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fox on top of israel. you heard about the flares being seen over gaza. this as the house is set to vote on a package to help israel. we have nancy mace here, adam smith on where this aid package stands as we speak. also here, the republican governors of texas and oklahoma, greg abbott and kevin stitt, they're both in israel and they're going to tell you why and what they're worried about. we're closely watching the flares over gaza. i'm neil cavuto. this idea of a ground invasion or something akin to it that might be happening soon, anyone's guest. mike tobin in southern israel with the latest. hi, mike. >> neil, right over my shoulder, you can see the flares that are up, this is the northeast section of the gaza strip. it's been about the last 20 minutes that they've been putting the flares in to the sky. usually when they do that, that means there's something they're looking for on the ground. they want to see it. what you try to do with the flares is blind the enemy and give you a good look at what is there on the ground. looks like something is in the sky. i just saw something come rather rapidly out of the sky, that would indicate some kind of aircraft is up there firing at whatever that target is on the ground. that is not the area of gaza city where the idf now says they have the center of the city encircled. this is near the fence at the border with gaza. as we talked about that, let's talk about the southern end of the gaza strip. the raffah crossing where hundreds of foreign passport holders crowded today with the hope that they would get out. the state department won't give a hard fast figure. i know a number of families did get out. one of the families we've been tracking, emily roushenberger and her family all got out. >> as soon as she got out, she called her best friend from high school that lives in saudi arabia. they talk on whatsapp. they said call and tell my dad we're out, we're healthy, we're fine. we're on a bus to cairo and i'll call him in the morning. >> the aid trucks did come in. as they came in palestinians continue to fire rockets unrelenting. thus far israel has allowed food, water and medicine to come in. the palestinians remain defiant. another scene of destruction with this giant crater. this is a refugee camp. this as the israeli defense force says gaza city itself is encircled. the israeli defense forces made easy work of hamas defenses to the northern end of the gas strip. they pushed them off to the south of gas city and say the encirclement of thesy is complete but came with a price. 18 israeli soldiers were killed, more than 300 have been killed since october 7. according to the palestinian health ministry, run by hamas, more than 9,000 palestinians have been killed. whatever is going on here in the northern end of the gaza strip, they're putting up a lot of flares and hearing pops coming from that area. something that they're looking for in ground. i can hear a helicopter overhead. try to get you more information on that as it's available. neil? >> neil: mike, the president is urging for a pause so americans and others can get out of gaza. have you heard any official israeli reaction to that? >> what you hear and went up toe the prime minister, they're not interested in a cease fire. israel is having success on the ground. they have control of this situation on the ground. it wouldn't serve their interest to pause at this point. certainly when you talk about the words cease fire, that's not in israel's interest right now. they're going to keep the pressure on hamas and try to get results that way. >> neil: thanks. be safe. mike tobin. he will have more developments as they warrant. right now, nancy mace joins us, the republican congress woman from south carolina. waiting to see what happens with that measure. congress woman, good to have you. are you for this legislation? this measure is meant to help only israel. the cbo has said it's going to add to the deficit. does that put you in a box? >> well, according to the cbo, their math is fuzzy. it is paid for this year. so i don't necessarily agree with the cbo math on how it's scored. i support israel. i want to see them win decisively and quickly against hamas. it's a measure that we have to take. we have to figure out how to do that. i'm encouraged by trying to find buckets of money to pay for the aid. >> neil: we're told a lot of it will come from cutting irs funding. chuck schumer has said this is not going anywhere even if it passes the house. how do you feel about that? >> well, we desperately need chuck schumer to play ball with the house. he's refused to all year. that shows you where his priorities are. the spending, it started in the house and then they go to the senate. we ought to be working together. if he doesn't like it, find middle ground on how we move forward. i agree that aid to israel has to be stand alone and i believe it will get overwhelming support. >> neil: might get overwhelming support. back to this issue if it adds to the deficit. that is coming from the cbo. we don't know how they factor that in -- >> they don't show their math. >> neil: that say it has to do with getting rid of the irs founding. if it's a measure deemed to add to the deficit, would you be a no vote on it? >> it's the cbo score is fuzzy math. they will not show how they do their math, how they get to that figure. they're not real numbers. i'm going to support aid to israel. it's $14 billion. i hope that they can win this against hamas swiftly and decisively. >> neil: so when it comes to not including ukraine funding for the time being, as the president wants to do, as the ever so narrowly democratic controlled senate wants to do what do you say to that? >> i would like these measures separate. these are different wars. they have different needs. we should not be combining them together. that's what congress always does. i believe the majority of the united states would rather see us up and down separate votes on separate supplemental aid, separate spending bills. it's better for the american people and more transparent and the way we should operate as a congress. >> neil: i don't know how late it will go. if a measure doesn't get passed, are you worried that it sends a message to israel that the house and senate doesn't have its activist together, that ready aid doesn't look that ready and this with a backdrop of israel being told by the president, pause right now in this campaign of yours to make sure folks get out. are they getting mixed signals from the united states? >> i'd say the fiscal year for the government started on october 1. israel gets $3.8 billion every single fiscal year. that just reset. they can get all of those resources immediately right now if they haven't gotten them already. if it fails, we'll go back to the drawing board and mike johnson will be swift and fast in the way he's working us up here on the hill. i have no doubt that he will figure it out. >> neil: this has come up. i know you've addressed this a couple times. this idea that you could be or would be open to being donald trump's vice president as the polls stand now and if he were to be the nominee of your party. that's his call as you have also said. you have also criticized him in the past. how will that jive? >> i call it like i see it. when i agree with republicans, i support them. when i disagree, as you know,ly call them out. my focus today as it always has been is on south carolina and serving the low country no matter what. >> neil: in south carolina, the polls show nikki haley emerging as sort of like a default number 2 tied with ron desantis. she's doing the same in some other states. where are you with her and standing by her? >> well, i love nikki haley. i was on your show the day of the first republican debate where i stated that she should not be underestimated when it comes to running for. and to the debates. she's outshined every single person on that stage and she will continue to do so. right now donald trump is leading in every poll. he has 53% of support in south carolina and higher in other states. it's up to the voters to decide who their nominee will be. >> neil: because donald trump is not a fan of hers. he's criticized her fairly often. how would you reckoncile that? >> if we want to win in 2024, we have to unite no matter who the nominee is. we have to come together as a party. it's not just republicans that we have to win over. we have to win over independents and centrists all over the country. we have to win over suburban moms. i know this because of the district i represent. we have 40% of our voters are independent voters. they don't lean republican or democrat. they're in the middle. those are the folks that will be the majority makers, they're the ones that decide who the president is. so i want to make sure that we expand our party and welcome home any of those independents and centrists that are not a fan of joe biden anymore or don't want to vote for a democratic nominee. i want to give them a reason to vote for our party and our nominee next year. >> neil: tim scott is not doing well. there's a push right now maybe because of what former vice president mike pence did, for those that are not polling well to get out now. do you support that? >> it's up to the candidates to decide what they want to do. i argue a very crowded field makes it much more difficult to have a primary that is worth while. we'll see if they drop out. i see tom scott every sunday at church. he's a good man and run hard so far. as you mentioned, the numbers are not there. >> neil: is that way to say consider dropping out? >> i'll probably see him sunday. we're friends. like i'm friends with nicky. i love them both. >> neil: a nice way of answering that. very good seeing you. >> always, neil. >> neil: thanks very much for that. meantime, you probably are wondering what the governors of texas and oklahoma are doing in israel right now. we thought we'd ask them. they're coming up. i hope you all like potatoes... these are fresh from my garden. what? is your... garden in idaho? no, it's in my backyard. ahhhh! always look for the grown in idaho seal. ah mornings! cough? congestion? i'm feeling better. all in one and done with new mucinex kickstart. headache? 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>> neil: be safe in the middle of that, alex. alex hogan. david freedman, the former u.s. ambassador do israel. we don't know what to make of the flares and explosions, ambassador. they come at a time when in many the world and no less the president of the united states haas urged a pause in this type of activity namely to get foreign nationals, others out of gaza. what do you make of this? >> look, you know, i think so many folks know the difference between a pause and a cease fire. it's semantics. means the same thing. the united states is against a cease fire but in favor of a pause. the bottom line is for the first time, i think, in 15 years, israel finally has hamas contained. they have them where they want them. they're beginning to surround them. they're in a position to eradicate these terrorists that i think we've all heard on the news over the last few days, they don't want to stop. they will never give up until they destroy israel and killerry you in israel. so i think there are ways to get people out of harm's way without in any way impairing israel's ability to 0rate. i hope that's the way we proceed. >> neil: are you frustrated to that extent, ambassador, when people do lecture you on what you should or shouldn't do and that you're between a rock and a hard place deciding it's very important that we not ease it on hamas. you're right. it's more than just semantics between a pause and a cease fire. activity ceases for a little bit at least.how do you handle that? >> i think you have to recognize what the objectives are, who the enemy is and what they will do to take advantage. there won't be new humanitarian relief. what will happen is, hamas will re-consolidate, they'll rearm, they'll steal all the fuel that they can steal that is let in to the strip, which i hope we're not letting any fuel in to the gaza strip. i know there's been a lot of pressure from america to do that. look, you know, when this started, this was a war. everybody recognized it was a war. everybody told israel to win the war. it's in the american interest, it's in the interest of all of israel's neighbors, it's in the interest of the gulf countries. they're all adverse to hamas. just let israel win the war. >> neil: apparently they're not all adverse to hamas. not that this is important to you for should it be, that you could be losing the p.r. war to hamas on this. when they garner the international sympathy and not israel for what you went through about a month ago. >> israel loses the p.r. war every time. it's unwinnable. you know, there's only 15 million jews in the world,ive million jews in israel a billion muslims and a half a billion people that just don't like jews. so you can shout from the rooftops what's going on. we're going to lose the p.r. war because there a lot of anti-semitism in the world. we can't let that influence israel's prosecution of this war. if hamas is not obliterated, the next day people can't sleep knowing there won't be an attack on their communities, their doors won't be pushed down, their families won't be -- you can't live like that. >> neil: final point. the royal of qatar to get americans out of gaza. they played an interesting sort of negotiating role here. seemed like an odd country. i'm curious what you make of that right now. this was brought up by peter doocy at the white house, the odd overtures to qatar. this is from earlier today. >> president biden said i want to thank our partners in the region and particularly qatar. the leader of hamas lives in qatar. so why is president biden thanking them for anything? >> oh, jeez, peter. take a step back and look at this. >> but their a terrorist group that kill americans and kidnapped americans within the last month. >> peter, qatar has been helpful in getting those americans out. i'm sure you'd agree with me and everybody here in your network would agree that getting american hostages out is a good thing. qatar was a key player in that regard. >> neil: real quickly, ambassador, should we be grateful to qatar? >> grateful is the wrong word. i understand. there's few countries that have relationships with hamas. we have 242 hostages living under the most vile of circumstances. we have to knock on every door. if they can help, take their help and let's be grateful. we need their help. nobody else can talk to hamas. long-term, why are they doing this? that's for another day. let's try to save the hostages right now. >> neil: all right. thank you very much, ambassador. we'll see where this goes. david freedman. some of the stuff on the left-hand side of your screen, the flares and explosions being seen now over gaza. let's go to the governors of texas is and oklahoma that are in tel aviv right now, greg abbott and governor stitt respectively. governors, why are you there? to you first, governor abbott. >> we're here to send a message. that is that the state of texas and oklahoma and the united states of america, we stand with israel. we're very concerned about misinformation across the globe, about what is happening on the ground here. listen, we just talked to victims in a hospital here in tel aviv that looked in the eye quite literally of evil, of their attackers trying to eliminate them because they're jewish. attackers that are so bad that they threw hand grenades in to medical tents. hand grenades in to ambulances. they care about one thing these terrorists do. they care about killing jewish people. that must end in the united states. we need a biden administration that will step up and provide the robust support that is needed to wipe hamas off the face of the map. >> neil: governor, this occurs with the backdrop where getting aid to israel might be stymied in the house. they have the israel first package that they want to make sure is paid for before they get it out there. how do you feel about that? >> i don't know -- we talked about spending $900 billion in our defense budget and a portion going to fight this pure evil, it's going to come to europe next, it's going to come to the u.s. i want oklahomans and texans and americans to understand basically there's 3,000 very organized terrorist military groups that entered in to their country and mowed women and children down. we just heard the stories. governor abbott and i are in the hospital right now with 23-year-old girls inside a bomb shelter as grenades were launched in on them. if that happened on u.s. soil, we would be fired up and we would absolutely go after these terrorist groups. so this is nonsense. this is pure evil. we need to fight this war. we need to make sure that israel has the support of their biggest ally. that's the united states of america. >> neil: governor abbott, you've been dealing with a migrant surge of enormous proportions. fbi director wray and other top intelligence officials fear among those sneaking in are those that could harm us and maybe take some inspiration of what hamas did to israel a few weeks ago and do it here. how do you feel about that? >> listen, neil, we're extraordinarily concerneded about it. be clear for one thing. four years ago, we had the lowest illegal border crossings if 40 years when joe biden came in to office however, he eliminated all of those good policies and now we have open border policies where this past year 2.4 million people were apprehended coming across the border illegally. as you know, neil, that includes the highest number ever of people that were on the terrorist watch list. we're concerned about terrorists in our country. the top job of the commander-in-chief is national security. joe biden is failing at national security because he's not keeping potential terrorists out of our country. the fbi director wray, for the president have in key whether or not there's somebody from hamas roaming around the united states of america that could strike this kind of deadly attack on our own country. we ned a president that will step up and secure our country against dangerous threats like hamas. >> neil: gentleman, i know you have to go. you've been on tour there. get home safely. the governors of texas and oklahoma respectively, greg abbott and kevin stitt. thanks. we're following this latest heightened activity, flares, explosions in the like going on now for the better part of 35, 40 minutes. keeping an eye on that and the protests that continue not only in that neck of the woods but all over the world, a lot of hatred out there, a woman that know as thing or two about it and how you respond to it after this. s damage, trust safelite. my customer really relies on his car's advanced safety system. 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>> more than anything, from the very beginning, i had to grow up very quickly, before the aim of 16. dealing with a father that left suddenly. back then, women didn't have the rights that they supposedly have now. my mother didn't have a credit card. she didn't have a bank account. he wouldn't pay for child support. so there were a lot of lessons that i learned -- >> neil: including racism. >> yes. what else was i supposed to do? i had to try and find a path in life where i was going to fight against all of this. it made my stronger. really did. what people don't realize, i moved very early because my father -- talk about racism. one of eight african american nuro -- surgeons in the country that couldn't practice on white patients. >> sandra: and i love this story. there was one country store that you had visited that was displaying the confederate flag. you bought the town. >> i didn't quite buy the town. >> neil: what happened to the flag? >> i bought the store. it was a gun shop. i think every time i went in to middleburg, virginia, i couldn't stand what it stood for. >> neil: it's a powerful statement doing it that way. a lot of people, jews that feel targeted around the world. small part of the population but targeted right now. what do you tell them? you've gone through a lot of this. >> yes, i've gone through a lot but it's a way you want to target or talk to people. is i think because of my arts background, i've been able to deal with issues in a very creative way. we do it through a film festival, we do it through food and wine event. >> neil: i like the food and wine. >> yes. to be able to deal with those difficult issues. i know through the arts around especially with my film festival, i've been able to bring in films to deal with the issues that we're talking about and to have panel discussions afterwards. how do we talk to one another, how do we better communicate. >> neil: if you had a situation like this, would you bring palestinian guests and jewish guests together and talk about it? >> i would. we have to start communicating and stop fighting with one another. i mean -- >> neil: this is beyond talk, this is crazy stuff. >> this is crazy stuff. i still feel as though in my heart of hearts that if we were to get together and talk about our issues and stop setting up barriers, it's the only way this world will continue. >> neil: so when we have a situation like what's going on in the middle east, hatred is real, it's there for everybody to see. everybody knows what happened four weeks ago. that was over the top nightmarish. >> absolutely. >> neil: how do you rationally explain that to people, jews who feel violated, others that feel that we haven't gotten over the horrors of the past. we keep almost reliving them. what do you do? >> i'll tell you what i did. i had the same recentment that came to me. it was a racial issue where i had to go up against people that lived in the area. but you know what i did? . i put myself in their shoes. i went in to the hearings and say i understand what you're going through. i don't want you to feel threatened. understand that i'm here to help. it was the way that we were able to communicate with one another. now, in the end, i only won by one vote. but i'm just saying to this day i have made more friends than enemies because i was able. it was the way me and my company and my team of executives were able to deal with that. >> neil: i think you had a midas touch. i think it goes back to you listened to everybody. >> you have to. >> neil: you don't isolate anyone. it's quite the opposite today. republicans and democrats -- >> i think what happens is we all talk too much. we have to answer the difficult questions. how do we get to the softer side and be able to start communicating in a better way. i've had to do it all my life in every situation. i've had three acts in life as a concert violinist and media and now in hospitality. you know, sometimes people talk way too much. they need to sit back and listen. really put yourself in their shoes and see where they're coming from. i don't think we're listening to one another. >> neil: yes. some tv anchors do that. let me ask you, sheila, stepping back. i really have to read the book. these stories are over the top. you had a husband that was cheating on you, treating you like crap. >> yeah. >> neil: you had a sister-in-law that was embezzling you. i could go on and on. that's the kind of person stuff that would eat away at me. >> i'll tell you something, it did eat away. about five years ago, so many people said to me you have to tell your side of the story. didn't know about it. i just did not make a big deal about it. i was behind the scenes working. >> neil: bob johnson was an iconic figure. in television -- >> i had something to do with it. >> neil: absolutely. but nobody knew at the time. did you not say wait a minute. this is all -- >> there were times that i confronted him. it escalated to the point that i just said, this is it. we have to sell the company. i was fired from the company. you know, i had put so much work in to the company and sweat equity and economic equity in to the company. it was time that i got pushed to the curb. i had had enough. it was time for me. i knew it was time that we needed to get out. it was time for me to start a new life. >> neil: but they later found out you were the brains. the smarts. the women never gets the credit. >> we never get the credit but we do put a lot of work. he's smart, too. i'll give him credit. i really wanted him to shine. >> neil: you were not vindictive about it. circles back. you know, to be vindictive, rightly so sometimes, in these hard times. what to you tell people who feel compelled to do that? >> that's what's going on in these wars. everybody is vindictive. when you do that, nobody wins. >> neil: easier said than done. >> i know that. but sometimes we're just going to have to try to figure this out. i didn't want to be vindictive. i just knew in my heart of hearts that i needed to move on. eventually people said you have to tell your side of the story. not being vindictive, that would have held me back in my third acted in life. i wouldn't have been able to move forward in building a new company. so you don't want to take that toxicity with you. that sets boundaries. you can't walk through the doors. there were opportunities that came up in the third act of my life from buying sports teams to be able to really help transform -- >> neil: so success is the ultimate revenge? >> it works. if you carry the grudges with you, you won't move forward. that's really interesting. wounds build wisdom. >> neil: you're right. we hold grudges for decades and have no idea why. but we to. thanks, sheila. a wonderful human being and a wonderful message. 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>> yeah, we've seen so much after 9-11 and the markets are resilient. there's been conflict in russia and ukraine. this conflict in israel will go on for a while. but it is good news. certainly the market has been struggling recently. as you mentioned, this week it's been going. >> neil: you think that that alone would ease concerns for the president who likes to point out the economy is great. we'll get an employment report that reflects that. in the latest polls, especially those looking at a three-way race involving him and donald trump and robert kennedy j., r.p.k. is get 22%. what do you think of that? >> it's astounding. more than one in five. if you look deep in the poll, independents are flocking to him. he's winning. r.f.k. jr. is winning indep independents. that shows you there's so much frustration of the two choices, the former president and the current president and frustration with the economy. you mentioned, the markets are doing well, unemployment is low. there's other inflation obviously still high and people are tired and they're tired of these two choices. that's why i think they're just looking at this as possibly a protest vote. >> neil: we harken back to ros per roy in 1992. he got 19% of the vote. that was a big deal. you have r.f.k. in a position of getting 22%. that's an interesting marker. >> it is. you remember that perot was winning that race at one point. >> neil: absolutely. >> this is a big deal that he's gotten to 22%. we'll see if he rises and certainly he stalled in the democratic primary, which wasn't a primary. that's why r.f.k. said i'm going to get out and become and independent. if he gets to high 20s or even low 30s, that is really -- that was the height of where perot was. that is one to watch. this is interesting also. and the data is starting to show contrary to what i've said before is that this is hurting trump more than biden. >> neil: that's what i'm hearing. struck me as a little odd. even when it comes to money that r.f.k. is getting, he's getting more from trump than biden voters. what do you make of it? >> both parties are very fractured. there are donors that are giving to rfk jr. that they don't want trump. of course, there's a number of democrats that don't want biden to run. if you look at the numbers, it's astounding how many democrats don't want biden to run. he will be the nominee barring some health setback. >> neil: thanks, bob. threw a lot at you including the markets. bob cusack on all of that. we're waiting for this house vote again on the this measure to provide aid to israel. about a 14.3 billion measure. the caveat there, the republicans want to make sure it's paid for. so they're cutting some irs funds. a lot of back and forth on that. you heard from nancy mace at the start of this show. we thought we would end with a powerful democrat, adam smith of washington. what he makes of this after this. ah mornings! cough? congestion? i'm feeling better. all in one and done with new mucinex kickstart. headache? better now. new mucinex kickstart gives all-in-one and done relief with a morning jolt of instant cooling sensation. it's comeback season. lowe's knows same-day delivery means getting what you need, right when you need it. holiday shopping got easier on affordable décor and more. you know you can get these all at once, right dad? 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>> first of all, just to be accurate, the republicans did not insist on paying for it. the so-called pay for cutting funding for the i.r.s. according to the c.b.o. will wind up increasing the deficit because you won't have people out there to collect taxes. it wasn't so much about paying for it as it was making this as partisan as possible. to try to make it more difficult for democrats to vote for it. which is problematic because we have bipartisan support on funding israel. and historically, we've worked in a bipartisan way to support israel, on this breaks that. and creates a partisan divide. and as far as the senate is concerned, part of it is maybe we link this to ukraine. actually, a lot of different issues in play. you've got israel. you've got ukraine. you've got what to do about the border, a very legitimate issue. and then you've got keeping the government open past november 17th and finally, actually pas passing appropriations bills before the end of the year. all of those things have to come together and everyone has a slightly different opinion about how they should come together. so we have to resolve that. >> neil: you're closer to all of it than i am, i get the sense, not pointing fingers at either party right now, that the possibility of the government shutdown looms pretty likely now. would only be a few weeks away. >> yeah, it's november 17th. and look, you know, when mike johnson got elected speaker, you know, he talked about how he doesn't want to shut down. there's a pretty clear path and that path is to do a straight c.r. to january 15th which speaker johnson has implied at one time or another he supports and i think we could get support for that. now, there's risk in that for democrats in that once you hit january 1, you get this automatic year-long c.r. with a 1% cut. but at least it would get us past a shutdown. but now, the speaker is talking about all manner of different things that would make it problematic. if we do a straight c.r., we can get past november 17th. >> neil: let me ask you about what's going on in israel right now, sir. as you know, there have been flares and explosions seen in the skies of gaza right now and it might be israel's way of telling the administration keen on seeing a pause in activity so we can get people out of that region in harm's way that a pause is no different than, you know, a complete cease-fire. it's only the time it takes. and they don't like being lectured to. what do you make of that? >> well, look, a pause is not the same as a cease-fire because they're two entirely different words. a pause is focused on short term humanitarian needs. a cease-fire implies that, ok, we're done fighting. let's start talking. >> neil: i think they were saying the pause could last many days, that's a concern to israel. >> well, that is not the position of the biden administration. the position is we need to be concerned about humanitarian conditions in gaza certainly for the civilians in gaza but also for israel. i mean, we don't want this war to spread. we don't want hezbollah involved and don't break out the abraham accords. >> neil: go beyond that, it gets to be problematic? >> look, a pause can be a matter of hours for that matter. you can have a situation where you've got humanitarian caravans bringing in aid that need like four or five hours to bring it in or you've got wounded or other people that you need to get out for a period of time. and it can be in specific corridors. there's a bunch of different ways to do it. but the overarching concern here is we do want to try and so does israel, by the way. israel is different than hamas and how they approach this. civilian population should matter. it's a matter of how you do it. >> neil: got it. great seeing you again. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> neil: all right. adam smith. go ahead and try to take this measure up and see how it goes. meantime, here comes "the five." >> dana: hello, everyone. i'm dana

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