good afternoon everybody i'm martha maccallum and this is the story. this is the heartbreaking story of the day. this little girl, "12-year-old jocelyn nungaray was found dead in a houston creek. we know that the cause of death was strangulation of this poor child. these are the men who were charged. their venezuelan enter in the country illegally. you are about to hear jocelyn's mother alexis on what's been taken from her. she said she was a teen mom herself and fought to keep jocelyn and she fought to raise her and now she says she's fighting fighting her for her daughter again. >> she was amazing. i still see her face in the back of my head every day all day. keep getting little signs about her, her dorky and is accurate quirkiness. she definitely maid people laugh. you know, these monsters took the opportunity from her and from our family watching her she is still my firstborn i was a teen mom i fought for her. twenty-seven though still fighting for her and i just remember she was a very special little girl. she deserves her justice. >> martha: indeed. she deserves her chest as per your poor mom spoke so beautifully today about her daughter. i don't know how some of these parents can even stand up and articulate words having gone through what you just did. but i give her a lot of credit. harrison faulkner entrances this morning -- i mean this afternoon. but first nate foy lived and set the court in houston with the latest on the legal front. hey nate. >> reporter: hey martha. so jocelyn nungaray's family expressed some relief when the judge set bail for franklin jose pena ramos at $10 million. one of the 20 '08 legal venezuelan migrants charged with murdering the 12-year-old girl. prosecutors plan to ask for the second bail about to be the same for the second suspect more. they describe the mic and slight risk at astronomical. we also learn more disturbing details about what prosecutors allege chapman they say after the murder peña and his codefendant approach their boss at their construction shop and asked for money to leaked on. prosecutors also say pain, yeah, where soaring an ace gps ankle monitor during the murder and got that one border actual agents arrested and released peña three weeks before the murder. a district attorney and said prosecutors are waiting on test results before deciding if this is a death penalty case. >> should those tests produce evidence that would support a charge of sexual assault or should other evidence be brought forward that supports charge of kidnapping, both underlying defences would make this capital murder and these individuals death penalty eligible. >> peña is codefendant johan jose rangel martinez will appear in court tomorrow two days before johnson's funeral. here's a bit more of what she said earlier. >> she had such a bright future ahead of her and i knew she was going to go very far. i know she is going to make a difference for this world for all children and now it's my job to make sure it continues to happen. >> reporter: it is heartbreaking. today in court prosecutors say peña admitted to kissing jocelyn while claiming his codefendant was more physically aggressive with her in the most vile and disturbing ways. we will send it back to you martha. >> martha: monsters is the only word for these people. when i look at their faces and this little girl blowing out the candles on her birthday cake. nate thank you ray much for joining us this afternoon. what a story. the cnn presidential debate is now three days away. the border is of course expected to be a hot issue especially given the threats that some of these individuals are representing here in this country. here's a bit of a report card for both candidates. 7.8 million border encounters under biden and 2.4 under trump. these are the known cutaways. 1.8 million under biden and babbage are trying thousand under trump. bill jones is now, hello bill. >> hey martha both trump and biden are coming into this debate with essentially polar opposite positions on illegal immigration trump has said he wants mass deportations and biden was to expand pathways to citizenship for some illegal aliens. but the bottom line is for more than three years now americans have been watching stunning fox news images that really show the chaos that's being taken place at the southern border. illegal crossings have surged to the highest levels of recorded history. the last three years enteral. the border crisis also enriching cartels. the human smuggling operations estimated to bring in billions of dollars each and every year oftentimes martha you've seen this those massive smuggling's take place in broad daylight right in front of our cameras. some republican voters tell fox the border the border is a priority topic for them. >> and waiting for the next is esther to happen in this country. >> open borders is horrible. child sex trafficking, the jogs, also innovation and so forth. >> president biden has been grappling with the progressive wing of the democratic party that was angered by his recent executive order to curb a salmon to some illegal answers per trump is feeling criticism from the right after he pitched getting green cards to college grads last week. take a listen. >> but i want to, if you graduate from a college i think you should get automatically as part of your diploma green card to be able to stay in this country. >> every nation must secure its borders. trump and republicans wouldn't do it, working with me i would do it on my own. i did. >> in response to trump's green card idea he got criticism as the campaign pushing back saying they would thoroughly that the college they give it to and wood exclude all communist, hamas supporters, america haters and public charges. send it back to you. >> martha: okay thank you. with that we bring in hairs faulkner cohost of outnumbered. harris grey to heavy with with us this afternoon. you've covered this hearing live earlier today and it's an absolutely heartbreaking situation which is part of a much larger picture you're covering closely as well. >> yes look no further than this case and you know what is at stake for both of these presidential candidates thursday night. it's trump sporter policies versus biden sporter politics. if you want to know just how deep the politics go though to the fact that even his department of homeland security secretary couldn't speak of one victim in name. we have had enough of these situations that i would imagine we are at a tipping point. biden will have to do more than just blame republicans. i don't know what thursday night will look like but on this monday, back court oh my goodness they saw that mono so break before the microphones today sitting feet away from one of the monsters who took her little girl i mean that's an american mother up against someone who never should have been allowed in this country. they were illegal border crossers, both of them. the law will look and sea if they create committed rape and murder that would make this capital and lead to the possibility or eligibility for death penalty. but make no mistake about it they were criminals before they touched that child. somebody between the two of them, someone is telling them work against each other no. effect to testify against each other. i don't know who made the decision to put her body naked waist down and the water and destroy evidence potentially. >> yeah, i mean the fact he had an ice bracelet on is not going to give anyone any more confidence because obviously that was not working. one of them called their boss and said i need money to get out of town. someone got hurt and someone died. but thankfully he was caught before that happened. the narrative you speak to harris with this immigration issue will hear about it the debate pressure thursday night, it's not working in terms of the way democrats have been trying to presented. here's elizabeth warren yesterday. watch. >> 6.9 million apprehensions at the southern border thus far and biden's term. just over 2 million in donald trump's entire term. president biden asked congress both further resources and a comprehensive immigration reform. the republicans blocked it, block to cop blocked it. >> donald trump didn't have that either senator. and they were 2 million. >> martha: that's becoming a bit of a brick wall itself. >> i mean you've got a reporter martha did a great show up with that interview, facts on her side and elizabeth horn who's got fiction on hers. maybe she didn't dig deep enough to know when martha said what is president biden doing wrong and elizabeth warren says this is not about what the president did wrong, i mean she clearly doesn't know the facts here, she doesn't understand that when you have polar toast pearl in place that's like telling whoever is coming across and we know there are some terrorists and colours coming across with the people who want to be in this country for the right reasons but the doors so wide open and everybody gets in, most of the weekend that. is she not wise about the fact that while he not vetting these people they get to go on who they were in the country as their war criminals potentially. >> absolutely. it so interesting because i look back at the immigration discussion from 2020 and it was all about separating of families. was an argument that was maid against trump that he separated families. the first thing biden did when he got in, you know, reverse maid in mexico, reverse catch and release. now we are on the opposite side of that whole thing thursday night harris at totally different place with this conversation and the president is not truthful when he says there's nothing he can do. alright let's pretend taught thanks are opposite can future let's listen to biden and say there's nothing you can do we believe you. and for political reasons why on the state of the union did he say he might do an executive order action and then go and do on a couple its go. albeit he's tried to please everybody to retake that seat. so his answer is deposit is. he talks out of both sides of his mouth and makes the situation worse. when you look at the border the numbers proved more people are coming across. i mean they are coming across at different points though. texas is closing its border down as much as i can and he fought them on that. >> lets hope they get to these issues. >> every hope so. because, you know, there were things that president biden did on day one to undo what was in there on purpose so it's obviously clear he has a lot of leverage to pull on this issue. but it will be a fascinating to watch this will all be watching. >> i'll be watching bread and you after a. >> thank you great to be with you so much fruit they queue for sticking around this afternoon such a treat to have you. thank you harris faulkner the host of the faulkner show. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up two stories breaking right now special counsel jack 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who is a father and son and also a husband's late 31 years old. he did not come home from his shift in the night. 's family is asking for privacy as the community asks for prayers. here's what we know. >> what weekend it do is pray and make sure that those in the healthcare system have everything they need to be able to treat the officer. >> reporter: police arrested and charged ramon rodriguez vasquez you can see him handcuffed on the ground after investigators say he shot and critically wounded a police officer in philadelphia. investigators say he fired his gun three times as he ran from the seen. spotted there and the video from nbc philadelphia. that is in the kensington area one of the roughest in philadelphia. he has a gun and his hand you can see. officers were going to tow his car because he didn't have a license or paperwork. then the police spotted him in that car and also found a gun holster on the seat so he ran away at later try to carjack whichever and broke into a nearby home. he is facing several charges including attempted murder, frederick -- burglary and aggravated assault. around the time the officer was shot, former president trump was speaking at a rally in philadelphia where she talked about major crime. back here in philadelphia officials say there is a drop in crime but when you talk to voters it's one of their top priorities not only a philadelphia but across the country. they were interested in hearing what trump would do and also he call that larry krasner to step down. martha. >> martha: alexis thank you very much. from philadelphia today. and former president trump continues to campaign and typically blue cities in an attempt to win over urban voters. a big rally this weekend in philadelphia and the presidential race could very well come down to pennsylvania. >> we need you're help five months from now we are going to win this commonwealth and a fixed crooked joe biden from the white house. and we are going to make america great again. >> martha: gina caldwell next (bell ringing) someone needs to customize and save hundreds with liberty mutual! 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[music playing] aoc is animated again so let's listen for two seconds neck and support and to tell the story of what's at stake bring people into that bite because this race. but behind you and all around us this race will come down to people behind each and every one of those windows believing that they matter and believing their vote matters and their decision matters and. >> martha: okay a tight race. of course members of congress joining every couple years he saw her over the weekend we will talk about this and a few minutes with jamaal bulman who is raising a stool backup are still in there and swing it around. she was dancing all over the stage with some risky lyrics so we will dig into that and a moment but i want to show you that, that was live as she continues to campaign in a vary challenging environment for her at bowman. former president trump campaigning end of the glue city, this time in a battleground statement be the most important one. holding a rally saturday in philadelphia. one month after his event and the south bronx. alexis mcadams spoke with the former president at the rally in philadelphia, watch. >> when you go to these urban areas or his puppet -- specifically what's the game plan, when you going to philly or the bronx wants the pine creek. >> it's not a game plan is just a lot of love. the one hope. there is no hopeful with this guide biden he's the worst president we've ever had there is no hope. i say it all the time now, a week ago i started i didn't realize it i'm saying that people need hope. i go out and i see the greatest people. we are and are pretty rough area and it's a lovefest easy that. it's incredible. they won hope they want to future big listen to the people. these are not people who would normally be going wild. it's been amazing. >> martha: fox news political analyst jeana caldwell is a two years ago today is 18-year-old brother christian was shot and killed in chicago and now watching the caldwell institute for public safety dedicated to ensuring a justice system that prioritizes the safety and security of all raw abiding citizens. we know this is a difficult day for you it's hard to believe it's been two years. seems like yesterday to us so i can only imagine how quickly it's gone for you. when you watch these stories we are covering now this 12-year-old girl, you certainly can 7000 with these families. >> absolutely in right off the bat thank you martha. toy years ago you reached out to me immediately to give you're condolences to my family. i've got to tell you the reason i launch the caldwell institute for public safety is because i'm sick and tired of what i've seen go on in this country. we work in the news business so we cover these stories but they've been so much more frequent these last several years and we know why, a person by the name of george soros had invested millions to reshape the judicial system and these progressive prosecutors who discharged some kids who beat up an older couple that was downtown chicago, one pregnant masturbate -- baby misdemeanour's. that's what she's doing misdemeanours. meanwhile someone through something on her and -- a big gulp and they charged them with two felonies. innocent people are receiving the bad and and that must change. onto my doing with the caldwell institute for public safety? acra and people like the former attorney general of florida and dr drew pinsky who is help me with mental health and my cousin and dan clerk a former prosecutor. joel fitzgerald of current police chief and his son was at a temple university police officer who is murdered. many other folks from the white house and other places but we need to change the direction of this country and i encourage people to go to caldwell institute.org so we can continue this warrants people we encourage that as well. caldwell institute.org, you know, it's interesting former president trump is really trying to persuade voters in urban areas that he can write a safer environment. that's obviously problematic her biden and harris. kamala harris is said this morning basically up had suggested his indictments maid people in certain urban communities relate to him better , you know, you could talk about the context of that statement but here she is responding to that watch. >> it's insulting. for a number of reasons including he is reduced to whole population of people down to a sum total to what is in his mind is who they are and he is wrong. and he is wrong. >> martha: so is that going to work with what matters to people in urban areas that push back we. >> i don't think so because i know there are folks so spoken to who said this feels familiar, this feels like the justice system not being there for them is what i heard. do i agree with that sentiment it's up for other people to decide. i've got to tell you him going to these communities and places where republicans don't necessarily go i think is to integrate justice for his campaign. black folks never had real experiences with republicans and many of them have not met a republican in real life. the fact he's going and saying i understand you're concerns i know you're scared to go on at night. end of the people in your local jurisdiction are not taking your view and have lied to you for over 50 years about what they're willing to do because you're communities in shambles. education system bad. economic situation bad emma kratz what do you have? to say somebody is racist? that doesn't get it. that dog won't hunt anymore that's what we need to change the trajectory. i believe donald trump should be the next president and i believe he can bring this country back on to its feet because we've been losing out with joe biden as president, conservatives and independents and democrats know it. we all know it. i am hopeful he will continue with the crime message because it resonates and certainly for me public safety we're going to be doing the work so please go there and please follow me in social media. >> martha: we encourage that in our condolences to family again. i thing it's always interesting in campaigns to watch where the candidates are going, where they spending their time and money. last time around it was in rural areas the trump team went to and they said the same to know whatever comes here. known campaigns here. >> that's true. >> martha: now it's urban areas. now we will sea. we are watching every step of the way good to see you. inc. you for the work you're doing. so, lawyers for former president donald trump and special counsel jack smith facing off in court today in the classified documents case be a prosecutors asking the judge for another gag order in this case as well. because of what they call balls and inflammatory language from the former president. the trump team defending what they call constitutionally protected campaign speech. national correspondent jeff paul reports on this live from the courthouse in fort pierce florida. hello jeff. >> reporter: hey martha. court just resumed a few minutes ago here in fort pierce florida. most of the beginning part of the day focused on special counsel jack smith who is actually and a source of funding. but no returns to the prosecution bringing up this motion regarding a potential limited gag order on the former president. this all goes back to some language the former president used shortly after the fbi carried out the search warrant in palm beach in august 2022. the former president made comments on social media that the doj authorized the fbi to use deadly legal force. trump also said in a fundraising e-mail that biden doj was locked and loaded and ready to take me i put my family in danger. prosecutors say the statement is not only false but endangers the lives of law enforcement. a former deputy assistant general says the language used in the search warrant for trump was pretty standard protocol. >> similar if not identical language appeared in the search warrant that the fbi executed when they looked into president biden's home in delaware. so i do not think it is accurate to suggest the fbi came with the attempt to assassinate president trump. i don't think that is accurate. >> reporter: so now you're standing buy to see if any sort of decisions come today from judge eileen cannon. martha. >> martha: thank you bring much jeff. as we mentioned a live lease seen -- lively scene bringing some serious heat to the bronx this weekend here's a a bit of that. 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i dove that will alleviate the problem but what do you see a worker centric? >> more government money to solve a problem what could go wrong? that's how we got here weekly the inflation crisis we are all living through. when you see the sky high prices for hundred thousand dollars dollars the median price tag on an american home this is becoming more and more unaffordable for americans out there. thank about what goes into buying a house, let's not forget you got to save for that doubt payment jeff just said how hard that's been with the uncertainty of inflation -- down payment. you're saving for everything we know if the prices have gone a. you are able to save us. people have about a harder time getting together that down payment. when it comes to going out and getting the loan when you do have the down payment you know you are paying higher interest rates today then you have been years in this country. that's making it unaffordable and difficult for people to get in these houses. home insurance has gone up, taxes have gone a. let alone if you try to get into a new house or new home built, skilled labour is hard to find, if you do it's expensive. the raw materials and commodity prices are through the roof, also record highs. is the perfect storm out there for this affordability crisis as larry likes to call it. but also look at the demographic in the united states today having just read through detailed golden sax report you're looking at the average demo in the u.s. right now, the largest demo, 30 to 39 years old. that's why life is happening, that's when you're getting married and you're having babies and trying to buy your first home. and it says, the age-old question is a cheaper to rent or buy? they answered in the recent note its cheaper to rent right now. so there is the sort of narrative out there that wall street is gobbling up all the houses putting the squeeze on the market. a careful with wall street being scapegoated. they see the demand for the renters, renters. those folks who don't want to take in the sky have mortgage and they want to rent or are choosing to rent or need to rent so in some cases there just meeting that demand. that is really important, but there is this lock and affect happening. historically your starter home you trade up and you want to go down the street, it can't do that right now without paying a whole lot more. people are always saying to me like a much my home value is it's like twice but it paid for it however if you want to get out of the house and to a new one you'll take on another mortgage if you are paying cash on another mortgage that's much more expensive with those higher interest rates. so it is tough you are sort of locked-in and its further putting his skis on the available inventory and thus you have these high prices. again i keep stating it didn't just happen, these are the effects. >> martha: money thrown into the market, inflation followed and we are still working that through. interest rates are still high and as you point out this is another government program that is putting more money out into the market that could claw back covid-19 money. quickly, kamala harris is trying to fend off some of these complaints about what's going on and here she is this morning. >> there are certainly some other issues that we need to deal with. part of the second term agenda starting now is again what we've got to do and getting under control the housing praise. both in terms of portability to be able to buy a house and in rent. >> martha: a second term they will get to that how people afford their everyday thanks so they can save more. that has to be a just and it's the bottom line. you got to get grocery prices down, gas prices are still 4050% get those prices down and people would be able to save more. >> you need to give people the ability to put some away every mother people don't have that right now. >> martha: thank you for coming on this afternoon sandra see you tomorrow afternoon at america reports. breaking moments ago hunter biden is asking for a new trial, a jury convicted him on all three charges and his federal gun case for lying about his drug use on afford to buy a weapon. now his attorney says the court has no jurisdiction over that trial because an appeals court has not issued orders related to previous ruling. so far no response from prosecutors but you see what is happening, we see all around in these cases on all sides, they're just trying to get motions and appeals and slow these things down and move them into different venues. we will see what happens with the hunter biting case. in the meantime, what happened in this outpost this weekend as jamaal bulman who was set up a fire alarm at the capital is now explaining why his foul language alongside aoc this weekend. he says is absolutely necessary. >> people asked me why have got a foul mouth. what am i supposed to do? you're coming after me character coming after my family. you coming after my children. and not supposed to fight back? not supposed to fight back? we gotta show them who the [ bleep ] we are. [ cheering ] >> martha: y okay bowman currently trails former fellow democrat in the race that we'll be held tomorrow. i can sense some desperation here he is way behind. our political panel next veterans, need money for major home repairs? why not think outside a bank? get up to $70,000 with a newday 100 va cash out loan. it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer and happier life. the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. prime minister -- congressman bow and you want to apologize for coasting over the weekend? do you want to apologize for any profanity over the weekend? congressman. >> martha: we will take that as an au pair jamaal bowman moments ago after dropping after balm set a campaign rally over the weekend and weaving is still in the air at one point for the new york democrat pleaded guilty last year to pulling a fire alarm on capitol hill claiming it was a mistake as he was rushing to get to a vote. at the time democrats are trying to delay that vote. here he is now. tomorrow is the primary election day in this race and here is congressman bowman at saturday's race in the bronx. >> weekly. [ cheering ] >> the power of the [ bleep ] bronx. [ cheering ] >> supposed to fight back? we're going to show them who the [ bleep ] we are! [ cheering ] >> martha: that's one way to do it. let's bring in former utah republic congressman and oversight committee chairman now fox news contributor and david former state senator paid to have both of you with a spirit david let me start with you. what do you think he is trying to achieve here over this weekend with this appearance? >> i think at desperate times call for desperate measures that's really what you see here. when a candidate gets flustered and frustrated and desperate they start using antics like that. yes i think at rallies some people obviously hard-core based and excited when using that type of language. it shows that passion period something jamaal bowman is really known for but it's unfortunate. i mean if you know or meet him he is a pleasant guy advice in person. and this is not the characteristic you would want to portray. but the big problem is he is running against george latimer. candidates are usually running against yourselves in a race like this but he is also cooked to face george latimer was also popular. over 80% of the district and westchester is supposed to the bronx. he's got some problems going into tomorrow. >> it's an interesting district with different constituencies obviously in different parts like all of them. george latimer obviously sees it as an opportunity. so he came out and said this. watch. >> i think there's been a lot of criticism while debt made by my opponent which is unfair and accurate but i think i get very -- i don't get to lose my temper and have the right to carry on a certainly. it's must-see tv that's for sure. >> martha: ross ctv, chasing you're take? >> that political rally is a little different then the political rallies we have in utah i can tell you that. i get concerned about the messaging with the messaging there because he is railing against the american policy advisory committee. what you don't hear congressman bowman talking about is america. you don't hear him talking about the idea that we have hostages being held by hamas. that's what you don't hear from the progressives. what you hear about is anti- israeli sentiment and that is what is so deeply concerning. >> martha: you know, it's interesting, bill mar over the weekend was talking about the attempts president biden has made to sort of choate two different constituencies to strengthen his support among black voters et cetera. here's what mar had to say about the effort is going. >> he said what does democracy have to be ten times better than anyone to get a shot. it seem like pandering to me. black voters under 15. he led by 80 points in 2020 and now by 37. still a lot but you've lost 43 points. off the key constituency. >> martha: david does he make a good point? >> he makes a point but i thank the other point you have to realize is that many people are just not involved in this election right now and recently it's hard to believe i know we are focused on it almost every hour but a few research polls show four out of ten americans are not engaged. that's why president biden once these debates this weekend wants to to make sure people recognize , you may not be superman all the perfect candidate but this is about a choice. a choice between joe biden and all trump and that has to come into picture to make sure this is a clear option >> martha: that maybe -- i think when you see that kind of swing at a 43-point swing that the won of a lack of engagement to me. that a move. i mean if people were engaged the jaspreet singh, of course, i'm going to vote for him again but that's engagement i would say, jason. >> the problem is joe biden doesn't personify a future. what are you going to do for these communities? how are you going to lock down the border? how are you going to drive down inflation? how are you going to tackle the high price of housing? and you has no play -- work, what is joe biden's plan to tackle inflation? nobody can tell you because he doesn't have one. >> we can go through a lot of -- the levy of things that you can -- the chips act, the -- >> what he's going to do, that's the point that he doesn't talk about what he's going to do. >> exactly that. 's got a whole list of things that he's got to do that he wants to do and -- >> name one. >> with congress. he's got -- you can do the whole motor tax credit program, this is for first-time homeowners, that 25,000 ground for new homeowners as well. the list goes on and on and securing the border. that is a big issue that republicans have just refused to address because they want it as a political issue. >> -- >> but joe biden does have a plan in the 20th -- >> martha: that's why we're looking forward to the big debate on thursday because both sides are going to have an opportunity to lay out what another term would look like. then and in itself is unique. you have two presidents one current, one form or telling people why they should get another term so it would be fascinating other day and will be watching very closely and covering it that night. david dellucci, tim schaefer's, thank you gentlemen, with valuables here today. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> martha: two astronauts getting to spend a bit of extra time together in outer space after some technical trouble with the right home. are funded madison's carping are lit reporting live from atlanta. >> the morningstar liners first manned mission was only supposed to last about eight days but here we are weeks later and nasa says that the astronauts won't be returning back to earth -- earth until at least july. which is in the spacecraft have now delayed a return twice a matter nasa says the star liner has problems with thrusters and some small helium leaks. will expertly the issues are not anything too serious nasa is playing it safe. engineers are using this time to really study the issues especially so future astronauts won't deal with the problems. here's what a former nasa astronaut stand on america reports last hour. >> beginning more -- you look at the glass half-full innocence that their testing the heck out of the whole system of the star liner and getting a lot -- a lot of good data for future flight. >> even with the issue nasa says the star liner is over all doing well in orbit. in emergency the star liner would be cleared to return to earth but if the helium leaks are not fixed and endangers the star liner's future missions. nasa says it could push back another star liner launch scheduled for early next ye year. marc staal? >> martha: having some issues from coolant licking from the spacesuits as well but i saw that interview, he seemed very calm. he said he would be happy to have some extra time and space and he believes that the astronauts feel the same way. wouldn't know how their families feel about it but we hope everyone gets home safely. medicine thank you very much. matt underwood -- madison's carping know in atlanta. so this terrible story has been getting worse as we learn more about it. more than 1300 people are believed to have died during this year's hajj pilgrimage in saudi arabia. the temperatures as high as 120 degrees. saudi officials say most of the victims are unauthorized pilgrims like him -- the kingdom requires users for the hajj -- hajj and says it is cracking down on people who try to come without a visa, most people generally don't have a hotel room and that has led to some of the horrific, terrific -- horrific loss of life that we are seeing at the hajj this year in saudi arabia so we'll continue to update you on that as we get it. that is "the story" for this monday, june 24th but as always the story continues. wait to see you this afternoon. we look forward to seeing you back here tomorrow at 3:00. >> ♪ ♪ >> she had such a bright futuread