And Kamala Harris the most dangerous challenger now . What does debate tells about the direction of the Democratic Party as it gears up to take on President Trump next year . Well discuss this with the finest minds in Democratic Party politics. But first i want to say is worth noticing there were two very different debates this week. The first and was it was a sober affair. Policy heavy as candidates led by Elizabeth Warren, dug politely into the issues, economy, immigration and healthcare. But at the first was a little like a policy seminar in a classroom for leftwing intellectuals, the second of those was more like a brawl than a student the tone, noisy and combative, was set early on. It was a senator from california that immediately seized the opportunity to shine. Senator harris [multiple speakers] we will let you all speak. Senator harris. Hey, guys you know what . America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how we will put food on their table. Gerry commentators quickly agreed that senator harris was indeed the winner on thursday. And perhaps the most memorable moment of the past and tonight she went to the front runner, mr. Biden in a very personal way over his past statements defending his work with segregationists senators. It is hurtful. To hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on segregation of race in this country. He also worked with them to oppose busing. And there was a little girl in california who is part of the second class to integrate her Public School and she was bussed to school every day. That little girl was made. A miscarriage ration my position across the board. I did not praise racist, is not true. Gerry the other main candidates had mixed performances. In such a big field Bernie Sanders lacked the punch that he had last time when he was challenging hillary clinton. Pete buttigieg was neatly penitent over some racial issues involving the police force in south bend where his mayor and in the more policy heavy first night senator Elizabeth Warren stood out as expected with her command of the issues. What are the parties experts think . With me not to talk about all this, the debate and what the future holds for the Democratic Party is robert barnett. He has his distinguished political resume doing debate proverb democratic hopeful since jimmy carters campaign in 1976 but also partner every law firm, williams and connelly. Hes joining me now. Thank you for being here. Thank you. They say Kamala Harris was the winner and joe biden the loser, do you have any reason to differ . Is only think Kamala Harris did an excellent job. She had a leadership moment when she talked about food fights versus food on the table. She had a passionate explanation about her own history in which she believes she is to be complemented and congratulated. I think that those in the 24 hours after the debate, for being as critical as they are of joe biden are making a mistake. Joe biden has had decades of service to this country. Has been a leader on these issues. When you have got 30, 35 and one poll, 38 percent. Even if your little slippage it is still good at a 24 candidate field. I recall 1984. Im sure that you do too. Ronald reagan in the first debate was found wandering up highway 101 in california in the wall street journal, there were an article about his mental state on the front page. But with one memorable line in the second debate, i will not take advantage of my opponents youth and experience pit he turned it around and was elected. I think we make a mistake jumping to conclusions. This is a distance race, not a sprint. There will be 12 of these and people will be up, people will be down. It was certainly a great night for Kamala Harris. Lets not forget if i may, wednesday, he mentioned Elizabeth Warren did a wonderful job with her mastery. Of policy and her command and her leadership and so, even though it was washed up by thursday, wednesday night is to be remembered. Gerry it does look a little bit i take your point, but it does look a little for joe biden he lost the campaign, looks like it kind of peaked on opening day. Hes had a number of missteps. This week was not a good one. What does he need to do to get things back on track . I think you have many opportunities to address the issue that he addressed on thursday night. We will see how he addresses them and people make a judgment. Again, i am not not that youre doing this but its a big mistake to write off anybody except the kind of unknowns that did not become known at this point. I think theres no question that joe biden will remain in the next debate. The next debate and the next debate. Each one of those will be two hours or four hours depending on how many people are left. Theres plenty of opportunity for things to change. Joe biden, as Kamala Harris said, in her postdebate interviews, is an admirable public servant. Gerry weaves to part the president did not go off to donald trump as much . They certainly indicated. I was surprised. I thought there will be more of that. When you commit to one of these debates, and i did multicandidate debates, anyway did multicandidate debates in 16. He should have to have a strategy and a plan. Some people there were completely unknown and really their only strategy was to get normal repair there were other people who are in lanes and they decided they would try to take up people in their lanes. There are other people who simply would have come i would have thought, more taken it to the president because he wanted them, if they are known, that they have the ability to do that. It is early. I think there will be more of the i think i was surprised there wasnt more of it. Gerry and policies. People had well worked out detailed policies whether you like them or not. Not so much about values. Do you think that is something a party needs to reconsider . When i am involved in debate prep i have a lot of rules that i advocate. Some are accepted and some are not depending on the willingness of the candidate. One is that is generally best not to mention legislation. And it certainly is best not to mention the section number of the legislation. There was a bit too much of that. Certainly, you have to have plans and i prefer not to call them plans. I prefer to call them policies and ideas and solutions. I think those are generally better words. Nothing bad about that but i hope as the debates continue there will be more discussion about what the democrats and the candidates stand for. I was taken by, and i am biased, i am a democrat. Frankly, i admit to that. But i was taken by the fact that this was a group of thoughtful, civilized, intelligent people. Agree with them or not. And a contrast that for instance, with the 2016 republican debates where there was namecalling, belittling and derangement and i thought there was a big difference. I will make one other point if i may. Gerry yes, quickly. I think what i call is the tableau is important. One person of color and one woman. You had diversity up there. Age, race, sex, on and on. I was proud of that. Gerry let me quickly because we have to wrap up. Ask you, do you think though that the party is a pretty Progressive Party. A much more Progressive Party than the democratic seems in the last 30 years or so. As is that the right thing . You have early primary debates, you have a difficult situation in the following sense. You wont get anywhere if you do not get the nomination. Andy will get the nomination unless you get to the activist many of whom are liberal pit on the other hand you have to keep your eye on the ball and realize things that you say will be 32nd commercials in the general. That is a terribly difficult situation to balance. Each candidate it does it different. Some do it better than others but the factory mention is a very important one, as we look to long haul. Which is november 2020. Gerry thank you, terrific. I have to wrap it there. Just ahead with the first debate now behind us, what comes next . I will ask two democratic strategists what they are seeing. Dont go away. Look limu. A civilian buying a new car. Lets go. Limus right. Liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Oh. Yeah, ive been a customer for years. Huh. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Calyoure gonna love this. Rs. New coppertone sport clear. 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If you recall Kamala Harris has some baggage in her background being a former prosecutor, long before the current progressive wave that became en vogue among the Democratic Party. They shall continue to hit those notes clearly everyone gave rave reviews of last night that she will lead into the history with a young black girl in california who benefited from some of the policy that joe biden was at least mushy on if not opposed to. Gerry max, thats a good point. Support among black voters for joe biden has been really strong. His association with president obama helping him there. Is that now vulnerable do you think because the way harris went after him . I think hes incredibly vulnerable. I think we saw last night was so good for harris because she did essentially two important things. One is, she can miss the d c democrats, establishment democrats who may be on the fence about joe biden that maybe its time to switch. The second is, she showed her strength and prosecuting a case in a politician and 40 seconds, joe biden was starting to struggle. And it was a moment if you candidates get in their career. It was great to see. Gerry they got most of the attention. Who else, eric, do you think is kind of standing . It was 20 candidates, two debates. Most did not get a look and. Who is Still Standing . I think sanders reaffirmed his support in position and reminder he is one that brought the party where it is today. Even if time is passing him by for a number of factors including some self conflicted political wounds along the way. I think mayor pete, actually did pretty well. Gerry i think he handled the issue of the Police Department in south bend i think we will see. He recognizes his base is white moderates in the midwest. I think i love the party particular the white progressives, white moderates, have not been able to fully reckon with the past and with the Current Issues facing communities of color. Especially with regards to policing. Gerry so then people talk about the top five still intact. Did anyone break in from outside into the top tier . I think you will not see a ton of movement at the moment. Dad is already sort of in a weakened position is going to struggle a bit more. Bernie i was surprised at how okay but not exceptional his night was. Things that were very exciting and new in 2016 are being said by better communicators like Elizabeth Warren, helene castro and Bernie Sanders is almost getting lost in this trend that he revitalized. Gerry max mentions castro, a strong candidate most people think that. Is there anyone else now, how quickly will we whittle the field down to a more manageable number . I think we have a number of candidates that will have their number in the sun. I think Julian Castro will have that sooner rather than later. He stands out as a young electric candidate and a primary wage will be an issue whether it should be or not. I would also keep an eye out on jay inslee. The governor. Hes the only one that i think is leaning into his executive experience. And really breaks the gender. And the activists will continue to make that a prime issue. If not right now then it will be come the fall. Gerry thank you both. We will be right back. Please stay with us, well look at what the eventual nominee of the party needs to do in order to defeat the incumbent president. Stay with us. Okay, i picked out my dream car. Nows the really fun part. Choosing the color, the wheels, the interior. Everything exactly how i want it. Heres the thing, just because i configured this car online doesnt mean it really exists at a dealership. But with truecar, i get real pricing on actual cars in my area. 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But mayor peter has actually proposed very progressive policies on the environment, criminal justice reform, marijuana policy. In many ways hes the best blend of things because he gives you this midwestern local government experience with an unapologetically Progressive Agenda behind it. Gerry erika, is a sin unapologetically leftwing Democratic Party now . I think moderation is pretty much dead. At least for the primaries. Depending where youre standing progressives are either coming to save you or kill you. I do think that to build off of some of that, it is going to be critical as voters, especially prime voters tune in more and we have a candidate who can really back up these platforms. Which are easy to say but not so easy to explain. That is why think a candidate like Elizabeth Warren has an advantage. She is on the ability to blend this policy and execution and empathy in a really effective message. Whether or not it is enough, we will see. Gerry President Trump will of the spirit progressive leftwing party. It will be socialism versus capitalism. A funny thing is that i hear people say not to move left because it will make them unelectable. After electing most leftwing candidate of the country. Gerry i take the point that there are some populist things of the present stands for things like trade. Not necessarily conservative right wing policies. I just wonder, is a country ready to embrace someone who is going to embrace a really Progressive Agenda . I think we often make a mistake before general election comes up as to what issues your positions are too far left or two for right for electric. I think we learned in 2016, the electorate was further along on some of the issues then we, the pundits were. I think issues Like Health Care for undocumented. I think it is presented in an empathetic way as sort of i think youll see that providing healthcare to them is not really so controversial. Gerry max, the final word. What is the final word . I think a message resonates with seniors that the president is losing. Elizabeth warren is tied with him in texas. They go in the community and point out how donald trump is making you poorer, is the path to the white house. Gerry even with the counter that looks pretty strong. Lowest Unemployment Rate in 50 years. Median wages are rising. Do think that is a powerful message . Yes, the economy is doing extraordinary well if youre a Massive Corporation have a membership at maralago. But if you are in coal country are still waiting for those jobs that donald trump promise. If youre in iowa he is not worried about your soybeans are your corn for starting a trade war thats costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Gerry eric, your final word. It is at the right economic message . Yes, i think donald trump is all talk and no action. Gerry thank you both, eric soufer and max burns. 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Gerry we saw this week the democratic race continues to be a struggle between those on the left of the party who want a more radical approach to taxes, spending, race and other issues. And those in the center the think the way to beat President Trump is with a more moderate line. But the evidence this week is that the very meaning of the terms left and right has been redefined. The center of gravity in the party has clearly shifted to the left. A most revealing moment this week was not processed center harris take of Vice President joe biden. It came when they talked about immigration. Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. [applause] gerry everything a democrat on the stage, left, right and center favored extending publicly funded Healthcare Benefits to people who do not even have a legal right to live in this country. You can argue the merits of this from a legal or humanitarian perspective but consider this. When he traduced obamacare legislation in 2009, president barack obama excluded Illegal Immigrants from eligibility of benefits. In less than a decade, everything a democrat on that stage at least, feels obamacare did not go far enough in more needs to be done to make life more comfortable for Illegal Immigrants. That seems to be where the Democratic Party is. It remains to be seen and we will see next year if it is also where the country is. That is it for us this week. I will be back next week with more indepth interviews right here on the wall street journal at large. Have a wonderful Independence Day holiday and thank you for joining us. Good evening, everybody, im lisa boothe sitting in for lou dobbs tonight. New developments today on the future of hundreds of thousands of young illegals living in the United States. The u. S. Supreme court agreeing to take the case and decide whether or not the Trump Administration can terminate the obama era daca program. 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