Michael cohen is back on the stand momentaryly. Defense appears to be nearing the end of its Cross Examination. The judge believes testimony and evidence will wrap up this week. Summations to come next week. Were not done yet. Good morning, everybody. Bill hemmer, hope you had a glorious weekend. Dana im dana perino and the americas newsroom. When you said were nearing the end. We are. Bill we thought we might get deliberations this week. Based on what the judge just said that is not going to happen. Dana were awaiting president s trumps decision if he decides to take the stand. Here is what he said this morning on his way into court. Thank you very much. Im here instead of campaigning. As you know, i was supposed to be in a very different state this morning. The judge actually decided to call it early and yet it looks like well have a very big gap between days and it will be determined right now in court. But we are here about an hour early today. Supposed to be making a speech for political purposes. Im not allowed to have anything to do with politics because im sitting in a very freezing Cold Courtroom for the last few weeks and very unfair. They have no case, they have no crime. It has been determined by everybody, every legal scholar, New York PostEditorial Board today, trump prosecution winddown. It has always been a witch hunt with a prosecution winding down, we have to ask in the words of peggy lee, is that all there is . New york post Editorial Board. The key element to any prosecution is missing. The key element is missing. Missing, a crime, no crime. They go through all this stuff and nothing done wrong. Ndas are perfect and Legal Expenses. We paid a Legal Expense . A Legal Expense. Again, not marked down as construction, not marked down as sheetrock and cinder block. It is marked down oz Legal Expense. You have a lawyer. You pay him a Legal Expense. It is covered in the books as Legal Expense. I had nothing to do with that. The bookkeeper put it down as a Legal Expense. Thats why im here. I dont think there is one person that says this trial is legitimate. Everybody is talking about the judge. The judge shouldnt be doing this trial. He is totally conflicted. He is the most conflicted judge possibly in the history of the court system and everyone knows what im talking about. Bill that was a moment ago. They are inside the courtroom and once Closing Arguments the case will at that point be in the hands of the jury, right . They decide whether or not trump becomes the first president to be convicted of a crime. Dana team fox coverage. Lets begin with eric shawn to get us set up for our conversation. Good morning. Early today the trial is underway, Michael Cohen about to take the stand. He was on the stand all last week as President Trumps attorney todd blanche tried to show he is a liar after the prosecution ends and the defense will begin its turn to defend the former president. Blanche got cohen to admit he lied under oath in the past and tried to show that cohen lied to this jury when he claimed to talk to trump on the telephone talking about the Stormy Daniels. So far in this trial cohen has admitted he lied to a federal judge, lied to congress, lied to f. B. I. Agents, lied to his bank when he opened a Shell Company and lied in the Verb Yeah Investigation lied about seeking a trump pardon. The former president said he wants to testify and is under no legal obligation to do so. His lawyers have not yet said if he will do that. If he does not take the stand the only witness the defense may call is Bradley Smith. Smith is an Election Law Expert and former chairman of the federal Election Commission expected to testify the payments to Stormy Daniels dont count as Campaign Contributions as the prosecutors have alleged but are personal expenses. Smith has already compared trumps case to the 2012 prosecution of former North Carolina senator john edwards. You may remember he faced charges that he misused Campaign Funds to try to find an affair with his mistress. That exploded during the 2008 president ial campaign. Despite all that, edwards trial ended in an acquittal and a mistrial. See what happens with this trial today after cohen finishes. It would then be up to the defense the judge saying with no trial on wednesday or friday Closing Arguments expected next monday so the jury likely could get this case on next monday. Back to you in the street studio. Dana it might be tuesday because thats memorial day. Bill Michael Waltz and sits on the Foreign Affairs committee. The wheels of justice grind slowly here in new york, i tell you. I think we had 3 1 2 days of court last week. Looks like maybe 3 1 2 days this week. Maybe 3 1 2 days next week. Right now they are arguing on this defense expert witness, eric shawn mentioned the name brad smith. I dont know if he will be allowed to testify. What is your state as affairs as you see it from afar right now . You nailed it. As the wheels of justice crawl along, every day that this drags on, President Trump isnt out on the campaign trail. Where he should be. And i was there last week and, bill, the thing that jumped out at me was seeing bidens number three official from the department of justice, who should be up in washington doing whatever d. O. J. Does, but instead is on a leave of absence and sitting in a new york municipal courtroom just feet away from the man, donald trump who is ahead in five out of six swing states. If that isnt the poster child for what this is. Election interference, i dont know what is. Why is the d. O. J. Helping out a local d. A. . Dont they want this to turn out how Fannie Willis in georgia turn out . Thats the question we all should be asking. Dana in addition over the weekend there was news out of iran when there was a Diplomatic Mission from the iranian officials to azerbaijan. There was a Helicopter Crash confirming by them late last night that raisi, the president , was killed in that crash along with the foreign minister. Here is what dan hoffman said about that earlier today. I think well see a continuation of the general contours of Iranian Foreign policy, meaning domestic repression, carrying on support to hamas, and there socalled Axis Of Resistance against israel and the United States and for the filing their alliance with russia, china, and north korea. Dana if that continues what do you think the Biden Administration should do now . Well first i just want to say good riddance to raysy, no one should be shed a tear responsible for the deaths of Tens Of Thousands of dissidents as a prosecutor and Shooting School Girls in the street in a protest. The girl who was murdered by state police for not wearing a hijab. Good riddance. The president is more like a chief operating officer. Its the ayatollah that matters. The thing the watch is the Suss Session Plan for the eye tail yeah. If we changes the ayatollah is quite elderly, could die at any minute. Raisi was seen in helping with the transition to the ayatollahs son. So thats what were keeping an eye on. In terms of just replacing the president and major shifts in iranian policy, i dont see major changes. To answer your question, dana, the thing the administration should be doing is making the regime worry about its own internal stability. The thing the regime cares the most more than destroying israel or supporting terrorism is its own internal survival. It needs cash. We should be enforcing the sanctions going back to maximum pressure. Making the ayatollahs inner circle wonder, maybe there is infighting there, wonder how s succession is going to go. The more it is scared about its own stability the less time, energy and israel it has to destrap lies the world. Bill it is previous the trump team had a different take on iran and biden went back to the days of the Obama Administration where they want to have a relationship with this regime. You are right about the ayatollah. He pretty much calls the shots. It looked like he was trying to prop up raisi. That now will end. You called him the butcher of tehran. Gillian turner reports from the State Department that iran executed 853 people last year, many of them women and teenagers. Political dissidents among them. This year more than 200 people have been executed so far including two women just two days ago, congressman. Thats right. They didnt just disappear as awful as that is into some state prison. Many of them were hung in the streets, children, teenagers, to send a message to the school girls that were daring to protest the regime. So this regimes brutality cannot be overstated. Yet we just had a Senior Administration official secretly meeting with the regime in oman just a few weeks ago. The Appeasement Approach from this administration doesnt seem to be changing. They have to do a 180 on the iran policy. It would solve so much in terms of gaza, hezbollah, and the houthis and instability in the regime. Go back to maximum pressure and make the regime worry about its in survival. Dana one thing they could do is take down as much as possible or to be able to help provide actual internet access, Free Internet access to people where they are not being censored. Some of the things coming out yesterday from iran, the ridicule about the regime, the desire for people to get their information out. To find out whats happening in the world and for all of us to hear from them. Thats one practical thing that they could do and quickly i will give you a final word on that. Well thats right. The protest started with the kurds, our friends with the kurds and helping our friends. They cant get a meeting with bidens State Department. Secondly we passed the ship act to put secondary actions on chinese buyers of iranian oil. You put those sanctions in place and dry up the oil. 90 of illegal iranian oil is going to china. You go back to maximum pressure and you will solve the problem. Dana thank you for being with us this morning. Appreciate it. Bill well talk again soon. Breaking news from inside the courtroom now. These are new pictures of donald trump on day 19. It looks like white shirt, blue tie on this monday morning, all right . And the judge apparently has just made a ruling that brad smith, who is a witness the defense wants to call, an expert on federal Election Commission, he can testify about his background, purpose and general definitions and terms that relate directly to this case. The judge does not want smith to testify or divulge into sub phrases and sub definitions. Well parse the language on that. Our legal eagles will help us defined what a sub phrase and sub definition might be. Dana cant wait. Well be right back. Bill okay. Rocking on a monday. Where excellence, comfort, and electricity. Are forever in bloom. Welcome to beyond. The mercedesmaybach eqs suv. Before planning the wedding your bad hip was really acting up. Then, you heard about mako roboticassisted hip replacement. It starts with a ct scan to pinpoint the problem. That becomes a personalized, 3d plan to guide your doctor during surgery. Mako can help lead to better outcomes, like less pain and shorter recovery times. 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Cohen is not in the room, either. And so trumps Attorney Says we would ask this witness what does expenditure mean, what does contribution mean . I think anyone of a fair mind would be able to distinguish between the two. It is clear based on the sub definition what we were talking about a moment ago. Andy mccarthy, you are on the clock and about to begin another week. You are outside the courthouse. Andy, well get issues in a moment. Man, this seems like it is taking a long time. And we thought we would get Closing Arguments this week. Now it doesnt look like that will be the case. It looks like well go well past memorial day before the jury starts to deliberate. I know it is a former president. The weight of their decision is significant. But does this have to go on for more than a month . Well, here is the thing, bill. If you are going to charge the jury, then you want them to start and keep going until they finish. And if there are down days this week for reasons of peoples availability and especially with the holiday threeday weekend coming up seems to me it would be reckless to start deliberations unless you had a good feeling that you could get through them. You wouldnt want to charge the jury and have them start deliberating thursday and then take a long weekend off in the middle. Dana okay. The other thing that happened, andy, and i just want to play this sound from trump to set it up. It was a ruling from the bench about Bradley Smith who might testify about what is an expense and what is a contribution. Listen to trump what he says is a clearly Legal Expense. It is no crime. There was nothing done wrong. Ndas are perfect. By the way, Legal Expenses. We paid a Legal Expense . It is marked in the book as a Legal Expense. Again, not marked down as construction, it is not marked down as sheetrock and cinder block, it is marked down as Legal Expense. You have a lawyer. You pay him a Legal Expense. It is in the books at Legal Expense. I had nothing to do with that. The bookkeeper put it down as a Legal Expense. It is why im hear because they called it a Legal Expense, a payment to a lawyer. Dana defense wants to call this guy saying i worked at the fec and let me tell you what the definitions are. Any problem with that . Not only dont see a problem. I think it is essential. Judge merchan has deeply prejudiced trumps defense by allowing evidence that Michael Cohen pled guilty to two Campaign Finance violations and that pecker entered a nonprosecution agreement. So if you are where the jury is sitting, you may actually think that that part of the case has already been proved, there has been a Campaign Finance violation. In fact, that evidence should not have been admissible against President Trump. So they need to do something to correct this. What im fearful of is this is a controversial law because of the First Amendment problems attendant it to. If the judge will let smith read statutory definitions without explaining how the federal Election Commission explains this and interprets this law in order to remain on the safe side of free political speech, it does no good. Bill the first time you have been down at this courthouse for this trial. You are not unfamiliar with it. What are your First Impressions as you arrive there today, andy . I was actually the big thing i would say, bill, is nypd is they are wonderful. They actually are giving people a sense of Real Security here without being obtrusive. You have people demonstrating across from us and it isnt interfering with the Court Proceedings or Pedestrian Traffics and cops are moving things allot. We all feel a lot more secure because they are. Bill they are inside and outside. Stand by. Dana paul mauro, you are with us. One of the things you wrote about in ops desk is about the question of whether another witness might be called. Someone we had on our show last week named bob costello. If you could get call for three up ready for us. I want to play this for you, paul. There has been no mention from the trump team that they would call him. He says bob costello said look, if i were them i would call me, im a reliable witness from last week when he was on newsroom. I kept on going back and suggesting to them listen, michael, if you have something truthful on donald trump, now is the time to cooperate. And he kept on saying over and over again, ten to 20 times, i swear to god, bob, i dont have anything against trump. Dana Michael Cohen on the stand today. Bob costello, should he be in the batters box . Thats a dicey call, dana. I i take it seriously because this is a Manhattan Jury. At the end of the day. You see everything through a lens. You may feel like you have undermined the prosecutions case, we need to put on this one expert to give a general definition and then we will sail off into the sunset. If you have a bob costello in your quiver my opinion is you have to seriously consider using him. The question is how. Because much like the expert witness, you will have issues with the judge potentially here in how much costello can say and the easiest path, thats what i wrote about that you allude to, is that he can be brought in essentially just to undermine what Michael Cohen has said. Just to contradict it. That makes it not hearsay. He is there to demonstrate a prior inconsistent statement by cohen. In other words, hey, cohen is lying again and lying about the key issue in this case, which is whether donald trump knew anything about this. Thats what team trump would want. Thats the tension in this thing if they can get costello in a position in that court to speak. If you can get that, i dont see why you dont call him. Dana paul mauro and andy mccarthy, stand by. A quick 5minute break in court. Well sneak in a quick break while we can. Be right back. 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Right to the minute 9 31 eastern time donald trump is back in the courtroom and i imagine the jury will be brought in momentarily. So, too, will the witness Michael Cohen. What do you think he did over the weekend . Four days to stew on his testimony. Dana i bet he watched the knicks. Bill likely, i would say. Not a great performance, i would say also. Kayleigh mcenany is with us, former White House Press secretary President Trump. We could get into legal matters but lets get into politics. Trump will have a rally in the bronx on thursday, all right . Roll this. Here we go. Well come into new york and make it a big play for new york. Other cities, too. This city. I love this city and it has gotten so bad in the last three, four years and well straighten new york out. Bill so that was a month ago in harlem, all right . Now the trump team saying 21, guys, both new york city and state at large have been ravaged by surges in Violent Crime as a direct result of bidens and democrats procriminal policies. Murders are up 23. 1 from 2019 and Felony Assault is up 34. 5. These upticks are devastating. Get you a shot at that. What strikes me about the statement is that you have a clear contrast between bidens record and trumps record and no too far apart. Thats exactly what this is designed to do. The trump team says we can win new york. Anything is possible. Biden took 61 of the state. Poll shows biden up by ten points. A heavy lift. To your point this draws a contrast, gives huge earned media in the way a new jersey rally did. A huge show of support among a demographic he wants to win. Black men or at least really improve those numbers. You see 23 in the New York Times polls what he is pulling in among black voters. Thats the highest number of black voters any republican has gotten since 1964 in the enactment of the civil rights act. This is more about winning a demographic and earning media and drawing a contrast than winning the state. Anything is possible. Dana another reason to do it. Any time somebody goes to a rally the campaign gets information. How do we reach you . Can we get in touch with you . Would you consider being a donor . Will you make sure to show up . That kind of information is valuable in addition to the earned media that it will get and the contrast between biden giving a speech at Morehouse College and trump giving a rally in the bronx. I dont think that the trump team could get a crowd like that here, i just dont. I think this is the biden team maybe could but the trump team dana i dont think the biden team could do it. I dont think they could. You are right about that. The trump team allows them to bring in 3,500 people with a permit. A big we now know the verdict will come after memorial day. There was a thought it could come down thursday. Imagine if a guilty verdict came down even though the law suggests it shouldnt. What if a guilty verdict and a president on stage with a huge show of support . This was cleverly designed around the legal case. Bill here are the numbers from 2020. Joe biden won more than 60 of the vote in the state of new york. Thats a tough thats a high hill to climb. Torres is a democrat who represents that district where the president is going and he said this. The south bronx has no Brate Greater Enemy than donald trump who is on a mission to dismantle the Social Safety Net On Which bronx families depend for their survival. Trump is and always has been a fraud. The south bronx the most democratic area in the nation will not buy the snake oil he is selling. His team probably wrote it. Instead of giving a positive, uplifting message for the people you represent he goes to this social safety net. In the bronx. I wonder how folks feel about that . The social safety net. We talk about that. Another number that matters 17. 5 , the rate of prices that have gone up in new york state. Not much of a safety net when you go to the Grocery Store and cant afford groceries much less the Housing Market and interest rates. I remember being on Air Force One with the president and the Wall Street Journal news article came out talking about real wages going up for the black and Latino Community and all communities who hadnt seen wage increases. If you want to talk about a safety net waging up and not facing 20 inflation is a safety net. Dana and a belief in the individual that the government doesnt have to do it for you. Another thing is President Trump loves to get people agitated and on their keep them on their toes and what he said over the weekend about a possible third term. Watch. Fdr, 16 years, almost 16 years. He was fourterm. I dont know, will we be considered three term or two term, you tell me. Dana i think that he is joking. The media will definitely not think he is joking. This has been an ongoing matter. As wimp approaching the 2020 election he posted a fake Time Magazine covered altered through the centuries, all the way trump 2024, trump 90,000. A way to really trigger the left. He was asked in a serious interview would you say beyond a second term and he said it would require changing the 22nd amendment. I wouldnt be in favor of it all. The media will take this. Bill was it 90,000 or 900. Trump 90,000 and trump forever. Bill cohen is back on the stand now getting the jury to come in at the moment. The judge asked each side for a Draft Proposal on the theories in question and send it to the other side. The judge can get a red line where they differ. What is that all about . This is about the Jury Instructions. He is talking about each team presenting their set of instructions and he will be the determination in that. The Bradley Smith might pertain to exactly what Bradley Smith would say, not say, what they think the law says. That is interesting. They talked about not going a level deeper than what it needs to affect an election. Bradley smith wrote an article talking about affecting an election. Everything effects it. Brushing your teeth, buying a suit, all of these things would not be affecting an Election Campaign contribution. So i think the judge is trying to bar him from going deep down to that granular level. That would be helpful to the defense should brad le smith, a former fec commissioner testify to that. Dana the other thing is you have Michael Cohen, who as we were joking about at the beginning had the whole weekend to sit and think about the continued Cross Examination. From what you know about him, and his mindset and what we heard bob costello say about him how he was desperate not to go to jail but said he didnt have anything on donald trump and now he is under Cross Examination. Yeah, i hope he spent the weekend reviewing his Text Messages. He was confronted with one that was construed by the defense as a lie. He said that he had talked to trump about the Stormy Daniels payment, text message suggested he was talk about a 14yearold bully. Hopefully spent the weekend reviewing the messages. All the Defense Needs is reasonable doubt. If you reasonably doubt the testimony of Michael Cohen and think he lied about a Material Fact the Jury Instruction will say disregard his testimony entirely. All they need is reasonable doubt. They have proven that and more but you have a Manhattan Jury at the end of the day. Bill we get a lot of emails. Our team is great all over it down there at the courthouse. One of the attorneys for trump was advocating for his clients interests, as he should, as lydia hu points out. At one Point Merchan the judge said just relax, and both defense and judge seemed frustrated. So i have guess well kick it off on a brandnew week on that note. Well see you at noon. Thank you for coming in. Well get you back down to the courthouse. Mccarthy on the outside, turley on the inside. We have you all covered now for day 19 as we continue. Choice hotels is a family of brands with a hotel for any traveler you want to be. Like quality inn, for the dad that gets every dollar and minute outta this family road trip the day is upon us book at choicehotels. Com. Hellllllooooooooo you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stresses just melt away. I hear that. This bad boy can fix anything. Yep, tough day at work, nice cruise will sort you right out. When im riding, im not even thinking about my painful cavity. Well, you shouldnt ignore that. 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In fact, i think it was brilliant for the defense team to time it so that they could take a break for the long weekend and the last thing that they were hearing about is all of Michael Cohens lies, hearing about his bias, all of the things that will cause that jury to disbelieve him and then they come back this morning and they get hit with more Cross Examination. More impeachment of Michael Cohen. Lets be sure there is a lot to work with. He has prior inconsistent statements, probably thousand of them that they can catalog. He also has a Felony Convictions based on fraud and dishonesty and bias, any witness that this degree of bias is not worthy of belief. If he says the sun is orange in the sky then im not going to believe it coming from Michael Cohen and he has that kind of bias. In addition, you always got the defense has got some witnesses coming up. I would not be surprised if we dont hear from costello, okay . The former attorney who will come to this courtroom, i think, and tell this jury that Michael Cohen not only has he lied in all these other courtrooms, he lied to you guys in this one. If that happens this case may very well be over for alvin bragg. Bill lets just refresh our viewers memory. Brad smith we believe will be called. That seems to be the indication we get from the emails inside the court. An Open Question on costello. The judge has been pretty strict about where these witnesses go. Here is where costello went with dana and me last thursday. Watch here. When we got into the discussion of the Stormy Daniels nda, he said specifically and i crossexamined him on this this was my idea. It was his idea to take care of the nda because he had been contacted by a lawyer for Stormy Daniels who said she would claim that donald trump had sex with her. Cohen said i didnt believe the allegation but nevertheless it would be embarrassing to melania. That is Michael Cohens words. So i decided to take care of this myself. Bill if you are a juror and hear that, it could be devastating stuff. And the costello was the attorney for Michael Cohen when this happened in 2016, 17, 18. But the judge may say its hearsay and not allow any of this. It is not hearsay. It is not hearsay. By Definition Hearsay is an out of Court Statement that you are offering to the jury to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Here it would not be offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted. It would be offered simply to prove that cohen talks out of both sides of his mouth. It is being offered merely to show that cohen made those statements and that they were inconsistent with his testimony. So by definition, it is not hearsay. Now i do agree with you there is a chance that this judge, because i do think he is biased against donald trump. There is a chance he may rule it inadmissible. This is the same judge that let us here all the inadmissible irrelevant stuff from Stormy Daniels and the like. If he were to exclude Robert Costello he would show his true colors and doing reversible error. What costello has to say its admissible. If im defending donald trump in this trial i would move mountains to try to get costello on the stand. Dana your thoughts now, andy mccarthy, now its underway. Cohen has agreed that any time he testified under oath there was prep but that is not unusual. That is standard, right . That there is media . Dana there is prep. Yeah. I was wondering, dana. The first question i would have asked if i were todd blanche were did you speak with the prosecutors over the weekend . The usual rule is if you put a witness on, if you are the party that puts the witness on, you cant speak to that witness while the witness is on Cross Examination. I agree with phil that it was very smart of blanche to run the clock On The Last Day of last week. Not only because he got to start afresh this morning but should have blocked the prosecutors from speaking with cohen over the weekend. If they did do that it would seem to me that would be an issue. Bill it doesnt appear he asked that question and or it doesnt appear that he did. So the exchanged good mornings, the readout were getting. Hang on one second here. Oh, blanche said how many reporters did you talk to over the weekend . Cohen says he spoke to reporters to say hello and check in but didnt speak about the case. Cohen is still talking to the media over the weekend, all right . Cohen agrees since 2024 he spoke with the prosecution about the case more than a dozen times. Closer to 20 than 12. Cohen met with prosecution more than an hour or two. I dont think he asks if he spoke to the prosecution over the weekend in this readout. Why would that be so significant . Continue, andy. Well, you are not supposed to talk to the other sides witness while they are cross examining him to try to repair the things that have gone wrong in the Cross Examination up until this point. The other thing is they shouldnt have been able to prep him for redirect, which means he would have to he would basically be questioned cold once he is done with Cross Examination. If you are the prosecutor, you would love to have been able to talk to him to load him up to repair some of the things that went wrong on Cross Examination to the extent you can last week. But you would also really have wanted to prepare him for Redirect Examination so that you could do like a half hour quick, crisp, examination and then get him off the stand. Dana okay. Phil holloway, from where you sit, one of the things that you have is the situation with the Jury Instructions. I dont think weve heard from you on that yet. It really does seem to have come down to that. We know based on what bill reported a few minutes ago from our producers that you have a request from the judge for both the defense and prosecution to send in what are your red lines and what do you agree or disagree on . Is that a normal thing the judge would ask for as he thinks about Jury Instructions as well . Yes, it is normal that at some point towards the end of the case the judge will make Something Like this request so that he can get maybe started thinking about what his jury charges will be. But in this case, i dont know how much agreement there is going to be between the parties. Look, this Charge Conference or charging discussion that will go on between the lawyers and the judge is going to be as critical to the outcome of this case as Jury Selection was in my view. Because the prosecutors theory of the case even up until now in my opinion is entirely incomprehensible. I cant get my head wrapped around exactly what it is they are saying donald trump supposedly did and in what way, particularly with respect to this other crime, right . It is bizarre that were this far along in any criminal case, let alone one involving the former leader of the free world, the president of the United States where this far along in the trial the prosecutors theory of the case is so jumbled and income present henceible. Well hopefully find out what their theory is when the judge puts it in writing and instructs the jury. But it is a big mystery to me. I thought i was crazy. I thought maybe it was just me. Ive spoken to other of my colleagues, other people who are talking about this trial, and it seems to be more like universally none of us can fully understand what alvin bragg is trying to get at here. If it goes to the jury like that, and the jury cant understand it, that can only help donald trump. Bill well see. Phil, i was sharing this with dana during a commercial break. An article from the Wall Street Journal this morning. News piece as they examine the defense of trump. This is a piece from the New York Times. It is a news piece that examines the case against donald trump. Dana, they could not be more different from one another as they look at what has been presented so far. Dana which is why its great to read both. Bill stand by. We have Turley Inside and we have trey gowdy inside the courtroom as well today. It will get good. Stand by. Dive deeper into prayer. Listen, it doesnt matter if youve never prayed before or if youre praying every day. God wants you to grow a little closer to him. To give you a little more of his peace. Heâ– s here with you now. Let him in. Join me and millions of others on the number one prayer app in the world. Hallow. Lets grow a little closer to jesus together. Try hallow for free today. vo if you have graves disease. 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