President ial campaign . Joining me democratic strategist, Jessica Tarloff and matt. What has happened to her . Why this big slide in New Hampshire . I think there is an honesty and through of the worthiness problem is saying. S have very little to do with their policies which look basically the same as Bernie Sanders since she moved to the left. People are not satisfied with the answers she is giving. They dont like her campaign style. They dont like reporters getting roped off. Trish that is a problem in place like New Hampshire. People want to talk to you facetoface. 100 . She declaredfied she would change her style as we move forward. Well hopefully see more of that. I dont think it will be Bernie Sanders win. Trish she has to start doing it soon. What amazes me, continue with you on this, a state like New Hampshire which i got to tell you, im from there, to be a democrat in New Hampshire, youre still probably pretty fiscally conservative. Right. Trish you know which she is inherently. Trish you compare her with Bernie Sanders, the socialist, and im kind of surprised that he is now, according to the latest polls at 34 compared to her 47 . I mine she should be creaming him. She should be but i think is what i said before ought then tivity. Bernie sanders feels more exciting. He is from your backyard. From the neighboring state. Trish wait, be careful. I would say and i would point out, vermont is extraordinarily different than New Hampshire. Absolutely. Doesnt change the fact that he is exciting person to listen to and hillary is less exciting. Trish yes. I mean i would anticipate that he would do well in vermont. I have to tell everyone i am surprised she is struggling this much in New Hampshire. The likes of Bernie Sanders happens to be doing so well. Matt, your thoughts on this. Does this suggest she has some problems ahead . Yeah. Look, i dont think there is much base enthusiasm for hillary. She is really done the bare minimum this entire campaign. She has done one National Television interview in over 100 days. She is putting out these sort of very nonspecific policy ideas that dont have spending attached to them or very specific plans attached to them. You know, she put her Climate Change plan out yesterday and hopped on private jet and her plan will be Carbon Neutral going forward. If sanders wins New Hampshire there will be panic in hillary land. What is more likely, Bernie Sanders is weakening hillary enough that strong democrat that can beat hillary will get in. Whether Elizabeth Warren or john kerry. Trish she is shaking her head, no way. I dont think so. I think Elizabeth Warren knows and knows well she is in much better position where she is right now. I think she said no enough times that we can trust she will not be jumping into the race. Not that she is not influencing it. Out there all the time. Pushing hillary. Wants answers push people further and further to the progressive left. There is huge Draft Biden Movement going on. I dont think it will be joe biden either. I still think it will be hillary at the end. Day but she has got to change. Trish she won New Hampshire before, matt. Are you surprised the same people arent out there rallying behind her again. A little bit. I think there is a chance there is some clinton fatigue within the Democratic Party or certainly within the liberal base. There is a lot of liberal and progressive activists dont believe obama was far left enough. If you feel that way you dont think Hillary Clinton will be even further to the left than obama. So i think that is a real problem. Trish i think both of you are saying something that is accurate. That is that New Hampshire voters, as well as voters across the country are pretty much fed up with typical washington establishment, right . This is one. Reasons why were seeing donald trump do so well as well. You look at the polling data out of there. There is a new Monmouth University poll coming out of New Hampshire showing trump at 24 , everyone. This is the highest we have seen. He is beating bush by a country mile there, who is coming in at 12 with kasich at seven and walker at seven. So, you know, clearly Bernie Sanders and donald trump are both tapping into something which is this washington establishment fatigue. They represent the opposite. Matt, could we be in a situation where looking at donald trump versus hillary, forgive me, Bernie Sanders . No, i dont think so. I think that is extremely unlikely. Yeah, look, trump is definitely trish that is jessica, not me. Yes, i know. His message is resonating on illegal immigration and perhaps on trade but most of this is because he has gotten walltowall News Coverage for the last month. That is why his polls are rising. Trish you think thats the reason, matt . You think it is media that is contributed to i dont think so. I actually think trish trish i think he is resonating. People like what he is saying. I think it is combination of both, okay . I think it is combination of both. He gets enormous media coverage. Only thing that is breaking through. As said before his message to some extent resonating on illegal immigration and trade. Real risk for trump on first debate on fox news august 6th. He will be compared with nine other, serious, thoughtful, accomplished candidates. When he is on the campaign trail he is by himself. People dont compare him to other candidates. He will be pressed for specifics and his hypocrisy in the past and compared against jeb bush and marco rubio and lots of other smart candidates. I think that is real problem for trump. Trish i still remember marco rubio with the glass of water there, giving his republican response after the state of the union. So i mean you compare him with the reality tv star who is used to the cameras, who is used to the fight. I actually think that donald trump is going to provide some very interesting, perhaps combative entertainment. I know it will be the best seat in town, jessica, watching fox news. Absolutely. To your point which is completely correct. Were leaving out the fact he is always in charge and he will not be in charge during the debate. There is a moderator. Other candidates can push each other. I think he will be coming out looking pretty good to people liking what he is putting out there, republicans and conservative republicans at that. People are not talking about, donald trump has no policies. I mean he is talking about building this wall which is, as fiscally impossible as a lot of Bernie Sanders policies he is putting out there. Free college, et cetera. Trish talking about taking on putin. Talking about making America Great again. Donald trump in a room with Vladmir Putin is horrifying to me on so many levels, certainly on policy one. Trish think a lot of americans like the idea of donald trump in reality tv sense or real sense . Trish no in real sense. You know what . Maybe this guy putin understand we mean business and you cant mess with the United States of america. Anyway, so good to have you here. Jessica, matt, thank you so much. For more on both hillary and trump joined by karl rove later on on the Intelligence Report. That is coming up 30 minutes from now. New headlines coming in. Convicted israeli spy Jonathan Pollard who served 30 years in u. S. Prison will be paroled in november. According to lawyers. Well monitor these headlines and bring more as they happen. President ial candidate Mike Huckabee obamas iran deal on fox business today, calling it dangerous and ridiculous. Well, you know what is ridiculous and sad, that the president went to the iranians and thought could make a deal with bunch of people who for 36 years threatening to wipe israel off the map. We turned 120 billiondollar checkbook over to a bunch of terrorists. I dont know why the recalled would the president would be so proud to put his name on this deal. Trish you know what . Huckabee is not alone. Top republicans grill secretary of state john kerry who is trying to convince congress to support what many are saying flatout one bad deal. Fox businesss blake burman joins us with the very latest in d. C. And, blake, we saw some of that sound between the congressman and kerry and it was pretty heated today. Trish, tell you what, this hearing has gone now past four hours. It is becoming more contentious as time goes along. Most of the skepticism directed directly at secretary of state john kerry who of course led the u. S. Negotiations. I want you to take a listen, real quick. This happened just a little while ago. Kerry was asked as he has been peppered all afternoon about the details of this deal but he was asked, whose interests he represents more . The deal or the u. S. . Heres how he responded. Congressman, i dont need any lessons from you who i represent. I have represent and fought for our country since i was out of college. And. And god bless you for your service. Dont give me any lessons about that, okay . That was congressman scott perry of pennsylvania. Just a little bit of what we saw throughout the afternoon, trish. Two of the several points kerry and Administration Officials have tried to make throughout are this the irans potentially delay inspections up 24 days, does not provide iran cover to cheat and secretary said rejecting deal puts iran closer to dangerous capabilities. Trish . Trish were up 200 and still going here. Stocks at the highs of the session as you can see. Were up almost 200. Were up 200 moments ago. 197 is little of increase on the dow. S p is trading up 296. Nasdaq is up 56. As the fed begins its twoday meeting because you know what, i know, and you know, and apparently traders out there know the fed, it just isnt going to budge. Joining us is jon hilsenrath, chief economic correspondent with the wall street journal. Aka, the fed whisperer. Phil flynn of Price Futures Group and fox businesss very own Elizabeth Macdonald. Jon, youre known as the fed whisperer, certainly has a lot of sources within the fed and kind of has an idea what theyre thinking. They have said all along, certainly janet yellen said all along she certainly wants to monitor the data, that she is data dependent. I dont know that the data is looking so good now. Do you think we get a rate hike in september . I dont think there needs to be a lot of whispering right now and fed made pretty clear and janet yellen made clear where she is going. She had testimony earlier this month and expects to raise rates earlier this year. It is very hard to trish taking her at her word, huh . Youre taking her at her word she has been telling us forever she wants to raise rates. Sorry . Trish she has been saying for a while, didnt she want to do it in june . June came and wint. Remember the Unemployment Rate she was watching, six 1 2 . That came and wait, came and went. I just wonder, given the Global Situation were in right now, Elizabeth Macdonald if she is going to have the ability to move as much as she may want to . I think jon is actually right. Weve talked to a lot of economists and wall street shops theyre saying quarter point rate hike, thats it. Weve been reporting that for months now. The talk on wall street is what is going on in china, whether china basically, chinas slowdown will give janet yellen pause and the word were hearing is no. If chinas economy continues to stagger and the markets continue to face headwinds that still will not be enough reason for Federal Reserve to stave off a rate hike. Trish but, jon, look at what, i mean the china situation, it has a lot of investors spooked and this is one of the reasons why we saw some challenges to the market earlier this week. And last week. Does she just shrug that off and say im not worried about it . It is so important to me to get off of zero . By the way, i agree it is important to get off zero. We shouldnt be on zero for six plus years but will that cause her to move . When you think about anything overseas you have to think about the channels which that travels to the United States. With china the very important channel is commodity markets. Were seeing renewed downturns in a lot of Commodity Prices because china has been a big consumer commodities and it has too much capacity. So that is a problem for the fed. The fed wants to see inflation get to 2 . It has run below 2 for more than three years now. And if they see more downward pressure on commodities, that could give them some pause. But you know they have tended to describe these commodity price downturns as temporary affairs. They look past it when commodities were going way up and theyre looking, trying to look past it when they are coming down because they cant go beyond zero. Trish you could look at it as a positive for the American Consumer because it looks like they are getting more money in their pockets each week. Right. Trish that is another debate. Phil flynn, i want to bring you into this, were were seeing Commodity Prices weaken significantly. If fed has a rate hike, that jon thinks they will, i dont necessarily think so but does that make commodities go down further because that makes dollar much stronger . Actually would feed into the deflationary fears were seeing in the rest of the globe. One of the concerns about the fed is the biggest fight is to fight deflation. What were seeing in china is beginning of new round of deflation that could spread to other parts of the world, that is going to be a big problem. Ill tell you what the fed funds future traders are pretty much in ire camp. Theyre not convinced that the fed is going to raise in september. In fact they barely believed that there is 51 chance that the feds going to be able to move. December is a long time away in the mind of fed funds futures. Much better chance that the rate is in december. If we continue to see Commodity Prices get crushed, it will be hard for the fed to hit inflation rate and hard to justify a rate hike at that point. Dollar strengthening story is such an important one. Were seeing currencies trading where they were during the asian crisis in 98 and seeing that in asia and indonesia. Wall street journal says the dollar will continue to strengthen and commodities continue to get stung here. Trish look, the dollar is going up so it will maybe that european vacation easier. Jon, phil, liz, good to have you here. Ford posting its strongest quarterly profit. Fords cfo joins me to look at new ford f150 truck and whether or not your ford vehicle can get hacked. My interview with a arkansas gun range owner who is banning muslims from her facility. Want you to go there to tell us what you think on the intelligence facebook page. Join me on twitter. Join the discussion on twitter trish intel. Well talk about the move from the gun range is legal or not. Im certainly not saying all muslims are terrorists but todays moderate can certainly become quickly tomorrows jihadist. The only way to get better is to challenge yourself, and thats what were doing at xfinity. We are challenging ourselves to improve every aspect of your experience. And this includes our commitment to being on time. Every time. Thats why if were ever late for an appointment, well credit your account 20. 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Well sparking this outcry, the disturbing undercover videos from the center for medical progress showing planned parenthood employees allegedly discussing the sale of fetal tissue for a profit. The group releasing a new documentary web series today, which featurest a former technician whose company was partnered with planned paint hood. This woman describes how she was hired to harvest body parts from aborted babies. Listen to this. I thought i was going to be just drawing blood, not procuring tissue from aborted fetuses. The main nurse was always trying to make sure that we got our specimens. No one else really cared but the main nurse did, because she knew that planned parenthood was getting compensated. Trish republican congresswoman diane black of tennessee joins me right now. She introduced a bill that would immediately block planned parenthoods funding for one year while the government investigates this situation. Congresswoman, planned parenthood says these claims are not true. But you look at these videos, and its clear that if these people are working for them and they are engaging in what we seem to be seeing, which is a negotiation tactic, for compensation for these fetal body parts, doesnt there at the very least need to be an investigation . Absolutely. There needs to be an investigation with hearings here and congress and also Loretta Lynch our attorney general needs to take this up and investigate this. Look, if they were not selling body parts and making a profit, why would they not just have a fee schedule, of american straight tiff fee, say this is what our costs are . Be up front and clear. Not having conversations over a salad and a glass of wine about, well, lets just negotiate. And one doctor even saying i need a lamborghini. This is inhumane and despicable behavior. Trish that particular video youre referencing, were actually looking at that on the screen, that is a doctor out in california an executive at planned parenthood, as you listen to the conversation it is very clear she is saying we dont want to do anything illegal but maybe i can talk to the doctor that is doing this procedure about this a little more. She seems to be going back and forth, saying, no, you throw out the first figure, i dont want to get lowballed. Youre wondering to yourself, they say there is no profit that is being made but it certainly sounds as though she is willing, maybe, willing to take a little on the side . Look, when were in business and ive worked in the hospital and the Health Care Industry now for more than 40 years, there are no negotiations like this that take place. A legitimate business would have a fee schedule to say, here is what our administrative costs are, both to procure the tissue, to store the tissue and also deliver the tissue. And it would have been clear and up front. You wouldnt be negotiating. I dont want to be low bald. Give me your number lowballed. Pretty clear that things are going on that frankly are illegal. Trish it does seem this certainly merits an investigation and the idea that of peoples money going to something where they could be profiting illegally i would add by this is definitely scary. Thank you congresswoman black. Thank you for bringing this issue to the american people. Trish okay. After the break, everyone, a stark warning from Stephen Hawking and elon musk. Theyre trying to stop the use of kill every robots killer robots in the military. We live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. Trish an earnings alerted for you, ford motor posting a 44 surge in Second Quarter ahead of the companys highly anticipated release of its f150 limited edition. We are getting new details today from ford motors executive Vice President and cfo. Bob, great to have you here, great to see you. Congrats on the quarter. Thanks, its great to be here, and it was an outstanding quarter. Im really looking forward to talking about it. Trish what fueled this 44 jump in Second Quarter profits . Well, i would highlight three things. One, north america. North america had a record profit for any quarter. Secondly, i would highlight our ford credit operation which earned over half a billion dollars, and thirdly, i would note asiapacific which had a record for the Second Quarter and a lot of that driven by china. Even in europe, which was near break even, i highlight that because we are on the path to profitability, and it did allow all the good news to flow through to the bottom line. Trish you mentioned china being a highlight, globally as you go around the world and we contemplate just exactly what kind of situation were in, whether it be in europe where theyre dealing with a significant debt crisis and slowdown there, or whether it be china where every day were getting news of more problems, where do you see potentially that weakness coming from . In terms of china, in china we see still a strong gdp growth of probably about 7 , but in our industry what were seeing is the fact that the government is making a transition from an economy that was more exportoriented, investmentfocused to one thats more focused on the consumer, consumer services. So theres going to be some road bumps along the way. Clearly, were seeing some volatility, the stock market issues affecting consumer confidence, but overall we do expect longer term that were going to see very strong growth overall in the economy but also the industry in china. Already the biggest in the world. Trish thats been very much in focus for investors as of late. Let me move on to the f150. The cost of it, pretty significant, you know, for a pickup truck. What is it that makes this pickup truck so much more special that people would be willing to shell out in the vicinity of 60k . Well, we have a broad range of offerings in f150, so we can go from the mid 20s all the way up to this new limited which will be coming out this winter. One of the things we certainly see is consumers love their pickups. And so theres a lot of people that want to have the ones that are more, with more content, more features from the lariat all the way up to this limited that we just announced. Trish i understand youve even got massaging seats in that one, so lots of little tricks on that pickup. Finally before i let you go, fiatchrysler has been in the news with a big recall, 1. 4 million vehicles that are vulnerable to hacking. Finish thats the concern. Wired magazine was able to hack into these vehicles, and its a real concern right now as we see this transition into the connected car, people are wondering whether those systems are vulnerable. And, bob, whether or not theyre going to be safe. Yeah, thats a he jet mate legitimate concern, and were very much focused both on the safety aspect and also the privacy of the data of our consumers. Now, we happen to have a different hardware architecture than the chrysler system, our softwares different, but were clearly interested in learning whatever we can about the issues that they face to make sure the robustness of our system which we think is there if it can be enhanced, were certainly going to do that. Trish bob, thanks. Thanks for joining the Intelligence Report today. Thanks, trish. Trish well, elon musk and Stephen Hawking, they are sounding the alarm on robots, and its not just about them serving as potential job killers, but actually as human killers. 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Com im certainly not saying all muslims are terrorists, but todays moderate can certainly very quickly become tomorrows jihadist. And so with that in mind, for the safety and security for the people at my place, i have to act with caution and im assuming you agree with those 109 verses and, therefore, i cant allow you to shoot trish hang on one second, and you are a muslim, so how does that make you feel knowing if you wanted to go in and use her firing range, shed turn you away . Not only would she turn me away, i concealcarry. Where am i supposed to practice . I see this as unamerican. Trish the heated debate between the owner of a gun range banning muslims in arkansas and the founder of the americanislamic forum for democracy, it has a lot of you talking to us on twitter and on facebook, on our new page, the intelligence page, and on my own page, trish regan. Can jan morgans muslim ban hold up in a court of law . Here to answer that question is fox news senior judicial analyst, judge napolitano. Judge, great to see you again. Good to be with you, trish. Trish i mean, is this legal, what shes doing . Generally, its not legal. I say generally because shes attempting to find some ways around landmark legislation called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which as amended prohibits a public accommodation, somebody that opens their doors and says to the public im open for business, come here, give me money and ill give you the service or good that im selling, prohibits public accommodations from saying no to people on the basis of religion, creed or nationality. So somewhere among those three would be the people against whom she wants to trish well, theyre a religion. Shes directly saying if youre part of this religion or i think youre part of this religion, youre not welcome. She says she has the right to do this because the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives gives her discretion. This is all being done in the name of safety. Well, it gives her discretion to exclude someone from a shooting range who she believes would be inherently untrustworthy at the range, that they would be dangerous to themselves or others. But she has to make that judgment on the basis of the unique behavior of that person, not the religion of that person. And the reason for that is the federal statute going back to 1964 that prevents discrimination by the government, in public accommodations or in housing, based upon religion. Dr. Jasser, whom we know, makes a very good point, this is essentially unenforceable. What is she going to do, interrogate someone and decide, well, your religion lets you in, but your religion doesnt let you in . Trish trish weve got some breaking news, the nfl has upheld the fourgame suspension of patriots Quarterback Tom Brady brady. This, of course, was the wells investigation, it was conducted, and out of that investigation we saw things like cell phone records between some of the ballboys going back and forth, and it certainly seemed to implicate tom brady in all of this. The nfl suspended him with four games, he appealed it, and now the nfls saying, guess what . Youre out. Heres one of the reasons he lost the appeal. He lost the first one with ted wells, a dear friend of mine and, in candor, a superb lawyer whom im inclined to believe as well as losing the appeal. The Players Union has signed a collective Bargaining Agreement players to participate and cooperate in investigations even against themselves. This is not the government. When the Justice Department comes after you, you hire lawyers to resist them, but when the nfl comes after you and youre tom brady or anybody in the nfl, you have to cooperate. When you dont cooperate, they may conclude that you have something to hide trish and he thats probably what the trish did not cooperate. Correct. Trish there was a report being released this morning, i bereave by espn, which indicated tom brady may actually have destroyed his cell phone during this wells investigation, physically destroyed it because he did not want to provide the evidence. We do know, judge, that he was not willing to turn over his you know, when a person hides evidence, you assume theyre guilty. Its a natural, rational assumption. You cant make that assumption in a courtroom because the fifth amendment protects the person and allows them to remain silent, but this is not a courtroom. This is a labormanagement relationship, and its pursuant to a written agreement, and it requires cooperation. If i could editorialize, i think tom brady got off easily. Trish you know, i think youre absolutely right. I think the cheating in which he engaged, now having been upheld on appeal, was at the most critical juncture of that sport, the game before the super bowl. And the suspension should have been longer, harder and stiffer to send a message. You know, four games at his pay grade is a lot of money. Four games to the new England Patriots without tom brady is a huge loss. But the cheating in which he engaged fundamentally attacked the game at its most critical juncture. Trish you know, a lot of people said, oh, it doesnt really matter, it doesnt matter if you deflate these footballs, Everybody Knows this and maybe does happen. Im sorry, you know, if youre playing a sport and there are rules, there are rules. And if you break those rules, it seems to me there should be some kind of punishment for that. Well, there was a punishment, but i think it was, i think it was on the soft side. Nevertheless, the press will play this out that tom brady got more than a wrist slap, that tom brady got seriously whacked. There is no appeal from this. The collective Bargaining Agreement prohibits an appeal beyond the commissioner. So his lawyers are going to get in front of a camera tonight and say were going to file a lawsuit against the nfl. That lawsuit will be dismissed, and theyll end up paying the legal bills of of the nfl for resisting the lawsuit. Trish okay. But you think people are going to play this off as they came down hard on him. Goodell has, obviously, been highly criticized for his inability to come down on players he should come down on. Yes. Rice, Adrian Peterson and how slow the nfl has been to act. Now theyre out there with their sort of poster child, tom brady, very different situation, obviously, but nonetheless it really sort of gets at, i would say, sort of the character and the heart of this game well, in fairness, in fairness to the commissioner, he cannot extend the punishment. He can only maintain it or reduce it. So in other words, tom brady cannot suffer greater than four game loss on account of the appeal. So the initial decision by the nfl bureaucracy to suspend him for four days was, in my opinion, the weak one. The commissioners goal is to determine whether or not there was enough evidence to justify that. And whether not whether it should be stronger, but whether it should be lighter. Trish we should assume, judge, in fact, tom brady did do this. I think its pretty clear now. Hes going to deny it, i dont blame him, and his lawyers are going to deny it, but its pretty clear that the two entities actually, three entities that looked at this, theres the internal nfl investigation, the ted wells investigation and now theres the commissioner, have all come to the same conclusion. Trish you remember those Text Messages that were going back and forth, i dont know if we have them perhaps to show the viewers, theyre working on getting those, but they seem to me to be pretty that might have been the smoking gun that the investigators were looking for in all of this, because there was this back and forth be exchange between the guys that were handling the ball. You know, when people engage in a conspiracy, an agreement to do something wrong, and one of the conspirators takes a step in furtherance of that agreement, they dont put it all in writing. Theres little snippets here and there, and youre right, its Text Messages that usually tip the hand. A fair reading, a neutral reading of those Text Messages shows tom brady knew exactly what was going on, and he either looked the other way or did nothing to stop it. And as the quarterback of the team at this critical juncture, he had a duty not to be involved in any cheating. He cant say, oh, they cheated and i learned about it later. Thats not the way it works. Trish judge, stay with me, were joined by former nfl player t. O. Jackson. Whats your reaction here to this news that its going to be upheld, that fourgame suspension for tom brady . Yeah. Im a little surprised. I thought when this first broke some months back that the appeals process would afford tom probably a twogame suspension. So im a little surprised. And, but, frankly, im proud that the process has worked in the way it has because, you know, i truly believe that this is sort of par for the course for the patriots. You know, they have a history of pushing the envelope and actually breaking rules, and im proud that the process held up and held strong for one of the star, biggest stars as it holds up for some of the lesser known stars, if you catch my be drift. You know, he makes a great point. Tom brady cannot be treated differently because hes a poster boy, a superstar on a winning team. And this team, remember, bill belichick, the coach, was fined 500,000 for cheating, and that fine was paid by bob kraft, the other than. So bob belichick, as far as we know, didnt lose a dollar. This is not a case where the owner can reimburse tom. Hes going to lose four weeks of his salary, and more importantly, the teams going to lose his services for four weeks. Theyre luckily cough gotten off this easily. Trish tyoka, youre pleased the nfl held this up. The judge was just making a point that tom brady ought to have gotten more, but they made the decision, the nfl did, to come forward with the fourgame suspension, is so that was the max he could get. Yeah. And, you know, when you look at the facts, the actual balls probably did not have much impact on the games in which were talking about. That game against indianapolis, after they changed the balls and we know they were using regulation balls, he had an unbelievable second half and really put that team away. But i think the problem is the history weve talked about before, you know . The judge talked about the cheating, 500,000 trish let me share with you both those texts that we were talking about earlier. This may have been what caused the entire issue to really explode i cant read that. [laughter] trish to really come down. Lets see if ive got a hard copy here. It says you good, johnny boy . [laughter] still nervous . So far, so good though. Ill be all right. You didnt do anything wrong, bud. I know, ill be all good. And there were even more explosive texts than this, ill tell you, because that doesnt really tell you exactly what they were doing with the balls, but there were some and were going to continue hunting for those to bring them to you. But tom brady, and tyoka can weigh in on this, when tom brady refused to participate in the investigation, he declined the opportunity to explain those texts. Trish sure. So without toms explanation of those texts, the investigator is left with no choice but to conclude that he is part of a guilty conspiracy. Thats right. And they know the process, they know the culture of the nfl. They know that quarterbacks love their footballs. I mean, they have a love affair with their balls. No one touches their balls. The backup quarterback has his, and the starting quarterback has his, and theyre separate. They have their own balls, and theyre responsible for them. They dont want anybody touching them without their knowledge, because they like them to be and feel a certain way. And to say i wasnt a part of that process in which we know the balls were at a lower psi than they were supposed to be, i think, is just disingenuous. And, again, he didnt take the opportunity to explain what that conversation meant. Youre right about the destruction. Im just looking at our fox news lower thirds. Tyoka, the commissioner found that tom intentionally destroyed his cell phone prior to the meeting with the investigator. Now, what does that tell you as a former nfl player, the investigateor would ordinarily conclude . That there were specific and explicit conversations on that phone that dealt with the problem at hand. And he wanted nothing to do wit. But, look, judge, the nfl wants nothing to do with this. Right. They want this thing to be done six months ago. They dont want because they dont want us discussing things that go to the hard core competitiveness of the game. They dont want fans thinking that, like i said before, that this is anything close to wwe. These are great athletes on the field, they want everybody playing by the same rules. Very important. While i said before rules or this infraction may not have been as bad as the previous one, its still very important because they dont want anybody questioning the integrity and the outcome of these football games. Trish stay with us, tyoka, as well as the judge, pete slager is joining us schrager is joining us as well, and we are learning that the nfl commissioner or, rather, the cmsr is saying that tom brady destroyed his cell phone. We heard reports of this earlier, before, before meeting. You know, destroying the evidence, if youre, in fact, destroying the evidence in an investigation, i mean, that may be a whole other problem. Yeah. Well, look, tom brady says that he destroys all his phones when hes done using them. And i dont know what a usual celebrity like tom brady would do, without this going on, would he just throw his cell phone in the garbage . Im not sure. He claims, and he had a meeting with the appeals decision, and it says in this report im just skimming through now, he says he does this always, this is what he does when he gets a new phone, he destroys it. They did it on march 6th, the way the wells team started investigating. So that looks very ugly. The nfl wanted to throw the book at brady all along, they wanted to show theyre tough and the golden boy himself, Tom Brady Trish was four games enough, peter . The guy cheated. He destroyed evidence, and you give him four games . I think that four games was looked at as very drastic at the time, and the fact goodell is upholding that suspension is so surprising. Look, you destroy your phone, do this in the investigation, youre not going to cooperate, theyre going to throw the book at you. I dont think any more than that would have made much sense. Trish you dont think anything more than four games would have made much sense. You know, i guess part of the heart or the root of this question is how big a deal is it that he did this. I think the judge and i are on the same page. You know, you play a game, you sign up to a certain set of rules, and you dont break them. Theres no winkwink, nodnod. You just dont break the rules. Theres something kind of unsports sportsmanlike about that unsportsmanlike about that. Tyoka, whats your thought on that . The actual game, again, i dont think it impacted the outcome of the game in which were talking about, but the problem is what you just said. The fact that you guys as fans are discussing this issue is way more detrimental than that one football game, it really is. This nfl shield that we all have been a part of upholding, its worth billions and billions and billions of dollars to a lot of people. And it all is predicated on my team has a chance to win. Every football fan around america right now feels really good about their team having a chance to win because this is one of the few leagues in which you can go from worse to first really quickly. But if theres an idea that someone is breaking the rules and then that someone is a team whos been highly successful the last ten years who, by the way, when you look at the stats, theyve lost drastically less fumbles than everybody else in the league, you get really nervous, and you dont want any part of it. I think this four games is a really good suspension, and they had to upheld it, trish, they did. They had to. Trish Geraldo Rivera joining us, good to have you here. Weve got a breaking story here. Tom brady is going to get that fourgame suspension. Weve been debating whether or not he got enough. What do you think . Well, i just left Gillette Stadium. I took my 10yearold to see taylor swift in the house that tom built [laughter] 60,000 roaring fans n this case it was little girls cheering on taylor swift. I think the offense was serious, and i think the punishment appropriate. I want the patriots to move on from here. I, you know, you can lament all you want the fact that theyve lost the first round draft pick. I think thats the most serious aspect of the entire penalty, not losing brady for four game, but in terms of long term for the new England Patriots. But, you know, i think about deflating the balls the same thing i think about barry bonds and alex rodriguez. You know, its too bad that they did these things that deviated from the norm that they committed an offense, they cheated so to speak. Not so to speak, they cheated literally. Because i think it obscures the greatness. Barry bonds was the greatest hitter ever, arod is wonderful. Theres no question that tom bradys the best quarterback of our era, if not ever, and he didnt need to deflate the balls. Let me throw something out here, because of my fellow lawyer seated next to me. Do you think its interesting, geraldo, that the new england ate rots gave up the ghost, did patriots, did not resist the loss, did not challenge the loss of the draft pick and the Million Dollar fine and left tom brady on his own . Is bob kraft saying something to the commissioner, were not going to stick by brady in this one, because youve got the goods on him . Well, what is ironic to me, judge, and in watching this were so use today the judicial used to the judicial system where theres a jurist and sometimes a jury of your peers and then if you lose, you have a legal or factual beef, you take it up in appeals court, here it seems to me that Roger Goodell is confirming the decision that Roger Goodell engineered to begin with. Im not exactly sure this curious arrangement whereby the litigator of the punishment is also the judge who approves the sentencing. You know, thats odd to us as lawyers, but it comes from the collective Bargaining Agreement which tom, as a member of the union, is bound by. I hope that they can put it behind them. I expect that they will. Theres so much money at stake. But more than that, all these broken hearts of all these youngsters. Trish trevor hey, im a new england fan. I grew up in this territory, and the patriots are a big, big deal. But, you know, lets not forget they, peter schrager, had a history of this. This has been talked about before. Yeah, of course. You go back to spygate with belichick and theres always a cloud of mystery around how they skirt the rules. Football insiders will tell you the game against the ravens that was an illegal formation that was technically legal by the rulebook, but they were running something no one had ever seen before really set a lot of people off. But thats belichick. I love what everyones saying, and i think the key thing here is that the players did agree by the collective Bargaining Agreement, they could have made a point to remove that power from goodell, and time and time again, goodell throws the hammer down on these players and the agents and the union, they cry foul. But you know what . These guys signed that deal, and its good for ten years. And as long as he wants to be, goodell can be judge, juror and the executioner which in this case he very well is. Trish we have learned that the nfl is upholding that fourgame suspension for tom brady. We have also learned that, apparently, tom brady destroyed his cell phone so as to not have to provide any kind of evidence to the nfl as they conducted that investigation, the wells report, of course, which revealed some text exchanges that went back and forth between the ballboys that were handling tom bradys footballs there. Geraldo on set with me along with judge napolitano, and what does this guy do . Geraldo, ill start with you, to his marketability. He has been the guy, the clean cut, allamerican football player, married to a brazilian, stunningly gorgeous model, i mean, who lives a somewhat seemingly perfect life [laughter] hes got a big deal with under armour. Do you think it affects his ability to sell . I dont know i have a beautiful wife as well, only she doesnt have a positive cash flow [laughter] im not sure which of these superstars trish he can always fall back on that. It was interesting, as you were speaking earlier, i was in the green room waiting to come on, and i saw the roll they used of giselle and tom arriving at some black tie event, and you just look at these people, and you just go, oh, my gosh. So beautiful. And the children are beautiful. And he deflated the footballs, and im sorry, and that will taint him, but my goodness, i go back to where i started. This is unfortunate because he is the greatest quarterback of this era, and hes such a wonderful person, and hes trish why did he have to do this, geraldo . He didnt need it. Whyd he do it . Sometimes out of habit you just, you just want to get that, you just want to get that one more edge, that one more i can see the temptation. During the the days, the performanceenhancing drugs were legal, you know, barry bonds, he took it when he was legal, he just lied about having taken it and refused to answer some of the questions the feds had at the grand jury there. But i wonder if i was in high school and someone said, hey, kid, heres a pill, its legal, and instead of hitting. 275, youll hit. 325 you would have turned it down. [laughter] trish tyoka, i mean, is there that temptation . You always want to be the best, and theres a lot of pressure when youre play anything the big leagues. Trish, of course it is, and the temptation is there, but you have to make a decision. You have your own value system, and you have to make a decision in which you have to live with. And some players, we used to say it all the time, if you aint cheating, you aint trying. That was a line i heard a lot in the locker room. For me, it didnt, you know, fortunately for me, i didnt have that will to go and cross over the line, and he didnt have to do this, but to be fair, hes not the only quarterback that has thrown balls in bad weather with psi below the number. I will just tell you that right now. This is not a super, super uncommon thing. Now, again, i dont think that it had a tremendous effect on that particular game and this season in which they won the super bowl. The problem for the patriots is that this precedent has been set already. You guys talked about before about spygate. Full diss closure, i played in that patriots in which we lost. They beat us, and i respected them for it, and many years later i found out they had taped or walkthrough allegedly, and there was some footage that was destroyed, ironically, by the nfl. So this destroying of evidence, this is not the first time weve heard of that with the nfl. So theres a lot going on here, and i think the problem is as the judge said before, tom brady diseased to stare down the League Office decided to stair down the League Office as opposed to backing off and saying go ahead and do what youre going to do. Trish you wonder how much worse it might have been had he actually turned over that cell phone evidence. Were looking at live pictures coming in to us right now of the patriots stadium, Gillette Stadium maybe not in boston. Fox borrow. Forgive me, foxboro, massachusetts. Again, as we finalize the show here with a market thats up 200 points, tom brady theres that picture you can see of the stadium that tom brady getting that fourgame suspension. I want to thank tyoka, judge, peter and geraldo. My pleasure. Trish fox business is going to take you into the close with. The market likes it. Im kidding. [ laughter ] the market is up anyway. Up about 204 points. Yes, stunning breaking news, a crushing blow to tom braid eat and new England Patriots as the National FootballLeague CommissionerRoger Goodell rejects bradys appeal. The organization is upholding the fourgame suspension unpaid after spending more than ten hours hearing bradys appeal in june. Didnt work. As members of the sports world cheer or jeer, this is word we got one of the nails in