jail time and increases the likelihood. and instead he'll go through a very embarrassing trial. without any real defense. i mean also suggested that perhaps he was the one who'd -- wasn't going to check the box. while you're going to have the gun dealer -- dealership owner who stood there was going to describe him doing that. >> martha: so why do you think that he did it shaw didn't plead guilty if you think it would be the easier way out for him here? >> because i think this is looking like a nullification strategy. gerry nott of -- notification is when you either explicitly or implicitly encourage injury to ignore the evidence and this is the place to do it. wilmington is the biden hometown. this is the favorite son of the favorite son and i think that there is hope here that in the combination with sympathy for the addiction and perhaps sympathy for the family, you can get a hung jury or even jury notification because that is the only viable option i can