Media, entertainment and corporate elites about how we really should be living better lives like theirs. Americans who are simply anxious or desperate to get back to work to feed their families and survive are condemned as selfish people who are putting lives as risk. While we havent been able to worship at our church or synagogue, we have been essentially compelled to worship at the altar of police hay ted that hay e tread that have been rerecollected. Surging crime and unruly protests make life in this country even worse than it already is. Our professional sportsmen and women up easies that the most important thing they can do right now is to take a knee during the national anthem. The nations cities are once again becoming a nightmare of crime, decay and despair. This week new York Governor Andrew Cuomo begged those thousands of residents who have fled new york city to come back. I say youve got to come back. When are you coming back . Well go to dinner. Ill buy you a drink. Come over, ill cook. Theyre not coming back right now. Gerry theres an invitation youd find hard to refuse, im sure, but why would they come back . Violent crime in the city is soaring. There were more shootings in new york in the first seven months of 2020 than the whole of 2019. Schools now are dominated by teachers unions with radical agendas, that is, if the students are allowed to return to school. As more people flee, the tax base of the city and other cities will shrink, that will mean already skyhigh taxes will rise further. Its a vicious spiral thats being copied in cities across the country, nearly all driven by Democratic Leaders who very happily milked the hard working people of their cities to fund their e own agendas for so long. And they blame the rest of us for the problems. In the cruelest of ironieses, it seems that the misery of 2020 the, much of it thanks to these city leaders own work, is helping the democratic partys election chances this year. The pandemic and the lockdowns have delivered a massive body blow to the economy. And while jobs are slowly coming back, the july employment report on friday shows that the Unemployment Rate is still in double digits. Democrats seem to be benefiting from the nations unrest and the fear of greater racial and social tension. Later in the show ill be speaking with someone who says theres a connection between all these events and how theyre being used by the ruling elites to expand their power. But in washington this week we had a new installment in another story the democrats have pushed for years to improve political prospects, the claim that president Trumps Campaign colluded with russia in 2016. As we all know, there was no collusion, but the invest known as operation crossfire hurricane was used as a way to undermine President Trump and his associates such as former National Security adviser Michael Flynn, and it was the bay us of the longrunning Mueller Investigation which in the end found no wrong doing but nabbed flynn and others on charges unrepresented. The Senate Judiciary committee, led by chairman lipped save graham, has been digging into what was behind the operation and to see whether the real scandal was whether the Obama Administration used the investigation against a political a opponent. This week the panel questioned sally yates who agreed in january 2017 to allow the continued federal spying of another trump ally, carter page, based on the discredited steele dossier. If i had known that it con contained Incorrect Information, i certainly wont have signed it. Thank you. And do you agree with me it did contain Incorrect Information . I know that now based on the horowitz report. Thats all im trying to say. Gerry yet despite all the evidence to the contrary, democrats led by Ranking MemberDianne Feinstein keep insisting it was the Trump Campaign that acted improperly. So well begin this week with a look at crossfire hurricane and talk to someone whos well versed in it because he was a target of it. George pap adopt loss was a Foreign Policy adviser to the Trump Campaign, and the Justice Department began the probe in 2016. He was jailed for 12 days after pleading guilty to making false statements to the fbi about his contacts, but the Mueller Investigation cleared him of any actual misdeeds involved with russia, and hes long insisted he was a victim of fbi entrapment. George papadopoulos, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Gerry remind us exactly how you got involved in this. You had conversations in london, actually, in europe, i should say, with someone, a professor who told you that the russians may have dirt on Hillary Clinton, and the rest, as it were, is history. Tell us just a little bit about how that unfolded and what happened. Absolutely. I was working at the time after i left the Ben Carson Campaign at a Organization Called the London Center for International Law practice. And once i notified this organization that i would be leaving and joining the Trump Campaign and moving back to the United States where i had originally been based in london, they decided that they wanted me to meet with various people that would possibly help me make various contacts throughout the world to help the Trump Campaign, and it was that organization that introduced me to Joseph Misfud in rome initially. Gerry to be clear, you accepted a plea of guilty of lying to federal agents about the timing of your meetings. You claimed in an investigation in their interview with them that youd met this man before you joined the Trump Campaign and that the whole thing was just a coincidence that he was offering dirt on Hillary Clinton when it turned out, at least according to the indictment, that you did meet him after you joined the Trump Campaign. So you did mislead or misrepresent your past to the fbi, is that correct . It depends on how we look at the new information that has been revealed. We cant forget that the durham investigation became a criminal matter only after both attorney general barr and john durham traveled to rome to discuss Joseph Misfud with various Italian Government officials and Intelligence Officers. So i think the whole story and who this professor actually was really working for is still subject to scrutiny. And it is actually at the a heart of the durham investigation. And i think once the true identity of who Joseph Misfud was really working for, im not sure i did actually lie to the fbi. Gerry so whats your observation that he was doing, what was the whole what was that story about . Well, we have to look at the who Joseph Misfud is as an individual. This is an individual who the moment that my name went public during the october 2017 time frame, it went public in an interview in the italian media and stated he was an ally of clinton and was actually some sort of member of the Clinton Foundation shortly after that interview, he went underground, and hes gone missing. No one seems to know where this person is. There are rumors that hes actually hiding out in the rome which is extremely bizarre considering that mueller and comey and even sally yates during her testimony characterized Joseph Misfud as some sort of russian Intelligence Officer who was offering me this information about Hillary Clinton. I i believe what will eventually be revealed about Joseph Misfud is exactly what his lawyer himself has stated, that he was working on behalf of western intelligence when he was interacting with me and when he in de facto terms entrapped me with this information that i never asked nor. Gerry and you think this whole thing was set up to entrap you and, obviously, ultimately donald trump, is that right . Thats what the evidence seems to suggest, and thats exactly why i believe every time that the name Joseph Misfud came up during sally yates testimony, you had senator blumenthal ask her to recount or retract her statement in some form because i think people have now understood, including the investigators who are looking into the origins of the russia probe, that Joseph Misfud is not who comey and bob mueller characterized him for the last two years to be. 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I just happened to be working for a rival president ial campaign against Hillary Clinton, and we have reached the point where the Obama Administration officials like sally yates and rosenstein under oath are pointing the fingers at other subordinates and accusing them of being more involved than themselves and fabricating investigations into the Trump Campaign. So clearly, the Obama Administration at the highest levels must have been involved simply based on the types of characters the foreign governments involved and other activities that manifested themselves around myself, general flynn, Paul Manafort and even carter page. This could not have emanated from a lowlevel fbi agent like kevin klein smith or even workers like peter strzok or lisa page. This must have come from the top, and we now know based on declassified information that president obama and joe biden were directly involved in the una unmasking of general Michael Flynn and other campaign associates. Were till learning more about who that might have been. Gerry Robert Mueller says that, you know, its fairly straightforward, you were told in the spring of 2016 that the russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton, and that was communicated ultimately to the campaign. And then we did see in the summer of 2016 a whole release through wikipedia about leaks from the Democratic National committee, and they say, look, thats too much of a coincidence, right . Here we have somebody telling the campaign or communicating to the campaign that the russians have dirt on Hillary Clinton, and a couple months later we see this is related to the public sphere. That does at least look like maybe there was something going on there that maybe needed to be investigated, isnt that right . No, lets look at just to be clear i never told anybody on the campaign what Joseph Misfud toll me about emails, and the attorney general himself has gone public and stated that whatever information was relied to this australian diplomat in london over a gin and on the thetic at the kensington wine rooms was not sufficient as a predicate to open either a counterintelligence investigation or a criminal investigation. And secondly, the information about emails and Hillary Clinton was widely speculated throughout the global media in the spring of 2016. For all i knew, Joseph Misfud was repeating a rumor. And whats very interesting and disturbing and why i think this australian has actually been interviewed by john durham is because what he suggested that i e told him that, oh, the russians have dirt on hillary, but i never used the word emails. Yet somehow the email narrative emerged spontaneously from these various meetings i was having. And thats exactly why i think these meetings are under scrutiny, because the theory now is whether this information was intentionally planted on me to see what i would do with it. And i never passed it along to the campaign. Gerry very, very quickly because weve got to wrap, an investigation by john durham, prosecutor, is looking into what role might the Obama Administration and the fbi and the Justice Department may have played. Very, very quickly because weve got to wrap, what do you think, what are you expecting to come out of that investigation . Im expecting criminal indictments. I think people are cooperating in this investigation. This investigation has been ongoing for over a year, highlevel officials have been interviewed from various foreign governments, and now finally john brennan looks to be the final target, and he will be under the microscope as john durham interviews him in the coming weeks. Gerry chiang, thank you very much george, thank you very much, indeed. 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Its a provocative claim that were facing a kind of a coup detat here, could you very briefly explain what you mean by that, and in particular how all these events that weve seen in the last six months sort of fit together and have been used by powerful people in america to cement their power. Well, look, beginning with the fact that the covid event is not primarily a plague, its not a plague. I mean, this virus is is being treated by the, there are no better way to describe it than the powers that be, from Corporate America to the government and the bureaucracy, and if it were a plague, and a plague it is not. Begin with that fact and then move on from there. We do not have an official estimate, an official rendering of the infection fatality rate; that is to say the government has not given, has not arrived at, has not come to an understanding of precisely what the percentage of persons who are infected by this virus die of it but gives the impression that we are facing a terrible, terrible danger. In fact, all of the evidence, all of it, every last little bit of it that we have, suggests they just tell us what we are facing is very much like the flu and not aer terribly virulent gerry so, professor, so as a result weve had to endure a government thats imposed lockdowns right. And it goes beyond that. You can is search the literature until the cows come home, and you not find anyone will not find anyone, any reputable person who has ever thought that imposing quarantines on Healthy People makes any sense whatsoever. And yet this is what is being done. Gerry again, very briefly, just tell us how these, how these elites are increasing their power. Well, just simply look at the amount of money that has flowed out of main street and gone into the biggest businesses in the country. The most obvious person, of course, is the richest man in the world, jeff bezos, owner of amazon. Com. Youve had countless restaurants, the small shops simply put out of business, and the business has flowed to them. Look at new e number of groce groceries that have been shut down, and look at what has happened to what has not happened to costco and walmart, etc. , etc. Gerry professor none of this has any the point of this has anything to do with public health. The biggest thing of all is gerry very quickly. What has happened to the churches and how they have been shut down and how theres now primarily e a oneway system of communication in this country. Gerry its a really fascinating piece. I recommend readers read it in the american mind, the covid coup. Thank you very much, indeed, for explaining that to us and putting all of that into context in a way that i think helps us understand what is going on out there. Just ahead, some people in America Today want us to reject American History. We need to make sure they dont succeed. Stay with us. At Fisher Investments, we do things differently and other Money Managers dont understand why. Because our way works great for us but not for your clients. Thats why were a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. So, what do you provide . Cookie cutter portfolios . Nope. We tailor portfolios to our clients needs. But you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right . We dont have those. So, whats in it for you . Our fees are structured so we do better when you do better. At Fisher Investments were clearly different. Our fees are structured so we do better when you do better. 1 in 5 people you meet wear yeah. That many but right now, is not the time to talk about it. So when youre ready, search my denture care. Poligrip and polident. Fixed. Fresh. And just between us. Were helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months so they can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most find out more at usaa. Com gerry 75 years ago this past week the United States dropped the first ever atomic bomb on hi hiroshima, japan. That essentially ended the worst war the world has seen. Many people to this day continue to criticize president trumans decision to use prevented the loss of lives of Many Americans who would have been casualties in the planned u. S. Invasion of the islands. It also shaped American History for the next seven decades. Its impossible to overstate the importance america had in defeating nazi e germany and Imperial Japan whose ambitions of global domination led to the deaths of 85 million people. And yet to listen to so much of our current political discourse, youd be forgiven for thinking it was the United States who has to atone for something. Progressives tell us we need to reject almost everything about u. S. History instead of celebrating the great things this country has done; liberating the world from both fascism in that war and communism in the cold war and spreading prosperity through the Global Adoption of capitalism, small examples. They want us to believe america has always stood for oppression and hatred. Now, of course this country isnt perfect. No country is or ever has been, but can question we stop with the selfdenunciation and the calls for reeducation . Cant we just acknowledge that what so Many Americans fought and died for over the centuries was, indeed, the most precious thing imaginable, the life to live in genuine freedom and pursue this nations enduring ideals. Thats it for us this week. Be sure to follow me on twitter, facebook and ins gram, and ill be back next week with more indepth interviews here on the wall street journal at large. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to barrons round talking about where we get behind the headlines and prepare you for the week ahead. Im jack howe in for jack otter. Ill try not to break anything important. Coming up, how the president ial election could affect your portfolio. Our predictions you dont want to miss. But we begin with what we think are the three most important things investors should be thinking about right now. The dollar is falling and gold is rising. Whats behind those moves, will they continue and what