good news about a possible hostage deal getting closer. we'll have more on that coming up. first, the number of attacks on u.s. troops mounting in iraq and syria but i rainian proxies. president biden is facing pressure by the pentagon to do more. we'll look at options. asking joseph votel. "your world" starts right now. welcome. i'm edward lawrence. in the nation's capitol in for neil cavuto. this is "your world." we begin with mark meredith at the white house. so no alarm in the back offices there, huh, mark? >> edward, good afternoon. great to see you. the white house says they're doing all they can to stop this conflict from getting any larger than it is. you referenced that "washington post" piece that came out over the weekend. the "washington post" said their holding iran and its proxies accountable. we've seen the attacks. they keep coming. we hear from the white house about what is being done in israel. the u.s. says that more humanitarian aid continues to get into gaza and efforts are underway to pressure the israelis to not target civilians as they carry out counter attacks. the administration says humanitarian aid a pressing concern, this morning during the annual turkey pardon, the president weighed in briefly on getting americans out of captivity. >> is a deal near? >> i think so. >> you think so? >> yes. >> thank you. >> how soon? >> you can see at the end, the president was crossing his fingers. there's a new poll out on nbc that gives the president bad marks. his foreign policy rating with 33% of voter as proving his handling of policy. that's a big change. down nine points from before the hamas terror attacks. what about the threat here at home? especially over this thanksgiving holiday. we pressed officials here for details today at the white house briefing. >> we're watching this all very closely for spill over effects. against the jewish community and the muslim community here in the united states. i'm not tracking any specific credible threat that is being acted on at this time. >> the white house says no specific credible threat right now. for president biden, he's getting ready to head out of town and going to nantucket to celebrate thanksgiving. today is his birthday. >> thanks. good job in the briefing room. with me now, former central commander joseph votel. we learned 64 attacks now on u.s. troops by iranian proxies. what should the u.s. military be doing to stop these attacks? >> certainly what we have to do is have to go after those that are perpetrating this attacks. we've seen a little of that. that's occurred the last week or so. this is not something that we can tolerate very long. we have to go after those that are actually perpetrating the attacks. >> so this is a test. you think by the iranians or something more sinister being coordinated against the u.s. to see how we respond? >> i think this is normal activity that we'd see by the iranians or malitias. they always push the red lines to see how much they can get away with us, to try to get to us overreact. the key for us is to figure out what it is that we can do that makes the cost of them greater than the benefit that they derive by orchestrating these attacks. that's really what we're -- really the game that we're in right now with this. >> what do you think about an attack inside iran? or maybe a particular target? would that get them to take notice? >> i think you have to -- probably right. i think i may take it too far to begin with. may get there on the escalation ladder. but there's lots of options they're left with before we have to strike in iran. we can certainly -- we've taken some steps to do that by going directly at those that are attacking us and holding them accountable to that. we can put more pressure on the iraqi government. we can deploy our own targeting task force in to the middle east or iraq or someplaces that would focus on that. so there's a lot of steps that we can take along the way before we step up in to attacking iran. that's a big step. i think the whole idea of deterrence here is to try to deter with a limited option and not have to step up. that's something where you don't fully appreciate what the second ord third order of consequences might be. >> the houthi rebels have hijacked a ship in the red sea. if -- there 80 no israelis on board. it's not an israel ship is. this iran again testing the administration and plus the location of this ship is interesting. very close to the suez canal. >> yeah, the location is an important one. critical waterway, not just for u.s. military resources but for commercial resources that go off over the world. yeah, in this particular case, this is another example where they're testing the limits. i don't know how much control iran actually had over the houthis. they're much more independent. they have more hoff an independent streak. but the fact remains that these are activities that pose a significant security risk, not just to the u.s. but for everybody in most of these waters. >> thanks, general. i appreciate your time. interesting insight. this won't go away. i appreciate it. so it's not just tensions in the middle east weighing on the president. he's struggling in the polls. the president's approval rating hit a new low. 40% approve of what he's doing. 50% do not. donors are expressing concerns about the president's age. he turns 81 today. happy birthday, mr. president. so with me now is gop fund raiser, noel mcpour and crystal knight. these are poor poll numbers. are they really -- is it really people upset about the president's age or policies? when president biden came in, he refused to change course on anything. >> it's a combination of them both. it's a perfect storm right now. what we're looking at, which is very interesting is an incumbent president that is aging, but a lot of it is his cognitive skills. what they're watching play out on television combined with what's going on with his policies from economics to foreign policy. we still have our borders that are in serious condition with people coming in, which actually relate to the wars that are going on because we have a lot of nefarious people coming through the borders. all of these strengths are what republicans have really built their platform on, which is a stronger economy, better borders and especially in wartime, i think a lot of people like the way that republicans handle things. so the donors, back to your points, the donors are looking at this and they're going to be more apt on the republican side to contribute to their favorite candidate, you know, right now. on the democrat side, not so much. >> crystal, is there panic in the white house? the president's poll numbers. in that abc news poll, 42% of 18 to 34-year-olds would vote for president biden but 46% would vote for president trump. that is a group that president biden won the last time around. is there a panic now? >> well, i don't know if it's a panic. i think there's cause for concern. these numbers are dismal. it's clear that the biden administration and his team has a messaging problem. they really need to hone in on what this administration has done for young voters. when we talk about the save act and how that helps with student loan repayment, that is something that this administration really has an opportunity to message to young voters on. making sure that if this cease fire does happen between hamas and israel, that is something as well that many young voters according to this poll have stated that they have strong disapproval for. but it goes back to messaging on how his base and how young voters feel about the policies that he's taken and the positions that he's taking this country leading in to 2024. i think that there is time to turn this around. we're 11 months away. so if his team is watching, hopefully they're trying to figure out what the resonates with young voters and how can we message to them so that they feel confidence about president biden moving in to 2024. >> martha: this is what i want to bring noel in. we saw republicans up poll after poll and something happened and democrats surged. you can see the handling of the israel and hamas war, disapprove. 18 to 34-year-olds. 70% disapprove. that's a young voters there. you think we'll see the same thing in this next year? we have the president sitting on billions of dollars in cash left to spend. could he spend that and buy votes for lack of a better term? >> he can. but what republicans need to do is take that same -- when you're looking at something like that with 70%, those are huge numbers. if the republicans are smart, they'll build on that low approval rating. the democrats, can they turn it around? i don't know. they have so many other things behind the bad polling. they have the economy. democrats and biden says bidenomics and it's fantastic. people don't feel it. so even though they're saying, nothing to see here, everything is fine. it's not so. >> noel, we have to leave it there. this is a debate that will continue. come back and talk about this again. the white house is saying that a hostage deal could be closer than ever. we'll ask a top spokesman for the israeli military. if you're looking to fly this holiday, get out early, a cross country storm is closing in. we'll have the latest. but first, the nation remembering rosalynn carter today after news of her passing. the latest on tributes for the former first lady as her funeral is being planned. lowe's knows black friday savings should be more than just one day. that's why we're giving you black friday deals every day. where you can find the best value all november long. shop now and save big, in-store or online. 18 years from tonight, grant gill will become a legend. when he totally kills it at his improv class's graduation performance. knees will be slapped. suds will be sprayed. people won't know what hurts more: their cheeks, or their sides. that's why he's already keeping himself in-shape and razor sharp today with health tips and wellness tools from aarp. to help make sure his health lives as long as he does. because the younger you are, the more you need aarp. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq and learn how abbvie can help you save. >> edward: the nation remembering rosalynn carter. services are scheduled to begin next week. david spunt is in plains, georgia with the latest. let's go to you. >> hi, edward. she will be buried november 29 in plains, georgia. she was dubbed the steel magnolia by the washington insiders when she and jimmy carter moved in to the white house in 1977. by herself, her family and husband of 77 years. jimmy carter is 99 years old. the oldest ex-president ever in history. he's been in hospice earlier this year. she was active as a first lady and a very willing participant in cabinet meetings, a trusted adviser. a lot of statements came since her passing, the most important from jimmy carter. he said rosalynn was my equal partner in everything that i accomplished. she gave me wise guidance and encouragement. she was born august 1927. her name, rosalynn, eleanor rosalynn, not rosalyn. she married jimmy carter, the only president that graduated from the u.s. naval academy in 1946. she spoke up about mental health issues. the white house released a statement that reads that as part of first lady of the united states, rosalynn was a champion for equal rights and opportunities for women and girls and advocate for mental he health. i will end you with this interesting fact. an important fact. jimmy carter first met rosalynn when she was about a day old in 1927. he was 3 years old. so these people have known each other for 96 years. he continues to receive hospice care in plains. she's being remembered as an amazing first lady that came back to live in her beloved plains and will be buried next week. edward? >> edward: unbelievable legacy, thanks, david. so as david just mentioned, rosalynn carter was a tireless advocate for mental health during her time as first lady and her work fighting for others continued through the carter center long after she left the white house. rice university history professor and presidential historian douglas brinkley joins us. thanks for being here. many people saw the civil service of the former first lady but didn't know or appreciate how much she advised the former president president, jimmy carter while he was in the georgia state senate, while he was governor and president. right? >> absolutely. its an incredible american forry. we talk about ronald reagan and nancy reagan's closeness. jimmy and rosalyn carter were inseparable. she was part of any decision he made in life. she basically ran the family. she was the mom of four kids and having to help them through life while her husband ran for public office. it's a chore in to itself. she was a human rights fighter like jimmy carter. she would go out on the habitat for humanity builds and go to africa and fight river blindness and guinea worm disease. she would go with her husband to make sure that they were holding democratic free and fair elections. one of the most undersung first ladies. when you do i what i do, we get in the weeds of things. you realize there's no jimmy carter without rosalynn carter. i know he's now having outlived her, having helped her through her alzheimer-like condition. he's all alone for the first time in 77 years since they've been married. >> edward: that's a feat in itself, being married 77 years. that's a legacy in this country itself. >> you know, i lived down in plains. i wrote a book town there. i got to know her well. and the big thing in their life was church. christianity and the baptist faith. they were on the more progressive side of the baptist convention. but the life of christ was always part of their lives. and in -- you know, it's everything she did lad a faith component to it. we're talking ant mental illness. she noticed that we were demonizing people that needed medical help. she saw people being incarcerated for marijuana or something, she would try to lessen their terms or help get them out. >> edward: what did she mean then to the mental health cause in this country? in 30 second or so. >> she pioneered it in many ways because eagleton, picked by george mcgovern to be v.p. and he was cancelled by the press because he visited a psychiatrist. at that time carter was governor. they realized you had to fight the stigma. so the beginning of the fight to destigmatize mental illness begin with rosalynn carter when she was the first lady of georgia and continued when she went to the white house. >> edward: i read an anecdote that when president carter first asked her to marry him, she said no. she swore that she would go to college first on her dad's death bed. that love endured and lasted now 77 years later. she's dead at 96 years old. douglas, thanks. her legacy will live on. thank you. >> thank you. >> edward: israel expanding ground operations in gaza as a deal is work out to release hostages. the president says a deal might be close. and a vast storm system closing in on the holiday as flyers try to get out. will the rain cause another airline scheduling nightmare? 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>> yeah, and in multiple records indicating the potential deal could involve the release of 50 hostages, women and children from gaza in exchange for a four to five-day pause in the fighting. that would allow potentially more aid to get in to gaza, which for the people that called gaza home, they're desperate need of things like clean water and food and fuel. qatar's prime minister recently said only minor challenges remain. right now here on the ground, there is no deal just yet. that is only further angering the families of the more than 200 hostages that were kidnapped on october 7th. many of them spent five days marching from tel aviv to jerusalem trying to pressure the israeli government to act. tonight many of those very families are in tel aviv meeting with israeli car cabinet members to push them to bring the hostages home. the israeli government says while it's a temperature priority to get hostages back, any sort of agreement does not mean their mission in gaza to root out hamas is over. >> even if there is a promise to return our hostages, we will return and fight the enemy with all of our might. currently the military campaign is expanding, intensifying and deepening. >> now, despite this talk of a potential hostage deal, the fighting in northern gaza continues. the idf says they have obtained cctv footage from the shifa hospital showing what looks to be like foreign nationals, two of them, being taken in to the hospital on october 7th. they also continue to uncover tunnels, the most recent one was found on the shifa hospital complex 30 feet below the surface running 180 feet long. we're also tracking some developments in the southern red sea. that's where officials say that the houthis kidnapped workers on a ship. >> edward: jeff, i hear that port is in yemen. be safe there. so now an update on all of this. the idf spokesman jonathan conricus. a deal to get hostages is close says president biden. what can you tell us about where we are now for that? >> thanks for having me. we have to be very careful with what we believe when we talk about the information coming out of gaza. hamas is in a continued psychological warfare against israel and most importantly against the families of 238 israeli hostages held for 45 days. until we see things with our own eyes and we can get our hands on whatever or whoever ever we get out, we cannot be certain of anything happening. of course, we have to leave options open and be positive and be creative and trying to find solutions and bring people home. at the end of the day, we know we're dealing with the most vile and despicable terror organization and we have to be very clear who it is we're dealing with. >> edward: so at this point, you cannot say the deal is close? >> i'm afraid not. >> so the white house spokesperson john kirby says there's pauses every day on aid getting in. i'm curious about the other side of that. are these pauses giving hamas a chance to regroup? >> you know, it's a balance, right? on one hand we want civilians not be injured and we want them to leave without being affected by fighting. the other hand, we rant to remain a pressure on hamas. >> of course when you stop fighting, you relent pressure. hamas as an ability to breathe if not regroup and resupply. that's something we're willing to do. we understand the importance, it's within our values, to have civilians outs of the battlefield so that in the future, in the next days or so, we can continue to fight and to use more force because we will be confident that the area is free of have a civilians and those that remain are enemy comb combatants. >> we have seen video of hostages going in to the hospital. was this a base of operations or just for injuries? >> yes. well, let's debunk that lie for a second. hamas claimed when we released the cctv footage from the hospital, they immediately said oh, no, we brought them to provide them medical care. there's about 11 hospitals on the way. if you travel from israel taking israeli hostages up until you get to shifa, there's 11 other hospitals that they could have stopped that are much more closer and convenient if the real thing was to provide medical attention, which it wasn't. they brought them to shifa because shifa is a hamas strong hold where they have activity above ground within the rooms and the treatment facilities of the hospital and of course underground facilitated access through the tunnels. >> edward: lieutenant jonathan conricus, thanks for the update there. something that we will follow. we welcome you back to talk about this. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> edward: so in a cross country storm closing in as millions of holiday travelers tried to fly out. to fox news reporter dana marie mcnichols in atlanta on how it's working out. dana marie? 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>> thanks. looks a little clear behind you. hopefully that continues so people can get to where they need to go. thanks from atlanta. travelers bracing for a powerful storm system pushing a cross the central and eastern u.s. threatening to bring tornadoes, strong winds and heavy rain to adam klotz with the forecast. what do you have? >> if there's delays, this is the weather system causing it. the big one across the middle of the country. so far not huge delays like air travel but could slow down driving from st. louis to omaha, back to wichita. heavy rain at times and strong winds. on the southern end, this is more severe. damaging winds, perhaps a couple of tornadoes. is very likely to see some severe weather here across portions of louisiana and in to mississippi, in throughout this evening that entire system continues to march. it lose as little energy. so we're talking about severe weather. but from monday night to tuesday, you're looking at this moving to the southeast and the midwest. ultimate will to wednesday getting to the atlantic and thing. the busiest travel days are when this storm will be moving in. pay attention to the corner. tuesday at 5:00 p.m. a time when folks might be hitting the road. looking at heavy showers in d.c. to new york. higher elevations snow with this system. lingering in to wednesday afternoon. still some moisture as the system drags through boston. by the time you get late into wednesday, this system clears out and you think what is going to be happening on thanksgiving day. and i've got good news for you there. this is what it looks like. beautiful weather. temperatures in the 50s, 60s for a lot of spots, 40s. the only spot you're looking at significant precipitation. friday, people thinking about skiing, snowfall. thursday, friday, good weather, ed. >> edward: we have the snow in the right places at the right time. we have to get there. thanks. so no rest for the holidays for the gop presidential candidates hoping to top donald trump in iowa with the caucuses eight weeks out. we'll dig deeper in to who is closing in on the former president and while you're looking for a deal this holiday, retailers suffering from a rash of thefts could pass the cost on to you. lowe's knows black friday savings should be more than just one day. that's why we're giving you black friday deals every day. where you can find the best value all november long. shop now and save big, in-store or online. if your moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks... choose stelara® from the start... and move toward relief after the first dose... with injections every two months. stelara® may increase your risk of infections, some serious, and cancer. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, sores, new skin growths, have had cancer, or if you need a vaccine. pres, a rare, potentially fatal brain condition, may be possible. some serious allergic reactions and lung inflammation can occur. feel unstoppable. ask your doctor how lasting remission can start with stelara®. janssen can help you explore cost support options. >> edward: gop presidential hopeful vivek ramaswamy hitting the trial in iowa today as he's trying to gain ground on former president trump. mike emanuel is in washington. mike, what moves are we seeing? >> edward, they're trying their best in the critical early states in new hampshire this afternoon. nikki haley is standing by and asking her to consider chris christie to be her running mate. >> the reality is that i haven't thought about a vice president. i know what i want. i don't care the race or gender. i want someone to do the hard work. this is a brutal eight years. >> in iowa, vivek ramaswamy was asked how he would handle the crisis at our southern border. >> texas is using them but the federal got should. i used our own military and move them to the southern border. >> the situation at the border was a hot topic when former president trump went to south texas. there he picked up the endorsement of greg abbott. mr. trump says he know what's it takes to secure the border. >> we're going to take over that border and we're going to make it -- we had the most secure border in our history. now we have the most unsecure border in the history, i believe the world. >> then there's california governor gavin newsome launching this ad going after ron desantis. the ad suggests florida's tough abortion law is not freedom. it is desantis' florida ahead of the desantis versus newsome debate on november 30th. edward? >> thanks, mike. yeah, we'll have to see what happens. the governor -- both governors have their eye on that. we'll have to see. that's a debate for later. thanks, mike. the iowa caucus is eight weeks out. former president trump still way out in front of the gop field. let's get the read from washington examiner's tianna. what do the runner-ups have to do to break through? this lead is enpenetrable. >> right. the crucial ball game here is the fact that while trump has a majority of the gop favored nationally, in the early states, he has not broken 50% threshold. look, in iowa and new hampshire trump is hovering around the 45% mark. crucially, you can see nikki haley and vivek ramaswamy making moves. ron desantis is second in iowa.he also got that crucial kim reynolds endorsement. but vivek ramaswamy is moving all 40 of his campaign staffers just to iowa and new hampshire. the new hampshire, nikki haley has surged eclipsing desantis coming in to second place. chris christie hasn't left the race. so the matter is can she make a deal and get christie out of there. christie is holding on to the plurality of possible new hampshire primary voters that voted for joe biden. >> edward: there's a lot of moving parts to this. a key iowa faith leader, bob vander platts will make his endorsement tomorrow night. what do you make of that in the wake of governor abbott's endo,ment? what do you make of that? >> bob vander platts called huck key in 2008, santorum in 2012 and ted cruz in 2016. bob vander platts through his weigh behind all three of them. they went on to win the primaries. it's possible that he's able to move the momentum for desantis in iowa. remember, iowa is crucial. if desantis does not win iowa, it's hard to see the map to which how he wins the nomination. he's hoping that he can carry this momentum to win iowa and survive not winning new hampshire where his polling is dismal. and south carolina which really favors nikki haley. that's her home state where she was governor. >> edward: texas governor greg abbott announced he would endorse former president trump. how big of a deal is that in the grand scheme of things? >> greg abbott is obviously an incredibly popular governor in a huge state with many delegates to send to the gop convention. and it also shows that there's a level of establishment support still baked in for trump. as much of a renegade trump is, he's still the incumbent president. the odds are in his favor. >> edward: thanks, tianna. appreciate your insight. interesting to watch next year. >> thank you. >> edward: attention holiday shoppers. while you're looking for deals, retailers looking for those stealing. right, madison? 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(music ends) >> edward: every year we hear about retailers hiring more workers for the holidays. this year that includes any more security to combat rampant threat at their source, something that cost the industry more than $100 billion a year. fox business' madison alworth investigating the problem live in a very cold new york. >> good evening, edward. yes, it is the most wonderful time of the year but for retailers, they are happy to take -- having to take extra measures to keep customers in inventory stay. we are seeing shoplifting at unprecedented levels. if you take a look at what impact it's had on the retail industry come in 2022 retail strengths, shoplifting, represented a $112 million in losses. things are continuing on that concerning path. according to new analysis, reports of shoplifting are 16% higher since 2019. when you break that down into individual cities, you see how bad that problem has gotten in certain places both new york and los angeles reported the biggest growth and reported shoplifting for midyear 2019 to midyear 2023. both of those over 60% increases. this is creating a cost for both the retailers and the consumer. >> people see the large groups and the ransacking, they see a breakdown of civil standards and social norms. it would signal something far scarier than some stolen stuff. at the end of the day, this hurts employees and communities that lose jobs. ready access to things they use and ultimately pay higher pr prices. >> higher prices, never good to hear about that. another myth very concerning us that this is not just big retailers. this is being seen across the board. harder for mom-and-pop shops to hire security and take measures needed at a time where everyone is seeing this issue. >> edward: with retailers paying more for security, will it mean they all passed on to the consumers in the form of higher prices? joining me now to discuss it is economist steve moore. what do you think? >> you better believe it. it's going to cost consumers, no question about it. retailers will have to raise their prices because it becomes a cost of doing business. the areas where the crime is the worst are the inner cities. who are the victims of this? oftentimes minority, small business owners and their customers. who tend to be minority and low income. it's a regressive tax. these midcity mayors, chicago mayor, they are saying we're not going to prosecute these crimes. >> edward: even if you have a macy's in san francisco that gets ransacked, it affects everybody across the country, doesn't it? the storm passes it to everybody. >> is happening is a lot of the stores are moving out of the inner cities where crime is bad. the low income people in those cities don't have a place to go. it's a giant problem and we got to have law and order or you're not quite have the stores. >> edward: shrinkage adds to inflation a little bit. 17.7% is what inflation is since the day president biden took office. the real wages are down 3%. what does that mean when it comes to holiday shopping? >> i saw in "the wall street journal" taylor day they said it was going to be a {flush ho-ho-ho horrible. people are whipping out the credit card. we'll see. hoping for a strong christmas season but you never know. people are heavily in debt. >> edward: you touch on a trillion dollars in credit card. people are still spending. when does the consumer not be able to handle the debt they have racked up? >> the big worry is when the government checks start coming. we been diluting the economy with trillions of dollars for that can't go on. at some point we have to pay our bills. you will be wonderful if the government could play santa claus for years and years but they can't. >> edward: washington state, new poll says washington state, forbes. 18% reporting theft. 13% say it happens daily. where you live determines the level of crime. >> you better believe it. seattle, portland, chicago, new york. again, a lot of it is because the criminals know that these progressive mirrors aren't going to do anything about it. some cities they are saying if you steal less than $50 we will prosecute. what do you think they do? they go in there and steal things that are $40. criminals aren't stupid. it's the main errors. >> edward: windows it turn around? >> the economy? >> edward: stealing. >> it's all about crime and punishment. >> edward: thanks, steve. have a happy thanksgiving. happy thanksgiving to all of you. thanks for joining us here today. this debate will continue about the holidays. hope everybody has a good holiday. i'm looking forward to it and you know what "the five" starts. ♪ ♪