Transcripts For FBC Fox Business Democracy 2020 Presidential Debate 20240712

Lou dobbs, maria bartiromo. Charles, what do you think is most at stake for the president tonight . If you buy the consensus he is down in the p, whateverou think of the polls he has got to make the stronger pitch, a, do you buy that and what does he do . I think he has got, he has got to again remind people, because we talked earlier about the fact that you know, at this point a lot of folks are taking their own personal economy for granted. A lot of people still have jobs. Their wages have gone up. They have bought a house. Homeowner ship the highest level since Third Quarter of 2018. The highest ever for hispanics. He has to remind them, listen this, doesnt happen by accident. You went through eight years we recovered from a recession but it was the worst postrecession recovery in history. We were limping along. When my policies hit there is a direct line. You know the tax cuts went into effect in january of 2018. That year immediately we saw bluecollar wages skyrocket. It wasnt a tax cut that just benefited the socalled rich. This is something that actually changed the lives of everyday americans. I want him to do that. By the way, when they hit him on the covid thing, this is the one of the favorite punching bags in the media, a talking point of democrats, at this very moment, here are two headlines i read today, just moments ago. Italy did everything right, so what went wrong . 80. 3 of their coronavirus cases are happening in homes. Only 4 outside activities including school. Germany hits a record surge, 11,000 in 24,000, up from the prior record on friday, 7,000. So my point is, this whole notion that trump was dumb, he did everything wrong, the world ran circles around us, it is just not true. It is simply not true. Neil did you have to drag italy into it, charles . I will talk to you later about that. Were about a minute away. Charles has to go ahead and hit italia. Here is where we stand right now. The debate will start. There are 15 minute categories. 15 minutes for a subject to come up, then another subject. Six of them. Two minute intros. The two candidates are standing a little more than 12 feet apart. There is no plexiglass between them. The ideas we have wendys sort of a drivethru motif, that is not the case in nashville tonight. The pressure certainly right now on Kristen Welker of nbc. It didnt go so well for Chris Wallace at the last debate, beyond his control because the candidates took things out of control. She has promised that will not happen tonight. This is americas chance to see whether she can deliver on that. The president ial debate begins now. Good ening from Belmont University in nashville, tennessee. Im Kristen Welker of nbc news and i welcome you to the final 2020 president ial debate between president donald j. Trump and former Vice President joe biden. Tonights debate is sponsored by the commission on president ial debates. It is conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the commissions Health Secure advisor. The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. No cheers, boos or other interruptions except right now as we welcome to the stage former Vice President joe biden and president donald j. Trump. [applause] i do want to say a very good evening to both of you. This debate will cover six major topics at the beginning of each section, each candidate will have two minutes uninterrupted to answer my first question. The Debate Commission will then turn on their microphone only when it is their turn to answer. And the commission will turn it off exactly when the two minutes have expired. After that both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters im going to ask you to please speak one at a time. The goal is for you to hear each other and for of the American People to hear every word of what you both have to say. And so with that, if youre ready. Lets start. We will begin with the fight against the coronavirus. President trump, the first question is for you. The country is heading into a dangerous new phase. More than 40,000 americans are in the hospital tonight with covid including record numbers here in tennessee and since the two of you last shared a stage 16,000 americans have died from covid. Please be specific. How would you lead the country during this next stage of the Coronavirus Crisis . Two minutes uninterrupted. So as you know 2. 2 Million People modeled out were expected to die. We closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from china. It is a worldwide pandemic. It is all over the world. You see spikes in europe and many other places right now. If you notice the mortality rate is down 85 . The excess mortality rate is way down and much lower than almost any other country and were fighting it and were fighting it hard. There is a spike. There was a spike in florida and it is now gone. There was a very big spike in texas. It is now gone. There was a very big spike in arizona. Its now gone and there are some spikes and surges in other places. They will soon be fon. Gones. We have a vaccine that is coming it will be ready and going to be announced in weeks an it will be delivered. We have operation warp speed, which the military will distribute the vaccine. I can tell you from personal experience that i was in the hospital. I had it and i got better and i will tell you that had something that they gave me a therapeutic i guess they would call it. Some people could say it was a cure but i was in for a short period of time. I got better very fast or i wouldnt be here tonight. Now they say im immune whether four months or lifetime nobody has been able to say that but im immune. More and more people are getting better. We have a problem that is a worldwide problem. This is a worldwide problem. But ive been congratulated by heads of many countries on what weve been able to do with the, if you take a look at with weve done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and Everything Else and in particular ventilators. Were not making ventilators all over the world, thousands and thousands a month distributing them all over the world. It will go away. And as i say were rounding the turn. Were rounding the corner. It is going away. Okay, former Vice President bidebiden to you, how would youd the country out of this crisis . You have two minutes uninterrupted. 220,000 americans dead. Hear nothing i say tonight hear this, anyone who is responsible for not taking control, in fact not saying im, i take no responsibility initially, anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of america. Were in a situation where there are thousand deaths a day now, a thousand deaths a day. There are over 70,000 new cases per day. Compared to what is going on in europe as the new england medical journal said theyre starting from a very low rate. Were starting from a very high rate. The expectation is well have another 200,000 americans dead between now and the end of the year. If you just wore these masks, president own advisors told them, we could save 100,000 lives. And were in a circumstance where the president thus far still has no plan, no comprehensive plan. What i would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask all the time. I would make sure that we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing. I would make sure that we set up National Standards how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the wherewithal, the Financial Resources to be able to do that. Were in a situation now where the new england medical journal, one of the most serious journals in the whole world said for the First Time Ever that this, the way this president has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic and so folks, i will take care of this. I will end this. I will make sure we have a plan. President trump i would like to follow up with you and your comments you talked about taking a therapeutic. I assume youre referencing regeneron. You said a vaccine willing coming within weeks . Yes. Is that a guarranty . Not aegirinety, it will be by the end of the year. There are two companies within a matter of weeks. It will be distributed very quickly. Can you tell us which companies . Johnson johnson is doing very well. Moderna is doing very well. Pfizer is doing very well. We have numerous others we have others were working on very closely with other countries in particular europe. Let me follow up with you, because this is new information. You have said a vaccine is coming soon within weeks now. Your own Officials Say it could take well into 2021 at earliest for enough americans to get vaccinated. And that the country will wear masks and distancing until 2022. Is your timeline realistic . I think my timeline is more realistic. I dont know theyre counting on the military. The generals is lined up. One in particular the head of logistics. This is easy distribution for him. He is ready to go as we have the vaccine. We expect to have the hundred one 100 million vials. As soon as we have the vaccine he ask ready to go. Vice President Biden, what steps would i take to give americans confidence in a vaccine if it were approved . Make sure totally transparent. Have the science world see it, no it, look at it. Go through all the processes. By the same this is the same fellow that told you this would end by easter last time. This is the same fellow, dont worry well end this by the summer. Were about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter. And he has no clear plan. There is no prospect there will be a vaccine available for the majority of the American People before the middle of next year. President trump reaction he says you have no plan . I dont think well have a dark winter at all. We opened up our country and learned and studied understand the disease which we didnt at the beginning. When i closed and banned china coming in heavilily infected ultimately europe. China was in january, months later he was saying i was xenophobic, i did it too soon. Now he is saying i should have moved quicker. But he didnt move quicker. He was months behind me, many months behind me. Frankly he ran the h5n1 swine flu and it was total disaster, far less heat that but it was a it was a total disaster. Had that this kind of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now but it was a far less lethal disease. Look, his own person who ran that for him whos a you know was his chief of staff, it was catastrophic. It was horrible. We didnt know what we were doing. Now he comes up and he tells us how to do this. Also everything that he said about the way every single move that he said we should make, that is what weve done. Weve done all of it but he was behind us. Vice President Trump your response. My response he is xenophobic, not because he shut down china, he was late, after 40 countries done that. After that he made sure 44 people in there in china trying to get to wuhan to determine what exactly the source was. What did the president say in january . He said no, he said this is, he is being transparent. The president of china being transparent. We owe him a debt of gratitude. We have to thank him. And than what happened was we started talking about using defense act to make sure we could go out to get whatever is needed out there to protect people. And again i go back to this. He had nothing, he did virtually nothing. Then he gets out of the hospital and he talks about, this is, dont worry. All going to be over soon. Come on. There is not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it will be over soon. President trump, your reaction . I didnt say over soon. Were learning to live with it. We have no choice. We cant lock ourself up in a basement like joe does. He has ability to lock himself up. He made a lot of money someplace but he has thing about living in a basement. People cant do that. By the way i as president couldnt do that. I would love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the white house and go away for yearandahalf until it disappears. I cant do that. And kirsten, every meeting i had, every meeting i had, i met a lot of families including gold star families and military families, every meeting i had i had to meet them, it would be horrible to have canceled everything i said you know, this is dangerous and you catch it. I caught it. I learned a lot. I learned a lot. Great doctors, great hospitals. And now i recovered. 99. 9 much young people recover. 90 of pool recover. Which have to recover. We cant close up our nation. We have to open up your schools and close our nation or you will not have a nation. The cdc says young people can get sick with covid19 and can pass it. Vice President Biden i want to talk about strategy. Can i respond to that . 30 seconds i have a question. Number one, he says were learning to live with it. People are learning to die with it. You folks home with empty chair at Kitchen Table this morning, that man or wife going to bed tonight, reaching over to try to touch out of habit where their wife or husband was is gone. Learning to live with it, come on. Were dying with it. Because he is has never said, as he said it is dangerous. When is the last time, is it really dangerous still . Are we dangerous . You tell the people it is dangerous now . What should they do about the danger . You say, i take no responsibility. Let me talk about excuse me, i take full responsibility. It is not my fault that it came here. Its chinas fault. It is not joes fault it came here either. It is chinas fault. They kept it from going into the rest of china for the most part but they didnt keep it from coming out to the world including europe and ourselves. Vice President Biden. The fact is when we knew it was coming, when it hit, what happened . What did the president say . He said dont worry. It is going to go away. Be gone by easter. Dont worry, the warm weather. Maybe inject bleach. He said he was kidding when he said that. A lot of people thought he was serious. A whole range of things the president said, even today he thinks we are in control. Were about to lose 200,000 more people. President trump. Look perhaps just to finish this, i was kidding on that but just to finish this, when i closed he said i shouldnt have closed. And that went on for months, what nancy pelosi said the same thing. She was dancing on the streets in chinatown in san francisco. But when i closed he said, this is a terrible thing, youre xenophobic. I think he called me racist even because i was closing it to china. Now he says i should have closed it early. Joe, it doesnt work. I didnt say either of those things. You certainly did. You certainly did. I talked about xenophobia in a different context t wasnt about closing the border to chinese coming to the United States. I want to talk about both your different strategies he thought i shouldnt have closed the border. That is obvious. Do you want to respond to that quickly Vice President , biden. No. Talk about your different strategies dealing with this. Mr. Vice president you would support new shutdowns if scientists recommended it. What do you say to americans, fearful, cost of shutdowns, higher rates of poverty, depression, domestic abuse, depression, outweigh of shutdowns . What i say i will shut down the virus not the country. His ineptitude why country shut down. Why businesses are gone under, schools are closed so many people lost their living. Those other concerns are real. Instead of sand trap in golf course he should been negotiating with nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats and republicans about what to do about the acts passing for billions of dollars to make sure people had the capacity. You havent ruled out more shutdowns . No. Im not shutting down the there are, looks, they need standards. The standard if you have a reproduction rate in a community that is above a certain level, everybody says, slow up. More social distancing. Do not open. Bars and do not open gymnasiums. Do not open until you get it under control. Under more control but when you do open give people the past to be able to open and have the capacity to do it safely. For example, schools, schools they need a lot of money to open. Need to deal with ventilation systems. Need to deal with smaller classes, more teachers, more pods. He refused to support that money or at least up to now. Talk about schools, president i think we have to respond if i might. Plies. I have a follow up. Thank you i appreciate that. Look all he does is talk about shutdowns but forget him. His democrat governors, cuomo in new york, you look at what is going on in california, look at pennsylvania, north carolina, democrats, democrats all they shut down so tight and theyre dying. Theyre dying. And he supports all these people. All he talks about is shutdowns. Were not going to shut down and we have to open our schools. And it is like as an example i have a young son. He also tested positive. By the time i spoke to the doctor the second time he was fine. It werent away. Young people. I guess it is their immune system. Let me follow up with you, President Trump. You demand the schools open in person, insisted they do it safely. Boston became the latest city to move Public School system entirely online after coronavirus spike. What is your messao parents who worry sending parents to school will endanger not only kids but also teachers and families. I want to open the schools. Transmittal rate to the teachers is very small but i want to open the schools. We have to open our country. Were not going to have a country. You cant do this. We cant keep this country closed. This is a massive country with a massive economy. People are losing their jobs. Theyre committing suicide. There is depression, alcohol, drugs at a level that nobodys ever seen before. There is abuse, tremendous abuse. We have to open our country. You know i have said it often the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. That is whats happening. He wants to close down. He will close down the country if one person in our massive bureaucracy says we should close it down. Vice President Biden. Simply not true. We ought to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. We ought to safely open but what they need resources to open. You need to be able to, for example, if youre going to open a business, have social distancing within the business. You need to have, if have restaurant, you need to have plexiglass dividers so people cannot infect one another. You need to be in a position where you take testing rapidly, know whether a person is in fact infected. You need to be able to trace. You need to provide all the resources that are needed to do this. That is not inconsistent with saying that what were going to make sure we open safely. And by the way all you teachers out there, not that many of you are going to die, dont worry about it. So dont worry about it. Come on. President trump, let me follow up with you quickly by the way you say this look what happened to new york, its a ghost town. It is a ghost town. When you talk about plexiglass, these are restaurants that are dying. These are businesses with no money. Putting plexiglass is unbelievably expensive and it is not the answer. I mean youre going sit there in a cubicle wrapped around with plastic . These are businesses that are dying, joe. You cant do that to people. You just cant. Take a look at new york and whats happened to my wonderful city for some years i loved it. It was vibrant. Its dying. Everyone is leaving new york. Take a look what new york has done in terms of turning curve down, number of people dying. I dont look at this in terms of way he does, blue states and red states. Theyre all United States. Look at states that are having such a spike in coronavirus. Theyre the red states. Theyre the states in the mid west, the states in the upper midwest. That is where the spike is occurring significantly. Theyre all americans. Theyre all americans what we have to do, say, wear these masks number one. Make sure get help businesses need, money already been passed to do that. It has been out there since the beginning of the summer, and nothings happen. New york has lost more than 40,000 people, 11,000 people in nursing homes. When you say spike, take a look what is happening in pennsylvania where they have had it closed. Take a look what is happening with your friend in michigan, where her husband is only one allowed to do anything. It has been like a prison. Now it was just ruled unconstitutional. Take a look at north carolina. Theyre having spikes an they have been closed. And theyre getting killed financially. We cant let that happen joe. You cant let that happen. We have to open up. And we understand the disease. We have to protect our seniors. We have to protect our elderly. We have to protect especially our seniors with heart problems and diabetes problems and we will protect them. We have the best testing in the world by far. That is why we have so many cases. Let me follow up with you before we move on to the next section, President Trump. This week you called dr. Anthony fauci best known Infectious Disease a disaster. You said other experts are quote idiots. If youre not listening to them who are you im listening to all of them but i get along with anthony. He did say, dont wear masks. He did say as you know this is not going to be a problem. I think he is a democrat but that is okay. He said this is not going to be a problem. Were not going to have a problem at all. When joe says that i said Anthony Fauci said, and others and many others im not knocking them. Nobody knew. Look nobody knew what this thing was. Nobody knew where it was coming from, what it was. Weve learned a lot but anthony said dont wear masks. Now he wants to wear masks. Anthony said, if you look back exact words, here is this exact words, this is no problem. It will go away soon. He allowed to make mistakes. He happens to be a good person. Vice President Biden your response quickly and then we move on to the next section. Think about what the president new about in january and didnt tell the American People. He was told serious virus spread in the air, it was much morse than, much morse than the flu. He went on record said to one of your colleagues, recorded, in fact he knew how dangerous it was but he doesnt want to tell us. He didnt want to tell us because he didnt want us to panic. Americans dont panic. He panicked. But guess what, in meantime we find out the New York Times the other day that in fact his folks went to wall street said this is really dangerous thing. A memo out of that meeting not from his administration from some brokers sell short because we got to get moving. Its a dangerous problem. This is when i have 30 seconds to respond. Somebody went to wall street. Youre the one that takes all the money from wall street. I dont take it. You have raised a lot of money, tremendous amounts of money every time you raise money deals are made. I could raise so much more money as president and as somebody that knows most of those people i could call the heads of wall street, the heads of every company in america. I would blow away every record but i dont want to do that because it puts me in a bad position. Then you bring up wall street. You shouldnt be bringing up wall street youre the one that takes money from wall street. Not me. I could blow away your records that like you wouldnt believe. We dont need money. We have plenty of money. In fact we bit Hillary Clinton with a tiny fraction of the money she was able. Gentleman. Dont tell me average contribution 43. Well move on to the next section which is National Security. I do want to start with the security of our elections and breaking news from overnight. Just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both russia and iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained u. S. Voter registration these Officials Say. Iran sent intimidating messages to florida voters. This question goes to you, mr. Vice president , what would you do to put an end to this threat . You have two minutes uninterrupted. I made it clear, i asked everyone else to take the pledge, i say any country no matter who it is interferes with american elections, they will pay a place. They will pay a place. It has been clear in this election, i wont get into last one, in this election, russia is involved, china involved to some degree. Now we learned iran is involved. They will pay a price if im elected. Theyre interfering with american sovereignty. That is what is going on right now. Theyre interfering with american sovereignty. To the best of my knowledge i dont think the president said anything to putin about it. I dont think he is talking to him a lot. I dont think he said a word. I dont know why he hadnt said a word to putin about it. I dont know what he recently said if anything to my guess he would be more outspoken to the iranians. The point is this, folks, were in a situation where we have Foreign Countries trying to interfear in the outcome of our election. His own National Security advisor told him what is happening with his buddy, i i will, his buddy rudy giuliani. He is being used as a russian pawn. He is being fed information that is russian, that is not true and then what happens . Nothing happens. And then you find out that everything is going on here about russia is wanting to make sure i do not get elected next president of the United States because they know i know them. And they know me. I dont understand why this president is unwilling to take on putin when he is actually paying bounties to kill american soldiers in afghanistan. When he is engaged in activities that are trying to destablize all of nato. I dont know why he doesnt do it but it is worth asking the question, why isnt that being done. Any country interferes with us will in fact pay a price because theyre affecting our sovereignty. President trump, same question to you. Let me ask the question, you will have two minutes to respond for two elections in a row now there is substantial interference from foreign adversaries. What would you do in your next term to put an end to this. Two minutes. Let me respond to the first part as joannessed, joe got 3 1 2 Million Dollars from russia and it came through putin he was very friendly with the former mayor of moscow. It was mayor of moscows wife and you got 3 1 2 Million Dollars, your family got 3 1 2 Million Dollars. You know some day you will have to explain why did you get 3 1 2. I never got any money from russia. I dont get money from russia. About your thing last night i knew all about that and through john, who was, John Ratcliffe who is fantastic, dni, the one thing that is common to both of them, they both want you to lose. Because there has been nobody tougher to russia, between the sanctions, nobody tougher than me on russia. Between the sanctions, between all of what i have done with nato. I have got the nato countries to put up an extra 130 billion going to 420 billion a year. That is to guard against russia. I sold, while he was selling pillows and sheets, i told tank busters to ukraine. There has been nobody tougher on russia than donald trump. And ill tell you they were so bad, they took over the submarine port. You remember that very well . During your term, during you have and barack obama, they took over a big part of what should have been ukraine. You handed it to them but you were getting a lot of money from russia. They were paying you a lot of money and they probably still are. But now, with what came out today, it is even worse. All of the emails, the emails, the horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family, and joe, you were Vice President when some of this was happening and it should have never happened. I think you owe a explanation to the American People. Why is it Somebody Just had a News Conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family but what he said was damning. And regardless of me i think you have to clean it up and talk to the American People. Maybe you can do it right now. Vice President Biden, you may respond. Want to follow up on the election security. I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. We learned that this president paid 50 times the tax in china as a secret bank account with china. Does business in china and in fact, is talking about me taking money . I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever, ever. Number one. Number two, this is a president , i have released all of my tax returns, 22 years. Go look at them. 22 years of my tax returns. You have not released a single solitary year of your tax return. What are you hiding . Why are you unwilling . The Foreign Countries are paying you a lot. Russia is paying you a lot. China is paying you a lot. Your hotels and all your businesses all around the country, all around the world. China is building a new road to a new golf course you have overseas. So what is going on here . Release your tax returns and stop talking about corruption. President trump, your response. First of all called my under audit. I will release i can as soon as i do it. It will show how successful great this company is. Much more important saying 750. I asked them a week ago, i said, what did i pay . They said sir you prepaid tens of millions of dollars. He prepaid my tax, over the last number of years, tens of millions of dollars. He prepaid. Because at some point they think it is an estimate. They think i may have to pay tax. So i already prepaid it. Nobody told me that. Your accountant when you tell me you release them. It wasnt written, keep talking about 750 which i think is filing fee, let me tell you i prepaid millions and millions of dollars in taxes. Number un, number two, i dont make money from china. You do. I dont make money from ukraine. You do. I dont make money from russia. You made 3 1 2 Million Dollars, joe. And you your son gave you, they even have a statement that we have to give 10 to the big man. Youre the big man i think. I dont know. Maybe youre not. But youre the big man i think. You son said which have to give 10 to the big mann. What is that all about . It is terrible. I want to ask you questions. I have to respond. I will let you respond. You spoke to accountant about potentially release taxes. Did i tell you when you can release them. Deadline worse than the Tea Party Got treated. Because i have a lot of people in there, deep down in the irs, they treat me horribly. We made a deal it was all settled until i decided to run for president. I get treated very badly by the irs very unfairly. We had a deal all done. As soon as were completed with the deal i want to release it. But i have paid millions and millions of dollars. It is worse than paying. I paid in advance. It is called prepaying your taxes. Okay. I want to ask you both about questions regarding your potential foreign entanglements, questions raised talk about this more broadly. Respond very quickly. I well got to my question. Why he has ban saying this for four years. Show us. Just show us. Stop playing around. Youve been saying for for years release your taxes. Nobody knows, mr. President. What they do know is youre not paying your taxes or your paying taxes that are so low, when last time he said what he paid, he said i only pay that little because im smart. I know how to game the system. Come on. Come on, folks. President trump. I want to get to two questions to both of you. I was put through a phony witchhunt for three years. It started before i even got elected. They spied on my campaign. No president should ever have to go through what i went through. Let me say this. Mueller and 18 angry democrats and fbi agents all over the place spent 48 million. They went through everything i had including my tax returns and they found absolutely no collusion, nothing wrong. 48 million. I guarranty you if i spent one million on you joe, i could find plenty wrong because the kind of things that you have done and kind ever monies that your family has taken i mean your brother made money iraq, millions of dollars. Your other brother made a fortune. And it is ault through you, joe. They say you get some of it and you do live very well. You have houses all over the place. You live very well. Gentlemen, let me ask questions about all this broad i l Vice President biden there is questions about the work your son has done in china and Ukrainian Energy company when you were Vice President. In retrospect anything about those relationships inappropriate and unethical. Ing into was unethical. Here is the deal. With regarding to ukraine, we had this whole question whether or not because he was on the board i later learned of burisma, a company that zoom how i had done something wrong. Every single solitary person when he was going through his impeachment testifying under oath who worked for him said i did my job impeccably. I carried out u. S. Policy. Not one single solitary thing was out of line. Not a single thing. Number one. Number two, the guy who got in trouble in ukraine was this guy trying to bribe the Ukrainian Government to Say Something negative about me which they would not do and did not do because it never ever, ever happened. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, china. I have not had only guy that made money from china is this guy. Only one. Nobody else has made money from china. Let me deal my question to you one thing . Very quickly. His son didnt have a job for a long time. Was sadly no longer in the military service. I wont get into that. And he didnt have a job. As soon as he became Vice President , burisma, not the, not the best reputation in the world, i hear they paid him 183,000 a month. Listen to this. 183. They gave him a 3 milliondollar up front payment. He had no energy experience. That is 100 dishonest. My question to you. No basis for that. Everybody investigated that. No one said anything he did was wrong in ukraine. President trump, this is for you, since you took office you never divested from your business. You personally promoted your properties abroad. A report this week was referenced indicates your company has a bank account in china. How can voters know you dont have any foreign conflicts of interest . I have many bank accounts, theyre all listed theyre all over the place. I was a businessman doing business. The bank account youre referring to which is Everybody Knows about it, it is listed. The bank account was in 2013. That is when it was. It was opened in it was closed in 2015. I believe. And then i decided because i was going to do, i was think about doing a deal in china like millions of other people, i was thinking about it and i decided im not going to do it. Didnt like it. I decided not to do it. Had an account opened and i closed it. Okay. Excuse me. And then unlike him where he is Vice President and he does business, i then decided to run for president after that. That was before. So i closed it before i even ran for president let alone became president. Big difference. He is the Vice President of the United States and his son, his brother, and his other brother are getting rich. Theyre like a vacuum cleaner. Theyre sucking up money everywhere he goes. Not true. I do want to ask you, Vice President biden about china. Lets talk about china more broadly. There have of course, President Trump has said they should pay for not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus. If you were president , would you make china pay . Please be specific, what would that look like . I would make china play by International Rules not like he has done. He has caused a deficit with china to go up, not down with china. Up, not down. We are making sure that in order to do business in china you have to give all your intellectual property, you have to have a partner in china, 51 . We would not do that at all. Number one. Number two, were in a situation where china would have to play by the rules internationally as well. When i met with xi and when i was still Vice President he said were setting up identification zones in the south china sea. You cant fly through them. I said well fly through them. We flew bone bombers through it. We will not pay attention. We have to play by the rules. What does he do . He embraces guy like thugs in north korea and and chinese president and putin and others and he pokes his finger in the eye of all of our friend and all of our allies. We make up, were 25 25 of the worlds economy. We need to be having the rest of our friends with us saying to china, these are the rules, you play by them you will pay the price for not playing by them economically. That is the way i will run it. That is what we did unholding steel tariffs and other things when we were president and Vice President. Lets talk no i have to respond to that. Very quickly. Well move on to north korea. Billion 1 2 dollars. Not true. Spending ten minutes in office and being in air force two. Number one, there is a very strong email talking about your family wanting to make 10 million a year for introductions. President trump on china policy though. What are you going to do, what specifically are you going to do to make china pay. You said they will pay . China is paying. Theyre paying billions and billions of dollars new sanctions. New sanctions. I gave 28 billion to our farmers. Taxpayer money. It is what . Taxpayers money. Didnt come from china. You know the called china. China not true. China paid 28 billion. You know what they did to pay it, they devalued their currency. They paid up. You know who got money, our farmers, great farmers. They were targeted. You never charged them anything. I charged them 25 on dumped steel because they were killing our steel industry. We were not going to have a steel industry. Now we have a steel industry. Vice President Biden, your response please. My response look, this, there is a reason why he is bringing up all this malarkey, there is reason for it. He doesnt want to talk about the substantive issues. Not about his family and my family. It is about your family. And your family is hurting badly. If youre making less than, if youre a middle class family, youre getting hurt badly right now. Youre sitting at the Kitchen Table this morning deciding well we cant get new tires, theyre bald because we have to wait another month or so. Are we paying mortgage. Who will tell her she cant go back to community college. They are the decisions youre making in middleclass families like i grew up in scranton and claymont. Theyre in trouble. We should be talking about your families. That is the last thing he wants to talk about. That is typical statement, excuse me. I do want 10 seconds, mr. President. Typical political statement. Get off the china thing, looks the family around the table. Just a typical politician when i see. Im not a typical politician. That is why i got elected. That lets get oaf the subject of china and talk around, sitting around the table. Come on joe, you can do better. Well talk about north korea, President Trump you met with north Korean Leader kim jongun three times. You talked about your beautiful letters from him. You touted fact there hasnt been a war or longrange missile test. North korea rolled out biggest ever Intercontinental Ballistic Missile an continues to develop the nuclear arsenal. Do you think that is betrayal of relationship . Just think seconds because we when i met with barack obama sat in the white house, right at beginning. Had a great conversation. It was supposed to be 15 minutes. It was well over an hour, he said the biggest problem we have is north korea. He indicated we will be in a war with north korea. Guess what . It would be a nuclear war. He does have plenty of nuclear capability. Meantime i have pretty Good Relationship with him. Different kind of a guy. Probably thinks the same thing about me. We have a different kind of a relationship. We have a very Good Relationship. There is no war. About two months ago he broke into a certain area, they said oh, there is going to be trouble. I said no theyre is not. He is not going to do that. I was right. Instead of being in a war millions of people, seoul is 25 miles away, millions and millions, 32 Million People in seoul, millions of people would be dead right now. We dont have a war and i have a Good Relationship. Vice President Biden to you. North korea conducted for Nuclear Tests under the Obama Administration. Why do you think you would be able to rein in this persistent threat . I make it clear, made it clear to china they had to be part of the deal. I made it clear as spokesperson of the administration when i went to china, i said why are you moving your Missile Defense up so close . Why are you moving more forces here . Why do you continue to do military manuevers with south korea . I said because north korea is a problem. And were going to continue to go do it to we can control them. Well make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us. If you want to do something about it, step up and help. If not it is going to continue. What has he done . He legitimatized north korea. He talked about his good buddy who is a thug, a thug. He talks about how were better off. They have much more capable missiles able to reach u. S. Territory, much more easily than ever did before. Let me follow up with you, Vice President biden you said you wouldnt meet with kim jongun without preconditions. Are there any conditions under which you would meet with him . On the condition he would agree drawing down his Nuclear Capacity to get, Korean Peninsula should be a nuclearfree zone. Lets move on kristen, they tried to meet with him. He wouldnt do it. He didnt like obama. He didnt like him. He wouldnt do it. They tried. Respond to that before we move on. That is okay . You know what . North korea. Were not in a war. We have a Good Relationship. You know people having a Good Relationship with leaders of other countries is a good thing. We have a lot of questions to get to. We had a Good Relationship with hitler before he in fact invaded europe. Rest of europe. Come on. Reason he would not meet with president obama because president obama said were going to talk about denuclearization. We will not legitimize you. We will continue to push stronger and stronger sanctions on you. That is why he wouldnt meet with us. All right. And it didnt happen. Excuse me. He left me a mess, kristen. They left me a mess. North korea was a mess. And in fact if you remember the first two or three months there was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we sort of worked things out a little bit. There was very. Okay. They left us a mess. And obama would be i think, the first to say it was the single biggest problem he thought that our country had. Lets move on to American Families and the economy. One of the issues that is most important to them is health care as you both know. Today there was a key vote on a new Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney barrett and health care is at the center of her confirmation fight. Over 20 million americans get their Health Insurance through the Affordable Care act. It is headed to the Supreme Court and your administration, mr. President , is advocating for the court to overturn it. If the Supreme Court does overturn that law, those 20 million americans could lose Health Insurance almost overnight. What would you do if those people have their Health Insurance taken away . You have two minutes uninterrupted. First of all i have done something nobody thought was possible, through the legislature i terminated the individual mandate. That is the worst part of obamacare as woe call it, the individual mandate you pay a fortune for privilege ever not having to pay for bad Health Insurance. I terminated its gone. Now it is in court because obamacare is no good. But then i made a decision, run it as well as you con to my people, people great people, run it as well as you can. I could have gone the other rout made people happy. Premiums are down. Here is the problem, no matter how you run it is no good. We like to terminate. We have the individual mandate done. I dont know that it is going to work. If we dont win, we will have to run it and well have obamacare but it will be better run but no longer is obamacare because without the individual mandate it is much different. Preexisting conditions will always stay i would like to do much Better Health care, much better. Well always protect people with preexist, i would like to terminate obamacare, come up with a brand new Beautiful Health care. The democrats will do it because there will be tremendous pressure on them. We might even have the house by that time. I think were going to bin the house. Youll see i think were going to win the house. Come up with a the before health care. Always protecting people with preexisting conditions and one thing very important. We have 180 Million People outthere that have great private health care far more than were talking about obamacare. Joe biden is going to terminate all of those policies. These are people that love their health care. People that have been successful, middle income people, been successful. They have 180 million plans, 180 Million People, families under what he wants to do, which will basically be social aided medicine, he wont even have a choice, they want to terminate 180 million plans. We have done a incredible job on health care. Were going to do even better. Vice President Biden your Health Care Plans calls for building on obamacare. My question what is your plan if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court . You have two minutes uninterrupted. What im going to do is pass obamacare with a public option, become biden care. The public option is option says if you in fact do not have the where with all, if you qualify for medicaid and you do not have the where with all in your state to get medicaid, youre automatically enrolled. Providing competition for insurance companies. That is what is going to happen. Secondly well reduce premiums and reduce drug prices making sure there is competition, that doesnt exist by allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices were with the insurance companies. Thirdly, the idea that i want to eliminate private insurance, the reason i had such a fight for with 20 candidates for the nomination was i support private insurance. Thats why i didnt, not one Single Person on private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under obamacare. They did not lose their insurance unless they chose, they have wanted to go to something else. Lastly, were going to make sure were in a situation that we actually protect preexisting conditions. There is no way he can protect preexisting conditions, none, zero. You cant do it in the ether. He has been talk about this for a long time. There is no, he never come up with a plan. I guess well get preexisting condition plan, same time infrastructure plan weve waited 17, 18, 19, 20. I have a few more minutes. I know youre getting anxious. The fact he already cost the American People because of terrible handling of the coronavirus and economic stillover. 10 Million People lost therapist insurance. And he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under obamacare and over 110 Million People with preexisting conditions. All the people with covid will have preexisting conditions whatwill you do. I have follow up. He accused you that you support socialized medicine. What do you say people are concerned that the Government Insurance option takes the country one Step Health Care system run entirely about the government . I say that is ridiculous. The idea that the fact that there is a public option people can choose, that makes it a socialist plan . The difference between the president , i think health care is not a privilege. It is a right. Everyone should have the right to have Affordable Health care. Im proud of my plan. It has gotten endorsed by all major labor unions as well as a whole range of other people who are in fact concerned in the medical field. This is something that will save peoples lives. This will give some people an opportunity, opportunity to have health care for their children. How many are worried rolling around in bed wondering gods name if you get sick because you lost your Health Insurance, your company has gone under . We have to provide Health Insurance for people at an affordable rate. That is what i would do. Excuse me. He was there for 47 years. He didnt do it. He was now there as Vice President foryears. It is not like it was 25 years ago. It was three and 3 and 3 4 just a little while ago. Levels than four years ago he didnt do anything. He didnt do it. He wants socialized. Not that he wants it, his Vice President , i mean she is more liberal than Bernie Sanders and wants it even more. Bernie sanders wants it. Democrats want it. You will have socialized medicine just like with fracking. Were note going to have fracking. Well stop fracking. He goes to pennsylvania where he got the nomination where he got very lucky to get it. He goes to pennsylvania, oh, were going to have fracking. You never asked that question. And by the way, so far i respect very much the way youre handling this the other way, by the way you should ask the question. He goes for a year there will be no fracking. We do have number, we have a number of topics. But that is a big question. Same thing with socialized medicine. I have to respond. Vice president you are usual response please. My response people deserve to have Affordable Health care, period, period. The biden cair proposal will provide for Affordable Health care. What well do is cost money. It will cost over 750 billion over 10 years to do it. They will have lower premiums. You can buy into better plans, cheaper plans, lower your premiums. Deal with unexpected billing and have your drug prices drop significantly. He keeps talk about it. He hasnt done a thing for anybody on health care. Not a thing. Kristen when he says, when he says he is talking about socialized medicine and when he, and health care. When he talks about a public option, he is talking about destroying your medicare, totally and destroying your Social Security. This whole country will come down. You know Bernie Sanders tried it. In his state. He tried it in his state. His governor was a very liberal governor. They wanted to make it work. It was impossible to work. It doesnt work. Very confused guy. He thinks he is running against somebody ills. He is running against joe biden. I beat all those other people because i disagreed with them. Joe biden he is running against. And the idea that were in a situation that are going to destroy medicare, this is the guy that the actuary of medicare said if in fact, Social Security, if in fact he continues to withhold, his plan to withhold tax on Social Security, Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023 with no way to make up for it. This is the guy who has tried to cut medicare. I mean the idea that donald trump is lecturing me on Social Security and medicare, come on. He tried to get, he tried to get rid of Social Security years ago. Years ago. Go back and look at the records. He tried to hurt social secured years ago. But this is the guy that when they announced mr. President i have to move on to the next question. Said the stock market will boom if im elected. If he is elected the stock market will crash. All analysts are saying that. Very quickly. Look, the idea that the stock market is booming is his only measure of what is happening. Where i come from in scranton an clay month, people dont live off the stock market. Just in the last three, three years, during this crisis, the billionaires in this country made according to the wall street 700 billion more dollars, 700 billion more dollars because that is his only measure. What happens to the ordinary people out there. What happens to them. 401 k s, kristen, 401 k s are through the roof. Stocks are through the roof. He doesnt come from scranton. He lived this for a short period of time before even knew and he left. The people of pennsylvania will show you that. My next question. They understand. As of tonight more than 12 Million People are out of work, as of tonight eight million more americans have fallen into poverty and more families are going hungry every day. Those hit hardest are women and people of color. They see washington fighting over a relief bill. Mr. President , why havent you been able to get help them you need . Because nancy pelosi wants to approve it. Youre the president. I do. An fortunately that is one of the reasons i think well take over the house because of her. Nancy pelosi doesnt want to approve anything because she would love to have some victories on date called november 3rd. Nancy pelosi does not want to approve it. We are ready, willing and able to do something. Dont forget we ady three plans andt has gone through, including the democrats in all fairness. This one she didnt want near the election because she thinks it helps her politically. I think it hurts her politically. The republican leader in the United States senate he cant pass it. He will not be able to pass it. He does to the have republican votes. Why isnt he talking to republican friends. We made a deal the republicans will pass. You are the leader of democratic party. Why have you not pushed democrats to get a deal for American People . I have. They passed this act in the beginning of summer. This is not new. It haas been out there. This heroes act has been sitting there. Look what is happening. When i was in charge of the recovery act with 800 billion, i was able to get 145 billion for local communities that had to balance their budgets and states that have to balance their budgets, so at the didnt have to firefights, teachers, firstresponders, Law Enforcement officers, so they can keep the cities and counties running. He will not support that. They have not done a thing for them. Mitch mcconnell said, let them go bankrupt. Let them go bankrupt. Come on. What is the matter with you the bill passed in the house was a bailout of badlyrun high crime democrat all run by democrat cities and states. It was a way of getting a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars to these cities. It was way of guesting a lot of money from our peoples pockets to people that come into our country illegally. We were going to take care of everything for them. And what that does, i would love to that, i would love to help them, what that does, everybody all over the world will start pouring into our country. We cant do it. This is way of taking care of them. This was spending on things that had nothing to do with covid as per your question. It was really a big bailout for badlyrun democrat cities and states. All right i want if i get elected, im running as a proud democrat. I will be an american president. I dont see red states and blue states. What i see is american, United States. And folks, every single state out there, finds themself in trouble. Theyre going to start laying off, whether theyre red or blue, cops, firefighters, firstresponders because, teachers because they have to balance their budget and founders were smart. They allowed the federal government to deficit spend to compensate for the United States of america. I want to talk about the minimum wage, gentlemen. Mr. Vice president , we are talking a lot about struggling Small Businesses. Yes. Business owners these days. Do you think this is the right time to asking them to raise the minimum wage . You support a 15dollar federal minimum wage . I do. One of the things well have to do is bail them out too. We should be bailing them out now. Those Small Businesses. You got one in six of them going under. Theyre not going to be able to make it back. They passed the, a package, allow us to ppp, money supposed to go to help and do everything from organized how they can deal with their businesses being open safely. Schools, how they can make classrooms smaller. How they can hire more teachers. How they can put ventilation systems in. They need the the businesses as well as as the schools need the help, but these guys will not help them. Its not giving them any of the money. We are going to move on to immigration we have to help our Small Businesses by raising the minimum wage . Thats not helping. I think it should be a state option. Alabama is different than new york. New york is different from vermont. Every state is different. It should be a state option. You said very we have to help, its very important, we have to help our Small Businesses. How are you helping your Small Businesses when youre forcing wages . Whats going to happen and whats been proven to happen is when you do this, these Small Businesses fire many of their not true, by the way. Consider raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour. You said recently you would consider i would consider it to an extent in a Second Administration . In a Second Administration. But9 not to a level thats going to put all these businesses out of business. It should be a state option. Look, i over in different places. Theyre all different. Some places 15 is not sod bad. In other places, other states, 15 okay, President Trump, thank you. Quick response, Vice President biden. Two jobs, one job below poverty. People are making 6, 7, 8 an hour. These First Responders, we all clap for them as they come down the street because theyve allowed us to make it. Whats happening . They deserve a minimum wage of 15. Anything below that puts you below the poverty level. And there is no evidence that when you raise the minimum wage, businesses go out of business. That is simply not true. Were going to talk about immigration. Were going to talk about immigration now, gentlemen. And were going to talk about families within this context. Mr. President , your administration separated children from their parents at the border, at least 4,000 kids. Youve since reversed to a zeroing tolerance policy, but the United States cant locate the parents of more than 500 children. So how will these families will be reunited . Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and theyre brought here, and they used to use them to get into our country. We now have as strong a border as weve ever had. Were over 400 miles of brand new wall. You see the numbers. And we let people in, but they have to come in legally but how will you reunite these children with their families . They built cages. They used to say i built the cages, and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper, and it was a picture of these horrible cages. And they said look at these cages. President trump built them. And then it was determined they were built in 2014. That was him. Do you have a plan to reunite the kids . Yes, were working on it very were trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come through cartels and coyotes and gangs. Vice President Biden, let me bring you into this conversation. Quick response and then another question to you. These 500 plus kids came with parents. They separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. They real tough, were really strong. And guess what . They cannot its not coyotes didnt bring them over, their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents. And it mix us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation. Let me ask you a kristin, they did it, we changed the policy. Your response to that . They did it. We did not who built the cages, joe . Lets talk about who built the cages, joe . Lets talk about what were talking about. What happened . Parents their kids were ripped from their arms and separated. And now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents, and those kids are alone. Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Its criminal. Its criminal. Let me ask you i will say this, we brought reporters, everything, they are so well taken care of. Theyre in facilities that were so clean but some of them havent been reunited just ask one question, who built the cages . Id love you to ask him that. Let me ask you about your immigration policy, mr. Vice president. The Obama Administration did fail to deliver Immigration Reform which had been a key promise during the administration. It also presided over record deportations as well as family limitations at the border. Why should voters trust you now . Made a mistake. It took too long to get it right. Took too long to get it right. Ill be president of the United States, not Vice President of the United States. And the fact is ive made it very clear within a hundred days im going to send to the United States congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people. And all of those socalled dreamers, those daca kids, theyre going to be immediately certified again to be able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship. The idea that they are being sent home by this guy and they want to do that is theyre going to a country theyve never seen before. I can imagine youre 5 years old, your parents are taking you across the rio grande river, and its illegal. And you say, oh, no, mom, leave me here. Im not going to go with you. Theyve been here, many of them are model citizens. Over 20,000 of them are First Responders out there taking care of people during this crisis. We owe them. We owe them. President trump eighty years to do eight years to do what he said he was going to do. We did. And ive changed, without having a specific we got rid of catch and release, we got rid of a lot of horrible things they put in and that they lived with. But he had eight years he was Vice President. He did nothing except build cages to keep children in. Vice President Biden, your response. The catch and release, you know what hes talking about there . If, in fact, you had a family came across, they were arrested, they, in fact, were given a date to show up for their hearing. They were released. And guess what . They showed up for a hearing. This is the first president in the history of the United States of america if anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country. Thats never happened before in america. Thats never happened before in america. You come to the United States and you make your case. That i seek asylum based on the following premise, why i deserve it under american law. Theyre sitting in squalor on the other side of the river. President trump. Your response, 30 seconds, and then well move on. It just shows that he has no understanding of immigration or the laws. Catch and release is a disaster. A murder would murderer would come in, a rapist would come in, a very bad person would come in. We would take their name. We have to release them into our country, and then you say they come back. Less than 1 of the people come back. We have to send i. C. E. Out and Border Patrol out to find them. We would say come back in two years, three years, were going to give you a court case. You need perry mason. Were going to give you a court case. When you say they come back, they dont come back, joe. They never come back. Only the really, i hate to say this, but those with the lowest iq, they might come back okay, President Trump, lets give Vice President biden a chance to respond, and then were going to move on to the next section. Vice President Biden, your response. Know the law. What hes saying is simply not true. Check it out, they dont come back. Its not true. We dont have to worry about it, because i terminated it. You have 525 kids not knowing with theyre going to be. Go ahead. All right. Of lets talk about our next section, which is race in america. I want to talk about the way black and brown americans experience race in this country. Part of that experience is something called the talk. It happens regardless of class and income. Parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted including by the police for no reason other than the color of their skin. Mr. Vice president , in the next two minutes i want you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand e why these parents fear for their children . I do. I do. You know, my daughter is a social worker, and shes written a lot about this. Shes, its her graduate degree from university of pennsylvania in social work. And, you know, one of the reasons why i ended up working on the east side of wilmington, delaware, which is 90 of africanamerican was to learn more about what was going on. What unit i never had to tell my daughter if shes pulled over, make sure she puts for a traffic stop, put both hands on top of the wheel and dont reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you. But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child when youre walking down the street dont have a hoodie on when you go across the street. Making sure that you, in fact, if you get pulled over, yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the wheel because you are, in fact, a victim whether youre a person making 300,000 a year person or someone whos on food stamps. The fact of the matter is there is institutional racism in america. And we have always said weve never lived up to it, that we hold these truths to be selfevident. All men and women are created equal. Guess what . We have never, ever lived up to it. Weve always constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion, not exclusion. This is the first president to come along and says thats the endened of that. Were not going to do that anymore. We have to provide for economic opportunity, better education, Better Health care, better access to schooling, better access to opportunities to borrow money to start businesses. All the things we can do and ive laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things. Finish just to give people a shot. Its about accumulating the ability to have wealth as well as it is to be free from violation. President trump, same question to you. And let me remind you of the question. I would like you to speak directly to these families, do you understand why these parents fear for their children . Yes, i do. And, again, hes been in government 47 years, he never did a thing except in 1994 when he did such harm to the black community. And they were called, and he called them, superpredators. And he said that, he said it, super predators. And they have never lived that down. 1994. Your crime bill. The super e predators. Nobody has done more for the black community than donald trump. And if you look, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, possible exception, but the exception of Abraham Lincoln, nobody has done what ive done. Criminal Justice Reform, obama and joe didnt do it. I dont even think they tried because they had no chance at doing it. They might have wanted to do it, but if you had to see the arms i had to twist to get that done, it was not a pretty picture, and Everybody Knows it including some very liberal people that cried in my office. They cried in the oval office. Two weeks later theyre out saying, gee, we have to defeat him. Criminal Justice Reform. Prison reform. Opportunity zones with tim scott, a great senator from south carolina. He came in with this incredible idea for opportunity zones. Its one of the most successful programs. People dont talk about it. Tremendous investment is being made. Biggest beneficiary, the black and hispanic communities. And then historically black colleges and universities. After three years of coming to the office, i love some of those guys, they were great. They came into the office and they said i said what are you doing . And for three years, why do you keep coming back . Because we have no funding. I said you dont have to come back every year. We have to come back. Because president obama would never give them longterm funding, and i did. 10year longterm funding, and i gave them more money then they asked for because i said i think you need more. The only bad part about this is i may never see you again because i got very friendly with them. They like me and i like them, but i [inaudible] colleges ask universities. Okay. Were going to talk about both of your records, but your response to that. My response to that is i never, ever said what he accused me of saying. The fact of the matter is in 2000, though, after the crime bill had been in the law for a while, this is the guy who said the problem with the crime bill, theres not enough people in jail. Theres not enough people in jail. And go on my web site, get the quote, the date, when he said it, not enough people. He talked about marauding gangs, young gangs, the people who were going to maraud our cities. This is a guy who in the sumter park five, five innocent black kids, he continued to push for making sure that they got the death penalty. None of them were guilty of what the crime, of the crimes that were suggested. Look, and talk about he granted, he did, in fact, let 20 people, he commuted 20 peoples sentences. We commuted over 1,000 peoples sentences. Over 1,000. The very law hes talking about is a law that, in fact, initiated by barack obama. And secondly, were in a situation here where we, the federal prison system was reduced by 38,000 people under oured a managers. And one of these things we should be doing, this should be no, no minimum mandatories in the law. Thats why im offering 20 the billion to states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatories and set up drug courts. No one should be going to jail because they have a drug problem. They should be going to rehabilitation, not to jail. We should fundamentally change the system, and thats what im going to do. Why didnt he do it four years ago . Why didnt you do that four years ago, even less than that . I am not up Vice President. You keep talking about all these things youre going to do and youre going to do this, but you were there just a short time ago, and you guys dud nothing. We did. Joe, i ran because of you. I ran because of barack obama, because you did a poor job. If i thought you did a good job, i would have never run. I would have never run [laughter] i ran because of you. Im looking at you now, youre a politician. I ran because of you. All right. Vice President Biden, your response to that, and then i do have some questions for both of you. I tell you what, i hope he does look at me because whats happening here is you know who i am, you know who he is. You know his character, you know my character. You know to our reputations for honor and telling the truth. I am anxious to have this race. I am anxious to see this take place. I am the character of the country is on the ballot. Our character is on the ballot. Look at us closely. [inaudible] your response. True about russia, ukraine, china, other countries, iraq, if this is true, then hes a corrupt politician. All right. So dont give me the stuff about youre this innocent baby. Joe, theyre calling you a corrupt politician President Trump, i want to stay on the issue of race. I do want to stay on the issue of race. I have to respond to that. Please, very quickly. Look, there are 50 former National Intelligence folks who said that what hes accusing me of is a russian plant. They have said that this is, has all the four five former heads of the cia, both parties, say what hes saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except his and his good friend rudy giuliani. You mean the laptop is now another russia, russia, russia hoax . Thats exactly what, thats exactly what doctor this is where hes going. The laptop is russia i want to stay on the eshoo of race. You have to be kidding. Here we go again with russia. Were going to continue on the issue of race. Mr. President , you described the black lives Matter Movement as a symbol of hate. Youve shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters. Youve said that black professional athletes exercising their First Amendment rights should be fired. What do you say to americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife . Well, you have to understand, the first thing i ever heard of black lives matter, they were chanting pigs in a blanket, talking about police. Pigs, pigs, talking about hur police. Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon. I said thats a horrible thing. And they were marching down the street. And that was my first glimpse of black lives matter. I thought it was a terrible thing. As far as my relationships with all people, i think i have great relationships with all people. I am the least racist person in this room. What do you say to americans who are concerned by that rhetoric . I dont know. I mean, i dont know what to sayment i got criminal Justice Reform done and Prison Reform and opportunity zones, i took care of black colleges and universities. I dont know what to saw. They can say anything. I mean, they can say anything. Its a very it makes me sad. Because i am, i am the least racist person. I cant even see the audience because its so dark, but i dont care whos in the audience. Im the least racist person in this room. Okay. Vice President Biden, let me ask you very quickly, and then i have a followup question. Abraham lincoln was money one of the most racist president s we had in history. He poured fuel on every single racist fire, every single one. Started down the escalator saying hes going to get rid of those mexican rapists. He banned muslims because theyre muslims. He has moved around and made everything worse across the board. He says about the poor boys last time we were on stage here, he said id tell em to stand down and stand ready. Come on. This guy is a dog whistle about as big as a fog horn. President trump, im going to give you ten he made a reference to Abraham Lincoln you said youre Abraham Lincoln where did that no, no. I said not since Abraham Lincolns has anybody done what ive done for the black and im saying i didnt say im Abraham Lincoln. Not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what ive done for the black community. Now, you have done nothing other than the crime bull which put oh, god. Tens of thousands of black men, mostly, in jail. All right. Let me, let me if you look at whats happening with the voting right now, they remember that you treated them very, very badly. Just take a look at whats happening out there. Vice President Biden, let me give you a chance to respond within this context. Crime bills that you supported in the 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their the possession. They are sons, brothers, fathers, uncles whose families are still to this day, some of them, suffering the consequences. Speak to those families. Why should they vote for you . In the 80s we passed 100 a bill on drugs and how to deal with drugs. It was a mistake. Ive been trying to change it since then, particularly the portion on cocaine. Thats why ive been arguing that, in fact, we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense. They should be going into treatment. Across the board. Thats what we should be spending money on. Thats why i set up drug courts which were never funded by our remoney friends. They should not republican friends. They should not be going to jail for a drug or an alcohol problem, they should be going into treatment. Treatment. Thats what weve been i trying to do, thats what im going to get done. Because the American People have now seen that, in fact, it was a mistake to pass those laws related to drugs. But they were not in the crime bill. But why didnt he get it done . See, its all talk, no action with these politicians. Why didnt he get it done . Thats what im going to do when i become president. You were Vice President along with obama as your president , your leader, for eight years. Why didnt you get it done . You had eight years to get it done. Now youre saying youre going to get it done because youre all talk and not no we got a lot of it done. You got nothing done. 38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison. We have there were over 1,000 people given clemency. In fact, were the ones that put in the legislation saying we could look at pattern and practice of Police Departments and what they were doing, how they were conducting themselves. I could go on, but we began the process. We began the process. We lost an election. Thats why im running, to win back that election and change this terrible policy. I just asked, i just asked one question. Why didnt you do it in the eight years, a short time ago . Why didnt you do it . You just said im going to do that, im going to do this. You put tens of thousands of mostly black young men in prison. Now youre saying youre going to get, youre going to undo that. Why didnt you get it done . You had eight years with obama. You know why, joe . Because youre all talk and no action. Vice President Biden, then were going to move on to the next section. And a republican congress. Thats the answer. Okay. Well, youve got to talk em into it, joe. Youve got to talk em into it. Like i did with criminal Justice Reform. I had to talk democrats into it. Gentlemen were running out of time, so weve got to get on to Climate Change, please. You both have very different visions on Climate Change. President trump, you say that environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector. Vice President Biden, you have said you see addressing Climate Change as an opportunity to create new jobs. For each of you, how would you both combat Climate Change and support job growth at the same Time Starting with you, President Trump. You have two minutes uninterrupted. So we have the trees program, we have so many different programs. I do love the environment, but what i want is the cleanest Crystal Clear water, the cleanest air. We have the best, lowest number in Carbon Emissions which is a big standard that i notice obama goes with all the time. Not joe, i havent heard joe use the term because im not sure he knows what it represents to or moan means, but i have herald obama use it. And we have the best carbon emission numbers that weve had in 35er years under this administration. We are working so well with industry, but heres what we cant do. Look at china, how filthy it is. Look at russia. Look at india. Its filthy. The air is filthy. The paris accord, i took us out because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars, and we were treated very unfairly. When they put us in this there, they did us a great disservice. They were going to take away our businesses. I not sacrifice tens of millions i will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs, thousands and thousands of companies because of the paris accord. It was so unfair. China doesnt kick in until 2030. Russia goes back to a low standard. And we kicked in right away. It would have been, it would have been it would have crowd our businesses. So you ready . We have done an incredible job environmentally. We have the cleanest air, the cleanest water and the best carbon emission standards that weve seen in many, many years. Vice President Biden . We havent destroyed our industries. Vice President Biden, two minutes to you uninterrupted. Climate change, climate warming, Global Warming is an existential threat to humanity. We have a moral obligation to deal with it. Is and were told by all the leading scientists in the world we dont have much time. Were going to pass the point of no return within the next 810 years. Four more years of this man eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us the clean up the climate, to clean up, to limit the emissions will put us in a position where were going to be in real trouble. Heres where we have a great opportunity. I was able to get both all the environmental organizations as well as labor, the people worried about jobs, to support my climate plan because what it does, it will create millions of new, goodpaying jobs. Were going to invest in, for example, 500,000 50,000, excuse me, 50,000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future. In the meantime, china is doing that. Were going to be in a position where were going to see to it that were going to take 4 million existing buildings and 2 million existing homes and retroprofit them so they dont like as much energy, saving hundreds of millions of barrels of owl in the process. Of oil in the process. And creating significant number of jobs. And by the way, the whole idea of what this is all going to do, its going to create millions of jobs. And its going to clean the environment. Our health and our jobs are at stake. Thats whats happening. And right now, by the way, wall street firms indicated that my plan, my plan will, in fact, create 18. 6 million jobs, 7 million more than his. This is from wall street. And ill create 1 trillion more in Economic Growth than his proposal does. Not on climate, just on the economy. President trump they came out and said very strongly 6,500 will be taken away from families under his plan. That his plan is an economic disaster. If you look at what he wants to do, you know, the if you look at his [inaudible] you know who developed it . Aoc plus three. They know nothing about the climate. I mean, shes got a good line of stuff, but she knows nothing about the climate. And theyre all hopping through hoop for aoc plus three. Look, a real plan costs 100 trillion. If we had the best year in the history of our country for a hundred years, we would not even come close to a number like that. What he says when he says buildings, they want to take buildings down because they want to make bigger one does into smaller windows. As far as theyre concerned, if you had no window, it would be a lovely thick. Thisthis is the craziest plan, d this wasnt done by smart people. This wasnt done by anybody, frankly, i dont even know how it could be good politically. All right. They want to spend 100 trillion. Hes trying to say it was 6. Its 100 trillion. They want to knock down buildings and build New Buildings with little, tiny, small windows. I mean, and many other things okay. And many oh things. Let me ask the Vice President to respond, were running out of time, and we have a lot more questions. So lets hear from the Vice President , i have a number of more questions. I dont know where he comes from. I dont know where he comes up with these numbers. 100 trillion. Give me a break. This plan was, this plans endorsed by every major, every major Environmental Group and every labor group, labor, because they know the future lies, the future lies in us being able to breathe, and they know there are good jobs in getting us there. And by the way, the Fastest Growing industry in america are, is the electric excuse me, solar energy and wind. He thinks wind causes cancer, windmills. Its the Fastest Growing jobs, and they pay good prevailing wages, 45, 50 an hour. We can grow and we can be cleaner if we go the route im proposing. President trump excuse me. Respond and then im we are energy independent9 for the first time. We dont need all of these countries that we had to fight war over because we needed their energy. We are energy independent. I know more about one than you do. [laughter] its extremely expensive, kills all the birds, its very intermittent, got a lot of problems, and they happen to make the windmills in both germany and china. And the fumes coming up, if youre a believer in carbon emission, the fumes coming up to make these massive windmills is more than anything that were talking about with natural gas that is very clear. One other thing [inaudible] solar r i love solar, but solar doesnt quite have it yet. Its not powerful yet. To really run our big, beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world. False. So its all a pipe dream. But you know what well do . Were going to have the greatest economy in the world. But if you want to kill the economy, get rid of your oil industry. You want and what about fracking . All right, let me, let me allow the Vice President to respond i have never said i opposed fracking. You said it on tape. I did show the tape, put it on your web site. Ill put it on. Put it on the web site. The fact of the matter is that hes flat lying. Would you rule out banning fracking . I do rule out banning fracking, because the answer, we need, we need other industries to transition to get to, ultimately, a complete zero emissions by 2025. What i will do with fracking over time is make sure that we can capture the emissions from the fracking. Capture the i emissions from gas. We can do that, and we can do that by investing money and doing it its a transition to that. I have one more question in this part, and then excuse me. He was against fracking, he said it. I will show that to you tomorrow. I am against fracking. Until he got the nomination, went to pennsylvania, then he said, but you know what, pennsylvania . Hell be against it very soon because his party is totally against it. Fracking on federal land, i said. No fracking oil on let me ask this final question in this section, and then i want to move on to our final section. President trump, people of color are much more likely to live near Oil Refineries and chemical plants. In texas there are families who worry the plants near them are making them sick. Your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities. Why should these families give you another four years in office . The families that were talking about are employed heavily, and they are making a lot of money, more money than theyve ever made. If you look at the kind of numbers weve produced for hispanic or black or asian, its