This is the story right now. My exclusive oneonone with independent president ial candidate, r. F. K. Jr. We sat down yesterday in East Palestine, ohio. Very interesting conversation with people from that town and with him as well. Well have our wideranging sitdown one day after democrats in michigan warned President Biden that they are open to other options come november. I think he needs to show americans that, that he a lot of these decisions are the product of complex and nuance thought. I do not think that that is happening now. Martha talking about the president s ability to lead and do the job for another four years. But first, hunter biden defiant, but answering questions on the hill right now as we speak. House republicans continue their Impeachment Inquiry in to the president. Hunting telling republicans i did not involve my father in the business. You do not have evidence to support the maga conspiracies about my father because there isnt any, says hunter biden. Earlier this month, his former Business Partner told congress that joe biden was the brand being sold by the biden family. In all of these international venues. Democrats calling the ongoing deposition a feckless price. Watch. What we saw is a rather embarrassing spectacle where the republicans continued to belabor completely trivial points. What we just witnessed over the last hour was i think a deep sea fishing expedition. The republican case has fallen apart. One of their witnesses has been indicted for working with russian tell. Another witness has been indicted for working with chinese intelligence. Another witness is serving a 14year felony sentence. This is fourth and 20 on their own ten. They dont have patrick mahomes. Martha chip roy is participating in hunters deposition today. Hes asked questions as a member of the house judiciary committee. Thanks for joining us today. Great to be on, martha. Martha what is your response to your democratic colleagues that just say this whole thing has completely fallen apart, its an embarrassment for republicans that are pressing this investigation. They wont find anything. Well, this is more of the same from my democratic colleagues. Theyre all trying to hide their radical agenda and trying to dismiss what were seeing in front of us. Theres something in the law as you know, the thing speaks for itself. They want to dismiss all of these things by talking about the witnesses and how they want to disparage them. They dont want to talk about the facts. That nothing we learned today changed questions about the exact Dollar Amount of an expensive sports car going in to Hunter Bidens account. The reality that when it says the big guy, who are they talking about. Theres no good answers to questions like who is the big guy. Theres no good answers to why joe biden was president when he was having these Business Dealings with folks. Theres no response when he was pressed on What In The World was he actually delivering and making all of this money in the tune of millions of dollars going to the biden family from overseas interests, foreign adversaries. My colleagues are breaking house rules. Not just rules that we set up for this deposition. United states house of representatives rules by getting in to the specifics and talking about questions during the deposition. Im going to try to adhere to the house rules and not get in specific but ill speak in broad terms. We didnt learn anything today that does not underscore the serious concerns that we can all see at the evidence sitting in front of us. You can try to dismiss a witness but you cant dismiss when you have text talking about 10 for the big guy, talking about the real concerns that we see in the form of where those dollars are flowing. Can you answer given what you just said, maybe not, but did he say who the big guy is . What is interesting im trying to be careful. While my colleagues violate the rules, im trying to adhere to them. In broad terps, theres actual text there that says 10 to the big guy. Well, i dont know, that could be somebody in the zip code of speculation. Something wanted it 10 . The next defense was, wait a minute. Hes no longer a Public Servant at 48 years. Hes private sector joe biden. Which is it . Without getting into the details, which is it . You know who it is or you dont . We know who it is. Everybody know whose it was. Everybody gets that of course he was selling the brand. You cant hide behind the fact that you had addictions, which god bless him, we hope hes clean and sober but you cant hide behind that and obfuscate what you were doing under the infl influence. Martha i dont think anybody begrudges his personal situation or his addiction. The relevancy is doing these deals with china and ukraine while youre under that situation personally and how they might use that against you. Obviously youd have to dig and come up with the goods on whether or not there was any quid pro quo or they held anything over his head because of that situation. We dont know whether any of that will come out. At one point apparently, he suggested that Jared Kushner should be investigated because of the deal that he did with the saudis. What did you think about that . Well, he certainly is wellwithin his rights to raise whatever he wants to raise. That may have come up. Again, im trying to be careful here. The reality is, what you heard in response from my republican colleagues in broad terms, follow the truth wherever it may lead. Were concerned about any Business Dealings that might raise questions of foreign adversaries having some influence that is improper. The fact is, thats an irrelevant fact. You cant say hey, i didnt know i might be sending something about a text saying my father is next to me. Im not sure about that. Im under the influence. He tried to say, you cant say that in the one hand and then not say, well, how did you know he wasnt sitting next to you . If you cant remember sending the text and then you said he wasnt sitting next how, how do you know . This is what you see. Martha on the one hand, a super astute business man that had lots of knowledge that he could sell overseas or in such a fog that he cant remember whether or not his father was next to him. So i dont know if both of those things can be true. Chip roy, congressman, thanks very much for you insight in to what is going on in there. Good to see you as always. Thank you. Martha coming up, a Story Exclusive with independent president ial candidate rfk jr. And voters in East Palestine, ohio. Nearby battleground pennsylvania, which is just a couple miles away from this horrific scene. Its easy to forget these stories, but its not so easy for the people that lived it, that say that theyve had zero federal help in this situation. They feel completely abandoned despite the president s visit there just a couple weeks ago. Thats why rfk jr. Was there speaking with them about this. We joined him to find out whats going on there as well as they deal with the toxic fallout that is continuing, they say, to make them and their loved ones sick. While theyre fighting up there on the hill, theyre playing politics with any 4yearold daughters life. That is not okay. Martha tempers flare. Also over immigration in athens, georgia. Quite a scene this morning when the mayor came to the podium to try to talk to the people of the town after the murder of 22yearold Nursing Student, laken riley next. I understand in the wake of a great tragedy like this, were all deeply hurt. Everybody expresses their hurt differently. Who voted to make athensclark county a Sanctuary City, sir . Who . 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So how can we undo the damage . We could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. Their connection is unreal. And we could all unexperience this whole session. Okay, thats uncalled for. Martha what an intense scene this morning. I dont know if you saw this live. It was quite something. Protesters shouted down the mayor of athens, georgia after the brutal murder of 22yearold laken riley who went out for a run and never came back to her home. They held signs saying stop lying, blood on your hands. You can see the rest of these. The 22yearold Nursing Student was killed when she went out for a jog last week around an area that college kids go to run all the time. So the feds say the suspect on the righthand side of your screen came here illegally from venezuela. He was arrested in New York City six months ago, which is the point where he should have been deported for breaking the laws of this country, but as we hear too often, that didnt happen. So that has prompted a lot of questions about how our cities are being run, why they are still calling themselves Sanctuary Cities and the mayor of athens got huge blowback today. Watch. No policies have been adopted please stop lying. You need to resign. One protocol resign resign now go away, resign. You allowed this to happen, sir. Martha okay. With that, we bring in chad wolf. Good to have you here, chad. Just an interesting microcosm in one city in america. You hear how very upset at least some of the people were in that room today, chad. What did you make of that . I think theyre right. Theyre right to be upset. Look, most americans are starting to catch on that Sanctuary Cities dont provide sanctuary and make their communities safer. They make them more dangerous at the end of the day. Whether you see that in New York City, philadelphia, chicago, elsewhere, citizens and americans are starting to wake up to this notion. It takes a terrible tragedy like we see here in thens to bring this to the forefront. As acting secretary, during the trump administration, i went to numerous Sanctuary City jurisdictions and trying to talk to the people about how it doesnt protect their communities and talking to Law Enforcement. So this unfortunately is not a new issue. This is something that weve been trying to educate people on, that Sanctuary City policies do not protect the residents of those communities. I think people in athens, georgia, are unfortunately feeling that personally right now. Martha the Attorney General Of Georgia was on Fox And Friends this morning, chris carr. He sort of i think got everyone prepared for what we would later hear when the mayor of athens started to speak. Heres what he said. This is the perfect tragic storm of a failed immigration system, dangerous Sanctuary Cities policies and an environment where d. A. s wont enforce the law such that Law Enforcement feels like they can do its job. I heard about the Press Conference that the mayor will engage in. Hes part of the team that create the Sanctuary Cities that they said they knew better than federal law or state law. Martha chad, we also on top of that just heard from President Biden. He was speaking at the white house about crime and safety in america. He sounded a little bit like what i heard from the mayor in athens this morning who at one point in his statement started to talk about how much safer athens is than other cities and how people should feel like that theyre sort of out of step if they dont have the right numbers and they dont understand that things are better. People dont. What did you think about what President Biden said moments ago . Well, no, americans dont feel that way. You just have to look whats going on on the border, that created a crisis and allowed individuals like the suspect to come in on Parole Program that should have never been in place. Then you have Sanctuary Cities that allow these individuals to be released and dont coordinate with ice to remove these individuals so the American People i think have seen enough and have heard enough and not reassured at this point. They want to see the policies change. Martha you have a majority of americans that want a border wall. 53 now want a border wall that keeps us safe. Chad, thank you very much. Good to have you here. I should mention in my i brought up these issues about whether or not we should have a secure wall at the southern border and what should happen to people that come here illegally and break our laws. I got some very interesting answers from r. F. K. Jr. On this. Youll hear our conversation coming up next. And the message today from President Biden, which i just touched on, about crime. His former Communications Director admits no matter what you say or what you see in the numbers, Many Americans feel unsafe. I dont subscribe to the trump vision of america as a decaying wasteland where packs of people are running wild committing crime. But it is true that people across the country, particularly in cities, are concerned about crime. And so look, the president will he said, we actually said that once that bill was killed by republicans that American People will hear directly from the president. The reason i ask, brownsville is one of the slower sectors. In the month of february, they averaged 17 illegal crossings a day for a little more than 450 in the month. The number 1 sector had more than 14,000 in the same time period. This administration has often criticized republicans when they go to the border and hold Similar Press conferences saying theyre doing Publicity Stunts and photo ops. How is this different . Its very different. What House Republicans have done is nothing. Absolutely nothing. If anything, they consistently get in the way. They consistently get in the way of what the president is trying to do to get more resources. Theyre turning this in to a political stunt by listening to donald trump and saying that they need to kill it. Making it political. The president got his team, directed his team to work with senators, both republicans and democrats, to get a bill done. The president is not going to see the parts of the border where its actually really bad. I think youre missing the point. The point is the president did the work to get a bipartisan bill done. That deals with an issue that the majority of Americans Care about. He did. It dealt with Border Security challenges, dealt with Immigration Policy. He actually did that. Republicans got in the way. They rejected it. What republicans in the house got in the way and rejected because of what they were told by the last president , by donald trump, to kill it. They literally, literally, jacqui, put politics ahead of the American People. Thats what they did. What do you say to people that think this is an Election Year stunt . Finally caring about the border after its been a problem for three years. Heres what id say. On the first day of his administration, he put out a comprehensive Immigration Policy to deal with this issue. He did that the first day. His first piece of legislation. I would hope the American People would see he serious he is about fixing this issue. Not only that, spent four months, four months having a bipartisan conversation doing negotiations to come up with a bill, with a proposal that was, again, approved by the Border Patrol union, right . That supported by the u. S. Chamber of commerce. We dont see that. That is because of the president s direction of what he was able to do because he got involved and worked with republicans and democrats in the senate. And when we got this bill done, by the way that included a lot of things that House Republicans wanted, when we got that done, it was rejected because of politics. I mean, thats where we are. Thats where we are. The president will make that very clear and take it to the American People. Has the president spoken to the young Georgia Student that was murdered at the hands of an undocumented immigrant . First of all, i do want the expend our deepest condolences to the family of laken riley. Im going to be careful about speaking to that case. Id have to refer anything specific to that case to Law Enforcement and obviously ice. The president , i dont have anything regarding to the president s speaking to the family. Martha all right. Coming off of that discussion, i just wanted to hang there for a minute and see if President Biden has spoken to laken rileys family. Sounds like that has not happened yesterday. We also heard from the president earlier on crime in america. He basically said that things are really going so much better than they have in the past. Heres a little piece of that. Watch. Last year, the United States had one of the lowest rates of all Violent Crimes in more than 50 years. Murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery dropped sharply along with burglary, crime and theft. Martha lets bring in paul mauro, retired nypd inspector and gerry baker, host of wall street at large on fox business. Both are fox news contributors. Great to have you with us today. Gerry, your reaction to the president. He came out with a lot of please chiefs. Addressed the nation on the issue of crime. What did you make of it . Yeah, look, theyre trying to tell people what they see in their homes and streets and cities every day is not really happening. Theres a lot of crime here. The numbers some types of time have declined. We had big spike in 2020. Some categories have declined. Overall, serious crime in many major cities like places here in new york, philadelphia, chicago, baltimore, other cities, have seen a serious spike. People are aware of this. You cant tell people what is happening is actually not happening. What they can see happening before their eyes. Its the same these political stunts, i mean, i applaud Karine Jeanpierre there for doing an impersonation of someone trying to sell someone a dead horse. Everybody knows theres an Immigration Crisis. Everybody knows theres a serious problem with crime in this country. Telling people that it doesnt exist, telling people that blaming the republicans for the Immigration Crisis or saying crime is fine, declining and the country is fine and we dont have a Crime Problem is a denial of reality. People dont buy it. Martha lets take a look, paul, at a couple videos. We grabbed a couple. I could take up most of the shw showing these videos of smash and grabs. A venezuelan migrant grabbing this womans purse. We have a nexus here in the criminal justice world that the administration doesnt want to confront. President biden came out today, gave this long speech regarding crime and how much safer were all supposed to feel without once addressing not only laken riley but obviously immigration and the fact that we have organized venezuelan gangs here that go back to the old country. The nypd made a big arrest. But who is absent . Doj. These are International Level organized crimes groups. Theyre mia because it doesnt work politically because it goes down to the migration issue. Expect more willful blindness. This is a problem for us. Martha thats one thing i dont care about. Why do we care . Thats their problem. Why do we put up these countries saying were not going to take them back . Not only that, we pay for them to come here. According to the center of immigration studies. The ngos are funded by american taxpayer money and its the ngos bringing them. Were paying for our own invasion. Martha gerry, big event at the border tomorrow. President biden will be in eagle pass. President biden is going to brownsville. Why brownsville . Hardly any illegal crossings and he can say theres no problem here. Its another part of this denial of reality problem. Paul is right. We have this Nexus Of Migration and crime. This obviously this terrible murder of laken riley. Our hearts go out to her family and our prayers are with her and her family. That is what is so striking about that story, not that just the Prime Suspect is the illegal immigrant but the fact that he was released having committed crime here in New York City. Thanks, again this goes way beyond just the immigration problem. Thanks to these soft on crime policies that many of our cities have where they socalled Sanctuary City where theyre not going to move to when someone, an illegal migrant commit as serious crime, theyre not going to do anything to cooperate with Immigration Authorities to get that person out of this country because they dont belong in this country. Instead what happens, theyre allowed to carry on. He disappears and goes to alleged to be the killer of laken riley. Its an indictment of the failed Immigration Policies of this administration and its an indictment of these soft on crime prosecutors, Sanctuary Cities, Law And Order, so and called Law And Order policies. Martha i only have a minute. I want to ask you about your reaction to senator mitch mcconnell, the longest serving leader, republican leader in the senate. Announced today as of november he will be leaving the senate. Your thoughts. Yeah, its been a long run for mitch mcconnell. Hes had a rough time the last year. Weve seen that. Hes fallen out with President Trump at various points. Looks like he will endorse him. He was one of the great sort of manipulators of the senate. I mean that in the best possible way. He was a master tactician. He managed to get probably most memorably, Supreme Court nominations that wouldnt have gone through. This country owes one Supreme Court nomination to Mitch Mcconnells genius in handling the senate. He has a good record overall. Hes ability to get the results that conservatives wanted. He was a master at it. Martha hes leaving leadership. I wanted to be clear. Thanks, gerry, paul. Thanks for joining us this afternoon. Coming up, an interview that youll only see on the story with independent president ial candidate rfk jr. And voters who are still dealing with the impact of one year agos toxic Train Derailment in East Palestine, ohio. Youll hear their voices. Theyre very powerful. I promise you. Theyll speak about how they feel about their government, the response, all of that next. Rfk jr. Is in that conversation and then hour oneonone coming up. If i get elected in november, im going to find the people responsible for this. Im going to identify them. Why were you doing that . Who told you to do that . Who told you to avoid finding stuff . Im going to find out who those people are. Im going to hold them responsible. Bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. With caplyta, theres a chance to let in the lyte™. Caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. Unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. 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So we were on the ground yesterday in East Palestine where was joined by rfk jr. Hes of counsel with a firm that represents some of the victims in this case, not the people we spoke to there but their cases against Norfolk Southern. Also a president ial candidate. So we got a take from ohio and pennsylvania voters just a few miles away over the border. Watch this. Let me start with lori and wayne who are joining us from pennsylvania today. Youre just 3 1 2 miles away, right . Yes. Thats correct. Yes. Martha what can you tell us . Well, when it happened, we were dumbfounded. We didnt know what was going on. All we heard was sirens. We were all in bed. Fast forward, we started getting burning in the lips, watery eyes, nauseated. And dry mouth, dry lips. Fast forward 18 weeks after the train was blown up unnecessarily, i might add, thats been proven, i was diagnosed with breast cancer. So july 10th of 2023, i had to have a double mastectomy. Since then, ive gone through four rounds of chemotherapy. Our daughter, 24 years old, shes asking us questions like am i going to be allowed can i have children after this . We dont have the answers. We dont know. Shes due to be tested as well next month. She fears cancer. She does ask us, am i going to be okay . Am i going to be able to have children . Am i going to get cancer . We cant answer those questions for her. Because we dont know. Martha i want to play a sound bite. This is President Biden who has just visited recently about a year later. Lets listen to this. Let me be clear, while there are acts of god, this was an act of agreed that was 100 preventible. Let me say it again. An act of agreed that was 100 preventible. These Railroad Counts have to do this safely. Norfolk southern failed. Martha what is your reaction when you listen to that, linda . I honestly dont know. I really dont believe anything that anybody says anymore. Biden he had gone on to say, that were going to continue receiving the assistance that they have been providing all along. Were not getting assistance from local government, from county, from state, from federal. Were not getting anything. So basically what he said is were going to keep doing nothing. Martha what do you say to that, mr. Kennedy . I like mr. Bidens pledge that hes going to hold Norfolk Southern responsible. But this occurred because the failure of government. Norfolk southern was paying its executives 80 of their salary comes from reducing costs. Thats where their bonuses comes from. The company should be criminally charged for what it did to this community. It was an act of theft. It stole the property values, stole the health, stole The Pursuit Of Happiness from this wonderful community. They stole our lives. Yeah, stole the lice of people. Martha all of you were nodding your heads. How does it impact how you look at this election . You know, we have seen so many people that have come through this community over the last year. Many of them have been just selfserving. They have used this as an opportunity for their own personal professional growth, not nothing genuine. We have seen a few. We have seen a few genuine folks come in that have wanted to help us. But were so tired of hearing theyre going to make it right. We want specifics. Our human health, you know, its not a red or bluish you. This is an issue of human lives. Politics has no business in this issue when it comes to childrens lives. You know, the thing that i say kind of what she said, boots on the ground, thats the problem. They dont know what is going on at the federal level. You have to be connected to the people. Martha let me ask you, mr. Kennedy. If this happened and you were president , what would you do on day one . Do you evacuate the town . Do you let people go back . What do you do . Well, preliminarily, we need to unravel the corporate capture, dot, that allowed this to happen. Right now you know, President Biden says that hes going to fix this problem. Hold them responsible. Why isnt the Attorney General investigating this and filing criminal charges . This is a crime. What happened here . This whole town is a crime scene. What i would love to see President Biden say is to come in and say, you know, this happened because of a failure of government. This happened because these agencies are corrupt. Im not going to tolerate it anymore. Im going to expose the people and fire the people who are not doing the proper testing. Im going to prosecute the people who are responsible with the outset. Instead of kind of a vague promise that were going to take care of everybody. Martha i want to thank all of you for joining us today. Sharing your stories here. Theres nothing like meeting people that have been through this first hand and helping all of us understand your stories. So thank you. Martha yeah, they talked about the fact that they believe the epa is in bed with Norfolk Southern. So they do the tests and they say the tests came back fine. Then they bring in their own independent testers that give them different information. You can see why theyre so frustrated. We ask Norfolk Southern for an update how theyre helping the residents of East Palestine. They told the story weve been on the ground since day one. We had a promise to make it right. Were keeping our promises. To date, the company has committed 104 million to the community, completed remediation and made work on water and Health Commitments according to the company. You can hear the whole conversation which i really encourage you to do. Its very compelling. More of my interview with rfk jr. And what he says about President Bidens fitness for office and also his efforts to secure the southern border. That is next. We should end the Catch And Release program and have a cap and return program at the border. Martha build a wall . Some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you, with allstate. Not one based on paul. You dont want to ride with paul. Or sarah, not today anyway. And you dont want a rate based on ben, hes got some important business to take care of. Why would you pay a rate based on anyone else . With allstate, youre connected to a rate based on you. From pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dogs food to the farmers dog, the effects can seem like magic. But theres no magic involved. dog bark its just smarter, healthier pet food. Its amazing what real food can do. Martha now back to my conversation with independent president ial candidate, Robert Kennedy jr. For his battle to get on the ballot in more states, the accusations that hes a Spoiler Candidate and what he would do about what he says is the crisis at the border. Hes been there twice in recent months. Martha so youre on three State Ballots right now. How will you get on the others . You started your own We The People Party and a libertarian area where you could get on ballots in that way as well. What is the plan and how quickly will it happen . Were going to be announcing new states every week from now on. Were way ahead of our benchmarks. We will be on the ballot in 50 states and the direct of columbia. We have i think we have 80,000 volunteers now on the ground. Were finding it extraordinarily easy actually to persuade people to sign and were ahead of all of our expectations. Martha what do you say to those that say youre just a spoiler . You were critical of ralph nader, saying that he was going to hurt the environment by handing the election to george w. Bush. What do you say to those that say youre in the same position . I hope to be a spoiler for both President Trump and President Biden. I hope to take votes from each of them and win the election. Martha so you dont consider yourself a spoiler . No. Im not here to do anything except to win. Martha President Biden was in an ice cream shop. He was asked about gaza. He said, while eating ice cream, oh, theres going to be a cease fire by the weekend. Not the weekend, right after the weekend. And its not the first time that weve heard him take on serious Foreign Policy issues in that light environment. We dont hear a lot in terms of laying out his thinking on some of these big Foreign Policy issues. What do you think about his candidacy at this point . I think he needs to come out of the white house and show americans that he has a cognitive capacity and mental acutie to handle his job that is challenging time now at least in recent American History where facing issues that are existential, were involved in two wars. We have ai coming down, which is going to change everything. Theres enormous dangers in it. We need and we have an economic crisis in this country. The middle class is disappearing. Its been torpedoed. 57 of the americans cant put their hands on 1,000. Where an entire generation of kids cant buy a home, this is a crisis. We need a president that is thinking about these things. Who is articulating the solution for the American People. Martha do you not have confidence that he can serve . I think he needs to show americans that. A lot of these decisions are on the products of complex and nuanced thought. Those thoughts need to be articulated to the American People in a way that we all support him. I do not think that thats happening now. Our childrens lives are dependent on that 3 00 a. M. Call. We need to know that we have a president that can wake up in the middle of the night and who is on his feet and thinking about those things. Im not i dont think i think a lot of americans have lost confidence in that. Martha so youre saying you dont think hes in charge . You know what . I have a personal issue, which is my Secret Service protection. I have known President Biden for 40 years. He was a friend. With all of the issues about, you know, him, he was somebody that i thought at least had a fundamental decency. And the fact i just dont believe that he would have personally made the decision to deny me from Secret Service protection. I think somebody else is making those decisions. Martha so youve been supportive of israels battle in gaza. What about now . Would you be encouraging israel to stop the bombing in gaza or do you support as netanyahu has called for that they have to finish the job and eliminate hamas . You know, i think israel has a right to defend themselves. Hamas says we dont want to negotiate. They want the annihilation of israel, the extermination of the jews and that part of the world. So im not a fan of benjamin netanyahus. I dont think most israelis are. Most israelis are israel today is unified because they feel embattled, feel this is an existential risk to them. Its a complex issue and its not easy. But we have to look at what is how do you avoid civilian deaths over the longterm just immediately. Martha theres some discussion that joe biden could lose the vote in michigan based on a stance that is very similar to the one that you just presented. Because he could lose 200,000 muslim voters in michigan. Michigan is a state that you just put on the list of one you might win. Is that going hurt you there . I think we need to make that distinction that hamas is not the friend of the palestinian people. Hamas is the abuser of the palestinian people. We need to point to hamas. When we see civilian deaths which are happening, which are horrific, unacceptable, we need to understand that hamas is at fault. Martha let me ask you this. With regard to the border, there is a Battle On Capitol Hill right now that conservatives many conservatives believe that you should secure the border before you send another dollar to help ukraine. Do you agree with that . I mean, i think the ukrainian war should be ended. I think i wouldnt necessarily couple those issues, but i think that the ukraine war is a war of choice. That its a war that is easily settled. And that we should not be spending any more money in ukraine. We need that money here. Martha do you believe that any person who has crossed the border and commits a crime should be deported from this country . Of course. Of course. They should be deported. The major thing is to shut down the border that we can do overnight. You know, through a combination of policy, reinstating the migrant protect act, which requires people who coming through with asylum claims that their case be adjudicated in mexico, not the United States. We should end the Catch And Release program. Have a catch and return program at the border. Martha build a wall . We need the wall. We need a physical barrier as a wall in the urban areas and places where migrants can disappear very quickly and we need other infrastructure including monitoring, long range cameras, lights, fences and a lot of the other areas. You dont need a wall 2,200 miles from brownsville, texas to san diego. You need a monitoring system. We have those in place. The Biden Administration dismantled them. Martha a lot more there. You can hear the entire discussion with the panel in East Palestine and also my 1 on one with robert f. Kennedy jr. On the untold story podcast. Both of those will be available, a double podcast drop this friday. I encourage you to listen to it at foxnewspodcasts. Com. This Breaking News while we showed you that. We now have an update on former President Trumps appeal and his new york civil fraud verdict. An Appellate Judge has rejected his request to put a pause on the 454 million civil fraud penalty. The president did win his request to temporarily delay rulings that banned him from running a business in New York State and taking out loans from new york banks. With that, we bring in jonathan turley, Constitutional Law Attorney and fox news contributor. Jonathan, bit of a Split Decision there for the former president. His attorneys pushed this delay on the grounds that this amount is so enormous that it is exorbitant and punitive were their words. What did you think about this decision . Well, it does give him a little breathing room. Its still leaves him with a rather onerous burden. But the decision of the lower court in my view was unfair. The judge imposed an unprecedented penalty under this law for this type of conduct. In fact, none of views seen this law applied in this way. By doing so, you not only hit trump with this massive award, but required trump to put the money up front under a separate rule, which requires you to deposit money or to get a bond. Then trump was hit with a 30day deadline to do so. And then on top of that, he was unable to do business with some of the new york banks. Most of us felt that that was really beyond the pale. At some point it becomes c confiscatory just to bring an appeal. If youre contesting an order taking your home, you shouldnt have to sell your home to appeal that order. But people like Attorney General james were talking about precisely that. Shes Naming Properties that she might seize or he might sell just to get the Court Of Appeals to look at this opinion. So it is a mixed victory for trump. But it does give him some more options he didnt have before. Shes very gleeful about this situation that hes in right now. She said, you know, i look up at 60 Wall Street every day. If he sells that, he could solve this problem. Shes also putting on her x account every day the newly a crewed amount, including the new interest that happens daily on this amount. Does he have any further recourse on this amount in your opinion, which is due in a couple weeks now. Yeah, its very hard in order to get a further review. He can ask for it. I do think that he has very good grounds here to say that this was an excessive award and also the conditions for appeal are beginning to shock the conscious, at least they should. So i think he can push further. Hes unlikely to succeed with the Court Of Appeals. Martha its extraordinary. The largest single judgment against any individual i believe in American History in this decision here against the former president. Its a victimless crime as they have admitted in this court. They came up with an exorbitant judge in his opinion. Thanks. He will get that appeal. Thats the key. He has to come up with the money. Martha thanks, jonathan. Thats the story for today. Ill see you on the five tonight