inside, killing a number of the people who were in the bomb shelter, blew half of herch's lower arm off, so like one of the other israeli hostages, mia shem, who had serious injuries, he was taken captive and brought into gaza with very, very serious injury, and his mother rachel has no idea if he survived that ordeal. if he received appropriate medical treatment, where he is, what his status is. so it has to be awfully difficult seeing these hostages come home known her son, herch, is still in custody somewhere in gaza. >> sandra: ophelia brightman, 77 years old, also one of the hostages just released, she came to israel from argentina holding argentine citizenship. she's the wife of hector, mother of three children, grandmother of nine children. she had sent her last message to her family asking for help, stating that the terrorists were in her house and since that moment of her -- that she was taken, john, her contact had been severed and you can only imagine what is happening right now knowing that ophelia, 77 years old, has been put back in israeli hands in this transfer here, just unbelievable to see this happening right now. if we could stand by, general kellogg, and lieutenant colonel reserve jonathan conricus is joining us live, international spokesperson for the israel defense forces. jonathan is joining us now. thank you so much, sir. we are watching these hostages getting out of the vans and being transferred. can you tell us more about the process and what you know. >> yes, hi and thank you for having me. i hate to interrupt the general, but we are seeing positive images for the fifth day now. israeli women and children after 53 days of brutal hamas captivity are being returned home today. we are talking about ten israeli nationals and two foreign nationals that are being returned. all of them women, no men. as you mentioned before, of the previous four groups of israelis that have been released, 51 in number, not including those of today, we have torn families, women and children that have been returned, fathers who are still in hamas captivity. >> john: jonathan, we note that the youngest of the hostages released today was 17 years old. a lot of the hostages are elderly folks, i believe the mother of one of the hostages -- the young hostage was released today as well. but there are so many, if you say that 51 released prior to this, that's a total of 63. hamas was holding 239. so that still leaves more than 150 hostages in hamas captivity, and one of the big questions is, hamas seems to be playing this idea of a ceasefire or pause in military operations, however you want to characterize that, for all its worth here, and if you've still got 150 people left and you are releasing them at a rate of ten a day, it's another two weeks at least that they could try to hold off military operations by the idf in gaza. do you expect that that is the way that it's going to go in the days ahead? >> you are very correct in your analysis, i think, and what we are looking at, this current framework has a ten-day limit to it. so we understand who hamas is doing. if hamas would be able to do what they wanted and i'm sure they would be able to release only one hostage every day. part of the negotiations that went on, a lot of negotiations with very important american input by the president himself, and of course his team, we put it at a minimum of at least ten live hostages per day in order to have another day of pause in our activities. but there's a cap of ten days for the current framework, and if we want to expand that, then that has to be renegotiated and voted on again by the israeli war cabinet. so, what we are doing in the idf is of course facilitating these very important moments, each and every israeli that is brought home to safety and to be reunified with their family is a beautiful thing. the best thing i've seen in the last 53 days. but we are preparing for the future of operations, plans are already approved and ready to be executed to continue to fight and to eradicate hamas wherever hamas is in and outside of the gaza strip. >> sandra: lieutenant colonel we also have up live on the screen, gone from where the hostages were being turned over to israeli custody to now the ofar prison in the west bank where palestinian prisoners has been detained by israelis. can you talk about this process and the exchange of the hostages and the prisoners and what we will see in the coming minutes and hours perhaps? >> yeah, i mean -- unfortunately israel has been forced as part of the negotiations to free convicted felons, prisoner, some of them with blood on their hands, some of them who did attacks against israeli military pers personnel or against civilians. we have been talking about women and minors only. hamas wanted that kind of alleged parity between our women and children that were taken from their homes on the 7th of october and palestinian women and minors who are offenders, who are now in prison after a legal process, after they tried to stab soldiers or civilians or threw rocks or were otherwise part of illegal activity against israelis so. what we are going to see is the release of today's batch of palestinians. they will be returned to judea and sumaria, and very few palestinian flags, lots of hamas flags and that is a worrying sign of hamas growing and strengthening in judea and sumaria. >> john: we are looking at pictures of the ten israeli hostages who were released today. in addition as you pointed out, two foreign nationals. do we know which country they are from, or countries? >> yeah, as i understand now, still unconfirmed, but according to the pictures and preliminary information and i want to be cautious, these are caregivers who lived together with elderly people, elderly israelis and various countries. i'm afraid they are not american, i suppose that is part of the question. but i understand they are foreign caregivers who are also taken, held in captivity, without even being part of conflict or anything, they were just taken and are now being returned. i'm happy for them and their families and very happy for israeli women who are now brought back to safety in israel. >> sandra: thank you for joining us, we have the women hostages freed now up on our screen from teenage years, 17 years old, youngest, to a woman known as a grandmother to so many in her neighborhood, in her 80s. these are the women just released. as we know there are so many more that remain in our thoughts. colonel, where does all of this put us in this war? obviously we know things are about to change in the next couple of days. >> yeah, you know, you have the pictures of those beautiful innocent israeli civilians that have endured hell and are now on their way back to -- back home, but there are still israeli babies being held by hamas in israel. very famous or unfortunately it's a sad kind of fame, but a few month old baby, two red head children, a 3-year-old boy and a baby that were taken from one of the kibbutz are also being held, and it is tremendously sad. where we are going forward is that we understand the game that hamas is playing. we understand they are trying to buy time while using hostages as their currency. we knew that would be the hamas game. we know they are heavily engaged in psychological warfare. everything is staged and choreographed from the moment hostages are exposed and the process of transferring them into israel, everything is staged, and hamas is hard at work in trying to picture themselves as some humane organization that cares for civilians and has been treating them well. really obscene efforts by hamas, even forced an israeli mother to write a letter of thanks to her captors thanking them for taking care of her daughter and letting them play with them. things totally absurd and where this is going forward from here, we are ready and as soon as we will get the green light from the government of the state of israel to continue operations, we will do so, because we understand there is a direct link between ground operations and pressure on hamas and their willingness to hand over the hostages. and we are ready and equipped to do so, and i hope that that will commence as soon as possible. every day that israeli hostages are returned is great but we are preparing for the next stage of operations and we have our sight firmly focused on the aim, to dismantle hamas, make sure never again will any terrorist organization in gaza have the ability to do what hamas about on october 7th. >> john: lieutenant colonel, we have information william burns, cia director and the director of mossad were both in doha, qatar, meeting with the prime minister about the status and fate of the hostages. do you have any information as to what may have come out of those talks? >> not yet. you know, there's a lot that goes on, very much goes on. there are reports of delegations in israel and the report you mentioned. what i know and the idf level is no stone is left unturned. no diplomatic kinetic or intelligence option is left unchartered in order to get the hostages back. we are doing everything we can in order to get them back and we will do everything necessary in order to get our people back from a military perspective, that means fighting on the ground, collecting intelligence, and when possible, getting our people out, using kinetic and military operations as well. >> john: lieutenant colonel, thank you so much for the update. appreciate you joining us. >> sandra: thank you very much. and now to the pentagon, brigadier general pat ryder is just briefing, took a question from our own jennifer griffin on attacks on u.s. forces. >> at least one missile and we also assess the vessels, mason and the central park, were not the intended targets. that said, i can't speak for what the intended targets -- target was and would have to refer you to the houthi rebels to talk to that. >> how can you say the u.s.s. mason or central park were not the target? what would be the target if -- >> that's a great question, something we are continuing to analyze. this missile landed approximately ten nautical miles away from these vessels, but again, current assessment right now is it was not -- the ships were not specifically being targeted. >> is the u.s. planning any sort of military action against the houthis? >> well, look, when it comes to our forces as i highlighted, i'm not going to telegraph or forecast or speculate on any potential strikes that we might take in the region other than to say we will do what's necessary to protect our forces. >> and lastly, the irgc released some footage of drone video of the u.s.s. eisenhower passing through the strait of hormuz. were you aware that there was iranian drone up above the ike? >> yeah, i'm aware of those reports. we are looking into that. don't have anything to pass along. if we do, we will let you know. >> yesterday senior administration officials said that the israeli -- anticipate israeli campaign in the south -- southern gaza can't be the same as it was in the north in terms of the number of people that were displaced and in terms of the targeting of hospitals, water and power, and u.n.-supported shelters. can you speak to any of the conversations the secretary has had with his israeli counterparts on that front or can you elaborate? >> sure. without getting into the specifics of the conversations, you've seen in the read-outs we have issued that a topic of discussion between secretary austin and the israeli minister of defense continues to be the importance of conducting operations in accordance with the law of armed conflict protecting civilians and ensuring that aid does get into gaza, so that will continue to be a focus going forward. we do not want to see innocent civilians being harmed or impacted to a greater extent than they have been already, and so that, i'm sure, will continue to be a focus of our conversation. >> pentagon share the assessment if there is a campaign in the south, israeli campaign in the south, it cannot be the same as, carried out the same way it was -- >> it would be inappropriate for me from the podium to talk about idf operations and what they should or shouldn't do on the ground. certainly it's their operation. but in the contours of understanding the importance of protecting civilian lives, innocent civilian lives, and the same time going after the terrorist group hamas that inflicted pain and suffering, not only on the israeli people but the palestinian people, that will continue to be a priority for us. >> i want to ask about the service members that we have seen over the last several weeks. do you believe everyone who may be experiencing that has come forward, are you seeing any more people asking to get screened, and just given the persistent nature of the attacks, is there any proactive screening done instead of waiting people to come to you, but going and giving them the information to know if they can tell something is wrong. >> i don't have any new updates to provide in terms of folks in iraq and syria that have been diagnosed with tbis. we have been providing that information as it becomes available. history has shown, experience has shown that sometimes there are latent symptoms, and so service members are screened, especially in the environment, whether it's self-recording or your teammates notice something. so that's something we will continue to stay on top of. i don't have any new numbers beyond what we have passed along to you. megan. here, i'm sorry. >> so u.s. space com has stated the satellite that north korea launched did enter orbit. so can you state that the satellite was a success? >> we are aware that the dprk launch of a space launch vehicle did -- was conducted. we are aware that it did enter into orbit and that it involved ballistic missile technology. but beyond that, i'm not going to have further details to provide. >> there seems to be some discrepancy. since it did enter orbit, what constitutes a successful launch? >> well, i'll leave it to others for successful launch, the question was did it go into orbit. we know it went into orbit. for something to go into orbit, it needs to escape earth's gravity and be able to be sustained in orbit around the earth. so really it would be up to the north koreans to define what the parameters of this launch were and what they were hoping to achieve. i'm not going to speak to that, other than to say again we do know it's in orbit. we will continue to stay in close consultation with our republic of korea and japanese allies, as well as other regional partners and allies and monitor that closely. the phone here and come back in the room. phil stewart, reuters. >> yeah, hi. just trying to drill into the idea that missile or two missiles that were fired off yemen, that was truly a coincidence then? is that the understanding? >> yeah, thanks, phil. i'm not going to characterize it. just provide the facts as we know them and as we continue to analyze this, we are aware there was at least one missile and at this point our assessment is that those ships were not specifically targeted as to what was being targeted, again, that's something that we'll continue to look into. so, those are the facts as i have them right now. go to jeff shogal. >> thank you. given that the pentagon is under continuing resolution, is it having to move funds from training and maintenance accounts in order to pay for operations such as deploying aircraft carriers to the met and to the -- >> thanks, jeff. so as you know, you know, training funds and operation and maintenance funds come from different pots of money. as it does relate to the situation in the middle east, we are -- the military departments are currently cash flowing those requirements from existing accounts with funding that was provided by the continuing resolution, and so as we go forward, the military departments and u.s. central command will be assessing new requirements that support both current and future operations within this area of responsibility against previously planned requirements. and so that will be important work going forward. in the meantime, as you know, we have requested supplemental funding from the congress and so we will continue to stay in close contact with the hill to work through that and of course as always, would advocate for a full year appropriation. thank you. back into the room here. >> we were promised that the pentagon would provide us with more information on the value and scope of u.s. military assistance to israel since october 7th. is that information available to you now? >> thanks, fadi, certainly aware of the request and i can assure that is something we are taking seriously and as soon as we have that information to provide we will do that. >> previously you told us there were u.s. assets over in gaza doing isr to help with hostage recovery. is that activity continuing or did the u.s. pause that activity as part of the operation pause in gaza? >> thanks, fadi. in light of the operational pause and in compliance with the agreement reached between israel and hamas, we are not currently conducting those isr flights and so those have been paused for now. thank you. nancy. >> i wanted to ask for clarification something earlier, what specifically has the u.s. sent to egypt and how much is it worth? >> in terms of the humanitarian aid? as i understand it, usaid can provide more detail, medical supplies to support the health system in gaza, ready to use food, foods for displaced u upon -- populations, includes clothing, since winter is upon us, and so that's essentially what's being provided. >> approximate value of it? >> i do not. >> a sense when it arrived in gaza. >> it arrived in egypt today. my assumption is it's being loaded on to vehicles now foreground delivery into gaza so very soon. and as i mentioned, and more later on this, but we expect additional flights in the coming days, we'll certainly keep you updated on that. >> you didn't know the value. >> i do not know the value. >> you had said that you are still working on the number for how much equipment has been provided israel. why is it -- can you give us a sense why it's taking so long to get that approximate assessment? other conflicts, notably ukraine, why is this different? >> thanks, we are working to get those numbers in terms of what we can provide. as i understand it, part of the complexity is the methods by which we are providing these. some of that, which is already, for example, paid for through the -- for military sales, financing, preexisting agreements with israel, some is coming from stocks that we have in the region, some is coming from, you know, u.s. inventory, so there's a multitude of different methods in order to meet this urgent need, and so it's not the exact same thing as the way we are providing assistance to ukraine. so, this goes into the how do you provide an accurate figure that accurately reflects what we are providing in terms of our funding versus what israel has funded and we are expediting and those kinds of things. >> lastly, you were asked about comments hopes operations in the south would be at a different tempo than they were in the north. and secretary austin's discussions with israeli counterparts, has he talked about different munitions to support a different kind of conduct in the south in terms of the weapons used? >> i won't get into specifics other than to say in their conversations they are certainly discussing what israel's needs are. again, in the broader context of what it is they are trying to achieve against hamas while at the same time ensuring that we are taking -- they are taking civilian casualties and civilian safety into account. i'll leave it at that. thank you very much. >> thank you, two questions on north korea. north korean leader kim jong-un announced yesterday said that north korea's military satellite captured meetings of the white house and the pentagon basics. in fact, what is the united states assessment of those -- >> whether they got pictures of the pentagon and the white house? >> i don't have any information to provide on what the north korean satellite has captured imagery of. i don't have anything further to provide. i will say there are plenty of images of the pentagon and the white house online, so -- leave it at that, yeah. >> north korea is completely abolishing the agreement, restoring guard post to end -- concentrating troops at military demarcation line. how do you -- >> sandra: so we are going to continue to monitor this update from the pentagon as the major news of the hour is 12 more hostages released. no confirmation any americans are among them. we did not learn any more to that degree from the pentagon just now. jennifer griffin with a question to the brigadier general about our continued i guess call it lack of response in the wake of more and continued attacks on u.s. forces in that region, john. >> john: and i thought that the news out of the pentagon briefing today was the fact that pat ryder said the two ballistic missiles that we had been led to believe were targeted toward the u.s.s. mason, and make the u.s.s. central park in the gulf of aden, he says it's assessed were not aimed toward those ships, which raises the questions well, who were the houthis shooting at? we don't know that answer at the moment. >> sandra: interesting. and meanwhile, while dozens of israeli hostages have been reunited with loved ones, including today, many are waiting for that to happen. herch goldberg poland was at the supernova music festival when hamas attacked on october 7th. his arm was blown off by a grenade before he was loaded to a truck at gunpoint. his mother has not stopped fighting for his safe return. rachel, his mother, joins us now. thank you for joining us, i can only imagine what you have been through. what is your message right now as we continue to watch what is happening there and more hostages have been turned over. >> well, first of all, i am actually thrilled with the -- how the progression of these hostages being returned, especially i just saw right now because i had been on calls until i just was waiting for you guys to let me in, i just saw that a dear friend of ours' wife and daughter were released tonight. and it's -- i can't describe how happy these last few nights of seeing these children, going back to their families, of seeing these women and daughters and sisters and mothers going back to their families, so that's been incredible. and i'm very aware that, you know, all of these deals are held together by the thinnest of threads and my message first of all, i hope we can keep doing this. i hope that aid that is desperately needed in gaza gets to where it needs to be. and i hope that more and more hostages are released. i would love bigger numbers of hostages because i think having ten at a time leaves a lot of room for that delicate thread to break at some point. and of course, i worry about my son who i know was in critical condition, is now permanently for the rest of his life without a limb, and you know, i'm concerned for his health. i don't know if he's getting the antibiotics he needs, i'm hoping he got the surgery he needed, so i'm very concerned but i am thrilled with the releases of all of these, you know, hostages who have gone through, the ones released today, have gone through 53 days of being held in a terrible condition, in a traumatic, in a traumatic way. >> john: hi, rachel, john roberts here along with sandra. we cannot imagine the conditions and the fear that all of these folks have been living with for the last 53 days. the fact that mia shem, one of the first hostages released, a serious wound to her upper arm and did receive medical care at the hands of a palestinian doctor, i'm sure that that potentially gives you some comfort that herch's wounds were attended to. >> absolutely. i am so hopeful that hearing that several, and in fact, mia regiv was released, she was 21, and she was at the same music festival herch was at and shot in the legible 2 or 3 times and she was treated, and that gave me a lot of hope that you know, i know there are plenty of talented doctors in gaza, and i know that the surgery that herch needed when his arm was blown off, we spoke to trauma surgeons, you know, all over, to find out what kind of, and they looked at the video, we had video of his arm that was blown off, and they looked at it frame by frame and explained to us the procedure he needed was actually not complicated. a general surgeon could do it because what they really needed to do was to go where the messy, you know, exploded part was, and just go above it and amputate, which is a relatively -- it sounds horrible but it's a relatively straightforward surgery and if he got that, and then was able to get the bigger concern is afterwards if he would get the antibiotics that you need, sepsis does not sink in and infection doesn't sink in, so i am hopeful that they took care of him and i've been hopeful all along that you know, i know there are plenty of good people in gaza. i hope that somebody is being kind to my son. >> sandra: we pray that is the case. and to hear the hope coming from you, it keeps us all alive and we are praying for him and that hope is coming from what you just said was the friend and her daughter that you've been following so closely, mia, 17 years old, was among those released in the latest batch. gabriela leimberg, the mother of the teenager released. the daughter, the 17-year-old girl was kidnapped with her family dog bella, mia at the bottom, and the mother to the left of the photo, what an incredible story this is, and we'll wait to see what we hear about their time in captivity. >> i'm thrilled for the respectily the father and husband, now a dear friend, he actually went, last week we went to rome and met with the pope, and it was there -- it was mr. leimberg who was with us, and i'm just -- i'm over the moon for him. he has his family back. >> john: yeah, but at the same time, you again sit here waiting and wondering what the status of herch is and whether he will ever come out. we heard maybe some words of encouragement from the idf moments ago, we are joined, to say a ten-day window on this ceasefire, and if 10 or 12 hostages were released every day for 12 days, that would account for all the hostages. >> there is still 170. >> john: 12 over ten days, 120, add to that -- he was suggesting that it would come close. but you mention -- >> i would love it. >> john: you mentioned that you visited with the pope. also visited with another famous person the other day at the home of president isaac herzog, elon musk. what did you say to mr. musk? >> similar to what i did with the pope is i showed him the video that i have of herch being taken by gunpoint with his left arm missing from the elbow down, being loaded on to a pick-up truck and at the end, there's a young man also, who is around 21, 22, i don't know his age, i don't know this boy who was picked up by his hair and thrown on to the pickup truck. it's a very short video. it's 45 seconds, i think. and i shared it with him, you know, you guys are journalists. words mean a lot. but a picture is worth 1,000 words and i think a video is worth a million words, and he -- he was very obviously concerned, expressed, you know, sympathy. i think it was a very -- he had had a very emotional day. he had gone down with the prime minister and seen the situation at some of the kibbutz that were struck and he also heard, you see in the picture you are showing, four families each of us told about our loved one who was kidnapped, and you know, it was a very human moment. >> sandra: we also know there is still a 10-month-old baby being held captive and the aunt, the great aunt of that baby was on this network earlier, the family speaking out, saying bring this baby home now, 10-month-old in captivity. she makes the case that hamas is stalling by saying they don't know where some of these hostages are. and rachel, i wanted to get your response to this. listen. >> there are different groups inside the gaza strip, hamas is controlling there. powerfully. i think in my opinion, again, that saying they don't know where they are is another way of stalling and buying time. >> sandra: your response to that, rachel. >> you know, i really have no idea. honestly, i -- i don't presume to understand what's happening in gaza right now. i do think from what i understand there is a lot of chaos. remember, there's a lot of displaced people. there's a lot of destroyed buildings. i think there's total chaos, so i don't know if they are pretending they don't know where people are or if in fact because of all the chaos and i don't think even starting from october 7th, i don't think that it was the most organized situation. i don't think the plan was to have 240 people spanning in age from eight months old to 87-year-old holocaust survivor, people from 30 different countries, to people who are jewish, christian, muslim, hindu and buddist. i don't think they realized, you know, that it was like a mad grab. i don't know. so -- i don't know how to predict or explain what is taking place there now. i just am a mom, and i want my only son to come home to me. i'll take him with one arm. we'll make him ok but i need him back. >> john: we can't even begin to imagine the pain as a mother you are going through. as we pointed out, the photograph with you and elon musk and isaac herzog, you had a chance to be in proximity to israeli leaders. they keep saying that at some point kinetic military operations have to resume in order to prevent october 7th from ever happening again. what -- what is your message to them about that and maintaining the ceasefire in hopes that all of the hostages can come home? >> well, i'm not a politician and not a military strategist, as i said before, i'm a mom, and i think it must be very difficult if you have a two-pronged approach and they feel that they are in conflict with each other. so i don't presume to understand or know how you go about a military, you know, maneuver trying to wipe out something that is an idea. i don't know how you wipe out an idea. i do agree that october 7th can never happen again. that we need to be safe. citizens need to not be afraid to go to sleep in their beds. citizens, young people need to not be afraid to go to a music festival that was called the music festival of unity and light. so we have two seemingly a bit conflicting objectives and i'm very hopeful that we can become creative and insightful and use our intellect and figure out ways that we are not constantly returning to this cycle of violence, not just in this neck of the woods but all around the world, always the innocent people who suffer the most and i just don't see it as ultimately being very productive to constantly be returning to this cycle of revenge, violence, hatred, pain, revenge, violence, hatred, pain, it's familiar to us, i don't know if it's working for us as a planet or a human race. >> sandra: rachel, we are praying for your family and for your son, your only son. we hear you, you just want him home. 23 years old. you know, as the time passes, we have noted that some of these hostages have been in captivity during birthdays. does he have one coming up? he's 23, correct? >> actually, he turned 23 on october 3rd, he was at the festival celebrating his birthday. >> sandra: right, right. we are praying for you, rachel and your whole family. >> john: god bless you and your family. turn attention terrorist the state department, gillian turner is there. gillian. >> hi, john. picking up on where you left off there with rachel, there's new reports out there today that the 10-month-old baby in hamas custody since october 7th has now been transferred into the custody of another rival terrorist organization that also is operational inside of gaza, raising major concerns and diplomatic circles and counter intelligence circles that a whole lot of hostages taken on october 7th may now be spread out and being held by as many as five terrorist groups that operate inside gaza in total. the white house spoke about one of them in particular, pish, palestinian islamic jihad, talking about how they are in a competition with hamas for resources and attention, but also coordinating or at least communicating with them. sorry, what's that, john? >> sandra: no, that was me. that was me, off camera, saying we were struck by the mother, gillian just now, just -- she was remarkably hopeful, that's all you can cling to in this moment right now. these parents who have been going through this for weeks and weeks and gillian, you think about the incredible amount of uncertainty. and in the case of her son, whose arm was blown off and she has no idea what kind of medical care he is or may not be getting. but the hope from that mother was such a strong message, gillian. >> i was struck by the same thing, i listened to the whole interview, sandra. i cannot believe she had the fortitude and wherewithal to talk about what she is going through during this time. it's frankly unimaginable to people who are not living it with her. but amazing to hear from her about her concerns. she doesn't know the health and condition of her son or where he is inside gaza, and there are concerns now about which terrorist groups are actually holding these people, the remaining hostages in captivity, because there are 5, 5 terror groups that operate inside gaza alone, and we know that hamas has been busy farming some of these people out. interestingly today, a senior hamas source in qatar told the bbc that they have confirmed 20 of the hostages taken on october 7th are now with other groups outside of hamas. we have not confirmed that but we are working to firm up the validity. john kirby did talk about the pij, the palestinian islamic jihad, said it might be the case that one or more hostages are now with this group. >> john: and as joey jones was saying earlier, a lot of people came through that fence on october 7th, and maybe even some palestinian citizens who took a couple of hostages and general keith kellogg, still with us, was saying that he believes that hamas doesn't know where all of these hostages are. so, if hamas is the one that's negotiating and qatar with the americans and the israelis for the hostage release and they don't know where they are, we are in difficult territory. gillian, appreciate it. more analysis from general kellogg coming up right after the break. stay with us as we await the final transfer of israeli hostages back into israeli custody. i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? 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because that is the one thing that is standing between hamas and oblivion. >> i think, john, the reason they are doing that, trying to get pressure, public pressure from various countries on their side. the longer this goes, it's harder to reinstate a return to kinetic action and maybe in a delay, if my job in the national security team was to think ahead and they need to think like this, say, and by the way, saying this you want to go over to the corner of the situation room and throw up. you basically say ok, look, i understand the issue of the hostages, i understand what gretchen was saying about her son, but it's going to reach a point, this is an existential fight and where do you have to go next. does this mean you say with the hostages we are not going to get them all back, we now need to go to kinetic action and finish the job. and i'm not talking about the palestinian people. palestinians, but they have to go after hamas, can't leave them in place. it's a terrorist organization. the question they have to come up with, meaning the netanyahu government and war council, what if we can't get them back, what's our next step, and you say this is where we have to go, it takes, it's going to take a lot of hard core nerves of steel to do it, but i think that's where they are going to have to go. >> sandra: general kellogg, thank you for standing by with us. to other live pictures of the prison where we were anticipating we would see some of the palestinian prisoners released from there, it is being reported right now that there was just seen some palestinian prisoners being released heading to a bus from the prison. so obviously this is all part of this deal, and this swap, general. can you tell us what we should be thinking about that and the people that will be released from there? >> yeah, here is the difference, sandra, and a great question. remember that the people that are being released from gaza, from hamas, they are civilians that were really not part of this fight. they were not involved in it. they are innocents. when you look at the people that are being released by the israelis right now, the overwhelming majority are in prison because of what they did to israeli military or civilians in attacking them with knives or some type of kinetic device and so you can't equate the deal. basically 10, or 3 for one, i kind of got it, but it's apples and oranges. i don't think you should look at it that way. ok, releasing them, i know where they are doing it, keep focus on the people who are the innocents of this, those that were taken by hamas on 7th of october. >> john: general, we have been talking about this idea does hamas even know where all of the hostages are. have they been salted around to other terrorist organizations. palestinian islamic jihad says that they handed over some civilian detainees as part of this exchange deal. we don't know if they were some of the detainees released tonight -- let's not call them detainees, call them for what they were, hostages, apologize for that, i was reading a statement. so we don't know if those hostages were part of the group that was released tonight or if they are part of potential future group, but it's something that pij as gillian was mentioning has handed some over, some back to hamas. so, hamas should have a pretty good idea at least when it comes to pij how many hostages are held and where they are. >> john, it was really chaotic when they brought these people back. it was not a disciplined move, put them on the bus and a head count. threw them in the back of vehicles, sometimes forcibly to do so. i don't think they have a full count of them. let me do a jump for you here. the other part is, what's going to happen to the israeli soldiers, and -- who are in custody now. nobody is talking about them announcement they were defending their land and now what's going to happen to them. my biggest concern, they have been very harsh on the israeli soldiers. >> john: general, great to talk to you. thank you. >> sandra: general, thank you for joining us. a quick break of the continuing coverage of the ten israeli hostages, two others released by hamas just in the last two hours. we are going to take a quick break. we'll be right back. you can't get a home loan because of your credit? 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"the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: all right. thank you very much, joh