Victory actions, and if we talk, for example, about the Crimean Tatars, then for the Crimean Tatars this day even has other meanings, because in 10 days all the Crimean Tatars, by order of stalin, simply deported, Crimean Tatars the soldiers who fought during the second world war, when they came home to crimea, simply did not see their relatives, did not see them. Their children, and among them there were also heroes of the soviet union, by the way, yes, and this, these are the most resonant moments, this is exactly what we are seeing in mariupol now, we go to the temporarily occupied mariupol and see there not the majority of locals who came from the Russian Federations, sometimes banal migrants who are brought in so that they become dominant as much as possible. Component, precisely in this occupied city, ah, the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, it has been affected since the 14th year precisely in this format, how many areas outside the boundaries of urban development, outside the general plans of cities, they were raided for them, raids took place, raiders took over and there were built. Where there were red princely forests, they were simply cleared and multistorey buildings, new residential complexes were built there, where representatives, families, representatives of the fsb, others who had fled from the Russian Federation and so on and so forth live, i. E. Temporarily occupied crimea since 2014 , people from the Russian Federation have been settled on a large scale, this is a purposeful action, it will be a very big problem for us after the liberation of crimea, because these people have no right to live there, but if they are evicted from there by force, then this can be a problem, for example, with our european partners, who will Pay Attention, oh, here is a violation of human rights and freedoms, what rights, thank you. According to your information, Oleksandr Kovalenko , a militarypolitical columnist of the information resistance group, was on the air of the program brb together is a joint project of atp and espresso. Well, we have a short break until we meet. Wait. I congratulate you. This is svoboda live on radio svoboda. We have already approached the serpent himself. The following shots may shock you. News from the scene. Live kamikaze drone attacks. 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Can we talk about that and could this indicate that the repression against the citizens of ukraine, against the Crimean Tatars on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula will increase . And it is very difficult for me to understand the logic of the fsb, but i can make an assumption that there will be further repressions increase, the pressure will increase. And any manifestation of a position regarding the support of ukraine or regarding the definition of the ukrainian civil identity will, well , be intensified by repressions on the part of the occupiers. So we connect it also with the fact that may 18. Uh, we remember the date of the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, and fsb officers are visiting crimean activists and warning them that under no circumstances should they go to rallies or organize any actions, this is their traditional preventive work, but this time we we see that it is somewhat strengthened, perhaps this is due to the fact that the period of admission to ukrainian educational institutions is underway, and we know that many crimean. Schoolchildren are actually considering the possibility of studying in the free ukrainian territory, as it happens physically, are there still crimeans who can physically leave crimea and come to ukrainian educational institutions, do they study somehow online, or is it mostly for those who already managed to leave earlier before the administrative border with crimea turned into a de facto battlefield. Well, there are really two questions here, well , the first question is that this year is the anniversary of the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, it is a very sad date, and we can really observe the increase of pressure and intimidation on the part of the Russian Federation, even. In in the 15th year , our Public Organization drew attention to the fact that the occupiers forbid the Crimean Tatars to determine this tragic commemorative date, and then we held a Competition Among teachers of ukraine to develop lessons, and the theme of this competition was the right to memory. Oh, and thousands of teachers of ukraine took part in this competition in order to draw the attention of ukrainian schoolchildren to this event, which took place on may 18, 1944. Therefore, this is one question that is related to the previous question. And the second question you asked. And this is about whether there is a possibility of admission to ukrainian educational institutions from crimea, and yes, there is such a possibility, moreover, now there are a lot of certain actions on the part of the state to improve the situation of admission to ukrainian. Educational institutions from temporarily occupied territories, in particular from the crimea, and indeed the opportunity that was granted during covid, after the fullscale invasion, it was improved, ah, its admission by video link, video conference, its taking exams via video conference, when you dont have to leave the occupied peninsula, ah, its a certain simplification of taking exams, and this year, Public Organizations, in partnership with the office of the Human Affairs commissioner, conducted monitoring of Educational Centers that provide such an opportunity for simplified admission, and conducted a survey of students from of the temporarily occupied territories, which. And entered after the start of a fullscale invasion, and the results of these studies, they will be presented on may 22, but i can make such a definite spoiler about the challenges that exist and the challenges that the state needs to take, well, actions , which the state needs to do in relation to. Of these challenges, well, first of all, it is the problem of leaving, and it is necessary to improve the system of video admission and distance education, these are challenges that are related to the social support of children who decide to leave after all, because unlike their peers, they cant. They can get support from their parents, because you know that parents cant send money from crimea now, they cant send any help there in the form of food, some goodies or Something Like that, and we looked, well, most children lives on a very small budget, and according to their answers, they. Do not even have the opportunity, well, they only have the opportunity to buy food and clothes, and therefore, in our opinion, the state needs to Pay Attention to this problem, these children they go in one direction, and thats the others too challenges that we have identified, and which we hope will be heard by the state, not only the ministry. Education, and the ministry of social policy, and the ministry of youth and sports, the ministry of reintegration, and other state authorities. Ms. Valentina, are there currently any statistics of crimean applicants who have entered ukrainian universities since the beginning of the largescale invasion, if compared to 2022, is this number increasing or vice versa . Unfortunately. This figure is why this monitoring was conducted in the first place, and this survey, because we saw that the entry in 2023 gave us shockingly low indicators, and even the entry in the 22nd year entered 137 children from the temporarily occupied territory of crimea, in the 23rd year only 86 children entered, well, almost half, although the conditions were the same, yes, that in the 22nd year, that in the 23rd year there was already a fullscale war. And this is a technical question, im sorry, please, i just have friends who want to enter ukrainian universities, but the question is whether they will be able to return later, for example, if they leave, come back. To the crimea and with that diploma to work there, or the russian occupiers do not accept them . And i can tell you that for its part, the Russian Federation has not yet taken certain steps regarding the rejection of ukrainian diplomas, the Russian Federation recognizes ukrainian diplomas, and theoretically they can return. In fact, i understand that a person who receives an education in ukraine, well, he will not really be there,. Clearly hired with a ukrainian diploma, which was obtained during a fullscale war, this is my assumption, this is my personal thought, well, but we all understand that a ukrainian diploma is a prestigious diploma, because russian diplomas, for example, and diplomas issued in the territory of temporarily occupied crimea, they are simply not recognized, and nowhere, that s exactly what im talking about. Wanted to continue, but when we did this survey of students and there was a question, what motivation do you have, why are you entering ukrainian Higher Education institutions, and there you can say that you can identify three such motivations, which have more than 70 of of the answers that were given and you know it was. It is very pleasant that the majority of people s motivation is a sense of civic identity, this is 71 of the answers. In second place is the prospect, well, employment, life prospect, yes, life path, the opportunity to enter Higher Education institutions abroad, and this is another 71 . Yes and therefore, well , that is why they choose ukrainian education, and this is true, because for students from the temporarily occupied territories, and in particular from crimea, there are now a lot of International Study programs abroad in very wellknown universities in. Grant support, well, we collected such information on the order of those with whom we communicate from crimea, we transferred this information so that they could spread it among crimeans. And also, why in my opinion it is necessary, yes, to choose to study at ukrainian universities, it is because you see that. Now we will very much lack the personnel reserve after the deoccupation, very much, and valentina potapova, head of the National Advocacy department of the almena center for civic enlightenment, i will remind our viewers that we continue to communicate, but i would like to ask all the viewers who are currently watching this broadcast to subscribe to the espresso Youtube Channels, the atp Youtube Channel and comment on this video. This is how youtube works, if you dont do this, no one will see us, and this Important Information about admission to ukrainian universities will also be seen by fewer people than it could, also you can copy the link to this video and send it to your friends in crimea, only use safe messengers, we do not recommend telegram, we do not recommend viber, any other messengers, well, you know better which ones are safe, ms. Valentina, are you still with us, yes with us, yes i am with you, great. Ah, lets move on to another topic, i understand about the numbers you mentioned, that the number of people, schoolchildren, who choose ukrainian universities is decreasing, for objective reasons, because it is more difficult to leave, but there is another reason, this is a huge car of russian propaganda, which is unfolding in the crimea, and here we have a video of how the occupiers forced 35 children to pass through the socalled chaos in artek. Regiment for this week these children, this march was led by veterans artek, participants in the war against zakhvatnytska ukraine, representatives of the russian investigative committee, school teams from different regions, cadets of the black Sea Higher Naval School named after nakhimov, well, we actually remember how the nakhimovs sang the National Anthem of ukraine when the russians invaded crimea in 2014 and. We see that this is simply the militarization of childrens consciousness, but what are we to do with it, what are we going to do with it further, when the deoccupation of the peninsula already happens, you know, unlike you, i am a person who. And being at the same age as the ones we just saw in the video, ah, i was in the soviet union, yes, we also had a lot of, well. Measures, when they took us somewhere, they tried to put something into our heads , ah, but, in fact, children perceive it as such, you know, a very strong compulsion, and when they are teenagers, the reaction can be quite the opposite, huh, but you cant help but. Evaluate that propaganda machine, which is now aimed at children in crimea and other occupied territories, and what to do about it in order to somehow overcome it, already today we need to develop programs, well, lets call them rehabilitation programs, programs for restoring civic identity. But we need to prepare for this today, and we need to take certain steps for the state so that we already have ready teachers who will understand that the children who were in the temporarily occupied territory are actually victims of the occupation, and that what they can to tell the teacher about. That ukraine is a nazi state and Something Like that, that its just, well, you know, a manifestation of a certain infection, i dont know how to say, because i i really dont want to say the word disease, well, it could be a teenage protest, we know that in reality, children at such a mature age can say very unpleasant things to their parents and teachers, and its not necessary to. With war and behave defiant, everything is clear here, but i am actually inspired by what you said that in the soviet union, the children who wore these red handkerchiefs and who were taught that marxism, leninism, did not really believe in it, i hope that in the century of the Free Internet , crimean children also have Critical Thinking and. Understand what is really happening, it is another matter that sometimes they cannot say about it in public, simply because there will be problems both for studies and for parents, and in the future with their careers there may be problems, we understand all that, if you know, we communicate, well it so happened that we communicated with students who were in the temporarily occupied territory for almost nine years, and. And you know whats inspiring is that these students, who are now in ukraine, we had a meeting in lviv, ah, what, well, they are very intelligent people, they are very is responsible for its mission, they understand that they need to return home, that they need to change, and they tell that in reality everything is not as bad as it is depicted, but. We need to take certain actions on the part of the state and at the International Level in order to stop russia, well, you saw the decision regarding the prohibition of teaching in the ukrainian language, unfortunately, unfortunately, the decision regarding the crimean tatar language was not so, well, unambiguous, and i think that we need it. Still return to this issue, because actually we see that if the occupiers show certain figures regarding access to the native crimeantatar language, they have hardly changed, in fact we understand that this is such a large potomkin village, i dont know, this is a very important topic , which deserves a separate broadcast, and i hope. That in our other broadcasts of the tv channel we will discuss this topic in more detail, the topic of the crimean tatar language and the ukrainian language, the suppression of these languages on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula, thank you very much, mr. Valentin, that found time and joined our broadcast, the head of the National Advocacy department of the Almenda Civic Education Center was with us on the broadcast, we talked about education in crimea, more precisely about ukrainian education for residents. It is still available, it is still possible, and we believe that the best crimean schoolchildren actually come to ukrainian universities and study, if only the ukrainian state would help them. Stay with us, we will meet next week in korushkenja, goodbye, congratulations, friends, on the air saturday polyktum on tv on the espresso channel, dmytro dzidorov and vitaly portnikov, today we analyze the most important events of this week, which we on. As usual, we talk with our guests, and our first guest today is vasyl bodan, veteran of the foreign intelligence service, lieutenant general, good evening , glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, congratulations, mr. Vasyl, so lets start with this offensive in the direction of kharkiv, it is generally an offensive, a diversionary operation, an attempt to seize some area in the immediate border proximity to russia, how do you assess what happens . Well, first of all, it is necessary to note the following that. Er, in his book the art of war, the famous strategist of ancient china , songza, spoke about the fact that the conduct of war is based on tricks and on the rational calculation of commanders, on the basis of reliable and objective intelligence data. And you and i have been watching over the past few months, and the reports of the intelligence agencies. And the command of the ground forces, and the commanderinchief that it is not excluded that the enemy may launch an attack on kharkiv and to try again, for the second time, to step towards the capital of our country, the hero city of kyiv, and what happened yesterday demonstrated to us. To me, firstly, that the intelligence of the Ukrainian Special services are working, they have information, respectively, and tactical and strategic, and this is what the supreme command uses in its activities, the fact that the enemy did not succeed in making a breakthrough in the defense of the Ukrainian Armed forces on this part of the front, just proves that. The ukrainian side took appropriate measures in order to not allow such a tragic, strategic breakthrough of the Russian Armed forces, and the corresponding measures and Defense Structures and all the rest were implemented. Well, of course, now the situation, as we observe, has improved, it was possible to stabilize the situation there and. To localize it directly in the gray zone, although the fighting continues, the appropriate reserves have been drawn up there, and this is the course of events both according to the data of the general staff and of the regional militarycivilian Administration Says that there is no direct or indirect threat to the occupation of the city kharkov, that is, the contingent of ukrainian troops that is there, skillfully conducts relevant combat operations, hits the enemy, and his armored vehicles, and personnel, and creates conditions for the temporary occupation contingent of the Russian Federation in this area of the front did not have the opportunity to advance deep into the controlled ukraine. Of course, there are still problems, and the enemy clearly aimed to stretch the forces of the Ukrainian Armed forces along the entire large front, first of all to try to pull them away from the eastern direction, these are donetsk and luhansk regions, but there too, because the enemy will lose there too, it will not succeed, obviously, it will not be possible to capture. At the same time, yar, such a strategic settlement that leads to the agglomeration of slavyansk and kramatorsk, and these attempts by it to operate in different areas and with different forces testify that, despite the fact that the enemy is trying to change