And so the the top of your head. And so the advice i think any, any, advice is what i think any, any, any sun, sun Cancer Charity would give, which is, you know , would give, which is, you know, put on sunscreen, wear sunglasses, put on a hat, isnt it . Slop. It . Slip, slap slop. Dont go out. Wear dark yeah. Dont go out. Wear dark glasses, wear long sleeves. Glasses, wear long sleeves. Man, we do want yeah. But man, we do not want to go bald. No, that is it. Its a very good campaign. Well, they always say if you want about anything, want to campaign about anything, hit in vanity. Hit people in the vanity. Yes. Although the worst is when you get burnt in your party like that. Because how do you put cream there . Its just put sun cream there . Its just the awkward place the the most awkward place in the world. Got to wear world. No, youve got to wear a hat. So youve always got to wear a hat to a hat. Wear a hat to wear a hat. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. Lovely. Good to see you both this morning. Catch up this morning. Well catch up with a little bit on. Yeah. Now, new research is showing that holidaymakers are being charged times more charged up to four times more for when paying for Airport Parking when paying on rather than in on arrival rather than in advance. Yes. Advance. Yes. Yes. Yes. Surely this cant be shocker. Its appalling, though. The pnces its appalling, though. The prices are going up just to drop somebody off. Oh, the drop off charges are ridiculous. Now the biggest price difference sister difference was manchest sister airport. I think this airport charging. I think this was for a week , £406 on arrival. Was for a week, £406 on arrival. All compared to £95 if pre booked. Why is it going up . Are we being fleeced in yet another way . You think youve got a you know, you think youve found a bargain, a ticket to fly, and then you suddenly found that youre being punished when you get to the airport. Joining that youre being punished when y0|now to the airport. Joining that youre being punished when y0|now is the airport. Joining that youre being punished when y0|now is travelirport. Joining that youre being punished when y0|now is travel editorjoining that youre being punished when y0|now is travel editor for|ing that youre being punished when y0|now is travel editor for the us now is travel editor for the sun, minow. Hello there, sun, lisa minow. Hello there, lisa. Morning well, you look beautifully. Sun kissed this morning, but tell us about these airport charges. It seems like airport charges. It seems like theyve suddenly happened and theyre hiking up. Theyre hiking up. Its a bit of a tale as old of time. Weve seen this happen year and year out. And it definitely is the case that if you book in advance, you are going to make major savings. And going to make major savings. And this is the latest research from the which. The consumer group, which. Theyve discovered that when they looked charges in april they looked at charges in april for booking in august, they for a booking in august, they were up to four times cheaper if they booked it four months in advance. And its always going to be the case if you want to get the best deals youve got to book as far in advance as possible. Problem people possible. Problem is, people tend book their holiday. Tend to book their holiday. Great. The holiday great. Weve got the holiday booked they dont really booked and they dont really think the things think about all the other things like airport like getting to the airport until much closer to the time. And thats the way that you actually then going to be actually are then going to be charged because closer charged more because the closer you time of your you get to the time of your departure, youre again, its then supply demand. Then down to supply and demand. Everybody booked everybody else has booked their parking parking parking and the parking providers can increase price providers can increase the price they charge because theyve got much more demand. Theyre but i mean, be fair to these mean, to be fair to these Airport Parking places, thats common sense , isnt it . Common sense, isnt it . I mean, and i hate to sound smug, but for years and years and years, whenever ive booked and years, whenever ive booked an airline ticket, the next thing ive done is get online and book the parking. Yeah. And it really does make sense to do it straight away to make sure that youve got the two tied up at the same time, and also to do some research. I mean, you know, theres which survey know, survey found that you know, using comparison using Price Comparison website and checking exactly what youre booking where youre booking booking and where youre booking when booking, can when youre booking, you can make real savings , as their make some real savings, as their research that actually it Research Found that actually it was sometimes cheaper to get the on from the actual on site parking from the actual airport itself than to go to one of the off site parking where you would have to have got, you know, perhaps a coach or a taxi back into the airport. So it really is worth doing your research at booking research and at least booking four months in advance, at least that you just booked the that even if you just booked the day online, youre going day before online, youre going to make a savings and turning up there on the day and probably best to plan as much as you for can a relative to actually drive you to the airport pick you you to the airport and pick you up or to use public up again or to use public transport isnt far less of transport isnt that far less of a than trying to park a headache than trying to park your the public your car at all . The public transport would be a fantastic way of doing it, but of course whats happening this saturday, were going to see yet another rail strike which to rail strike which is going to impact both manchester and gatwick airport. So its not always that you can rely on that. Yes, of course. The best place to the best thing to do would to public transport would be to use public transport and we have actually got some very services, very very good Train Services, very regular into the regular Train Services into the likes heathrow,gatwick, likes of heathrow, gatwick, luton , manchester. Its just a luton, manchester. Its just a case at the moment with this industrial action were seeing. Case at the moment with this inchant action were seeing. Case at the moment with this inchant relyon were seeing. Case at the moment with this inchant rely on were seeing. Case at the moment with this inchant rely on itere seeing. Case at the moment with this inchant rely on it everyeing. Case at the moment with this inchant rely on it every time you cant rely on it every time. Of that, if youve. Also on top of that, if youve got very Early Morning flights, its sometimes not possible to take public transport because youre being there, getting there theyve actually there before theyve actually sort and going again sort of got up and going again and this Research Found and again. This Research Found that looking at airport that as well. Looking at Airport Parking with a hotel can sometimes mean that youre not actually paying that much for the hotel room itself. So you you buy a weeks parking and a hotel, stay the night before and it can be as little as £12 more to stay in the hotel the night before, giving you a bit more time morning. So you do time in the morning. So you do have get up so early. And have to get up so early. And also another great way to do it means doing your research. Does indeed. Lisa, good it does indeed. Lisa, good to see you. Beautiful weather there in of france. In the south of france. Lets see its going do over see what its going to do over here alex. Here with alex. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning alex weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow. Ahead of that many places dry and bright today. But not do have a not everywhere. We do have a fair bit of cloud around this morning and some outbreaks of rain northeastern of rain over northeastern parts of england. Continue to england. And well continue to see over Eastern England see showers over Eastern England through heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are possible, maybe even the odd run but for many, run of thunder. But for many, certainly out west, itll be a much drier, much brighter day than used to. And than weve been used to. And with winds, itll with lighter winds, itll probably quite a bit warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as well. Even though temperatures only temperatures are still only around or actually still slightly average for the slightly below average for the time of year. High teens, low slightly below average for the time the year. High teens, low slightly below average for the time the winds igh teens, low slightly below average for the time the winds wontans, low slightly below average for the time the winds wont remain 20s, the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight and here comes the rain moving into Northern Ireland through this evening, then spreading to west wales, southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland england. Scotland, northwest england. By the of the night, the winds the end of the night, the winds really picking around these really picking up around these western coasts by dawn, parts of the and northern parts of the east and northern parts of scotland well stay dry scotland may well stay dry through the night. And actually northern generally northern scotland will generally stay tomorrow. But elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its a bit a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild in places, very gusty wild start in places, very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. May well see some england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon it cheer up in afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were afternoon and it may cheer up in north concernedi, but were afternoon and it may cheer up in northconcerned aboutvere afternoon and it may cheer up in north concerned about the afternoon and it may cheer up in northconcerned about the rain quite concerned about the rain really building up in Northern Ireland as go through the ireland as we go through the day. Do a is just going to damage our economy, though, rather than help it. Help it. Former President Trump defiant in court. Hes denying all the latest charges against him. But do these latest very serious charges actually boost his Election Campaign heads could roll after a major Security Breach at the Prime Ministers private home. Five greenpeace activists have been arrested. Theyve now been released on bail. But the question remains , how could question remains, how could security actually be so lax . Security actually be so lax . And whats the weather looking like for the weekend . Looking like for the weekend . Theres another spell of wet and windy weather on the way for tonight and tomorrow. Tonight and tomorrow. There are met Office Warnings in place before that. Some of us will see a bit of sunshine through the day today. More through the day today. More details up with full details coming up with a full forecast out later on. Good morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon and im anne diamond. And this is breakfast on. Gb news. This is breakfast on. Gb news. When it comes to our home, is our castle sort of sort of thing. So many of you getting in touch this morning about greenpeace invading the private home of rishi sunak and his family and two young children. He wasnt there. He was on holiday. But nevertheless, because its not just the fact that theyve done it, its also raises the question, what does this mean for terrorists, for Foreign Countries , intelligence Foreign Countries, intelligence officers, all that sort of thing, who could get onto the grounds, plant cameras, plant bombs, do whatever. It seems bombs, do whatever. It seems very odd that this has been allowed to happen, doesnt it just make britain look to the rest of the world and certainly to the of the worlds to the rest of the worlds terrorists like an easy touch . Well, its in england. Well, its easy in england. You get into the prime you can even get into the Prime Ministers house. Yeah dont like i dont like dont like messages out polls. Messages giving out polls. Been in touch. Got that one. Yeah asa yeah as a kent Police Firearms officer in the late 90s and early 2000, part of our role was Armed Security at patrick mayhews house and Michael Howards house, even when they were not in residency. This is a disgrace. Yes. Yeah, of course. Patrick mayhew as Northern Ireland secretary wasnt he . And michael howard, home secretary. Secretary. So i guess they would have been. They would have been on the target list at that the ira target list at that time. Yes. But nevertheless , time. Yes. But nevertheless, theres so much going on in the world today in terms of were talking about our Prime Ministers private home. That top yeah. Surely that is top rated and rated for security. And yet there appeared to be none. We are told that the greenpeace activists to get on top activists managed to get on top of the roof and, you know, do their protest for a good two hours before anyone even knew they were there before police were alerted. It took were alerted. And then it took another 5 or 6 hours to get them down, down. But, you know, there are other perspectives, mark high. Mark says this little prank by greenpeace insignificant greenpeace is so insignificant compared to the extinction of our entire planet. Get the news in perspective. Were heading to a cliff edge and politicians just carry on as business. Carry on with business as usual. Whilst rome is burning, or quite literally flooding. Literally flooding. Yeah. Wouldnt they have made the same sort of impact if theyd done it on a i dont if theyd done it on a i dont if theyd done it on a i dont if theyd done what they did on a on an Office Building you know somewhere official but not, i think we all we all understand the right to protest as long as it doesnt stop people getting to a hospital and things like that. But this sort of protest would have been okay. Okay. Acceptable, would it, if it had been office block or some been on an office block or some sort of a government building . But not on the Prime Ministers private house . Well, they could have. I mean, they could have protested outside the house. Yes, in public areas with the sign, as they did , they held a sign, as they did, they held a sign, as they did, they held a sign up. They could have projected onto the projected something onto the building. It would have been building. It would have been highly irritating. But nevertheless, perhaps would nevertheless, perhaps that would have that would done something. And in somerset has an interesting it. He said, interesting take on it. He said, no wonder theres a shortage of Police Patrols the number no wonder theres a shortage of po politicians. The number no wonder theres a shortage of popoliticians. Have number no wonder theres a shortage of popoliticians. Have andnber of politicians we have and theyre all guarding them instead patrolling our instead of patrolling our streets. Should for streets. They should all pay for private security. Fair private security. Lets be fair. Paid enough at the. They get paid enough at the taxpayers expense. Yeah. So several people making the point that surely rishi sunak is rich enough to be able to provide his own security. Well, he is. Well, he is. He is. But im not sure that that thats the point. Because then if then because then if its then what happens get what happens when you get someone in cant afford someone in who who cant afford that level of security . What do you get paid for being pm now . You get paid for being a pm now . About 150,000. Yeah. Well thats i know its a lot of money, but its not enough to therefore pay to pay for private security off the back of that. You couldnt afford to do that. So it should be a part our responsibility. Be a part of our responsibility. I think doug in daventry says regardless a home regardless of your views, a home is out of bounds. The greenpeace protesters should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Give them a fine or community service, susan says, without protest , women wouldnt have the vote. Im all for greenpeace. Well, yeah , and robert and guildford yeah, and robert and guildford doesnt like what we did at gb news. We sent a reporter in. Well, hes a producer actually, isnt he . I think he went in to sort of barged his way into the greenpeace headquarters. Robert says. I greenpeace headquarters. Robert says. I think it was crass to send him in to invade the greenpeace premises. Send him in to invade the greenpeace premises. I dont agree with greenpeace protesting at the Prime Ministers home, but at least they didnt enter the building and confront people like your reporter. Two wrongs dont make a right. Well look, its a valid point. Its a valid its a valid point. Its a point. Its a point. But did reporters job. But he did a reporters job. He i thought he did he did. I thought he did extremely well. Actually. He just fact that just showed up. The fact that they wouldnt like it being done to them. You havent been yeah, you havent been invited, the boss. Invited, said the boss. You havent invited, said the boss. You havit|t invited, said the boss. You hav it was a really silly thing it was a really silly thing for her to say because the lack of invitation was what their whole protest was about, wasnt it . So i dont know. I think its i think i totally get your point, actually. And point, robert, actually. And you know, welcome criticism. Know, we welcome the criticism. Yeah. Because thats thats fine i but lets hold all yeah, lets see. Yeah. Each other to account. Why not. Yeah but i just, i sort of think it raised a fair point in a, in a non threatening and perfectly. Its really just when he helped himself to a cup of tea, just making a cup of tea now. Yes. I mean, fair. Fair enough. All right. Yeah, but that was humorous. He wasnt doing anything threatening. Joe threatening. No, no, no, no. Joe in wellesbourne very in wellesbourne makes a very good point. Yes. Because good point. Oh, yes. Because when of it, rishi when you think of it, rishi sunak leaving that, i mean, he must have staff. You must have people he . People youd think, wouldnt he . Were dont know. Were they. I dont know. Wouldnt you . Its not that i dont know. Its not that big. I mean, look, theres £2 million grade two listed building. 2 million. 2 million. Yeah. Its only 2 million. Itd more that. Yeah itd be more than that. Yeah joe, only 2 million. Well, yes, but, you yeah. Well, yes, but, you know, dont know if youd have know, i dont know if youd have staff joe in wellesbourne says its all well and good for greenpeace to say that no one was the was in when they knocked the doon was in when they knocked the door. An occupant, door. What if an occupant, possibly had decided door. What if an occupant, possib answer . Had decided door. What if an occupant, possib answer . Theresecided door. What if an occupant, possib answer . Theres no ied not to answer . Theres no knowing what trauma these actions could cause. Yes, i mean, greenpeace they mean, greenpeace said they checked the minister checked that the Prime Minister and family were off on their and his family were off on their holidays, thats say holidays, but thats not to say who been behind who might have been left behind in the house. And it must it could have been very frightening for is, its for anyone. The point is, its not to do not right to do it. With all of this and this but with all of this and this is i dont if this is is and i dont know if this is accurate or not, because we dont know what that fabric was was made of. It was an awful lot of being used to drape over of it being used to drape over the shirley in mansfield the house. Shirley in mansfield says greenpeace, how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oilreenpeace, how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oil isenpeace, how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oil is usedce, how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oil is used to how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oil is used to produce how the house. Shirley in mansfield says oil is used to produce the much oil is used to produce the fabnc much oil is used to produce the fabric they use to drape over rishis well. Rishis home as well. Potentially quite yeah, potentially quite a lot, yeah, because used in the because oil is used in the production nearly anything at production of nearly anything at the moment, isnt but then the moment, isnt it . But then you a lot of these you get a lot of these protesters. Saying protesters. Ellies been saying when the just stop when shes covered the Just Stop Oil they all turn up oil protesters, they all turn up in diesel cars vans with in diesel cars and vans with their placards. Yeah. And things. Its rank things. I mean, its rank hypocrisy, you hypocrisy, but there you go. Keep thoughts coming keep your thoughts coming through. News news. Com. Meanwhile, rishi sunak is on houday meanwhile, rishi sunak is on holiday as we know, enjoying a houday holiday as we know, enjoying a holiday with family. But holiday as we know, enjoying a holiday with family. But i holiday with his family. But i wonder much he reads the wonder how much he reads the headunes wonder how much he reads the headlines or hes kept. He must be briefed day. So it be briefed every day. So it wont entirely be a holiday without worries for him because the bank of england has raised Interest Rates by 0. 25 points to 5. 25, despite right the slowdown of inflation. Yeah, well, that means that base rate has reached a 15 year high. The bank is forecasting the economy will stagnate for the economy will stagnate for the next few years. Well, thats not good for anybody. However, it also predicts that inflation could dip below 5 in the Fourth Quarter of this year. Well, speaking to our economics and Business Editor Liam Halligan chancellor jeremy Liam Halligan chancellorjeremy hunt says he recognises the difficulties for many people. But our economy is on track to avoid a recession. Bank of england forecasts today say that we will avoid recession and in a years time well get inflation down to about 3, 2. 8. I think is the number. So low, although its very tough when Interest Rates go very tough when Interest Rates 9 up very tough when Interest Rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans. What those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. But what youre talking about is a very fine judgement , which is very fine judgement, which is what we pay the Monetary Policy committee to do, completely independent of politicians, because we want to make sure they get it right. They get it right. What do you think . Our what do you think . Our southeast of england reporter ray addison has been speaking to people in crawley and this is what they had to say about it. Im very lucky. Ive repaid mine. A couple of years ago. I just feel really, really sorry for the people who do have mortgages. I for the people who do have mortgages. I work a finance mortgages. I work in a finance and i know how much it affects them. We have people coming in all the time. Got children that well , ive got children that well, young that have young adults that have a mortgage and i feel for them and always looking out for them. Of course, nobodys got any spare money to keep things up money to keep putting things up like theyre doing. Ridiculous. Its just ridiculous. Its just ridiculous. S this money which we can have we spend on a have on a deposit we spend on a travels thats why this is, this is main reason because you is the main reason because you need some sacrifices. We need some sacrifices. Yeah. We cannot abroad and as cannot just go abroad and as well say , save the money for the well say, save the money for the deposit. This is impossible. Deposit. This is impossible. Well, lets talk to former chief secretary to the treasury, david mellor, who is back with us once again. David look, you understand these things probably better than us. Is there better than most of us. Is there any sense to what the bank of england doing in that its england is doing in that its such a blunt instrument that inflation is heading in the right direction and its actually going to take a long time for any of these measures to properly filter through . Its one club absolutely. Its one club golf crudest possible golf of the crudest possible kind. 14 increases in interest kind. 14 increases in Interest Rates. There is no evidence actually, that increasing Interest Rates has that much impact on inflation. What it does have an impact on is the ability of the economy to recover and the chancellor was talking about, you recover and the chancellor was talking about , you know, recover and the chancellor was talking about, you know, needing to get away from low growth. You do not get away from low growth by pricing money at such a level that people who wish to invest cant really afford to do so. Its a question of time, though, as weve often said, why doesnt why dont they just halt . Well, theyve done it now, havent they . But i was going to say, why dont they just hold off for a bit and see what happens . Because things seem to be getting slightly better. Look i which columnist it was be getting slightly better. Look i usedhich columnist it was be getting slightly better. Look i used toh columnist it was be getting slightly better. Look i used to always1nist it was be getting slightly better. Look i used to always writet was be getting slightly better. Look i used to always write whos who used to always write whos in charge of the clattering train . Train . Oh, yes. Well, whos in charge of this clattering train . Rishi sunak does know about economics , but hes obviously economics, but hes obviously got lots of other preoccupations. Im a great fan of the chancellor, both as a person and when he was at the health department. But he has never spent a minute in the treasury except when he was asking for more money for health and so on. He has, and so he is not in a good position to to stand up the pressures from the bank of england. And look, its all a question of i was just i looked up all the governors of the bank of england since i became politically active, and some of them i knew very well. And im thinking these men were much more impressive than this guy. Look, youve got to make your mind up. And i look at Andrew Bailey on the telly, he doesnt do it for me. He doesnt doesnt do it for me. He doesnt do it for me. Why is he still there . Its part of the issue with this. So as Liam Halligan was saying yesterday, that the bank of england, the Monetary Policy committee, is not independent enough , theyve sort of fixed enough, theyve sort of fixed into a group think now rather than getting some proper independent voices in. Well, its perfectly obvious, isnt it . I mean, i was looking up the figures this morning because i prepare for my meetings with you. Oh, good to know. Oh, good to know. And with oh, an i know, but actually, its quite frightening. 800,000 fixed term mortgages are going to fall in between now and the end of the year and next year, 1. 6 million are going to fall in. Now, what that means is in every case, a family whove been used to a certain level of outlay and theyve got themselves on a lengthy mortgage a couple of years, this, that and the other, theyre suddenly going to be faced with current prices. This is not fair. I faced with current prices. This is not fair. I mean, this is something each one of these families should be spared that. Now no one could offer someone a soft landing in everything, but i if you dont believe as i dont, that increasing Interest Rates is the way to deal with this problem, all youre doing is inflicting misery on literally millions of decent british families and of course, im sure rishi doesnt need anybody to tell him this. Or if anybody to tell him this. Or if he doesnt sort this out. He doesnt sort this out. Yes. Yes. If we had to spend more time with that lovely house in yorkshire, maybe protect it from invaders. Yeah, but thats why its a real question of timing for him too. Hes got to decide whether to go for an early election, actually, and seek a mandate not to go to go on hopefully with a successful policies or or just throw in the towel, i suppose. Yeah s yeah s thats right. And what i dont understand, you see, i was a victim of the general election of 1997 where the tories have been doing quite well in the run up to that. Kenneth clarke was up to that. Kenneth clarke was chancellor , the economy was chancellor, the economy was doing well, but people wouldnt forgive the tories for the mess up theyd made earlier on. And i worry that the verdict, the dangeris worry that the verdict, the danger is the verdict is in that the tories seem a bit of a shambles and can you cease to be a shambles over the next 1518 months . Its possible , but months . Its possible, but unlikely. But the most worrying thing is, even if they cease to be a shambles, the voters wont forgive them. No, but then that leaves the very real question with all of this, because obviously were worried about interest. Were worried about this decision. It is done decision. It is done independently. Anything else independently. Anything else that goes on, you cant get a clear answer from labour. They say well sort it out. John mcternan before said, well if labour get in well sort it out. I love but you dont know how. No. And i love john. Hes got ten times the intelligence and most people he consorts most of the people he consorts within labour party. But but within the labour party. But but you its governments lose you see its governments lose elections, opposition wins dont win them when you get a good opposition. And theres no doubt about to take tony about it, we tend to take tony blair bit for granted. But im blair a bit for granted. But im in 1997 when tony blair appeared to have the magic dust. I dont to have the magic dust. I dont think Keir Starmers got much magic. Nobodys got tony blair hovering over his shoulder, apparently. Well who knows . Some people are very reluctant to leave the stage, arent they . But the oh, woe me. Arent they . But the oh, woe me. Well, you and but no , but you well, you and but no, but you know what im saying . That basically, ali, if things dont get better for the tories have had it, even if they do get better, they might still have had it. Do long term governments always end looking shambolic . Yes. Every enoch powell. Not a name. We should mention these days. We always says every political career ends in failure. Yeah, and thats what it does. Yes do you know that when you thought. I know you say when you go into politics, hopefully, you know, with rose tinted glasses , know, with rose tinted glasses, does anyone ever tell you that, you know. No but itll all end in but its not in tears. But its not a rational decision to go into politics. Yeah. And of course, increased hinckley. Most people who are rational and dont go into politics because theres a when i think of the strength of Margaret Thatchers government, i dont mean little me. Who is the youngest minister for four years. Im talking about big boys like William Whitelaw and Geoffrey Howe and people like that there, arent there equivalents in politics today. Equivalents in politics today. Everyone, youre quite youre regarded as a veteran when youre 35 or something. Now, im not against being 35. I rather wish i was 35 again now. But the reality is there is such a thing as experian , which gets you as experian, which gets you through and i believe if there were a bit more experience around as we look at this ridiculous know where we started 14th successive rise in Interest Rates. I think people with rates. I think people with better memories, people with more experience wouldnt inflict that on the public when there is no guarantee that its going to actually impact on inflation. Certainly not to the extent that of the political damage that is done. Yeah , thats a very fair point. David, as always, its good to see you. Thank you very much indeed. Its interesting you talk about not having enough older politicians here, older and experience in america. Yeah, experience in america. Yeah, theres nothing but it seems no very old politicians seek re election. Its funny what dave was saying, though, reminds me and i cant remember who said it, but it was some celebrity because, you know, this is absolute craving at the minute. People just want to be famous. And said to me,. Yes. And they said to me, fame, not to me in a quote, fame is like climbing a mountain. Is like climbing a mountain. Only when you get to the top, you realise theres nothing there. And i just thought thats really thats very good. Very good. Very good. Yeah. They dont crave to be yeah. They dont crave to be famous. Famous. Except that people do dont they. They go on and on craving it and they go on and on craving power, which is probably even more a lure than fame. Yeah. More of a lure than fame. Yeah. Put two together and youve put the two together and youve got, american candidates. Oh well, yeah, its a fair point actually. Shall we go on to america . Shall we go on to america . Shall we go on to america . Oh, should we . Because guess who is unbowed, unbent and unbroken . Oh, yes. No points for getting donald trump , who getting donald trump, who remained defiant yesterday as he pled not guilty to the latest round of charges against him. Yeah, and those charges are very serious indeed. Hes been charged with conspiracy to defraud the us , obstruction of defraud the us, obstruction of an official proceeding and against the rights of citizens, he told reporters that it was merely the persecution of a political opponent. Well thank political opponent. Well thank you very much. This is a very sad day for america. And it was also very america. And it was also very sad driving through washington , sad driving through washington, dc and seeing the filth and the decay. When you look at whats decay. When you look at whats happening , this is a persecution happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary. And leading biden by a lot. In the republican primary. And leading biden by a lot. So if leading biden by a lot. So if you cant beat them, you persecute them or you prosecute them. We cant let this happen in america. Thank you very much. In america. Thank you very much. Do you want these . Do you want these . Well, lets talk to our reporter, paul hawkins, whos been following all of this morning to you, paul. Never supposed in america, supposed to happen in america, says President Trump. Says former President Trump. Well, neither was an attempt to overthrow the election, i guess would be the response to that one. Yeah, thats thats thats the thrust of what the the general thrust of what the prosecution will say. They when prosecution will say. They when the trial does eventually begin. And we dont know when its going begin. Going to begin. Going to be ages. Its going to be ages. Its going to be ages. Isnt yes, isnt it . Yes, isnt it . Well, yeah, ive been well, yeah, ive just been reading that median time for reading that the median time for criminal in dc is 18 criminal cases in dc is 18 months. And that includes people who plead guilty , which of who plead guilty, which of course speeds up the process. So speedy trial will have to wait and see. And also, given the calendar that and i think weve got a little graphic here that shows that we should have one that shows the calendar. This is this is this is how it looks for the next 18 months leading up to the next 18 months leading up to the so those in red the election. So those in red are the political the are the political dates, the onesin are the political dates, the ones in blue are his legal dates and of course, that includes two federal criminal trials, most notably the 25th of march. Thats when hes up in new york to face charges of the way he recorded payments, hush money payments to a star in his business. And then the 20th of may, thats thats the thats the trial in florida about the National Security documents that he took home with him. And then, you see that on the 15th of january, theres a blue and a red there. Thats because thats a civil defamation trial clash with the iowa caucuses. Now even if youve got a private jet and a lot of energy, youre still going to struggle to make all that. And we still have to fit into there somewhere. The criminal trial that were talking about now and thats what find because hes what i find amazing because hes 77, he . 77, isnt he . And obviously very fit and hes obviously very fit and looks his health. And he looks after his health. Young. Yeah absolutely. But the stress and strain of an ordinary Political Campaign on would be enough. At 77. But to go through all of that as well, even though he never looks particularly strained and stressed , he he manages it very stressed, he he manages it very well, doesnt he . I would have well, doesnt he . I would have thought isnt good for any thought that isnt good for any man of 77. Yeah, its good. Its going to take lot on him. And to take a lot out on him. And its also costing lot of its also costing a lot of money. Hes hes raised around £31 million, about 40 million so far. In fact, the vast obviously, hes campaigning at the moment, the vast majority of his campaigning has been about raising funds and spending it on lawyers to fight these kind of cases. And in fact, in a lot of his promotional material, it says if these illegal persecutions succeed, if theyre allowed to set fire to law, allowed to set fire to the law, then will stop with me. Then it will not stop with me. Their will close their grip will close even tighter around you. Thats tighter around you. And thats part of the narrative, which is my struggle is your struggle. If they can do this to me or they can do this to you. So that will be something that we hear. Interestingly, ipsos reuters poll was published poll that was published yesterday appeared in yesterday before he appeared in court showed that 52 of republicans wouldnt vote for him if he were in prison. And which is where potentially he could be given the given the number of lawsuits that were looking at and also given that judge chutkan will be judge Tanya Chutkan will be overseeing the trial. She has put shes been overseeing a lot of cases involving january the sixth. Rioters and she has matched or exceeded prosecutors recommendations in 19 of her 38 sentences for those convicted of january the 6th. Most notably, she has dealt with trump in the past. She stopped him from exerting executive privilege when he was saying, you cant, you cant let the committee in congress have these documents that are looking into the january six riots. Thats my privilege. No, it privilege. She said. No, it isnt. So they have come across each other already. Just like a farce in it just seems like a farce in a way, spent, you a way, though he spent, you know, ahead of the 2016 election. Yeah, all the all the rallies that he held were all based on getting the crowds to chant lock, lock her up. Lock her up. Yeah. And this time around, its all going to be. Dont lock me up. Dont lock me up. Yeah, well, its of up. Yeah, well, its part of its part its part of weaving the narrative. Have a punch and judy and you have a punch and judy show. Well, yeah, and thats part. I mean, know, were part. I mean, you know, were seeing of it seeing a little bit of it imported over here. But american politics very much about politics is very much about theatre and it play well theatre and it does play well with republican base, at with the republican base, at least quarters least three quarters of republicans think there republicans do think that there is politically case is a politically motivated case going so it works for going on here. So it works for him base. Hes at him within the base. Hes at least points ahead of least 30 points ahead of everyone hes sucking all everyone else. Hes sucking all the of the primary the oxygen out of the primary race. Question is, hes race. The question is, if hes convicted, if he does do time, will that affect his chances . If it then if we get all the way to the election but he wont be convicted, will he have anything before the president ial race . But he could be. It depends when the trial date is. Thats thats what the lawyers are going to just time they can just eke out the time they can they lodge objections. They they can lodge objections. They can try say, look, we need can try and say, look, we need more this a huge case. More time. This is a huge case. We need to get defence we need to get the defence together. Obviously the prosecution a speedy prosecution will go for a speedy trial and this judge, apparently even she does even by dc standards, she does move but given the move quite fast. But given the median ive looked at median date that ive looked at is months, it could is about 18 months, it could drag on. Interestingly, the defence freedom, defence as well will be freedom, freedom speech. You know that freedom of speech. You know that im entitled to that im entitled to say that somethings the somethings false. The prosecution it prosecution will try to tie it to actions and then the other one is the other, the other case for the defence will be that i genuinely believed that the advice that i was getting was sound, given on page seven sound, but given on page seven of the and this is the document itself on page seven and by the way on the freedom of speech issue, jack smith, the independent prosecutor on the first he says , yeah, first page, he says, yeah, President Trump does have a right to say its fraudulent. Were not saying that. Were not were not saying that. But here he lists number but he here he lists the number of that were giving of people that were giving advice you shouldnt of people that were giving adycalling you shouldnt of people that were giving adycalling fraud. Ushouldnt be calling it fraud. The defendants Vice President , senior justice Senior Leaders of the justice department, director of department, the director of national intelligence, department of Security Department of Homeland Security cybersecurity , senior cybersecurity agency, senior white House Attorneys, senior staffers , state legislators staffers, state legislators and officials, federal officials, state and federal courts theory. And this courts is one theory. And this is according to his former lawyer , timothy parlatore, is lawyer, timothy parlatore, is that the what the defence will try to do is unpick how those people came to those decisions. People came to those decisions. For example, in terms of william barr, the american attorney general that was appointed by trump that said to trump its fraud. Did you really, though, fraud. Did you really, though, go and check out those claims. How many fbi agents did you assign to the case . Did you really look into this . So it will be about undermining how they and they came to that judgement and then advised him. Thats one line duty. Then advised him. Thats one lineyeah. 1ty. Yeah. Yeah. Well, donald trump could still say he had a right to disbelieve yeah. Yeah. And he say, yeah, and he could say, yeah, exactly. So so its going to be fascinating to watch. And if i was frankly, if i was running in the republican race, id be thinking, is going to be my thinking, what is going to be my strategy . I cant attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man i cant attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man for i cant attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man for all i cant attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man for all fori cant attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man for all for these attack thinking, what is going to be my stra man for all for these kind k the man for all for these kind of allegations , because clearly of allegations, because clearly it works with base. But how it works with the base. But how do i differentiate from him . Its difficult. Once you mike pence has attacked him. Yeah, pence has attacked him. Yeah, mike pence has attacked him. You know , he shouldnt be president. Know, he shouldnt be president. He have been he should never have been president shouldnt be president. He hasnt much of he hasnt got much of a chance mike pence, you chance there. Mike pence, as you know, have know, he doesnt have a following his own. Following of his own. No. No, no. No, no. The second horse in the race is ron desantis, hes at is ron desantis, and hes at least 30 points behind. And then mike pence is way back. And given pence has said, given what mike pence has said, you that put the you know, that i put the constitution and that in you know, that i put the con notes on and that in you know, that i put the connotes that and that in you know, that i put the con notes that the|nd that in you know, that i put the con notes that the prosecution his notes that the prosecution uses , he says that he said that his notes that the prosecution usehadie says that he said that his notes that the prosecution usehad a says that he said that his notes that the prosecution usehad a phone1at he said that his notes that the prosecution usehad a phone call|e said that his notes that the prosecution usehad a phone call with d that his notes that the prosecution usehad a phone call with mr1at he had a phone call with mr trump. And mr trump said and he said, have the authority said, i dont have the authority to certify result. And to not certify the result. And he youre too he said, well, youre too honest. Dont think thats honest. I dont think thats thats going to work. Also, quite interestingly, there are six Co Conspirators in six Co Conspirators named in this and one legal this document and one legal expert, brandon fox , a former expert, brandon fox, a former federal prosecutor, said its unlikely the defence will call them to say, look, this was the advice you were giving mr trump, wasnt it . Because then potentially could implicate potentially they could implicate themselves and then charged themselves and then be charged later down the line. We got mess. Paul, thanks very much indeed i hes going to walk it, isnt he . He . I dont know. I dont know. Hes going to walk. We shall have to wait and see. Anyway, lets see what the weathers going for you today. Going to do for you today. Fingers crossed. The is rising, fingers crossed. The is rising, but first, solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning of weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow. Ahead of that, many places dry bright today. But not dry and bright today. But not everywhere. Do have a fair everywhere. We do have a fair bit of around this morning bit of cloud around this morning and outbreaks of rain over and some outbreaks of rain over North Eastern parts of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell ern parts of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue of england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to see land. And well continue to see showers over Eastern England through heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are maybe even the are possible, maybe even the odd rumble of thunder. For many, rumble of thunder. But for many, certainly out west, a certainly out west, itll be a much drier, much brighter day than to. And than weve been used to. And with winds, itll with lighter winds, itll probably quite a bit warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as well, even though temperatures only temperatures are still only around still around or actually still slightly average for the slightly below average for the time high teens, low time of year. High teens, low 20s. The winds wont remain 20s. The winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight. And comes the overnight. And here comes the rain into northern rain moving into Northern Ireland through this evening. Then to west wales. Then spreading to west wales. Southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland, england. By scotland, northwest england. By the end of the night, the winds really around these really picking up around these western coasts dawn, parts of western coasts by dawn, parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through the night. Actually through the night. And actually northern generally northern scotland will generally stay but elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its a bit of a wet and windy while start in places very gusty winds in wales and southwest england , we may well see some england, we may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon cheer up in afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were quite concerned about the rain really northern really building up in Northern Ireland go through the really building up in northern irela so go through the really building up in northern irela so we go through the really building up in northern irela so we do go through the really building up in northern irela so we do haveough the really building up in northern irela so we do have anh the really building up in northern irela so we do have a weather day. So we do have a weather warning in place for that rain here. And for the strength of the across parts of wales the wind across parts of wales and southwest more and southwest england. For more details on weather warnings, details on the weather warnings, see Office Website. See the met Office Website. Rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news it is 833. Good morning to you. Watching good morning to you. Watching and listening to breakfast with Stephen Lennon and aidans here with all the sports news and theres a lot of it about actually at the moment. Tell us about tom brady. Tell us about tom brady. Yeah, really interesting this to of us who dont know to those of us who dont know exactly who he is and why its so relevant. B ra dy so relevant. Brady an exceptional, tom brady is an exceptional, famous sporting icon. Famous global sporting icon. I think we can call him that quite safely. He is widely regarded safely. He he is widely regarded as the greatest nfl quarterback of time. Of all time. Football , a of all time. Football, a medical football, american football. American football. American football. Medical football. Football. Football. Medical football. Different issue. American. American footballer. American footballer. Hes won the super bowl seven times. Wow. And weve seen a bit of a trend, havent we, of big name celebrities from name american celebrities from the entertainment, the world of entertainment, sport, movies getting sport, etcetera . Movies getting involved probably less involved in probably less heralded football clubs in this country. We saw Rob Mcelhenney. Country. We saw Rob Mcelhenney. Yeah, mcelhenney and ryan yeah, Rob Mcelhenney and Ryan Reynolds involved with reynolds got involved with everton about everton at everton. What about wrexham . Wrexham . Everton, they. Everton, they. Yeah, exactly. 2 or everton, they. Years yeah, exactly. 2 or everton, they. Years ago, yeah, exactly. 2 or everton, they. Years ago, its ah, exactly. 2 or everton, they. Years ago, its beenlactly. 2 or everton, they. Years ago, its been quite 2 or 3 years ago, its been quite successful for them. Tom bradys worth £400 million. The difference here is that a lot of a lot of them get involved and theyre like figureheads. Theyre just like figureheads. They record a they just come along, record a video get some interest video and they get some interest going then they go home and going and then they go home and never be seen again. Tom never to be seen again. Tom bradys invested money in bradys invested some money in this birmingham is this Birmingham City is a failing club right failing Championship Club right now. The implies, now. But as the name implies, its the club of its the city club of birmingham. Birmingham the birmingham. Birmingham is the second city in this second biggest city in this country. The biggest second biggest city in this counin. The biggest second biggest city in this counin birmingham the biggest second biggest city in this counin birmingham because est club in birmingham because obviously villa there. Obviously aston villa are there. But starts this but the season starts this evening and theyll evening officially, and theyll be can get things be hope that they can get things going. Excitement going. Theres huge excitement in there in the city. There the incentive for them, its not going to make any money out of it. Well, i dont know. You say fun. Is fun. And i suppose fun. It is fun. And i suppose when got £400 million, when youve got £400 million, you throw throw you can afford to throw throw around free hits here and around a few free hits here and there, however if you there, cant you . However if you get club in the championship get a club in the championship one, we theres a bit of one, we think theres a bit of potential. Well you it potential. Well if you get it into the premier league and its easier done you get easier said than done if you get it the premier league, you it in the premier league, you pretty double money pretty much double your money and overnight, theres and overnight, right. Theres a big it wont big difference, though. It wont be for money. Be in it for the money. Hell be in it for the fun and the challenge. Well, i think i think most most people who have for £100 million in bank probably do million in the bank probably do want return investment as want to return the investment as well. Want be well. They dont want to be losing hand fist. Losing money, hand over fist. I mean, he admitted yesterday he doesnt a great about doesnt know a great deal about football, that i do football, but he said that i do know about winning. And thats what theyre what the club needs. Theyre consistently mediocre consistently in a mediocre position in the championship. Theyre finishing mid to theyre always finishing mid to lower. Doing lower. Theyre not really doing anything. Of anything. Theyre in a state of hubns anything. Theyre in a state of hubris way. Aston villa, hubris in a way. Aston villa, meanwhile, road, meanwhile, just down the road, are very the are doing very well in the premier theyll be premier league and theyll be looking its part of looking to make its part of a hedge fund. Hedge funds like these because can these clubs, because they can see to make see the opportunity to make money quickly. Its no money quite quickly. Its no different whats gone at different to whats gone on at chelsea so. Chelsea in the last year or so. They opportunity on a they saw an opportunity on a much scale, course, much grander scale, of course, but a big difference but theres a big difference between spending money the between spending money in the championship, the premier division below the premier league, and doing what the two hollywood wrexham, hollywood stars did in wrexham, which hollywood stars did in wrexham, winationally, where your money or nationally, where your money goes a bit further. Hell able to, as you but hell be able to, as you said, city of said, within the city of birmingham, to birmingham, hell be able to raise their much with raise their profile so much with a hollywood type stardom a bit of hollywood type stardom because is, of because Prince William is, of course, aston fan. Course, the aston villa fan. Is. Exactly. He is. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Mean, youve got exactly. So, i mean, youve got prince position well. Prince william position as well. But theres little but youve got theres a little bit blinders is a big bit of Peaky Blinders is a big thing Birmingham City at thing around Birmingham City at the is and the moment. There is that and thats exported overseas. Thats been exported overseas. And that and he did say yesterday that thats the reasons he thats one of the reasons he knows club. And so knows of the club. And so i think youll see an improvement there this season in and sometimes, know, when sometimes, you know, when someones sometimes, you know, when someorinto something, you money into something, you realise little bit realise theres a little bit more veracity around it. Its not coming and not just about coming in and leaving again. Leaving never to be seen again. I think youll see them around the a lot this season, the ground a lot this season, right . Can can you bear to look, can i can you bear to tell us about obviously tell us about qpr . Obviously youre qpr fan. Youre a huge qpr fan. Indeed. Yeah. Were i am indeed. Yeah. Were going tomorrow. Actually, i am indeed. Yeah. Were goirtaking tomorrow. Actually, i am indeed. Yeah. Were goirtaking one morrow. Actually, i am indeed. Yeah. Were goirtaking one morroyproducers. Im taking one of our producers. Hes taking actually, hes hes taking me actually, hes taking one. So its taking he owes me one. So its about. About time. Yeah. About. Its about time. Yeah. Were in championship were in the championship tomorrow. Championship tomorrow. The championship gets underway this evening. Southampton against sheffield. Wednesday southampton against sheffield. Wednes southampton really . Southampton have come down so down from the premier league, so theyve money behind theyve got huge money behind them of prize money. Them because of the prize money. And are set up in and the way things are set up in the Football League pyramid, Sheffield Wednesday have come up from club, but from league one big club, but havent the premier havent been in the premier league sure since 2000. League for sure since 2000. So big evening then big game this evening and then tomorrow good tomorrow weve got some good games. Against games. Weve got swansea against birmingham, brady, we birmingham, so tom brady, we think swansea, think he might be at swansea, watford weve watford against qpr. Weve got wrexham against dons wrexham playing against mk dons on, on saturday. Thats wrexhams first game in the football since since Football League since since 2008. Two 2008. Obviously the two been thats going played at thats going to be played at wrexham but are you worried about traffic tomorrow . Was just thinking you know, i was just thinking if got, you know, if youve got, you know, Ryan Reynolds quite reynolds in milton keynes, quite good the city. Good for the city. Oh, hell probably be there later in the when the later in the season when the return often popping up return game is often popping up around there. Villa fan, you know, aston villa fan, apparently cruise just apparently tom cruise just mentioned apparently tom cruise just mentionweve leicester and weve got leicester against coventry with leicester are fancied come up on on are fancied to come up on on this theyve really this season theyve got a really good in the good squad theyve been in the premier league they were champions 2016 and they champions back in 2016 and they play champions back in 2016 and they play to play coventry are going to go down is what want to know. Down is what i want to know. Well this what well listen look this is what ill you now, right . Ill say to you now, right . Weve predicted to finish weve been predicted to finish 24th 24. Want to 24th out of 24. I dont want to talk about but we lost talk about it, but we lost 5 0 in a friendly oxford in a friendly against oxford last a couple of last week. And look, a couple of loan between and loan signings between now and the week or so, things can the next week or so, things can change not change honestly. And im not giving im not sort giving up hope. Im not the sort of guy to walk away on a lost cause. Tell about womens cause. Tell us about the womens world i read in world cup, because i read in todays that prince todays papers that Prince William standby to william is on standby to fly to sydney case we do well. Sydney just in case we do well. I think already are well, i think we already are doing well. Thats monday. I mean, thats next monday. I think playing next. Think england are playing next. Huge yesterday with two huge shock yesterday with two time germany time champions, germany being knocked caused real knocked out. Thats caused real shockwaves knocked out. Thats caused real shockwaits the first time i because its the first time i think that mens team think the that the mens team and womens were and the womens team were knocked the cup knocked out of the world cup within a year of each other at the stage. That never the group stage. That never happens. Alexandra happens. And so Alexandra Popp is the is the its one of is the is the main its one of the players in world, the best players in the world, best world. It best strikers in the world. It was believed to an was believed to be an overreliance her. They overreliance on on her. And they won 6 0 against won their first game 6 0 against morocco. Theyve seen morocco. And then theyve seen colombia. Colombia morocco. And then theyve seen colo morocco colombia morocco. And then theyve seen colo morocco up colombia morocco. And then theyve seen colomorocco up aheadylombia morocco. And then theyve seen colomorocco up ahead ofmbia morocco. And then theyve seen colomorocco up ahead of them. And morocco go up ahead of them. And its one other big team out of way in terms of england, of the way in terms of england, because already been because brazil have already been knocked canada knocked out as well. Canada knocked out as well. Canada knocked hands knocked out as well at the hands of so that clears of the usa. And so that clears the way and i looked at england now i looked at the form now and i looked at the form theyre in, given they whacked six china other six goals past china the other day. England very, day. I think england are very, very we playing next . Very much. Are we playing next . We are nigeria next. We are playing nigeria next. Nigeria next. Ive just seen the time. We ive just seen the time. We better aiden. Oh, no. Better go. Aiden. Oh, no. Its your own fault. You got to be talking about know. To be talking about qpr. I know. Were running way over actually, but it was fun. Thank you indeed. You very much indeed. You over the weekend. You will indeed. Well, actually, no, not me. But you see me. But you will see me. But you will see me. Yeah, tune in, yeah, ill tune in, obviously. About with obviously. Anyway, about with the just sec. Good morning to you. It is 843. This is breakfast with steven allen, right. Allen, right. Lets talk politics now. Weve been talking a lot of Interest Rates and of course, about rishi sunaks house being protec tested on on trying to think of a buyer by greenpeace. So weve been talking a lot of that sort of thing all morning. But joining us now is liberal democrat mp for Edinburgh West christine jardine. Thanks for joining us. Lovely to see you. Can i ask you first see good morning. Jolly good. Yeah. I morning. Jolly good. Yeah. I mean, everybodys talking all our viewers are getting in touch with us about the greenpeace invasion , if you like, of rishi invasion, if you like, of rishi sunaks, prime at home. What do you think . What are your thoughts . Thoughts . Its very worrying. I think, you know , everyones entitled to you know, everyones entitled to their opinion. Were all their opinion. Were all entitled to protest that opinion. But i do think its worrying when you have of a Security Breach like this. Its Security Breach like this. Its not fair to put peoples families at risk and i mean, rishi sunak is children. Um, you rishi sunak is children. Um, you worry that his security has been at risk. Has worry that his security has been at risk. Has his childrens security been put at risk . Thats not acceptable. I think thats not acceptable. I think we all sympathise with the need to do something to protect the planet , to do something about planet, to do something about Climate Change. But when it comes to the point where Peoples Security is being put at risk, thats not acceptable. At risk, thats not acceptable. Well, okay. Well, fair point. Can i ask you about one of the other big stories around today . And its funny how its going from every single party because it looks like single party because it looks uke sunak single party because it looks like sunak try like rishi sunak to try and bnng like rishi sunak to try and bring back bring down waiting lists going to have the lists is going to have the biggest sort of expansion into private health care since tony blair did it way back when. Is blair did it way back when. Is this a sensible move . This a sensible move . Well, you have to wonder why , if this move was available to the government , they waited the government, they waited until were in the position that were in, why didnt they act earlier . Why didnt they do something before they were strikes . Didnt do strikes . Why didnt they do something to support the tens of thousands of staff in the nhs whove been pushed to breaking point by three years of covid waiting lists . All of that. And waiting lists . All of that. And the resource was there. It was the resource was there. It was available to the nhs to use. Why didnt he use it before . Now thats what annoys me and that, you know, if there is something there thats possible to help people to cut back waiting lists, should have been lists, he should have been looking a lot of people would well, a lot of people would say that as well, especially given the that were given the fact that were feeling pinch so at feeling the pinch so badly at the moment. And yet todays headunes the moment. And yet todays headlines full of the headlines are full of the chancellor saying it , other chancellor saying it, other spokespeople saying it. The governor of the bank of england saying its going to get its going to get far worse before it ever and going ever gets better and its going to time. In fact, to last a long time. In fact, they about the economy they talked about the economy being in a state of stagnation for the rest of this year, if not the coming year. What are your thoughts on that. Your thoughts on that. Well, i mean, i do think that this government has a lot to answer for. And particularly the conservative party has a lot to answer for, for foisting liz truss on the country and the disastrous mess that was made of the economy. I mean, the conservatives have trashed the economy and now they need to do something to clean it up because ordinary people are facing crippling mortgage increases, crippling mortgage increases, crippling rent increases, prices are going through the roof. Are going through the roof. Theres, you know, families are struggling to get together. The money to have the break that we all need. Were all exhausted after the past 3 or 4 years and they get to the british seaside. And they discover . And what did they discover . Sewage you know, sewage and waters, you know, they if safe the they wonder if its safe for the children to swim. This children to swim. This government into government has got us into a mess in so many ways. But what they need to do now is to tackle they need to do now is to tackle the problems that families are facing and what they they should be doing is scrapping the £3 billion worth of tax cuts for the big banks. I mean, hsbc Just Announced profits worth £60. 9 billion in the First Six Months of this year. So scrap the £3 billion worth of tax cuts and divert that money into helping people keep a roof over their heads and feed their children. Yeah, but i mean, and thats, you know, a perfectly sensible suggestion. Maybe theyll look at that. But thats. No. No. Well, but thats in effect , a well, but thats in effect, a short term measure, isnt it . And what what you need is strong economic policy. You running alongside whats happening in the bank of england at the moment and what isnt clear is what the lib dems would do, because obviously were gearing up towards a general election. Up towards a general election. Youll be putting all your ideas forward , but you know, where do forward, but you know, where do you actually on term you actually stand on long Term Economic policy to pull us out of this hole . Of this hole . Well, youre absolutely right. We are gearing for right. We are gearing up for a general election and we saw in the somerton and frome by election just last month. And weve seen in other by elections that this , you know, the public that this, you know, the public are not happy with what the government is putting forward. So Term Solutions , our so our long Term Solutions, our long term suggestions will be in the manifesto. But we think the the manifesto. But we think the immediate thing that be immediate thing that needs to be done i that £3 done is, as i said, that £3 billion tax cut needs to be scrapped and need look at scrapped and we need to look at a mortgage support scheme for families , £300 for a household families, £300 for a household to get it through this period where mortgages are going up. And in my city, in edinburgh. And in my city, in edinburgh. And in my city, in edinburgh. And the impact of that has been also to create a massive increase in rents as landlords try to meet their costs. So people are struggling. So we need this immediate help and we need this immediate help and we needit need this immediate help and we need it now and its not going to cause long term damage because we saw that gordon brown did this and its a long term benefit. Gordon brown did this at one point and actually brought down the inflation. So what be doing is what we need to be doing is looking how we how we get looking at how we how we get people through this, but also how we stimulate the economy, how we stimulate the economy, how we stimulate the economy, how we get the economy back working again. And frankly , this working again. And frankly, this government is completely bereft ofideas government is completely bereft of ideas and its time they moved on. Wheres £300 going to get anyone . Its not enough to meet the extra on most peoples monthly payments. Monthly payments. It will help most people meet their monthly payments. But its their monthly payments. But its you know, i tell you what, its more constructive, active than saying to them, go and speak to your bank see if you can your bank and see if you can move on to interest only or, you know, know, well get know, you know, well get through just your through this. Just hold your nerve. Proposing is nerve. What we are proposing is something constructive to help families looking at families who are looking at hundreds extra hundreds of pounds extra on their month for whom their bill every month for whom that £300 might be the difference between surviving, keeping a roof over their heads or losing their home. Its all right for those of us to whom £300 might not be a lot of money to dismiss it, but it when you are struggling to get by, £300 is a lot of money. And we shouldnt dismiss it lightly. And what we should be doing is thinking of more ways like that to help families up and down this country who are struggling because conservatives because the conservatives trashed economy. Trashed the economy. I think well have to leave it there. It there. No, no, weve got a bit of time. Weve got more time. Weve got more time. Can stay with us. If you can stay with us. Weve extended you slightly , weve extended you slightly, christine. Tell you what. Christine. Ill tell you what. Lets ask you about, lets lets ask you about, because obviously , one of the because obviously, one of the big issues at moment is the big issues at the moment is the green lib are green agenda. The lib dems are very like to very much seen. You like to pitch yourself as a as a green party. So where do you stand on party. So where do you stand on ulez now . I know it mainly affects how we talk about it with london rather, but it is happening across the country as well. Where do you stand on the whole ulez situation . Supposing we a green policies supposedly a green policy, but really affecting a whole load of people who just cant afford a new car, even with this new scrappage scheme thats been introduced . Scheme thats been introduced . Well, the ulez scheme in london has been rushed through. London has been rushed through. And, you know, frankly isnt a good scheme. It doesnt it or it didnt have at least scrapping scrappage measures. Now theyve scrappage measures. Now theyve brought in this new support today as a knee jerk reaction to what happened in uxbridge. And what happened in uxbridge. And to me, thats not good enough. What they need to do is delay the scheme. Look at how it can work look proper work properly, look at proper support for people. Its not easy go out and change your easy to go out and change your car, especially in an economic crisis. So what we need is, you know , you know, look at it more know, you know, look at it more carefully, delay it , look at carefully, delay it, look at what measures you can bring in, what measures you can bring in, what additional measures you can bnngin what additional measures you can bring in to help people, to support people. And then then do it, you know , people i talk to it, you know, people i talk to people every day who want something done about air quality, who worry about their children going to school and, you know, walking through heavy traffic. And edinburgh , my traffic. And edinburgh, my office here in edinburgh is in one of the most polluted roads in scotland, but , one of the most polluted roads in scotland, but, you one of the most polluted roads in scotland, but , you know, in scotland, but, you know, people want something that will clean that up but will clean it up long term. And effectively. And its exactly the same in london, manchester, glasgow , london, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh. People want it done properly, effectively. Well thought through schemes on which they have been consulted. And thats the key. People need to be consulted and what is done and given time to meet the criteria that the local authorities bring in. And thats the main problem with ulez. It hasnt been done properly. Hasnt been done properly. People havent been given time and until today there was no support. Yes the support is there now, but we still need a delay to make sure that the scheme itself is fair to people i and its going to its going to be seen in more and more cities throughout the country, isnt it . So, i mean , do you isnt it . So, i mean, do you feel i mean, you talk to your constituents, obviously. Is there feeling some of there a feeling that some of these are being introduced, these laws are being introduced, some processes that some of these processes that show that that the people making the decisions are slightly out of touch . They simply dont understand what its like to be a up family at the a very hard up family at the moment. Moment. You just have to look yeah, you just have to look at the statements were getting from downing street and the statements were getting from the that they the government to see that they are completely touch and are completely out of touch and the one that really annoyed me was what disappointed as was when what disappointed me as much as anything else when much as anything else was when rishi sunak said that we all just had to hold on nerve to get through this crisis. Thats, you know, that doesnt help when youre feed your youre struggling to feed your children. Know, if children. And, you know, if youre living in in area in youre living in in the area in london, thats going to be brought into to us to have to face that expense as well at a time when your mortgage maybe is going through the roof or your rent going through roof, rent is going through the roof, food going up, energy food prices are going up, energy bills crippling. And, you food prices are going up, energy bills do crippling. And, you food prices are going up, energy bills do the ling. And, you food prices are going up, energy bills do the people ind, you food prices are going up, energy bills do the people making these know, do the people making these decisions actually understand what its like for families struggling to get passed at the moment . And sometimes as you see, i wonder if they do and it starts at the top. Downing street is completely out of touch. The government is completely out of touch with the problems that the ordinary people in this country are facing. Thats why theyre doing crazy things like giving the banks a £3 billion tax cut. Well people are struggling to pay their mortgages. And you know their mortgages. And you know their mortgages. And you know the saying, well, go to your bank, see if you can go into an interest. You know, if only life was that simple, just go on to an interest mortgage an interest only mortgage or, you know , its not simple. You know, its not that simple. And its unrealistic to keep saying these patronising things to people who are facing the consequences of the government having trashed the economy. Christine jardine really good to talk to you. Its been frankly, its been too long since the lib dems are doing these regular morning rounds , as we call them. I hope rounds, as we call them. I hope youll keep them up and i hope youll keep them up and i hope youll keep them up and i hope youll keep to. Talking good. Well, i hope i hope youll remember you remember that. And that youll youll have us on. Us on. Us on. Maybe well have well have you any day that you want. You on any day that you want. Good to christine, really good to talk thank you much talk to you. Thank you very much indeed. Interesting get indeed. And interesting to get a Third Party Perspective for a change. Its been a while and more on that all coming up, of course. First of all, lets have a your weather. A look at your weather. Looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning. Of weather on. Gb news morning. Alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Some wet and windy weather again returning tonight and tomorrow. Ahead of that, many places dry and bright today, but not everywhere. We do have a fair bit of cloud around morning bit of cloud around this morning and of rain over and some outbreaks of rain over northEastern England. Northeastern parts of england. And well continue to see showers Eastern England and well continue to see showers the Eastern England and well continue to see showers the day. Tern england and well continue to see showers the day. Some ngland and well continue to see showers the day. Some heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are possible, even the odd are possible, maybe even the odd rumble of thunder. But many, rumble of thunder. But for many, certainly out west, a certainly out west, itll be a much much brighter day much drier, much brighter day than weve been used to. And with lighter itll with lighter winds, itll probably a warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as though as well, even though temperatures still only temperatures are still only around or actually still slightly below average for the time year. Teens , low time of year. High teens, low 20s, the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight. And here comes the rain moving into Northern Ireland this evening, ireland through this evening, then wales, then spreading to west wales, southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland, northwest england by the end of the night, the winds really picking around these really picking up around these western dawn in parts western coasts by dawn in parts of the east and northern parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through actually through the night. And actually northern will generally northern scotland will generally stay tomorrow. But elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its a bit a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild start in places. Its a bit of a wet and windy, wild start in places. Very gusty wild start in places. Very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. Well see some england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were quite rain quite concerned about the rain really up northern really building up in Northern Ireland through the ireland as we go through the day. Have a weather day. So we do have a weather warning place for that rain warning in place for that rain here. And for the strength of the across parts wales the wind across parts of wales and southwest gb news. Good morning to you. Its 9 00 on friday, the 4th of august. Today trump defiant in court. He denies the latest court. He denies the latest charges against him. But do these latest serious charges actually boost his Election Campaign . Campaign . Heads are going to roll. Theyre predicting after a major secured breach of the Prime Ministers home. Five of greenpeace activists that have been arrested are now released on bail, pending further enquiries. On bail, pending further enquiries. But the question remains, how could security have been lax . Been so lax . And were going to find out what the weathers going to be like this weekend. What the weathers going to be liketheres this weekend. What the weathers going to be liketheres anotherekend. What the weathers going to be liketheres another spell. What the weathers going to be liketheres another spell of wet theres another spell of wet and windy weather on the way for tonight and tomorrow. There are met Office Warnings in place before that. Some of us will see a of sunshine through the a bit of sunshine through the day coming day today. More details coming up full forecast later on up with a full forecast later on morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon. Im Stephen Dixon. And im anne diamond. And this is breakfast on gb news. A love emails get sent in saying heres an email you wont read out. I knew youd want to read this. I know bill in hartlepool. Bill. Bill he says i detect an underline showing support for greenpeace by anne and stephen. No outright condemnation, just a softening of tone. I dont know what youve been listening to. No, ive been outright condemning them since 6 00 this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, i have to say, ive been saying, you know, i would have soft supporter of have been a soft supporter of greenpeace, but this has put me right because i just think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot because i just think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the cause i just think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the waye i just think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the way to just think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the way to go. T think greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the way to go. So ink greenpeace, but this has put me riginot the way to go. So i|k its not the way to go. So i dont know quite what youve been but been listening to, bill, but there if you ever want there you go. If you ever want to an email say, i bet to get an email out, say, i bet you wont read this out because it always draws to them. It always draws me to them. Doesnt it . It does, doesnt it . It does, doesnt it . Like prove because i like to prove a point that like all of your point that we like all of your views, welcome. Thats the views, are welcome. Thats the point. In views, are welcome. Thats the lancashire says, all lancashire says, surely all these desperate Climate Change activists could strengthen their cause they united under cause if they united under a single banner . How about green single banner . How about green hypocrites or aws . Hypocrites or aws . I think thats harsh, too. I mean, youve got it. Its harsh. Its harsh. Yeah, weve had weve had lots of people pointing out that the protesters must used the protesters must have used transport there to transport to even get there to do well, yeah, we all have do it. Well, yeah, we all have to i dont to use transport, but i dont know can say just know whether you can say just because they transport because they used transport of some that theyre hypocrites. When was a student, which when i was a student, which is many, many years ago , we had is many, many years ago, we had a greenpeace activist in to be sort of interviewed by. Theres a big group because were learning how to interview. And one the key questions know one of the key questions know who it. Very clever who did it. My very clever colleagues said. And how did you get here . Mr smith . You know, get here . Mr smith . You know, did you drive here . And he got the bus . Yeah and i see now. Had to respect that. Was that i had respect for him for that back in nottingham back in 1992. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. Time ago. A long time ago. A long time ago. Well, ill tell you what, i dont know whether we can still. Mr director, find the picture, but going talk about but we were going to talk about this has this amazing picture that has been james webb been taken by the james Webb Telescope. Havent telescope. Wow. We havent got it we can find it it. Well see if we can find it for because its really for you because its really weird that we know the weird that we know that the james Webb Telescope was even bigger than hubble in bigger and better than hubble in that could look much, much that it could look much, much further into the abyss, much further into the abyss, much further back in time effectively. And one of the pictures that its just come up with has highlights a tiny little bit, which looks like a question mark hanging there in space. Its really quite weird. People who love doctor who. Well, i was just to going say, im going to say thats it. Thats the tardis or something, isnt it . Can you find it . No, well well try and find it . No, well well try and find the picture to show you in todays was it in todays daily mail. Was it in the mail . Let me have a true i think it was page ten of the mail. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. Thats memory for you. Thats memory for you. There go. Yeah. Oh there you go. Yeah. Oh there you go. There. Now, i dont know if you can. No, the trouble is we no, thats the trouble is we really it put properly on. Really need it put properly on. In on anything . Can we zoom in on anything . What about camera . Knew you would that i knew you would like that one. Over here. One. Let me try seven over here. Yeah. And because its yeah. And seven. Because its very yeah. And seven. Because its verokay. Can see theyve okay. Can you see theyve highlighted it there and put a little ring around it in the middle of all of that. Sort of amazing the rest amazing stars and all the rest of can there you go. You of it. You can there you go. You can i dont know what can see that i dont know what it is. A galaxy or a nebula or goodness only knows we goodness only knows what. We must somebody must talk to somebody about this. Find what it is. But this. Find out what it is. But it a Perfect Question it looks like a Perfect Question mark hanging in space. Mark hanging in there in space. A very long way away. Its very clever, isnt it . Its very clever, isnt it . Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah. For the doctor. For the doctor who knots like us to spooky or what . Thats very exciting stuff. Anyway, maybe exciting stuff. Anyway, maybe you can get andy lounge on over the weekend. Yes, hes our birmingham specialist. Thinking of and he what i was thinking of and he can what could be can explain what that could be and be that shape . And why would it be that shape . Is coincidence is that just coincidence that its shape . Is that just coincidence that its thats1ape . Is that just coincidence that its thats what its only that thats what its only that shape from this angle that were looking at . Yeah. Far enough into if you look far enough into the i suppose youre the universe, i suppose youre always strange always to going see strange shapes things. Shapes and strange things. Maybe fantastic. Well, it is fantastic. Well, it is fantastic. Yeah, lovely. Look, yeah, lovely. Anyway, look, shall about trump this shall we talk about trump this morning . He has remained morning . Because he has remained defiant , as morning . Because he has remained defiant, as you morning . Because he has remained defiant , as you would expect, as defiant, as you would expect, as he pled not guilty to the latest load of charges against him. And they are very serious charges, conspiracy , for charges, conspiracy, for instance, to defraud the us obstruction of an official proceeding and against the rights of citizens as well. Hes made even more defiant. He told reporters that it was merely the persecution of a political opponent. Opponent. Well, thank you very much. This is a very sad day for america. Yeah, and it was also very sad driving through washington, dc and seeing the filth and the decay when you look at whats happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. So if you cant beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. We cant let this happen in america. Thank you very much. Paul hawkins following this for us this morning. Paul hawkins following this for us this morning. These are for us this morning. These are very serious charges , this very serious charges, this latest round. What strikes me is whichever side you sit on, on this argument, it still seems like an absolute farce. Like an absolute farce. Yeah. I mean, its youre yeah. I mean, its youre talking about the fact that its politically motivated according to i mean, he thinks its a farce that hes been charged. Yeah. Everyone else should think its a farce because of the way hes responding to it. Yeah, its ridiculous all the way round , it . Way round, isnt it . I mean, look, were in. Were way round, isnt it . I rtoan, look, were in. Were way round, isnt it . I rto keep ok, were in. Were way round, isnt it . I rto keep hearing; in. Were way round, isnt it . I rto keep hearing this were going to keep hearing this phrase all the time, but we are in really in uncharted territory here because this has never happened. When founding happened. When the Founding Fathers constitution fathers drew up the constitution , they thought the president was above all. Whoever gets be above it all. Whoever gets to be president whiter than president would be whiter than white. This kind of thing would never is why never happen, which is why why you can still technically campaign from prison. You campaign from prison. If you were go to prison. And were ever to go to prison. And you even govern prison you can even govern from prison because its not even built into the constitution. The constitution. I mean, people but at least i mean, people might richard nixon, was might say richard nixon, who was everybody the crook, the everybody called the crook, the crooked president at least he actually did resign in time before any of this happened. But donald determined to donald trump is determined to face it out. Whatever. Yeah, look, its built yeah, look, its almost built into his campaigning now. In fact, it literally runs on his promotional material at the moment when it comes to fundraising. And hes going to they need to raise a lot of money for all these legal cases that coming up, both civil that are coming up, both civil and i mean, one of the and federal. I mean, one of the one of his promotional materials, it says these materials, it says if these illegal if illegal prosecutions succeed, if theyre set to theyre allowed to set fire to theyre allowed to set fire to the then will not stop the law, then it will not stop with their grip close with me. Their grip will close even tighter around you. Hes raised about £31 million. Thats about 40 million so far. And hes going to need a lot more to get through litigation get through all this litigation over the next 18 months or so. But the narrative will constantly be its politically motivated. This is a jury, motivated. This is a jury, a mostly democrat jury and a democrat , a jurisdiction. And democrat, a jurisdiction. And the judge is appointed by obama. And of course , all the judges, and of course, all the judges, although they do have to go through a process where they are theyre recommended by the president , and then , of course, president , and then, of course, the senate votes on it. But essentially , all judges in essentially, all judges in america are politically appointed, where appointed, unlike here, where they to be. And then now they used to be. And then now theyre not. Theyre theyre not. Now theyre independently appointed. So the politicisation judiciary politicisation of the judiciary in states means that in the United States means that it will always be open to the accusation. The accusation. Whoever is in the dark. I its frankly dark. Yeah i mean, its frankly terrifying the way its all going at the moment. But despite these very robust denials from donald trump, actually, there would appear to be a lot of evidence in this dossier. Dossier. Yeah, there is. There is a lot of evidence, particularly his own tweets, his own social media posts. Theres youve got media posts. Theres youve got the leak phone call to the secretary of state for georgia saying you need to find me some votes. And then theres and this votes. And then theres and this is going to be key to the defence will firstly outline a first of all, its freedom of speech. You can say that i dont believe its a valid election result. Its a fraud. Thats, result. Its a fraud. Thats, thats enshrined in the constitution. The prosecution will try to link the act of , of will try to link the act of, of what happened on january the 6th. And leading up to that to the to the to the to the statement that its fraudulent election and then and then the other defence will be look i honestly believe what i was saying was true because i had these advisers around me. So who those advisers were. One would have thought the defence will call them to witness if its one of the Co Conspirators who has not charged, could not been charged, they could end up implicating in up implicating themselves in the dark. Point dark. The prosecution will point to and we already know that they have 45 page have already in this 45 page document draw on, they say document they draw on, they say that he knew that that these were false allegations about the election and they cite the defendants Vice President , Senior Leaders of the justice department, director of national intelligence, senior white House Attorneys selected by donald trump, senior staffers on his campaign, state legislators and officials, many of whom were republican and state and federal courts. Courts. Will they televise the entire thing . Thing . I dont think they will. I dont think you can televise. Is the court where is it in new york or is it in which one . The washington. The washington. Its in washington. Its in washington. Ones going in this ones going to be in washington. Then washington. Yeah. And then youve in may. Washington. Yeah. And then youve the in may. Washington. Yeah. And then youvethe case in may. Washington. Yeah. And then youve the case involving. Thats the case involving National Security documents. Top secret documents found at his home, and then the one in march is false filing business is about false filing Business Records cover hush money records to cover up hush money payments star, televise it. Payments to a star, televise it. Okay. Payments to a star, televise it. Well okay. Payments to a star, televise it. Well , okay. Payments to a star, televise it. Well , it okay. Payments to a star, televise it. Well , it would kay. Payments to a star, televise it. Well, it would be. Payments to a star, televise it. Well, it would be. And it also helped the media because obviously we stand outside the courtroom speculating then obviously we stand outside the cou haven speculating then obviously we stand outside the couhaven sjustjlating then obviously we stand outside the couhaven sjustjlatirand thenen we have to just wait and then wait hour or two. And then wait an hour or two. And then and then and then afterwards try and then and then afterwards try and makes and run after him as he makes his way out the back door, which is happened last night. Is what happened last night. But never short yeah, but hes never short of something yeah, but hes never short of sonwell,g yeah, but hes never short of sonwell, exactly. Yeah, but hes never short of sonwel a exactly. Yeah, but hes never short of sonwela line tly. Yeah, but hes never short of sonwela line out of him. Paul, get a line out of him. Paul, we got to leave it there. Good to see thank you. To see you. Thank you. Now, this is a story that im sure going get you sure is going to get you talking. Has found talking. A new study has found that an are an that there are an there are an estimated 2 million of them in the uk. Million of what you yes, 2 million of what you may. Potholes and the may ask. Potholes and the problem is theyre getting worse. And there have been more and the and more calls for the government to give money to government to give more money to councils properly i councils to properly fix them. I mean, it sounds stupid, but it isnt. If youve tried driving around, really start to around, you really start to nofice around, you really start to notice you . Us notice it, dont you . Joining us now is mr pothole mark morrell. Now is mr pothole mark morrell. A very good morning to you, mr pothole. You still have a lot of pothole. You still have a lot of work to do, dont you . In fact, an increasing amount of work. Yes yes. I mean, i started with a Small Campaign ten years ago and set up national all day. I was warning about this. So what i was saying is exactly happening. Steve and i was on with him was on sky news many years ago. And we had a bit of a debate about it. And i mean, really , about it. And i mean, really, its a nonsense because there was a Yougov Survey carried out ten years ago that said badly maintained roads were costing the uk economy £5 billion a yeah the uk economy £5 billion a year. Were now ten years plus on the costs have increased the deterioration of our roads. So its probably £10 billion. So why cant we actually spend an extra 2 or £3 billion a year maintaining our roads that makes an economic sense for the country. Apart from the loss of life and injuries that it causes i well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, ill tell you what, mark. You see i permanent solved my problem and moved to a proper news station. But the issue with news station. But the issue with this seems to be that that when potholes are fixed, theyre just patched up in a way that actually only lasts a month or two. Yeah i mean, i sent a picture in. I dont know if youve got it there. Just showing how bad one council has been over 20 repairs in the same location on now thats Traffic Management thats shutting the road thats doing the a quick patch repair and coming away if theyd have actually repaired that section of road first time, it would have saved a countless traffic problems and the cost of mobilisation every time they attended the site. And itd be better for the environment as well. Yeah. And i know there have been cases, havent there, where the motorist has actually sued their local council because it can cause terrible damage to your car. Yeah i mean the tragic thing is cyclists is reported recently that one cyclist a week is killed or seriously injured and youve got the same for motorbikes. Theres a campaign by the Motorcycle Action Group because 70 bikers a year are killed or seriously injured as a result of badly maintained roads, not just potholes. Its the loss of the wearing surface, the loss of the wearing surface, the grip values. And ive seen the grip values. And ive seen councils actually put in speed restrictions on roads because they cant afford to do a treatment. The road surface treatment. The road surface treatment thats been carried out has been reduced by 30 since 2016, based upon the department of transport figures. And surprise, surprise, were seeing our roads deteriorate at a massive rate over £13 billion in a 12 months. I seem to recall, correct me if im wrong , i seem to recall, correct me if im wrong, mark, that you were retiring mr pothole a few years ago. I mean, it seems like years ago. I mean, it seems like youve been forced to bring him back just because things are getting so bad now. Getting so bad now. Yeah. Ill make no secret ive had some Mental Health issues and it was getting too much with being a mayor of brackley plus other commitments i had. I had to step back, but it was request to come back and also submitted evidence to the transport select committee. When Lilian Greenwood was the chair. And i felt that was a really Good Opportunity to put a lot of work there. There was work in there. There was a brilliant a brilliant report by a Cross Party Mps and the government gave it lip service. The answers are all there in government and in fact, on another on the bbc, where a labour mp suggested i should be the tsar, which i declined because theres no way id want to put myself in the position unless government agreed that they will actually fund it because im not going to be a patsy. Patsy. No, absolutely. It needs joined up thinking as keep joined up thinking as we keep saying, well have to it saying, well have to leave it there. Great you there. Its great to see you again. Still strong on again. Still fighting strong on behalf motorist and the behalf of the motorist and the motorcycle and the cyclist. As you say, mark morrell, thanks very much indeed. You see now, that doesnt you see now, if that doesnt hit with you, because hit a nerve with you, because who about lately . Who hasnt driven about lately . And you end up ill tell you what up doing. And ive what you end up doing. And ive doneis what you end up doing. And ive done is you end up trying to dodge the potholes, the big ones, which is dangerous, which is and if you drive the same and if you drive the same route you notice what and if you drive the same routylittle you notice what and if you drive the same routylittle gets you notice what and if you drive the same routylittle gets bigger|otice what and if you drive the same routylittle gets bigger and; what was little gets bigger and bigger and bigger and still nothings done. Terrible. Its an its terrible. Its an absolute thoughts absolute disgrace. Any thoughts on let us know. But weve on that . Let us know. But weve got showbiz news and stay with us as especially if youre a queen fan, because theres some Freddie Mercury gear up for sale. Mind blowing. Stephanies going to have all the details for you. It is 90 minutes past nine. Shes breakfast with stephen de man. Lets talk queen with our very own showbiz queen, stephanie techy. Good morning to you. Queen is one of those most remarkable of bands i know and forever live on. Were still going, of course. Ever. And going, of course. Ever. And its going to be a kind of magic. Ever. And its going to be a kind of magic. Oh, here we go. Kind of magic. Oh, here we go. Its going to be kind of magic for Freddie Mercury fans because today sothebys in bond today at sothebys in bond street, theyre going to be doing a replica of his home in kensington, the garden lodge, andifs kensington, the garden lodge, and its going to have over 30,000 items of his personal items are all going to go on display. The expression is free of charge for people for the next month. And the reason why its now going on display is because when he died in 1991, he left all the lodge and all his items to his friend mary austin, who has decided now its time for things to go under the hammer. So things for things to go under the hammer. So things the yamaha piano that we can see right now is expected to fetch up to £3 million. Wow. £3 million from next month. We also have next month. We also have a Freddie Mercury crown that he was caroline age. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he performed god save the queen. And thats expected. The queen. And thats expected. To go between 60,000 and £80,000. Is it all good . Well, that expensive . Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Ill tell you what, that crown. Youd love that. Youd love that. Yeah. Fans though, for proper fan that will go for much more than i think it will. And then weve got the lyrics of rhapsody well of Bohemian Rhapsody as well thatis of Bohemian Rhapsody as well that is special. This is handwritten. This is handwritten. Handwritten and never been seen thats expected to seen before. Thats expected to go between £800,000 and £1 million. I think that will go for more too. So thats going to be quite pricey. But all these its a bit sad, but i suppose it is time for some of those things to, you know, Museum Pieces now. Know, be Museum Pieces now. Well, thats what mary austin said she quite to said. She was quite close to him. If anyones watched Bohemian Rhapsody , you see, they Bohemian Rhapsody, you see, they were in a relationship and they were in a relationship and they were he died. Were friends up until he died. Yeah. Said shes been yeah. And she said shes been sat with these items for sat with all these items for about 30 years and she now feels its about 30 years and she now feels wsfime about 30 years and she now feels its time to bring the chapter to an end and hopefully they will go to special homes. Will all go to special homes. I wonder if any the i wonder if any of the members of queen would want to buy any of those or whether theyve what theyve already got what they want. Theyve already got what they warthey probably got what they they probably got what they want. I can imagine theyve had first everything first dibs on everything and theyve kept it theyve probably just kept it there the future there and probably in the future they in the they might sell it again in the future. But i think some things as i think should keep as well. I think you should keep as well. I think you should keep as yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I some some of i mean some some of this, some these huge and some of these huge items and i dont know if its up in this auction, but they were planning on it his wifes coat. Yes, it is. Yes. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes. Yes. That is what she wore in very last video. Last video. Yeah. Yeah. And even one of his white satin cat suits that he performed in Bohemian Rhapsody. And thats also going under the hammer. And i think thats expected to go up for £1 million. I mean, the thing is with this, its extortionate money. Yeah. But this is legendary stuff. Yeah , it is. Its once in a yeah, it is. Its once in a lifetime purchases. Im always fascinated by the people who go to these auctions and spend all these money on this stuff. And what they intend to do with them in the future. Well, i mean, so many Freddie Mercury particularly are mercury fans particularly are obsessive Freddie Mercury fans. They live and breathe for they just live and breathe for that. An yeah you that. Hes an icon. Yeah you have crown and you stick it have that crown and you stick it on mantelpiece. Have that crown and you stick it on i mantelpiece. Have that crown and you stick it on i guess. 1telpiece. Have that crown and you stick it on i guess. So piece. Have that crown and you stick it on i guess. So ifece. Have that crown and you stick it on i guess. So if any of our i guess. So if any of our viewers in london, they viewers are in london, they can get the exhibit for free get to see the exhibit for free for the next month. There be items of there must be items of clothing something clothing or something that. Yes, that less than a million. That may be less than a million. I think the cheapest i think roughly the cheapest thing looking at, like the thing were looking at, like the cat suit is between 50,000 and £70,000. So if you cant afford it, you could just watch your window shop. So, yeah, youre going to have to unless youve 50 have to unless youve got 50 grand, going to buy anything. No. No. Wow. M mu thats a lot of wow. Yeah, thats a lot of money. Especially in this cost of crisis. Yeah. Of living crisis. Yeah. Can afford. Yes you can afford. Yes you can afford. Yes but even during this cost of living you noticed living crisis, have you noticed that money have that the people with money have still of money . Yes. Still got lots of money . Yes. People benefit some people benefit from these they . These things, dont they . Just. Just. Ill tell you what. Well, wheres exhibition . Wheres the exhibition . Street. In its in bond street. In sothebys. Sothebys . Yeah. Can you just wander into sothebys . Sothebys . Yeah, its free of charge yeah, and its free of charge as , so its to be done as well, so its got to be done. Yeah, thats got to be done. I think thats a good weekend. Be dangerous, that would be dangerous, because go you see because if you go in and you see something, absolutely have something, you absolutely have to end up to have havent got could end up getting to have havent got could end up getwell, to have havent got could end up get well, luckily , the auction well, luckily, the auction doesnt start till september , so doesnt start till september, so time to think. Yeah, time to ponder yeah, you got time to ponder whether you want spend all whether you want to spend all that on that money on it. Ive got to realise even ive got time to realise even more i cant afford any of it. Im just saying. Im just saying. About a month. But only about a month. But only about a month. Really want foldable i really want a foldable phone. That want. Oh yeah. I dont know if i mentioned the brand roll up once. Yeah, that would be nice. But anyway, so stephanie, thank you very darling. See very much indeed, darling. See you it from us you soon. And thats it from us this morning. Ill be back with you tomorrow. Hell be in bed. Hell be in bed. I will be in bed. I will be in bed. But heres ellie and martin. Thanks ann. But heres ellie and martin. Thaweve ann. But heres ellie and martin. Thaweve got ann. But heres ellie and martin. Thaweve got an ann. But heres ellie and martin. Thaweve got an absolutely weve got an absolutely packed show coming for you packed show coming up for you this on britains this morning on britains newsroom with martin and myself. Were really forward to were really looking forward to this one, arent we . Owe and diamond gave an we owe and diamond gave an excellent monologue this morning. Weetabix morning. Shed had a weetabix about had they gone about greenpeace, had they gone too climbing rishi sunak too far by climbing rishi sunak house . Its an absolute scandal. Ben from gb news went down. Ben leo from gb news went down the greenpeace hq to give them a taste of their own medicine. Also live from washington with the latest trump the latest on the trump revelations, hes saying its a persecution in a prosecution. Hes pleading defiantly not guilty. Have all the guilty. Well have all the latest from america. Latest live from america. But first, lets get a weather roundup for you. Weather roundup for you. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on news morning. Weather on news morning. Im alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Some wet and windy weather again returning tomorrow. Returning tonight and tomorrow. Ahead of that places dry ahead of that many places dry and today, but and bright today, but not everywhere. Do have a fair everywhere. We do have a fair bit of cloud around this morning and some outbreaks rain over and some outbreaks of rain over northEastern England. And some outbreaks of rain over northellzrn england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to england. And some outbreaks of rain over northell continue to see and. And well continue to see showers over Eastern England through heavy ones through the day. Some heavy ones are possible, even the odd are possible, maybe even the odd run of thunder. But for many, certainly out west, itll a certainly out west, itll be a much much brighter day much drier, much brighter day than to. And than weve been used to. And with winds, itll with lighter winds, itll probably feel quite bit warmer probably feel quite a bit warmer as though as well. Even though temperatures are still only around actually still around or actually still slightly average for the slightly below average for the time year. High low time of year. High teens, low 20s, wont remain 20s, the winds wont remain lighter for longer. However, theyre going to strengthen overnight and here comes the rain moving into Northern Ireland through this evening, then west wales, then spreading to west wales, southwest southwest southwest england and southwest scotland northwest england. Scotland, northwest england. By the the night, the winds the end of the night, the winds really around these really picking up around these western dawn , parts of western coasts by dawn, parts of the east and northern parts of scotland may well stay dry through the night. And actually northern generally northern scotland will generally stay tomorrow. But elsewhere stay dry tomorrow. But elsewhere its bit of a wet and windy, its a bit of a wet and windy, wild in places, very gusty wild start in places, very gusty winds in wales and southwest england. May well see some england. We may well see some brighter skies here through the afternoon it cheer up in afternoon and it may cheer up in Northern Ireland, but were quite about the quite concerned about the rain really northern really building up in Northern Ireland through the ireland as we go through the day. We do have weather day. So we do have a weather warning in place for that rain here. And for the strength of the across parts of wales the wind across parts of wales and for and southwest england for more details weather warnings, details on the weather warnings, see Office Website that see the met Office Website that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Good morning. Its 930 on friday, the 4th of august. This is britains newsroom with Martin Daubney and me, Ellie Costello coming up for you today i greenpeace has sparked a major security row after they scaled the roof of rishi sunak, nonh scaled the roof of rishi sunak, North Yorkshire home in a protest over the expansion of nonh protest over the expansion of north sea oil and gas drilling. We ask how on earth was this allowed to happen . Allowed to happen . The bank of england has heaped further pressure on