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To landlords up, well to let landlords sell up, well be them if what the be asking them if what the future is for the Housing Market and what their role is in it. All of that to come. But first of heres latest news of all, heres your latest news headunes of all, heres your latest News Headlines with. Ray headlines with. Ray thanks, arlene. Good morning. Its 11 01. Thanks, arlene. Good morning. Its11 01. Heres the thanks, arlene. Good morning. Its 11 01. Heres the latest its11 01. Heres the latest from the gb newsroom and our top story this hour, former home secretary Dame Priti Patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on, quote , needs to clamp down on, quote, lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. She says the attorney general and the lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave as the number of Channel Crossings continues to climb, with more than 14,000 people intercepted in small boats so far this year , dame boats so far this year, dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill we need a deterrent factor for a start and removals and returns. My rwanda plan was central to that. The returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. We have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally, you cant just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that means removing people and returning to other third returning people to other third countries or country of origin is the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. The nigel farage row. Grant shapps told the Sun Newspaper that the problem stems from being a politically exposed person , and he accused banks of person, and he accused banks of too going far. It comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him, have had their Bank Accounts forcibly closed. The gb news presenter closed. The gb news presenter says 1000 accounts are being shut every day. What ive learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , ive just been it were, ive just been inundated by Small Businesses , inundated by Small Businesses, by folk all around the country , by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear. Terror lies is being ruined. Thousands of businesses are being closed. Of businesses are being closed. The Prime Minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. The scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. In by some as an attack on motorists. In an by some as an attack on motorists. In an interview with motorists. In an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports peoples rights to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. Shadow International Trade secretary Nick Thomas Symonds told us the pm should leave the decision to local areas. Our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions , whether it is in decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where, by the way , there are communities up and down the country, you want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. Weve talked obviously specifically about ulez. Yes we certainly believe a well planned and low traffic neighbourhood is and low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing. A good thing. The governments Energy Security plans will be unveiled this week , aiming to, quote, this week, aiming to, quote, power up britain from britain. The Prime Minister and the Energy Security secretary are due to meet bosses from the uks oil and gas. Renewable and nuclear industries. They are expected to reveal a raft of new investment plans driven in part by the need for Greater Energy independence. Since russias invasion of ukraine. The hs2 programme has been given a red rating by the infrastructure watchdog. It believes the watchdog. It believes the timetable for construction of the first two phases of the rail line from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachievable. The ipas annual unachievable. The ipas annual report , which follows the report, which follows the resignation of chief executive Mark Thurston, cites major issues with the schedule and the budget. Hs2 issues with the schedule and the budget. Hs2 was initially issues with the schedule and the budget. Hs2 was initially slated budget. Hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026, but this has now been delayed by up to seven years. Russias state News Agency Says a Ukrainian Drone attack over moscow has damaged buildings and injured one person. A local airport was subsequently closed for arrivals and departures as two drones were shot down. It comes just hours after president putin told a meeting of African Leaders that ukrainian attacks made peace. Talks hard to realise. Peace. Talks hard to realise. President zelenskyy has rejected the idea of a ceasefire which would leave russia in control of nearly a fifth of his country and give kremlin forces time to regroup. This is gb news. Well regroup. This is gb news. Well bnng regroup. This is gb news. Well bring you more as it happens. Now lets get straight back to dame arlene. Dame arlene. And welcome to the show and thanks , terry, for that update thanks, terry, for that update with all of our headlines there. Well, rishi sunak is set to pour millions into a Carbon Capture project in the north sea, hoping to outflank labour on oil and gas whilst creating 21,000 new jobs. The Prime Minister will meet energy bosses this week to lay out plans for Energy Security in britain. This Energy Security in britain. This comes as net zero and ulez face increase scrutiny. Well, our reporter Olivia Oakley is in bexley where the issue of net zero is a hot topic. Hi, olivia. Well, of course, bexley was one of those councils that took sadiq khan to court over the extension of his ultra low emission zone. Tell us what the feeling is there in bexley about all of this net zero issue . All of this net zero issue . Yeah, ive been chatting to residents of bexley this morning and there are certainly very, very strong feelings about the ulez charge that the ultra low emissions charge being expanded into those outer london boroughs. I spoke to one person who said that he thought the whole policy was cruel, and he pointed out that ulez charges, if you have one of the more polluting older vehicles, then already Central London and already in Central London and soon outer london, you will soon in outer london, you will have pay a £12. 50 fee in have to pay a £12. 50 fee in order to drive around. One order to drive around. One resident pointed out that he knows a nurse who does night shifts who will have to pay £12. 51 day at the beginning of her night shift when she goes out and then well have to pay another £12. 50 on her way back because itll be different because itll be a different day. That is £50 a day for a nurse struggling with the cost of living crisis. There is pretty much universal disagreement with sadiq khan on ulez here. But theres a little bit of a little bit of tension over whether that will actually change minds as a general election. Of course , we saw in election. Of course, we saw in uxbndge election. Of course, we saw in uxbridge a couple of weeks ago voters, it was essentially turned into a referendum on ulez and voters sort of revolt against labour and elected a conservative mp. Whether thatll be replicated at a National Level in the next general election remains to be seen. There are quite a few people who ive spoken to here who say they dont like ulez at all, but theyre fed up with the conservatives and so will be voting labour anyway. Thats the feeling have feeling this morning. Ill have to and see. To wait and see. Well, olivier, its clearly an issue which the Prime Minister thinks is worth pursuing course he pursuing because of course he gave a very big interview this morning to sunday telegraph morning to the sunday telegraph in saying that he was going to review all of these Lower Mission areas. Do you think he seesit mission areas. Do you think he sees it as a way in which to unite tories behind him . Unite tories behind him . Well, absolutely. I think well, absolutely. I think this is a really good example of what rishi sunak calls a wedge issue between himself and keir starmer after those two byelection defeats and one by election victory a couple of weeks ago, rishi sunak has said quite openly that what he plans to do is find issues local issues like ulez, like ltns , issues like ulez, like ltns, those low traffic neighbourhoods where people, people, local people really feel very, very strongly about it. People who might be minded to vote labour on off the back of the conservatives record in the over the last 13 years but feel so strongly about this specific issue that they might be willing to vote conservative again. So rishi sunak and his team are very much on the hunt for these sort of wedge issues at the moment. And i think hes really hoping this in particular to hoping on this in particular to sort clear blue sort of get some clear blue water between himself and keir starmer these green policies. Starmer on these green policies. Of course, the problem for rishi sunakis of course, the problem for rishi sunak is that it isnt just labour who are having internal disagreements about green policy at moment. Yes sadiq khan, disagreements about green policy at londonient. Yes sadiq khan, disagreements about green policy at london mayor,s sadiq khan, disagreements about green policy at london mayor, andjiq khan, disagreements about green policy at london mayor, and keir han, the london mayor, and keir starmer, the labour leader, disagree with each other, but so does sunak , some of his does rishi sunak, some of his backbenchers course some backbenchers and of course some conservative environmentalists. Conservative environmentalists. Rishi sunak under pressure rishi sunak is under pressure from both sides. There are plenty sort of more, more, plenty of sort of more, more, slightly more centrist, perhaps slightly more centrist, perhaps slightly more centrist, perhaps slightly more left of the Party Conservative mps who really want to see the government putting net zero at the very top of its priority list. And then there are those in perhaps more rural constituencies, perhaps more sort thatcherite sort of traditional thatcherite mps who feel that growth should be top of the agenda and that net proper economic net zero and proper Economic Growth are incompatible. So rishi is facing pressure rishi sunak is facing pressure from both sides at the moment and itll be really interesting to see on which side he comes down. Olivia there in bexley , thank olivia there in bexley, thank you so much forjoining us this morning on the programme. Well, morning on the programme. Well, im now joined by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. Going to chew over nelson. Were going to chew over all that and more. Nigel, all of that and more. Nigel, lovely see again. And as lovely to see you again. And as i referenced, the sunday telegraph has this huge interview with the Prime Minister and its headlined im on motorists side. So theyre taking that oxbridge byelection result and theyre really putting it across the country. Yes, they are. And the trouble is, i think that all politicians seem to have gone wobbly about Climate Change or tackling it as a result of one rather bizarre byelection result. Or was it building up to that byelection result . Because there were, of course , noises before the by election result. And its almost as if the result then confirms what a lot of people thought. And its yes. And again, its a question of getting the balance right, but the right, obviously. But the important thing is, if you want to get to net zero by 2050, were all going to have to actually pay for it in one way or another. And it might be ulez schemes in different towns. It might be easing planning restrictions. So you end up with restrictions. So you end up with a wind farm on your doorstep. So and voters seem to be a bit sort of all over the place on this that all the polls are saying that all the polls are saying that Climate Change is now the fourth most important concern for voters after cost of living. And immigration and yet when it comes down to being asked to pay for it, theyre not so keen. This has obviously got both keir starmer and rishi sunak worried and theyre now trying to find a way around this. Well, it has got them worried and thats why the pm is taking out this interview today and engaging in a review on these low transmission areas. And hes also talking now about new licences for oil and gas, which is something that a lot of people will be upset about as well on the other hand, some people will see it as dealing with our Energy Security crisis. Well, yes, it depends. I mean, its a very managerial way of doing it. I think weve got weve got basically only two people vying, vying for number 10 or rishi sunak, to 10 or rishi sunak, trying to stay are both kind stay in there who are both kind of us. So rishi of managing us. And so rishi sunakis of managing us. And so rishi sunak is sort of sending a bit of a mixed message here. First of a mixed message here. First of talking about of all, hes talking about supporting the car driver. Fine then tomorrow he goes off to aberdeen to talk about Carbon Storage in the north sea. So its almost like a metaphorical reduction in his Carbon Footprint that hes doing one and then and then doing the other. I think the problem were facing at the moment over the whole Climate Change issue is that its some way away and what politicians do is they care about the next election , not the about the next election, not the next century. And we suffered next century. And we suffered the same thing when it came down to an ageing population. We knew to an ageing population. We knew 40 years ago that around about now there would be a crisis in the nhs pensions would become unsustainable. Nobody acted 40 unsustainable. Nobody acted 40 years ago to do something about that, where they could have gradually increase the pension age by say, a month a year or Something Like that. And as Something Like that. And as a result it was all done in one go and it seems to be that politicians sort of think, look, if this is sometime in if actually this is sometime in the future, we dont have to bother with that. But there is somewhat of hysteria over Climate Change. And then on the other hand, you have people that are arguing, well, Climate Change doesnt exist just the normal exist and its just the normal run i think what most run of things. I think what most people area where most people the area where most people the area where most people are is that they recognise there is a need to deal Climate Change, but deal with Climate Change, but when it comes paying for it, when it comes to paying for it, when it comes to paying for it, when theyre in cost of living when theyre in a cost of living crisis, a very difficult crisis, its a very difficult decision have now, decision to have to take. Now, nigel and that and i thought the, the intervention by lord hammond was very actually telling where he said that he told theresa may back in when he was her chancellor that it was going to cost £1 trillion to get the net zero by 2050. I mean thats an enormous amount. Its huge. I mean, that is gigantic. I think that that that might be offset somewhat by the kind of Economic Growth that we could actually prosper from if we started doing the right thing. So keir starmer is talking about making britain a green energy superpower. Part of that superpower. Part of that involves growing the economy. Wed have a whole host of new jobs in in green industries. So jobs in in green industries. So there are sort of trade offs when you do that. But do you think people believe that . I mean, do you think when people say, well, actually, if you invest in deaung actually, if you invest in dealing with climate now, it will actually mean more jobs in the medium to longer term . Do you think people actually believe or is that part of believe that or is that part of the problem . Think that theyre i think that theyre more worried they worried about the jobs they might the. Exactly. Might lose in the. Exactly. Which is which is the which which is which is the problem area. Yeah. Okay. Nigel well, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nigel well, i think youre to stay i think youre going to stay with the and with me throughout the show and im about but im delighted about that. But after break, im going to be after the break, im going to be joined lord vaizey to get joined by lord ed vaizey to get his take on the nigel farage against natwest scandal. Against natwest banking scandal. But latest but first, its the latest weather. Stay with us. Temperatures rising. The temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your latest gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. We have two by the met office. We have two areas of low pressure with us at the moment. The first tracking its way across Northern Areas of scotland, bringing this occluded front some showers at front with some showers at times. The second pushing times. The second one pushing its into the south west. Its way into the south west. Weve started see weve already started to see some move into south west some rain move into south west england, turning heavier for parts wales into northern parts of wales into Northern Ireland on as and ireland later on as well. And certainly turning certainly the skies turning quite through here. Some quite grey through here. Some sunny spells still in between the bubble up the showers. That bubble up across england into across Northern England into scotland. Of those scotland. But some of those showers sharp side showers still on the sharp side in places. Temperatures ranging between 18 and 20 c, perhaps 22 across the far east of england, but increasingly humid as we head into the night with this rain and cloud pushing its way through. As well, through. Breezy as well, particularly gusty around some coastal outbreaks rain coastal areas. Outbreaks of rain continuing, continuing for many, progressing way up into progressing its way up into scotland. But its the far north of scotland will of scotland that will likely stay some clearer stay dry with some clearer spells and under those clearer skies, a bit chillier skies, well turn a bit chillier down to around six, five degrees celsius and some sheltered villages more villages, much warmer and more humid. Start everywhere else humid. Start to everywhere else on morning. The rain on monday morning. The rain tracking across the Channel Islands lingering along some coasts england. But coasts of southern england. But a spells trying a few brighter spells trying to develop places still develop in places that still with risk showers at with the risk of showers at times rain looking like it times the rain looking like it will into Northern Areas of will push into Northern Areas of scotland , but generally central scotland, but generally central southern well , southern scotland as well, seeing persistent seeing some more persistent areas generally feeling areas of rain generally feeling rather cool for most us with rather cool for most of us with all that rain and cloud all of that rain and cloud around and further unsettled spells, on spells, particularly to come on wednesday by by the temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Welcome back to the show. Well Energy Security secretary grant shapps has told the sun that he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major wake of the major banks in the wake of the nigel de banking affair. Nigel farage de banking affair. It as the gb news it comes as the gb news presenter launched a new website to help people who, like him, have their Bank Accounts have had their Bank Accounts forcibly closed. Launching forcibly closed. Launching account closed. Org. He says its time to fight back and calls it a national scandal. We can only do this by getting together collectively. I am absolute committed to solving this problem. I dont know whether it can happen quickly or whether its going to be a long haul, but either way, its happened to me. I know its happened to tens of thousands of you. I am now going to be volunteering to be your your champion. I think we can bring about real fundamental change, and it will be my honour to do so. So please help me to help you. You. Well, yesterday, archer manor and founder of the true and fair party, gina miller, revealed that she too has had accounts closed. Nigel farage has publicly backed his political opponent after her Party Account with Digital Bank Monzo was pulled. Now someone who knows all about what its like to get all about what its like to get a bank account when youre in politics is lord ed vaizey, who joins now live from cornwall joins me now live from cornwall. Thanks very much, editor, for joining us this morning. For a lot of people watching the show, listening to the show, this will be the first time that theyve heard about politically exposed persons. Do you want to take the persons. Do you want to take the opportunity to explain what political expose persons are and why they are looked at in a different way by Banking Institutions . Institutions . So theres a regulation which is an international regulation, but weve adopted the european standard, which is a far higher standard, which is a far higher standard that covers what are known as politically exposed persons or peps. Known as politically exposed persons or peps. And its quite persons or peps. And its quite actually quite a wide group of people. Its not just serving politicians, people in the house of commons and house of lords. It also encompass aces their families. It includes their wives, husbands, partners whose children an even their mothers and fathers. It includes councillors, it includes top police officers, top military people , top civil servants. So people, top civil servants. So it could be hundreds of thousands of people. And the thousands of people. And the benign reason for the peps is that banks are asked to just do more detailed checks on people when they want to apply for a bank account to combat things like fraud or Money Laundering or the risk of bribery and so on. But the regulations, if you read them and a child of five, could read them and understand them, are very clear. It says that british peps have very low risk. Their families are the lowest risk possible. And you lowest risk possible. And you just and each case has to be treated individually and no one should be refused. A bank account because theyre a pep. Account because theyre a pep. Unfortunately, the banks have taken the path of least resistance. They send hugely onerous and intrusive forms to people who are peps and their families. My 85 year old mother got a 12 page form from the bank where shes banked for 20 or 30 years. Theyve taken away Kenneth Clarkes credit card because he refused to fill out the forms. A credit card hed had for 50 years. A former chancellor of the exchequer because they cant be bothered to do what the regulations state, which is to treat each case individually and approach it with common sense. And its caused an enormous amount of frustration. You may not sympathise or not you personally, eileen, but your viewers may not sympathise with a politician like me, but you would sympathise with somebody whose example , could whose father, for example, could no longer receive their state pension because their bank account closed because account had been closed because they crime of they committed the crime of having fathered a politician. Having fathered a politician. Its an outrageous way. Monzo is a very good example of a bank thatis a very good example of a bank that is under investigation by the fca because its a neo bank andifs the fca because its a neo bank and its easy to open an account and its easy to open an account and theyve taken the view that they simply will not give a bank account to any pep while theyre under investigation. Its outrageous. Well , it is outrageous. Well, it is outrageous. And thank you for mentioning the fact that its not just politicians like you and i that are politically exposed persons. Its our families as well. And so they can be denied Bank Accounts for no obvious reason. But the fact that there are son of a politician or a father or a mother, as youve rightly said, but you have indicated in a piece that you wrote for the times that you have been raising this issue for quite some time in terms of the disproportion reality. But nobody was really listening. And it took someone like nigel farage to be debunked , for someone to sit up and say, well, this is wrong. You yeah, its really annoying because obviously i dont agree with nigel farage or his views being and arch remainer. Being myself and arch remainer. But the fact remains that very senior members of the house of lords, not just me, but lots of conservative and labour peers, have been raising this. Theres a labour baroness called diane hayter, whos been raising it for many, many years now. Weve had debates in the house of lords where people have raised their personal circumstance cases. Weve had meetings with the fca and ministers and all. Weve been given are soft, soapy words. The minute nigel farage gets into trouble , the entire gets into trouble, the entire government machine turned around to solve the problem, including the chancellor of the exchequer. The banks all the chief executives of the banks were summoned to a meeting that never happened. When we raised the case with the government. To be case with the government. To be fair, nigels case is the most egregious example because i would not for a moment suggest that id had any problems because of my political views, norindeed because of my political views, nor indeed many of the other people whove had problems. This is the first case came across is the first case i came across and didnt believe it at first and i didnt believe it at first until did his subject until nigel did his subject access request that a bank could seriously take a view that they wouldnt give a bank account to someone because they disagreed with their political views. So with their political views. So i can understand perhaps why the government took this particular case more seriously. But it is frustrating for those of who frustrating for those of us who simply wanted common sense and i have to say the subject access request, which youve referred to and which nigel said this morning, he didnt even know what a subject access request was he had put one in. Was until he had to put one in. I mean, i was very concerned about fact that they were about the fact that they were holding like that on Holding Information like that on an individual, you know, 40 pages of , of an individual, you know, 40 pages of, of commentary in relation to his political views. Surely thats something the information commissioner should be looking into as well. And do you think finally, before i let you think finally, before i let you go, that this matter when the commons and the lords comes back, will be an issue that will certainly debated on the certainly be debated on the house floor . Yeah, i hope it will be. I mean, what kind of information do us . I mean, what kind of information do us . I mean, do banks keep on us . I mean, i have no idea whether my bank monitors what i say in parliament. Id be absolutely shocked if they did. So its completely irrelevant. There is only which they can only one thing which they can look legitimately, which look into legitimately, which is, this person potentially is, is this person potentially subject to pressure from outside interests or are they or could they use their position to facilitate Money Laundering . I think in 99. 9 of cases, common sense would show that wasnt the case. But the idea that you would hold this kind of data on one of your customers is completely unacceptable. Yeah. Yeah well, listen, thanks very much for joining us this morning. Thanks to lord vaizey for joining us. This morning. Thanks to lord vaizey forjoining us. And im now going to have a conversation about this economist justin about this with economist justin ewart. Justin i mean, how did we ewart. Justin i mean, how did we get into this position where banks are imposing their views on the people that are banking with them . Well, one of the great fashion fads youve got at the moment, which has come through and is how to behave. These initials in weve had these initials in the yes, enviro the city, esg. Yes, enviro mental, sustainable and governance. Is a great governance. So this is a great excuse to sit saying were excuse to sit there saying were now going to behave very properly. Well make now properly. So well make sure now were check up were actually going to check up on anything order on just about anything in order to whether its to prove whether its environmental or whether its political or anything. And theres can move theres no they can move anywhere if they so anywhere they like if they so wish. Course, its much wish. And of course, its much easier to sit there and say well make this as as we well make this as tough as we possibly because no one can possibly can because no one can criticise us. Yet as criticise us. And yet as a result of this, you now have a policy, an issue which united policy, an issue which is united all parties. Remarkably, all the parties. Remarkably, particularly this is particularly eventually, this is quite really, quite astonishing. So banks have made so the banks have made themselves stupid. Lets be themselves look stupid. Lets be absolutely one absolutely clear. Theres one thing of control where thing in terms of control where money from a money money comes from a Money Laundering and dealing with dodgy russians things like dodgy russians and things like that. Thing, having that. So another thing, having a bank account, its like having a gas account. Its something a process you ought to have. Process that you ought to have. Years actually did put in years ago we actually did put in in the old giro bank. Everyone was supposed to be able to have a bank account going through the post office and things like that. Sort of disappeared that. Thats sort of disappeared rather but people go rather now. But people should go back a bank back to actually having a bank account of your standard account as part of your standard process. How run your process. Thats how you run your life. Cant do it without life. You cant do it without it. Yeah. In terms of then checking where money checking about where your money is where put is coming from, where you put it, where its gone and how youre it. And in youre investing it. And in terms your background terms of your social background , in of are you a person , in terms of are you a person of suspicious terms of of suspicious nature in terms of Money Laundering . And i have to say our history that has not say our history on that has not been past few been good over the past few decades, the decades, particularly in the city and therefore, city of london and therefore, you back practicality, you bring back to practicality, how would you actually just run ordinary accounts of people ordinary Bank Accounts of people with sensible evaluation of whats necessary, grow up city . Well, i mean, to me, they seem to have moved away from the very basic piece of banking to all of this value driven stuff about, you know, what we have to have a policy on this and we have a policy on this and we have to have a policy on that. But the main issue of banking seems to have got lost in all of that. And the banking is quite standard process, but with some strict rules about it, such as, standard process, but with some stricknow,; about it, such as, standard process, but with some stric know, youyut it, such as, standard process, but with some stric know, you do it, such as, standard process, but with some stric know, you do not uch as, standard process, but with some stric know, you do not disclose you know, you do not disclose client information. Thats thats fundamental thats client information. Thats thatfundamental al thats client information. Thats thatfundamental issue thats client information. Thats thatfundamental issue whyts client information. Thats thatfundamental issue why alison the fundamental issue why alison rose go. Rose had to go. Absolutely. Rose had to go. No,olutely. Rose had to go. No, iutely. Rose had to go. No, i mean, sure she no, i mean, im sure she didnt mean to do it. It wasnt realising going on. You realising what was going on. You have a jolly nice supper, but fundamentally, if you do not do that, doctor, you that, if youre a doctor, you dont your patients dont disclose your patients information. You wouldnt even occur to you. Im afraid you need get to some need to get back to some processes in banking. How do you behave in business and behave properly in business and actually making sure that making sure doing it practically actually making sure that making surpeople doing it practically actually making sure that making surpeople doiractually tically actually making sure that making surpeople doiractually actually for people and actually actually having realising its a privileged look after peoples money, not a right and therefore you pay money, not a right and therefore you pay properly to your you have to pay properly to your clients and at the moment theyre sitting there, they can hide behind this, whether its green political green issues or political issues, this, that the issues, this, that and the other. Weve got our standards. Were participating in it. Were not participating in it. Im not good were not participating in it. Im yeah. Not good were not participating in it. Im yeah. Yeaht good enough. Yeah. Yeah and i thought it was very interesting speaking lord interesting speaking to lord vaizey the political vaizey there about the political exposed regulation and exposed person regulation. And of regulations of course, those regulations were come into were as you said, to come into force to stop Money Laundering, to fraud and money coming to stop fraud and money coming in from suspicious places. But in from suspicious places. But in fact, theyre now being used or be bothered banking, or cant be bothered banking, that person would just turn them down because theyre politically exposed. Well, but its ken clarkes credit or someones credit card or or someones unreal your fathers because unreal or your fathers because youre a politician, but your father happens to and then they cant have a bank account. Oh, this is just childish. And im afraid is. And and so im afraid this is. And where this come down to . Where does this come down to . Not just the banks, its also regular understanding regular was understanding actually just have actually. They dont just have to behind regulations and to hide behind regulations and said weve done to said this is what weve done to protect actually realise protect things actually realise what banking are for if what Banking Systems are for if you dont proper banking you dont have a proper Banking System. Enough , your system. Funnily enough, your economy doesnt work very well. Yeah to have that yeah and we need to have that functioning so theres functioning properly. So theres more coming in, more investment coming in, theres more confidence in banking theres more confidence in banki doing is actually pushing were doing is actually pushing away money from investing not just banks actually in just in banks but actually in britain, because people are sitting there what are sitting there saying, what are you ill go somewhere you lot doing . Ill go somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that is very concerning. Finally justin, mean, finally justin, i mean, weve heard vaizey. Hes been heard from ed vaizey. Hes been raising issue for years. Raising this issue for years. Others been raising for others have been raising it for years. Any years. Nobody passed any remarks. Yes, we remarks. They said, yes, we understand problem. It took understand your problem. It took nigel debunked. But nigel farage being debunked. But to a reaction from the to get a reaction from the government now, as weve heard , government now, as weve heard, its because they had this dossier him about his views dossier on him about his views and why he shouldnt be a banken and why he shouldnt be a banker, a client of coutts. Thats sinister enough. Thats sinister enough. I find that very sinister. I mean, goodness knows well all be having these subject access requests now to see what they have all of us. But this have about all of us. But this campaign will go on now and definitely there will be when the house of commons returns, there will be an issue that will have to be resolved around this p9p have to be resolved around this pep issue. Yeah, i mean, because its just just fair. Is just its just not fair. What is absolutely on absolutely clear whats going on and realise youve and actually realise youve actually got to have a professional Banking System which primary which is there to do its primary purpose actually making sure purpose of actually making sure money through. Have money is going through. You have the controls are the controls, the controls are then done and then then reasoned be done and then properly regulated , not properly regulated, not overregulated protecting overregulated by protecting yourself, saying weve yourself, by saying weve actually policies on actually got policies on everything green to everything from green to politics. Im thatsjust politics. Im sorry, thats just an excuse. Also, hopefully we an excuse. Also, hopefully we can the worlds worst can get rid of the worlds worst new verb, de banking. New verb, de banking. Where did that come from . Where did that come from . Where did that come from . Absolutely. Justin, thanks so absolutely. Justin, thanks so much for coming in and thanks for looking like a banker in your red today. Its very good to you. Thank you. To see you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well , a new thank you. Well, a new report into thank you. Well , a new report into the well, a new report into the Windsor Framework by the house of committee has cast of Lords Committee has cast fresh the controversial fresh light on the controversial deal rishi sunak in an deal struck by rishi sunak in an attempt to resolve the problems of the ireland of the Northern Ireland protocol. Lords select protocol. The Lords Select Committee whilst the Committee Says that whilst the windsor is an Windsor Framework is an improvement the ownership improvement on the ownership restrictions the protocol, restrictions of the protocol, serious concerns remain take serious concerns remain to take just one example, the supply of more than half of veterinary medicines Northern Ireland medicines to Northern Ireland from the rest the uk would be from the rest of the uk would be prohibitive if the deal is fully implemented. Well, im delighted to now joined by to say that im now joined by lord nigel nigel, really lord nigel dodds. Nigel, really good to see you this morning. Good to see you this morning. Good morning, ari. Yeah nigel, we all remember when the Windsor Framework was published back in february of this year and we were told that in a blaze of pubuchy were told that in a blaze of publicity that it was going to solve all the difficulties of the protocol. This report says the protocol. This report says something completely different. Tell us about it. Well, the report is the report of the select committee in the house of lords on the protocol now called the Windsor Framework. But essentially the framework. But essentially the same thing with a few tweaks and it cuts through the hype and the spin that the government has launched around the Windsor Framework was launched, as you say, with great fanfare by the Prime Minister in february. But but shrouded in ambiguity and misrepresentation ever since , misrepresentation ever since, the commons was never allowed a proper vote and debate on the overall framework, just various Statutory Instruments and that this report cuts through all of that hype and spins taking evidence from right across the board businesses , stakeholders, board businesses, stakeholders, politicians and has come to very serious conclusions, which i think will make very uncomfortable reading for the government in that it confirms that whilst it may be better than the protocol, the original protocol, as it was agreed , but protocol, as it was agreed, but of course that original protocol was never implemented. It had a lot of grace periods and easements because to implement it fully would have destroyed the Northern Ireland economy. But what it finds is that for many businesses , this windsor many businesses, this Windsor Framework will be worse in terms of burdens and duties and red tape and costs than what we have in the current arrangements since brexit. And that is something that should worry everybody in Northern Ireland, whether youre a unionist or nationalist or whatever political persuasion you are. Political persuasion you are. And nigel, when i was reading through the report, which is quite a hefty report and obviously there was a lot of work put into it, and as you say, youve heard from a wide range of people and taken a lot of evidence. One of the things that the Windsor Framework introduced was this concept of green lanes and red lanes and in the report it says while the green lanes will benefit large retailers in particular for some retailers in particular for some retailers and other sectors may have to use the red lane. Explain that to us. Yeah we have no this bizarre situation where goods moving within the United Kingdom have to go through these lanes which is which is going to cause real problems as the fsb were criticising the situation the other day, saying that it was going to be a real problem come october when this is supposed to be coming into force. So people who the only people who can use green lanes are really large retailers whose end destination for those goods is in Northern Ireland and who apply in Northern Ireland and who apply not for eu labels, but for virtually everybody else. Other retailers manage fractures, meat for processing grain to be used to feed animals vast swathes of goods coming from britain to Northern Ireland have to use this red lane and this red line. What is it . Its a full customs checks documentation , as if you checks documentation, as if you were sending to the European Union. So this idea that rishi sunak said that he had removed through the Windsor Framework, any notion or any idea or any sense of an irish sea border is , im afraid, debunked completely by by this report which confirms what businesses and hauliers and others have been telling us in any case. And one of the other most worrying aspects of this is that that eu law, we were told that 1700 pages had been disapplied , that pages had been disapplied, that wonderful things were happening. Eu law was being lifted. That turns out not to be the case. In fact, Northern Ireland businesses trading within Northern Ireland, within britain, the uk sending to the rest of the world no trade at all with the European Union still have to manufacture their goods and be regulated by European Union law and the report finds that that will put them at a competitive disadvantage compared to their british counterparts. And thats british counterparts. And thats really totally unacceptable. Really totally unacceptable. Well, theres the competitive disadvantage point and the fact that theyre still under the jurisdiction of the court in europe. But theres a democratic deficit issue as well, isnt there, nigel . The fact that yeah, because were in the Single Market for goods in Northern Ireland, we have to take and regulations take the laws and regulations from the European Union. However where we have no democratic say in those laws at all. Yes. I mean, the report finds that theres no change whatsoever to the role and jurisdiction of the European Court of justice, of the European Union. And as you say, we have a situation where laws are being going to be made over vast swathes and are being made, as we saw with the partials directive, just last week, where the government had to sack five of mps replace them on of its mps and replace them on the committee to the partial the committee to get the partial border between northern border enforced between Northern Ireland, the rest of the United Kingdom. Utterly ridiculous scenes in parliament. But we have a situation where laws are going imposed on going are being imposed on Northern Ireland without any say or vote by any elected representative of either in the Stormont Assembly in belfast or in the houses of parliament or supreme parliament. So this is a complete undemocratic situation which should concern all politicians in britain and Northern Ireland. And sadly there are people who are cheerleading for the protocol who said that it should be rigorously implemented , who seem rigorously implemented, who seem to want to deny to themselves the powers that any democrat should want, which is to make the laws and to set the laws for the laws and to set the laws for the people that they represent in the area that they represent. So its a its a bizarre situation. Were fighting this cause for democracy and for the getting rid of this irish sea border, not for just getting rid of this irish sea border, not forjust unionists border, not for just unionists in Northern Ireland, who, of course, feel very strongly, but for everybody who, as weve seen from this report, are going to be disadvantaged as a result of this Windsor Framework. Finally, nigel, you and finally, nigel, you mentioned stormont there, of course at course stormont isnt running at this present time because of the protocol and because now of the Windsor Framework. Do you see any route back to stormont in the next couple of months . Well, look , all of us who are involved look, all of us who are involved in politics and, and you and i have been involved for a long time want to see government restored in Northern Ireland if we possibly can. But the uk government has a mighty responsibility here. It gives pledges and promises to the people that it would get rid of this irish sea border, that it would deal with the democratic deficit and deal with diversion of trade and all these problems that are affecting us as a result of the protocol and this Windsor Framework, it is yet to deliver on that. So the ball is very much in the court of the government. It did bring forward proposals through the protocol bill, which it has now dropped. There are suggestions such a mutual enforcement and such as a mutual enforcement and other means by which the government could wrest back control over the laws that govern us and part of the United Kingdom. And i think the onus is very much now on the government to do that. And until it deals to do that. And until it deals with that issue and delivers on the promises that it made, then im afraid we could be for in more period of instability. We more period of instability. We dont want to see that, but its very much the responsibility of rishi sunak and his government. Now to deal with it. Nigel, thanks so much for joining us this morning. Nigel, thanks so much for joining us this morning. And joining us this morning. And after the break, im going to be joined by the couple who gave up theirjobs joined by the couple who gave up their jobs to build theirjobs to build a multi Million Pound property empire to ask whether landlords are being scapegoated for the housing well im back to the show. Well, its more than two months now since michael gove introduced the renters reform bill. It was brought into parliament in order to protect tenants in the Housing Market. But many landlords feel the bill puts extra burdens on their businesses. But the last week, the levelling up secretary has said are vital said private landlords are vital to the private rental sector. So to the private rental sector. So which is it . Do landlords have a part to play in the Housing Market . And how do we solve the record numbers of People Living in accommodation . In temporary accommodation . Well, that, im joined well, to answer that, im joined by couple started to pile by a couple who started to pile into the Housing Market just as everybody else was running out of leanne and Graham Carling of it. Leanne and Graham Carling bought first rental bought their first rental property in the middle of the financial of two thousand financial crash of two thousand and 2008. Welcome to the and seven 2008. Welcome to the show. Really pleased to have you on the show today and i suppose i just wanted to ask whether you believe as landlords , whether believe as landlords, whether you a vital role to play in you have a vital role to play in the housing as as michael the Housing Market as as michael gove said. Gove said. Well, thanks for having us on, arlene. I do think and i do believe that landlords do play a huge part in the housing crisis because we do provide safe, Affordable Accommodation for renters. But with the changes , renters. But with the changes, etcetera, that are coming into play etcetera, that are coming into play , landlords are being play, landlords are being squeezed. Yeah. And were told today that over 100,000 people are in temporary accommodation. Thats basically in hotels and hostels and thats the highest since records have begun in 1998. Surely theres a role for people like yourselves to try and make sure that as well as social houses, there are houses for people to move into. People to move into. Yeah, i mean i think, i mean, thats, thats an incredible amount of, you know, temporary accommodation, people in temporary accommodation. And i temporary accommodation. And i think that, you know, what weve seen over the years since weve been involved add back in two thousand and seven and eight, there has been a squeeze. Theres such a squeeze in terms of the regulation , taxation, the of the regulation, taxation, the legacy inflation around landlords that actually if you just look at the numbers, its a very difficult investment for anybody that would even be minded to get into into it. So what youre seeing is a slow exodus. I say slow because these rules have been coming in for the last ten years. Of course , a the last ten years. Of course, a number of the new policy policies that theyre talking about bringing in in england have been in place in scotland for a number of years. So what weve seen has been a quiet, if you like, where some of the larger landlords have just simply exited by selling their properties. That has reduced the amount for rent, leaving less available for people to rent. And therefore youre seeing this increase in temporary accommodation. Accommodation. Yeah, yeah. And one of the goals recommended is that you will be able to turn shops on the high streets and takeaways and betting shops and what have you into Living Spaces again. I mean, do you think thats a good idea . Graham and leon , do you idea . Graham and leon, do you think thats something that will help market . Yeah help open up the market . Yeah yeah, definitely. But ill tell you, thats a lot easier said and done. Weve done that. We converted done that. We have converted empty buildings, schools , empty buildings, schools, churches, hotels , pubs. Weve churches, hotels, pubs. Weve done all that. The problem is, is the length of time that these developments are redevelopments take absolutely. It would make take absolutely. It would make sense to repurpose some of these commercial properties that likely wont ever be a pub again or a betting shop again or something just because of the or even banks that are moving on to online. So certainly they should they should certainly something that should be looked at. The problem we found in doing those conversions has been in the planning, the length of planning , the cost of funds. And theres complications that come up when you go through that process. So its not, you know, to do a betting shop, convert it into 1 or 2 flats, for example , can or 2 flats, for example, can take you five years. Thats the problem. Yeah. And those five years are presumably not to down the length of time it takes to do the physical work. Its all about the planning and the need to do that. And of course the policy has changed because it used be that government and used to be that government and councils People Councils didnt want People Living and cities. They living in towns and cities. They wanted them out suburbs. Wanted them out in the suburbs. But are so many empty but but there are so many empty spaces in our towns and villages now. Either shops are not open and the whole building is in need of renovation or living over the shop seems to be something that doesnt happen anymore either. Yeah, well, the problem with some of these is that a number of banks or lenders they frown upon or its part of their policy that they will not lend to a property above a commercial no matter what that is, you know, it doesnt have to be a kebab shop that can go on fire. It could simply be an office and but, you know, their policy is they just dont lend above commercial. Yeah. So that makes it more difficult. There is a restriction on to borrowers who can actually, you know, go and borrow money from from an institution to do that. And if its not the lenders that wont lend theres higher insurance rates for properties above commercial units. Above commercial units. Yeah. So back to the banks again, which is something that weve been talking about. As you can imagine on the show today. But i wanted to ask you, as entrepreneurs , as uk entrepreneurs, as uk entrepreneurs, as uk entrepreneurs , and as someone entrepreneurs, and as someone who took a risk , walked away who took a risk, walked away from their jobs, decided they were going to do this for themselves , is the uk still a themselves, is the uk still a good place to be an entrepreneur, do you think . Entrepreneur, do you think . Look, i think its certainly got a lot more difficult that that ill put it this way. The answer is yes, because you know, there will always be opportunities. So we are we are opportunities. So we are we are a Glass Half Full people and we wouldnt be in business in the uk if we didnt think there was opportunities. But but the opportunities. But but the question the question is, are there better places to be entrepreneurs and invest your money . Are there better countries that are more, you know , entrepreneurial, focussed know, entrepreneurial, focussed 7 know, entrepreneurial, focussed . Absolutely there is. And thats thats certainly what we found since since weve been in business and we can have we have the opportunity to look at investments all over the place. Now, there are simply better opportunities, you know , outwith opportunities, you know, outwith the uk and thats and thats frustrating. Yeah, im sure it is frustrating. And just finally, i know that one of the things you feel very strongly about is not just being an entrepreneur , but just being an entrepreneur, but giving back and youve , youve giving back and youve, youve recently climbed base camp on mount everest. Tell us very briefly about what you did and who that was for. Okay. So graeme and i all all our married life weve give gave back to different various charities that weve weve been passionate about for different reasons. And our daughter was diagnosed in 2008 with type one diabetes was and since then weve done a lot of fund raising for them. So in may this year, we climbed Everest Base Camp to raise funds and it was fantastic. So for in the uk. So for in the uk. Yeah, brilliant. Well thank you for doing that and thanks very much for coming on the show today and telling us why you feel that you have a role to play feel that you have a role to play in the Housing Market here in the uk. Thanks very much for coming on the show. In the uk. Thanks very much for coming on the show. Well, it was coming on the show. Well, it was really good to hear there from graham and leanne to and hear about their journey as entrepreneurs here in the uk. But thats it for this hour. But ill be back at 12 noon with more, including one of the lead claimants in a civil suit against the department of health over the contaminated blood scandal. So stay with us. Heres the weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your latest gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. We have two areas of low pressure with us at the moment. The first tracking its way across Northern Areas of scotland, bringing occluded scotland, bringing this occluded front showers at front with some showers at times. Second one pushing times. The second one pushing its into the south west. Its way into the south west. Weve started to see weve already started to see some into south west some rain move into south west england, turning heavier for parts of wales into Northern Ireland. Later on as well. And certainly the skies turning quite through here. Some quite grey through here. Some sunnier spells still in between the that bubble up the showers that bubble up across england into across Northern England into scotland. Of those scotland. But some of those showers sharp side showers still on the sharp side in temperatures. Ranging in places. Temperatures. Ranging between 18 and 20 c, perhaps 22 across the far east of england, but increasingly humid as we head into the night with this rain and cloud pushing its way through as through breezy as well, particularly around particularly gusty around some coastal areas. Outbreaks rain coastal areas. Outbreaks of rain continuing continue for many progressing way up into progressing its way up into scotland. Its the far north scotland. But its the far north of scotland that will likely stay with some clearer stay dry with some clearer spells. Under clearer spells. And under those clearer skies, a bit chillier skies, well turn a bit chillier down to around six five degrees celsius and some sheltered villages much warmer more villages much warmer and more humid start to everywhere else on morning. The rain on monday morning. The rain tracking the channel tracking across the Channel Islands some islands lingering along some coasts england , but coasts of southern england, but a few brighter spells trying to develop places still develop in places that still with showers at with the risk of showers at times rain looking like times the rain looking like it will into Northern Areas of will push into Northern Areas of scotland. But generally central southern scotland as well, seeing persistent seeing some more persistent areas feeling areas of rain generally feeling rather cool most of us with rather cool for most of us with all rain and cloud all of that rain and cloud around and further unsettled spells, to come on spells, particularly to come on wednesday. By a brighter wednesday by. By a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Im jacob rees mogg, the member of parliament for North East Somerset and a former government minister. For years i have walked the corridors of power in both westminster and the city of london. To have the london. We need to have the arguments, discussions on arguments, the discussions on how it crop how we make it better crop failures, famine, war, suffering on a scale completely unimaginable. We are putting the cart before the horse so as charles the first said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of liberty. Defender of liberty. Yeah, completely yeah, ive completely derailed conversation. Derailed the conversation. Monday to thursday at join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. On gb news, britains news. Channel good afternoon and welcome back to sunday with arlene foster. An early afternoon of foster. An early afternoon of political and topical debate while kicking us off for this houn while kicking us off for this hour, were asking whether the conservatives can find political salvation by attacking labours anti motorist policies. The tory candidate for uxbridge and South Ruislip snatched the victory from the jaws of defeat in last weeks by election. By going all out against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone. But is it a formula that can be repeated nationwide . And then ive gb favourite ive got gb news favourite leftie, paul embery on to debate strikes real passengers have faced another chaotic weekend as train workers walked out over pay train workers walked out over pay and conditions. Is there any end in sight for the dispute . And later in the show, ill be joined by jason evans, the lead. Clement in a civil suit against the department of health over the department of health over the contaminated blood inquiry. Jason only four when he lost jason was only four when he lost his father, who had been infected with hepatitis and hiv dunng infected with hepatitis and hiv during treatments for during routine treatments for his haemophilia. Oliver to come. But first, your latest news headunes but first, your latest News Headlines with. Ray headlines with. Ray good afternoon. 12 01. Im ray addison in the newsroom. Our top story this hour, former home secretary Dame Priti Patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. She says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave. That says the number of Channel Crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. Dame priti warns that the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill. Neither deterrent factor, for a start and removals and returns. And removals and returns. My rwanda plan was central to that. The returns agreements that. The returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. We have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally , you cant come here illegally, you cant just get a free pass, be in firm is actually the stance that we should and that means should take. And that means removing people returning removing people and returning people to other third countries or country of origin in the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row grant shapps told the sun that the problem stems from being a politically exposed person. He accused banks of going too far. It comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him, have had their Bank Accounts forcibly closed. The gb news presenter says 1000 accounts are being shut every day. What ive learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , ive just been it were, ive just been inundated by Small Businesses , inundated by Small Businesses, by folk all around the country , by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear. Terror lies is being ruined. Thousands of businesses are being closed. Of businesses are being closed. Well, the governments Energy Security plans will be unveiled this week, aiming to power up britain from britain. The Prime Minister and the Energy Security secretary are due to meet bosses from the uks oil and gas renewable and nuclear industries. Theyre expected to reveal a raft of new investment plans, dnvenin raft of new investment plans, driven in part by the need for Greater Energy independence since russias invasion of ukraine. Mike ingram is a consulting Senior Market strategist. He told us its all tactics and no strategy. Tactics and no strategy. A talking point. We havent built a Nuclear Reactor in the uk since 1995. Were paying about 60 more than the european average wholesale for wholesale electricity prices as we are saddled with a net zero project which amongst other things, is going to deliver things like heat pumps, which are unaffordable and completely impractical for many of the people, lower down on income people, lower down on the income scale and, you know, and were taxing our oil and gas industry, which has been mentioned in this at 75. The Prime Minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods as the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas , has been seen residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. In an interview with the sunday telegraph , rishi the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports peoples right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. Shadow International Trade secretary Nick Thomas Symonds told us the pm should leave the decision to local areas. Our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions , whether it is in decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way, there are communities up and down the country who want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods , whether it their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of you know, clean air zones. Weve talked obviously specifically ulez. Yes, we specifically about ulez. Yes, we certainly believe a well planned low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing. The hs2 programme has been given a red rating by the infrastructure watchdog. It believes the timetable for construction of the first two phases of the rail line from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachieved. While to crewe are unachieved. While the ipas annual report, which follows the resignation of chief executive Mark Thurston , cites executive Mark Thurston, cites major issues with the schedule and the budget. Hs2 was and the budget. Hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026. This has now been delayed by p 2026. This has now been delayed by up to seven years. Youre watching gb news. Well bring you more as it happens. Now lets get straight back to dame marlene. Marlene. Thanks, terry, and welcome back to the show. Now, sadiq khan celebrated this week as his plan his plan to expand londons ultra low emission zone to include the citys outer boroughs was ruled unlawful by the high court. But should he be if polling and labours performance in uxbridge and South Ruislip are anything to go by, it would seem anti motorist policies are a huge electoral liability the party. So can liability for the party. So can the conservatives turn the politics the road into an politics of the road into an election winning formula . Ill be discussing that with my guests in just a moment. But first, hartle brings up first, lisa hartle brings us up to date on friday, the High Court Ruled in favour of the mayor of london after five conservative led councils had challenged his proposals to expand the ultra low emission zone to Greater London in vehicles that are classed as more polluting will be charged £12. 50 drive in these areas. The reason tfl say it will reduce the number of deaths caused by polluted air, but those opposed to the plans say there isnt enough evidence to show the expansion will make a difference to air quality. And difference to air quality. And theyre concerned that itll impact the poorest in society. Impact the poorest in society. Im going to continue to put pressure on the mayor not to go ahead with this. This is going to have bad to have savagely bad consequences thousands of my consequences for thousands of my constituents just my constituents and not just my constituent, course, because constituent, of course, because it people who it will impact on people who live london, live outside Greater London, people have no say over who people that have no say over who is mayor of london and what is the mayor of london and what policies because policies he pursues because they dont vote in the london dont have a vote in the london mayoral election. So the mayoral election. So the estimate khan estimate that sadiq khan makes of cars being compliant, of 9 in 10 cars being compliant, thats theres been thats theres already been some question that. But of question marks over that. But of course, counting people course, hes not counting people that to greater that need to come in to Greater London a daily basis from london on a daily basis from outside who will be hit by this. Hertfordshire is one the hertfordshire is one of the counties which border counties which will border a ulez some local businesses ulez area. Some local businesses say, theyre not say, although theyre not directly the ulez zone, the directly in the ulez zone, the new expansion will affect them. New expansion will affect them. A plumbers merchant in potters bar tradespeople will be hit i the way things are, theres people that cant afford do people that cant afford to do certain things now and obviously theres a lot of guys that the van is there to. So they cant afford to change their vehicle. Afford to change their vehicle. So theyve got no choice but to pay so theyve got no choice but to pay the congestion or the ulez for those working in a carpet shop say this new expansion could see people leave the profession. Profession. Most of the guys are self employed. Carpet fitters have got vans that arent compliant for a transit van nowadays thats compliant. Were nowadays thats compliant. Were going to be looking at about £40,000. I think it could put a few of them to the point where theyre near retirement now and theyre near retirement now and the thought of having to buy a new vehicle is or pay £12. 50 a day will put them off and theyll probably have to give it in. The decision to expand the ultra low emission zone was a difficult one, not one i took lightly. But its the right one because its vital we make more progress cleaning up the air in our city. Its a fact that air pollution in our city leads to around 4000 premature deaths a yean around 4000 premature deaths a year, leads to children having stunted lungs forever , and stunted lungs forever, and adults with a whole host of Health Issues from asthma to cancen Health Issues from asthma to cancer, dementia to heart disease. Well, as a driver myself, i have a hybrid, so im assuming it doesnt affect me. But for other drivers or to be drivers, its going to restrict have a lot of restrictions for them because essentially its going to be difficult for them financially to justify driving to london. The people who have the least money are the most affected. And if thats what khan represents and hes trying to say, you know, im helping everybody , he isnt hes hes everybody, he isnt hes hes penalising people as a consequence of me listening. Next week will be massively expanding the support londoners receive every family in london thats almost a million families who receive child benefit will be eligible for support from next week. Every Small Business in london will be eligible for support from next week. And every charity in london cant get car that, despite huge opposition , the expansion of opposition, the expansion of ulez is set to take place on the 29th of august. Lisa hartle gb news london. Lisa hartle gb news london. Our thanks to lisa for that little update on whats been happening. Well, editor gemmell is the leader of the Climate Party and very pleased to say he joins me in the studio. And i was talking to you before you came on air and i was asking why the Climate Party . Why not the green party . Perhaps youd like the Climate Party . Why not the grytellparty . Perhaps youd like the Climate Party . Why not the grytell oury . Perhaps youd like the Climate Party . Why not the grytell our viewers ps youd like the Climate Party . Why not the grytell our viewers and oud like to tell our viewers and listeners why. Yeah, sure. Certainly so. So the Climate Party is pro business, pro climate and really targeting both really going out targeting both centre right voters and very centre and right voters and very much focussed on the opportunity of Climate Change. Yes. Look, this is where were going. 150 countries have set net zero targets setting them. So targets or are setting them. So thats direction of travel thats the direction of travel in Clean Industries in terms of new Clean Industries and to our targets and we need to bring our targets forward, get at the front of that new Industrial Revolution and offshored our and lead it offshored our industry for last 40 years. Industry for the last 40 years. Lets onshore it now and start making we stuff here making sure we make stuff here and make money from it. No, very yeah, no, thats very interesting. To give you interesting. I want to give you the opportunity to do that. So tell us, what do you feel about this ulez expansion into those different areas of london and beyond . Beyond . Well, as you know, ive been pretty personally it, pretty personally up with it, actually, having done been actually, having done the been a candidate uxbridge candidate in the uxbridge by election and ulez is clearly an issue. I mean, i think lets talk probably first about maybe how to improve it and then secondly, about the attitude on the street from it, because i had lot experience in terms had a lot of experience in terms of to improve we wrote of how to improve it. We wrote to khan and we actually to sadiq khan and we actually said to him in a letter in the middle of campaign saying, middle of the campaign saying, look, clean air, look, good idea, clean air, reduce pollution. Thats a great idea. Everybody the idea. And everybody on the street but what street agrees with it. But what we to do it in a way we need to do is do it in a way where it works for londoners. So not cliff edge on the 29th not this cliff edge on the 29th of august, but introduce it over five years, maybe £2, year, five years, maybe £2, 51st year, gradually to you gradually graded up to 1250. You wouldnt in wouldnt see then the spike in the cost of second hand compliant vehicles, cheap electrics is electrics and hybrids, which is happening. Same with the happening. And the same with the vans. You wouldnt see that vans. And you wouldnt see that massive the value of the massive drop in the value of the cheaper cars that people have, non compliant have to non compliant cars now have to face it. The face when they sell it. The second part all about second part is all about an uptick. Can sadiq khan uptick. You can see sadiq khan at moment talking about hes at the moment talking about hes listened to listened that hes now going to look million families, look after a million families, that going to increase the that hes going to increase the access now for Small Businesses to the optics are to support. But the optics are not why not just come out not good. Why not just come out and of the money thats and say all of the money thats coming in the scheme, which coming in on the scheme, which is to be between 100 is estimated to be between 100 and 300 million in the first yean and 300 million in the first year, it to support year, put it to all support those people and those businesses. And take businesses. Dont try and take any of it to anything else. Just support always the most vulnerable business businesses and probably vulnerable business businesses and get probably vulnerable business businesses and get complaints. Y vulnerable business businesses and get complaints that wouldnt get the complaints that youve been hearing. Yeah. It a neutral cost. So make it a neutral cost. And actually put the money back in help people who hits in to help those people who hits hardest. It seems me hardest. Because it seems to me as often happens this case, as often happens in this case, people on benefits, people who are will are in receipt of benefits will get assistance with this scheme. However, those the working poor, as them, will find it as we call them, will find it the difficult. Mean, the most difficult. No i mean, absolutely. Fact , we explain this and in fact, we explain this quite a lot when we were out campaigning, and theres a very good was good example of what was happening an example, happening there. So an example, raj business owner, hes happening there. So an example, raj four business owner, hes happening there. So an example, raj four minibuses owner, hes happening there. So an example, raj four minibuses thater, hes happening there. So an example, raj four minibuses that he hes happening there. So an example, raj four minibuses that he was got four minibuses that he was running at the time. Running a business at the time. He polishing his minibus as he was polishing his minibus as i around to give a i ran around to give him a leaflet and talk him. And he leaflet and talk to him. And he was a brave man. Well, and he he explained straight he explained straight away, he said, look, said, im selling said, look, he said, im selling my because of ulez said, look, he said, im selling my afford because of ulez said, look, he said, im selling my afford to because of ulez said, look, he said, im selling my afford to keeprse of ulez said, look, he said, im selling my afford to keep the f ulez cant afford to keep the business. Im going on the dole. Then when we talked about the scheme i just described you, scheme i just described to you, so year you so over five year period so you wouldnt this cliff edge wouldnt see this cliff edge and all money coming back to all the money coming back to support people. And he basically said, could see that said, yeah, i could see that working. Wouldnt selling working. I wouldnt be selling my and think my minibuses now. And i think we do need clean air. We do need to get so id get rid of pollution. So id probably be for it. And thats from an fully affected. Yeah. And were talking yeah. And we were talking about earlier in the show about this earlier in the show with nigel nelson, political with nigel nelson, our political correspondent. Saying correspondent. We were saying our political commentator, we were people want were saying that people want better air. People want to be a part of the Climate Change agenda. When its agenda. But when its disproportionately hitting them in finances , then they in terms of finances, then they they step back from it. Well and thats the problem. Absolutely. This particular instance, and this particular instance, its vulnerable. Its about the most vulnerable. You know, its about 5 or 10 of people and businesses that are going be affected it. And going to be affected by it. And youve look them. Youve got to look after them. But actual you can but in actual fact, you can achieve your aim, which is clean air, less pollution by taking all the money and looking after them that would them with it. And that would be pretty everybody pretty reasonable and everybody would buy into it. Pretty reasonable and everybody wotwell,y into it. Pretty reasonable and everybody wotwell, peoplet. Pretty reasonable and everybody wotwell, people just see it as well, people just see it as a tax and another tax on their businesses on their businesses and indeed on their lives. But the Prime Minister has batting has come out batting for motorists and im sure motorists today, and im sure youve interview that youve seen that interview that he gave the sunday telegraph he gave to the sunday telegraph. Im on the. Hes saying im on the motorists. What do you motorists side. What do you think about message . Think about that message . I think its just okay. Well, i think its just political positioning begin political positioning to begin with. It means with. I dont think it means anything. I think if were to anything. I think if we were to take and what hes take it seriously and what hes trying to say actually, what trying to say actually, is what we do is we want to we want to do is we want to pretend its going to cost you less if we around with these policies and them back policies and push them back where seeing from him where were not seeing from him or, from keir or, im afraid from keir starmer, is any real leadership on bigger issue climate on the bigger issue of Climate Change. Very much change. And thats very much like said at the beginning, like i said at the beginning, there a massive mass of there is a massive mass of opportunity about to opportunity that were about to lose out the and if lose out on in the uk and if were to get ourselves at were going to get ourselves at the front and lead this Industrial Revolution, we Industrial Revolution, then we need much earlier Industrial Revolution, then we need and much earlier Industrial Revolution, then we need and then much earlier Industrial Revolution, then we need and then targeti earlier Industrial Revolution, then we need and then target allrlier Industrial Revolution, then we need and then target all ofer targets and then target all of our financial response and private enterprise as well, and private enterprise as well, and private finance into getting there. Roll our sleeves up, make this the National Mission lead the doing it, and then the world in doing it, and then well be doing a lot of innovations, making a lot of money. Britain then be money. And britain will then be able to pay for all of the services things at the services and things that at the moment we worry about. So People Services and things that at the motheit we worry about. So People Services and things that at the mothe streetnorry about. So People Services and things that at the mothe street have about. So People Services and things that at the mothe street have saidit. So People Services and things that at the mothe street have said worried ople on the street have said worried about nhs, not funded about the nhs, not funded enough, worried about the police, funded enough, police, not funded enough, worried of worried about the cost of living, worried about sticky inflation. Had a much inflation. If we had a much bigger Industrial Opportunity bigger in Industrial Opportunity here be clean. Here and it can all be clean. Thats with soot thats not smokestacks with soot coming the wed be coming out at the top. Wed be making things wed see making things and wed see all of the money that we of the money flowing that we could then use to invest in them. Its very sighted them. So its very short sighted for minister to for the Prime Minister to give this that by rowing this impression that by rowing back these climate back on some of these Climate Change hes going to change policies, hes going to help. What should be help anybody. What he should be doing the mantle, doing is gripping the mantle, gripping the metal and actually saying, this as saying, look, we can do this as britain, lead it, lets saying, look, we can do this as britai|some lead it, lets saying, look, we can do this as britai|some money. , lets saying, look, we can do this as britai|some money. And s saying, look, we can do this as britai|some money. And then we can make some money. And then we can deal all these issues deal with all of these issues because have money in the bank. But i mean, people dont believe that were going to make money. And thats the fundamental because fundamental problem, because when someone of the when you have someone of the status who used status of lord hammond, who used to of this to be the chancellor of this country, told the country, saying that he told the then Prime Minister that it was to going cost £1 trillion to get to going cost £1 trillion to get to by thats an to net zero by 2050. Thats an enormous amount of money. And then say, well, she was then people say, well, she was told are we going told this, so why are we going down this route . Especially when china places that are china and places like that are actually much carbon actually making as much carbon as did . As they always did . Yeah, sure. I mean, were talking about a trillion of cost. Well, were in cost. Well, if were in a business, wed be saying a trillion and trillion of investment and mckinsey figures mckinsey have given out figures probably actually probably subsequent actually to when that when lord hammond said that actually, which say that its already going to be worth a trillion to us terms of gdp trillion to us in terms of gdp between and 2030. And thats between now and 2030. And thats without targets, without without advance targets, without any ambition. Youre saying invest to so youre saying invest to save, is that what youre saying . Absolutely. Save, is that what youre saying . Trillion. ely. Save, is that what youre saying . Trillion. Mckinsey is 275 trillion. Mckinsey is saying at the current rate for the world going towards 2050. So theres massive amounts of money to and if you bring it to be made. And if you bring it forward, the investment cycle is shorter. The return on investment is quicker. We stop buying our solar panels from china. The second china. We make the Second Generation sell them generation here. We sell them back we see balance back to china. We see a balance of payments helps us. Of payments that helps us. What do you say then to and what do you say then to the fact that tony blair, who seems to be coming very much back into the political arena again, keir starmer, is again, behind keir starmer, is also raising questions about things ulez and net zero things like ulez and net zero for that fact as well. What do you make of all of that . Well, to be honest, i mean, i was very surprised with what tony blair said. I think he just bumped his head the head before he did the interview. I just interview. Actually, i just cant it was cant quite understand. It was later on. P p later on. Both know that tony you and i both know that tony blair is a man who likes to take the temperature and listen to whats going on. And he whats going on. And if he thinks damage keir thinks its going to damage keir starmer to be associated with ulez, probably ulez, i think hes probably waving an there. Right . Waving an alarm there. Right . To keir i think sort of to keir starmer, i think the number one thing is to show youve got leadership show leadership potential to show youve and youve got great integrity and to when the going gets tough to go say right, this may not go and say right, this may not be going be popular, but im going to explain to you why we need to do it. Im going to explain it so that people get it that people can get behind it and understand im a man of and understand that im a man of integrity. Actual integrity. In the actual election uxbridge, had the election in uxbridge, we had the problem the labour problem that the labour candidate from being candidate flipped from being anti ulez to throwing, being pro ulez anti ulez when all ulez to anti ulez when we all know labour know that currently the labour whip him to vote whip would require him to vote against the moment, i against it. At the moment, but i dont think that helped him. I reckon theres thousand reckon theres a thousand labour voters at home and voters who just sat at home and said i dont want to go said actually i dont want to go out and vote today. I might not vote conservative, but im just not because of that. Not bothering because of that. Talking yeah, and weve been talking about completely different about a completely different subject on this station subject all week on this station as know, banking. As you know, about banking. Are politically right. Are you politically exposed you know right. Are you politically exposed youre you know right. Are you politically exposed youre a you know right. Are you politically exposed youre a politically w whether youre a politically exposed person . Rung me up and my bank hasnt rung me up and said theyre cancelling my account or anything like that, i suspect. That im not in the you suspect that im not in the you know, the financial bracket that id in one of these most id be in one of these most exclusive that might look exclusive banks that might look at it a little more. So im at it a little bit more. So im an with an an ordinary person with an ordinary account. Oh, yes. Ordinary bank account. Oh, yes. Ive looked a little bit, ive looked on it a little bit, actually, with with worry on this. But i do this. Not personally, but i do think we shouldnt have think that we shouldnt have certainly in terms of the basic services and fact, it wasnt services and in fact, it wasnt the basic services that were being in case being cancelled. In the case of nigel farage. General nigel farage. But in general terms, i think banking should be open buti terms, i think banking should be open but i cannot open to everybody, but i cannot function now. Function at a bank now. Yeah, well, what i think nigel has done though, has been yeah, well, what i think n catalyst done though, has been yeah, well, what i think n catalyst do everybody has been yeah, well, what i think n catalyst do everybody else been a catalyst to everybody else coming saying, a catalyst to everybody else cwas|g saying, a catalyst to everybody else cwas denied saying, a catalyst to everybody else cwas denied a saying, a catalyst to everybody else cwas denied a banksaying, a catalyst to everybody else cwas denied a bank account for i was denied a bank account for no obvious so i think no obvious reason. So i think the is growing as opposed the story is growing as opposed to going away. And its been really to have really lovely to have a conversation with you today. Thanks in. Thats thanks for coming in. Thats fantastic. Gemmell, whos the fantastic. Ed gemmell, whos the leader the Climate Party leader of the Climate Party now after embry and after the break, paul embry and i will be debating the strike action thats causing misery for rail passengers. Action thats causing misery for railaassengers. Action thats causing misery for raila brighter s. Action thats causing misery for raila brighter outlook boxt a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. On. Gb news. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your latest gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. You might be hoping for a change of type in our weather over few days, but it over the next few days, but it is unfortunately looking to remain relatively unsettled. This area of pressure this area of low pressure throughout sunday is throughout the rest of sunday is going the going to be pushing in from the atlantic with weather atlantic with these weather fronts providing rain fronts already providing rain into some into southwest england. Some heavier bursts for wales, northern on into Northern Ireland later on into northern southeast Northern England, southeast england fairly damp england also turning fairly damp and well. The breeze and grey as well. The breeze will building particularly will be building particularly gusty coastal areas. Gusty along some coastal areas. The rain gradually pushing its way overnight, but way into scotland overnight, but the north of scotland should the far north of scotland should stay dry with some clear stay largely dry with some clear intervals and actually turning relatively chilly underneath those as those clear skies, down to as low as five degrees celsius in some villages. But some rural villages. But elsewhere a milder elsewhere itll be a much milder and humid to monday and humid start to monday morning. Outbreaks of rain still morning. Outbreaks of rain still continuing across the Channel Islands, Southern Coast of england. Brighter spells england. A few brighter spells trying to into the trying to develop into the afternoon, might actually afternoon, so might actually make a warmer on make it feel a touch warmer on monday to sunday for monday compared to sunday for parts wales, southwest parts of wales, southwest england, showers england, but still with showers around the rain that around at times, the rain that will progress its way into scotland , though will scotland, though it will probably feel rather probably make it feel rather cooler to sunday here. Cooler compared to sunday here. Temperatures ranging between 17 and 22 c. Some of those showers and 22 c. 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And rail passengers are face more disruption this weekend as members of the rmt union walked out once again. 14 Rail Companies were affected by the 24 hour walkout beginning yesterday morning, whilst aslef union was also take industrial action on monday. Meanwhile, more than 3000 workers at 16 councils in england and wales have also voted in favour of strike action over pay. Well, im joined now to discuss this by paul emery. Hes an author, fireman trade unionist and the unofficial holder of the title of gb news favourite leftie. Paul of gb news favourite leftie. Paul, really good to see you. Paul, really good to see you. This is just like old times on the political correction, isnt it . You and i discussed it. It . You and i discussed it. Just lovely to see you too, eileen. Yeah, you and i discussing strikes. I have a memory of us doing this back in the political correction. And were still talking about strikes. I mean, talking about strikes. I mean, this is holiday time, you this is holiday time, paul. You and know that people like and i both know that people like to and about on trains. To get out and about on trains. And is an attack on and this is an attack on families, isnt it. No, i mean, look , nobody no, i mean, look, nobody wants to take strike action. Im somebody whos taken strike action a number of times in my career. Its not something you ever want to do because, of course, as a worker, you lose money yourself when youre taking strike action. Youre also denying a service to your own family because, of course, your own family on course, your own family rely on the on the services that youre providing. But the truth is, eileen, that there are millions of workers in this country , rail of workers in this country, rail workers, Junior Doctors , council workers, Junior Doctors, council workers, Junior Doctors, council workers, teachers , people in the workers, teachers, people in the private sector who are seeing their real wages fall off a cliff , frankly, and are cliff, frankly, and are struggling to make ends meet. Theyre struggling to pay their mortgages and their energy bills. And i think, you know, for people to government or whoever to expect these people just to keep sucking it up, to just keep seeing their real wages falling and their Living Standards crashing is unreasonable. So crashing is unreasonable. So nobody likes taking strike action, but sometimes its necessary. And i think in the cases were seeing at the moment, it is certainly necessary. Well, the department of transport have put out a release saying that they put an offer to the unions, and unions should put that offer to their members to resolve the dispute. And i think the same point has been made by the rail delivery group, paul made by the rail delivery group, paul. Surely its the case that unions should put that offer to their members to try and get a breakthrough in of this. Breakthrough in all of this. Well i think its up to trade unions to decide how they deal with these issues internally. Ive been in situations where, as a trade Union Official , you receive an offer from management which frankly is so derisory , you know, and you feel derisory, you know, and you feel comfortable about rejecting it on behalf of your members because youre constantly consulting with your members. You know what their expectations are. And of course, if Union Officials are not representing their members, then they get kicked out at the ballot box. I detect nothing , arlene, to say detect nothing, arlene, to say that the rmt leadership is losing any sort of support among rank and file members. In fact, it seems to be one of the trade Union Leaderships in this country that enjoys most support, i think, from its rank and file members, which tells me that they are probably doing something but look, rmt something right. But look, rmt rmt members, i think, have got a legitimate claim. And as i said, the other people taking strike action across the Public Sector and private sector , they have and private sector, they have got legitimate claims because the truth is that the economy is fundamentally unbalanced. Were seeing some people still doing very nicely with some seeing some of our corporations recording record profits. You know, natwest recording huge mega billion profits despite its recent troubles. A couple of days ago, british gas director pay going upi days ago, british gas director pay going up, city bonuses going up. That i think is where our target should be. If were in the business of criticise paying people for being unreasonable, perhaps we be criticising perhaps we should be criticising some of those corporations and top. Top bosses. Well, certainly the british gas profits share was absolutely incredible and i think government should be looking at having discussions with them about to a of their about a rebate to a lot of their customers because people have had to pay so much over this past period of time. But anyway , im diverging off the issue. Council workers, of course, are now talking striking now talking about striking as well, paul, indeed some well, paul, and indeed some workers up in citizens advice in hull and east riding are going on strike tomorrow. This has a feel about it, paul, that its political and that its not just about the wages. Its not just about the wages. Its not just about the wages. Its not just about the conditions , as this is about the conditions, as this is about the conditions, as this is a tory government. Were going to make them suffer. So lets go out and strike. No, i dont accept that. And the reason i dont accept it, arlene, is because these days things in terms of trade union law is very different from the 1970s, for example, where a trade union leader can just say everybody out and everybody had to tools out. To down tools and walk out. Nowadays trade unions have to go through very , very rigorous through very, very rigorous procedures before they can get strike action off the ground. They have to have a secret ballot, a democratic postal ballot, a democratic postal ballot of all of their members. And it is those members who decide whether or not the trade union shall take strike action, not just the leadership. So i dont accept that all of these thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are currently involved wave of strike involved in this wave of strike action, of many of whom have never strike before, by never been on strike before, by the , have just woken up one the way, have just woken up one morning thought, well, we morning and thought, well, we dont the tories, dont dont like the tories, we dont like government and im like the tory government and im going labour in going to withdraw my labour in an attempt bring down the an attempt to bring down the tory government. What tory government. What theyre doing reacting doing is reacting to the Economic Situation thats confronting them. The cost of living fact theyre living crisis, the fact theyre finding to make finding it difficult to make ends thats why theyre ends meet. Thats why theyre taking action. These taking strike action. These people. Well, look, okay, paul, well, look, really to see again and really good to see you again and hopefully you soon as well. Hopefully see you soon as well. In a few minutes, ill be to talking jason evans, whose father thousands father was one of the thousands of of the contaminated of victims of the contaminated blood that, blood scandal. But before that, heres on latest heres an update on your latest News Headlines with ray allison i thanks, arlene. 1231 our top story, former home secretary Dame Priti Patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on, quote , lefty clamp down on, quote, lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. She says the attorney general and the lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave. Thats as the number of Channel Crossings continue to climb, with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year alone. Dame pretty warns that the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. Major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. Grant major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. Grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person. He accused the banks of going too far. It comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him have had their Bank Accounts forcibly closed. The Prime Minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. The scheme, neighbourhoods. The scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. In an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports peoples right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. The governments energy them. The governments Energy Security plans will be unveiled this week , aiming to power up this week, aiming to power up britain from britain. The Prime Minister and the Energy Security secretary are due to meet bosses from the uks oil and gas, renewable and nuclear industries. Theyre expected to reveal a raft of new investment plans driven in part by the need for Greater Energy independence since russias invasion of ukraine. In well, you can get more on all of those stories and more on all of those stories and more by visiting our website, gb news. Com. Now lets get straight news. Com. Now lets get straight back to dame arlene. Back to dame arlene. Thanks for that, ray. Well jason evans was just four years old when he lost his father, jonathan, who had been infected with hiv and hepatitis c while being treated for haemophilia. He was just one of thousands of victims of the scandal of contaminated blood clotting products used the united products used in the United Kingdom. Jason products used in the United Kingdom. Jason is now products used in the United Kingdom. Jason is now the kingdom. Jason is now the director and chair of the campaigning organisation factor it and the lead claimant in a legal action currently before the high and jason, im the high court. And jason, im delighted to say, joins me now live coventry. Jason lovely live from coventry. Jason lovely to have you on the programme. To have you on the programme. Um, this is obviously been a difficult week. Weve heard the difficult week. Weve heard the blood inquiry has been back in the news again. We heard from the news again. We heard from the chancellor, we heard from the chancellor, we heard from the Prime Minister. What the chancellor, we heard from the Prime Minister. What was the Prime Minister. What was your take on the wrap up of the inquiry . Inquiry . Yeah, good afternoon, arlene. Well it was certainly a disappointing week , i can say disappointing week, i can say that for sure. I mean , coming that for sure. I mean, coming into that week of hearings, victims and families, i think , victims and families, i think, had been hopeful that the government might at long last show their hand and tell us what recommendations learns from the inquiry. Theyre going to be accepting and what the timetable for implementation was going to be, or at least in principle, some reassurance that this this is going to happen. Some reassurance that this this is going to happen. And after is going to happen. And after listening , you know, through all listening, you know, through all of the witnesses, including, as you say there, the Prime Minister and the chancellor we didnt get anything close to that. And by the time those heanngs that. And by the time those hearings end , the disappointment hearings end, the disappointment was is massive. I sat in the heanng was is massive. I sat in the hearing room and in particular dunng hearing room and in particular during the Prime Ministers evidence, and you could just feel the tension. People left the hearing room , um, you know, the hearing room, um, you know, very upset in tears in some cases halfway through the evidence and yeah , not a good evidence and yeah, not a good week. Not a good week at all. Yeah. And this has been obviously a personal campaign for from your perspective because of the fact that you lost your father when you were very young. You wanted to try very young. You wanted to try and ensure that there was justice for that early death of your father and indeed for many others across the whole of the United Kingdom. And the inquiry, when it was set up, what were your hopes for the inquiry . It your hopes for the inquiry . It was up by the former prime was set up by the former Prime Minister theresa what were minister theresa may. What were your hopes for inquiry at your hopes for the inquiry at that time . Um, well, your hopes for the inquiry at that time . Um, well , the very that time . Um, well, the very reason that factor eight was set up as a Campaign Group to begin with was to try and obtain a pubuc with was to try and obtain a public inquiry. That was our only goal really, at that time. And the really, at that time. And the reason was because going all the way back, you know, to 1990 and even before that, the governments position had been in relation to compensation. In relation to compensation. What this weeks hearings have focussed on was that as a principle we do not pay compensation unless there is fault on the part of the government, unless there is liability. And that question of liability. And that question of liability. And that question of liability in relation to infected blood products had always been outstanding. And so always been outstanding. And so over the decades when for many people, including my own father, had campaigned for kompany nation, that was always the fallback position. And so when fallback position. And so when factor eight began, our position was okay, lets go for this liability point once and for all. Lets go for this. Prove unequivocally there was fault once and for all. And the important thing now is that as of april, the inquiry ari has published its final recommendations in relation to compensation, saying there was fault and that wrongdoing had been done on an individual and systemic and collective level. So weve done weve gone through six years of doing what the government had told us to do to establish english wrongdoing. Now having done that, theyre still dragging their heels on compensation. Compensation. And the inquiry has taken you no doubt. And all of the other families on a journey where you can tell your story about what happenedin can tell your story about what happened in individual cases for you. Jason i suppose now you have to wait for the government to react to the inquiry and youre saying that they should have already done that because the inquiry has it clear the inquiry has made it clear that there was fault and there should clearly should be compensation. Clearly you cant back away now until thatissue you cant back away now until that issue is dealt with. That issue is dealt with. Thats thats correct. I think not just in light of the final compensation recommendations of the inquiry, but also the evidence that weve all sat and read and listened to over these last years. And in over these last years. And in particular, you know, i wanted to mention just last night, i was speaking to another campaigner and we talked about what is now kind of an infamous document that the inquiry was able to obtain in in relation to one of the pharmacy vertical companies , immuno ag, which companies, immuno ag, which managed captured a blood product called cryoballoon. And theres called cryoballoon. And theres an extract from from a letter and this was back in 1976 where in relation to this blood product, cryoballoon, the company says that the british market will accept a higher risk of hepatitis for a lower priced product. And i think really that product. And i think really that document is one of many that just kind of encapsulate thats why this is a scandal that it wasnt some unfortunate accident that this is a real scandal, this is profits before lives in the truest sense. Yes and no. We the truest sense. Yes and no. We cant back away now. Weve come too far. And i think what really is important in the progress that weve made is the narrative has totally changed because for too many decades , governments of too many decades, governments of all parties said that nothing wrong had happened here. Rishi sunak when he gave evidence on wednesday, he said that we had been, quote, lied to for decades. So im glad that its now accepted. Not only was this a scandal , but accepted. Not only was this a scandal, but also accepted. Not only was this a scandal , but also there was scandal, but also there was a cover up. Even the government now accepts that, which i think only raises further questions for the victims of why are we still waiting when its accepted there was wrongdoing , its there was wrongdoing, its accepted. There was a cover up. Accepted. There was a cover up. And now what needs to happen is, is that some form of resolution, some form of justice and closure takes place for all those infected and families as well. Jason, i want to thank you so much for coming on the show today and telling us about your journey and i want to wish you well for the future as well. So thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you so much for coming on today. Jason evans there, who today. Jason evans there, who has been battling around the infected blood scandal after he lost his father when he was just four years old. Well now after the break, guess whos back . The break, guess whos back . Former Prime Minister sir tony blair made some surprising remarks on net zero this week. Ill discuss all of that with chief political commentator for the independent john renton, next. We welcome back for the end of the show show, as i call it. Well we started this hour looking at the issue of ulez and net zero and a surprising intervention on the subject came from former Prime Minister tony blair, who warned against asking the public to do, quote, huge amount to achieve net zero when the carbon output of countries like would any progress we like china would any progress we make. Does it point to potential differences of opinion in the labour party over how to address Climate Change . Well, to discuss this, im joined by chief political commentator for the independent, rentoul. And independent, john rentoul. And im back to the im also welcoming back to the studio news senior political studio gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. John really good to see you. And what did you make of this intervention . Hi there. What did intervention . Hi there. What did you make of this intervention by tony i mean, nigel nelson tony blair . I mean, nigel nelson was saying it appears that some people in the labour party are becoming a bit wobbly on Climate Change. Well i mean, tony blair knows what hes talking about. I mean, he actually did make Climate Change a big issue when he was Prime Minister and he he thought about, i think , spending thought about, i think, spending quite a lot of his Prime Ministerial time on on the issue. But hes gone quiet since. And yes, it was a surprise to have him pop up and point out that , you know, we could we can that, you know, we could we can make all the efforts we like in this country, but our you know, chinas growth in emissions can the entire british output of Global Warming gases in just one yeah yeah. And the fact that he is now coming back on the stage , now coming back on the stage, john, is quite significant, isnt it . I mean, is he trying isnt it . I mean, is he trying to be the ideas person behind keir starmer, do you think . Keir starmer, do you think . Well , hes keir starmer, do you think . Well, hes hes succeeding. I think, i mean, keir starmer ought to listen to him and hes listening to him. I mean, hed be mad not to, you know, this is. This is labours most successful ever Prime Minister our three time election winner. I mean, if keir starmer didnt listen to him, then he would need his head examining. But tony has also set up this tony blair has also set up this institute, which is which is producing really high quality and useful work for any government that wants to pick it up. And you know, keir starmer ought to make sure he gets there first. But the Climate Change issue is fascinating because it divides both parties. Weve the tories at odds weve seen the tories at odds on it too, because it is a very, very big issue. How do you get to net zero and how much is it going to cost . Yeah. And nigel joins us again. Nigel nelson i mean, youve heard what john said there about starmer would be mad not to listen to. Absolutely. Tony blair you would agree with that . I would indeed. I would indeed. Yeah. I mean, i think that the important thing here is its not just about asking tony blair how win elections. Its also how to win elections. Its also about avoiding the mistakes. New labour made. So its things like labour made. So its things like i mean, you know, tony blairs pledge card from 97, that famous pledge card from 97, that famous pledge card from 97, that famous pledge card was hugely successful. He did cut class successful. He did cut class sizes to under 30. He sorted out the economy. Debt was 40. Its now 100. But he got 250,000 under 25 off benefits into work. And 100,000 off nhs waiting lists and then realised he made a mistake because it wasnt about getting people off the waiting list. It was about waiting list. It was about getting waiting times down. Yes. So he then changed that , that so he then changed that, that and so 18 month waits became 18 week waits and so i think its things like show ring. Keir starmer watch out for targets because if you measure yourself against a target , they may not against a target, they may not work. Another one was four hours. A four hour wait in a e hospitals got round that by simply moving people out of a e before the four hours were up there were still sick. They hadnt there were still sick. They hadnt been treated so its things like theyre targets , but things like theyre targets, but they met the target. They got a 96 success rate. But the target didnt tell the full story. So didnt tell the full story. So its that kind of advice that tony blair can give to keir starmer. And i think that, as starmer. And i think that, as john says , hed be mad not to john says, hed be mad not to listen to it. Listen to it. And john, its interesting, isnt it . When nigel mentioned the pledge card there, thought the pledge card there, i thought he going to talk the he was going to talk about the fact blair used fact that tony blair used a pledge Northern Ireland pledge card in Northern Ireland after the belfast agreement and he made pledges then. So its something that he used again and again. So. But is that a 90s phenomenon or how can he now really give strength and depth to keir starmer well, i mean i think nigel put his finger on it there. I mean actually the pledge card turned out, i mean it was a very good device for, for, for electioneering , but it wasnt a electioneering, but it wasnt a very good guide necessarily to governing and, you know, tony blair describes in his memoirs how he how he sort of looked at it once he was Prime Minister and scratched his head and said, what is that . It . And actually turned it . And actually know turned out to very modest. And out to be very modest. And actually, of targets actually, some of the targets werent werent quite right. But werent werent quite right. But what hes focusing on what so what hes focusing on now is what governments ought to be doing rather than rather than how campaign to win elections how to campaign to win elections. Because, you know,. Because, i mean, you know, that thats you know, he he revolutionised that as as new labour and a lot of those lessons have been learned. The tories are copying it, too. Youve got rishi sunak 5 5 promises here. For example , promises here. For example, which are a sort of pledge card style operation. But i think style operation. But i think tony blair is much more interested in in government and policy and staying ahead of the game on that. And thats why he banged on about technology and Artificial Intelligence so much i and tommy john, were you surprised to hear sir keir starmer say this week when he was asked the question , what is was asked the question, what is a woman . He was able to say an aduu a woman . He was able to say an Adult Human Female . Were you surprised that hed changed on that . I was very pleased, yes. Yeah. You know, hes this is blairism for slow learners and you know, i welcome it. I was i was very, very worried when keir starmer was elected leader because the platform he stood on, i thought was was mumbo jumbo. Platform he stood on, i thought was was mumbo jumbo. And i was was mumbo jumbo. And i didnt know where he really stood. And i still dont, to be honest. But i mean, if hes if hes saying the right things, then thats half the battle. And then thats half the battle. And you the labour partys you know, the labour partys position on the trans position on, on on the trans issue was all over the place. And keir starmer, i thought got it completely wrong. Hes now it completely wrong. Hes now hes in a much more hes now in a much more sensible, sensible place realising that, you know, youve got to respect everybodys rights and that includes the rights and that includes the rights of women to women rights of, of women to women only spaces. Yeah yeah. And nigel, did you see that as a moment . Because there had been a lot of confusion around labours position in all of this. And i mean following social media and looking at all of the different positions which labour had taken on the trans issue, he seems now to have given clarity, at least from his point of view, in relation to that issue. Yes, i think its been been been going step by step, he was caught out initially when he was asked woman penis asked can a woman have a penis and wasnt to answer that and wasnt able to answer that question. Hes now thought question. And hes now thought it through. I think one of the problems that for mps, this problems is that for mps, this is issue. It doesnt is not a major issue. It doesnt seem on the doorstep seem to come up on the doorstep very the whole issue very much. The whole woke issue is very low down on peoples worries. Keir starmer worries. But keir starmer clearly to get to a policy clearly had to get to a policy and on the basis that he will have still have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you can change gender, that seems sensible. He seems to want to protect women , women only spaces protect women, women only spaces that seems sensible. I think hes getting there and probably in government he will need to have another look at the gender, gender recognition act to try and get an awful lot of things that have happened since then, since 2004, when it came in and get them right. Yeah. And so finally, john, do you think he is looking more and more like a our next Prime Minister, sir keir starmer . That is. Is. Well, i think hes done an absolutely remarkable job. I mean, i, i was among many who underestimated him. I mean, hes been helped. It has to be said, by the conservatives hes doing the best they can to trash their reputation. I mean, the whole liz truss episode which which i thought, you know, they could put behind them because, you know, rishi sunak was so obviously the right answer in the first place. And once they got him in, he did put he did put right. All the things that liz truss got wrong. And she was only there for seven weeks after all. But id underestimated the damage that that has done to the to reputation of the to the reputation of the conservatives for competence and it does seem to have it really does seem to have destroyed it. So all keir starmer has to do is look reasonably competent, competent at and, and ask tony blair what to do. And as long as he does those two things, then i think hes hes heading for a heading for victory. There you are. The recipe for success s which is there. Thanks, john. Thanks so much for coming on the show and joining us. And thanks obviously to nigel as well for being with me today. Well thats it for this week. But emily carver is coming up in a few minutes. Emily, tell me what youve got planned. I want to dig into all this green related news. So weve seen rishi sunak. Hes announcing a review into low traffic neighbourhoods , so well traffic neighbourhoods, so well be getting stuck into that. Is that a good idea . Do you trust him . Do you trust the Prime Minister that he is on the side of drivers . Would you like him to go a little bit further and perhaps review net zero altogether . Well be debating that. And also im stuck into the im to going get stuck into the latest royal news as well. There seems to be of trouble in seems to be a bit of trouble in paradise in montecito, too. So well find whats going on there. Thanks so much, emily. And its great to been here this week. Thank you to all my guests for being with me. Michael will be back next sunday and ill see you all very soon. 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The breeze will building, particularly will be building, particularly gusty coastal areas. Gusty along some coastal areas. The rain gradually pushing its way scotland overnight, but way into scotland overnight, but the far north scotland should the far north of scotland should stay some clear stay largely dry with some clear intervals turning intervals and actually turning relatively underneath relatively chilly underneath those skies, down to those clear skies, down to as low as five degrees celsius in some rural villages. But some rural villages. But elsewhere will be a elsewhere it will be a much milder humid to monday milder and humid start to monday morning. Outbreaks of rain still morning. Outbreaks of rain still continuing across the channel morning. Outbreaks of rain still continui|southern the channel morning. Outbreaks of rain still continui|Southern Coasthannel morning. Outbreaks of rain still continui|Southern Coast of1nel islands, Southern Coast of england and a few brighter spells trying to develop into the might actually the afternoon so might actually make warmer on make it feel a touch warmer on monday compared sunday monday compared to sunday for parts southwest parts of wales southwest england, but still with showers around at the rain that around at times, the rain that will progress its way into scotland, though will scotland, though it will probably make it feel rather cooler compared to sunday here. Temperatures 17 temperatures ranging between 17 and 22 c. Some of those showers and 22 c. Some of those showers and outbreaks of rain will still be lingering. First thing on tuesday morning. Potentially quite heavy for of wales, quite heavy for parts of wales, southern thing, southern england, first thing, but , sunnier but a few brighter, sunnier spells trying to spells once again, trying to develop there. So a bit more develop in there. So a bit more sunshine compared in sunshine compared to monday in general, further wet and general, but further wet and windy is on the cards, windy weather is on the cards, particularly head towards particularly as we head towards wednesday. Enjoy the rest of your bye. Your day. Bye bye. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Im andrew doyle. Join me at 7 00 every sunday night for free speech nation. The show right tackle the weeks biggest stories in politics and current affairs. With help of my two affairs. With the help of my two comedian panellists and a variety of special guests. Speech nation sunday free speech nation sunday nights from seven on gb news the peoples channel, britains news hes on the side of drivers announcing a review of the rollout of controversial low traffic neighbourhoods. Is he on traffic neighbourhoods. 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