Transcripts For FBC Fox Business Democracy 2020 Presidential Debate 20240712

Facing the Vice President candidates at the university of utah in salt lake city. Real quickly joined by charles payne, lou dobbs. Lou, what do you think the president has to do tonight . Lou first and foremost, be himself. And to use his original mind, as im sure he will, and his sense of humor. Those are two advantages he has that he exploited in 2016 to his great and winning effect. I expect him to do precisely the same thing tonight. Neil you know, charles payne, debates were going up over these in the years dating back to 1976 with jimmy carter and gerald ford, you have to present yourself especially joe biden, youre as well known. Not quite as well known, obviously, as the president of the United States, but you have to reintroduce yourself. Both men, essentially, reintroducing themself. Likability come up as some intangible, george bush had that against al gore, ronald reagan, certainly, in that one and only debate with jimmy carter. Your thoughts on that intangible quality. Charles you know, thats ooh thats a great point, neil. Bidens been around for a long time, in d. C. For 47 years, but he is reinventing himself. And a lot of what hes going to do and say tonight will go against the older joe biden, and we have to believe that this is the new biden that will be the president of the United States if he wins, and these are the new policies and the new things that he believes in. So hes been lurching to the left trying to also convince the middle and other voters that hes not lurching too far. Hes really got to, you know, hes got to hes on the stage with President Trump, but hes also walking a very tight rope with respect to his own party and the far left which has all the energy and all the momentum. And then the broader voting electorate that does not want some of the more egregious, you know, wild ideas. So hes got a tight rope to walk. Neil all right. Gentlemen, i want to thank you very much. Just to give you a sense, 30 seconds away from crust wallace taking the Chris Wallace taking the stage. They will not a have a role for fact checker, the candidates will try to clarify themselves. The Debate Commission here was very strict on that rule. That is not Chris Wallaces job. It is distinctly possible, though, that the candidates will try to force that on chris. Good luck on that. Now, the start of the president ial debate. [background sounds] chris good evening from the Health Education campus of Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic. Im Chris Wallace of fox news, and i welcome you to the first of the 2020 president ial debates between president donald j. Trump and former Vice President joe biden. This debate is sponsored by the commission on president ial debates. The commission has designed the format, six roughly 15minute segments with 2minute answers from each candidate to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to these rules. For the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic. I can assure you none of the questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. This debate is being conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the Cleveland Clinic which is serving as the Health Security adviser to the commission for all four debates. As a precaution, both campaigns have agreed the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonights debate. The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent, no cheers, no boos or other interruptions so we and, more importantly, you can focus on what the candidates have to say. No noise except right now as we welcome the republican nominee, President Trump, and the democratic nominee, Vice President biden. [applause] how you doing, man . Im well. [applause] chris gentlemen, a lot of people have been waiting for this night, so lets get going. Our first subject is the Supreme Court. President trump, you nominated Amy Coney Barrett over the weekend to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. You say the constitution is clear about your obligation and the senates to consider a nominee to the court. Vice President Biden, you say that this is an effort by the president and republicans to jam through an appointment and what you call an abuse of power. My first question to both of you tonight, why are you right and make the argument you make and your opponent wrong, and where do you think a Justice Barrett would take the court . President trump, in this first segment, you go first. Two minutes. President trump thank you very much, chris. I will tell you very simply, we won the election. Elections have consequences. We have the senate, we have the white house, and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all, top, top academic, good in every way. Good in every way with. In fact, some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people from notre dame and other places. So i think shes going to be fantastic. We have plenty of time. Even if we did it after after the election itself. I have a lot of time after the election, as you know. So i think that she will be outstanding. Shes going to be as good as anybody the that has served on that court. We really feel that. We have a professor at notre dame, highly respected by all, says shes the single greatest student hes ever had. Hes been a professor for a long time at a great school, and we just we won the election and, therefore, we have the right to choose her, and very few people knowingly would say otherwise. By the way, the democrats, they wouldnt wouldnt even think about not doing it. The only difference is theyd try and do it faster. Theres no way they would give it up. They had merrick garland, but the problem is they didnt have the election, so they were stopped. And probably that would happen in reverse also, definitely would happen in reverse. Is so we won the election, and we have the right to do it, chris. Chris President Trump, thank you. Same question to you, Vice President biden. You have two minutes. Vice President Biden first of all, thank you for doing this, and looking forward to doing this, mr. President. I the American People have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is, and that say occurs when they vote for a United States senator and when they vote for the president of the United States. Theyre not going to get that chance now because were in the middle of an election already. The election has already started. Tens of thousands of people have already voted. What should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is, because thats the only way the American People get to express their view, is by who they elect as president and who they elect as Vice President. Now, whats at stalk here, the president s made it clear he wants to get are rid of the Affordable Care act. Hes been running on that, he ran on that, and he has been governing on that. Hes in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care act which will strip 20 Million People from having insurance, Health Insurance now if it goes in the court. And the justice and i have nothing, im not opposed to the justice. She she seems like a very fine person. But shes written, before she went on the bench which is her right, that she thinks the Affordable Care act is not constitutional. The other thing and if its struck down, what happens . Womens rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could be held, pay more money because she has a preexisting condition of pregnancy. Theyre able to charge a woman more for the same exact procedure a man did gets. And that ended when we, in fact, passed the a Affordable Care act. And theres 100 Million People that have preexisting conditions. And theyll be taken away as well. Those preexisting conditions, Insurance Companies are going to love this. And so its just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the senate is democrat or republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until february. President trump there arent 100 Million People with preexisting conditions. As far as the say is concerned, the people have already had their say. They okay. Justice ginsburg said very powerfully, very strong ily, at some point ten years ago or so, she said a president and the senate is collected for a period of time. But a president s elected for four years. Were not elected for three years. Im not elected for three years. So we have the senate, we have a president during that period of time we have an opening. Im not elected for three years, im elected for four years elections already started joe, 100 Million People is totally wrong. I dont know where you got that number. The bigger problem you have is youre going to extinguish 180 Million People with their private. Thats simply not true [inaudible conversations] chris were now into gentlemen, were now into open discussion. Open discussion. Chris go ahead, Vice President. Vice President Biden number one, he knows what ive proposed. What ive proposed is we ec expd obamacare and we increase it. And one of the big debates we had with 23 of i my colleagues trying to win the nomination that i won were saying that biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can, they do, they will under my proposal. Not what youve said, and its not what your party has said the party doesnt [inaudible conversations] your party wants to go socialist medicine. The party right now i am nominate you, joe, you know that. I am the Democratic Party right now. Not according to harris. Its what i, in fact, approved of, what i approved of. Now heres the deal, the deal is that its going to wipe out preexisting and, be by the way, the 20 the 200 million the 200,000 people that have died under his watch, how many of those have survived . Well, theres 7 Million People that contracted covid. What does it mean for them Going Forward if you strike down the awe Affordable Care act . Joe, youve had 308,000 military people dying because you couldnt provide them Proper Health care in the military, so dont tell me im happy to talk about heres the deal if you were here, it would be 2 Million People [laughter] because you were very late on the draw. Late on the draw china, which was heavily infected chris all right, gentlemen, were going to [inaudible conversations] chris mr. President , mr. President youre talking about 2 Million People. Chris moderator. We are going to talk about covid senate next segment, but go ahead. Met me finish. The point is the president also is opposed to roe v. Wade. And thats on the ballot as well in the court. In the court. Thats also at stake right now. And so the election you dont know its on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot . Because why is it its not on the ballot. Its on the ballot in the court. I dont think so. Theres nothing happening there. Donald you dont know her view on roe v. Wade. You dont know her view. Chris well, all right. Lets talk weve got a lot to unpack if here, gentlemen, weve got a lot of time. [laughter] so on health care, and then e well come back to roe v. Wade. All right. Chris mr. President , the Supreme Court will hear a case a week after the election in which the Trump Administration along with 18 state attorneys general are seeking to overturn thats right. Chris obamacare. To end obamacare. Because we want to chris if i may ask my question, sir. Over the last four years, you have promised to repeal and replace obamacare, but you have never in these four years come up with a plan, a comprehensive yes, i have. Chris to replace obamacare. Of course i have. Chris well, im going to excuse me, i got rid of the chris that is not a comprehensive that is absolutely a chris i did not hey, let me ask my question well, ill ask joe. Did you think the mandate was the most unpopular aspect of obamacare . I got rid of it chris mr. President , im the moderator of this debate, and i would like to let you ask my question, and then you can answer. Go ahead. Chris you, in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace obamacare and, just as last thursday, you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with preexisting conditions five days before this debate. So my question, sir, is what is the Trump Health Care plan . All right. Well, first of all, i guess im debating you, not him, but thats okay, im not surprised. [laughter] let me just tell you something, theres nothing symbolic. Im cutting drug prices. Im going with favored nations which no president has the courage to do because youre going against big pharma. Drug prices will be coming down 8090 . You could have done it in your 47year period in government, but you didnt do it. [laughter] so were Cutting Health care what about i give you an example. Insulin, its going to it was destroying families, destroying people because im getting it for so cheap. Its like water, you want to know the truth, so cheap. Take a look at all of the drugs that what were doing, Prescription Drug prices. Were going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because they paw just a chris this is not open discussion. Let me sir, youll be happy im about to pick up on one of your points to ask the Vice President which is, as he points out that you would like to add a public option to obamacare yes. Chris and the argument that he makes and other republicans make is that that is going to end private insurance it is not. Chris im asking the question. Im sorry. [inaudible] by the way. Chris it will end private insurance and create a government takeover of health care. It does not. Its only for those people who are so poor they qualify for medicaid. They can get that free in most states except governors who want to deny people who are poor medicaid. Anyone who qualifies for medicare excuse me, medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. The vast majority of the American People would still not be in that option. Number one. Joe, so you agree with Bernie Sanders and the far left can you socialized medicine. Look. The fact of the matter is i beat Bernie Sanders not by much. I beat him by a whole hell hell of a lot finish. Pocahontas would have left two days earlier [inaudible conversations] you got very lucky. Look, heres the deal. Im going to get very lucky tonight as well, and tonight im going to make sure because heres the deal, heres the deal, the fact is that everything hes saying so far is simply a lie. Im not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows hes a liar but you agree no, youre the liar. You were last in your class, not fist in your class. [laughter] i want to chris mr. President , can you let him finish, sirsome. He doesnt know how to do that. Youd be surprised. You picked the wrong guy, the wrong night, the wrong time. Listen, you agreed with Bernie Sanders there is no manifesto, number one. Chris please let him speak, or mr. President. You just lost the left. You just lost the left. You agreed with Bernie Sanders folks, do you have any idea what this clowns doing . Socialized medicine. Chris mr. President i tell you what, he is not for any help for people needing health care because he, in fact, already has cost 10 Million People their health care that they had from their employers because of his recession. Number one. Number two, there are 20 Million People Getting Health Care through obamacare now that he wants to take it away. He wont look you in the eye and say thats what he wants to do no, i want to give them Better Health care at a much lower price because obamacare he doesnt know how he has never offered a plan. Obamacare, as you chris gentlemen, do you realize youre both speak at the same time . Let the president go ahead, sir. Obamacare is no good. We made it better. And i had a choice to make very early on. We took what e the individual mandate, with we guaranteed preexisting conditions but took away the not true. Listen, this is the way it is. [laughter] and that destroyed they shouldnt even call it obamacare. Then i had a choice to make, do i let my people run it really well or badly . If i run it badly, theyll probably blame him, but theyll blame me, but more importantly, i want to help people, okay . I said youre going to run it so well. And i just had a meeting with them. They said the problem is no matter how well you run obamacare, its a disaster. Chris i got it. We do want to get rid of it, chris, we want to get rid of it chris i understand, sir, but i have to give you roughly equal time. Good. Chris please let the Vice President talk. He has no man for health care yes, we do. Chris please. He sends wishful thinking. He has executive orders that have no power. He hasnt lowered drug costs for anybody. Hes been promising a Health Care Plan since he got elected. He has none, like almost Everything Else he talks about. He does not have a plan. He doesnt have a plan. And the fact is this man doesnt know what hes talking about. Chris all right. I have one final question for you sure. Chris mr. Vice president. If Senate Republicans we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here. If Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett, there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. You call in this a distraction i by the president , but, in fact, it wasnt brought up by the president , it was brought up by some of your democratic colleagues in congress. So my question to you is you have refused in the past to talk about it. Are you willing to tell the American People tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the whatever position i take on that, thatll become the issue. The issue is the American People should speak. You should go out and vote. Youre in voting now. Vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel. Let vote now. Are you going to pack the courtsome. Let people know he isnt going to answer im not going to answer the why wouldnt you would you shut up, man . Whos you know list, joe . Whos on your this is so unpresident ial hes not going to give a list. Chris we have ended this segment. That was really a productive segment, wasnt it . Keep yapping, man. The people understand, joe. 47 years youve done nothing. They understand. Chris all right. The second subject [laughter] is covid19, which is an awfully serious subject, so lets try to be serious about it. We have had more than 7 million cases of coronavirus in the United States and more than 200,000 people have died. Even after we produce a vaccine, experts say that it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal. My question for both of you is based on what you have said and done so far and what you have said you would do starting in 2021, whaished the American People whaished the American People trust you more than your opponent to deal with this Public Health crisis Going Forward; in this case, the question goes to you first, sir. Two minutes uninterrupted. Good luck. 200,000 dead. As you said, over 7 million infected in the United States. We, in fact, have 5 , 4 of the worlds population, 20 of the deaths. 40,000 the people a day are contracting covid. In addition to that, about between 7501,000 people a day are dying. When he was presented with that number he said it is what it is. It is what it is because you are who you are. Thats why it is. The president has no plan. He hasnt laid out anything. He knew all the way back in february how serious this crisis was. He knew it was a deadly disease. What did he do . Hes on tape as acknowledging he knew it. He said he didnt tell us or give people warning of it because he didnt want to panic the American People. You dont panic, he panicked. In addition to that, what did he do . We were insisting that the chinese the people on the ground in china should be able to go to wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He dud not even ask he dud not even ask xi to do that. He told us what a great job xi was doing. He said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. And what did he do then . He then did he waited and waited and waited. He still doesnt have a plan chris sir exactly what we should be doing, and i laid out in july what we should be doing. We should be providing all the protective gear possible, we should be providing the money the house has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open, open schools have cost a lot of money. You should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap in your golf course and bring together the democrats and republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives. So if we would have listened chris two minutes, sir. If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, not 200,000 and 1 person is too much. Its chinas fault, it should have never happened. They stopped it from going in, but it was chinas fault. And, by the way, when you talk about numbers, you dont know how many people died in china, you dont know how people died in russia or india. They dont exactly give you a straight count, just so you un. But if you look at what weve done, i closed it, and you said hes racist and xenophobic chris sir, its his two minutes. You didnt think we should close our country because you thought it was too it was terrible. You wouldnt have closeed it for another two months. But my doing it early, in fact, dr. Fauci said President Trump saved thousands of lives. Many of you democrat governors said President Trump did a phenomenal job [laughter] oh, really . Take a look. [laughter] governors said i did a phenomenal job. Most of them said that. In fact, people that would not be necessarily on my side said that. President trump did a phenomenal job. We did. We got the gowns, we got the masks, we made the ventilators. You wouldnt have made ventilators. And now were weeks away from a vaccine, were doing therapeutics already, fewer people are dying when they get sick, far fewer people are dying. Weve done a great job. The only thing i havent done a good job, and thats because of the fake news. They give you bad press on it. They give you good press, they give me bad press because thats the way it is, unfortunately. Let me just say i dont care, ooh ive gotten used to it. You could never have done the job that we did. You dont have it in your blood, you could have never done the job. I know how to do the job well, you didnt do very well on swine flu. H1n1, you were a disaster 14,000 people died, not 200,000 chris sir, you made a point. Let and there is the no one, we didnt shut down the economy. This is his economy that thats being he shut down. The reason its shut down is because, look, you folks at home, how many of you got up this morning and had an em ity chair at the Kitchen Table because someone died of covid . How many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and you couldnt even speak to them except for a nurse holding a phone up we would have lost far more people, far more people . And you would and by the way his own cdc director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year. And if we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers, just a mask. And by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, were for a vaccine, but i dont thrust him at all nor do you, i know you dont. What we trust is the you dont trust Johnson Johnson, pfizer . Chris gentlemen, let me move on to questions about the future, because you both have touched on one of the two of the questions im going to ask. Focusing on the future. President trump, you have are e peatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your governments own top scientists. The week before last the head of the centers for disease control, dr. Redfield, said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public. You said that he was confused and mistaken. Those were your two words. Yeah. Chris but the head of your operation warp speed has said exactly the same thing. Are they both wrong . Well, ive spoken to the companies, and we can have it a lot sooner. Its a very political thing because people like this would rather make it political than save lives. Ive spoken to pfizer, ive spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to. We have great moderna, Johnson Johnson and others. They can go faster than that i by a lot. Its become very political because the left [inaudible conversations] can. Chris the head of your operation warp speed i disagree with him. And he didnt say that. He said it could be there, but he said it could also be much chris he talked about the summer, sir, before its generally available. He said its a possibility that well have the answer before november 1st. It could also be after that. Chris generally available well, were going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up. Logistically theyre all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers, and they can do 200,000 a day this is the same man who told us by easter this would be gone away, by the warm weather itd be gone, like a miracle. By the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm the. Thats sarcastic. That was said sarcastically. Heres the deal, this man is talking about a vaccine. Every serious, every Serious Company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year. But the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning or the middle of next year to get it out. If we get the vaccine. And pray god we will. Pray god we will. Chris mr. Vice president , i want to pick up, i want to pick up on this we question though. You say the public can trust the scientists but they cant trust President Trump. In fact, you said that again tonight. Your running mate, senator harris, says the Public Health experts, quote will be muzzled, will be suppressed. Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it, are you and your running mate, senator harris, contributing to that fear . No more than the question you just asked me. You pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists. Chris but youre saying senator harris is saying you cant trust well, no, you can trust the scientists. She didnt say that chris she said the Public Health experts club muzzled, will be suppressed. Thats what hes going to try to do. Theres millions of scientists, theres thousands of scientists like here at this great hospital that dont work for him. Their job doesnt depend on him. Theyre the people and, by the way those are the scientists that are in charge. They will have the vaccine very soon. If you believe for a moment what hes telling you in light of all the lies hes told you about the whole issue relating to covid. He still hasnt even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in february, and he didnt even tell you hes on record as saying it. He panicked or he just looked at the stock market. One of the two. Because, guess what . A lot of people died, and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker. Chris mr. President . Did you use the word smart . So you said you went to delaware state, but you forgot the name of your college. [laughter] you didnt go to delaware state. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Dont ever use the word smart with me. Dont ever use that word oh, give me a break. Because, you know what . Theres nothing smart about you, joe. 47 years, youve done nothing lets have this debate. Let me just tell you something, joe, if you would have had the charge of what i was put through, i had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country chris well get to the economy in the next segment, sir. Its going up fast. Chris okay. When it comes to how the virus has been handled so far, the two of you have taken very different approaches, and this is going to affect how the virus is handled forward by whichever of you ends up becoming the next president. I want to go through several things. Reopenings. Vice President Biden, you have been much more reluctant than President Trump about reopening the economy and schools. Why, sirsome. Because he doesnt have a plan. If i were running it, id know what the plan is. Youve got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the ppe as well as with the sanitation they need. You have to pro tell that to nancy pelosi. Please just shush for a minute. Tell it to nancy pelosi. Schumer. Nancy pelosi and schumer, they have a plan. He wont even meet with them. The republicans wont meet with the senate. He sits in his golf course and, i mean, literally, think about it you probably play more than i do, joe. Chris what about this question of reopenings and the fact well, he wants to shut down this country, and i want to keep it open. And we did a great thing by wait a minute, joe, let me shut you down just for one second. We want to he wants to shut down the country. We just went through it. We we had to because we didnt know anything about the disease. Now we found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. We learned a lot. Young children arent, even younger people arent. Weve learned a lot. But he wants to shut it down. More people will be hurt by continuing, if you look at pennsylvania, if you look at certain states that have been shut down they have democrat governors, all, one of the reasons theyre shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election on november 3rd chris i want to move on to another subject aye got to respond chris gentlemen, i want to those states are not doing well that are shut down. Chris President Trump, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer and, in fact, recently you cited the issue of waiters touching their masks and touching plates. Are you questioning the no, i think chris a mask . If you understand, i have a mask right here. I put a mask on when i think i need it. Tonight, as an example, everybodys had a test, and youve had social distancing and all of the things, but when needed, i wear masks. I dont wear masks like him. He could be speaking 200 feet away from he shows up with the biggest mask ive ever seen. [laughter] chris Vice President biden, go ahead, sir. Look, the way to open businesses is to gulf them the wherewithal to get chris i was asking you, sir, about masks. Masks make a big difference. His own head of the cdc said if we just wore masks, if everybody wore masks and social distanced between now and january, wed probably save up to 100,000 lives. It matters and theyve also said the opposite. No serious person said the opposite. What about dr. Fauci . Chris i want to ask you, weve got a minute left masks are not good. Then he changed his mind and said ike okay with masks. Chris i want to ask you about one last subject because your different approach has even affected the way that you have campaigned. President trump, youre holding large rallies with crowds packed together, thousands of people outside. Chris outside. Yes, sir, agreed. Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events because nobody will show up. Chris people with [laughter] nobody shows up to his chris okay, all right. Why are you holding the big rallies, why are you not . You go first, sir. Because people want to hear what i have to say. [inaudible conversations] im the president , and i have 25,35,000 people show up at airports. We use chris are you not worried about well, so far we have had no problem whatsoever. Its outside, thats a big difference according to the experts. We do em outside. We have tremendous crowds, as you see. I mean, every and literally on 24 hours notice. And joe does the circles and has three people someplace chris okay. By the way one of the last rallies heed had, a reporter came up to him and said, no, no, no, stand back, put on your mask. Have you been tested. Im way far away from those other people. And thats what he said. Im going to be okay. Hes not worried about you. Hes not worried about the people out there breathing no negative effect. Weve had no negative effect, and weve had 35, 40,000 people at these rallies. Chris lets finish up, because im going to yes, i would. Hes been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing, the people wearing masks, basically encouraging them not to. Chris all right. Hes a fool on this. If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing, but you cant. Nobody can. Chris gentlemen, can we move on to the economy . Yes. Chris the economy is, i think its fair to say, recovering faster than expected from the shutdown much faster. Chris in the second quarter. The Unemployment Rate fell to 8. 4 last month, the Federal Reserve says the hit to growth, which is going to be there, is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. President trump, you say we are in a vshaped recovery. Vice President Biden, you say its more of a k shape. What difference does that mean to the American People in terms of the economy . President trump, in this segment you go first. So we built the greatest economy in history. We closed it down because of the china plague. When the plague came in, we closed it down which was very hard psychologically to do. He didnt think we should close it down, and he was wrong. And, again, 2 Million People would be dead now instead of still 204,000 people is too much. One person is too much. Should have never happened from china. But what happened is we closed it down, and now were reopening. And were doing record business. We had 10. 4 Million People in a four month period that weve put back into the work force. Thats a record the likes of which nobodys ever seen before. And he wants to close down he will shut it down again. He will destroy this country. You know, a lot of people between drugs and alcohol is and depression, when you saw shutting it down, you take a look at whats happening in some of your democratrun states where they have these tough shutdowns. And im telling you its because they dont want to open it. One of them came out last week, oh, were going to open up on november 9th. Why november 9th . Because its after the election. They think theyre hurting us by keeping them closed. Theyre hurting people. People know what to do. They can social distance, they can wash hands, they can wear masks, they can do whatever they want, but theyve got to open these states up. When you look at north carolina, when you look at these governors are under siege. Pennsylvania, michigan and a couple of others, youve got to open these states up. Its not fair. Youre talking about almost its like being in prison. And you look at whats going on with divorce, look at whats going on with alcoholism and drugs. Its a very, very sad thing. And hell close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country. Our country is coming back incredibly well, setting records as it does it. We dont need somebody to come in and say lets shut it down. Chris all right. Your two minutes, sir. We now move to you. As i said posing the question, the president says its a vshaped recovery, you say its a kshaped recovery. Whats the difference . The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the covid crisis have done very well. Billionaires have made over 300 billion because of his profligate tax proposal and he only focuses on the market. But you folks at home, you folks living in scranton and all the small towns and working class towns in america, how well you doing . Well. This guy paid a total of 750 in taxes chris sir, you agreed to the two minutes, so please let him have it. Do i get my time back . He has, in fact, worked on this in a way that hes going to be the first president of the United States to leave office having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president. Fewer jobs than when he became first one in american history. Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines, those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying, people who have been putting themself in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. And the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in america with a significant increase in covid deaths and covid cases in the United States of america, and he wants to open it up more. Why does he want to open it up . Why doesnt he take care of the he cant fix the economy until you fix the covid crisis. And he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and your safety. School, why are schools open . Because it costs a lot of money to open them safely. You know, they were going to give his administration was going to give the teachers and School Students masks, and then they decided, no, couldnt do that because its not a national emergency. Not a national emergency. Navy done nothing to help theyve done nothing to help small businesses, nothing. Theyre closing. One in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the American People so we can open safely. Chris all right. Your time is up, sir id like to respond to that. Chris well, you both have two minutes, sir. Excuse me, he made a statement. Chris so did you. No, people want their schools open. They dont want to be shut down. They dont want their states shut down. I look at new york, its so sad whats happening in new york. Its almost like a ghost town, and im not sure it can ever recover, what theyve done in new york. People want their places open, they want to get back to their lives people want to be safe. Im the one that brought back football. By the way, i brought back big ten football. It was me and im very happy to do it chris all right ohio, very proud of me chris gentlemen, were going to get to your economic plans Going Forward in a moment, but first, mr. President , as you well know theres a new report that in 2016, the year you were elected president , and 2017 your first year as president that you paid 750 a year in federal income tax each of those years. I know that you pay a lot of other taxes, but ooh im asking you but im canning you the specific question, is it true that you paid 750 in federal income taxes each of those two years . Ive paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax. And let me just tell you there was a story in one of the papers [inaudible] i paid 38 million one year. I paid 27 million show us your tax returns. I went youll see it as soon as its finished. Youll see it. You know what you ought to do . Go to the board of elections. Theres a 118page or so report that says everything i have, every bank i have. Im totally underleveraged because the assets are extremely good, and we have a very, we have i built chris asking you a specific question let me tell you. Chris i understand all of that, i understand all of that [inaudible] chris no, mr. President , im asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 . Millions of dollars. Chris you paid millions of dollars millions of dollars. Chris so not some and you get to see it. When . Chris, relate me just tell you let me just tell you it was the tax laws. I dont want to pay tax. Before i i came here i was a private developer. I was a private business people. Like every other private person, unless theyre stupid, they go through the laws, and thats what it is. He passed the tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits. We built a building and we get tax credits like the hotel on pennsylvania avenue, you get a massive which, by the way, was given to me by the obama administration, if you can believe that. Now, the man got fired chris Vice President biden, you want to respond . Yeah, i do want to respond. Look, the tax code that made him, put him in a position that he pays less tax than a schoolteacher on the money a schoolteacher makes is because of him taking he says hes smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code. Thats why im going to eliminate the trump tax cuts. Thats okay. Im going to make sure that we invest in the people who, in fact, need the help. People out there need help yes. Why didnt you do it over the last 25 years . Because you werent president screwing things up. Youre the worst president that america has ever had, come on. Let me just say, joe, ive done more in 47 months, ive done more than youve done in 47 year, joe. Weve done things that you never even thought of doing chris okay, gentlemen including fixing the broken military that you gave me. Chris mr. President , were talking about the economy. Id like to ask you about your plans Going Forward because, mr. President , your economic plan, if you were to be elected president , focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. I want to focus, first, on the taxes. You proposed more than 4 trillion over a decade in new taxes on individuals making more than 400,000 a year and on corporations. President trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as its just coming out of a recession. Well, just take a look at what the the analysis done by wall street firms. Points out that my, my economic plan would create 7 million more jobs than his in four years, number one. And number two, it would create an durable 1 trillion in Economic Growth because it would be about buying american, that we have to were going to make the federal government spends 600 billion here on everything from ships to steel, to buildings and the like. And under my proposal, were going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a Company Chris but respectfully, sir, im talking about taxes, not spending. By the way, im going to eliminate significant number of the tax. Im going to make the Corporate Tax 28 . It shouldnt be 21 . You have 19 companies 91 companies federal, i mean, in the fortune 500 who dont pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars why didnt you do it when you were Vice President under obama . Because you, in fact, passed that. I got it done yeah, you got it done. Our economy boomed. The economy chris mr. President , let me, mr. President , let me puck up on that. Pick up on that. You would continue your free market approach, lower taxeses, more deregulation, correct . Not lower taxes for the American People. Excuse me. Chris but in obamas, youre talking about the economy booming. It turns out that in obamas final three years as president more jobs were created, a million and a half more jobs, than in the first three years of your presidency. They had the slowest recovery since, economic recovery since 1929. It was the slowest recovery. Also they took over something that was down here. All you had to do was turn on the lights and you picked up a lot. But it was the slowest economic recovery since 1929. Let me tell you about the stock market. When the stock market goes up, that means jobs. It also means 401 k s. If you got in, if you ever became president with your ideasing you want to terminate my taxes, i tell you what, youll lose half of the companies that have poured in here will leave half of the companies they will leave, and you will have a depression the likes of which youve never seen. Look chris mr. Vice president. We inherited the worst recession short of a depression in american history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs youre talking about. We handed him a booming economy. He blew it. It wasnt it wasnt booming. It wasnt booming he blew it. It was the weakest recovery finish. Chris sir, is it fair to say he blew it when ors in fact covid came. Chris when there was record low unemployment before covid . Yeah, because a what he did even before covid, manufacturing went in the hole. Manufacturing went in a hole excuse me, chris, wait number two. Number three no, you were on number two. Chris, chris, they said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing. I brought back 700,000 jobs. They brought back nothing. They gave up on manufacturing. Im the guy that brought back the automobile industry. Cary crust let him i was asked to bring back chrysler and general motors. We brought them back right here in the state of ohio and michigan. He blew it, theyre gone, he blew it. Ohio had the best year its ever had last year. Michigan had the best year theyve ever had that is not true. Many Car Companies came from in germany, went to michigan, went to ohio. Theyre not chris mr. Vice president , go ahead. And so you take a look at what hes actually done, hes done very little. His trade deals are the same i withdraw. He talks about these great trade deals. He talks the art of the deal, chinas perfected the art of the steel. We have the china ate your lunch 100 . China ate your lunch, joe. And no wonder, your son goes in, and he takes out billions of dollars, billions of dollars to manage, makes millions of dollars simply not true. Why is it, just out of curiosity, the mayor of moscows wife gave your son 3. 5 million that is not true. What did he do to deserve it . None of that is true. Chris let him answer it. None of that is true. Oh, really . Chris mr. President . Mr. President , please totally discredited. Totally discredited. And, by the way he didnt get 3. 5 million, joe . He got 3. 5 chris mr. President oh, really . Chris its an open discussion. Youve raised an issue, let the Vice President [inaudible conversations] no experience in energy . Chris mr. President my son did nothing wrong at burisma i think he did. Chris let him answer. He doesnt want to let me answer because he nose i have the truth. His position has been totally, thoroughly by who . By the media, by our allies, by the world bank, by everyone. Its discredited. Matter of fact chris mr. President , please stop. Testified under oath chris go ahead. Im listening to you. Got 3. 5 million from moscow he testified under in his administration and said i did my job and i did it very well. I dont know who they are. Well, ill give you the list. Chris go ahead, sir. Youve already fired most of them because they did a good job. Some people dont do a good job. Chris you get the final word well, its hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, this president let me just chris no, no, no, mr. President that is simply why did he deserve 3. 5 million from moscow . Heres the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics . I dont want to do that. I mean, his family we could talk about all night. My family lost a a fortune coming down and helping out with chris mr. President this is not about my family or his family, its about your family he doesnt, thats not true, he doesnt want to talk about what you need, you, the American People. Its about you. Thats what were talking about. Chris all right. Thats the end of the segment. Were moving on. Didnt take chris Vice President can i be honest . Chris no. The answer to question is no. Sir, sir that is absolutely not true. Youre doing it. Not true. Chris gentlemen i hate to raise my voice, but why shouldnt i be different than the two of you . Thats a good point. Chris so heres the deal. We have six segments. We have ended that segment, were going to go to the next segment. In that segment you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those two minutes, mr. President , you can i say anything you want. Im going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. But i think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. Im appealing to you, sir, to do that. Well, and him too. Well, frankly, youve been doing more interrupting. Thats all right, but he does plenty. [laughter] chris sir, lets hes done plenty. Chris no, less than you have. Lets continue on. Th issue of race. Vice President Biden, you say that President Trumps response to the violence in charlottesville three years ago when he talked about very fine people on both sides was what directly led you to launch this run for president. Oh, yeah, sure. Chris President Trump, you have often said that you believe you have done more for black americans than any president with the possible exception of abraham lincoln. My question for the two of you is why should voters trust you rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years . Vice President Biden, you go first. Its about equity and equality. Its about decency. Its about the constitution. And we have never walked away from trying to require equity for everyone, equality for the whole america. But weve never accomplished it. But weve never walked away from it like he has done. It is true the reason i got in the race is most people close your eyes, remember what those people looked like coming out of the fields carrying torches, their veins bulging, just spewing antisemitic bile and accompanied by the ku klux klan. A young woman got killed, and the president said there were very fine people [inaudible] chris sir. Second point id lake make is that when floyd was killed, mr. Floyd was killed, there was a peaceful protest in front of the white house. What did he do . He came out of his bunker, had the mail military use tear gas on them so he could walk across to a church and hold up a bible. And then what happened after that . The bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. The general who was with him said he, all he ever wants to do is divide people, not unite people at all. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist division. This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping africanamericans, 1 in 1,000 africanamericans has been killed because of the coronavirus. And if he doesnt do something quickly, by the end of the year 1 in 500 will have been killed. 1 in 500 africanamericans. This man, this man is the savior of africanamericans . This man cares at all . This mans done virtually nothing. Look, the fact is that you have to look at what he talks about. You have to look at a what he did and what he did has been disastrous for the africanamerican community. So chris President Trump, you have two minutes. Why should Americans Trust you over your opponent to deal with racism . He did a crime bill, 1994, where you called them super predators, africanamericans, and theyve never forgotten it. Theyve never forgotten chris sir, its his two minutes. Im letting people out of jail now that you have treated the africanamerican population, community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. You did the 19 ask thats if you look at the polls, im doing better than any republican has done in a long time, because they saw what you did. You called them super predators, and youve called them worse than that. You look at your testimony over the years, youve called them a lot worse than that. As far as the church is concerned and the generals is concerned, we just got the support of 250 military leaders and generals, total support. Law enforcement, almost every Law Enforcement group in the United States, i have florida, i have texas, i have ohio, i have everybody excuse me, portland, the sheriff just came out today and he said i support President Trump. I dont think you have any Law Enforcement. You cant even say the word Law Enforcement because if you say those words, youre going to lose all of your radical left supporters. And why arent you saying those words, . Why dont you say the words Law Enforcement . Because, or you know what . If they called us in portland, we would put out that fire in half an hour, but they wont do it because theyre run by radical left democrats. If you look at chicago, if you look at any place you want to look, seattle. They heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands, seattle. Minneapolis, and we got it back, joe, because we believe in law and order. You dont. The top 10 cities in just about the top 40 cities are run by democrats, and theyve got you wrapped around your finger, joe, to a point where you dont want to say anything about law and order. Ill tell you what, the people of this country want and demand law and order, and youre afraid to even say it. Chris all right. I want to return to the question of race. Vice President Biden, after the grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide, you said it raises the question, quote whether justice could be equally applied in america. Do you believe that there is a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in Vice President biden yes there is, there is simmic injustice in this country, in work and in Law Enforcement. And the way in which it is enforced but look the vast majority of Police Officers are good decent honorable men and women. They risk their lives every day to take care of us. But there are bad apples. When they occur, find them they have to be sorted out. They had have to be held accountable. They have to be held accountable. What i will do as president of the United States call together an entire group of people at the white house, everything from the civil Rights Groups to Police Officers, police chiefs. Well work this out. Were going to work this out so we change the way which we have more transparency when these things happen. These cops are not happy to see what happened to george floyd. These cops are not happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor. Most dont like it. We need a system where people are held accountable. Violence in response is never appropriate, never appropriate peaceful protest is. Violence is never appropriate. President trump what is peaceful protest . Run through the middle of town and burn down stories and kill people all over the police. Vice President Biden that is not peaceful protest. President trump you say it is. Chris i promise we get to the issue of law and order in a moment. President trump fine. Chris this month your administration directed federal agencies to end Racial Sensitivity Training that addresses White Privilege or critical race theory. Why did you decide to do that to end Racial Sensitivity Training and do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir. President trump i ended it because it is racist. I ended a lot of people were complaining they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane t was a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place and you know it, and so does everybody else. Chris what is radical about Racial Sensitivity Trainings, sir. President trump if you are a certain person you had no status in life. It was sort of a reversal. And if you look at people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frayingly very sick ideas. And really they were teaching people to hate our country. And im not going to do that i am not going to allow that to happen. We have to go back to the core values of this country. They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place. It is a racist place and they were teaching people to hate our country. Im not going to allow that to happen. Chris Vice President biden. Vice President Biden nobody is doing that. He is racist. President trump you dont know chris let him finish. Vice President Biden the fact is there is racial incense tivity. People have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what, what insults them, what is demeaning to them. It is important to people. No, they dont want, many people dont want to hurt other peoples feelings but it makes a big difference. It make as gigantic difference the way the child is able to grow up to have a sense of selfesteem. A little bit how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. Look down nose on people like Irish Catholics me grow up in scranton. Look down on people who dont have money. They look down on people of a different faith. They look down on people who are a difficult color. In fact were all americans. The only way well bring this country together is bring everybody together. There is nothing we cannot do if we do it together. We can take this on and we can defeat racism. Chris Vice President , President Trump, sir. President trump during the obamabiden administration. There was tremendous division. There as hatred. You look at ferguson, many places. Look what happened in oakland. Look what happened in baltimore. Look what happened, frankly more violent what im seeing now but the reason is that the democrats that run these cities dont want to talk about you like law and order. You still vangs mentioned. Are you in favor of law and order. Vice President Biden i am in favor of law and you following it. President trump are you in favor of law and order . Vice President Biden law and order. Chris let him answer. Vice President Biden law and order with justice where people get treated fairly. The fact Violent Crime went down 17 , 15 in our administration. Went went up more on his watch. President trump went down much more on ours. Beat every record in the book. Chris mr. President youre very happy. We will talk about law and order. President trump democratic run cities. Chris my question, increase in homicides in america, this summer, particularly in cities you blame that on democratic mayors and democratic governors, there are spikes in tulsa and fort worth. The question is this really a party issue. President trump i think it is a party issue. You can bring in a couple of examples. Look what is going on in chicago where 53 people were shot and eight died, shot. If you look at new york where it is going up like nobodys ever seen anything. The numbers are going up, 100, 150, 200 . Crime. Vice President Biden republican cities. President trump he doesnt want to say law and order because he cant he will lose his radical left supporters and once he does that it is over with. If he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it we would have our suburbs would be gone and you would see problems like you never seen before. Vice President Biden he wouldnt know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn. President trump i know suburbs. Vice President Biden i was raised in the suburbs. This is not 1950. All dog whistles on racism dont work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated. Many people today driving cuds to soccer practice and black, white, hispanic in the same car, as there anytime in the past. What is really a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with covid. Theyre dying in the suburbs. His failure to deal with the environment. Theyre being flooded. Theyre being burned out because his refusal to do anything. That is why the suburbs are in trouble. Chris i want to talk about the issue of law and order though. In the joint recommend decision came from the biden Bernie Sanders task force, you talked about quote reimagining policing. First of all what is reimagining policing mean and do you support Vice President biden it means. Chris if i might finish the question. What does reimagining policing mean, do you support the black lives matter call for, for Community Control of policing . Vice President Biden look, what i support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and im totally opposed to defunding the Police Officers. As a matter of fact police, local police. The only one defunding in his budget calls for 400 million cut in local Law Enforcement assistance. They need more assistance. They need when they show up for a 911 call to have someone psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force to be able to talk people down. We have to have Community Policing like we had before where the officers get to know the people in the communities. That is when crime went down. It didnt go up, it went down. So we have to be engaged. President trump he doesnt know what he is talking about. He talking about defunding the police. Vice President Biden that is not true. President trump he doesnt have any law, he has no Law Enforcement Vice President biden that is not true. Look President Trump who do you have, name one group that supports you . Name one group came out supported you, go ahead, think, we have time. Vice President Biden we dont have time to do anything about it. President trump name one Law Enforcement group that came out and supported you . Chris gentlemen, i will take back the moderators role. I want to get to another subject the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. In portland, oregon, especially we had more than 100 Straight Days of protests which i think you would agree about peaceful protests many of those turned into riots. Mr. Vice president , you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. The question i have though is, as the democratic nominee, earlier tonight you said you are the Democratic Party right now, have you ever called the democratic mayor of portland or the democratic governor of oregon and said, hey, you got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it take but stop days and months of violence in portland . Vice President Biden i dont hold Public Office now. I am a former Vice President of. I have made it clear, i made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted. Anyone who commits it chris but never called for people, excuse me, sir, you have never called for the leaders in portland and in oregon to call, bring in the National Guard and knock off 100 days of riots. Vice President Biden they can in fact take care of it, if he would just stay out of the way. President trump oh, really . Oh, really . Chris sir, wait a minute i asked him a question. President trump killed a young man in the middle of the street. Shot him. Three days portland wouldnt do anything. Chris President Trump, go ahead, sir. Vice President Biden by the way his own former spokesperson said you know, riots and chaos and violence help his cause. That is what this is all about. President trump i dont know who said that. Vice President Biden i do . President trump who . Vice President Biden kellyanne conway. President trump i dont think she said that. Vice President Biden heres the point. Chris go ahead. Vice President Biden that what he keeps trying to rile everything up. He doesnt want to calm things down. Instead of going in talking to people, lets get everybody together, figure out how to deal with this, whats he do . He pours gasoline on the fire constantly, every single solitary time. Chris end this, buttoning up the segment sir, you repeatedly President Trump answer his chris youve been talking before. President trump he made a statement. I would like to end it. I would love to end it. Chris if you want to switch seats we could do that. President trump send in the National Guard it would be over it would be problem. They dont want to accept the National Guard. Chris you repeatedly criticized Vice President not calling out antifa or leftist groups. President trump right. Chris are you willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups. President trump sure. Chris they need to stand down not add to violence in number of cities as we saw in kenosha and seen in portland . Are you prepared specifically to do it . Go ahead sir. President trump almost everything i see is from the leftwing. Not from the rightwing. Im willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Vice President Biden say it. President trump what do you want to call them . Give me a name. Who would you like to condemn them. Chris white President Trump stand back and stand by. I tell you what, i tell you what, somebody has to do something about antifa and the left this is not a rightwing. Problem this is a leftwing problem. Vice President Biden his own fbi director said right wang supremacist. Antifa is idea, not a organization. His fbi director said. President trump kidding me. Chris were done. President trump antifa is not idea. Vice President Biden everyone in your administration tells you truth is bad idea. You have no idea. President trump antifa is a dangerous, radical group. Chris were moving on to the trump President Trump over throw you. Chris i will ask a question, when the president seek as second term it is generally a referendum on his record but Vice President biden you like to quote one of your dads saying, dont compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. In this case sir you are the alternative. Looking at both of your records, im going to ask each of you why should voters elect you president over your opponent in this segment. President trump you go first. Two minutes. President trump because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than i have done in a period of 3 1 2 years. And that is despite the impeachment hoax. You saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton where there was a whole big con job. Despite going through all of these things. I had to fight both flanks and behind me and above, there has never been an administration thats done what ive done. Greatest, before covid came in, the greatest economy in history. Lowest unemployment numbers. Everything was good, everything was going by the way there was unity going to happen. People were calling me first time in years they were calling and saying it is time maybe and then what happened . We got hit. Now were building it back up again. Rebuilding of the military, including space force and all of the other things. A fixing of va, which was a mess under him. 308,000 people died because they didnt have Proper Health care. It was a mess. We now got a 91 Approval Rating at the va, our vets. We take care of our vets but weve rebuilt our military. The job that weve done and ill tell you something, some people may be the most important by the end of the first term i will have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges, 300. And hopefully three great Supreme Court judges, justices. That is a record the likes of which very few people, you know one of the reasons i will have so many judges because president obama and him left me 128 judges to fill. When you leave office, you dont leave any judges. That is like you just dont do that. They left 128 openings and if i were a member of his party, because they have a little different philosophy i would say if you left us 128 openings, you cant be a good president. You cant be a good Vice President. But i want to thank you because it gives us almost, probably will be above that number by the end of this term 300 judges its a record. Chris looking at both your records, why should voters elect you president as opposed to President Trump . You have two minutes uninterrupted. Vice President Biden under this president weve become weaker sicker, poorer, more divided and more violent. When i was Vice President we inherited a recession. I was asked to fix it. I did. We left him a booming economy. And he caused a recession. With regard to being weaker the fact is that i have gone headtohead with putin and made it clear to take any of his stuff. He is putins puppy. Refuses to say anything to putin on bounty of heads of american soldiers. President trump your son got a million dollars. Chris mr. President , your campaign agreed to both sides would get two minute answers uninterrupted. Your side agreed to it. Why dont you observe what your campaign agreed to as a groundrule. Vice President Biden he never keeps his rule. Chris no. That was a rhetorical question. Vice President Biden can you add back 30 seconds. Chris yes, go ahead. Vice President Biden were poorer. Billionaires gotten much more wealthy by tune of 3 to 400 billion more just since covid. You and the whole, you got less. Youre in more trouble than you were before. In terms of being more violent, when we were in office there were 15 less violence in america than there is today. He is president of the United States. It is on his watch. And with regard to more divided, the nation cant stay divided. We cant be this way. Speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers, my son was in iraq. He spent a year there. He got, he got the bronze star. Got Conspicuous Service medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes. President trump really. Vice President Biden i resent like hell. President trump talking about Vice President biden talking about my son bo biden. President trump i dont know bo. Hunter got thrown out of the military. Was thrown out dishonorably discharged. Vice President Biden that is not true. Was not. President trump he didnt have a job until you became Vice President. Vice President Biden none of that is true. President trump he made a fortune in ukraine, china, moscow. Vice President Biden that is simply not true. My son, my son President Trump he didnt have a job. Vice President Biden my son like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem. He has overtaken it. He fixed it. He worked on it, im proud of him. President trump why was given tens of millions of dollars. Vice President Biden he was not given tens of millions of doll lars. That is totally chris been already. Vice President Biden discredited. Chris already been through with this. I think American People would rather hear about more substantial. President trump so do i. Chris as moderator i make judgment call. President trump 3 million from mayor of moscow. Vice President Biden that report is totally discredited. Mitt romney on Committee Said that report was not worth taxpayers money. Chris would like to talk about Climate Change. Vice President Biden so would i. Chris forest fires in the west burned millions of acres. They have displaced hundreds of thousands of people. When state officials there blamed fires on Climate Change, president , i dont think the science knows. Over your four years you have pulled the u. S. Out of paris climate accord. You have rolled back a number of obama environmental records. What do you believe about the science of Climate Change and what will you do in the next four years to confront it . President trump i want Crystal Clean water and air. I want beautiful, clean air. We have now the lowest carbon, if you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally. But i havent destroyed our businesses. Our businesses arent put out of commission. If you look at the paris accord, it was a disaster from our standpoint. People are actually very happy about what is going on because our businesses are doing well. As far as the fires are concerned, you need Forest Management in addition to Everything Else. The forests floors are loaded up with trees, dead trees, years old and theyre like tinder. And leaves and Everything Else. You drop a cigarette in there the whole forest burns down. You have to got to have Forest Management. Chris what do you believe about the science of Climate Change, sir . President trump i believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air, immaculate water, do whatever else we can do. Were planting a billion trees. The billion tree project. Very exciting. Chris do you believe that human pollution, gas, Greenhouse Gas emissions contributes to the Global Warming of planet . President trump i think a lot of things do, to an extent yes. But i also think we have to do better management of our forests. Every year i get the call californias burning. Californias burning. If that was cleaned, if that were, if you had Forest Management, good Forest Management, you wouldnt be getting those calls. You know in europe they live, forest cities. They are called forest cities. They maintain their forests. They manage their forests. I was with the head of a major country. Its a forest city. He said, sir we have trees that are far more they ignite much easier than california. There shouldnt be that problem. I spoke with the governor about it. Im getting along very well with the governor. At some point you cant every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burn to the ground. That is burning down because of a lack of management. Chris sir if you believe in the safe ends of Climate Change why have you rolled back the obama Clean Power Plan which limited Carbon Emissions and power plants. Why have you relaxed President Trump because it was driving energy price there is you sky. Chris why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that will create more pollution from cars . President trump not really. The car is much less expensive, much safer car. Youre talking about a tiny difference. Then what would happen because of the cost of the car, you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. We have the old slugs out there, 10, 12 years old. If you did that the car would be safer, much cheaper and chris california President Trump taking a lot of cars off the market because people would be able to afford a care. By the way well see how that turns out but a lot of people agree with me. The car has gotten so expensive because they have computers all over the place for an extra little bit of gasoline. And, im okay with electric cars too. Im all for electric cars. Ive given big incentive fors electric cars. What they have done in california is just crazy. Chris Vice President biden i would like you to respond to the president s Climate Change record. I want to ask you about a concern, you proposed two trillion dollars in green jobs. You talk about new limits, not abolishing but new limits on fracking, ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035 and zero net emission of Green House Gases by 2050. The president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. Vice President Biden he is absolutely wrong, number one. Number two, if in fact during our administration the recovery act i was able, i was in charge, able to bring down the cost of Renewable Energy to cheaper than or as cheap as coal and gas and oil. Nobody is going to build another coalfired plant in america. No one is going to build another oil fired plant in america. They will move to Renewable Energy, number one. Number two well make sure we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that is run by, theyre electric vehicles. Making sure we can do that. Well put 500,000 charging stations. All the highways well be building in the future. Well build an economy that in fact is going to provide for the ability of us to take four million buildings and make sure that they in fact are weatherized in a way that in fact will, they will emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There are some things that we can do now do create thousands and thousands jobs. We can get to net zero in terms of Energy Production by 2035. Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs. Creating millions of goodpaying jobs. Not 15 bucks an hour but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure that in fact is green. And the first thunk i will do, i will rejoin the paris accord. I will join the paris accord because with us out of it look what is happening, it is falling apart. Talk about someone who has no relationship with foreign policy, brazil, the rainforest of brazil are being torn down, being ripped down. More carbon is absorbed in the rain forcest than every bit of carbon emitted in United States. Instead of doing something about that, i would gathering up make sure countries of the world coming up with 20 billion. Here is 20 billion. Stop, stop tearing down the forests and if you dont then you will have significant economic consequences. Chris what about the argument President Trump basically says that have to balance environmental interests and economic interests and he is drawn his line . Vice President Biden he hasnt drawn a line. He still, for example, makes sure, he wants to make sure methane is not a problem. You can now emit more methane without being a problem. Methane. This is a guy who says that you dont have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is guy who says, the fact is it is all true. President trump talking about the Green New Deal. It is not two billion or 20 billion as you said. Its 100 trillion. Vice President Biden im talking about chris go. President trump rebuilding building. That is the dumbest most ridiculous. Where airplanes are out of business. Where two car systems are out. Vice President Biden not true. President trump they want to take out the cows. That is not true either right. Vice President Biden not true. President trump this is a 100 trillion. That is more money than our country could make in 100 years if were Vice President biden not the case. Not the case. Chris wait a minute, sir. I actually have studied your plan and it includes upgrading four million buildings, weatherizing two million homes over four years. Building one 1 2 Million Energy efficient homes. So the question becomes, president is saying i think some people who support the president would say that sounds like it is going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. Vice President Biden what it will do, it will create thousands and millions of jobs, goodpaying jobs. Chris let him finish, sir. Vice President Biden he doesnt know how to do it. President trump 100 trillion. Vice President Biden it will create millions of good paying jobs, tax incentives for people to weatherize which he wants to get rid of make the economy much safer. Look how much were paying to deal with hurricanes, by the way he has answer for hurricanes. Maybe drop a Nuclear Weapon on them. President trump i never said that at all. Vice President Biden he said it. President trump you made it up. You make up a lot. Vice President Biden well be in the position where we can create hard, hard, good, jobs by making sure the environment is clean and we all are in better shape. We spend billions of dollars now, billions of dollars on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. Were in real trouble. Look what happened just in the midwest with storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in iowa. That didnt happen before. Because of Global Warming. We make up 15 of the worlds problem. We in fact, but, rest of the world weve got to get them to come along. We have to get back into, back into the paris accord. Vice President Biden chris gentleman President Trump why didnt he do it for 47 years. You were Vice President. Why didnt get world, china sends up real dirt, russia, india does, they all do. Were supposed to be good. By the way he made a couple of statements. The Green New Deal is 100 trillion. Vice President Biden that is not my plan. The Green New Deal is not my plan. President trump rebuild chris gentlemen, gentlemen. President trump made a statement about the military. You said i said something about the military. He and his friends made it up. They went with it. He went with it. Vice President Biden that is not true. President trump he called the military stupid. Vice President Biden i did not say that. President trump he said stupid bastards. He did. Chris stop. Vice President Biden play it. Chris go ahead. Mr. Vice president answered his final question. Vice President Biden the final question, i cant remember which of all his rantings. Chris having a little trouble myself. About the economy and about this question what it will cost. Vice President Biden the economy chris Green New Deal, idea of what your environmental Vice President biden Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move for regard. Well not build plants that in fact are great polluting plants. Chris you support the Green New Deal . Vice President Biden i dont support the Green New Deal. President trump you dont at that. That is a big statement. Hurt the radical left. Vice President Biden i support the biden plan, that i put forward. Chris okay. Vice President Biden the biden plan which is different what he calls radical Green New Deal. Vice President Biden gentlemen, final segment. Election integrity. As we meet tonight, millions of americans are receiving mailin ballots or going to vote early. How confident should we be that this will be a Fair Election and what are you prepared to do over the next five, plus weeks. Because it will not only be until election day. Counting ballots. Vice President Biden what are you prepared to do to reassure the American People, that the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election in this final segment, mr. Vice president. You go first. Vice President Biden prepared to let people vote. Go to i will vote. Com. Decide how they will vote, when they will vote. What means they will vote. His own Homeland Security director as well as fbi director says there is no evidence at all that mailin ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating. They said that. The fact is, that there are going to be millions of people because of covid will be voting by mailin ballots like he does, by the way. He sits behind the resolute desk sends his ballot to florida. Number one. Number two. We make sure people want to vote in person are able to vote because enough poll watchers there to make sure they socially distant. Polls are open on time. Polls stay open until the votes are counted this is about trying to dissuade people from voting because he is trying to scare people into thinking that it is not going to be legitimate. Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If youre able to vote early in your state, vote early. If youre able to vote in person, vote in person. But whatever way is the best way for you, because you will, he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. And in terms of whether or not votes are counted, theyre all counted. That will be accepted. If i win that will be accepted. If i lose that will be accepted by the way if in fact he says he is not sure what he is going to accept, let me tell you something, it doesnt matter because if we get the votes it is going to be all over. He is going to go. He cant stay in power. It wont happen. It wont happen. So vote. Just make sure you understand you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change. Will you get for hour years of these lies. Chris mr. President , two minutes. President trump so i listen to very talking about a transition, there has been no transition from when i won. I won that election and if you look at crooked Hillary Clinton, if you look at all of the different people, there was no transition because they came after me trying to do a coup. They came after me spying on my campaign. They started from the day i won and even before i won. The day i came down the escalator with our first lady. They were a disaster. They were a disgrace to our country. Weve caught them. We caught them all. We got it all on tape. By the way you gave the idea for the logan act against general flynn. You better take a look at that we caught in a sense. President obama was sitting in the office. He knew about it too. Dont sell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned it is a disaster. Solicited ballot, solicited is okay. Youre asking, they send it back you send it back. I did that. If you have theyre sending millions of ballots all over the country. There is fraud. They found them in creek. Found some happened to have the name trump other day in waste paper basket. Theyre being sent all over the place. Sent two in democrat area. Sent out 1000 ballots. Everybody got two ballots. This will be a fraud like you never seen. The other thing it is nice on november 3rd, youre watching see who won the