Think that it was also used in other campaigns of this kind, and now we see that the authorities, the authorities really need to somehow switch public attention, channel it, to a certain, certain, we see the story with these consular services, which caused a lot of noise, and precisely in the noise, it seems to me that its main meaning was not that. The mobilization law would start working, the same thing is happening now with the public one, it is a way to shift attention, to cause such, you know, Something Like class hatred, now to the journalists, tomorrow it may be to some, i dont know the separate factions in the parliament, they will say that there are separate factions in the parliament, they take peoples money, they book someone there and so on and so forth in. A man can be turned into any on in any direction that will, well, will be issued useful, useful for the government, i think that its scapat should be treated exactly like this, it is an attempt to switch attention, of course, the public should not be given, offend, but treat it as if it is some kind of longterm strategy for after the war , well. Yes, when we begin the postwar period, i think that this is a tactic, and exactly as a tactic should be treated with these escapades. The chairman of the board of the National Public television of ukraine, mykola chernotytskyi, stated that pressure on the public broadcaster is inadmissible. According to him, society is ready for two options either to remain in the telethon with only news, or to expand broadcasting on the first channel, we either maintain parity conditions, or a model where the public expands its broadcasting on. The first channel, while i have to understand that this is legal, that it is not contradicts the decrees of the president , the decisions of the National Security council, we must have a guarantee that in the event of withdrawing from the marathon, we will not be accused of undermining National Security and starting to speak on our channel, the mediaar Journalistic Community called for an end to the pressure on broadcasting, but in this whole configuration they are quite often mentioned and compared. Public with a national telethon. Serhiy leshchenko, an adviser to the head of the president s office , said that without the telethon in ukraine, there would be media chaos, and attempts to discredit it are part of russian propaganda. Lets listen to what leshchenko said. The telethon was created for this purpose, to be a source of verified information, not fakes. And it is clear that one of the methods of russias struggle against ukraine is discrediting. Information that is transmitted verified information, information without fakes, without hype, as a matter of fact, that is why part of the russian information war against ukraine is being waged by discrediting the marathon, understanding that if there is no marathon, then there will be media chaos and in conditions of media chaos it is extremely easy to create provocations that split society and glorify ukraine internally in the face of russian aggression. So, ladies and gentlemen, leshchenko says that after. Without the telethon there will be mediahouse, does this mean that before the war, when there were many tv channels, there was also a media house, but a structured media house, and now there will be a media house, which, according to leshchenko, is part of russian propaganda or part of the russian concept. Olga, what do you say about this . You know, i would say the following, paraphrasing the expression. Which we already use quite often, a large soviet army against a small soviet army, this is the big soviet. That is, russian propaganda against small soviet propaganda, that is, a single marathon. Lets call a spade a spade. I understand that the first month, the same terrible one, march of the 22nd year, so the marathon had spectators too, not to say that they were grateful spectators, they were shocked, frightened spectators who. Were afraid to turn off the tv, because it was the only connection with the authorities, with what was happening around, and it was necessary to somehow make sense of all the terrible things that fell together with the great invasion. Now we understand that the further we go, the greater the gulf grows between what the television says and what people talk about in the. Kitchens, my god, my god, in almost every family, if no one from relatives and friends are not at war, then there are friends, there are acquaintances, there are sources of information, and the gap becomes obscene, it becomes like in soviet times, this is a bad story for us, because, well, we cannot. Like that behave with citizens in such a way, we, i am talking about media people, yes, we cannot behave with citizens in such a way that they say my god, that tv just barks, you will not learn the truth there, and you need to learn, one woman said, you need to to find out from telegram channels, mostly anonymous, that is, eh. Absolutely distorted, distorted reality comes out of us, well, so the audience again, both viewers and readers, they learn again, uh, to catch the truth between the shots, between the lines, that is, those who lived in soviet times, thats what it is, you know , a skill that we already thought was lost a long time ago, can return here, because if you want to know the truth, you have to extract it drop by drop from where to extract it, well, its almost impossible, well , for me its, you know, such a question is whether. It is possible during the war, when talking to society, to get away with 100 of propaganda, without propaganda, for me it s an open question, i dont have an answer to it, and if its not possible, what percentage of propaganda should there be in that absolutely bleak picture of reality. Which fashionistas must give people, so that they do not have a distorted idea of what is happening, and whether it is even possible to ask questions like that, but i am absolutely sure that varnishing the reality, calming people down, saying that oh well, glory god, they give us weapons and money, and of course. There are certain problematic acts on the front, and there are such dramatic stories, but still, in general, the positive prevails, if we do not turn the mood of the society in the direction when people will start to decide personally, and not only their fate, in principle , this will begin , such processes will begin, which will then be difficult to reformat in society, and the responsibility, the responsibility of the media in this, is extremely great, that is, with propaganda at the. State level, i believe that it should be finished. Thank you. Olga. Maryna, why, in your opinion, is in principle logical. And the correct action of creating a channel, a single channel, a large channel from verified information, why are we still talking about the ineffectiveness of such a channel as a result, i. E. Was it not such completely verified information, or something, as ulya says, very there was a lot of propaganda, too much propaganda, which did not give an idea, well, a complete picture and does not give a complete picture of what is happening in. In ukraine, is this information policy, verification of this information, and propaganda carried out by people who, well, maybe not too qualified first of all, the quality of these people who work as editors, journalists and presenters is much better, and secondly, there is such a thing, look, unfortunately, it is impossible. To create a single, verified broadcaster in the conditions of the 21st century, when everyone has access to information in various forms. It is obvious that the only telethon, having received such a first success in 2022, should have developed, invested in some really interesting stories, and not reduced everything to such onesided propaganda, because, for example, quoting these words. Which you voiced, he just spoke in the framework of a single Television Marathon, and well, this is absolutely shameful, considering that serhiy ilyeshchenko was once a promising journalist, but i can say a few words about this quote of his that, oh, if we do not have a single Television Marathon, there will be mediahouse, please excuse me, just the other day we spoke with tetyana nikolenko, she is a very famous ukrainian. Journalist, my colleague on the censor website, and it so happened that they worked for a long time with Serhii Leshchenko, creating ukrainian truth, and tetyana said a very important thing na alas, Serhii Leshchenko forgets one point, that when in the early 2000s, during the time of leonid kuchma, medvedchuk, there were temniks, people did not look for the only verified information on the inter tv channel, they went to look for alternative sources of information, and thus the ukrainian. Got the first buz for its growth, and when we look at the development of alternative youtubes, alternative online media there, then people went to look for information not on a single telethon, you know, i can say, for our own projects , we constantly look at analytics, and there is a huge influx of several categories of the population, that is, conditionally young people who were not going to watch that television product. Which gives a single telethon, that is, those people who go to the authors and watch those products that they consider necessary, and a huge influx even pensioners, pensioners have mastered elementary youtube and they go to look for an alternative to the only Television Marathon, and this indicator is absolutely on all our friendly youtube channels, we asked colleagues who are engaged not only in politics, but historical channels, cultural channels, and everyone just in. An explosion of people of completely different categories, because everyone was simply fed up with a single Television Marathon, it doesnt work, but the authorities are afraid to admit that a single Television Marathon did not justify itself, and therefore it is okay this shame, shame and hatred towards the public. Thank you , marina, oleksiy, if the current government had asked you what to do with the national telethon, you would have been a media consultant. Of several political groups and parties, if you were asked, here is oleksia, what, what should we do, in we have such a national telethon, there are many tv channels, a large budget, but the effectiveness is there, how many 30 of ukrainian citizens or 40 watch the telethon, well, at least i have come across such statistics that what do they need to do in order for this tool to work, well, before eh. To answer your question, i would still like to apply the same method as when answering the question about the bason, i am just curious about whom, as they say in certain circles, leshchyn crumbles the loaf, he says that they are not satisfied with the marathon, russia is unhappy that russia arranges actions against the marathon, well, we know that the biggest critic of the telethon in recent times has been the United States state department. I do not think that the state department of the United States, although there are different rumors, but that it works so directly for russia. The second point, if we talk about the fact that we have. A democratic country, we, the country, so to speak, are the vanguard of freedom in the fight against totalitarianism, we were told that there is no version of the darkroom, and that journalists adhere to certain standards, providing information actually, exclusively at the call of ones own soul. I have a question, in this case, why should they all be in the same marathon, which. They all understand very well, give verified information, but they do not coordinate it with the president ial administration, do not verify it in the president ial administration in some shadowy way, they can safely publish their news, working to the same standards as they have been working for the last two years. The third point, if mr. Leshchenko says that the task of the marathon was to create verified information, then v public participates in this marathon. Who issues verified information, obviously, at least in this case, there is no claim against him, not even on the part of ms. Bezuglai, i have a question, maybe it was such an attack on ms. Bezuglai that she interferes with the submission of verified information to the public , i. E. , if you say that we have a media system, in case. We have a media house, then it seems to me that we now have a media house, because we do not understand what mr. Leshchenko means, it is some kind of porridge, no there is no logic in this, none at all my advice, which of course no one asked me except you, but nevertheless, i worked even before i consulted, i worked at the inter tv channel that was mentioned. And i remember the story with kuchmas presidency with the united information. Then they also said that the main thing is not to rock the boat and give verified information. This was the main motive in creating this unified information policy. I then told the people who organized this unified information policy that it would not work like that, and no, and, more precisely, it would work in the complete opposite way, because creation. Er a single monolith that doesnt differentiate on each channel, meaning there are many channels but they all tell the same thing, like in the soviet union, it results in the fact that for people it merges into one channel, and one of many , because there are other channels, and now, thank god , we have various others, so to speak, even technological ones, there are social networks, there are youtube, there is. There are messengers and so on and so forth, and it seems to me that people they go there not at all because they are bored with the marathon, these are parallel processes, people they master what, what they are interested in, what is more efficient, what is available gives a more, so to speak, attractive picture for them, a picture of the world, a way of presenting information and so on, there are also bubbles, of course , but nevertheless, it just coincided that the disappointment in the marathon, if someone had a fascination, also coincided with a change in habits, habits of the audience, in these conditions, of course, the marathon is doomed, if in the near future, we will not have changes and in the direction that there should be pluralism, for the people, pluralism first of all, it will simply turn into another ut1. Which existed during the time of the same leonid kuch, so the question is that if someone wants to save the patient, then changes are needed, and if nothing is changed, then he will simply end his life quietly and imperceptibly for the world, and here against the background of the fact that happening around the public and statements about this media house, information appeared that journalists return to the council. After the journalists get access to the meetings of the Verkhovna Rada, they will work on a rotational basis due to the lack of seats in shelters, said yaroslav yurchyshyn, head of the committee on freedom of speech. Zmi representatives will also be prohibited from conducting online broadcasts from the parliament. Ola, as a longtime journalist, you have been accredited to the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine for decades. How, how do you perceive this absence, a twoyear absence from the parliament, and. And what did it give to the authorities and what did it not add to journalists and society . Well, actually, when i read it , the head of the. Apparatus, i think, told the council about it, the lack of a fullfledged bomb shelter, and you know, the first thought, really a person who has been accredited in the rada for many years, i apologize, go down to minus one, where is the buffet, well, it is a completely local bomb shelter, classic with two exits, well, who cares about those people who work in this parliament as a journalist. For many years, and forgive me, i simply will not develop the subject of bomb shelters, because , well, the communication transitions between the council buildings, they themselves were constructively, at one time, planned precisely as a bomb shelter, so, forgive me, this is a bureaucratic refusal. What does it cause . Just a smile, there is a place to hide in the council, and you know, it sounds a little provocative, because we really say many times that there is a great need for bomb shelters for citizens, and kyiv, compared to other cities, is still in such a priority. The situation, because we have a subway, in other cities, in small towns, there is nothing there at all , that means, in the premises of the council, where there is, well, actually, minus the first floor, where they can accommodate and deputies, we have 20 seconds on the air, thank god, what journalists are returning to the council, in the conditions of martial law, it is. Simply necessary that the deputies come to their senses and work, at least under the supervision of the press. Thank you, olga musafirova, maryna danylyuk yarmalayeva, Oleksiy Mustafin were guests of our program today. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program. 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