And open a successful jury consulting business, and then came the lifechanging client, one Oprah Winfrey, who was being sued by the cattle industry. I said, these ol boys are gettin ready to hand you your ass on a platter. You need to wake up, girl, and come present here, because theyre after you. Levin phil became oprahs goto expert, and her ratings soared even higher. So why not give him his own show . When that happened, was there competiveness between you and oprah . Levin dr. Phil mcgraw, the man who turned the oprah seal of approval into a media empire of his own. Dr. Phil how are you . It is so good to see you. Thank you so much for this. Welcome. Welcome to our home. Uh, this home is incredible. It is palatial. Thank you. Robin is quite the decorator. Okay, so let me tell you what were gonna do. All right. I want to learn about your life. Ive read a lot about you, but i want to hear it from you, because there are twists and turns. There are. You ready . Ill answer anything you want to know. Ill be like the therapist in this one. Okay, i need it. All right. Lets do it. Lets do it. So, tell me what this is. Well, this isuh, this is a pilot log book. And this is from you see it says its from cooks flying service . Yep. this is a little town called iowa park, texas. And i got my pilots license there. How old . I was 18. But you had been flying since 12. Well, i had. My dad sold drilling bits and that sort of thing. He would put it in the back of an airplane and fly it into the rocky mountains. And so i was flying when i was 11. And when i say im flying, hes letting me hold on, but you learn. I wanna take you back to your childhood. And having read a lot about you now, i feel like i see this small town with tumbleweed all over the streets. chuckles yeah, thats pretty much it. Tell me about it. Well, you know, we were poor. I was born in vinita, oklahoma, but we spent most of our lives in texas. And the truth is, my dad was a pretty bad alcoholic. And, so, we never knew if we were gonna have money for food. We never knew if the electricity was gonna be on that day or whether it wasnt. You know what one of my favorite dr. Phil lines is . Whats that . Can ican i do a dr. Phil impression . Lets see it. texas drawl we were so poor, we couldnt even pay attention. There you go. Thats it. laughs thats pretty bad. Ill do better in a few minutes. I grew up with a father that was drunk. I grew up when i wouldnt bring my friends home cause i didnt know if my dad was gonna be drunk in the driveway, naked, in denver, in january. You mentioned your dad was an alcoholic. There were episodes of violence between the two of you. Thats pretty extreme. Yeah, um. clears throat he was an animated drunk. chuckles he, uh some are kind of quiet or they go off and whatever. My dad was a big powerful guy. And, um, we would have conflict. The kind of thing where he would get drunk and tear the venting hood off the out of the kitchen and throw it through the windows. It was that kind of thing. And when you live with that, it changes who you are, you know . I mean, youre a kid, you see violence between he and your mother, and you see all of that kind of thing and youre the only boy in the familyi had Three Sisters and a mother. And when dad spools up like that, and youre the only boy in the house, you stand in the gap, right . You step in to protect the women. And that led to a lot of conflict. Howd that affect you . Again, i got to the point of realizing, uh, you, um, you rely on yourself. Levin your dad was a big influence in your life. phil he was. Both negative and positive. And negative in that he was a bad alcoholic and i havent had a drink in 50 years, cause i saw what it does and i just i dont do it. He was also the hardestworking man ive ever seen in my life. He was a trojan. I mean, there was nothing the guy would not do. And he gave me a tremendous work ethic. And i really thank him for that. I learned if you want something, you work for it. Nobodys gonna give you anything. Levin you were an athlete. You were on the Football Team . Phil i was. levin my understanding is, you may not have even graduated high school if it werent for sports. Not a chance would i have graduated. Levin so football, in many ways, is why youre here today. Phil i certainly wouldnt have graduated high school, i can tell you that. You were a middle linebacker. chuckles yeah. Worst job ive ever had. Let me tell you, ive had some bleep jobs giggles thats at the top of the list. Because . Well, i was a middle linebacker and i was a really poor one. Its a hard job anyway because you get hit every play. Exactly. If youre not very good at it, its a really hard job. Theres a tendency for those who mix psychology and religion, who know just enough to be dangerous, to use psychology as a weapon to judge. You, in many ways, got interested in psychology because of football. When you guys lost to, um, the Salvation Army team. Thats it. And, um. You started thinking that there is a psychology of success on these teams. Boy, you have done your homework. Phil we had a really good team and we had really good equipment and we had really good coaches, and i mean shiny helmets and the Salvation Army had a team these kidsi mean theyre falling out of the back of these pickups. Blue jeans instead of football pants. Loafers. Just slipon shoes. And none of their helmets matched. I mean, they just looked like ragtag. Harvey, they beat us so bad, i cant even tell you how bad they beat us. It waswe were watching them run up and down the field, it looked like a track meet. laughs those guys wanted it. Those guys had the eye of the tiger. They wanted it, man. And i got focused at that point on what makes people a champion. And i got focused on why people do what they do and dont do what they dont do. And i have been focused on that since that day. Thats why im sittin here today. music playing levin tell me what that is. Well, um. Ive seen a gavel or two in my life. My son, jay, gave me this, actually. And this is the actual gavel from the first wrap in the pilot for bull, which is the drama on cbs. Which is really about your life running the jury consulting service. It is. This is inspired by my career as a trial scientist before i did the dr. Phil show. Out of this jury pool, youre gonna get three not guilty votes. Is that right . Yes. Levin you got your degree, why practice with your dad . Because you had a problematic relationship. I did. And it was very important to him. He just had this dream of, you know, father and son, doctor and doctor, workin together. And, you know, frankly, my mother asked me to do it. For you to be fighting and yelling and screaming in front of these kids, they dont deserve that. No, they dont. Absolutely not. And that means the two of you need to grow up and behave yourselves. You, um, talk to millions of people now. But when you practiced, it was oneonone psychology. Did you like it . I was the worst marital therapist in the history of marital therapy. laughs i was absolutely the worst. Honest to god. Why . Because i had no patience for it. I mean, a couple would come in and they would start arguing back and forth and ten minutes in im like, my god, no wonder you people cant get along. Ive been with you ten minutes, i cant stand either one of you. laughing you should definitely get a divorce. You should definitely get a divorce. I cant imagine going home with either one of you people. And i would say that. Oh, my god. What was the divorce rate like . Very high. Very high. I think people came to me to get a divorce. Like, you wanna get rid of this bleep , lets go see dr. Phil. It was dr. Mcgraw back then, not dr. Phil, but. You didnt like whining. Not at all. And people whined. Yeah. Peoplethey dont want to own what they need to own. And they wanna blame somebody else. And i dont have much time for that. Levin the Trial Company you started was courtroom sciences, inc. Csi. Im a lawyer and im fascinated by these services, cause i think, honestly, in the oj simpson case, i think that Trial Company. Won the case for them by the jury they picked. But you said something so interesting. Theres a huge difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively. Explain that, because i think thats profound. Well, you know, heres the thing. I would rather have. A weak fact pattern well told, than a great fact pattern poorly told. In any case, youve got a universe of a thousand facts. And out of those thousand facts, theres a subset of 10 or 12 facts that are gonna be outcome determinative. Thats what the jury is going to resolve this case on. And you have to figure out what those ten facts are. What the combination to that lock is, and you need to present that in a clear, concise, compelling way to that jury. And if you do, theyre gonna bring you home. And if you dont, they wont. Why did you seem to favor representing defendants rather than plaintiffs . I think were way too litigious. And so my kinda heart was just in defending. The targets. Because you think a lot of cases are bogus . Or because you like helping people who go in the underdog . I think a lot of cases are bogus, and i definitely like helping the underdog. Levin you said once, i feel about litigation the way patton did about war. chuckles yeah. Yeah. God help me, i love it so. Your company, csi, was. Insanely successful. And you became rich. You were a poor kid and a rich adult. Did you worry, when you were rich, that you might be poor again . Or was that in your past . No. I dont now. I dont worry about it now because ive done poor. I know how. chuckles it doesnt scare me. I know how to do it. Give me a good pair of tennis shoes and. Ya know, a warm coat. Im good. music playing the way i met oprah, she had been sued in the mad cow case. They were suing for billions of dollars. She was constantly talking to you about why me . I remember one night, i said, ill tell you whats going on here. You need to wake up, girl, and come present here because theyre after you. From anyone else. So why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms which most pills dont. Get allinone allergy relief for 24 hours, with flonase. Which most pills dont. We do things differently and aother money managers, dont understand why. Because our way works great for us but not for your clients. Thats why were a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. So, what do you provide . Cookie cutter portfolios . Nope. We tailor portfolios to our clients needs. 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Whats the significance . Well. Um. As you im sure know, the way i met oprah was at csi. She had been sued in the mad cow case. Levin i think i heard about that. . In amarillo, texas. Male newscaster texas ranchers claim she slammed beef on her show, costing them millions. They said oprah set out to do them wrong. Phil we won a great victory. We zeroed them out. They were suing for billions of dollars. And, uh, i get a package, a box, from oprah. I open it up and theres this little note in there and it says, i just dont know how to say thank you. but i do know how to say yacht. both laugh levin whered you go . phil we picked the boat up i think we picked it up in nice. And we went all up and down the coast over there, and went to capri and the amalfi coast and sainttropez and all over there for a couple of weeks and just had a terrific time. Ten years ago i was accused of saying some bad things about hamburgers. And because of that i was put on trial in texas, and thats how i met phil. Levin she said mad cow disease stopped her cold from eating burgers. When you first heard that and knew that was the basis of the lawsuit, whatd you think . I thought it was an absolute bleep lawsuit. Thought it was absolute frivolous. Thought it was exploitive, opportunistic, and somebody trying to pay. Get their name in the headlines. And trying to bully somebody with money into giving them some of hers. Seriously, though, it was a very vulnerable time for me. And from the moment i met phil, i felt that he was the person who could take the lead and get us out of that hot mess. She was constantly talking to you about why me . Why am i being sued . This is unfair. You had a cometojesus with her. I remember one night, she does knock on my door in the middle of the night. We go into the game room and she said, what the hell is going on here . I cannot wrap my head around this. I said, i tell you whats going on here. These ol boys are getting ready to hand you your ass on a platter. I said, you need to wake up, girl, and come present here because theyre after you. Did she wake up . Did she ever. You did some mock trials and it didnt go well at the beginning. It did not go well in the beginning because oprah was very irritated, annoyed, angry, at being sued. As anyone would be. And she was very hostile. She was not the oprah people see on television. One of the jurors said, why are you mad at us . We didnt sue you. And she looked at me and she said, oh, my god. She talks about light bulb moments. She said that was a light bulb moment. And when it came time for trial, she owned that courtroom. And the difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively, was never more evident than when Oprah Winfrey took the witness stand. Levin you kind of made it a First Amendment freedom of speech case. Toward the end of that closing argument, we posed a question to the jury, what kind of america will you wake up in tomorrow, if you muzzle Oprah Winfrey and take away her right to hold an open debate about something of public concern . And that, i believe, struck a chord and carried the day. Yes cheers levin there was some pressure to settle this case and you were against it. Phil i was. levin thats risky. She had a group of lawyers in chicago that were telling her straight up to settle this case. And she asked me straight up, she said, why would you not settle the case . And i said, because if you dont settle this case, if you take these guys to trial, you take them to verdict. The line at the sue oprah window is gonna get a whole lot shorter. Because if she settles one, shell settle a hundred. You gonna become an atm. Dont do it. Did she continue to call you afterward for advice on other things, too . We talk constantly til today. Yeah, and weve been involved in other cases, weve been involved in other crises but im talking about even personal things. Sure. Does she call you for advice . Sure. Yeah. As you do with any trusted friend. Levin she lives in such a higher level than just about anybody, yet, the way you describe it, she has some of the same insecurities that everybody has. Everybody has insecurities. I think of her more as having sensitivities. That woman cares about people. She has what i call a healthengendering personality. You feel better about you for being around her. music playing you were teased in college for being a hick. There were a lot of people who thought you were abrasive. And there were even producers who felt that she should never have you back again. Well i talked to oprah. She said, oh, i want you to come back and turn up the heat. And a few practical waysith you. Your family can stay healthy. First, hand washing is essential. 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Ive chosen him because he is the person who helped me the most getting through my trial in texas. So this is now 21 years ago. So when you went there for the first time, did you view that as an audition . Phil ive never had any desire to be on television. It wasnt something i was really interested in doing. I was very engaged with what i was doing. I was very happy with what i was doing. Yet, here you are, with the number one show on daytime television where the host, who now bonded with you, says come on a National Platform and lets see what happens. Phil right. And you werent intoxicated by that . No, not really. Levin you were teased in college for being a hick. You have an accent. were you selfconscious . No. No. I wasnt. I get up for it. Anything i do i get up for it. But i dont get i dont get nervous. The first show, um, did not go great. And there were a lot of people who thought you were abrasive. They werent used to it. If you have a need, you find a way to deal with it, dont you . The problem is, that we dont use food, we abuse food. Levin and there were even producers on the show who felt that she should never have you back again. Everybody but you, said, it wont work. Yeah. Thats true. They said it wont work. Did you all know at first everybody told me this wont work. My producers, everybody, said this is not this guy and the audience had a really strong reaction to you, and it wasnt so good. laughter levin did you know that at the time . Uh, no, it did go great. It went great from my perspective. laughs it went great from oprahs perspective. It shocked a lot of people. And a lot of people were like, oh, my god. What did he say . What is he saying . So i talked to oprah and said, seems like some people are back on their heels. What do you think . She said, oh, i want you to come back and turn up the heat. She said, you didnt tell them like it is, the way you do me. You held back. And you turned up the heat. I did. Can i be honest with you . Mmhm. I didnt believe a word you said. I believe you said what you think youre supposed to say. I believe you said what you think the goals are supposed to be, because thats what gettin better means. But what im telling you is you cant change what you dont acknowledge. There have been thousands of experts on the oprah show over 25 years. Um, im going to ask you to be immodest for a minute. Because i think its undeniable. Why do you think you soared higher than all of them . I think its a different voice. I think the whole thing is you have to rise above the noise. Its being distinctly different. And if that distinct difference is positive, then that works. I came on the show and the ratings spiked. And a lot of the mail that came in was about those episodes. And a lot of the transcripts that were ordered were about those episodes and all. A lot of people could have been threatened by that. Oprah just kept pushing me to the forefront. Just kept pushing me to the forefront. Just kept doing everything she could to edify me, instead of her. Shes just shes just that generous in spirit. I thought that what you were offering me was good enough to share with other people. And im really proud that youve been able to do that in a way that has affected millions of people throughout this country and throughout the world. Thank you for saying that. I mean, not ever was there a time that she had an opportunity to advance the dr. Phil brand that she didnt take it, double it, and take it again. I mean, thats just what shes done. To this day. I mean, to this day she still does it. music playing you were enormously successful with oprah. But when you decided to do it on your own, was there competitiveness between you and oprah . Because suddenly youve got these two gigantic shows. And she was the only game in town until you came along. music playing and she was the only game in town until you came along. Music teaching kids and having kids of my own. I didnt realize that having kids would be the hard part. So we planned to start ivf treatments. Now im ready for someone to call me mom. At Northwestern Mutual, our version of Financial Planning helps you live your dreams today. Find a Northwestern Mutual advisor at nm dot com. Than Rheumatoid Arthritis or Psoriatic Arthritis. When considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis or active Psoriatic Arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. It can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. Taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. 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I drive it all the time. Do you drive it to the studio . Iall the time. engine purrs jeez laughs revs engine engine roars revving engine oh, my god. Youre driving down sunset blvd in a convertible 57 chevy that goes 200 miles an hour. Youre not into being inconspicuous, are you . laughs well, see, when youve got a head like a nickel beer. laughs . They can spot you from anywhere. But, uh, youve got to put your hat on so you can hide. Okay, lets talk about the show. So, um, you were enormously successful with oprah. But when you decided to do it on your own somebody said, right before your show aired, hes basically dr. Laura with a mustache, and she failed at tv, so its not gonna work for him. Were you nervous . Well, people ask me, will you miss oprah . Do you think itll make a difference that shes not there . And im like, um, let me think. Uh, were going to eliminate the most clarion voice in the history of television from the equation. Do you think thatll matter . Uh. Yeah. laughs yeah, i think theres a good chance that will matter. Oprah really believed in it. She said this is gonna work and there are reasons why. Was she grooming you . Oh, it was no question. We planned it that way. It was an immediate hit. And you have just been enormously successful. When that happened, was there competitiveness between you and oprah . Because suddenly youve got these two gigantic shows. And she was the only game in town until you came along. Not at all, and ill tell you why. We, uhmy momma didnt raise no fool. And we both agreed when they went out to sell the show that they could never sell it where we were headtohead. Ever. Ever. Was that to protect both of you from human nature . Um, i dont know what it was for her but it was to keep me from getting my ass kicked. laughs their responsibility to support you as an adult is no more than your responsibility to do what they tell you. When youre doing the show, do you view yourself as a talk show host or a psychologist . Uh, neither. I view myself as an educator. Um, cause as i say, theyre teaching tools. And i dont consider what im doing as therapy. But i do think its its educational. Ive been doing tv for a long time, as you have. And i think i have a sense of what makes certain people click. In my opinion, youre a great entertainer. Do you view yourself as an entertainer . Well, i hope so. And ive had people ask me that. Youre not asking it as an insult. Some people do. Im not asking it as an insult. No, thats what i mean. I realize youre not. Some people have said, isnt what you do a lot of entertainment . And i hope so. What i try to do is tell a compelling story. And then resolve it in a way that people can use. My father died without ever one time in my life ever saying he was proud of me. Dont you do that to your boy. Finish this sentence as a boss i am. Demanding. I think when people write in. Are willing to put their lives out there. Get on an airplane, fly all the way out here. Come out there and lay it all out, they deserve our absolute, undivided attention. They deserve for us to have done our homework on their situation. On the research, the history, resources, the whole thing. And i think we should be buttoned up. And we are. music playing when you met robin, she broke up with you because you wouldnt commit. She didnt break up with me. She kicked my dogass to the curb. laughing actions to help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases. Wash your hands. Avoid close contact with people who are sick. Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth. Stay home when you are sick. Cover your cough or sneeze. Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects with household cleaning spray. For more information, visit cdc. Gov covid19. This message brought to you by the National Association of broadcasters and this station. Of broadcasters its more than just fast. It keeps all your devices running smoothly. With builtin security that protects your kids. No matter what theyre up to. It protects your info. And gives you 24 7 peace of mind. That if its connected, its protected. Even that that petcamera thingy. [ whines ] can your internet do that . Xfinity xfi can because its. Simple, easy, awesome. [ barking ] c playing tell me about that. Well, you know, robin and i got married in 1976. Weve been married 41 years. Levin gosh. phil if you can believe that. And when we got married, i said, what do you want to do for a honeymoon . She said, i want to go to the price is right. so youoh, no. So you came to los angeles to go to a game show . Phil seriously, we flew out here and went to the price is right. and im standing in line over here at television city, and we actually got picked. We didnt get on the show. But they, you know, pull certain people levin right. And robin was so energetic, and these were our nametags. Levin when you met robin you dated for four years she broke up with you because you wouldnt commit. She didnt breakup with me. She kicked my dogass to the curb. laughing phil she said youre either in or youre out. Youve had enough time. Youre out. Its like, what am i who am i kidding here . Shes part of my life. And so i said i really can never thank her enough for that wakeup call. Because if i had let her get away, id have never forgiven myself. Levin one of the things that surprised me was something you did for her for your 20th anniversary. Something you wrote for her. I wrote her a book of poems. One for each year that we had been married. And i actually this was the hard part i actually collected pictures from each year. And made her a book. And i called it, the twenty year spin. And gave it to her and she has treasured that greatly. And im not a great poet. But i did like the last one. cause i remember the last one. I said, if life were a garden and i could walk through again, youre the flower i would pick for another 20 year spin. And weve now gone another 20 years. Levin when jay was born, he had a medical problem. And that really impacted you. Each of the boys has had one medical problem that has impacted me as much as anything in my life. And with jay at just four weeks old, he had pyloric stenosis. This valve here where he could not get any nutrition to his stomach. So he had to go into surgery. He could have starved to death. He could have starved to death and any time you put a child under anesthesia at four weeks old, high risk. And i was on staff at that hospital, and the doctors were friends and i was actually able to carry him into the operating room. Oh, you insisted on it, i understand. Myself, yeah. I did. I just wanted to take him in there. How did it change you . I realized, you know, its not just about you anymore. You now have the responsibility of a child. Levin lets talk about jordan for a minute. Howd that happen . Because you had a vasectomy. I did. I got a vasectomy because we agreed we were just gonna have one child. Um, and then, about six years later, we were in this big meeting, she was on the other side of the room, but the ceiling was a parabolic reflector. And i heard her whisper as though she was right in my ear. And i heard her say, i regret ever having agreed to just have one child. And i thought, wow. And, the next morning, i was at the hospital making rounds and our obgyn who had delivered jay, joe miller, i was telling him about this. And, uh, he said, well, you know we can reverse that, right . Im walking into the operating room taking my shirt off. laughs oh, no. No bleep . I walk in taking my shirt off, theyre looking around, going down, looking down here, they smuggled me into the operating room. He does a fourandahalfhour surgery under a microscope, puts it all back together. So, they stand me up and walk me out. This is like weekend at bernies. Oh, my god. They walk me out, i cant move. They pull up in front of my house at, like, 8 30. They get me out of the car, stand me up, he puts a pink wrapped present with baby clothes under one arm, a blue wrapped present of baby clothes under the other arm, stand me at the curb, and blow the horn and pull off and leave me standing there. And i tell her, ive heard what you said in that room and ive had my vasectomy reversed. And she just starts crying, couldnt be happier. They say theres a 5050 chance itll work. Shes pregnant in seven weeks. Way to go. The mcgraw boys can swim. laughs music playing one of the reasons i wanted to do this with you is because im just fascinated that youve succeeded in so many different areas. Youve succeeded in psychology, in jury science, youve succeeded in television, in business. Whats the secret . music playing well, this is fantastic. How often do you play . Uh, every day. Do you, really . Yeah. Whats this . This is an old racket. This was given to me by the mother of my dear friend, bill dawson. Marge dawson played with this racket in tulia, texas, in her senior year. 1938 in tulia, texas. Wow. Can you b can you imagine hitting a ball with that . I its such a small head. Yeah. Can you actually hit a ball with this . Yes. Mardy fish, whos one of the topranked american players, who just retired, has played me with this racket. Did he beat you . Like a drum. laughs okay, i want to talk about rules to live by. Because youre an expert at that. Well see. One of the reasons i wanted to do this with you is because im just fascinated that youve succeeded in so many different areas. Youve succeeded in psychology, in jury science, youve succeeded in television, in business. Whats the secret . Well, you know, for me. Ii think its really a matter of knowing what you want and knowing what youre willing to do to get it. I know what i can do and i know what i cant do. You stay in your lane. I do, i stay in my lane. How do you take losing . Not well. Not well. Do you throw that . No, i dont. Ever . I just come back harder the next time. Until you win . Damn right. Well. laughs you talk about creating your experience a lot. Im not sure i understand what that means. I think you get what you give. I think if you go through life like really negative and a chip on your shoulder and pessimistic thats how you engage the world, youre going to get negative, pessimistic, chiponyourshoulder responses from people. If you go through life where you have an expectation of success, and you have an expectation that people are going to accept what youre offering, then youre so much more likely that youre gonna get that result. I was a person with a damaged truth, so i know that. Like i say, i lived with an alcoholic father. Id go to school knowing that the windows in my kitchen got kicked out last night, that we didnt have any utilities, and im sitting next to a kid and i compare my reality with his social mask. Thats what kids do. And, as a result, you feel second class, and so you generate the results you think you deserve. You dont believe in victims. I dont. I dont. And that doesnt mean that people cant, transiently, be preyed upon. But i tell people that have been molested in their childhood, you have zero responsibility for that happening to you as a child. You have 100 responsibility for what you do about it as an adult. We are the same age, and i have a fear that if i stop working, im gonna drop dead. Do you have a fear like that . I do. I think if anybody loses passion in their life, if theres not something that they feel a purpose for, i think it really takes away a life drive. I think if you dont have a reason to get up tomorrow, if you dont have something that you think is a meaningful contribution to this life, i think your whole purpose, your momentum, your whole drive goes away. And, i you know, im starting to make changes in my life now that anticipate what i know is coming. What is coming . laughs well, i wasnt exactly eye candy when i started television. laughs so, as each day goes by, im looking more and more like an old catchers mitt. So im starting to do things behind the camera. I gotta tell ya, i have really enjoyed this. You are one impressive guy. Thank you so much, dr. Phil. Well, im really flattered that you wanted to do this. Im honored. Well, thank you so much. I am honored, thanks. All right. Harvey levin the objects People Choose to keep in their home define who they are. This is. Im harvey levin. This is a story about the babe ruth of professional wrestling. 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