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Think about the race and what is going to decide the election as we will show you the hits and misses from last night, the whoppers and more. And now this, we are digging even deeper into the biden controversy, the selling of access and influence scandal. Weve got the chronology of vents. But of events. The details are serious and concerning as critics say they present a clearcut case for term limits in washington. Also watch how the Biden Campaign and the media parse and hairsplit the words here. Its almost as bad as bill clinton saying it depends on what the meaning of the word wos is. Experts have said it is devil usually easy devilishly easy to hide money flows. Undercutting the claim that the Biden Tax Returns are clean and, through thus, there are no issues. Plus, more on tony bobulinski, what the navy veteran had to say to the fbi about how deeply involved joe biden was in all of this. And did the media fall for the Biden Campaigns bullying them into silence . Into a media blackout way back in january with a warning to reporters, dont dig into this, dont dig into what we were doing in ukraine, dont talk about this. Also this hot new debate in washington, did the bidens yearslong business dealings have any effect on Foreign Policy . More about what was said about the border and whats really going on there. Thanks for joining us, im elizabeth macdonald. The evening edit starts right now. Elizabeth welcome to the show. Youre watching the fox business network. Look whos back with us, trump 2020 Advisory Board member harmeet dhillon. Its always great to have you on. So who won the debates . There was no knockouts, there was relative civility. What did you think of it . No, i disagree, liz. I actually new e that joe biden knocked himself it out pretty hardt the end of the debate. D lard at the end of the debate. Hard at the end of the debate. The president has a reputation for being refuge listic, and he was very restrained, very measured, took his hits at the former Vice President in a very surgical way, if i think he scored a lot of points. Joe biden, you know, held his owner for most of the debate, but he began to deteriorate towards the end. I definitely feel like the president outperformed, and we learned a few new things about joe biden that he wished america hadnt learned like he is lying about his position on fracking, and he was forced to saw at the end that he does intend to phase out the use of oil which is really bad in those battleground states. Thats not a popular position. Elizabeth yeah, like pennsylvania and texas. You know, election analyst frank lens took the temperature of undecided voters who said biden was, quote, very vague, elusive, grandfather lu and defensive. Theyre saying trump was unusually controlled, composed, restrained, reserved. One said he looked surprisingly president ial. So, you know, hes saying basically voters dont like trumps behavior, but they like his policies, and he came off pretty well haas night. Well, i would agree with that. I think another remark i saw from that focus group was that people wished they had the president s policies with the former Vice President s demeanor. But the president s demeanor yesterday was great and, look, hes not popular with the elites, the polished elites on the coast, but hes very popular with Blue Collar Workers and average people, is and hes purpose turning out a lot of voters who dont normally vote. Thats what we found in 2016, and i think those numbers are going to increase in 2020. Elizabeth yeah. Biden, you know, the issue is whats going to decide the election, covid19 or jobs or both. I mean, biden gave a really dark image of america saying, you know, expect a dark winter. You cant liver with covid19, winter, you cant live with covid19. What is it . I dont think it is one thing for one person. If you a retired person in your 80s and youre watching this and, you know, youre not worried about jobs, youre worried about covid. But, you know, the apocalyptic demeanor of the former Vice President on this issue, thats actually not the experience that most of us have with this disease. Its a terrible disease, but it is actually very well controlled in our country. Our countrys very honest and forthcoming about the cases. The cases are there but, actually, the fatality rate is extremely low, thank god. And we are at the worlds cutting edge on therapeutics thanks to our president s decisive nature. I mean, imagine if joe biden were in charge with coming up with a vaccine. Hed be getting bids from the chinese, and who knows what corruption would be part of that mix. Now, on the jobs front the president has a great record to talk about. He expanded jobs for numerous demographics that democrats have left behind over the years, and everything was going in the right direction very strongly and historically up until this covid situation and even amidst the covid situation we are turning things around, and its only going to get better when its behind us. So from those points of view, i think that, you know, the president did a very good job. Elizabeth yeah, biden going back and forth on a National Mask standard, he went back and forth on, you know, he said that the president s, you know, shutting down travel from china was a bad thing, and hen the supported that are do and then he supported that in april. He goes back and forth on, you know, vaccines, on shutdowns, hes saying he would shut down the economy again, then he says hes not going to. Thats why the undecideds were saying he was evasive last night. Lets turn to fracking, because you brought it up earlier. It is about jobs for pennsylvania and texas and the oil patch, and he basically joe biden, critics are saying he really made a big whopper last night. Theres a little sense of defeat among Trump Supporters and no premature talk among biden supporters that he would win because of the mistake he made last night. Listen to this. And what about fracking . All right, let me [inaudible] i have never said i oppose fracking. You said it on tape. I did show the tape. Would there be any place for fossil fuels including coal and fracking in a Biden Administration . No. We would work it out. We would make sure its eliminated and no more subsidies for either one of those. I guarantee you, i guarantee you were going to end fossil fuels. No new frack. Id gradually move away from fracking. Theres no question im in favor of banning fracking. Its critically important on day one that we end any fossil file leases on public lands. Elizabeth so you see whats going on. During the Campaign Early on, the biden team, joe biden and Kamala Harris, they want the green money. They want the environmentalists money. But when the rubber hits the road and they need the votes and people are talking about job, thats when they back off. Is that whats going on here . Heres what happens in real life, elizabeth. People have their positions and their firmlyheld views, and certainly Kamala Harris has those views. But when they focus tested and realized what really matters in those battleground states, they suddenly realized theyre off on the wrong foot, but its by then too late to retreat. I think joe biden either dishonestly thought the American People were not going to look up his position, or maybe he forgot it. Thats also a legitimate position to take. He has some signs of not being able to remember his positions. Thats sort of the anger, the contradicting yourself, thats also part of some sort of cognitive disconnect over there. But, you know, you mentioned the question about maps. I mean, look, basic law for lawyers is the president does not have police power in the states. Only the states governors and local officials have the power to order things like quarantines, masks and so forth. So he is talking about interstate commerce because he heard somewhere some lawyer told him he could regulate elizabeth thats a good point. Its not interstate commerce there, joe, we dont have to wear a mask in our cars. Thats silly. Mete elizabeth yeah, thats an important point. And setting that aside just for the broader picture, how do people feel about the economy, you know . Joe biden falsely claimed obamacare never resulted in americans losing their Health Insurance plans when millions did under obamacare. But look at the gallup poll. 56 of americans in the gallup poll say they do feel better now than they did four years ago. Thats the reagan question back when reagan ran for the presidency. And 49 said the same to the New York Times. So thats really the issue. We know 4 off the 10 out of 10 feel the country isnt going in the right direction, but thats a big number, 66 . Its huge, and the president started out his years before all of this drama that dragged him into impeachment with a very deicive middle class tax cut that helped the vast majority of americans take home more pay. That also set off an economic boom, expansion of jobs particularly in those minority communities and for women. So that was a very durable expansion of our economy up until the last several months. And like i said, even then its begun to rebound. What the democrats are proposing is massive new taxes, the green new deal, the elimination of tens of thousands of jobs if not hundreds of thousands in the energy sector, and not to mention even selling out our country to these other countries. Joe biden talked about criticizing the president on health care. Well, his positive and he were in office for eight years his boss. Why didnt they implement competitive pricing for prescription drugs . You know, i as an employer can tell you that our Health Care Costs are triple what they were, and we get less for our money, and our doctors have left the business. Thats happened to me personally. So people who have some experience in life are not just listening to tv and talking points. They know what hes saying does not add up, and its our job as republicans to drive those facts home and make our closing arguments. I can promise you the president is working overtime to do it while joe biden is cowering in a bunker. The president was at the villages in florida, there are going to be many more stops to make these points and bring it home. Elizabeth all right, harmeet dhillon, great to see you. Come back soon. Coming up, house judiciary e ranking republican jim jordan on this big thing that were finding in the bidens deal making, off Balance Sheet llcs and Shell Companies which make it really easy to cover up who was paying what to whom. This is an important story. Is this where investigators are starting to look next in the bidens burgeoning paytoplay scandal . The story next. I dont make from china, you do. I dont make money from ukraine, you do. I dont make money from russia. You made 3. 5 million, joe, and your son gave you they even have a statement that we have to give 10 to the big man. I wanted more from my copd medicine, thats why ive got the power of 1,2,3 medicines with trelegy. The only fdaapproved, oncedaily 3 in 1 copd treatment. Trelegy the power of 1 2 3 trelegy 1 2 3 trelegy with trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3, im breathing better. Trelegy works 3 ways to open airways, keep them open, and reduce inflammation for 24 hours of better breathing. 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He finds that offensive. When you saw that, what was your thought . No, i thought he just wanted to be clear, because he said he saw senator johnsons report, hes seen what people are saying, hes seen what journalists are doing and big tech is censoring all this. He wanted to get the information outs there so the American People know as were just 11 days before an election. So im glad he came forward, and hes telling the truth. Mainly, a couple key things, the emails are accurate. The reference in the email to the bug guy, that, in fact, is d big guy, that, in fact, is joe biden. And i think questions journalists should ask, joe, is it hunters laptop, are you, in fact, the big guy referenced in the email, and if not this is the key question if not, why wont you say so . But journalists seem to not want to do their job other than those of you at fox who are digging into this story. Elizabeth yeah. It kind of underscores, you know, the fact that theyre not saying that these things are fake or phony, it underscores more and more whats going on with the emails and the laptop. Sure. Elizabeth bobulinski gave three of his phones to the fbi, hes going to talk to Senate Homeland security and senate finance. You know, kim bear ily strassel Kimberly Strassel points out that hunter was working on a deal with china in 2016, and bobulinski saws he personally was on the email and text chains knowing about all of these business deals. By the way, the bidens dealings, they used about a dozen Shell Companies and llcs, one was used for this Energy Company deal. That makes it more difficult to track the money flows and whos paying money to whom. So when you hear the arguments from the biden camp, the tax returns are clean for the biden, it doesnt take into account the use of this, right . Right, and exactly. And, remember, in the debate last night Vice President biden said that he never took money from any foreign national, any foreign source. But i think the key question is did someone in your family take money from a foreign source and then funnel it to you. That is the key question. And, in fact, it looks like thats what the fbis looking into, this Money Laundering and the use of these llcs. Mr. Grenell was speaking to that earlier. Think of all the different llcs they is the up, all these different ones they set up, was that how they were lawnerring the money, moving laundering the money, moving the money from the foreign country to hunter, then to joe biden . So those are the key questions. Elizabeth yeah. And, yes, it seems like no journalist wants to ask those questions other than the folks at fox and the new york post. Elizabeth well, you know, because at one point hunter biden did send money over to his brother, james biden, as, quote, consulting fees. Millions of dollars went that way. So thats a way the frame the question. Lets listen to lieutenant tony bobulinski. Hes going to to explain why he came toward prickly forward publicly and why he decided to pull back the curtain it is, he said, on what the bidens were doing including pursuing deals with individuals in communist china. I have heard joe biden say that hes never discussed business with hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because i directly dealt with the biden family including joe biden. Finish on may 13th, 2017, i received an email concerning allocation of equity which says 10 held by h for the big guy. In that email, theres no question that h stands for hunter, big guy for his father, joe biden. I was advised by gil january walker that hunter and joe biden were paranoid about keeping joe bidens involvement secret. Elizabeth keeping joe bidens involvement secret. Your final word, congressman. Yeah. You have an eyewitness stating plainly joe biden knew about this, was in on it, joe biden has misled the American People when he said he didnt. We need to dig into this and, frankly, the last with question, wheres chris wray been . Hes had this laptop for almost a year. We dont need just senator johnson to dig into this, the fbi needs to provide answers to the American People in the next 11 days so americans can make an informed choice about who the next president of the United States is going to be on november 3rd. Elizabeth congressman, come back soon. Next up, former Florida Attorney general pam bondi is going to join us. Weve got the chronology of events, how it all went down. Stay with us, back in two. She wanted a roommate to help with the cooking. But she wanted someone who loves cats. So, we got griswalda. Dinners almost ready. But one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with our renters insurance. Yeah, switching and saving was really easy drink it all up. 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At Fisher Investments were clearly different. Elizabeth okay, welcome back. Youre watching the fox business network. Were coming into the bottom of the hour. Lets welcome back to the show he former Florida Attorney general pam bondi. I think youre with the president in the villages. President trump by the way, its great to see you again. Youre having fun down there, huh . I am. The crowds were incredible. [laughter] for the president. And this wasnt even a rally. This was supposed to be a little stop to say hi to everyone at the village, and thousands of people it was massive, and the president hit it out of the park as usual. Elizabeth interesting. [laughter] i like your backdrop there. Thats pretty cool. [inaudible] elizabeth last nights debate oh, very fun. Lucky you. Listen, heres what happened in last nights debate. President trump gave joe biden ample opportunity to deny the facts of the hunter biden email scandal showing that joe biden was aware of hunter biden selling access, but joe biden basically didnt clean it up. Did you see that . Oh, he did not. And the president gave him plenty of chances, so did kristin welker, by the way, gave joe biden plenty of chances to answer the question, and he didnt. You know his denial, its not even a denial. You know whats so funny . Oh, did you take money from china, did you take money from none, well, it wasnt on my tax returns. Okay. So if youre laundering money, if youre committing wire fraud, if youre the sitting Vice President , youre committing crimes, do you think youd put it on your tax return . Of course not. So, yeah, he did not answer the question. Only say it wasnt on his tax return. Well, you wouldnt expect criminal activity to be on your tack return. Elizabeth yeah. It was interesting that he wasnt prepared for the question. Joe biden claimed, you know, he just looked like he wasnt prepared for i. 3w50euden claims he learned about ma after the fact burisma after the fact. He claims, quote, every single solitary person who was going through with the president s impeachment testifying under oath that he did his job impeccably. George kent said, no, we have problems with conflicts of interest there. But i want to show the viewer now is the chronology of events with the china and deal and the bidens. Lets start showing the chronology of events, because youre going to see how it all went down. They Start Talking about having a deal with one of the most prominent u. S. Families. They Start Talking about how hunter biden was working on this in 2016 when joe biden was Vice President. Chinese military intelligence understands the value added of having the biden Family Business involved with us. James bidens cutting a deal, shows the chinese this is truly a Family Business. But then later on, pam, youre going to see hunter starting to get really angry. Hes starting to say i want three u. S. Offices, i want a big travel budget, i expect more than 850,000. The chinese are my partners with biden my chairman, meaning the father, on and on. Im putting my familys brand, our only asset on the line here, our legacy on the line. So you can see how this kind of unfolded, and then the deal fell apart. Your take on all of this, pam. Well, liz, dont forget, lived this with the president during impeachment hearings. Eric hershman and i handled the part about hunter biden. So we dealt with that during impeachment hearings. By the way, the only people that said there was nothing there was adam schiff, nancy pelosi and jerry nadler, so im not too worried about that. We always knew there was something there. Burisma, by all accounts, is a bad, bad company. We know what hunter did there, and we know, we knew during the impeachment that joe biden got the prosecutor investigating Hunter Bidens company fired. Now lets go to china, what you just showed. First, hunter biden says i only flew on air force two as, basically, a tourist, which he can do. His dad was Vice President. He flew with them, we know thats not true because he met with a communist chinese banker, signed a huge deal with him, and now we know even more thanks to the lieutenant who came forward and gave a press conference yesterday who was in the room, in the room when hunter biden, joe biden and Jim Biden Joe bidens brother, Hunter Bidens uncle all were there talking about this Family Business and that joe biden was a part of it. This lieutenant was in the world, i lieutenant bobulinski was in the room. Elizabeth yeah. And he turned over yesterday, liz, three this is how credible this guy is three cell phones, three, to the fbi. So just without. The bidens are coming down. Theyre in trouble. We have always known it, they are not good people. And if this guy did this as Vice President , imagine what he would do as president. Elizabeth you know, when you look at the bidens tax returns and financial disclosures, it looks like they had up to 1. 6 million in debt, at minimum, 780,000 in debt when joe biden left office. Then within two years, they are making nearly 15 million, about 16 million. They say its from book deals and speeches. We understand that. That money, though, went through an offBalance Sheet llc and then into the bidens tax returns. We dont know whats in that llc because those are notoriously difficult to get the disclosures on. Then the wall street journals running out stories that joe biden likes big houses, hes seduced by big houses. So, you know, you can see the setting for all of this, right . And then they hook up with this guy who runs this chinese Energy Company run by a belt and road billionaire who has since vanished because he was running an ngo that was doing, accused of Money Laundering in places like africa. Thats right. Elizabeth so this feels sketchmy dicey all around, pam. And, liz, its momorerehanre sky. Et eerocutol, he fbi has sd can c c c yl c you bly tavye hunte hunte h t . Denappt . At . . Henvtigaestinggaesga moymoneauing. Neaundauing. Aug. Beth aetight r eaeah, we weoing go i ar yar. Y y gohead,he fin fininin wd. Here the greoihe g toio g tt co, ame,hen w all ase t tm out and andndple onhe ceivingivnd o ef the t eai em, at whatha ver vm, theytheee s sg w sgeived thesehe ,biden, ideenenoo one, as you yaid,ai h d dd t d thoseos eai exist axistndxi that theyrthruth ahatt was h. P. Th b are a in big trouble. Elizabeth pam bondi, thanks for joining us. Its good to see you. You too, liz. Thanks. Elizabeth okay, sure. Still ahead, the hill media reporter joe concha takes on this story, did the media fall for the Biden Campaign bullying them into silence way back in january when the Biden Campaign warned reporters dont dig into the bidens dealings in ukraine, threatening them saying youre going to be committing journalistic malpractice . That story next. This is only going top a relevant story to be a relevant story if the media applies the same level of scrutiny to joe biden that they did look, the ukraine call got donald trump impeached, and you mean to tell me these mails cant even get the New York Timeses interest . Im kalvin, and theres more to me than hiv. Im a peer educator,. A fitness buff,. And a champion for my own health. I talked with my doctor. And switched to. Fewer medicines with. Dovato. Prescription dovato is for some adults who are starting hiv1 treatment or replacing their current hiv1 regimen. With. Just 2 medicines. 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Joe biden and the Biden Campaign, remember, they threatened and bullied reporters back in january saying journalists, you will be committing malpractice if you dont say the bidens ukraine claims were debunked. Remember that . Is the media falling for this bullying . Looks like they did. Elizabeth, is it rhetorical friday and no one let me know . Yes, of course. [laughter] i mean, think about this now. Its scary, right . Because weve heard a lot about collusion over the last four years as it pertains to trump initials colluding officials colluding with the russian government or officials before the 2016 election to steal that election, right . But collusion really when you look at it now and its chilling, here you have one Major Political party and a campaign basically saying, okay, this isnt a story, dont cover it. Then you have traditional media, washington post, New York Times, cnn echoing exactly what the campaign says. But then the third head in this monster is social media taking any story, any journalism around this in terms of hunter biden and suppressing the story to make sure that nobody sees it. This is the tube of stuff that you see type of stuff that you see in the soviet union the old one, anyway. In communist countries. Thats the thing now, right . You suppress the story, as we learned last week, and twitter puts you in a timeout where you get locked out of your account until you delete the story. This is unbelievable. And the fact that they could get away with it is because no journalists are really speaking up about it in any large numbers, and these social Media Companies are getting away with it as a result . Elizabeth you would think they would be speaking up, was they like to do because they like to do rhetorical silence talking. Blackout. The Biden Campaign, again and again, theyre still not saying the story is phony. But lets take a look at joe biden, again, bullying, personally attacking a cbs reporter in order to shut him down, shut down husband questions about whats going on. Watch this. [inaudible] i know youd ask it. I have no response. Another smear campaign. Right up your alley. Those are the questions you always ask. Elizabeth okay. So, you know, thats it was clear, you know, joe biden, husband bullying of reporters on the campaign trail, does that show that the story then is, you know, fake and false and we shouldnt be asking any questions, because the more he yells, the more honest he is and the more truthful he is and the more hes not prepared to answer the question from the moderator last night at the debate . Whats going on here with joe biden . I have a 7yearold at home, and the loud arer she gets and more defensive she gets when candy is found underneath or her bed e this happens often, unfortunately yeah, its kind of a sign of guilt, right . And in this case, that was bo erickson from cbs, and its a very legitimate question. And we su saw it with nancy pelosi two days ago when she said im not answering that question. Im not even going to or entertain this, im going to shut this down because that is the playbook. And listen to what npr had to say about this, elizabeth. Quote we dont want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we dont want to waste our listeners and readers time on stories that are clear distractions. This was a politically driven event, and we decided to treat it that way. Heres the problem, even the New York Times today came out and said, quote no concrete evidence has emerged that the hunter biden laptop contains russian information. Okay, do we have the green light now to actually pursue this story with the same sort of passion for the last three years of russia collusion that was based on a dossier that, if youre teaching a journalism class, thats 101 as far as unverified document, but the media went with it anyway, and now theyre lecturing other news outlets why i think shouldnt cover the story because theyre responsible and youre not, and its just laughable. Its the best unintentional comedy i can think of, elizabeth. Elizabeth i like the story about the candy. Its halloween, so watch out for that with your daughter, joe concha. Its good to have you 100 true. Ill put the lid on my workweek, im done until monday. [laughter] elizabeth okay. Its good to see you. Up next, former Trump Deputy National security adviser kt mcfarland on the questions and the debate now being raised in washington. Did the bidens yearslong business dealings overseas, did that in any wayfect Foreign Policy . 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And, you know, i always wondered why, when all the evidence started mounting against china and the fact that the chinese were ripping us off, that the jobs from america were going to china, that china was exploiting its position in the world trade organization, why did joe biden never stand up . Why did he never do it . Why dud he never do what donald trump did and say im going the look them in the eye and cut a better deal for the American People . Well, while he was negotiating across the table with the chinese officials, his son was taking money under the table. I mean, liz, i can rare arely get really upset, but this one really has taken me to the point of, you know, i get it. Politicians are corrupt. We all understand that. So with the biden family, okay, maybe. Are the media complicit in it by ignoring it and trying to cover it up . Thats really bad too. But how are these people have they no shame . Have they no shame . Theyre taking the interests of the United States, the jobs of the American People, the country that they purport to love, and they are turning it into a toy and a play thing to be sold to others. If joe biden was innocent, if there wassing nothing there, why didnt he come out and say the laptops a fake, these emails are nothing, theres nothing to it. What did he do ined instead, liz . Well, it wasnt on my tack returns. Lets see Hunter Bidens tax returns. Its description, and these people corruption, i dont know how they live with themselves. Elizabeth yeah, lets look at the financial disclosuressing the reports for the llcs and Shell Companies involved in all the deal making. I mean, you know, the question is, is this a case for term limits in d. C. Because joe bidens been around for nearly five decades. And, you know, new hes saying things like congrats to president xi, could he help me, he joked about that in 2013. Hes saying what are we worried about china . Theyre going to eat our lunch, really . Come on, theyre just competitors. We shouldnt worry about them. Constantly downplaying chinas role in all of this policy making, you know . And at the same time, were seeing millions of dollars in these deals coming out of these, you know, whats going on with james biden, hunter biden and more. And joe biden too. I mean, so, you know, the fbis looking into this. Were going to get to the bottom of this, but hes consistently downplayed china since 1997. Yeah. And whos our main strategic competitor . Who wants to replace us on the world stage . Who has held us hostage with the coronavirus . You know, china has a lot of explaining to do, but if we have our seniormost officials in on the take, you know, same on us can be shame on us. Shame on the American People for letting them get away with this, because this is i dont know how much more we can do to say this was corruption at the highest levels, and it was for the lowest purpose, fame, money, importance, position. And they were willing to sell american interests for that. Shame on em all. Elizabeth all right. Kt mcfarland, its good to have you back on, and i hope you have a good weekend. Thank you so much for your insights there. Come back soon. Thanks, liz. Elizabeth next up, retired i. C. E. Acting director tom homan, hes fired up on whats really happening at the border as accusations flew at last nights debate. Stay right there. I will say this, they went down and we brought reporters, everything, they are so well taken care of. Theyre in fundamentals that were so clean but some of them havent just ask one question. Who built the cages . Id love you to ask him that. I cant believe it. What . That our new house is haunted by casper the friendly ghost . 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Elizabeth when you saw the debate last night, President Trump pointing out to joe biden and the viewing audience that it was former president barack obama who launched the fencedin areas that have since been called cages to hold borderer crossers in detention facilities including unaccompanied migrant children, do you think that the viewers and the vote voters got the message . Well, ive been saying it for a long time, those cages, if they want to call them cages, they were built in fy15. They were approved, planned, constructed, funded and utilized under the obama administration. This administration, the Trump Administration only used the same facilities that have ever been used one year prior. Elizabeth so heres the thing, biden criticized his former boss, president obama, who was called the deporter in chief saying, you know, they made a mistake in taking too long to tackle immigration issues. Thats a thundering understatement. The criticism has been the party has done nothing about whats going on with border security, right . And then theres this fight too that biden said the Trump Administration lost track of more than 500 separated migrant families and their children. Can you talk about that . The aclu says the government has not accounted for 362 children and 183 cases theyve identified the child but not located the parents. Whats going on hear . Well, look, their telling you half the truth. I was there. Look, when the parents tonight when the majority of parents were deported without the child, the parent was asked, you know, was documented in the i. C. E. File, now, their children were at another location. They were asked, you know, do you want to be deported out . Do you want to pull your child out . Use immigration procedures so they can go with you. Numerous parents chose to leave that child here. Numerous parents told our officer their whole intent was to bring the child into the country to go live with either the other spouse or a relative to get an education. And the parents go back to central america. That was the plan from the beginning. And the same thing theyre talking about these 24, 2500 separations that happened at the gunning of zero tolerance, no ones talking about the 14,000 children that came to this country by themselves because their parents sured a criminal organization, a criminal organization to smuggle them to the to the United States. 14,000. Thats inhumane, to put the child in the hands of a criminal cartel to have them put in the back of a tractortrailer or trunk of a car. No one wants to talk about that. No one wants to talk about the numerous parents we prosecuted that rented chair child not car their child to the cartels for numerous adult males to claim theyre a family unit and then release the child, send them back to be rerented. Theres a lot more to story than aclus telling you. Elizabeth yeah. Wow, really serious humanitarian issues. So grateful you gave us all that detail. You were talking about how you said that president barack obama called you in to the white house and said youve got to, basically, detain these children and deport them. What happened there . Twice i was called to the white house. I wasnt the president , it was his staff with who oversea the immigration and border security. Twice they wanted me to do a National Operation to go arrest children, again, these children that come across on their own, the 14,000 im talking about. Onces they get a hearing from the judge, the judge says, no, you have no right to stay here, however, that childs now with a parent or guardian. So what i was asked to do was do an operation, send our agents to these them them homes, arrest te children. My question, wait a minutes or what if the parent [inaudible] they wanted me to arrest a child and deport him to a different country away from their parents. Now, that is far worse than anything the Trump Administration ever thought about downing. I was asked twice to do it, i refused to do it. Elizabeth elizabeth well, it sounds i outrageous, tom. Im so sorry you went through that. You have served your country, and we appreciate the service, tom homan. We want you back on to hear more of your insights and perspective. Were grateful for your time you spent with us today. Thank you, tom homan, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Elizabeth im elizabeth macdonald, youve been watching the evening edit on fox business. We hope you join us again on monday night, and we hope you have a good weekend. Thanks so much for watching. Many. Its a pleasure working with you. Jackie a pleasure as always. David lou dobbs starts right now. Lou good evening, President Trump has achieved another historic accomplishment in the middle east, just 11 days before the president ial election, President Trump in the oval office today announced the normalization of relations between israel and the muslim north african nation of sudan, todays Peace Agreement adds to those already brokered by the president between israel and bahrain as well as between israel and the united arab emirates. President trump has also brokered peace deals between the taliban and