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Maine on edge tonight as Law Enforcement work round the clock trying to catch robert carr. Hes a suspect in the Mass Shootings that killed at least 18 people. He should be considered armed and dangerous. Based on our investigation, we believe this is someone that should not be approached. We will work day and night alongside our Law Enforcement partners to get the answers to the questions this community deserves. No rest. Law enforcement in maine as the manhunt continues. Welcome back, everybody. Im kevin cork. Hey, kevin. And im Griff Jenkins on this early, busy friday morning. Were keep an eye also on the middle east where u. S. Fighter jets have struck iran linked sites in syria. A short while ago in retaliation for attacks on american troops in the middle east. Now the strikes following 19 attacks on u. S. Bases in iraq and syria, thats injured at least 21 u. S. Personnel. Just hours ago, President Biden ordering two f16 fighter jets, Strike Weapons and ammunitions, facilities associated with irans revolutionary guard in syria. Lets go live to fox news correspondent lucas tomlinson, who is live for us in tel aviv. Hey, lucas. Well, griff, the red line for, the United States for many years has been the death to any americans. Thats exactly what happened just a few days ago when American Contractor was killed following one of those Drone Strikes inside iraq. And in the Early Morning hours, President Biden authorizing a retaliatory strike, elderly Terror Strike in selfdefense is what the pentagon is calling it, launching a pair of u. S. Air force f16s, those Viper Striking in Eastern Syria. An apple commercial right on the border with iraq. Targets were Weapons Depots used by irans proxy forces in the region. Its an escalatory strike going up. The escalatory ladder. Of course, the president will have a full menu of options. And this one struck intended to send a message to iran and its proxy forces. Defense secretary lloyd austin saying in a statement, iran is trying to hide its hand in all this and we will not let them. That was the quote from the Defense Secretary. And theres no question by striking in the Early Morning hours at a weapons defo, not a barracks, that this was intended to minimize the casualty figures, but no doubt send a message iran in the process script and in the statement from Secretary Of Defense secretary austin that he says if attacks by irans proxies against u. S. Forces continue, we will not hesitate to take further necessary measures to protect our people. Its an interesting, as you mentioned, that escalation ladder. Just talk to me, if you will. Very interesting point you were making in the last hour, which is why it was the f16 jets that were used as opposed to, say, Tomahawk Missiles or griff, the Eisenhower Strike Group has not yet reached the mediterranean. Still in the eastern atlantic. Some of her escorts just left the azores a few days ago. Shes still a day or two out from the mediterranean. Well, you do have u. S. Warships. The red sea launching tomahawk cruise missiles would be tough because youd have to do overflight rights. Those missiles would be flying over saudi, jordan, iraq by launching these f16s, likely from Dover Air Base in the uae. You can have Precision Strikes ,but also not nearly as you know, youd be much to do it with the fighter jets dropping on the target. Eastern syria is a largely ungoverned area. This area be placed in the iraqs border. This is formerly isis controlled territory. Years ago. But bashar alassad, syrias president , really does not govern these spaces in Eastern Syria. In fact, the u. S. Still has 900 troops in syria, some of them have come under attack in recent days. You have 2500 u. S. Troops in neighboring iraq, but its certainly telling that these strikes are carried out in syria and iraq, which many Officials Say really has just become another province of iran. And you probably would not have the support of iraqs Prime Minister carrying out those strikes against these iranian backed forces. Griff. Great insight. Lewis hamilton, live for us in tel aviv. Lucas, well check back in with you as the news warrants, kevin. All right, great. Lets bring in dakota wood, former Lieutenant Colonel of the u. S. Marine corps and lead operational and logistic planner for u. S. Central command during initial Operation Response to the September 11th attacks. Great to have you with us again, my friend. I just want to get your reaction to what President Biden had to say. He said the happened to make clear that the u. S. Will not tolerate such attacks and will defend itself, its personnel and its interests. That according to the Defense Secretary austin. Your reaction to that statement. Well, its as normal. Its too little too late. I mean, how many times of American Force been attacked, not just in the past several days or weeks, but over the last couple of years while joe biden has been president. So, you know, your own reports are talking about the number of people, the number attacks that the u. S. Has suffered in response. Now we send two aircraft to hit a couple of munitions storage sites. So i think what the message is to our enemies in the region is they can hit us and attack our people almost with impunity. And the only response well have is in the dead of night against a Weapons Depot as opposed to extracting casualties from, iranian or the iranian backed militias that were involved. So i think it was a weak response. The u. S. Needs to do more. Otherwise, again the message is you can attack america and not much happens in return. Let me sort of drill down on that, colonel, because i had a similar reaction, because i know how hard this administration has worked to create some sort of a relationship with the regime in iran, whether its making sure that they repatriate the money that they had or trying to create some sort, a Peace Circumstance that would at least tamp down some the tensions in the region. Im wondering how much of a difficult choice from Policy Perspective do you think it was for the for the white house, for the administration to make this strike . Is the fact that this strike was on, as you say, a facility in the middle of the night . Is that more a reflection of not wanting to overdo it, or am i reading too much into that . No, i think youre on the mark there. The administration always wants to find this fine line of doing something. Oftentimes after a lot of public pressure, whether its touting, you know, chinese balloons over the United States, some other activity and not doing too much. So with with iran, you know, give them 6 billion. But there are these protests in the white house and now isnt ransom being paid for hostages when everybody clearly knows thats whats going on, that the money wont be used to support Terror Groups . And Everybody Knows that money is fungible. And if you give them money for medicine, they can use your own money. Then for weapons, Terrorist Groups to try to disassociate u. S. Operations and iranian strikes against American Forces from whats going on in israel. But hamas is horrific attack against israel. Israels response. U. S. To israel. As if these attacks against American Forces arent its own sort of messaging against the United States. So i think is an attempt at nuance, an attempted balance, attempted proportionality. Is the administration, once again to do something but not enough to actually carry the day and send a very clear, compelling message to the enemy thats been attacking us in the or 30 seconds or so that i have left . Is this a pattern behavior from your perspective, colonel . No absolutely. I mean, you can look at other president ial administrations, the nature of the response show under donald trump. If you remember the Missile Strikes into syria in response to the use of chemical munitions against some of their own citizens. So this is a very weak, tepid response by the Biden Administration. And i think what will happen is more attacks against u. S. Forces in the region. I do remember those tea lambs flying over. It was a very big deal at the time. Colonel wood, thank so much. We appreciate it. Obviously, well touch base with you again later on this morning. But for now, thank you, my friend, griff. Take care. Thank you, kevin. Turning now to, our other big story overnight, Law Enforcement working around the clock to hunt down the gunman suspected of killing at least 18 people in maine. We are learning that agents from an elite border Tactical Unit are on the ground assisting with the search. Lets go to fox news correspondent mollie line live in lewiston, maine, with the latest. Mollie. Hi, griff. That Tactical Unit joining many others that are here on the Ground Swat Units all sorts of things that have been out Prowling Forest Near where the car that robert cart had been believed being used to to flee the two Mass Shooting Scenes here in lewiston was found in lisbon. So these units that joins a big, big team that have been spread out all across this area earlier today in the Community Hometown of robert card, boughton, there was significant amount of activity, Law Enforcement there been using a bullhorn essentially to try and get anyone in the residences there along meadows road to come out Calling Robert by name, but also asking just anyone inside to come outside. They went using flash bangs and the state police said these announcements essentially heard over that loudspeaker were standard Search Warrant announcements. So they didnt know for certain that he was inside, but they wanted to take all the precautions necessary to protect their Law Enforcement and give an individual that might have been in that building. The chance to exit card was inside. He did not exit. And this search continues. And you mentioned that Tactical Unit very successful resolving some other high profile they helped track and find the pennsylvania murderer Daniel Cavalcante most recently and joining a lot of assets here on the ground. You know, and in the sky there are helicopters, there are drones being dogs, of course, and multiple Tactical Units. The coast guard now involved as well. They had a Helicopter Up from Boothbay Harbor little bit to the south here, which means that this search expanded to the waterways. We knew that was a strong possibility because there are lakes, rivers all over this rural area, this rural state of maine, a lot of forest land, a lot of woodland making for a very difficult terrain. Now, 24 hours after this Mass Shooting claimed 18 lives and left many others fighting for their lives. Tonight, grief in molly. Many wondering what was the motive. We obviously dont know. Investigators havent tipped their hand to what they think it may be, but the investigators seem to have learned a little bit about his Mental Health history. What can you tell us . Yeah, thats one of the big concerns. Hes an Army Reservist and with a significant amount, Weapons Training and was a trainer himself, could teach other people to use weapons. So thats an aspect theyre concerned about. But when it comes to his Mental Health, there were some internal Law Enforcement documents that showed he had recently been Hearing Voices and had sought Mental Health treatment over the summer, had been in treatment for about two weeks. His had been concerned about his Mental Health recently as well. And that it all led to him ultimately getting at least a little bit of treatment over the summer. Thats also an aspect in this search as well. Whether or not that leads to or less unpredictability in what authorities may know that theyre not telling us as far as his Mental Status. Well find out more as this goes on. But that is a concern. Well, as just his proficiency, proficiency proficiency in weapons is another thing that theyre worried about, particularly in these dark overnight hours, daylight to come and hopefully will give them another chance at finding this suspect griff. Great information in the manhunt continues. Molly lyon live for us on the ground in lewiston, maine. Molly, thank you. Kevin, thank you so much. Land to cover there. Were talking about from boden all the way down to lewiston and points in between. We want to welcome retired nypd lieutenant joe cardinal. Joe, i just want to ask you about perimeter. Obviously, you have multiple crime. You have his home. You have as mentioned, even a waterway now with the coast. Hes getting involved. How do you sort of set up a perimeter here to begin to continue to tighten the net . Well, as mollie mentioned, its very tough. Look at daniel. The same unit dealt with him on a much smaller scale and thats somebody who was not familiar with the area. Now you have an individual whos very familiar with the area, you know, and those knows it better than anybody else. And he has traveled that waterway quite frequently. Now, you dont know whether hes hunkered down inside, you know, or a spot that nobody knows about made his own little home over there, away from home. Has supplies, anything down there . So theyre trying to, you know, decipher everything the Family Members that are speaking to them. Now, you have to get an understanding of what you know, what this is all about. As far as we know, his Mental Status was, wasnt there . All right. But what about him to people . What about him associating with people . Is it that much of a loner. Does he speak to his family and tell them things that you know . Im going to go here. Im going to go there. Does he have somebody he fish with or hunted with . Maybe that person or those persons can point them in the right direction. Until then, they have to keep going systematically through the properties and gathering all the information, through computers, through his phone, and find out anything that they can through those means, and then just take it from there. You just have to hope that hes not out of that area, that they suspect them to be in. I know from your perspective ,lieutenant, this is the kind of circumstance that you would just to just be on the job. You want to hunt this guy for as long as it takes. And yet fatigue is a real thing. You have to get shift changes in there. You have to make sure that the briefings are happening so everybody is on the same page at the same time. Im just curious, how do you coordinate in a circumstance like this when you have state, local and federal, and now military groups and assets all working together . What they have is a Command Center and everybody goes through that Command Center. Every commander thats there commanding his his or her troops over there is well aware of whos on how long theyve been on for and then getting giving them the rest that they need between. But ill tell you right now, so many times we ran on pure adrenaline that you just kept going and you just wanted to get to the to the source of everything and get this person in custody. So theyre well aware of, you know, what their the manpower is and, what the capabilities are, the manpower. And theyre also well aware of which direction they may have to go. You know, kevin, this is such an unknown right now, because hes got the advantage in many ways. We have the advantage by having the manpower necessary to go out there and the means to go out there with the drones and today, technology is a lot more advanced than when i was on the job. And theyve theyve taken it to levels that, you know, people dont realize, you know, that they can do things with machines that saves the manpower on the ground sometimes. So i know people do not to hear this, but you do have to give it some time to work. I mean, it was two weeks with Daniel Cavalcante and i remember covering that with with the network, and it was very tiresome for them, but they were dogged on it. They went out there and they stayed on it. And the same team thats there now was there. So theyre familiar with what they have to do to get the job done. Last question i have for you, joe, in this segment, and its this, how important would it be to get him in ally with this man, maybe suicidal . He may be fatalistic, but to have him in, to bring him in . I would imagine that would be hugely important. Talk about that. It is important. Its important the families to give a rhyme or reason as to why he committed this heinous act. I mean, think about it. Everybodys seen it. And the big question is why . Why did he do this . And hes the only one that can really answer it unless he has a Manifest Someplace that spells out everything. And the reason for it, we know some of his grumblings. We know exactly what that was all about. He has you know, he was very, you know, angry with the with the the reserves and the army and everything. So he has this anger towards them. But to lash out and take this another direction and take innocent lives like that, this is the they want. So of course you want them alive, but you also do not want to have any other lives spent at his expense. All right. So theyre going to take every precaution. And that means taking him out. They will take him out. You have you have to neutralize him. You have to do what you have to do to protect the community. Joe cardinal, a retired lieutenant from the nypd, my friend, thank you so much. Well talk to you again real soon. Meantime, a lot of Breaking News at this hour of fox news confirming that Israeli Forces executed a brief incursion into gaza for a second night in a row. And u. S. Fighter jets striking several targets in syria as they retaliate against. A spike in attacks on american troops in the middle east. More on these developing stories alongside grim jenkins. Im kevin corke. Stay with us. This feels like something you do not to be alone. It has legs. Going to be a long night dont be scared. No problems. It looks like he may have a visitor on watch. What was that . I got to get out of here. I was alone. Do you have too much body fat . It tends to accumulate on your stomach, hips and thighs. Are you struggling to lose weight . Does it seem like no matter what you do, you just cant get rid of excess body fat . 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The pentagon bolstering its posture in the middle east, sending hundred troops to the region. This as u. S. Forces conduct those on iran backed groups, sending a clear message to tehran. Former military Intelligence Officer john jordan is the overseer at Stanfords Hoover Institution and joins us now. John, thank you for getting up for us early this morning with your background as a military Intelligence Officer and a pilot, by the way. Did these f16s get it right . What do you make of this deterrence strike . Not much. This is basically a toe tap. All of this just didnt magically happen. I am also a russian speaker and october 8th. And what i see is would be a russian tv show, ali baraka, one of the leaders of hamas, said that theyve been planning this for two years now, and part of the planning is anticipating the response by israel and by the west. So these attacks on americans servicemen were calibrated to trigger an american response, probably to shore up domestic Public Opinion in iran to get rid of hezbollah and all of these different groups in line and to further entangled the United States and the United States inside this conflict, which only serves irans interests. So theres been a lot more planning in this, and theyve got a big head start in Defense Secretary austins statement put out. He says the u. S. Does not seek conflict this is only to defend the u. S. Troops in syria, in iraq that were threatened and targeted and attacked. But you are saying essentially sort of what officials are also saying, which is that irans fingerprints are all over. Where does this go . Well, its not just. This is whats not really talked about is the confluence of interests, americas adversaries, including. Believe it or not, north china and russia. Everyone is involved and has an interest in seeing the United States bogged down in a conflict which slows down the Peace Process between saudi arabia and israel, bogs down the United States militarily, gives china some options. In the far east, for example, you know, when donald trump left office, iran was exporting 500,000 barrels of oil a day. Now, 3 million that changed two and a half million difference, mostly discounted oil going to china. Meanwhile, china is trying to grow their influence, the middle east establishing bases, even having joint Military Drills with saudi arabia. So this is all been planned out. And whether its i dont know the degree of coordination between all the parties, but theyre at a minimum are watching with each other, is doing and trying to piggyback off each other. You know, john, you really piqued my interest here. And i was just at our state department sort of daily schedule. And Secretary Blinken is meeting with chinas Foreign Minister of sorts tomorrow here in washington. So do you surmise that this come up, that the strikes on, these targets and, of course, the the wider conflict playing out in gaza . Yeah, itll come up. The administration is, you know, almost obsessively focused on having the appearance of calming things down with china. So they can pursue their other agenda. Climate change and to try to polish the polish the apple. So it would it appear to the American People that things are calmed down, especially as we go into an election. The administration has shown no appetite whatsoever for confronting china and its malign behavior or iran in this ,which is what invited this. So youre going to look new to see this try to be papered over and not engaged substantively by Secretary Blinken, because the administration has demonstrated no wish to do so in the past. And they certainly arent going to start now. Well, thats a good point. And it is clear that this administration, in american interests, do want this much wider conflict. But but let me step back for a second. As a military Intelligence Officer, what do you think irans motive is here . Because they also dont want to escalate this rapidly because theyre going to be ultimately on the losing end of this . Well, iran has a couple of goals here. First of all, you know, their economy has certainly improved since biden took office, going from 4 billion in foreign currency reserves over 70. Now with what the administer the Sanctions Administrations relaxed. So they want to do that because they have domestic political problems and unrest. So they want to stir up nationalistic fervor, involve the United States in a conflict with them that only helps irans leadership sometime honored tactic of autocrats throughout history. Secondly, they want to slow down or or stop the progress of the started by the Trump Administration under the abraham accords. They desperately need to stop the, you know, israel and saudi arabia from concluding some sort of Diplomatic Recognition and making peace. The impetus behind which is really as almost an alliance against iran. And thats something that tehran wont count. Its in there taking advantage of the weakness of the Biden Administration, what theyve shown over the last two years to accomplish those goals. John jordan of course, early on this friday morning of a busy news cycle. John, thank you very much. It comes as u. S. Forces are sending a clear message to iran and its proxies as they carry out airstrikes in facilities in syria. Well have a live report from the middle east next. Hearing different ways for me to screen for colon cancer. Its time to use my voice. Ive got a choice. More than one answer. I sat down with my dog. We had a talk. You just want to say i asked for a color guard and did it my way. Color guard is a one of a kind way to screen for colon cancer. 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Lets bring back fox news correspondent lucas tomlinson, whos on the ground in tel aviv. Lucas, what can you tell us . Well, griff, the pressure been mounting both in washington, here in israel, after the u. S. Troops were attacked 19 times in the past ten days, and on the orders, President Biden, the u. S. Military carrying out those airstrikes. As you mentioned, a pair of vipers likely flying from Al Dhafra Air base. The united arab emirates, carrying out those strikes, targeting iranian backed forces in Eastern Syria, and the small town of abu kamala, which is not far from the border with iraq. Certainly the timing of this strike notable because they hit sites. Not likely. Man, this is not a barracks. This was infrastructure, but certainly the first stage on the escalation ladder. And Senior Pentagon officials giving a briefing to reporters last night said they could even strike again, that this might not be limited to just one strike. Griffin. Look at this. I dont want to put you on the spot here, but, you know, were hearing a lot about the escalation and ladder and, of course, that this was pentagon saying this was a precision strike. We saw it from a pair of f16s on these specific targets. What might if iran does not get the message and it goes to the next of the escalation ladder. What does that look like . More of the same precision or does that include Something Different . Theres no question the pentagon as a whole menu, if you will, a whole list of options to just turn up the volume and ratchet up the pressure. You could start targeting those proxy forces, start killing people, start killing these fighters. Griffin theres no question youve got drones in the air Satellite Satellites in space that are watching these proxy forces. In fact, what the pentagon said with this strike was some of the weapons stored in these facilities in Eastern Syria were used to attack u. S. Forces. Again, 19 times over the past ten days. The pressure is mounting. We heard it in the White House Briefing room from our own Jackie Heinrich about when will the president respond. Secretary of state blinken said the u. S. Will be acting and decisively to defend itself, and thats what the pentagon is calling these strikes tonight. Selfdefense, narrowly tailored strikes, but certainly these irans proxy forces are scattered throughout the middle east in syria, in iraq. You know, the United States still has 900 troops in syria, has 2500 in iraq. And for a long time, you know, for the white house, for the u. S. Government, long time u. S. Policy is, if any americans are killed, the United States is going to strike back. And remember that contractor died of a heart attack during one of those attacks in iraq. And thats one of the reasons that was one of the calculus was, listen, the statement from the Defense Secretary that the u. S. Would strike back and mentioned that contractors death. But well see if tehran gets the message well just. Tomlinson live for us in tel aviv. Lucas, well check back in with you as the news warrants. Kevin thank you. Griffith Law Enforcement widening the Frantic Search for robert carr, the suspect on nights deadly Mass Shooting that rocked lewiston, maine. We want to go back to our foxnews correspondent there, molly lyons. She has the very latest on the manhunt. Molly, i know that you joined us overnight last night. Youve been there pretty much on the clock nonstop. And yet i know that its a slow process. Its a slow walk, but theyre still working. Theyre still churning. Tell me what you can about where we are right now. Yeah, pretty frustrating situation this. Suspect robert card remains at large now more than 24 hours after this Mass Shooting at two different locations unfolded here in the city of lewiston. His found in a nearby Community Called lisbon, and then his his hometown, really a massive amount of activity there this evening as searches went on at a family property, family compound property, multiple structures. There were flash bangs and, authorities calling for anyone inside to come out, calling his name specifically that never came to anything. He never materialized, came out of those buildings. There were Search Warrants conducted. They went, they looked. We dont know what sort of evidence they may have collected. But they definitely did not collect the suspect that they are looking for. So that hunt goes on. Enormous amounts of assets poured into area here. Weve seen a lot of choppers. Drones are in use here. Of course the k9 dogs and multiple Tactical Units as well. Kevin, molly, weve had a chance to talk about the Law Enforcement angle. Weve spent some time talking about the legal angle. Im wondering about the the human angle, if you will. Tell me what you can about what youve seen. Whats the vibe . I know the Community Must be in absolute shock. You know, this is a small city, less around 35,000 people. And the other nearby communities that are impacted as well are small communities. Lisbon, where the car was less than 10,000 people. So there are a lot of people that are finding out who these victims are now finding out that theyve lost their friends ,their loved ones, and a lot of these people know each other as well. You know, their friends that would meet up to go bowling. So there are multiple Friend Groups and Family Groups that are impacted by this. There was a Reunification Center set up in the immediate aftermath of the shooting ongoing. And the mayor there talking about some of the incredible shock and distress that he was witnessing as people were coming in with their children, with teenagers looking for their loved ones so that the kids or the teenagers may not have been there at the site of the shooting, but they were looking for an important loved one. And we are getting word now and these days as Family Notifications are still being conducted, but were beginning to learn that some of these people that lost their lives, you know, were fathers and sisters and a lot of young men. So theres a lot of pain in this community right now. And people are just going to begin to start seeing the faces in the next 24, 48 hours or so. Kevin and i think that is an under told story. I know that youve done just such a great job for us. I do feel awful. Not just for the families, but also, as you mentioned, the first responders. Yes, they have to sort of put on their hat of work. But remember, their neighbors. These are people from their communities as well. And it is a difficult situation all around. Molly lyon, thank you so much. And of course, well touch base with you again, griff, given them all. Thank you. Lets turn now to Fox News Contributor ted williams, former d. C. Police detective and Defense Attorney and someone i have spent a lot of time with in my career on these manhunts with you. We were talking in a previous hour, ted, kevin was mentioning you were talking with him about, you know, dannemora, the prison break in upstate new york. But as we look at whats happening in maine and mollys reporting there, it seems that theres all these signs, ted, that this was planned, that card had planned this. But we really dont have a motive. Now, i want to play for you quick, ted, a sound bite from nicole parker, former fbi special agent, weighing in on what she suspects may be the motive of the shooter. Listen. Theres always a Precipitating Stressor or factor that leads an individual to do Something Like this. The pathway to violence. Theyre always going to be looking at the grievance. What was the grievance . Was there his girlfriend that he exgirlfriend, that he was trying to find the grievance, the motivation the ideation, it all is going to be contributed. And this investigation, the motive is also going to be important to look at, because thats going to help Law Enforcement determine, where his next steps may be and where hes hiding out. Ted, what do you make about the possibility of a motive . You know, thats the 64,000 question. Riff raff, i think what we have to do and you and i have done it on many occasions. We to think outside the box and we have to try to wonder. Is this a spree killer . Meaning robert court or in or is he really a mass killer . Maybe, just maybe, when we think outside the box that hes using this Mental Illness as a camouflage for being a spree killer. And ill tell you why i say that, griff. We know that he shot up two places. Now, what happens with a mass shooter is they normally go to one location, shoot it up. They either kill us or escape from that one place. But this man here went to two different locations after he went to these two locations. He went down the highway toward his home in boulder, but he stopped in lisbon, dropped off the court air. It is my understanding that he may very well have left a cell phone there. So when you look at all of those things, it may be very well that we are dealing with a spree killer and probable audience to know spree killer is a person who kill on multiple occasions. Just step back, take some time, and then try to kill again. And im sure that Law Enforcement is looking at that. Griff thats a great point. Ted. And, you know, when you think about the possibility of him being a spree killer, you have to also look at what makes this case and this manhunt unique in that this is an individual with Weapons Knowledge and familiarity as an instructor. He knows the area which is remote. So he has an advantage there. And he clearly has gotten however far his plan that he thought without without really any close calls. I mean, we saw the search on the house and it turned up sort of nothing. So how much of a threat. Do you think he is on the loose right now. Or he is a tremendous to our society. Hes armed. Hes dangerous. And if hes still alive, hes very smart and cunning. And again, he may very well have used all this or this mental. Hell illness thing that weve all ran down that rabbit hole as a reason perhaps for this. And it may not be that mentally ill. He may just be what i define as a cold blooded killer. And he may very well be willing to kill again. But playing a dangerous game with Law Enforcement here. Our cat and mouse game. Hes left his car. Hes left possibly his cell phone. Hes along the waterway or he may very well. And Law Enforcement has to be very consciously aware that this may and may very well again. Ted, theres no doubt that that cell phone could hold key pieces of information and but nobody does this better than you. And ive gotten a chance spend so much time with you on these cases. And i know when weve been on the ground. You have specific things. You are looking for. You think Law Enforcement may be looking for in their hunt . What do you suspect in addition to like the cell phone . Did Law Enforcement may be trying to get their on right now to piece this together . The one thing they may be doing, griff, is not only talking to Family Members, but his associates and his friends trying to find out who hes closest to, who he has established a rapport with, because griff, if he is alive, he is going to rear head, and thats when Law Enforcement hopefully will be able to catch him. But theyve got to be patient. This man is a survivor. Hes been out there. He knows the wilderness. He knows the land. And he knows this a lot better than Law Enforcement. But one of the things, griff, that is happening and you have dealt with this primarily on the borders. That group thats coming in vortex. They are trained. We know what they did. Rip Cavalcante In pennsylvania recently, and we know what theyve done in the past that you thought articulated some of those things. So we really have a group of professors regionals coming in who know what theyre doing and may very well may be able to help to capture this guy. Thats a great point, ted. And you know, when times ive been on the border, ive spent time with Border Tech Guys and in the way they caught cavalcante the significant thing last month, pennsylvania, was that the weather have gotten bad. They were closing on Cavalcante In, of course, the usual assets of drones and whatnot could not withstand the weather but the vortex agents whos been spend their entire professional careers lying in is what they call it. They can sit for hours and hours and hours very still in dirt, in heavy, thick brush in a storm. And thats how they brought them in. But but let me ask you this. Do you think weve seen this in other cases, ted . Do you think that in this case card got a little bit of a head start . Because in these cases there is a period of time, sometimes 24 to 48 hours that elapse before the resources of the fbi and the resources of the border patrols Elite Board Tech Unit Come in. That gives him times the suspect time to run. Do you feel like perhaps hes got a head start and now theyre playing catch up . Youre bringing up a very excellent card. We remember in griff. You remember up panama, new new york, when we went ahead. Matt and matt or matt or sweat took escape. They went through underground, got to get out of there, and they had a head start. I believe here that he tried and he may very well have been successful, meaning caught if hes still alive. He gave himself a head start by dropping that cause in our list in there. And he may very well be headed in the canadian toward the canadian border. And if you remember, thats what matt and sweat did in dannemora, new york, once they were given a head and attempted to escape, they headed straight toward that. One of them just about made it to the border and he was shot by a State Trooper and hes now back in jail. But we must break out of the box. Weve got to stop thinking about, hey, this poor guy had a million this and he had a Mental Breakdown and he did this and that. That could be a camouflage right here. Spree activity by thinking outside of the box may bring him custody. The manhunt continues. Ted williams, thanks for being up early for us. Great insight, as always. Kevin bright. Thank you, chris. U. S. Warplanes have carried out an airstrike in syria. A pair of f16 striking targets in the country just hours ago in retaliation for attacks on u. S. In that region that actually injured 21 americans, u. S. Service personnel as well. A senior u. S. Defense official says israel was not informed of the carrying out of those airstrikes against the irgc. Joining us again is former military Intelligence Officer and overseer at stanfords hoover institute, john jordan. John, i loved your conversation with griff earlier. I want to sort of dive back into it. I want to first begin by asking you to react to what iran is saying about the support for israel. And im quoting now, if the u. S. If israels retaliation against the palestinians in the gaza strip doesnt end, then the u. S. Will quote, not be spared from this fire. Your reaction to that. Well, the hidden threat here is, hezbollah possibly inside the United States. I think thats the subtext here. But heres the big issue, kevin, is this has been set in motion for over two years. Ali booker said this to russian television. I watched it in russian where he basically said, weve been planning this since the u. S. Fled from afghanistan. So what the iranians have set up and theyve very carefully is a set of moves which placed the United States in bad choices. Were in where we have to either deescalate in first humiliation or risk a wider war. And theyre managing this very carefully. And what they want to do is drive the from the middle east. And the chinese wish to help the chinese wish to grow their presence there and secure their Energy Supplies in which theyre completely from the persian gulf. And theres a lot of layers to this. You have north korea supplying arms to russia. So it is a is a combination of the unpalatable that are conspiring set and to stretch the United States resources and force us into and political and most importantly, diplomatic retreats. The effect of which is to grow their influence and force some people, even in the pacific, to be more committed to beijing and to iran and this is their long term goal, and theyve been working on it for two years. And so we need to play some catch up. We absolutely do need to play some catch up. Im glad you mentioned that because i pointed out earlier tonight were talking about ukraine and russia. Were talking about china, taiwan. They would end north korea even, which often doesnt come up in conversation. There are a number of actors around the globe that would love to see the u. S. Involved in the sort of protracted entanglement in the. I also want to get your take on something that i heard someone mention, and i thought it was interesting as well. It was sort of described this way with the u. S. Doing, what it can to sort of try to thread this needle. It does run the risk of mission escalation. Because i think a lot of people in the region wont be as nuanced in talking about, well, this was a targeted strike. They will simply see us, israel, its us against them. Am i wrong . No, youre absolutely right that Public Opinion in the middle east is what iran is playing to is certainly not going to get that nuanced about it. This is going to be the same old conflict of islam versus israel all over again. What the administration should do and what they wont do because they politically cant is really isnt and go back after iran in terms of sanctions is reimposed that trump era Sanctions On Iran that basically broke the wall unit of currency took 85 of its value, knocked their Foreign Exchange reserves back to 4 billion, and was causing economic unrest in iran. The Biden Administration let them off the map by trying to resuscitate the the Iran Nuclear Deal and doing everything the opposite of what the trump of the Previous Administration did. But they need to go back so that if they do that, theyre not risking Military Escalation at all. And have the advantage, but they cant. Former military Intelligence Officer john jordan, always a pleasure, my friend. I really appreciate your insight. Looking forward to continuing our conversation. Meantime, well be back. More coverage of the two major stories happening tonight. U. S. Airstrikes in the middle east and the hunt in maine for mr. 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