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Neil all right. That was six hours ago when hunter biden arrived in washington to talk to congressmen Behind Closed Doors. We have no indication what they have discovered on hunters dad. We have a pretty good idea what theyre discovering on hunter biden himself. Welcome. Im neil cavuto. Lets get to it. Aishah hasnie. I guess you could call this the hearing that doesnt end. Its going on and on as we speak, right . Hey, neil. It could be wrapping up in the next couple moments here. We were told that chairman comer is walking down now. So if he takes the podium here, i will hand it off to him so we can listen to those remarks. We havent seen or heard from him since this all started. Looks like hes walking over now. But we do know that hunter biden has been taking every question, answering in great detail and in great length. Not pleading the fifth, which has been surprising because of those two criminal cases. Heres chairman comer. Im just going to issue a brief statement. Deposition is still john going. I have a bill on the house floor. Im going to run across the street. Republicans are still currently asking questions. But i think this was a great deposition for us. It proves several bits of our evidence that weve been conducting throughout this investigation. But theres some contradictory statements that i think need further review. So this Impeachment Inquiry will now go to the next phase, which will be a Public Hearing. Thats something that everyone in the media has been asking a lot of questions about. Something that i know that mr. Biden and his attorney both demanded. Just as i said when we said we would do the deposition first. Well have a Public Hearing next. So i think that Public Hearing hopefully will clear up some discrepancies between the statements made between the associates and what we heard today. All and all, im very optimistic, very excited about this deposition. And i look forward to releasing the transcripts as soon as both sides agree to that. Hopefully that will be in the ftx two or three days. What was contradictory, sir . So neil, chairman comer says he will release the transcript of this deposition, which is what democrats have been calling for. They feel like this investigation is over. Theres nothing to see here. They want those transcripts released as quickly as possible, which it sounds like were going to see. They do not want to see a Public Hearing. They think this is over. You heard from chairman comer. Sounds like theres going to be a Public Hearing. There was a stunning moment during this deposition. We heard from democrats. They said that at one point hunter biden brought up jared curbmer, former President Trumps soninlaw and suggested that lawmakers launch an investigation into him and his overseas Business Dealings. When fox questioned whether or not hunter biden was suggesting which investigations or what lawmakers should be looking into, we heard congressman goldman push bash. I dont know. He raised the question. He drew the distinction between what he had done in a Business World with independent businessmen versus foreign governments, which he did not do any business with unlike jared kushner. Okay. There was also of course this big question, neil, of what value or experience did hunter biden offer any of these boards, these foreign companies. I got to ask both democrats and republicans what did hunter say today. Listen to this. Weve asked those questions. Theres and ellucory very. Theres a mirage to believe that he was engaged in international business. He said im a graduate of georgetown. Hes been involved in lots of business. He was an expert on corporate governance. So it sounds like this might be over now. Chairman comer of course just walked out. We havent seen hunter biden leave yet. Were expecting him to walk through these doors. Were standing by now. Neil . Neil just to put a fine sort of finish on this. Comer is looking in to Hunter Bidens Business Dealings. This went on for the better part of six hours. A lot of stuff that they have on hunter and trying to connect a lot of that stuff to dad. I wasnt attending this Behind Closed Doors meeting and neither were you. Your sources are far better. Im wonder if theres stuff that they connected to dad. Comers remarks were brief, very short. If he found anything that was, he certainly would have leapt at the chance to say it. You would think that he would have led the entire commentary a few moments ago with what whatever he seems to have found. Democrats have been coming out and sort of like on a media blitz talking to anyone and everyone that will speak to them. Republicans have been very so i lint. Almost angry with democrats for saying anything theyre saying. Chip roy said theres rules to this, a deposition. You shouldnt be coming out and talking. Hes upset that Jared Kushners name was brought up. Democrats are talking to the media and telling them whats going on inside. Again, this would be the make or break deposition for this case. If there is something that has come out of this, you would think wed hear about it fairly soon. Neil all right. Aishah, thanks for that. Andy mccarthy joins us now. Katie cherkasky. Andy, if i can begin with you on what revelations that we know of could have come from the six hours of testimony on the part of hunter biden. Obviously the real pursuit here is his dad. Or connect his dad to his sons business practices. Do you think in anything you have heard that they have got that . That they have achieved that . Yeah, i thought that hunter led with his chin at the beginning of the day when he did an Opening Statement that said the father was never involved. That he never involved his father with his business associates. They had numerous different instances in Black And White statements showing that he precisely involved his father in his Business Dealings, most notorious through that Whatsapp Message that was notorious with a chinese partner saying im sitting here with my dad and pressured him to close a deal. I have to say, neil, two things on the basis of the reporting we just heard. First, it makes perfect sense that the republicans wouldnt go public if they have gotten something explosive in the deposition if the deposition is still going on, which we understand that it is. Because as an investigator, you wouldnt want to Say Something public and then hunters lawyers find out about it and they try to repair it or fix it while the deposition is still going on. If he said something that is either incriminating or troubling, you want to lock him in and leave it in the transcript rather than brag about it while he can still fix it. Secondly, with respect to dan goldmans comments, its remarkable. Hu hunters Business Partners including Bank Of China and the chinese bank. So to try to draw a distinction between his Business Partners and what he said with Jared Kushners is remarkable. Neil in the case of jared kushner, A Billion Dollars from major arab nation. Thats a separate issue. Katie, your talk on where you think this goes . Because theyre not trying to sort of thread the needle. That is those defending hunter biden to say of course, you know, theres a connection with the name. We get that. Theres nothing untoward or wrong with the father being mentioned or dipping in and even saying hello. That was something that the father said never happened in the first place. They have to sort of correct that. What do you make of that, that the appearance of impropriety doesnt equal impropriety, which is what i think theyre saying. This has always been a circumstantial case as far as tying joe biden to any of hunters Business Dealings. Theres strong Circumstantial Evidence that he was involved. I dont think that hunter has offered any sort of clear explanations for many of these very specific exchanges. The Text Messages that Reference Payments that are being sent, the presence of joe biden on all of these phone calls. So in terms of whether the republicans can close that loop and actually get to a place with even circumstantially they can show that there was direct involvement of joe biden and it was for an improper purpose, thats where you have to look at the inconsistencies that have come out, all of the testimony presented by Business Partners and meet that burden of proof. Hunter is in a tough position. Hes facing criminal cases that kind of overlap with the same subject matter. I wouldnt have anticipated that he will give Smoking Gun Evidence or concessions. Certainly any statements that he gives are going to be analyzed in terms of those inconsistencies to see if that loop can be closed. Neil lets go to the latest decision on donald trump and hes legal battles. The court has decided against him and his judgment. He must post the full amount. The judge will temporarily allow donald trump and his sons to continue running the business as this appeals process plays out. So hearing that, andy, what do you think . Well, i think the wild card in that, neil, is that the verdict in the civil the new york civil fraud case prescribes or prohibits donald trump and the Trump Organization from taking loans from banks that are either chartered by new york or registered to do business in new york. You know this better than i do. That seems to be like every Important Financial Institution in america. So its good for trump that he will continue to have a little bit more leeway to do what he has to do to put these bonds together. I dont know how he will do it if he cant take loans. Neil or something that could collateralize the properties that he has here. He really cant do that. Theres a number of properties that hes a direct investor or side investor that could easily get this money forward. But that money in getting it to them is paramount. The appeals process and maintaining a Business Interest and identity in new york, that cant just be shut down as he goes through it is the other part. How do you size it up . I wonder if he has an argument. His team has mentioned that they will raise an eighth amendment argument that excessive fines shouldnt be imposed. He should proceed with that appeal without posting the full amount of this unprecedented damages that hes been adjudged against. I think he has to get creative. The first step is to ask the court if they would have some leeway with that. Barring their allowance for that, he has to go through the standard process. Neil that meant that 100 million Bond Offering that he make by the way, these sizes have never been seen in any state that has this kind of thing on the books. New york is unique because this is even though its been out there for decades, its never been used. The 100 million thing is a Bond Offering that he couldnt make. It was a quarter of what he would have to put up if you follow the letter of this murky law. So that remains the case. Put up the full amount. Andy, your thoughts. I wouldnt go to sleep, neil, on the fact that probably early next week judge kaplan in the federal trial, the second E Jean Carroll case is going to tell him he has to put up 90 million to appeal there. That has already come up this week. So, you know, this is just the beginning of these problems for the former president. Youre talking about the e. Jean carroll situation. Thats 94 million there. This is 464 million. Youre closing in hahn 570 million when all is said and done. Thanks very much. Well keep track of this. Obviously a moving target. Both of these legal cases and where they go. Meantime, letting you know about mitch mcconnell. Hes 82 years young. He says thats enough. Im going to step down at least as republican leader of the senate. No one has served longer in that kind of capacity in november. He can still stay on and plans to stay on right through the end of 2026 when the present term expires. We have more from chad pergram on the fallout from this. Chad . Neil, good afternoon. Several factors at play here. Age, time, health and its about the math. Mcconnell just turned 82. Hes the longest serving Senate Leader in history. Mcconnell fell last year. He then froze up on several occasions and mcconnell lost his iron grip on senate republicans. Believe me, i know the politics within my party at this particular moment in time. I have many faults. Politics is not one of them. Martha gop Florida Senate Eric Scott Ran against mccome for leader in late 2022. Mcconnell failed to get a majority of gop members to support the International Aid bill earlier this month. Gop missouri senator Josh Hawley Said Mcconnell was the symbol of everything that is wrong with washington. Nobody has done more to open the geyser of Corporate Cash in American Politicses that mitch mcconnell. I think there will be more than three that are interested. Maybe more than three that are viable. I dont know. Its been a long time since weve had a Leadership Race like this. 3 senators are interested in succeeding mcconnell. Gop whip john thune, former women john cornyn and John Barrasso of wyoming. The gop wont pick a predecessor until november. Hes gave us the confidence to sit down and decide what our Mission Needs to be. What are our goals. We need a more strategic approach to doing that. Hes given us that time to have that discussion and then hopefully find a leader that will fully embrace that mission. There was tension between mcconnell and conservatives for years. Former President Trump wanted mcconnell out. It was thought that mr. Trump could try to engineer his ouster if he wins in november. Neil . Neil thank you for that, chad, on capitol hill. Well give you the latest and whether the former president has said anything about this. The former President Plans to go to the border tomorrow. The present President Plans to go to the border tomorrow. Theyre not there at the same time and the same place. Its note worthy. Jacqui heinrich has more. Were waiting for the results of the president s physical that happened today. It wont include a Cognitive Test. On the border, travel tomorrow. He will not be seeing an area, a sector that has been very busy. The white house says that doesnt matter. Hes going to rail against republicans for killing the bipartisan border deal that failed in the senate. They see this as a big opportunity to shift the blame from the white house to the gop on the crisis at the border. More on that. There are so many tina feys i could be. So i hired body doubles to help me out. 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At stores everywhere without a prescription. Neil the president of the United States and the former president of the United States are headed to the border, different parts. Jacqui heinrich on this historic timing. Jacqui . Pretty historic, neil. Hes only been to the border one other Time Since Taking Office and the other historic event today i shouldnt say historic but more like doesnt happen often. He does his physical. Were waiting on the memo from the white house of the health readout from the president. We know it wont include a Cognitive Test. The president says that his doctors and neurologist doesnt think he needs one. In the words of karine jeanpierre, he passes a Cognitive Test every day. They said they had no problem railing against his age and the hur report on the classified documents. Opted not to include one citing, of course, the doctors decision and now folks have to take his word for it. The president joked around and what happened in his physical this morning. Listen to this. [question inaudible] so the president said the doctors think he looks too young. After that remark, he commented on the upcoming retirement of minority leader mitch mcconnell, who cited his own age, 82 as part of hits decision to step down. The quote he said, i turned 82 last week and the end of my contributions are closer than id prefer. The white house declined to opine on what that means for the president who is just eight months younger than mcconnell. Tomorrow, biden will continue travelling, continue his work as president. They say he is going to the border not for anything other than an opportunity, really, to slam republicans on their failure to pass a bipartisan bill that failed in the senate that would have addressed many of these border issues. Take a listen to what they said. The president is not going to see the parts of the border where its actually really bad. I think youre missing the point. The point is the president actually did the work to get a bipartisan bill done. It was rejected because of what they were told by the last president. By donald trump to kill it. They literally, jacqui, put politician ahead of the American People. Thats what they did. The part of the border hes going to averaged 17 crossings a day. It ranked 29th among the busiest sectors. More than 450 in the month of february the busiest sector that hes not going to had about 14,000. The white house says that, you know, the president is the one that has done the work. Theyre taking this opportunity to try to push the blame from their own administration for things like Undoing Trump era policies or not choosing to reenact them with Executive Orders that he could be making over to republicans and say that they could take action on the border but they refuse to. Theyre really soaking up this moment politically to try to shift gears, shift the blame away from their own administration to the opposing party as immigration has become the top voter concern over all other issues that voters are facing, neil. Neil all right. Thank you very much, Jacqui Heinrich at the white house. Georgia republican Governor Brian Kemp is welcoming the president s renewed interest of the border, but demanding answers from him concern ago Georgia University student that was killed by an illegal immigrant. Brian kemp will join us shortly. Joe lieberman, the former connecticut senator, president ial candidate and the the no labels founding chairman. Good seeing you, joe. Immigration has obviously hit front and center, even a majority of democrats now see it as a compelling issue and a problematic one for the president. Is he too little too late responding here . Thanks, neil. Good to be back with you. So of course, let me say, it really is interesting that immigration and Border Security are the number 1 or second issue of concern to americas voters right now inflation and the economy. The reason i say that, more people are affected by inflation than by Border Security. Border security has come to represent something larger for the American People. That is the breakdown of the ability of our government to maintain a basic operation such as our borders. Keeping people out, keeping the rule of law up. So not surprising that both President Biden and former President Trump are going to the border tomorrow. Its not too late for President Biden. But really hes got to act decisively. The fact is that he sent out signals from the beginning of his administration that were read carefully by people that wanted to come to america illegally and they flowed in. The flow has been just outrageous. Ive always been for immigration, it strengthens our country, but you have to have rule. The rules are being ignored or gamed now. If the bill doesnt pass, which i hope it will in the house, the president has to take Executive Action to clamp down on illegal immigration at our borders. Neil but hes not doing so. He might take a couple of quick efforts, Executive Orders to undue the Executive Orders that he administered on his first full day in office. It will have to go a long way to address what is happening. Since then, this Georgia University students killed by an alleged illegal. The fact of the matter is, he didnt address it when talking about crime in the country today. Any of these issues that have involved those illegally hear, he doesnt address at all. It says if he has a tin ear or the staff around him chooses deliberately to have a tin ear. Yeah, absolutely. President biden right now is on defensive on The Big Question of Border Security and immigration. I think if he doesnt act decisively to put himself on the side of enforcing the rules at the border, then its going to really make it difficult for him to get reelected. Its that important for that wide swath of americas voters. Neil do you think this issue now, especially in light sometimes it takes a tragedy like the killing of this university of Georgia Student to crystallize it and say we could have stopped this. This guy had been picked up a number of times. We could have stopped it, sent him back to venezuela. We didnt do that. For a lot of americans looking at this and this girl who had a wonderful life ahead of her, shes gone. Her parents, her friends are devastated that is a seminole moment, i would think. It is a seminole moment. Makes it all very personal. We can say, i believe the truth, most of the immigrants are coming in illegally because they want a better life for themselves and their families. But that is not good enough. If you have somebody that came in illegally like this guy in georgia and there were opportunities for the police and immigration authorities to grab him, but they didnt and he ended up killing this innocently beautiful woman, that make it all very important and really cries out for the most urgent, tough policies at the border and in chasing down Illegal Immigrants once theyre found in this country. I think the American People are fed up with the status quo on this. As i say, its more than just the border. Its about the collapse of law in our society and about the incompetence, the loss of trust in our government to do the most basic things that we expect government to do. This really is a symbol of all of that. The murder in georgia is the most heart breaking evidence of it. Its a seminole moment. If President Biden doesnt react to it aggressively, i say again, i think it alone will make it impossible for him to get reelected. Neil all right, senator. Well see what happens. A lot to cover there. I appreciate you taking the time. Were monitoring these developments. This 22yearold, Laken Hope Riley was found on the university of georgia campus. She was not a student there. I misspoke. Bottom line, shes dead and her family is wondering what were going to do to avoid this in the future. Were on top of that and on top of a town wondering the same thing after this. Jorge has always put the ones he loves first. But when it comes to caring for his teeth hes let his own maintenance take a back seat. Well maybe its time to shift gears on that. Because aspen dental has the latest technology and equipment. With a staff that goes out of their way to provide exceptional care. Plus free exams and xrays for new patients without insurance and 20 off treatment plans. Making it easier to get started with quality care. Its one more way aspen dental is in your corner. I love your dress. 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The Georgia Republican governor, brian kemp, very kind enough to join us. He wants to find out more act laken rileys murder and how it could happen and with someone who had already been fingered by Border Officials. Hunter biden and his lawyer are there. They might talk to reporters. Lets listen. It seems to me that the republican members wanted to spend more time talking about my clients addiction than they could ask any questions that had anything to do with what their call their impeachment effort. As i said before, theres no evidence because theres no evidence and today only confirmed that. Thank you. Neil theres no evidence. Thats again the view of Hunter Bidens lawyer. Theres nothing there. Certainly nothing that incriminates him. Certainly his father with whom he had business conversations. The eye of the beholder whether that represents a crime. If the goal in the sixplus hours of depositions was to get us closer to a convincing case as hunter biden and the prosecutors and the Top Republicans and democrats on that completety leave, the fact of the matter is we had any little indications that gloves were laid on him that could be by design. Nobody is going to give something away as he would have time to change or alter. Too early to tell. Back to brian kemp on this whole Hunter Biden Issue. What do you think of the whole case . This is something that critics say republicans have been trying to build up, but their key witness might not be reliable. Might be a liar. For some, looks like its falling apart. Do you see it that way . Yeah, be hard for me to say, neil. Weve had a lot of really horrible things that weve been dealing with here in the state of georgia. We lost two State Patrolmen in the line of duty. Obviously our three Military Heros that we lost in the Drone Attacks over in jordan and obviously this terrible incident with laken. So i hadnt been indulged to be in the weeds too much on the hunter biden situation. Neil i can well understand, sir. Let me ask you a little bit about something that you do care a great deal about. The death of this 22yearold girl at the hands of an illegal immigrant allegedly. If he was the one behind it, there were plenty of opportunities for Border Officials to arrest him and send him back to venezuela. They never did so. A lot of cracks in the system. He was able to buck the system and allegedly pull this off. What do you think of how this is handled . Well, i mean, thats what so frustrating about this whole thing. When you think about when and where it started in 2022, this guy came across the border. You know, for over two years now, myself and republican governors saying we have illegal immigration, we have bad people coming in our country, people on the Terror Watch List coming in our country, people bringing fentanyl, people bringing Human Trafficking in to our country. It needed to stop, this is long before anybody started saying dont make this political or whatever. Its just a nobrainer to secure our southern border. Weve seen Governor Abbott do things that work. Weve seen the Previous Administration and the white house do things that works. This president in his, you know, border czar have literally just ignored this. So that is the first problem, allow these people coming across a porous southern border. Then you have this situation where this person is arrested in new york, released and arrested again in georgia and released and nobody is checking him. You have someone that is illegal that is breaking our laws. They should have been deported. Now we have unfortunately in a horrific crime a dead 22yearold. Neil do you think this bipartisan border deal that just didnt work out, republicans blame democrats, democrats blame republicans, be that as it may, governor, could it have stopped Something Like this . Doesnt look like it could have. What do you think . Well, neil, to me, the buck stops with the white house and with President Biden. I said this at the World Economic forum over a year ago. Last years World Economic forum. I told senator manchin, cinema and coons. They said theyre working on a border deal. I said thats great. Washington d. C. Has been doing that for 20 years now. While youre doing that, secure the border. We have suggested ideas. We have said well work with this president and any future president to secure our borders. Theres things that joe biden can do right now, things he could have done when the Vice President said the border was secure, the how many Land Security Secretary said the border was secure. His Press Secretary said the border was secure. Over a year ago, over two years ago, theres things that they could have done. They have ignored this problem. The American People see through that. Its not just republicans that are upset about this. I mean, look at what former Senator Lieberman said. The guy was a bigtime democrat at one time, turned independent. He knows this is a problem in our country. Middle america knows that as well and they want we should demand action. We have to keep the pressure up on the president. I hope when he goes to the border tomorrow, he will talk to somebody that will tell him what is really happening and has been happening down there. Neil do you get a sense when the president had an opportunity, governor, to talk about crime, that was an unscheduled event, he made a big point of saying the progress we made on crime, but he did not mention the laken riley tragic death. He didnt mention any cases that have come up in your state or anything having to do with anyone illegally here. Yeah, i read stories today about other instances where you had people here illegally that had committed murders and Violent Crimes in places like louisiana, maryland, colorado. We know obviously what happened in georgia. We know the amount of fentanyl that is in our country. We know the amount of people that were losing our children to one dose of fentanyl coming across the southern border. We know the cartel is being emboldened by this and enriched as well. To not link the crime that we have in our country with what is happening with the southern porous border that we have is just insane to me. I guess he just simply does not get it. Neil while i have you, governor, the Fani Willis Trial and her relationship with another prosecutor, how long that was known and whether these entire case against donald trump at least in georgia should be dismissed or start over or she should be dismissed. Your a former lieutenant governor. Dismissed a lot of these accusations against fani willis as a side show. Do you . Well, i think its more like a soap opera than a side show to me. I have to be careful, neil, about what im saying. I was subpoenaed by the special grand jury that she did. I said a long time ago that this was political, and its gotten more political now and i think shes understanding now the politics on the other side of this because of quite honestly what appears to be her own actions. I think we need to let the judge work through this. I think judge mcafee will work through it in a fair and good way and well see what he says and then we can take it from there. Neil all right. Not a side show to you. Its i think his view was, governor, i understand how carefully you have to be in answering this, that, you know, whatever you make of her relationship, shouldnt get to the bottom of what donald trump tried to do to influence the final vote in your statement. I would just say this, neil. When your a prosecutor and youre picking high profile cases regardless if its this one or any others, theres going to be a lot of people watching. When you dont have your is dotted and ts crossed and things like this happen. People are going to take advantage of that. She made this political and now the other side is making it political. Its up to judge mcafee to be the referee. Its going to be interested to see what he does. Neil very interesting. Thanks, governor, with all of this breaking news. I appreciate it, sir. Thanks, neil. Neil all right. Meantime, want to take you back to washington, the hunter biden long back and forth, six hours plus talking to republicans Behind Closed Doors. That is over. What we learned from that too soon to tell. Aishah hasnie has the very latest. Aishah . Hi, neil. Good afternoon. Big headline today is that this is all headed for a Public Hearing now on capitol hill. That is what chairman james comer of the Oversight Committee vowed moments ago here on your show. He said this was now going to be going to the hill for a big hearing. Hes going to bring hunter biden in to testify in front of democrats and republicans. Hunter biden, as you just said, as well on your show, just walked out of here. He had his attorney make a few comments saying this thing is totally over. Theres nothing to see here. The investigation is done. As he was walking out, i asked him if hes ready to testify publicly on capitol hill. He just smiled at me and he kept on walking and got into his car and drove away. This is now where republicans are taking this investigation. Chairman comer said this is the eventual next step. He wanted to dothe deposition first. The Public Hearing next. Democrats youll remember not long ago wanted a Public Hearing. They didnt want the deposition. They wanted to go to this public event. Republicans pushed back on that. Now democrats say they dont want to see a Public Hearing. So well wait and see when they schedule that. First well get the transcript of what happened today. The deposition. Chairman comer says hes going to released the transcript in the next few days when he gets everything worked out with democrat ranking member, jamie raskin. Well see how hunter biden answered all of these questions. I heard earlier that republicans came in with about 800 questions today. Well see exactly how he answered those questions. We were told he was not pleading the fifth at all today. He was answering these questions in great detail and in great length. So well see what they learned from that. Chairman comer also said that he was he felt that hunter biden was contradicting himself several times. Marjorie Taylor Greene as well saying that. Well see what exactly he was contradicting in terms of previous statements that hes made to this community. As of now, the headline is we dont know exactly what they learned from this deposition today. We dont know if they got a bomb shell moment out of this, a smoking gun. We know that the next step now is a Public Hearing. You know how those go. We watch them all the time. Gets very heated. Democrats and republicans expecting to make a big show of this. More to come as soon as that is scheduled, neil. Neil yeah, you have to have something to show. Thats what were waiting to find out. Aishah, thanks very much for that. Abbe lowell said republicans had no evidence that involved hunter and his father and no evidence because there is no evidence. Further were learning from jake gibson that as they were walking out, he asked hunter twice how did it go. He replied great. I want to do back to andy mccarthy, katie cherkasky. It comes down to having something there. You have to have something that sticks. Not what appears to be an unreliable witness or one that is accused of lying but something that has the goods. Is it fair to say at this juncture and as you pointed out earlier, so much we dont know because theres so much not being shared right now that maybe that did come up. To hear both sides sort of stake out their political ground on this, democrats said nothing was revealed, republicans said lots of things were revealed. I noticed from the republicans, no specifics on when they might be. What do you think . Well, neil, i think its important to define what the goods are because lets remember, this is not a criminal investigation. Its under the auspices of Impeachment Inquiry, which i have taken with a grain of salt. We all know that theres no chance that the senate would ever remove President Biden, convict him in an impeachment hearing. They had so much trouble in the house getting the inquiry approved the thought that they would file articles of impeachment and vote them is highly unlikely. What this has always been about to my mind is political accountability for millions of dollars in foreign funds that cant be explained that come from antiamerican and corrupt regimes or at least the agents of them, how that ends up in the biden family coffers. When democrats say that theres nothing here, i think what they mean by that is that the republicans havent proved a prosecutable felony crime. When the republicans say we have a ton of stuff here, what theyre saying is not everything that is corrupt is necessarily illegal. What the framers were worried about, when for example they put in inpeachment in the constitution, the awesome powers of the presidency would be purchased by foreign powers. Thats a big political problem, whether or not its a legal one. Neil you know, katie, on the Political Part that doesnt look good. When the son of the president of the United States and for a while the Vice President of the United States has these Business Dealings abroad, whether its father knew of them or not, obviously a lot of contacts would have been established had his last name was not biden. That doesnt make things criminal or even more serious for the president and remains to be seen how much of this is tied to joe biden, if any. But how important is that just the appearance of impropriety and then some . For political purposes, its hugely important. The American People know theres so many unexplained facts that hunter biden has not offered as far as we have seen so far any explanation for. We know joe biden was on the phone. Theres the messages that were send. Theres no credible explanations offered from the bidens up to this point. That is huge politically. On the criminal side, hunter biden does have his own criminal problems. Obviously the point of this is to protect his father at all costs. That could cost him in his criminal cases in other ways. Especially if theres any inconsistencies there. For political purposes, the American People do want to know just practically speaking how did they get all of this money, what was going on here and why was hunter biden so involved with these companies without any credible experience that were aware of. Neil what stands out, andy, just as the business nerd here, so many involving china. Of course we now know and of course china has gained greater importance in threat since this and even at the time, during this. So that raises eyebrows. Whether the father is directly involved or aware or not. But the father is aware that his son was using that name to garner these relationships. Now, i dont know the laws on the books about conflicts of interest on this and whether there were impeachable offenses here. That involved the father that the son is doing this. But you have to have a direct link to dad, dont you . Whatever you think of this. That has not been proven yet to my knowledge. Does that mean that at this point theres no there there . At least for republicans. Yeah, let me try to separate out two things. One is i respectively disagree theres not a link to dad. What i can make of the evidence, the business is joe biden. Hes got plenty of personal participation in it. Hes the only person in this equation that could have shut this down in enough seconds if he chose to. He let them go on for years and years cashing in on his political influence. So i think he is i meshed in this. Doesnt mean its criminal. The first link you described, what did these corrupt and antiamerican administrations get out of this. Im glad you mentioned china. For example, hunter is involved in this trust, this Investment Fund with china where his partners included the Bank Of China. Thanks to that, they got duel use technology that has military uses and also able to get a coveted cobalt mine in africa that gives china a real resource in terms of those cobalt, i believe a component in car batteries. So these electric cars that President Biden wants to pus us in, hunters Partnership Helped the chinese get an inside track on that stuff. Thats the kind of thing that you want to be in a deposition like this tracing down. What did they get out of this . Neil yeah and how much. Normally we talk about Something Like that in the donald trump administration, you know, getting huge funds from a Middle Eastern nation. You raise eyebrows. You start saying, all right, how does that happen . Its a different case here. I grant you. The whole appearance of just working off and profiting off of business or political relationships for substantial money, we have seen it so many times, katie. It keeps playing out the same old way. How much of that is impeachable. You guys are the experts. Im not. At the very least, it makes you feel a little ill. Oh, absolutely. Under the u. S. Code in terms of bribery, there doesnt have to by any evidence that joe biden personally received anything of value. Could be for someone elses benefit like his children. Just has to be like andy was saying, theres some official act that was performed to benefit those people. Thats the missing link there. The money going directly to joe biden is really irrelevant. We know money was going to his Family Members. The question is, what was joe biden doing in exchange for that. So really i think the circumstantial case is growing. It has bank strong. You dont need Smoking Gun Evidence but you do have to build that case to some level depending what youre trying to go for, impeachment or otherwise. Its strong evidence, joe bidens involvement. They have to close that loop and whether this testimony did it or not, well see shortly. Im wondering, maybe you can concerned of help me with this, andy. Where this legally goes. In the case of hunter biden, theyre doing to try to tie his Business Dealings for dad and turning his you away while building those relationships. It was involved in long enough and you raised Something Interesting for the dad to have said, stop. Cease and desist. This is ridiculous. That apparently never happened. No. Any up with who has worked anyone who was working the government knows you have this Conflict Of Interest regulation thats precisely aimed at keeping people who have an interest in a transaction out of it. He should have stopped this. He never did. To katies point, im glad she made the point out that bribery. The Internal Revenue service, if you want to pay me, neil, please excellent appearances i do anyone to raise my compensation here, i say to you you know, neil. Dont pay me. I dont need it. Give it to my son. As far as the irs is concerned, that his income to me. This idea that just because the Family Members got paid and the president is in the clear, thats not how it works with a normal suspect an investigation that involves a lot of movement of money. Legally we have so many issues here but id be remiss if i didnt follow up on something we mentioned at the beginning that donald trump still has to come up separately with this 450, 460 million. To continue his appeal. But he does not have all of a sudden leave his business or surrender his empire while all of this is going on. Many have read into that that by forcing him to raise this money quickly but not necessarily sell or detach himself from his business as quickly, its kind of a split win for him. Do you see it that way . I think its a practical solution in an unprecedented circumstance. The Appellate Courts have very strict rules in terms of how things can proceed so in terms of allowing him to practically be able to do this, i think that that was the right sort of solution. I dont think you can read into that as telegraphing some sort of ultimate win in the case upon the appellate review but i think there has to be some sort of practical way for this to move forward and be reviewed and as i mentioned earlier i think the idea that this is an excessive find which is that constitutional argument is something the trump team should raise even at the intermediate appellate level before goes to the Supreme Court which it may or may not ultimately get there because thats a very scenic and an interesting issue that maybe will allow this to be reviewed without all that being put up. This has never before been seen. If the courts have to make some allowances there. Neil could i ask you something on that very same issue. It concerns how these cancel out in the eyes of the public. Your great lawyers. To a lot of folks at home, theres a Hunter Biden Issue of the relationship with dad and whether that was stinky and theres donald trump and his businesses and whether he went too far. The prosecution seems to have gone a little too far in doing something where no harm was incurred by anyone. But im wondering whether they begin to cancel each other out. The American People become either so jaded by this that no matter what legal cases are brought forward, they dont resonate. Much as all the cases that have been brought against donald trump have not dinged his popularity. Far from it. The more cases brought against him have helped his popularity. What do you think . I think that part of the reason the republicans so much wanted to have this Impeachment Inquiry under the auspices of public corruption is so they could have a parallel process going involving biden while trump had to run through this gauntlet of civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions and i do think its been somewhat successful for them in the sense of fame have shown an awful lot of money going into biden and on the other hand, i think the democrats and these prosecutors for the most part are elected progressive democrats, they really overplayed their hand. I think in particular in new york. Most people who look, i believe, most people who look at the civil fraud case and see a gargantuan 454 million judgment under circumstances where they had an 11 week trial and the attorney general couldnt prove a single victim and didnt even have to show criminal intent in order to get what she got and then you factor in that the prosecutors looked at this and decided not to bring a criminal case