las vegas, we are getting scant evidence of how much shooting was going on. the suspected shooter has been, quoting police officials, located and is now deceased. we don't know the number of victims, another that it is multiple victims. this occurred an hour ago, first report of shots being fired at beam hall, the elite business center. this is miles from one of the worst mass shootings at the music 91 music festival. this does not look anything like that and we pray it doesn't approach that. it occurs a little more than a month after the attack at lewiston, maine, that took 18 lives. let's go to jonathan hunt with the latest, what he is learning and what we can say about the casualties and what they are finding out. jonathan. >> jonathan: 3:04 east coast time and 12:04 we got word from metro police department there was active shooter on campus of university of nevada las vegas in the heart of the city of vegas, couple of blocks from mgm grand and off the strip. police said there was an active shooter and there were multiple victims. the university sent out alerts warning students to run, hide, fight in all caps, run, if they can, hide if they can, fight if they have to, that terrible warning we see so often to students on so many campuses and so many grade schools over the last few years. within about 30 minutes, we got word from the police in las vegas that the shooter had been located and "is deceased," what we do not know from police at this point is whether the suspect was killed in a shootout with police officers, whether he was killed in a shootout with any armed security that might be on the campus of unlv or whether he perhaps killed himself. we're waiting to get details. we would expect given the situation is in the words of vegas police department contained. we expect to hear from them in some sort of press conference. what we do not know is how many victims there were. they have only told us multiple victims, we do not know the condition of the victims, whether there are minor injuries, serious injuries or at worst, if there are fatalities in this shooting. we do know one piece of good news we have from police, the shooter was located and is dead, according to the las vegas police department. we heard from several students coming to cameras in the immediate aftermath of getting out of the scene. they said they were terrified. they heard shots, in some cases they saw bullet holes and they were evacuated from beam hall, home of the lee business school and the student union, the two buildings on next to each other on the campus of unlv. in the early going here, it is always difficult to be sure of the exact location of the shooting, that is information we will get from unlv. the campus is slightly north of las vegas airport and there was a ground stop on all aircraft there at the airport. we assume that is being lifted gradually and air traffic will begin to move again. look at the map on your screen, just to the bottom left is the airport and directly to the left, couple of blocks west, that is where you hit the strip. the mgm grand on the corner there. this is the heart of las vegas and terrible situation for a city scarred by the awful shooting at mandalay bay just six years ago, 58 people killed in that shooting, as you mentioned. what we understand from police, the headlines, the suspect is dead, there are multiple victims, we do not know the condition of the victims at this point, neil. >> neil: do we know the shooter's connection to the school? why he was there. beam hall is home of the lead business school, did he have a connection to the school. >> jonathan: police have given nothing on that so far, we expect to get details on any connection in an upcoming news conference. they are saying nothing about the identity or potential motive of the shooter and witnesses we've heard of, the students, none of them have said anything about seeing the shooter, him or herself and they -- we don't know anything to be perfectly blunt, neil, about the shooter or the motives at this point. >> neil: you mentioned a single shooter, are they talking about possibility of others or if the individual was acting alone? >> jonathan: they only said the suspect, singular issue was located and is dead, they used singular. then we heard reports from on campus that police were still active, we got the alert again from the university of las vegas that it was an active situation and asking students to remain, to continue to shelter in place. certainly there appear to be ongoing police activity, we have heard nothing official about there being more than one shooter. only thing we have from the police department is reference to a singular suspect and that singular suspect being dead, neil. >> neil: jonathan hunt, thank you, we will impress upon you for updates. great job on this. we're trying to piece this together, all of this going down about an hour ago, about three after the hour. little over -- after 3:00 at the same time here. one thing we're trying to piece together is timing of this and how quickly the university of nevada las vegas sent out message to students. this is not a test, the university wrote. run, hide, fight. las vegas police said in a separate post on twitter or x, there appear to be multiple victims and people should shelter in place. a good many did, but there was some confusion on this campus of 30,000 students where to go or what to do, if they were on the street or walking around this massive campus. randy, what do you make of what you heard thus far? the shooter has been taken out, we don't know if he had accomplices, we know he's no longer alive. we don't know the damage he might have done. >> that is it, it is early in the investigation, neil. and very dynamic situation. when you have multiple victims and we don't know the scope of the area that the shooter involved himself in. could be just one building, could be on the exterior of the building, we don't know the facts yet. as you said, law enforcement, las vegas metropolitan police department, even though unlv has their own police department and they would have responded, as well. the las vegas metropolitan police department, we don't know if there are casualties yet. they are the investigating agencies. >> neil: las vegas police, to your point, there were multiple victims, we don't know much more than that. we know that they were quick to get the word out, what is protocol to prevent shooting count from rising, to keep people safe? many are told to shelter in place, they are outside, they don't know where to go. steer me through that process, how you alert folks? >> you know, as you know, active shooters have become a so commonplace, if you will, that college campuses like unlv, they have plans that go into effect. they have very effective way of putting the word out. still there is people that are going to have cell phones -- >> neil: hold on, hold that thought, a witness to this event is speaking. >> an event going on with legos, to help students with study week take their mind off studying. i west to the restroom and got the notification there was a shooting in bh, right across from student union, i was scared, what do i do here? i heard adults saying to shelter in place, stay in your spot, don't move. i heard lock the doors. i was waiting there and 10 minutes, heard loud bangs, oh, no, this could be like a horrible situation. fortunately for me, it was police and they entered the restroom and saw my back on the floor and were like hands up. i had to come out of the restroom, they were checking my bag if i had anything on me, they let me out of the student union and i walked over here to safety and i saw another reporter that said there were shots fired in student union, i was lucky to get out of there. it was scary situation, i was by myself in the restroom. >> talk about the emotion, confusion, fear? >> definitely fear, i've only see this happen in the movies or elsewhere, i never thought it would happen in my own community. it was terrifying, i didn't know what to do. i can't get out of the restroom. if i stay here, oh. fortunately the police came in and took me to safety. >> how long were you inside? >> a good 20 minutes, terrified, i didn't know what to do. >> now you have been able to step back and process what is going on, what is running through your mind about everything you witnessed and wbt through. >> i'm like, what drove someone to do this. we all come here to get an education issue get a career. i don't know if it was an altercation or planned, just scary, man. i wouldn't want anyone to go through this, i can't imagine those that got hurt, the victims, family of those victims. i am okay, a lot of my friends are being okay. scary situation. >> have you been able to text and communicate with your friends and everything is fine? >> yes, a lot of them didn't come to school or were on their way to school and they went back. from my side, no one was hurt, as far as i know. >> the last question, is this going to affect tomorrow for you, when you go back to school? >> definitely. if we have the option, i'm staying home. yeah. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> neil: all right, this shows confusion, these are kids going to school. they are just trying to learn something and to grow and get the education to go out in life and something like this happens. total confusion, when word broke 11:59 a.m. that the school had been updated by university police, they were responding to confirmed active shooter in the area and repeated several times, this is not a test. police confirming officers were responding to active shooter on campus. another eyewitness is speaking now. >> don't come to the lab, there is a shooting. my family heard, i am from tuniza. i live here by myself. hopefully two weeks later, i will go back. i was able to check my friends were okay in the lab. i was worried, there was a lot of people in the engineering lab, i was worried and just on my way to the lab and fortunately, normally should be in the lab at 10:00 a.m., but i didn't go. my friends were there, i was worried. when you received the text, what was going through your mind? >> first message, no, i thought it was a joke or they were going to make a surprise in the lab. messages, okay, this really happened. i was asking why, just why, because i hope there is no victims and we don't know if there are victims or not. all the people in the student center are good, i was fortunate i wasn't there. imagine being locked in the restroom, that would have been terrifying. >> the last question i have for you is, when you were standing here next to me and saw all the police cars and fire trucks, what goes through your mind? >> i was scared and i can't like explain it, it was really scared, i received the message when i was here. i saw this before i saw the bodies and -- seen my messages. maybe someone died, maybe an attack, i read the message and i was praying for all the families. -- >> anything else you want to add? >> thank you. >> thank you. >> neil: a witness can recount what happened over last hour and 15 minutes or so. las vegas metropolitan police department is expected to update this. there were reports of active shooter at university of nevada at las vegas issue the shooter is now dead. it occurred near beam hall, lead business school, an acclaimed business school. police said multiple victims, we have not heard updates on the victim matter. we hope initial reports might have been mistaken. police say the suspect has been located and dead and appeared to operate alone. they are not looking for other suspects. i'm reading this on the wire. randy sutton back with us, former las vegas police officer. timeline was such, people were rapidly informed in enough time to save themselves from harm's way. there was very little to go on and still very little to go on. what do you make of it? >> for sure. then again, remember, this has just taken place a little over an hour ago. so dissemination of the information is still being -- probably still being gleaned. when you have multiple victims and multiple rooms in a building, all rooms have to be cleared and surrounding area cleared by officers. it is a dynamic situation. you have multiple jurisdictions and the various jurisdictions has to be tight or it will lead to more confusion. i know we want instant gratification and want to know what happened. i'm sure metropolitan police will issue a pres report within an hour, i would guess. the police response was massive. the suspect is deceased. i think if law enforcement would have been the cause of his being deceased, we probably would have heard that by now. as you know, when active shooter situations take place and police respond in the way they do, often these individuals will take their own lives as -- once we know who the individual is and possible motivation, then we'll know a lot more information. >> neil: the university or surrounding area doesn't appear to be in lockdown, can i read into that to carry on or would they still be in shelter in place command? >> that would be up to unlv in concert with metro. metro would give advice if they feel this situation is contained and that people can go about their normal lives. however, if they're still clearing the buildings, they wouldn't want those in the surrounding building to be confusing the scene. we don't know the scope of the scene, what is the initial assault that took place, did it take place outside or inside and that will govern the size of the crime scene and the area which will have to be processed. in a situation where there are mass casualties, forensic examination are vital to the investigation and complicated greatly when there are multiple scenes as this appears to be. >> neil: when on a university site, i remember virginia tech, i think 28 were killed in that tragic attack and that took a long time to unlock and clear the area, they were going floor by floor, i believe in the engineering school and it went on for, i believe, hours, before they were given or students were given the green light to proceed as normal. so the school officials will give us better idea, as will police, about the timeline of this. if it were localized to this business school home there, i don't know the size of that facility, it's a big school. that comes into play, as well, if you're trying to clear an area that size, it could take some time. >> absolutely right and also the search for victims. each room has to be carefully screened and making entry into those rooms, has to be done skillfully for the officer safety and also safety of contamination of the scene. all that plays into the professionalism of the agency and response to this. it comes down to the information that comes out about the victims and this is critical. are there deceased victims or are the victims injured and been removed to the hospital. this is what we don't know and this will be germane to how this police response continues in the next few hours. >> neil: it is interesting and you sadly covered and addressed these things in the past, a lot of people knee-jerk reaction, or students, how they respond, wondering why they are smiling or nervous, there is distinction between stages of grief versus initial stage of shock when something like this happens and that does seem to be maybe like a common nervous response. i've seen it, these are just kids we're talking about, who can't grasp magnitude of what just happened and what they just dodged themselves and then it processes and it is a hell of a process. >> you are 100% right. dealing with a traumatic situation like this, everyone reacting differently and there are no wrong reactions, let me put it that way. sometimes we tend to judge others when we see something that doesn't jibe with our reaction to trauma. we've often seen people react in ways that almost seem bizarre considering the situation. but one thing i've learned, not just law enforcement officer, one who deals with trauma of other law enforcement officers with wounded blue, i see and know everyone processes trauma differently. one thing to keep inment, the way you process trauma is right for you and we have to be cognizant of that because otherwise once we begin second-gessing our response to trauma that can lead to other complications. >> neil: glad you said that, it is different for each one of us, we react differently, there is no right or way, we are all human. stay there, if you can, another witness talking about what he saw. >> what did it sound like? >> sounded like loud banging, bang, bang, bang over. after a few shots, it kind of stopped, i'm not sure if he was more open, not sure. >> what were your feelings? what was going through your mind when you started putting the pieces together? >> at first, disbelief, i heard the news and started laughing, i didn't think it was real. i think at first it was stress onset and as it went on, some fear as the texts come in and the last sentence is not anything but hide, fight or run. there is a shooter, do whatever you can, you are on your own. that is the message it feels like was given. what are you supposed to do as a student? you don't feel safe or comfortable. what is the point in having campus police, police on campus that we pay so much and first response is not we are working on the situation, try to stay calm and stay where you are, no, prepare to fight, if you need to. what country is that the case where you are learning, prepare to fight for your life. >> now you have had a couple moments to reflect on the entire scenario with the police and the dent, what are your thoughts? >> my main feeling is i thinkaer, i do not know how to put it nicely, anger at the police. someone -- they are supposed to deescalate. everyone there gathered on the sidewalk enter and yelling and make everyone drop to the floor, scared the hell out of everyone, what is the point in that. we thought we were going to be in an active hostage situation because of how the police entered and it wasn't until you cross the door and you see it is police, it is fine. you are still nerves are on edge entire time and it is just anger at the system that allow this to happen so much, like what is the point in trying to reach higher education, go into debt you have to pay off and the government will not -- >> neil: one angry young man's reaction to how this was handled by university of nevada, different reaction from different folks, human nature to look at same reaction you had from others who said university and police had immediate and methodical response, this young man felt the opposite. it is possible some others are not, we know there are multiple victims, trying to find out more, this shooting occurred an hour and a half ago. we know the shooter has been taken out, we don't know by suicide, his own gun or by police. we are minutes away from an update on all of this. this is a big school, the university of nevada at las vegas. the business school is big, about 30,000 plus students and should add physically a huge campus, 350 acres. if that was to be locked down or shelter in place, that is a large area to cover. jonathan hunt has more on that. >> jonathan: neil, listening to that student, you were mentioning different reaction and nobody has the right to judge somebody who just come out of this trauma. that student said of text messages from the university officials, you are learning and then they tell you, prepare to fight and that is the reality for students caught up in this shooting and every one we have seen on campuses and grade schoolings across the country, that is message they get, run, fight and hide, run if you can, fight if you have to. we know from this situation, the university police and the las vegas police department all responding quickly and within by my calculation about 30 minutes of us getting first word of this active shooter. the police were telling us they had located the suspect and the suspect was dead. so they moved pretty quickly. i want to point out that the university just, 18 minutes ago, put out another statement via their internal alert system that said this. continue to shelter in place. police services continue to respond and clear buildings systematically. that was 19 minutes and another one 10 minutes prior to that saying to continue to shelter in place. it doesn't appear there is another suspect on the loose, they have only referred to a suspect in singular, a suspect they confirmed is now dead. as randy was saying, this is a big operation, they have to go room by room and check the rooms, not just for any other potential shooters, we don't believe there were, they need to check the rooms for booby traps that may be left behind, they have to find and check all rooms for potential victims, as well. we are still awaiting information on how many victims there were or all we have from the police they said there appear to be "multiple victims," and we don't know about numbers or condition of the victims. all that we should hear moments from now. you see the microphones set up screen left, we believe we will hear from mike mayhill of the las vegas police department and from one of the university police department officers who has been on the scene. we expect to hear from them and they will answer questions about confirming it was one suspect as they have said and telling us more about the victims, neil. >> neil: what i found rem remarkable, you have had to cover too many of these, not judging reaction you get from students and others, just grasping enormity of what they witnessed and dodged themselves. it is understandable you get >> dr. swain: reactions and sometimes nervous reaction and nervous. >> jonathan: we saw that in the first three or four students who came to the cameras after getting out beyond the scene, there was laughter there. any of us who had the misfortune to of coer shooting incidents, you often hear laughter, it is born out of adrenalin and relief of getting away from the scene and knowing you are alive and well. you can get a range of reactions and it is not for any single one us to judge how anybody reacts in the immediate aftermag of a absolutely terrifying situation for anyone anywhere near the shots being fired. >> neil: thank you for all of that. we'll go back to you in a second. we are waiting for police to give a report. you have been hearing and assessing this, what do you make of it? >> you know, neil, what i make of it is that the university of las vegas there in nevada had a protocol system in place and that protocol system may very well have saved many lives because they were able to do was through social media and other processes to be able to notify the various students there and to alert them to do the three things we've heard over and over and i have to repeat them. run, hide and fight, if it is necessary. and the students were able to do that, gave law enforcement time to get there, able to neutralize the shooter. when i say neutralize him, we know he is dead, we don't know if it is a self-inflicted gunshot wound or how he was neutralized. i got to tell you, i'm elated with what they did and manner and speed they operated on there at the university. >> neil: you are getting various reports, one comes in, try to hang our hat on it and another comes out that makes you think, maybe the issue how the shooter died is not clear. police said the suspect was found dead wednesday as officers responded to active shooter moment and talked about multiple victims, whether that is from police on the scene or being passed along with other students who said, as much. as you remind me, ted, and talking to jonathan about this, like he, you have covered and experienced more of these than anyone should. this is typical, we will get reports that will change from the original one and a lot of second guessing whether a lockdown was in order, whether that is different from shelter in place. on campus of this size, 350 acres, it is feasible to do that. what do you think of the process? it takes a while, hope to get answers soon. it is tough. >> yeah, there is always unfortunately in these circumstances, conflicting information that is put out and that is the reason it is significant and important for law enforcement to get to the microphone and put out the actual scenario of what had took place there. i suspect that they are getting their thoughts together and should be before the cameras any time to give us information because as you say, neil, it is a very stressful thing being in a shoot out, i have been in shoot outs and i know how stressful that can be. it can be very stressful to students and as you said earlier and i heard your guest speaking about the laughter and the manner in which the students were processing what took place there. i don't think we should glean anything from that because everybody handles situations differently. >> neil: hang on, my friend, presser is starting, let's listen in. >> officers are going unit by unit, building by building with university police and rest of the police officers and firefighters, ems to check for additional victims and subjects, we'll be back to provide information. >> i have an update on the website fac, of southern nevada.org. >> we'll have future briefings at headquarters, future briefings will be at headquarters. >> neil: we didn't get much detail there, there is a website to get more information, they did not detail what we talked about, the shooter is dead. we join a minute or two late, trying to discern if they said he was shot or what, the timeline seems suspect, we are trying to work backward to see what the case is. back to jonathan hunt. jonathan. >> jonathan: the sheriff, kevin mayhill saying they continue to go building by build ing. it is important, he did not mention about looking for another suspect, he said, "we are looking for additional victims," i did not get anything from him on the number of victims they know of. i'm not sure that may have been spoken to before we got to the news conference, i didn't personally hear anything. it would appear to confirm what we're talking about, there was a single suspect, that suspect is now dead, they continue to process the scene and that is why the university, just again, a couple minutes ago, put out another alert asking students to shelter in place until they are cleared, specifically by police officers. in other words, when police get to that room, any specific room and they say okay, follow us out, go this way and police will process each room. his imperative, it seemed, neil, from the sheriff, they are looking for "additional victims," they are not as far as we understand at this point, looking for further suspects. the one suspect the police mentioned, they found and that suspect is dead. i did not get from the news conference whether the suspect was killed in a shootout with police officers or armed security or whether the suspect killed him or herself. at this point, we don't have that, we don't have the gender of the shooter. we assume the shooter is male, we do not at this point have that confirmed. >> neil: we got a lot of that from the two young females who had -- said they saw a gentleman being placed in a car, might have had nothing to do with this. we leaped on that to say it is a male, thank you for clarifying that. jonathan, one other thing i found interesting and maybe i'm making a big deal of this, too focused on semanhtics. >> jonathan: the comment was in terms of additional victims, was they are going building by building, looking for additional victims, not confirmation there are additional victims. there were at least some victims. again, we don't have information about numbers yet and it is relatively slow in these situations in terms of getting that information. normally by now and we are sadly used to situations, we would have initial reports of numbers. i and the entire team don't have anything on numbers at this point and critically for parents who are waiting to hear from their children at the unlv, we don't have anything about conditions of the victims. all we have is parent confirmation that there are multiple victims, neil. >> neil: thank you for that. back to ted williams. ted, maybe you can help with this, because perusing social media sites on part the unlv and las vegas police, they are apparently telling anyone on campus to continue sheltering in place and repeating again this is an active investigation. if the shooter has been taken down and immediate danger is gone, why would they do that? >> well, it is questionable whether the immediate danger has been resolved. we know this shooter is down. what they are doing is methodically going from building to building to try to determine if there are other victims in the buildings. you spoke earlier about the virginia tech shooting many years ago and neil, i was there on virginia tech campus and covered that shooting for fox and i can tell you that they found victims in other buildings, other than the building where the initial shooting was alleged to have taken place. this is just law enforcement acting out of abundance of caution. there is still confusion as to what they have. they know this one shooter is down, i guess there are questions about whether there may be other individuals that were involved in this shooting. we don't know any of that right now and all of that is part of the investigation. the way we have to look at this, entire campus at this time is a crime scene and they are treating it as such until they are able to give an all clear to the students, they want them to shelter in place. >> neil: you know, i was jogging my memory with the virginia tech shooting, teds and memory serves me right and you were there, you know far more, it was a grad student that had a connection to the school. is there or do you think there could be a connection here to the shooter and the school and the people shot? >> you know, you are right, it was in virginia tech a grad student that went in and shot up that educational building. this case, i would have to believe this stage that law enforcement have been able to make some kind of identification of the shooter that has been neutralized and as a result of them making the identification, they are working backward to determine as much as they can about this individual and what is his association with the college there. i can tell you, normally and i was somewhat surprised, in press conferences of the nature we just witnessed, they normally give more information. we have been told students are still sheltering in place and it is still as i said, a crime scene, they are still processing it and i would have to believe that it is some stage very soon here they will hold another presser to give the public more information. you have parents and relatives and friends of individuals on campus and they want as much information as they can and they want good information, they don't want, as you represented, neil, when you get information from multiple sources, it can be confusing and conflicting. we want to know information from the authorities themselves and i have to believe they will have to get back for the cameras and give us more information. >> neil: yeah, to the key issues and least of which how many we're looking at and this search going on, we were getting bulletins to that, you know what you are doing, we appreciate that. jonathan hunt on what he's been hearing and we wait for another update. what can you tell us? >> very important key update from las vegas police, there is no further threat, no in all caps from the sheriff, also, no idea about motive, a number of victims, a number of victims is all we've got, have been transported to area hospitals. the headline again and as ted was saying, we have to take information from official sources, no more official than the las vegas police department and they are saying there is "no further threat," but same time, the university is asking students not cleared to shelter in place until they are cleared by the police department, officers continuing to go through the buildings room by room and affected buildings are beam hall, home to the lee business school and the student union next door to beam hall. the two buildings appear to be focus of the police attention and this is from las vegas police, you see it on the bottom of the skroon, there is no further threat. to add to that, they are saying they have "no idea about motive," and ted was saying in these situations and ted is accurate, as always in this, they probably know the identity of the shooter at this poen. they have not shared that with us. even witnesses who were talking about a male shooter, we don't have that confirmed from the police yet, even those witnesses did not give a real description of the shooter other than they believed it was a male. police just said there will be further updates, but they will be from police headquarters, which means they will withdraw or the sheriff and university police department spokesperson will go to las vegas pd headquarters. it will be a little while before we get another on-camera update. we know no further threat, one suspect, that suspect is dead, no idea about motive. a number of victims, a quote from the police, number of victims transported to area hospitals. >> neil: last point, those number of victims taken to area hospitals for treatment, that does not seem to indicate any immediate deaths or am i taking a leap i shouldn't. >> you are correctly characterizing what police have not said, they have not said anything about any fatal fatalityities, we don't know if there are any. as far as we are aware, they have not any point mentioned fatalities, simply a number of victims have been transported to area hospitals, we don't know the condition, whether they are suffering minor injuries, whether any are serious injuries or critical injuries. you rightly point out, police have not said there are fatalities and not said there are not any fatalities, neil. >> neil: your caution and discretion is always called for. jonathan hunt following this, we hope to get more update from authorities at the scene. victims have been taken to area hospitals, we don't know more than that. special agent jack dupen is with us. jack, that would be welcome news if it turns out there might be injuries here and maybe nothing worse than that. of course for those injuries, hardly a constellation, what do you make of what you are hearing in this cautious response police are taking to assess things sort of floor by floor? >> i'll tell you, i will echo what ted williams and the former police officer said, they acted quickly in response and it was outstanding. there will be critics and i heard one of the witnesses that were upset way police handled this. this is a crisis situation and they are trying to get to the crisis site as quickly as possible and eliminate tragic casualties and deaths as possible. in this case, unlv police, las vegas police, they acted quickly, responsibly, professionally and did an outstanding job and you are right, let's hope to god and pray we don't have fatalities and for any victim, they will be fine and get through this. you know, these situations, at least police are preparing for situations more and more. my company, we teach to corporations and schools, police and law enforcement are teaching throughout the united states how to handle active shooter situations. run, hide, fight, that is all real and what we teach temperature is a situation we can't control society and what people do. i understand there are people and several of your guests have mentioned, they talked about everybody handles everything differently and no shame in some kids were like smiling or laughing. everybody handles a tragic situation differently. >> neil: i know i'm a journalist covering this, i am also a father of two college-aged sons who are taking their classes remotely, that was born out of spillover of covid. i was listening to a few kids and listening when martha maccallum was on, asked about going to school remotely and you can't blame them. we are getting back to that, something like this changes everything, doesn't it? >> it does. like you, i'm a father of two college-aged girls and i understand how everybody is feeling. and about remote learning. the problem we're running into, half of college is the college experience, learning to get along with other people and diversity and learning about other ways and cultures and everything. part of the college experience unfortunately is not sitting behind a computer, it is learning to live with other people and engage with other people in society and learn how to be a responsible adult, hopefully. it is like going to a mall, going to the hardware store, gas station, we can't identify or p prevent where this is going to happen. what i teach in my company when i'm teaching is situational aw awareness. know your surroundings, take note of people's actions. recently i was in a store and saw two people in there, two white males, middle aged and i knew they were cops by the way they were dressed. i was in a local store and i could tell in a minute and i had never met the individuals. i saw them and they looked me in the eye and they smiled. look at situational awareness and know what is around you. >> neil: i'm sure you give that advice to your daughters, as well, as a good and protective dad, we can only do so much. >> we can. and that is unfortunately, listen, we can change gun laws, but guns don't kill, people kill. this is a very, very tumultuous time we are going through, you and i have talked too many times about this same issue and unfortunately, we need to try something different, in society to fix what is going on, there is hatred and protest going on college campuses, there is a lot going on in politics and around the world. it is the kind of thing you need to be aware of. you don't want -- we said this after 9/11, you don't want to change your entire life because of what bad people did. people were saying should i take the train, subway, go to new york, not go to new york. live your life, don't let them win, that is how i look at it. unfortunately, we can't all be armed, we can't all necessarily respond to crisis situations like we have today in las vegas. my hats off to law enforcement. they have done phenomenal job here. i know everybody wants to be updated on are we safe yet or how many victims, this will take several hours, days, to unravel. yes, they probably do know who the shooter is at this point and they are not revealing that for obvious reasons. there will be a full investigation. was there anybody else, were there co-conspirators? did anybody assist him getting where he was at? it takes time and law enforcement can't do 100 things at once. we'll find out who this guy was, assuming he was a man, and we may not. >> neil: we may not know for a while, to your point. you were speaking there, the unlv-dayton men's game will not be played. we talk about events cancelled for very good reason, but it plays out again and again, i'm harkening beyond just your fbi brilliance, as a dad, what do you tell people trying to sort this out, valuable advice. >> neil, total matter of coincidence, i'm university of dayton graduate. i am well aware that game was being played tonight. i tell my daughters this and young kids, i just gave a speech last week in madison, new jersey, i talked to 50 students. i tell them, you got to be, you have to be aware of your surroundings, dealing with these things are difficult, it can happen anywhere. as we just saw yet again. everybody says crime happens in miami, l.a., chicago, new york, if you look at active shootings, las vegas is a big city. >> neil: you are right. >> you and i just talked about this, it happens in parkland, it happens virginia tech, it doesn't have to be a major city to touch people. unfortunately. >> neil: you are right. jack, thank you, we needed that advice and your expertise. jack jupin. it has happened again, a familiar end, for young people in this college town, it is remarkably shaking event and some of them are just trying to assess it, violence has struck. hopefully no death. here is "the five."