Welcome to forbes on fox. Mike elizabeth mcdonald, Sabrina Schaefer and bruce jackson. Rich, should sanctuary cities lose their federal funding . Yes, they should. And this republican bill that was just passed in the house may have a lot of flaws to it. It was passed in the heat of the moment justifiable heat of the moment but federal law. Imagine if you had sanctuary cities for income tax evasion or polygamy. Its the same thing. Bruce, what do you think . Well i think it appears to be kneejerk knickpolitics and pandering. If they should do this given all the reports of the undocumented immigrants that trump has working for his companies, maybe they should extend to Sanctuary Golf Course and resorts. Not pandering at all. I think thats a bad analogy. The main thing is if theyre not abiding by federal law, these sanctuary cities why should they receive federal money . Listen this is a disgrace. An absolute National Disgrace what these families are going through. Federal tax dollars go to these cities to enforce laws to pacically stop illegal immigration. Theyre not doing what we pay them to do. So stop the funding. It is as simple as that. Weve got, what . 43 states with sanctuary cities and more than 8,100 criminal Illegal Immigrants are now in here. Committing many committing crimes again and again. So enough is a enough. No more, not one more family should have to go through what those families have endured. Mike youre always telling us rsh i think us i think correctly, illegal immigrant criminals keep coming back to places that give them a free pass. Its incentives right . Youre right about that david. But i would not stop funding this way. I think if these people broke the way in the sanctuary cities. I think much better if the republicans had shown some back bone and used the power of the purse with the president s budget. I think that was the time. Because then they could have actually made it tougher for these Illegal Immigrants to come into the country in the first place. Yeah but, sabrina, we have options now. We have this law in play. Kates law. This guy, by the way, who killed kate five times he was deported and then kept coming back to sanctuary cities because they give him a free pass. No youre absolutely right, david. Its so disturbing on so many levels. Serious immigration challenges in this country. This particular story is just horrific and heart wrenching, especially for any parent out there. The question is is our federal society being undermined. A lot of oissues s issues at play here. What rich suggested this kneejerk politics where were rushing to pass laws that i very often feel uncomfortable with that immigration is bad and all immigrants are bad and i dont think thats the tone that republicans want or thats good for the country. We need to address some of the very serious challenges and im not sure this law is the right way of doing it. The bottom line is were focusing on immigrants. We should really be focusing on policies bad policies create bad behavior. When you have sanctuary cities you have criminals that come back and welfare programs for immigrants. By the way, 47 , over 40 of Illegal Immigrants receive some form of welfare. The policies that are the problem more than the immigrants. Correct . I dont think so. The kate steinle story is a tragedy. But the facts are that immigrants are incarcerated at rates a fraction of what the American People are. So to turn this into something about immigrants is just statistically false. Thats for the republicans, shame on them. They talk a big game about constitutionally limited government. Then they use resources taken from the American People that are then smacked around the cities and states they live in. John youre against Government Spending too much money. I thought you would be fine with starving cities of money. Yes, and im for federalism too. I dont like the federal government taking money from us and then smacking cities around. Again, rich again, its something that has nuthing toothing to do with immigration. A question of incentives. If you incentivize bad behavior youll get more of it. When you flout federal law, you know, you have to be cracked down upon. If we have sanctuary cities for income tax evaders, i personally support that one or child molesters or things like that you cant have that. Not all sanctuaries are bad. I agree about texas. Mexico outlaws illegal immigration. This is symptommatic of the fact that we have really bad border security. And, you know what weve done this before. Washington, d. C. For example said to the states you dont raise the drinking age to 21 we will stop federal highway spending money coming your way. Bruce, i thought you appreciated that federal law usually trumps state and local law, no . Well no. I do. But i will say this the whole answer to this if you accept that then how can you accept the notion of sanctuary cities which have local law. Okay. The sanctuary cities thing is youre not going to get any undocumented immigrants to come out of the shadows to rat on these other people because theyll be deported. So you have to deal with the 11 million folks that are here. Thats why the sanctuary city laws came about because they they wouldnt be able to help solve crime because people would be worried they would get deported. Immigration reform. Its immigration reform. The fact is that theyre not helping sanctuary cities are violating rules that save peoples lives. I agree with you 100 david. All im suggesting is that rather than this funding of the cities and try to stop it there, if these people running these cities are breaking the law, they should be prosecuted. Thats the way you deal with something that is illegal. John i love immigration. I married an immigrant. My family is immigrants. All of our families are immigrants. We love immigration. Helped build america. But we dont love people or criminals getting cover by these sanctuary cities. Thats fine. But were using one instance. Hold on. Its not one instance. There were several people. Thats not a statistic. Were using that to act like leftwing people and say immigration is bad because of this. Fight crime, but to esit here and run against what is a pure market signal. People come to this country and for the better and then say, okay. Sabrina, the concept of giving people cover from illegal behavior is wrong, is it not . Cant we just say that . Black and white. That is wrong. The question is how do you address it . One of the problems of this law is that youre detracting from larger issues. We have a problem, david, with policies. A problem with Illegal Immigrants coming here because we have generous public assistance programs and a problem with real people who are educated in skills not able to get here because their borders dont touch ours. Those are real issues and we dont want to make all immigrants sound as if theyre bad. Thats why im concerned about this law. I do oppose the idea of a sanctuary. I think you agree with me, its the policies that are the problems and not the immigrants. The policies that are the problem and not the immigrants. We are for legal immigration, even hispanic immigrants and other immigrants do not like what is going on in sanctuary cities. Bad incentives incentivate the wrong people to immigrate here correct . Yeah yeah. Again, just substitute income tax evasion and you have the same thing. It incentivize people. Incentivize everybody to read your new book. Great book. First, our computers and smartphones and now its our cars. A major recall after hackers show how easy it is to put the brakes on your connected car while youre driving. Very scary stuff. Were going to be talk about it next. More on forbes on fox and ill see you for my show at 3 00 p. M. Eastern. Well forget about your computer and smartphone now hackers are finding ways to hack into your car while youre driving. Fiat chrysler is so worried its recalling more than a million cars after two hackers showed wired. Com how to do it to a jeep. Take a look. Below a certain speed, they can control the jeep steering, as long as it is in reverse. Messes with the speedometer and, of course disable the brakes. Hold on a second. Thats a hacker that did that. You say these innovations are now making us all a lot less safe. Some guy, some couch potato sitting on his couch did that. You know wirelessly. Give me a 68 mustang ford bullet any day. I dont need all the bells and whistles. This hacking through the entertainment console is really scary and now we have some french guy who wants to have espresso makers in your car. Stop with the cocooning in your car, stop with the living room on wheels. Enough is enough. John the problem is that we already had this bureaucracy that deals with car safety. This is the one that ralph nader inspired back in the 60s. We must reassure Vehicle Owners that their data is secure and their vehicle is secure and were looking out for threats from hackers, thieves and anyone else who might seek to tamper with safetycritical technology. Leave the government out of it. The reality is that experimentation and with experimentation there are going to be mistakes. Thats how you get to knowledge that leads to the innovation that we want. We want cars that are more computerized and because we do there is going to be a market incentive to create ways to deter hackers and lets keep the government out of this. If the company is really serious about it. By the way, rich we had a statement from Fiat Chrysler about the recall. They say the company is unaware of any injuries related to Software Exploitation and fiat conducting this campaign out of an abundance of caution and theyre a little bit sticking their handead in the sand. Theyre out front in this issue and i agree totally with john. You dont want the government. The federal government cant protect china from hacking the personnel records and now suddenly theyre going to set the standards to protect people from hacking our cars . Thats a good point, mike. Well, i dont care what rich says. Hes wrong. Obama is going to announce any day now, david, theres going to be a computer car czar appointment at the white house. A car czar. Why did i think we needed a car czar . Of course well, bruce, it is is it not, that some of these safety regulations, seat belts and airbags have saved lives, right . Yeah, definitely. Some of these companies are going to open themselves up to federal regulation if they dontnovateinginnovating. Some of them are raising the white flag. The Blue Cross Association said well offer you free credit checks and whatever if youre hacked essentially is what theyre saying. We want to prevent the hacks in the first place. So, sabrina, all regulation isnt bad. No all regulation isnt bad and also a lot of times sort of a private incentivation because there is obviously, a demand for this now. Fiat is going back and doing everything they can to make sure their cars are the safest on the road. Im with john and rich. The idea of being hacked while driving is terrifying but what is more terrifying is the idea of the federal government to try to come in and fix it. We have to remember that innovation takes a lot of timing and ask you dont have to look at the individual level. The Wright Brothers didnt just build a plane one day in the back of their bike shop. A lot of innovators before then. What about the fact though that there have been a lot of advances in Seat Belt Technology and airbags and stuff that the carmakers probably wouldnt have done unless they were forced to do it by these regulators. I have no problem. I think government is there to keep us safe and this is an instance where this is important. By the way, watch this. What if a robot car google driverless car gets hacked . Thats the wave of the future, too. Thats the fear, john. John would you just get rid of all these consumer safety bodies bureaucracies . Of course i would. How do they keep us safe . Hold on let me just you asked a question. Would we have had seat belts and airbags without them . Oh, yeah. The carmakers would have never come up with that because Consumers Want them. But they werent until the agency forced them to do it. The idea that we wouldnt do things without the government but the leap that generates crucial economy boosting information. You have to have mistakes to get to these innovations. Rich last word quick. In the old days steve hacked. Eric what have you got . Hey, david. President obama getting serious with funnyman jon stewart saying opposing the iran nuke deal. A 21yearold rips the white house for not getting tougher on islamic terrorists and it goes viral. Why this could be a good sign for our future. See you soon. Up here first, no controversy here. What donald trump just said that should have all of his gop rivals saying hes right. Get excited for the 1989 world tour with exclusive behind the scenes footage all of taylor swifts music videos interviews, and more. Xfinity is the destination for all things taylor swift. Donald trump known for speaking his mind and theres one thing hes sounding an alarm on most gop candidates agree on. Take a listen. One of the biggest questions i get is from people even a little bit younger than you. Theyre in college, theyre doing well they have Student Loans up to the neck. Theyre swimming in these loans and one of the only things the government makes money on. That is one thing the government shouldnt make money on. Sabrina, you say trump is right and the government shouldnt profit from Student Loans. Absolutely not. The government has gotten into the business of Student Loans and driven up costs for consumers. In the past two years alone, direct government loans for students have increased by 44 . Colleges and universities have absolutely no reason to control or reduce costs. This is a real problem for students. And, john look at the numbers. I mean from 2010 to 2014 theyve been making tens of billions of dollars on students loans. Well, you know trump is wrong, though. But so is the federal government. It should just not be in the government in order to give out cheap loans. Sabrina is right, the feds should be out of this altogether. But, bruce, the hypocrisy. You always hear president obama talking about students drowning in education debt and theyre making money off these students. Thats kind of hypocritical. Thats not his idea. This is the idea from senator Elizabeth Warren who has been talking about the government putting putting Student Loans and if you give the federal government all this money they should have skin in the game and they should be paying back part of the loan. To johns point, why is the government in this business . If its a profitmaking enterprise . They saw the private market in this industry david, that was making money. They wanted to gouge it and sell it cheaply as a free subsidy, if you will to people who want to go to college. The question for the president is really about his own hypocrisy. Over the years as the Government Role in College Loans has increased, so has the amount of debt that the College Students graduate with. By his own remarks, its really the governments fault. So rich the government being in the student loan business is one reason why we pay so much for college education. Yeah. Among many reasons. Way too many administrators per actual teachers is probably the major reason. But, look i think donald trump stumbled on to something here and as an employer he sees people paying this enormous amount of money and coming out without any practical education that applies to the business market. Well sometimes, everybody stumbles on the truth. Thank you very much gang. Well, if your boss told you to take all of the vacation you want would you take him or her up on that . Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . I think i meaded a hair cut there. Most hardworking americans say they would not take time off even if they were offered. A group of big companies. A blue chip Large Cap Company and called a sequoia fund and good positions in Companies Like precision cast parts. Its cheapest fund. Im kind of liking it. Be careful, david, a big chunk of their money is invested in one cumadiane ian canadian drugmaker. You like nu gold. The company is going to move from a loss to a profit next. I dont like gold. Gold is going down and so are the minors. It has already gone down a lot. Gang thank you very much. Have a wonderful weekend. Thats it for forbes on fox. Thanks for watching. Keep eric bolling and cashin in. President obama trashing the gop on johnn stewarts show for not supporting his iran nuke deal. When you hear the critics talk about, well its a bad deal. Could have got a better deal. You then asked them what represents a better deal . What is it that you think could happen . Typically, theyre vague and they fall back on well if you beat your chest a little bit more and 2011. If youve just done it in 2011 theyd give you the country. Or brought dick cheney to the negotiations. Everything would be fine. Well, everyones not laughing. There are reports of secret side deals to get the deal done