[music] trey: good evening thank you for joinin >> trey: good evening, i'm trey gowdy, it's sunday night in america. forget chicago, the real violence is in congress. the san looked like fight club as mark wayne mullin took off his ring and offered to step outside with a union boss. >> tweeted at me, one, two, three, four, five times. let me read what the last one said. greedy ceo who pretends like he's self-made, what a clown, fraud, always has been, always will be. quit the tough guy acts, you know where to find me any time, any place cowboy. sir this is a time and place. you want to run your mouths, we can finish it here. >> fine, perfect. >> you want to do it now. >> i'd love to. >> stand your butt up now. >> stand your butt up. >> no, no, sit down. you're a united states senator, act it. >> trey: yes, sir, that was bernie sanders to stop a donny brook. blessed be the peace maker mullin is a fighter, real fighter, mark wayne grew up tough. it is part of what he did, not an excuse, explanation. if you insult him with words, he'll likely respond with his hands. and tim burchett claimed kevin mccarthy elbowed him in the kidney on the house floor. >> kevin mccarthy elbowed me in the kidney as he walked by and i -- caught me off guard. >> you felt it was on purpose and not an accident? >> eight of us voted against him. >> trey: kevin mccarthy denied it. they have the same religion and you will recall other gop members accused kevin mccarthy being bought and paid for, shield for special interest groups and a liar. those are personal accusations a person of character would not take lightly. don't wonder why an irishman might respond. in the other days, there would have been a duel, maybe slightly bruised kidney is progress. marjorie taylor greene called darrell issa word that cannot be seen and nancy mace was called a narc cyst and a colleague was called a smurf. >> you look like a smur f going around. you have been proven a liar mr. moskowitz. >> what's that? >> who has proven me a liar, you? >> yes. >> trey: congress adjourned after republicans took down another republican spending bill. jason chaffetz and harold jr. are both former members of congress and colleagues at fox. congressman ford, i could not get through the crime report, this is a one-hour show. most of this is republican on republican violence what is up with that? >> thanks for having me, happy sunday. i smile, but it is not funny, restraint you hope they would show on television would show in respect to people whoing to testify before their committee. then back and forth between members of congress is embarrassing, unfortunate and i hope that i understand the moment, you can be bested by the moment or the moment can get the best of you. thing most surprising with tim burchett and senator mull in, they were confronted after, they double and tripled down on it. it is just not good. these activities and behavior you expect a third world banana republic, not this weekend. i hope they cool off and thanksgiving they get enough turkey they come back wanting to work together. >> trey: we used to jokingly refer to congress as professional wrestling, i never thought they would aspire to be professional wrestling thchl goes back in part to january and october. speaker mccarthy was defrocked when linking arms with rashida tlaib and adam schiff. to me, that is when it began. to harold ford jr.'s point, when does it end? how does this end? >> thanks for having me on, on segment about incivility,im am glad you thought about me, har orld ford jr. is the nicest guy in the world. it started well before that. the rise of social media has given a permission slip, if you will, to members looking for a khaled meshaal media moment. that has driven incivility and need. you see members of congress with their staff and phone up in their grill and they pre-rehearsed a lot of these. some of these were spontaneous, the wrestling clause, nothing will happen other than we talk about it. members are protected and our founders understood it in congress. this is not productive or moving the ball forward. we make joke and smile about it, people know we are not solving big issues from immigration, inflation, homelessness, this is a side show and not productive. >> trey: let me play devil's advocate, everybody needs a lawyer. harold ford jr., republicans, there must not be consequences for it. there was an exchange with comer and democrat, but most was republican-on-republican violence, there must not be a consequence or they would not engage in it. you are a democrat, but you are a fair-minded guy. when did republican-on-republican violence become envogue? >> i don't know. i thank jason for the fair points. trey, you said unrelenting pursuit for attention, it used to be here is what you did and who i work with. if you send me back, i doll more. today is about sensationalism and hits and likes and followers you have. until we get away from that, at the moment, it is republican on republican, it could be democrat on democrat or republican on democrat, when you think about issues like border, public safety issues, it makes it harder to find compromise within your own party let alone with the other party if this is the embarrassing things happening day in and day out. >> trey: chairman, you rose to the level of chair manship before you left congress, you understand dynamic between leadership and rest of the conference. kevin mccarthy was bounced out as speaker for not cutting spending and this week the new speaker did not cut spending. some people are wondering what all the drama was about if the new speaker did the same thing as the old speaker, why bounce one and keep the other? >> i think they are giving the new speaker a honeymoon and latitude to tackle this. i think frustration with speaker mccarthy is he's a good person, but when you take a five-week recess and come back to session and say we don't have enough time to do the appropriations bills, that doesn't go over well. i would like more debate, more discussion, more regular order. there is a lot of pent-up frustration they can't do their job and don't get to vote. in the senate, when is last time you saw most deliberative -- it just doesn't happen over there. >> trey: i will say this, they have been in session for eight straight weeks and it led to series of law enforcement encounters. that rap sheet i just read has happened in the last little while, they have been around each other a lot. maybe taking a break might be a good thing, you are right, it is ironic i could have two of the nicest, most civil people who served in congress to talk about bad boys and bad girls gone wild. it is an important topic and i hop we will expect more from our leaders, that might be good place to start. happy early thanksgiving to both of you, thank you for joining us on sunday night. >> thank you. >> trey: israel raided a gaza hospital. israel's acting -- in new york joins us with more and congressman mike mccaul breaks down the biden-xi meeting only on sunday night in america. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? yeah, my 5g home internet delays the game a bit. but you get used to it. try these. they're noise cancelling earmuffs. i stole them from an airport. it's always something with you, man. great! solid! -greek salad? exactly! don't delay the game with verizon or t-mobile 5g home internet. catch it on the xfinity 10g network. trey: welcome back >> trey: welcome back to sunday night in america. fighting in gaza now involves a major hospital, not because israel is targeting the hospital, israel says hamas directs from that hospital. a command center for terrorism in a hospital. meanwhile, more members of congress have seen the footage from the hamas attacks in early october, members were reduced to tears and describe it as absolute evil. israel's acting consul gerneral join us, aviv ezra. what is the latest on this command center and parts of media want to blame israel? >> thanks for having me, al-shifa hospital represents what is happening in the gaza strip. we have hamas, vicious terrorist organization hiding in a hospital like they are hiding in hospitals, school, kindergartens, shooting at israeli forces coming in and complaining israel is shooting back. we have verified and shared evidence with the media that we know hamas is running their command and control center from beneath the hospital and have weapon depots there. use these attacks against israel. this was independently verified by the white house saying clearly what hamas is doing is a war crime, what hamas is doing is unacceptable and israel has right by international law to defend itself and shoot back when attacked, even from a location like a hospital. will lose immunity if it attacks forces coming in. it was verified by the white house that independently verified it. >> trey: let me ask you something i don't understand. hamas uses civilians as shields, hospitals as fronts, they kill innocent women and children and so many young people in this country are seemingly siding, i don't want to say with hamas, with the palestinian cause, which at times is intertwined with hamas. why are we seeing this kind of -- my generation supporting the israel, but younger people am ambivalent wlo who to side with. >> they can support bin laden and hamas, the same exact support. when they call palestine will be free from the river to the sea, they are ignorant, they don't know which river or which sea, they are calling for annihilation of the state of israel. world support for israel is not just public, last week i attended an amazing rally very calmly and peacefully supported israel's right for self defense and i have seen executive branch and legislative branch including the speaker and minority leader, majority leader of senate and forces from the republican senators saying clearly a, no to antisemitism, b, israel has right to defend itself and c, israel has the right to do whatever it takes to bring back children that are hostages for more than 40 days now in hand of these butchers, radicals, terrorist organizations. >> trey: you say whatever it takes, less than two months and there are calls for ceasefire with withdrawals, share what israel and idf hope to accomplish in gaza and how long it might take? >> ceasefire will not be acceptable without unconditional release of all hostages including nine month old, two year old, six year old and more. our military campaign is smartly addressed and will go deep into the gaza strip and make sure hamas will be eradicated and bring back our hostages. you have seen they butchered two hostages that we manage to find, they were in surroundings of al-shifa hospital. the entire justification to go after murderers and bring our hostages. >> trey: aviv ezra, thank you for joining us on what is likely to be protracted in gaza. president biden and chinese president xi gathered for awe simit outside san francisco. supposed to help friendly ties between the two countries temperature is hard to reconcile friendly ties with spy balloons, but both sides reported progress. china agreed to curb production of fentanyl ands continue military to military communication and chain may give the u.s. more pandabears, check the bears for listening devices. texas chairman mike mccaul joins us. the two superpowers need to talk, that is good. what do you make of what was accomplished, if anything, at this meeting. >> i think the military to military communication was important. i was with the know commander of the pacific and he said, i can't even pick up the phone and talk to my counter part in china. he has disappeared under chairman xi's reign. calls into question, if you can trust china on the stuff. on the fentanyl discussion, i'm skeptical. the biden administration removed fo forensic science from our entity sanction list. they take from the uighurs muslims and transport them to forced labor companies. you and i, reagan, human rights, freedom, not sure if this administration is into that. >> trey: chairman, you have spent your career studying foreign relations, defense, homeland security, what should the rest of us be looking at to see if anything came of this meeting other than panda bears. what are you watching? >> i like panda bears, don't poke the panda. can our military talk with theirs? will fentanyl production go down? i'm skeptical. i believe the secretary of homeland security is complicit with the deaths, with the human trafficking and criminal enterprise in this country due to failure to protect our borders. >> trey: chairman, you're a former prosecutor in the good old days. if you had been sitting with president e zoo, would you have asked him about covid and spy balloons? do you think those things were brought up or is it better to leave that and focus on fentanyl and the future? >> i think that is all they could negotiate. i would talk about theft of intellectual property. they went into the building of the spy balloon. when we discovered that spy balloon that went across the united states, we found american-made component parts in the spy balloon and it is hyper sonic technology they have is built on american technology. we are exporting and selling to china technology and capital flows that are building the poa, the chinese military thachl is what i would focus on, if i were king for a day. they will not stop their theft of intellectual property, they are good at it and espionage and talk about espionage, as well. >> trey: you referenced ronald reagan, he said, trust, but verify. might be good idea to listen and talk, but always verify. mike mccaul from the great state of texas, thank you. >> don't trust and verify with china. don't trust and verify employs >> trey: chairman mike mccaul, thank you. >> thanks, good to see you. >> trey: you, too, up next supreme court had a rough couple ofs, now there is new, kerry severino right after the break. >> i'm keven corke, in washington. remembering mrs. carter who died yesterday at the age of 96, her death just a day after she joined former president jimmy carter in home hospice upon care. she is being remembered for humanitarian work and been survived by her husband and four kids, two dozen grand kids and great grandchildren, as well. thanksgiving just four days away, all eyes on the travel map. millions of fliers could be delayed by extreme storms over next few days. kevin corke, in washington. >> trey: welcome back to sunday nighondut in america. scrutiny over gifts and trips and deals.id justices should comply with existing ruling for lower court, but justices may accept reasonable compensation for c travel, food and lodging. wa ts thooe code necessary? if so, what took a couple of centuries. joining us on carrie severino. wel welcome,lcom carrie, you are th expert on the supreme court, i am not. why a code of conduct now?u, >> yeah, thanks, trey, the r challenge, it is not really necessary, none of the rules arn new. thhae justices have behaved ethically fofor the last severa hundred years, having something codified was nothing new, they were following the rules anyway people werthe suggesting suprem court isas like the wild west. it is more explicit and clear. for anyone who was concerned about ethics, these are rules we're following. a lot of people on the left, is not what concerned them, they are complaining and won't be happy until senate democrats decide who sits in every case and control a separate branch of government. >> trey: you just anticipated my next question. shoci don't want to shock you. there are senate democrats still not happy and threatening to pas their own code for the court, which makes me wonder highway can congress dictate to an even branch ortf government? >> they can't. there ar e regulations that congress can do that are more broad. the supreme court, laws talk about when judges need to recuse themselves and been subject to those, as well. attempting to get a second chance it decide. they tried packing the court and that is going nowhere. now maybe we can cub distract justices and make sure justice thomas, samuel alito or gorsuch is off i the cases we care abou most. the supreme court is supreme, you can just imagine the shenanigans that will go on deciding which judge you get in a case, that flies in the case of a guaranteed supreme court. as much as senate would like to, they can't control their co-equal branch.: >> trey: carrie, i don't practice much law anymore, not trying to curry favor with h federal judges, i play golf with some of them. they're some of the smartest lawyers in the country and could be makes millions at law firms, what is wrong with them s supplementing their income. they makke we about what a rece graduate woul make first year out of law school, that is what thy noe federal judges make, whk be able to teach and write books, what is wrong with that? >> nothing wrong with that. in fact, we should want that. if youd it are a law student, wouldn't it be amazing to study with one of the highest judges in the land? we want to encourage that.he it is interesting, all codes of ethic encourage judges to do these types of things. it is backward when people suggest they should live in this isolated ivory tower. we want them sharing wisdom and we're not talking about them supplementing income in grandiose ways. never been a situation where someone votehed differently because they had taught a class or written a book. none of the votes had changed because they had friends that played golf. theihorrr votes are not up for . this lie t is being told we hav judges not behaving ethically se and that is not the case. we havdoe judges doing their absolute best at high level not based on politics, friendships, not based on anything, but the rule of law. >> trey: the court is perceived to have a conservative majority. i hate to be cynical, that is h the way it looks. thank you for , joining us. >> thanks, trey.k >> trey: comes up, murder case you really truly will not believe, attorney paul morrow joins us next on "sunday night ino america," with the details" remember the three ps. what are the three ps? 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a brother killed his sister's ex-husband? >> it's been convicted, this is quitw e a caper and hats off to law enforcement for staying on it, this was not easy. theyar had two shooters arreste they are,a filliates from down in miami. this was arranged by charlie adelson througgirlh his girlfri. that happens relatively quickly comparedrema to the rest of the case. the girlfriend is at charge, charlie adelson.ce then there is this issue of the mother. this a lot of us on the network have been harsh on things we've seen happen relative to the fbi and their overhead inside d.c. i agents in the field, this case democrats that, they used good to run a ruse and button this case up and get charlie and even the mother who is about to flee to vietnam nine years after the actual death employs >> trey: you are right, state and federal cops work their tails off to solve this. this was a hard solve and took a long time.n mom is up next on the trial wh docket, i assume she's on the triaagail docket. her son will surely not testify against his mother. there is audio of mom. paul, when are people in jail and prison going to figure out their conversations are monitored? that is one of their best pieces much evidence. the conversation charlie had withas hise, mother. >> paul: this case leans heavily on digital evidence. they got an fbi agent to approach the mother donna and suggest this undercover was an associate of one of the shooters. theyy figured donna would react by getting on the phone and she did, called her son and got an incriminating phone call and were able to build on that and capture another conversation between charlie and his girlfriend and roll them all up after the fbi enhanced that ia video. charlie went to trial thinking he could beat it, the jury convicted murder one. everybody else got life, florida has the death penalty and from jail charlie has a conversation with his mother that seems to involve the mother fleeing the country. this ipeops picked up, people n wise to the fact this can be obtained, they did get them and got them at the airport.ee harvey, the father has not beeno charged, the mother looks like she will face the same charges the son is facing now. >> trey: the father has not been charged and wendy adelson has not been charged. she could move to south florida with her children, any thoughts the case is over with respect to her? >> the da who stayed on the case with law enforcement and brought it home, hats off, did say at conclusion of charlie's case said something like stay tuned further investigation ongoing, to m e that indicated they are looking at other things and donna may not be the only woi. may not have heard the last of this crazy case. >> trey: fascinating, not in a good m way. paul mauro, sure it makes miss old days of putting the puzzle together and makes me misworkinh with guys like you that go to court. for l now,do we'll report on th. >> paul: have a good thanksgivingco congressman. >> trey: facing lawsuits and losing, the health of america's children. former google consultant joe toscano join us after the break on "sunday night in america.s ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. >> trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america." youtube, facebook, instagram, snapchat, what do these dr companies have ienn common? they are being charged with addicting children to their platform and enticing children to dangers. judge refused to dismiss the case this week. where is this headd and how quick will we get there? former google consultant and founder and ceo of data grade, joe toscano joins us. are you convinced social media platforms are addictive for young people?se did thene social media giants kn this when the products launched or find out later? >> joe: to start with, yes, they are addictive. i don't think that was their intent. they are trying to get more and more data on our citizens, especially children, they have to keep them engaged. that being said, i think they have gonnie from organizations that are not evil to considered to be evil. they know this is wrong, they haveg, known this is wrong. it's been validated time and time again and they have done t nothing. >> trey: there are lots of things children cannot do, buy cigarettes, gamble, drink alcohol, all of which can be addictive. o is this age of consent or should all of us be aware of addictive nature of social media? >> joe: this is regardless of age, we need to be protective oa children. that i as whatre these lawsuitst about.is this is a thing that has been ds impacting kids, there has been c researchhi externally and internally. they validated this is wrong and causing problems and there is proof they have chosen not to do anything. >> trey: iinf you were writing guidelines forhi social media u by children or young people or if you were king for a day and said this is what i'm going to impose on the social media titans, what would the guidelines look like and how would they>> be enforced? >> joe: need to remove algorithms from the timeline, big step in progress. we did not have as many addictions in 2012 or 2014. h if wowe only look at children h do we determine it is children? techniques include asking, whico is easy to falseifiy, or monitoring the children's profiles in more robust manner to see if we never they are children. what if we had a band on smart phone for certain age and below. children could haven fos, we don't want them to have all the addictions in their pocket. have i access to call people, things they need to survive in the modern world, we don't needf them to have smart phones. this will head by way of big tobacco. >> trey: those who think go successfully sendingod text is good thing, we don't know the language or technology, what is an algorithm and what role doest it play? for those that don't know what it is, tell us what it is. >> joe: sure, when we first had social media platforms, this was chronological, my friends i a selected. there was a discover area.ic the companies said, no one is clicking on discover, we need them to, so they built algorithms that would feed c content to us and the suggestions have gotten embedded and well designed and most of us are incapable to know that was suggested to us. that is the danger, it is fed like a slot machine to us and unrecognizable.mo coulred greatly induce more saf platform. >> trey: sounds like algorithm e might be what used to benique i teen, it is addictive and you may not know until you get addicted. thank you for sharing your expertise. than pk you for spending your fd sunday with us. find us online or on the trey gowdy podcast. good night from south carolina. >> todd: