President trump ultimately firing the man hat taken prosecutor yesterday after he refused to voluntarily step down. Ag barr and his relationship with the president and more as we look ahead on sunday morning futures. Fallout today after violence erupt inned the seattle protest zone, largely abandoned by police. One person was shot and killed on saturday, another critically injured. We begin my exclusive interview with attorney general william barr with this and the challenges that now face Police Across america. What a moment were living in right now. Weve got a once vibrant town in seattle, residential and business town being taken over. Now called the capitol hill organized protest or chop or chaz, capitol hill autonomous zone. In minneapolis, demonstrators hurling bricks at cops and setting buildings on fire and peaceful and not so peaceful protests as a result of the death of george floyd. As the number one Law Enforcement individual in the country, what are you going to do to bring law and order back . Well, all these situations really involve two dimensions of the rule of law. One is the individual case thats precipitated the demonstrations and so forth. Its the job of the department of justice to mete out justice fairly and evenhandedly in that particular case and not be influenced by the mob. The second aspect is these demonstrations, which are fine. Protests and demonstrations are fine. When they become mob violence, we need to restore order. We cant be ruled by mobs. Very to be ruled by the legal process. In this particular situation, theres obviously legitimate demonstrators out there raising concerns about police abuse. But a lot of these demonstrations have been hijacked by essentially a anarchistic groups and professional agitators who are in it for the violence and the confrontation. So i do make a distinction between legitimate peaceful demonstrators and these violent agitators who are involved throughout the country. Maria well, they took over an area in seattle and theyre guarding it with guns. They tried to do it in portland as well. Does the federal government have a responsibility to protect citizens of our country if the cities and states wont do it . Because peoples property have been damaged. There are people who dont want this autonomous area in seattle around their home. Right. Well, in the first instance, its the responsibility obviously of the local officials and then the state officials to protect the rights of their citizens. At the end of the day, the federal government does have a responsibility to make sure that citizens are not deprived of their federal rates. Maria so will you challenge that autonomous city . Will you sue the mayor . What can you do . Well, i dont want to get into specifics but were obviously keeping an eye on it and as the president said in due course we may have to do something about it. But we cant let it go on indefinitely. Maria its also sparked calls to defund the police. Ilhan omar said that the Minneapolis Police department is, quote, rotten to the root. What is the impact of this pushback on Law Enforcement . Are you worried about resignations, the cops walking off the job . Yes. I mean, even before this happened i was speaking out about how the job of being a policeman in the United States these days is the toughest job in the United States. Theyre under a lot of pressure. I was concerned even before these pressures that we were having difficulty maintain the levels of police we need in our cities, retaining them. And obviously this environment where theyre demonized will deter a lot of people from continuing to serve as police and also im concerned of the effect that they may pull back some of their enforcement activities and not take those risks so i think it could lead as its led in other situations to an actual increase in Violent Crime and more deaths. You know, i understand an event like minneapolis and why it struck such a cord in the africanamerican community. There has been longstanding distrust of Law Enforcement and that partly comes out of the fact that for much of our history our laws were explicitly discriminatory. And for the past few decades, weve been reforming our of institutions to make sure they reflect our values and the police have been engaged in than we shouldnt let this incident and the actions of a bad few obscure the fact that the police made a lot of progress. Instances of the shooting of black unarmed males has been dropping. It was 38 five years ago, last year it was 10. 10 in the nation. And six of those were involved in attacking the Police Officer at the time they were shot. So while any death is too many, the fact is that in proportion, its relatively small. I mean, there are 8,000 roughly 8,000 homicides of africanamericans in our country every year. 8,000. 10 last year were due to force by shooting an unarmed black male. We have to keep that in perspective. We also have to keep in perspective that the Police Forces are much more diverse, the leadership of the police is much more diverse. They are committed to reform. Community policing has taken hold around the country. And that reform has to continue and what we have to do is bring out of these episodes, minneapolis, something thats good and that is it will galvanize the public will to continue the process of reform. It has to be fair reform to the police. Maria should the police have qualified immunity . Yes, i thin generally in oury immunity used to be absolute. They dropped it down to qualified to permit some lawsuits in egregious cases. Without qualified immunity i think most people would not take the job as a Police Officer. So we would essentially be doing away from our Police Department away with our Police Department. Maria what are the implications of collective barge anybody, there was an op ed in the journal, talking about the Police Unions and how its getting in the way of actual reform. I think it largely depends on the unions and its hard to generalize. But i do think that Police Unions have an Important Role to play and i do think that Police Management has to be able to get rid of bad apples. But by the same tokeen, i think there has to be due process. One of the things thats bothered democratic senator once used the expression, i thought it was actually a good one, that being the attorney general is like being the sheriff of one of these old western movies when the mob shows up at the jailhouse door, youre standing in front of the jail and sometimes that mob wants to hang the person, and sometimes they want to spring the person. And its the job of the attorney general not to be influenced by the mob but try to do justice in that particular case and i think police are at risk sometimes when some event like this happens of or we have to make special effort to make sure that they get due process. And the unions do play a role in that. Maria coming up, more of my exclusive interview with attorney general william barr, whether he thinks racism is systemic in america and his reaction to the latest claims of anticonservative bias among Technology Companies, the dojs proposal on social media coming up next. To make up. 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Did that case merit murder charges or is that officer being lumped in with the upset over george floyd . Well, because i might be called upon as attorney general to pass judgment on that case, under civil rights laws, i dont want to get into the specifics of it. But i certainly would have liked to have seen the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Complete their investigation before charges were brought. Also, the use of a grand jury. The grand jury process pro sides some protection to have citizens in a group decide that theres been a crime committed and there was no grand jury used in this case. I think its important to go through the right processes before charging someone. I also think there was fundamental difference obviously between what happened in atlanta and what happened in minneapolis. Essentially kneeling on someones neck for almost nine minutes who was already incapacitated. Maria very upsetting stories. Do you think that there is systemic racism in this country . No, i dont think theres systemic well, i do think theres racism in the country. Now, systemic in terms of the Law Enforcement and the police agencies, i dont think there is systemic Law Enforcement in those agencies. I think there may be individuals and there are individuals who may have bias and sometimes that may emerge and be map fested in some act manifested in some act but i dont think its systemic. Maria i ask because theres bad cops and theres a system that maybe has things that are built into it that should be looked at, for example, if a white kid gets caught under age drinking, the parents are going to do anything they can to avoid that conviction on the kids record that will follow him and hell carry the rest of his life. So theyll do diversion program, diversion program. Are we offering the same diversion programs to blacks and whites . In some jurisdictions, yes. In some, probably not as much as we should. As i said, this is a process of reforming our institutions, looking for inequities and making sure we address them. Maria let me move on to freedom of speech on what just took place. The doj planning to roll back the Legal Protections, the monopoly Legal Protections that Technology Companies enjoy. What prompted this . So the basic idea is that if youre acting as essentially a Bulletin Board and open to all comers and third parties can post their content on their website and youre not being selective about it, its open to all comers, you shouldnt be deemed a publisher. We want to encourage that kind of forum for third party views. That ran into problems because we wanted to encourage during the early days of the internet, we wanted to encourage platforms to take off obscene material or harassing material or other kinds of offensive material like that. What we said was in the law, section 230, if you take that down, that doesnt make you a publisher. If you take down objectionable material like that. Unfortunately, they started taking down viewpoints and started really being selective and based on whether they agreed with the vie pont or not viewpoint or not taking it down. And that should make them a publisher. They said under section 230 they werent. Thats one of the problems arising under section 230. We proposed a change to address that. What we said is you can take down stuff that is unlawful and you can take down stuff thats not does not accord with your terms of service but you have to make your terms of service clear. Have you to have a reasonably based reason for taking down the particular content and show that it violated your terms of service and you need to give someone notice and process whereby they can dispute that. Maria google did select federalist, zero hedge and tried to cut off their advertising revenue. Senator tom cotton also told me that he got a call from someone at twitter who said take down your tweet immediately about the police needing the military to back them up. Otherwise, were deleting your account entirely. Right. Theres something very disturbing about whats going on. To some extent, there was a bait and switch over the past couple decades. These Companies Held themselves out as open to all comers. Thats how they built up all their membership and networks, saying, you know, we have a wide variety of views. People can come in and post their views and their positions and their statements. And thats what led to people joining it and get the strong market position they have. Then they switched. Now theyre being more selective and theyre starting to censor different viewpoints. But you have this concentration of these very Large Companies that had that kind of influence on the sharing of information and viewpoints in our society. And that is a fundamental problem because our republic was founded on the idea and whole rational was that there would be a lot of diversity of voices and it would be hard for someone to to be able to galvanize a big faction in the United States that could dominate politically and oppress a minority. Yet now we have with the internet and with these big concentrations of power the ability to do just that, to quickly galvanize peoples views because theyre only presenting one viewpoint and they can push the public in a particular direction very quickly and our whole constitution and system was based on not having that and having a wide diversity of voices. So one way this can be addressed is through the antitrust laws and challenging companies that engage in monopolies. Maria coming up, election 2020, the issues that concern ag bill barr the most, he will fill us in when my exclusive intervieieieie where will you go first . 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The attorney general spoke with me about the november election including his concerns about voter fraud. Devin nunes says there is not a more important issue than this issue. The American People are being censored, information flowing to the American People is being censored. Are you worried about this going into the election. Im worried about censor censorship. Im worried about a lot of things. One, the censorship of robust debate. Im worried about undermining the Public Confidence and integrity of the elections. The thing we have going for us, especially with Intense Division in the country, is we have peaceful transfers of power and the way of resolving it is to have an election. When governments, state governments start adopting these practices like mailin ballots that open the floodgates of potential fraud, then peoples confidence in the outcome of the election is going to be undermined. And that could take the country to a very dark place if we lose confidence in the outcomes of our elections. So that, the censorship, the censorship has a number of effects. It also free speech, being able to get your viewpoint out is a release. It takes some of the pressure ought. Iout. If people are prevented from expressing their views thats when you start getting extremism. The more ventilating of viewpoints we have, the healthier it is for our country. Maria theres a big discussion about mailin voting. Hillary clinton said its fine, its fair. It absolutely opens the floodgate for fraud. A lot of states have you signing the outside of the envelope so the person who opens the envelope will know how people voted. Theres no right now, a foreign country could print up tens of thousands of counterfeit ballots and be very hard for us to detect which was the right and which was the wrong ballot. I think it can it can upset and undercut the confidence in the integrity of our elections. If anything, we should tighten them up right now. Maria senator holly has a bill to give americans the right to sue Technology Companies like facebook, google, twitter, if they enforce terms unfairly. Should people have the right to sue these companies . I think there should be more control on how they use data, how they use personal data, and give consumers the right to sue the companies if its used improperly and not according to the terms of service or they dont fully disclose, theyre not transparent about it. Maria i know that you do not pursue this position and in your confirmation hearing you said you ultimately came back to restore confidence in the system. So i want to ask you how we do that. Because we are deeply divided in this country. We know that and it does look like there are two standards of justice. You go back to 2016 and there were two investigations going on, one into Hillary Clintons. Mail use and one into donald trump and collusion with russia. We know officially there was no collusion. With the Hillary Clinton investigation, jim comey was told by your predecessor, Loretta Lynch, to call it a matter, not an investigation. Bill clinton met Loretta Lynch on a tarmac three days before hillary was to talk to the fbi. How do you explain that to someone who wants to believe theres fairness in this country. I do believe there were two standards of justice during a period of time toward the end of the Obama Administration. And all i can do about it is apply one standard of justice, the right standard of justice and make sure we apply it to everything equally everybody equally. Thats what im trying to do. Maria are you looking again, then, at what took place with the Hillary Clinton investigation . I dont want to get into any particular investigation right now. Maria why did the doj charge general Michael Flynn with false statements yet did not charge jim comey and Andrew Mccabe with the same charge . Again, all i can say again, i dont want to discuss the details of any particular case but criminal case but all i can say is that we are trying to apply the same standard to everybody. And as you know, we have sought to dismiss the charges against general flynn. Maria what do you make of what judge sullivan is doing . Hes pushing back on that, obviously. Well, as ive said, you know, we disadegre disagree wits doing. We think the law is clear that it is within the discretion of the executive, its the executive branchs function and the attorney generals function to make charging decisions and to determine whether to continue on a case and the judge is supposed to be a neutral judge on the case, not the not exercise the prosecutors function. So were hopeful that the case will be dismissed. We think thats what the law requires. Maria much more with attorney general bill barr coming up including the very latest update on u. S. 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So am i to believe that if we dont get the results of the john durham investigation before the election and donald trump loses, we wont hear another word about this . First, i agree with you, its been stunning that all weve gotten from the Mainstream Media is sort of bovine silence in the face of the complete collapse of the socalled russiagate scandal which they did all they could to sensationalize and drive and its like not even whoops, theyre just onto the next false scandal. So that has been surprising to me, that people arent concerned about Civil Liberties and the integrity of our governmental process. In terms of the future of durhams investigation, hes pressing ahead as hard as he can and i expect that we will have some developments, hopefully before the end of the summer, but as i said, his investigation will continue. Its not going to stop because of the election. What happens after the election may depend on who wins the election. Maria has he been delayed because of the covid19 pandemic . There has been delay because of the pandemic, yes, there has. Maria and inability to interview people . Yes. Not an inability but distinct slowing down of that process. Maria because you cant gather a grand jury . Well, i dont want to suggest there has been or is a grand jury but it is a fact that there have not been grand juries in virtually all districts for a long period of time and also people had been reluctant to travel for interviews and things like that. So it has slowed things down. But theres hes been working where he can on other matters that arent affected by the pandemic but there has been an effect. Maria a source said to me a couple years ago, speaking of the russia collusion story, that this was the closest the United States ever game to a coup to take down a president since the assassination of lincoln. Is that an appropriate statement . In this sense, i think it is the closest we have come to an organized effort to push a president out of office. Maria and it continues. You know, im not reaching a judgment as to what the motivations there were. Maria can you tell us anything about how this all started . This is not just an american citizen, this was a man running for president and this was a person who got elected to become the president. And the fbi thought it was a good idea to launch an investigation into donald trump and potential collusion. Why . You know, i guess i dont want to talk about that, some of it may become evident as more facts are disclosed. But i think there is probably a range of motives for different people. Maria but is there any evidence that in fact it was appropriate to launch an investigation other than a conversation in a bar. I know that George Papadopoulos had a conversation in a bar. That is the official version of what happened, that comment in a london wine bar was what the basis really was for going forward. And ive said that i thought that that was a very slender read to get Law Enforcement intelligence agencies involved in investigating the campaign of ones political opponent. Maria Lindsey Graham told us that four fbi case agents talked to the russian subsource. In other words, the person who compiled some of the information in the dossier. And that subsource told those agents that it was just bar talk, that it wasnt true, that we didnt really buy it anyway. Did those case agents tell their superiors that . Again, i dont want to get into the details because those are the kinds of things were looking at, but that is laid out to some extent in the igs report, that in january 2017 and in march 2017 they talked to the primary subsource who was the sole conduit for this information that made up the dossier. And as ive said, the dossier pretty much collapsed at that point. And yet they continued to use it as a basis for pursuing this Counter Intelligence investigation. Maria so does it sound like jim comey and Andrew Mccabe knew that the dossier had collapsed in january of 2017 . I dont want to discuss that aspect of it. Maria okay. What about the leaks . Senator ron johnson is investigating the transition from the Obama Administration to the Trump Administration and he told us that in the first 126 days, there were 125 leaks. And compare that to obamas 126 days, there were eight leaks. Bush, there were nine leaks. Whats the situation with the leak investigation . Do you expect that we will see indictments for those who leaked classified information . Is that a felony . Leaking National Defense information, unauthorized disclosure of that information is a felony. I have tried to strengthen our efforts to investigate leaks. Theyre very difficult to investigate. Especially where a lot of people had access to the information. And because at the end of the day you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a particular person who did it and also because the news organizations dont cooperate in those investigations, obviously. But we are pursuing leaks aggressively where we think theres a realistic possibility that we could find out who it is. So we have a lot of leak investigations underway. And if we get the evidence thats necessary, well prosecute them. Maria so i know that the fbi said that they started a Counter Intelligence investigation into the Trump Campaign in july of 2016. But theres a lot of activity before that and in april of 2016 people arranged for George Papadopoulos to meet with Joseph Mifsud. Has Joseph Mifsud worked with western intelligence before . I cant get into that. Maria i ask because we talked about that bar conversation between papadopoulos and someone else and you have to wonder was that conversation organic or was that conversation and the content of what papadopoulos said planted on him . I understand why people why it is important to try to determine whether there was any activity before july, before the papadopoulos wine bar conversation. I understand that. And so people are looking at that. Its significant also that the dossier was initiated before july. Maria Rick Grinnell calls the transition period key. What can you tell us about the transition period that we need to understand better . Well, it depends on what the motivations were and why they were looking at it but it is i would say its unusual for an outgoing administration, high level officials to be unmasking very much in the days theyre preparing to leave office. Makes you wonder what they were doing. Maria how do these senate testimonies help the doj . Well, theyre not the doj and congress have separate roles to play. Doj, we are looking at whether or not theres been any criminal activity and investigating and i think congress is interested in sort of finding out what happened and disclosing it to the public. So there are different functions that are being performed. I dont think that those are conducted to help the doj. We do our own investigations. Maria coming up, ag barr reacts to john bolton, the national the former National Security advisor and the release of his member mother. Thats come member other. At mercedesbenz, nothing less than worldclass service will do. Thats why were expanding your range of choices. Many dealers now offer optional pickup delivery and athome maintenance, as well as Online Shopping with Home Delivery and special finance arrangements. So, whether you visit your local dealer or prefer the comfort of home you can count on the very highest level of service. 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I dont think its too late because what were asking is for him to complete the process before the book is published, complete the process of taking out classified material. And in our view, there remains very highly classified material in the book. Still. And we would like him to address that and so under the law we are bringing a civil action to enforce his agreement that he would do that before publishing. The remedy if he doesnt complete it is that he forfeits any money from that book to the government. Maria how did you get involved . Did the president ask you to get involved in this . No, actually he didnt. This would have been in the normal course. The process is run through the National Security council, called prepublication review for any book. And as that wasnt completed, the National Security council contacted us. So thats initially how the doj got involved. Maria how often do you speak to the president . I would say very regularly. [ laughter ] maria are you doing his bidding . Im enforcing the law and as i said when i was confirmed, anything within the four walls of the department of justice, any matter is going to be handled strictly on the laws, the law and the facts. Its going to be reflecting our independent judgment of what the law requires. Maria let me move on to china. This is a subject that our of audience cares about very much and the doj has been efforting to crack down on chinese espionage. Can you tell me a bit about what the ccp is doing . I know theres been a real rethinking of the relationship between the United States and china. The way i look at is, this is fundamental challenge to the United States. Since the late 19th century, our opportunity and our growth, our prosperity as a country has come from our technological leadership. Weve been the technological leader of the world. In the last decade or so, china has been putting on a great push to supplant us explicitly. They want to be the leader in all the future technologies that are going to to dominate the economy. So whats at stake is the Economic Opportunity of our children and our grandchildren. Whether we can continue to be the technological leader of the world. The chinese have embarked on a very Aggressive Program during this time of stealing and cheating in order to overtake us. Theyve stolen our intellectual property. When they steal our secrets about future technology, theyre stealing the future of the American People. If they start leading in some of these fundamental foundational technologies like 5g which will be the platform of much of our future manufacturing in the United States, they will have tremendous leverage over the United States. If all our industrial practices and manufacturing practices are built on a platform they dominate, they will have ultimate leverage over the west. So i think this is a competition for the future. They havent been competing fairly and the president has confronted this when no one else has and the American Business community has been a big part of the problem because theyre willing, ultimately many of them, to sacrifice the longterm viability of their companies for shortterm profit. So they can get their Stock Options and move into the gulf resort. Thats whats driving some of this. Theyre not taking the longterm view and the National View of maintaining the american strength. Maria i was talking with one money manager the other day and he said, look, maria, im not going to call good guys and bad guys. Its not my role to call out good guys and bad guys. So, yeah, the growth is in china and thats where i want to invest. Well, you know what, were not speaking german today because the American Business in the past didnt think that way. They stood with the United States. And all the privileges and the benefits and the stability and the rule of law and the ability to profit as they do, both as companies and individuals, comes from the strength of this country. Maria so shoul it be a law f you are working under a grant, a United States grant, at a university, youre not allowed to take money from the Chinese Communist party . We are clearly cracking down on researchers and others that are sent over here to get involved in our key technological programs. By the way, this is not just weapon systems. This is agriculture. This is medicine. This is robotics. This is Artificial Intelligence and so forth. Its the whole gamut of important technologies going forward. Maria so are they seeking out people like the chairman of the Chemistry Department at harvard to try to get those people to work with them . Are they seeking people out . Chinese efforts run the gamut from more traditional espionage of recruiting people to work for them, explicitly, to cultivating relationships that then they are able to use and the people frequently are not completely atune to the fact that they are being used. As essentially stooges for the chinese. So it runs the gamut of things. Sometimes some of these programs highsounding programs are used to the advantage of the chinese. So the American Business community, we need their understanding of the nature of the problem right now. Maria coming up, we have breaking news about huawei, attorney general bill barr as china seeks to expand its influence on the global economy. How congress could get involved to ramp up pressure on huawei and the communistw . W . Uhiono maria breaking news, i have learned that the senate is considering a proposal for the u. S. Government to acquire a Minority Stake in Telecom Companies nokia and erickson. In a Senate Briefing the proposal was made for a 10 billion acquisition of erickson and nokia with the u. S. Representing 2 to 3 billion. I asked the ag about that. So what about the huawei threat . We know that there are back doors in some cases where data in the huawei infrastructure goes back to the Chinese Communist party. We talked about that a lot. Is that true . Yes. Maria would the u. S. Consider acquiring i would say theres certainly the capacity to do that i and a very high risk of that. Maria would the u. S. Consider acquiring erickson and nokia to send a message to the world that if you use erickson and nokia youve got the backing of the United States government, as an alternative to huawei. I gave a speech a while back saying that the two Companies Best position to compete with huawei are erickson and nokia. But unlike Huawei Huawei has the backing of the Chinese Government and all the Chinese Government money. Just to give you an example, for 5g network facilities, the total global Addressable Market is probably around 90 billion and the Chinese Government set up a fund of over 100 billion to subsidize it. So they can go to countries and say well put this in cashfree, very cheap money. So thats what were competing against with huawei. And Companies Like erickson and nokia are the strongest western competitors in this sector and i gave a speech saying that ultimately the west has to rally around these companies. Whether that means private ownership or state involvement. Maria so you would be okay taking a stake even if its a Minority Stake in these companies to offset the threat of huawei then . Thats not a decision for the justice department. I do think that the west has to pick a horse or horses. Maria is china using this covid19 pandemic to gain leverage and gain territory . We know that the ccp is overreaching in hong kong and militaryizing the south china sea. Im concerned that they might think that we are sufficiently distracted by covid that we wont be able to respond and im concerned they may think the current environment is one in which they can push the envelope somewhat and take advantage of it. Maria whats most important in terms of protecting u. S. National security . First i think protecting american technological leadership, as ive discussed. And i would also say thwarting their espionage and influence activities are the most important things we can do. And also through international partners, press the chinese to play by the rules, play by the rules of the road, which they havent done. 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