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Ill ill also be joined by a towering panel this evening. State of the nations little ray of sunshine and historian David Starkey and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. , i want to nelson. As always, i want to hear from you. Its a crucial part of the programme. Email me, mail mog at gbnews. Com. But now its mail mog at gbnews. Com. But now wsfime mail mog at gbnews. Com. But now its time for the news of the day with polly middlehurst. It. Day with polly middlehurst. It. Jake jacob, thank you and good evening to you. Evening to you. Well, within the last hour, the home office has confirmed that Asylum Seekers wont begin being housed on the bibby stockholm accommodation barge tomorrow. Currently moored off portland in dorset. Fire safety concerns appear to have prompted the decision. A Home Office Spokesperson said the vessel is undergoing making final preparations to ensure it complies with all appropriate regulations before the arrival of the first Asylum Seekers. Of the first Asylum Seekers. Its thought the Asylum Seekers will board possibly a day late. Will board possibly a day late. We have yet to get that confirmed for you and well do so throughout the rest of the evening. Now, in other news today, teachers in england are no as for no longer on strike. As for teaching, unions accepted their 6. 5 pay rise that means all industrial action has now been called off following walkouts in state schools since february in a dispute over pay the education secretary gillian keegan, welcomed the decision, saying it bnngs welcomed the decision, saying it brings an end to disruption in the classroom. Now the prime the classroom. Now the Prime Minister has been saying today allowing 100 new north sea oil and gas licences is entirely consistent with the uks target to reach net zero emissions by 2050. He says that even by then the uk would still need oil and gas for 25 of its energy needs. The Prime Minister says its better to source fuel from here in britain rather than shipping it from around the world or potentially being at the behest of foreign dictators. The decision is being criticised by environmental groups , saying it environmental groups, saying it is dangerously inconsistent with the governments climate policy. A number of conservative mps are calling for the Financial Conduct Authority to be investigated over the de banking of Nigel Farages coots account on his programme here on gb news within the last hour , nigel within the last hour, nigel farage said hes determined to find out how many other people in coutts or natwest have had accounts closed because of their political views. A joint letter has been sent to the chancellor from conservative mps, warning the fca may have inadvertently , the fca may have inadvertently, in their words, encouraged the culture within banking that led to the account closure. One of those who signed the letter was sir iain duncan smith. Weve discovered so many people have actually been caught up in this ridiculous nonsense and the fca has done absolutely nothing to stop it and recorrect it, which they should have done. Also, by the way, they then criticised the chancellor in unofficial briefing, saying that he essentially shouldnt have been interfering in the banking rules themselves and of course they had to backtrack on that pretty quickly. But thats pretty quickly. But thats pretty appalling really some rather good news to end with in cricket. England have beaten australia by 49 runs in the fifth ashes test to secure a 2 2 series draw. Stuart broad as well got the dream finish he wanted by taking the last two wickets as he headed into retirement with a 49 run win in. And that meant that ben stokess side levelled the series all out for 334. Broad produced whats being described as a fairy tale finish to his career after announcing his retirement from the game just last week. Back you with gbx last week. Back you with gbx news across the uk in your tv , news across the uk in your tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and even on your smart speaken radio, and even on your smart speaker. By saying play gb news britains news. Britains news. Channel the Prime Minister has been busy not just today, but all weekend talking the talk on a sensible Energy Policy. Over the sensible Energy Policy. Over the weekend, the Prime Minister announced a review of controversial anti car schemes across britain, firmly stating that hes on the side of the motorist and today hes been in aberdeenshire announcing the governments support for 100 new gas and oil licences in the nonh gas and oil licences in the north sea, along with the development of Carbon Capture technology. This is really technology. This is really encouraging, he made the Crucial Point that even when we reach 2050 and are supposedly net zero, a quarter of our energy will still come from fossil fuels. He even mentioned fuels. He even mentioned something that we have repeatedly explained on state of the nation that using domestic fossil including fossil fuels, including fracking, of course, is far more carbon efficient than importing them. But in spite of his them. But in spite of his pledges to review low traffic neighbourhoods, even touching on 20 mile an hour speed limits 20 mile an hoof speed limits 20 mile an hour speed limits 20 mile an hoof toryd limits 20 mile an hour speed limits 20 mile an hoof tory mps|its 20 mile an hour speed limits 20 mile an hoof tory mps my next when a group of tory mps my next guest and i included wrote to him calling for the delay of the 2030 ban on new petrol and diesel cars, he doubled down on the forthcoming ban. We do not have the infrastructure of this plan , nor is the market ready plan, nor is the market ready for the move. Electric car chiefs who have every reason to support the policy, have said the idea of mass market products are not viable in the near future owing to the cost of the batteries, many of which come from china. And with these 100 new oil and gas licences, well, im to say theres im afraid to say theres nothing particularly new about them. Licencing round began them. The licencing round began in was business secretary in when i was business secretary he following through he is merely following through with was already in place. With what was already in place. What we is a reversal of what we need is a reversal of the most costly policy is that are taking effect or are set to take effect. The Prime Minister said this today. So when i was Prime Minister , so when i was Prime Minister i , so when i was Prime Minister , i became Prime Minister. I set up a brand new department for Energy Security and net zero. And i think both of those things are important. Of course , im are important. Of course, im committed to net zero, but im also committed to our Energy Security. And we will get to net zero in a proportionate and pragmatic way that doesnt unnecessarily burden families with costs or hassle that they dont need in their lives right now. How. Now. But he must understand the inherent contradiction in these two principles of net zero and Energy Security. The former is Energy Security. The former is holding back the latter while costing a fortune. Soon. The costing a fortune. Soon. The former chancellor of the exchequer , Philip Hammond, not a exchequer, Philip Hammond, not a man i always agree with, but who was very wise about this, calculated it would cost us £1 trillion to get to net zero. The war in ukraine has taught us, amongst many other things, the importance of having our own Energy Security and the americans have shown us through their inner security because of their inner security because of their willingness to make use of their willingness to make use of their own Domestic Energy supplies. That if you have Energy Security, you also have lower inflation because its low energy costs that are helping the us economy to grow faster than ours and has kept inflation down when even tony blair has spoken out against burdening the pubuc spoken out against burdening the public with the cost of net zero, you can be sure that we are being too hasty with the green agenda. Britain has already done more than most for the transition to net zero. As ive mentioned before, Yale University publishes an annual Environmental Performance index and the uk finished in second place out of 180 countries last year , only behind denmark , year, only behind denmark, according to the independent Climate Action tracker. We are the only major economy held at the only major economy held at the most at the almost sufficient standard. No country is at a higher standard , but we is at a higher standard, but we cant pursue this agenda to the detriment and the cost of the public, least of all those who arent particularly well off. Its democratic to have a vote on this, to allow people to choose. But in recent elections, all parties have been saying the same thing. We need to ensure that the least well off in society are protected and are helped, and that this transition has their support. And as we saw in the uxbridge by election when it comes to the vote , people it comes to the vote, people dont want to be cold and poor. So the question for the Prime Minister, whilst he talks the talk is can he walk the walk . Talk is can he walk the walk . Are we going to see low traffic neighbourhoods stop . Are we going to see boilers are allowed to continue gas boilers in our houses . Are we going to see cars are still being built with the internal Combustion Engine after 2030 . These are the things that need to change to keep costs down. As always, i want to know your thoughts. Dont forget to let me know what you think. Male mogg at gbnews. Com. But im now joined by lord frost. Perhaps joined by lord frost. Perhaps the greatest frost to have hit these shores. David, thank you for coming in. You made the point last week which attracted some controversy that actually a little bit of warming in the uk could be quite good for us. Well, absolutely. Its a simple statement of fact in fact and i was quoting a Government Agency and what i said that many more people die this country more people die in this country from the cold than from the heat. So the idea that a little increase in temperature is going to make things worse simply does not stand up. Of course, thats not stand up. Of course, thats not the whole picture. Theres much more to it. But that from that narrow perspective, its absolutely clear. That net agenda and that the net zero agenda was turned into law by 2019 for the 2015 deadline being set. At that point , the economy was that point, the economy was still going well. Thered be no covid. There hadnt been half £1 trillion spent on covid measures. The nations Balance Sheet was in pretty good order. All the Political Parties thought this was a cost that people could absorb and bear. Thats fundamentally changed, doesnt it, in the last four years . Its absolutely has. And to be honest, i thought it looked a bit unwise in 2019. But as you say, maybe it was something we could have supported. But now conditions have changed a lot. Thats absolutely clear. And the bill is now not quite so far away. Is now not quite so far away. People are beginning to see it and theyre beginning to think about whats going to happen to their and theyre about whats going to happen to theisure and theyre about whats going to happen to theisure they and theyre about whats going to happen to theisure they liked theyre about whats going to happen to theisure they like it. heyre not sure they like it. But this has become politically quite divisive. We heard Thangam Debbonaire politically quite divisive. We heard her Thangam Debbonaire politically quite divisive. We heard her viewsjam debbonaire politically quite divisive. We heard her views on| debbonaire politically quite divisive. We heard her views on this bonaire earlier her views on this matter, quite frankly , im matter, quite frankly, im astonished that rishi sunak is doubung astonished that rishi sunak is doubling down on his failing and weak policy on Climate Action, on businesses and individuals and families have suffered 13 years of failing tory Energy Policy that has left us the worst hit of any western european country during this this energy crisis. This energy crisis. Instead, rishi sunak is pushing ahead as though climate Climate Crisis isnt happening. Climate crisis isnt happening. Its clear its present danger. And as the head of the un said, only this last week, the age of Global Warming is over. The age of global boiling has arrived. Of global boiling has arrived. And this sort of policymaking , and this sort of policymaking, having called for leaders to lead, is such a disappointment. Lead, is such a disappointment. Well, she puts it , of course, well, she puts it, of course, in a slightly exaggerated tone. In a slightly exaggerated tone. But her point is were in the age of global boiling rather than simply of warming. Is there any evidence for that as far as youre aware . Well , climate youre aware . Well, Climate Change is a problem. It isnt. Were not in problem. It isnt. Were not in a Climate Crisis or in a climate emergency. In my view. I dont think the evidence supports that. Problem that we can that. Its a problem that we can master. What were seeing, master. And what were seeing, to be honest, what weve been seeing today in this hysterical reaction, not just from Thangam Debbonaire, but from others, is people who are having to justify their positions for the first time up to now, this has not been questioned. Now were having a discussion and its great. And thats really important because saying that 13 because she was saying that 13 years of tory failures with energy actually see Energy Policy, but actually see such as there have been such failures as there have been is accepted the is because weve accepted the consensus. Is because weve accepted the consensus. And if we were to do consensus. And if we were to do more of the same, thats when we get risk of the lights get to the risk of the lights going off. Thats right. I mean, the labour policy is based on this, this fantasy that we get rid this fantasy that we can get rid of and gas, we of oil and gas, we can decarbonise the grid 2030, decarbonise the grid by 2030, simply not going to happen. Simply not possible. All one has simply not possible. All one has to get real about this. And there are ways of reducing emissions in a proportion that and sensible way modern gas power stations , Nuclear Power power stations, Nuclear Power stations, investment in new technology is the way forward. Technology is the way forward. It isnt doubling down on wind power. That doesnt work well, and that must be right that youve seen with the internal Combustion Engine with cars emissions declining dramatically over decades, led going out of petrol oil miles per gallon , petrol oil miles per gallon, increasing that everyone has an interest in that because it makes the use of Energy Cheaper and therefore the technology develops. When people are given develops. When people are given a better product, they tend to choose it. The problem is that what we are trying to do at the moment is force on people products that arent better and make them pay more for it. And thatis make them pay more for it. And that is going to be a hard sell, probably an impossible sell, and its very good that were rethinking now rather than letting this go a bit further down the line and letting the market choose seems to me to be a key point i thought lord a key point that i thought lord bamfords were bamfords comments recently were very important, the very important, that the government decided to give government has decided to give huge subsidies to electric motors, actually he has motors, but actually he has developed a Hydrogen Motor which may be both cleaner and more economic for people. Economic for people. But the government is skewing the scales now , in your the scales now, in your experience, does the government ever pick winners successfully . Ever pick winners successfully . I mean, the government never picks winners. It is inherent that nobody knows the future. That nobody knows the future. Nobody knows what the best way of getting around is going to be. Maybe its going to be electric cars, maybe its going to be hydrogen, maybe its going to be hydrogen, maybe its going to Something Else that we to be Something Else that we havent invented yet. Best havent invented yet. The best way of that is for the way of doing that is for the government to be neutral as government to be as neutral as possible in the decisions it takes and let the markets choose. But were not doing that. Were leaping at the first technologies that are available all, and its costing more than it needs to. And very often the First Technology doesnt work so well. Yeah, im very impressed with what the Prime Minister is saying at the moment. Hes saying at the moment. Hes saying the right saying to my mind all the right things. Recognised the things. Hes recognised the problem, hes recognised in electoral that most electoral terms that most conservative voters are motorists hes on their motorists and that hes on their side. What, what in your side. But what, what in your view does he need do to make view does he need to do to make the change so that between now and the next election people nofice and the next election people notice some difference . Well, i think there are some retail he needs to do. Retail things he needs to do. The 2030 ban on internal Combustion Engines. I mean, that is even tougher than the European Unions measures. We European Unions measures. We didnt leave the eu to impose even tougher measures on ourselves. So thats one, we ourselves. So thats one, we could push that back. The imposition of boilers , the heat imposition of boilers, the heat pump boilers, the ban on oil boilers thats coming in, those are the things that people will notice. Yes. But both of those, the government has confirmed that it is continuing with and will not change. So i think michael gove this afternoon said the heat this afternoon has said the heat pumps carrying on and the pumps are carrying on and the Prime Minister himself has said the 2030 ban on on diesel and petrol engines , this doesnt petrol engines, this doesnt seem to me to make any sense. Hes got a popular policy. Why isnt it being implemented . Still time to rethink. Governments always say that policy doesnt change up to the point it changes. And point at which it changes. And i think the polling and the economic reality he is going to force a rethink and devolution or banning ulez. There was a very interesting article in the times today saying you havent devolved all these powers to councils then to take them away, then well do something you dont like. I think we are a unitary state and that the Central Government think we are a unitary state and that th the is, is elitist . The question is, is it elitist . Plus what is the worst tax of. All welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your views, peter. Im all for north sea oil and gas licences, but will the Companies Invest in this when it is more than likely that they will be cancelled if labour get in next year . Can i reassure investors . The labour party has investors . The labour party has said not cancel any said it will not cancel any existing licences which is important actually wise of important and actually wise of them. Not that i normally call them. Not that i normally call the labour party wise. Roy while we try and keep our co2 levels to zero, the uk is getting poor while many countries are just carrying on as normal and taking advantage of making a fortune. Why bother as it wont why do we bother as it wont make any difference to the planet only ever planet right now. We only ever hear the moral costs of hear about the moral costs of failing to meet net zero targets, but few people talk about the financial cost that net zero burdens on the taxpayer. First of all, the scrappage scheme of oil and gas heaters and now the ban on new diesel and now the ban on new diesel and petrol cars. The old boiler upgrade scheme is one the governments flagship plans governments key flagship plans to meet zero targets, but it to meet net zero targets, but it requires a de facto ban on gas boilers being installed in new builds by 2025, costing upwards of £13,000 per heat pump. Shock aching figures reported by experts claim that it would take about 36 years for a household to save enough money on energy bills to cover the cost of an air source pump. The national gas chief, jon butterworth, has said that because of its extortionate price heat pumps are only affordable for the privileged. Well, i can tell you im not privileged enough to afford one. The government promised to pay £5,000 of taxpayers money per heat pump purchase. Thats for a new installation, not for new build houses , leaving the individual houses, leaving the individual to up approximately £8,000 to make up approximately £8,000 in upfront costs. But subsidies in upfront costs. But subsidies just taking money from one taxpayer and giving it to another. The cost doesnt go away. It doesnt get magicked away. It doesnt get magicked out of existence. And last week out of existence. And last week the levelling up secretary, michael gove, responded to concerns over its costly burden on the public in which he hinted the government might consider u turn on its current plans to ban the installation of gas boilers. But ban the installation of gas boilers. But of ban the installation of gas boilers. But of course, the boilers. But of course, the department of Energy Security back pedalled in a Statement Today made it all today and made it clear all Heating Systems in the uk will be compatible with net zero standards by as standards by 2050. As i mentioned , and i, along with mentioned, and i, along with more than 40 other parliamentary parliamentarians, signed a letter calling for the reversal of the governments 2030 goal to ban new diesel and petrol cars. Its another deeply unpopular net zero policy which will cost you the taxpayer, more money to reach a target that will offset only 1 of the worlds global emissions. Well, im now joined emissions. Well, im now joined by Green Party Councillor steve masters. Steve so much for joining me again. Masters. Steve so much for joining me again. On on the 36 joining me again. On on the 36 years to make a ground heat pump work , is this something that work, is this something that people are going to be able to afford to install . Wheres the money coming from . Well well its interesting actually , its interesting actually, jacob, that you talked about that my partner is currently going through the process of getting a heat pump installed in her house. And the actual cost after the £5,000 subsidy is less than it would for be the equivalent oil boiler to be replaced in a rural area such as hers. And what weve what were finding is that actually the oil industry and the oil and gas industry are still being subsidised large amounts of money. Its very easy for you to talk about the green subsidies and they are not being passed on to the taxpayer. The oil and gas industry have been subsidised for trillions of pounds. What subsidies . What subsidies are they getting . Subsidies are they getting . Tax breaks. They dont have to clean up the north sea, for example. Theres no theres no example. Theres no theres no responsibility. Responsibility. Thats when they decommission the money they spend on decommissioning reduces their tax burden. But thats true of all companies on their Capital Expenditure , lowers their tax expenditure, lowers their tax burden. Its no different for Oil Companies than any oil and Gas Companies than any other but theyre one other company, but theyre one of the biggest polluters , you of the biggest polluters, you know, thats different know, in the thats different argument. You said you said they got tax breaks. They dont. Well, they dont. Well, they dont. Where are these subsidies coming from . Coming from . So we were way behind on the adoption of heat pumps. And to say that it takes 36 years, you said they got tens of trillions of dollars. Where are these subsidies coming from . Because ive heard other people will make this argument, but nobodys ever identified where these subsidies come from. Theyre the huge tax come from. Theyre the huge tax payers profits for oil and Gas Companies skyrocket over the last few years. That again is a complete different argument. Different argument. They get taxed very heavily on their profits. On their profits. Theyre not taxed, you know, highly enough people. But that again, isnt a subsidy. Subsidy. Jacob you know , you talk jacob you know, you talk about freedom of speech and letting people speak. If you if you want to take the burden away from working people that you and you ought to be supporting in this argument against net zero, we need to be taxing the polluters and making sure that theyre the ones who face that burden. You know, we need a Just Transition towards net zero, whether its 2050 or 2030. You know, we need to make sure and i agree it shouldnt be the work every day working man and woman whos paying for this. It should be the polluting industries and they should be the argument against the new oil and gas licences is at what point do we stop issuing those licences were already. Thank you. Thank you, steve. Thank you. Thank you, steve. Thank weve got weve got to move on. Weve got to move on. But thank you so much for joining me this evening. Im sorry to cut you off, but ive got to move on to my panel. Well, nigel, you saw what the Prime Minister had to say. This is obviously a very big change in tone from what it any governments been saying now for many years. How important is it politically . Well, i mean , i think that well, i mean, i think that what is happening now is that all politicians have been spooked by that rather bizarre result in uxbridge. And its result in uxbridge. And its a pity result in uxbridge. And its a pity that one byelection is actually changing everything. I mean, including labour in this, that labour are are rowing back somewhat as well. The prime somewhat as well. The Prime Ministers obviously changed direction. I think hes direction. I think hes capitalising on that. And in capitalising on that. And in electoral , as you can see electoral terms, as you can see that he thinks hes found a wedge issue with the labour party and because were coming up to an election year, like all politicians , he thinks no politicians, he thinks no further than the next election , further than the next election, not the next century. But hes still quite nervous about it because hes said all the right things from my point of view, and not necessarily from yours. But he hasnt actually announced change actually announced any change in policy licences policy yet. The 100 licences were started in my very brief pehod were started in my very brief period as energy secretary. Yeah, no, i think its more tone anything else that tone than anything else that i do take the point. Theres 100 licences were in the pipeline line before that, but it would have interesting to see if have been interesting to see if keir starmer said as no new licences at what point hes talking about the no new licences but i mean, it is the tone. Its the tone about he tone. Its the tone about he wants to have another look at travel by motorists and whether they need more freedoms. So hes sending a signal here that although he says hes committed to net zero, it seems difficult to net zero, it seems difficult to work out how well get there if we dont do the kind of things necessary. But david, isnt this just a recognition of political reality and indeed of economic . Economic . I think its a its a recognition of that strange thing called reality that weve had a consent politics which has been merely fairytale. Its been mythmaker saying things like the cop summit, you know, you you take some minor politician, you elevate him to this world role of leader of it. He he rolls around in the glory. Its a modern version of the bourgeois gentilhomme or something. The and we need what something. The and we need what i think has happened is and two things have happened, i think the uxbridge by election did two things. It showed that people will say to an opinion poll, oh, were so keen on Global Warming , but doing something about it, stopping it. But the moment you say , oh, do you know what youre say, oh, do you know what youre actually going to have to pay, youre going to have to change how you behave. The support collapses unless youve got a lot of spare cash, which is why this is not simply becoming a wedge issue between labour and conservative. Its becoming a class issue. Class issue. Its an elite issue because the elite think they can afford it. Yeah, i mean, who else . Who . Well, just one second. Who . Well, just one second. Who else can dip into their pockets to pay £24,000 for a heat pump . Who else can buy a tesla car . Which about the only electric cars that works . Doesnt. Doesnt. Nigel, doesnt this leave the labour once again, not on labour party once again, not on the side core supporters . The side of its core supporters . Well i mean, no, it doesnt actually. Actually. Because the one thing you mean its core supporters are middle class people with names like tamsin and theo. The labour party would like to actually attract the middle class as well, like blair did. Well, much like tony blair did. But it has much that what but no, it has much that what keir has been talking but no, it has much that what keir provided; been talking but no, it has much that what keir provided he zen talking but no, it has much that what keir provided he carries. Ing but no, it has much that what keir provided he carries itg about, provided he carries it out. It is idea about, provided he carries it out. It is idea of making out. It is the idea of making britain a green superpower , and britain a green superpower, and hes focusing mostly on this is myth. The creation of jobs. This is myth that its pure. Sorry, nigel, this is pure economic pie in the sky. What youre doing is you are spending vast. You would be spending vast vast. You would be spending vast billions replacing an Efficient Technology with an inefficient one. You would therefore be shrinking the economy. There is if youre going to get to net zero, that is what youve got to do. If you dont believe in net zero, thats really important. It is the myth. It is the myth. If you want to get to net zero, youve got to spend the trillion pounds that Philip Hammond was talking about. But no current politician on is admitting no current politician on is admittir also with no no current politician on is admittiralso with no economic and also with no economic gain. With no economic gain. Gain. With no economic gain. Well , i gain. With no economic gain. Well, i mean, first of all, the trillion pounds, what well, i mean, first of all, thetold ion pounds, what well, i mean, first of all, thetold theresa|ds, what well, i mean, first of all, thetold theresa may what well, i mean, first of all, thetold theresa may whetherat well, i mean, first of all, thetold theresa may whether it he told theresa may whether it would actually turn into £1 trillion, dont know what it would do. Would do. Government most government estimates would suggest it would turn into 3 trillion economic growth, that would get from growth, that we would get from green industry and that is the point. Its not economic growth. This is nigel. This isnt utter fiction. And it really is time that i said at the beginning, but why not . If you have new industry . If you have new industry . If you have new industry . Because you because you are display racing, useful Economic Activities with useless and damaging economic activity. All right. All right. Im to going let nigel have the final word. The final word. A wooden farm and is not useless economic activity. You heard it here first. Anyway, thank you very much. Anyway, thank you very much. My panel coming up, more potential culprits emerge in the de banking scandal. Plus what happens when you pluck too many feathers from a goose . Looks feathers from a goose . Looks like things are heating up. Like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news evening. Of weather on. Gb news evening. Im alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news should be a drier day tomorrow and many places will see some bright or even sunny spells. Still quite breezy, however, and not particularly warm. And behind me theres another area of lurking for of low pressure lurking for wednesday. This of low pressure lurking for wednesday. This one brought of low pressure lurking for wednesday. This one brought the wednesday. This one brought the wet weather for much of the country today. Still fairly soggy out there this evening. Some showers in places some heavy showers in places staying across staying pretty damp across eastern and southern scotland through night. Further through the night. But further south, many places will see some lengthy , clear spells. Of lengthy, clear spells. And of course, northern scotland, where its dry for most of the its been dry for most of the day. Of course, the far north, at itll dry at least itll stay dry overnight. Temperatures dropping to celsius on to to about 13 or 14 celsius on to tuesday. And as i said, a drier tuesday. And as i said, a drier day. It doesnt mean completely dry. Still a few showers, certainly initially across the south west a grey south west and quite a grey morning northwest england morning over northwest england with rain and with some outbreaks of rain and theyll only slowly ease off through the day. So it be through the day. So it will be quite parts of quite damp here. Parts of southern scotland seeing some showers northern showers north of northern ireland. As i said, for ireland. But as i said, for many, drier, brighter many, itll be a drier, brighter day. Still a lot of cloud, but a bit of blue sky. Well see temperatures getting into the low across south, high low 20s across the south, high teens further north. Then teens further north. But then that low in during that next low comes in during tuesday evening into the southwest. A southwest. And look at this, a spell heavy rain coming in, spell of heavy rain coming in, blustery falling on blustery showers falling on behind unseasonably windy again along the south coast of england. So a wet spell coming in through the middle part of the week with, again, temperatures below average for the time of year. Bye for now. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers , proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on gb news. News welcome back. Remained jacob welcome back. Remained Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your viewers. Heather please spare a thought for those of us in rural homes off the gas, gas grid who heat our with oil boilers heat our homes with oil boilers which due to be banned from which are due to be banned from 2026. Our rural homes 2026. Most of our rural homes are suitable for heat pumps are not suitable for heat pumps as what are we as theyre too old. What are we to do . Well, change the law so that we can carry on with oil boilers. A lot of my constituents have them. And whilst all eyes have turned to the banks in recent weeks, as my fellow gb news presenter nigel farage has revealed, his scandalous treatment natwest, scandalous treatment by natwest, we a very we have glossed over a very Important Institution in this story. The banking regulator , story. The banking regulator, the Financial Conduct Authority. Last week, the regulator leaked quotes to the guardian critic advising the governments handung critic advising the governments handling of the crisis , handling of the crisis, suggesting that the Prime Minister and chancellor should have allowed due process , as the have allowed due process, as the article stated. Quote there is a real sense of disquiet that political pressure has to led the midnight exit for such an important unquote. Important banking ceo unquote. This, of course, echoed the words of shadow chancellor rachel reeves, who called out the, quote, bullying attitudes towards rose. Now bizarre enough that the fca would attack the government rather than the culprits in question. But it seems the regulator may have played its role in the problem. Played its role in the problem. A group of conservative politicians and former financial industry figures have written to the chancellor calling for an investigate into the fca investigate nation into the fca because , as it was, the because, as it was, the regulator that encouraged had the known as the phenomenon known as environmental, social and governance, esg. So is the fca governance, esg. So is the fca behind the shift in our banks to become holier than thou moral crusaders, which has led to the de banking . Thats why i quoted juvenile earlier in his very famous quip , nigel, the fca famous quip, nigel, the fca promoted esg. The banks then took that to be if you have views that we dont like, youre not part of our gang and therefore were getting rid of you. So therefore were getting rid of you. So the fca has real questions to answer. Well, i think that the banks just went too far and interpreting what the was meant to be. The esg was meant to be. If take, for instance so if you take, for instance , e part of it, which is , the e part of it, which is environment, it seems to me fair enough for a bank to look more kindly on a loan for, say , a kindly on a loan for, say, a wind farm than a burger chain. So that would actually help the environment. I can see no reason why a bank should really think that. Why a bank should really think that. Yes, i do. And thats what that. Yes, i do. And thats what he issues all about. And the idea is ethical banking. Idea is ethical banking. Forgive me, that is one of the silliest things ive ever heard. Youre saying surely, that even from you, that that that even from you, that that that even from you, that that that even from you, that that that youre saying that a bank should judge alone, not on whether its going to earn money from it, but because some regulator body says this is better in principle than that. Now surely the only its called ethical banking, david. Its not ethical banking, but ethical banking is preposterous. Theres only one thing that banks should be doing, which is handung banks should be doing, which is handling money efficiently. Nigel this has led to banks and Financial Institutions not lending to the defence sector. And now find were short and now we find were short of armaments to send to ukraine and where it goes too far. So, so, so far. So, so, so its far. So, so, so its intrinsic, far. So, so, so its intrinsic, so i mean what youre doing is youre saying banks should be sentimental. Youre saying that they should have the preferences of youre saying that they sho kind ave the preferences of youre saying that they sho kind avemiddle aferences of youre saying that they sho kind avemiddle classes s of the kind of middle classes called tristram and theresa, like may that we were talking about before with their preferences for nice, soft, cuddly things like the environment. This is not how you run a serious capitalist economy. It is not how you run a capitalist economy, which is competing directly with china and india and the rest of the world, which is not sentiment and foolish. The business of banking, and foolish. The business of banking , the the business of banking, the business of banking is, is this to make money taking . Will i make a profit on it . Not the morality of a particular investment, as long as its within the law . No, i think were getting a number of things confused here that the idea of the ethical banking thing is, as ive said, i mean, to they have a duty as well to protect the environment as other as other industries do. If you take Something Like surely surely nigel nigel finish. Sorry. If you take Something Like politically politically exposed persons who you are presumably one, what im astonished about is that that has also gone too far. Astonished about is that that has also gone too far. So why . Has also gone too far. So why . Why given that every mp knew about it, why did the government not do something about it . Its not do something about it . Its not for nigel farage or gb news to do what youre saying that if a company is poisoning the environment, a bank shouldnt lend to it, not because its poisoning the environment, but because a bad because that would be a bad business it will go business practise and it will go out business. Out of business. Youve got two firms but if youve got two firms carrying lawful businesses, carrying out lawful businesses, surely you should be focussed exclusively as your fiduciary duty on the return to shareholders , not whether you shareholders, not whether you like one company more than another. Another. No . Well, but the problem the problem there is you have the International Laws that have been taken on by the eu. I mean, we should be dealing with Money Laundering laws, for instance. Again, back to your peps. It seems extraordinary to me that that for instance , as he that for instance, as he revealed yesterday, Dominic Lawsons Downs Syndrome daughter here was banned from a bank account because her grandfather was nigel lawson. The nigel draw the lines isnt exactly the point. We ought to draw the line in the right. No, no, no. Draw the lines in a different way. Draw the lines that connect that. What we are seeing surely is as as we indeed saw over the environment , what saw over the environment, what weve seeing a deliberate weve been seeing a deliberate use of all of these devices is to seek to limit freedom of speech and discourse. Were seeing all the time saying and indeed introducing this even into the heart of the economy, which is where you cross the line. David. David. Well, but it is it is a height of a folly to take an external. It is utterly arbitrary. Milton friedman discusses this with absolute precision. The only duty of precision. The only duty of a company should be within the law to operate according to its shareholders profit. If it does that, it will do good. Now, look, lets go backwards to an age when there was real sensitivity about the duties of capitalism. Lets go back to the 19 century. Lets look at Companies Like cadburys. Lets Companies Like cadburys. Lets look at the fries. They put profit absolutely central. They profit absolutely central. They were astonishingly well run companies. What they did , they companies. What they did, they used the profits for social purpose. What we are seeing is the complete opposite of this. It is seeking to interfere in the actual processes of capital accumulation, of the actual manufacture and so on. This is this is a distortion. Its absurd. As a soviet union , its absurd. As a soviet union, its exactly the to come back to the point of banks lending to people they think are doing good. Actually, prior to the invasion of ukraine, if the banks had lent to oil and Gas Companies more and had helped us get and gas get more oil and gas domestically, would kept domestically, it would have kept the down, helping the price down, helping everybody. So it would have been a good, would a moral societal good, but would never have been covered by fca, approved esg. No, it wouldnt. But i mean, on that, we werent taking very much from russia anyway. I think it was about 4 of gas or something. The on the basis on the global. So on the basis on the basis of i dont think the basis of that, i dont think that example actually that is an example actually works. The question surely the question really is whether is whether the banks have overstepped the mark and given what happened to nigel, its perfectly clear that they did. And to thousands other and to thousands of other people. Question is its people. The question is its been for ages. Why havent been known for ages. Why havent you guys been doing something been known for ages. Why havent you glit . Been doing something about it . Well, because when we were in the we couldnt do anything the eu, we couldnt do anything about regime. We now can about the pep regime. We now can and thank you as and we now must. Thank you as always, panel. Always, my brilliant panel. Coming geese coming up, have the geese reached honking . They reached peak honking . Will they be keeping gauls of rome be keeping the gauls out of rome as did before. I dont usually like repetition on this program , and im on this program, and im certainly not that keen on quoting the french too much. But the overtaxed days in which we live make it necessary. It was Jean Baptiste colbert who said the art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing. Now, the treasury must have enough feathers to enter the eiderdown business and the hissing is set to continue according to two new sets of Research Emerging the front Research Emerging on the front pages today. First of all, from pages today. First of all, from the telegraph, which was revealed through hmrc forecasts that thousands of more that tens of thousands of more deaths are set to exceed the threshold of the death tax. The estimates stands at an extra 50,000 families affected , taking 50,000 families affected, taking the total to more than 280,000 families. Meanwhile in the land of the overly taxed from the daily mail , of the overly taxed from the daily mail, new research has suggested that the abolition of the detrimental tourist tax could generate £10 billion to the uk economy , proving to be a the uk economy, proving to be a net gain for the treasury and for britain and for the taxpayer. So is it time to free the geese . Well, im very pleased to be joined now by trevor pickett, founder of pickett, the Luxury Leather Goods shop and one of the first signatories of the daily mails campaign against the tourist tax. I think its worth explaining the tories tax that if you come here from overseas and you buy goods and they are shipped to you overseas is you dont pay vat , but if you take them vat, but if you take them personally, you pay vat and until recently you could claim the money back. So everything effectively was 20 off. Yes. Now thats not true. You pay it and you cant reclaim it. So everyones shopping in paris. Well, it was interesting you saying your french connection. Saying your french connection. When i go to go to paris, quite a lot. And what i found fascinating and i didnt realise it until this campaign started , it until this campaign started, is the amount of customers that come in, oh, im here for three days and were going to paris for two days and because i know paris quite well, i go, well, have you are you going to the opera or doing this . And you must see this exhibition. And when julia karek, whos absolutely amazing with with james been james chapman, whove been really spearheading, spearheading this, they said spearheading this, and they said paris is literally their recovery is so fast from from the pandemic and most of the European Countries are sort of patching along and we seem to be patching along and we seem to be patching sort of quite slowly. Patching sort of quite slowly. You suddenly realise that people are actually going there more often than one would have expected and certain Companies Like mine, which quite small and very sort of luxury customer orientated like shops on savile row that were discussing are like henry poole and anderson shepard. You actually hear what shepard. You actually hear what theyre saying. So, you know, there might oratory and paris now seems to be the place to go because you can do your shopping andifs because you can do your shopping and its £35 on eurostar. So youre paying £35 and its cheaper to stay in paris. Sometimes its stay in a premier inn. Inn. And it was a very straightforward principle of vat, if you consider assumed the service in the uk, you are liable for vat if you consumed it outside, you werent. So if youre a foreign tourist and you pay youre a foreign tourist and you pay for dinner, then thats got vat. If you buy Leather Goods and you take them out of the country, you dont. That got changed, which just seems very unfair because its trying to tax people who dont really have a liability to uk tax. Exactly. And but and can go elsewhere, as i say. And weve got competition abroad but then on the other side, if we brought back the 20, what about the that might have spent another £500 by egging each other off on or having sales staff, that sort of point out theyre to going get this this discount. So theres a bigger pool now with this now brexit to get money out of europe. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that the people who are going to be shopping with you may spend an extra night in the uk their shopping is cost uk if their shopping is Cost Effective rather than, as you say, going off to paris. And they can stay here, they can even if its just a can be going even if its just a cup of coffee in starbucks, its employing people. Its the drip employing people. Its the drip down that we need to think about. And with my business s we have a huge bespoke as we were talking back to savile row. But thats my area and german street andifs thats my area and german street and its an expensive product to buy a handmade wallet or a handmade suit. But if youre saying its £6,000 less, 20, oh my god, its a huge saving. Its a huge saving. And that encourages the sales and Small Businesses like ours need that money. And we have traditionally relied on an International Customer to support that. So in customer to support that. So in us losing that , we are actually us losing that, we are actually likely to lose craftspeople because in this country the cost of the handmade goods that we make is justified , expensive. Make is justified, expensive. But if we havent got the Customer Base , where are we Customer Base, where are we going to go . As a fiscal conservative, ive obviously got to put the point back to you that the treasury needs to be passionate. No, youre right to be needs to get a certain of revenue. Get a certain amount of revenue. Weve pay for the health weve got to pay for the Health Service for and welfare and for the ministry of defence. But what actually saying is what youre actually saying is that we this tax, there that if we cut this tax, there would be more money in the economy and therefore the nation as a whole would richer. Is as a whole would be richer. Is that fair . Well, i think the amount that a tourist is saving is quite minimal to the amount theyre going to spend. So if they buy a wallet for me for £250 and they get it for 200, fine, theyre staying in a hotel room because the sort of custom we have is not staying in a hotel room for £250. Its not near a £1,000. And then theyre going to go take tickets. I going to go and take tickets. I mean, got the opera house mean, weve got the opera house and weve Somerset House on and weve got Somerset House on board. The royal board. Weve got the Royal Academy board. Its not academy on board. So its not and the thing that and i think the thing that concerns me, its not just about retail shops. Its it is the bigger economy forte hotel. And its not just in london because there are the out of london centres. London shopping centres. Claridges is of my claridges is one of my favourite places go. Favourite places to go. Best place for breakfast . Best place for breakfast. Quite breakfast. Its quite good. Its good for dinner. Its quite good for dinner. Anyway, thank you so much, trevor. Thats all from me. Up next, professor daniel next, it is professor Daniel Wootton who will be joining us with lots of thrills and spills to keep you entertained in the next hour or two. I have to say we do have a genuine superstar line up tonight. Carole malone, Andrea Jenkins and Stanley Johnson on the Superstar Panel. Edwina currie versus narinda in the clash. Then nigel farage lviv clash. Then nigel farage lviv Lady Colin Campbell in the house. Paul burrell and kelvin mackenzie. I mean , come on, mackenzie. I mean, come on, thats a list, right . That is an absolutely brilliant panel. Ive never heard of a better one. Im almost as good as my panels. Almost as good as my panels. Anyway, thats coming up after the weather. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Jacob tomorrow at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This has been state tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rethe mogg. This has been state tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rethe nation. His has been state tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rethe nation. Andras been state tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rethe nation. Andrasitsen state tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rethe nation. Andrasits sunnye of the nation. And if its sunny in somerset tomorrow. Im a dutchman. Afraid that warm dutchman. Im afraid that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news evening. Im alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news should be a drier day tomorrow and many places will see some brighter, even sunny spells. Still quite breezy, however, and not warm. And not particularly warm. And behind theres another area behind me theres another area of low pressure lurking for wednesday. This one the wednesday. This one brought the wet weather for much of the country today. Still fairly soggy there this evening. Soggy out there this evening. Some showers in places some heavy showers in places staying pretty across staying pretty damp across eastern scot and eastern and southern. Scot and through the night. But further south, places will see some south, many places will see some lengthy, clear spells. And of course, northern scotland is where been dry for most of where its been dry for most of the day. Of course, the far north, at least itll stay dry overnight. Temperatures dropping to 14 celsius on to to about 13 or 14 celsius on to tuesday. And as i said, a drier day. It doesnt mean completely dry. Still a few showers, certainly initially the certainly initially across the south west grey south west and quite a grey morning northwest england morning over northwest england with of rain with some outbreaks of rain and theyll slowly ease off theyll only slowly ease off through day. So it will be through the day. So it will be quite here. Parts of quite damp here. Parts of southern seeing southern scotland seeing some showers northern showers north of northern ireland. I for ireland. But as i said, for many, itll a drier, brighter many, itll be a drier, brighter day still a lot of cloud, day and still a lot of cloud, but of blue sky. Well see but a bit of blue sky. Well see temperatures getting into the low the south, high low 20s across the south, high teens north. Then teens further north. But then that next in during that next low comes in during tuesday into the tuesday evening into the southwest. Look at this, southwest. And look at this, a spell of rain coming in, spell of heavy rain coming in, blustery showers falling on behind unseasonably windy again along the south coast of england. So a wet spell coming in through the middle part of the week with, again, temperatures below average for the time of year by for now. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. No spin, no bias, no censorship. Im dan wootton and breaking tonight cuts come crawling back. Nigel farage crawling back. Nigel farage confirms hes in talks to have his account reopened. But with 1000 people being banked every day, the fight for free speech in britain, well its only just begun. Think we want to live in a Free Democratic society or we head towards a model of a Chinese Communist social credit system. System. Ill have a special digest on the woke bank scandal next. Then later this hour, nigel joins me live to give an exclusive update on his crusade. Also coming up tonight, rishi sunak wages war on eco extreme ism among warnings from labour that it could plunge us back into 1970s style blackouts. Its better for style blackouts. Its better for our Energy Security not reliant on foreign dictators , better for on foreign dictators, better for jobs, for example , 100,000 jobs, for example, 100,000 supported here in scotland, but also better for the climate. So are the tories right to slow the deranged march to net zero . My Superstar Panel are deeply divided on that. Tonight im joined by carole malone, Stanley Johnson an and Dame Andrea Jenkyns is elsewhere sorry david and victoria youve just been marshalled ripped reports claim the beckhams are the latest celeb couple to fall out with the sussexes. So what does that say about meghans manner . Well, my royal mails my lady, Colin Campbell and dampier have campbell and phil dampier have fascinating exclusive details