Transcripts For ESPRESO 20240704

Conscription wave, during which up to 500,000 people could be called up, mostly needed to replace the 330,000 exhausted fighters currently fighting for front line, it says ff, maybe listen, you should not take everything written by western media as the ultimate truth, they make a lot of mistakes, often just quote the statements of some of our experts, sometimes experts in quotes, there is no question of any replacement, this. Simply unreal, and you know why this is happening, because in principle no one officially comments in ukraine, well, the law on mobilization, that is, the supreme commander, i remember the last comments about the 500 thousand demanded by the to mobilization, therefore arises the question, well, phi writes, i quoted him, but by the way, this story with mobilization, the law on mobilization can become one of the elements of this program of special ops. These informational and psychological perun, which we mentioned. Mr. Oleksiy, you did not say how likely it is that the russians will now use our Information Space and leak it in order to influence the situation in ukraine, or simply put, to destabilize the situation in ukraine. How do you currently assess russias capabilities and the tendency of ukrainians to behave on this pso . It is possible, i will comment a little more about. Comments, i completely agree with volodymyr, completely, the problem is different, the problem is that he all the words, as he said, are absolutely correct, the problem is that it should not be said by an expert , the president of ukraine should come out and say these words , well, thats what i said, and everything, everything, whenever they need, they bend all these factions, all these factions, the apparatus that serves everyone, what kolomoisky left there, what an undertone , opz when they need to, yeah they all go there under an article, so they vote as they should, and when they need to, listen, well, we understand this, we all, my lord, its not the first day in this country, and everyone perfectly understands, i would have come out, he said clearly, i put my authority, my rating , yes, because it is a state one, and now there is just a tossup, thats all, hot coals, so to speak, are being thrown at each other, anyway, the Verkhovna Rada is not popular in our country, yes, well. And it is completely there and it will stop, so to speak, with this mobilization law, and the majoritarians, very many deputies do not want to vote, because they know the local mood, especially the majoritarians, so that after voting for this law, if the state remains, of course, yes, but in 10 years they will remember this vote, well, such moods, i here you say, i am in order for there to be other options, but which was completely rejected by zelenskyi, yes, it would be to create a government of national. Unity and everyone, so to speak, so that everyone would answer, everyone, so to speak, stood up as guarantors , so to speak, the vote of this mobilization law, because it concerns our statehood. Regarding the russian ibso, answering the question whether the first, so to speak, in principle, i believe that i believed that in principle somehow our nationalization field copes more or less with the russian pso, people somehow still understand where. Objective information ends, where does the russian pso begin, but lately im starting to doubt something , and its based on my own example, just like that, i recently became the hero of a program by Diana Panchenko, who everyone knows very well in this field works, yes, who works from russia, already has more than a million on youtube, and this material about me was given to me by a Ukrainian Military yes. I asked him, why are you watching her at all . Well, because all the other shit, as he said, well , he means the telethon, and so on and so forth, he looks, and big, and now i see it. People who write to me, yes, a lot of people do not know her biography, nor where she comes from, in general, they perceive it as an alternative, just an alternative, this stupid russian ipso is perceived as an alternative in that is enough for the clumsy information policy that comes from the telethon, for example, lets take another example about ibso russian, here is yuas country, which works great, i constantly see photos. What they are going to do is shelling in kyiv, they immediately have a photo , that is, journalists are working, every day they post some kind of video where it is alleged that tsk workers are beating ukrainians, where the Ukrainian Military, allegedly the Ukrainian Military complain that they were completely abandoned , this is every day, every day for millions of people actions, of course, you have to look for some methods of countermeasures, otherwise, well, honestly. I say, otherwise, this, this, this turns into a huge problem, because, for example, i am sure that 80 of the relationship to mobilization, such a negative, this is also a rather successful work of the russian ipso. Thank you, mr. Oleksiy, mr. Igor, how can you resist this ipso . Well, look, first of all, we really need to change the approaches to information policy, they need a certain modernization, for now. Well, it wont work in a directive way, here its just in the context of some kind of alternative, the creation of an alternative to all anonymous telegram channels, by the way , with all due respect, but it seems to me that a certain responsibility for this coven organized by anonymous telegram channels in ukraine, including the office of the president , because he was the first to actively involve them in such information policy to merge various information through all telegram channels. Including attacking competitors and so on, and a significant part of people got hooked on channels that are not even prorussian, but in fact they very easily fall on some russian ipso and they publish it, including my own , i know enough, i monitor a large number of these telegram channels in such detail to see what is happening there, and there are planned actions, they are very visible, and unfortunately, not all of them come from russia, so it is necessary to do something with these anonymous telegram channels, to create some alternatives. Which will be checked, verified, and really here, well , i absolutely agree with mr. Alexim that it is necessary to simply give something, you know, in exchange for people, so that they stop reading all this, informative, sorry shit, i read some more or less relevant information, verified, which will correlate there, well, really with the issues that are in ukraine and give answers to more important issues that concern people, and well , the second point, of course here it is connected with by the fact that. It is necessary to somehow continue to suppress and fight against these russian propagandists, because even though they are sitting in russia, including some of our former fellow citizens, because i am convinced that all these persons, such and such shpanchenko and so on, they are a long, long time ago they also have russian passports, but somehow through youtube and other platforms, they have the opportunity to convey their information, so we need to work hard to block this opportunity for them. Thank you, mr. Igor, mr. Volodymyr, we have literally a minute left on the air, what should we do . With russian ipso, well , shit, not only in telegram channels, but oleksiy mentioned panchenko on youtube, unfortunately there is no less crap on youtube, there is crap on facebook too, i dont know if there is an account of that of Diana Panchenko herself, yes, but there is probably tiktok, lets remember, by the way, who are currently there, who want to come to the usa, i will perform in munich in february. There is 50 times more prorussian information than proukrainian information, 50 times, here is also an example, yes, that is why here the method of banning, unfortunately, one ban, will not solve the problem, especially since we cannot simply physically ban everything, the formal country of yua is prohibited , formal, but they constantly change their ip addresses there and so on, but to react quickly, to mark. The same about Diana Panchenko, so that there are constant mentions in various forms of where she is, who she works for, and so on, it is necessary to respond to fake and frank ones immediately, promptly, and here i definitely agree that a more balanced system is needed , we have to finish, sorry, volodymyr fesenko, igoriterovych and Oleksiy Holobutsky were guests of our program today, gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about this, did you pass . Russian police to destabilize the situation in ukraine, 26 think yes, 74 no, we put an end to that, it was the program verdict privi serhii rudenko, goodbye. There are discounts on lactial 10 in the pharmacies of plantain bam and ochadnik, there are discounts on valeriana bolgarska 10 in the pharmacies podorozhnyk bam taschat, there are discounts on noshpa tablets 15 in the pharmacies podorozhnyk bamto. 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Oleksii, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, we lets start with the issue of the bill on mobilization being considered by the committee, every time different information appears, which norms seem to have been agreed, then again they did not agree on management, many other things, well, but these are only general things that are now reaching journalists and the public , the main issues that are discussed and. Is there already an understanding of what we will get at the exit, or is there still a lot of work . In general, there is a question whether we will get anything at all at the exit, while i see that there is no desire to consider this law at all, well, see for yourself, submitting amendments to the second reading ended on february 21, for three weeks the committee on National Security and defense, well , it is not very clear what it was doing, somehow conceptually discussed this bill, the first day of consideration. It was only yesterday , march 12, that is, three weeks, yesterday the committee worked for less than an hour, something broke, there it made one decision, excluded the price. Regarding the limitation of accounts, bank accounts, cards, driving a car and so on , closed the meeting on this, they said it would continue today, today the meeting was canceled, thats why there is a feeling that there is no real, real desire to adopt this law, to establish a term of service, to give an opportunity to demobilize disabled people, to those who have been captured, to solve a number of other issues, it just doesnt exist, well, thats how it looks. And he is actually not moving at the moment, here the question arises, here is the rule regarding the permission or ban on driving vehicles for those people who do not register in time at the territorial contact centers, then there will be bans as soon as possible, then there will not be, yes only about deposits, regarding cards, people overwrote some, withdrew money from banks, some overwrote accounts there, there was also a lot of trouble with these cars, and now they say, lets not do it, that is, well. Well, just a question, these people who take similar edits, they consult with experts, with assistants , well, there are goals there, consulting consulting groups in the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine, people on the payroll who can advise, say, this is necessary, this is not necessary, because this is the nightmare of people, it does not lead to anything good, yes, and it does not have any results, the most important thing is that its all absolutely, i absolutely support the fight against dodgers, because everything is obvious here. This struggle should be effective, not an imitation of violent activity and should not destroy, you know, so that there is no such struggle for peace that no stone is left on top of another, well, so as not to destroy everything around, that is why it is strange, and really one norm , another, excluded, added, taken away, i do not know in which specific final form this draft law will be voted on, but i cannot answer this question for you, i do not know even when it will be, well. What it should have been wrong, well its 100 , should have been completely different. I have been appealing since december of last year, saying do not make this 72page bill into some kind of gigantic, monstrous, complex one, make 10 bills on different topics, and we will calmly vote on them quickly, one, that, that one, where necessary, we will change it , but each particular draft law, all of this was lumped together, this pile is not going anywhere now. There is not much desire to move it either, at this time tens of hundreds of thousands of military personnel are waiting for the determination to the answer to the question of how long they should serve , because they cannot serve forever, they are living people, and they do not get tired, exhausted, and this one, what with rotations, and so on, and so on and so on, all these questions, and there are no answers to them, but the peoples deputies were supposed to meet at the beginning of february, the meeting was postponed. Well, at least the plenary meetings at the beginning of march were canceled, sorry, oh, from the beginning of march, so sorry, its already march, and now they say that there were also meetings on march 2023, and they too allegedly will not take place in the plenary mode , now they are already saying that it is supposed to happen, now they are saying that it is supposed to happen, look, tomorrow the meeting of the Verkhovna Rada will take place , but it will be like that, there is a statement about condemning the elections in russia, well, the elections for the coronation of putin, which is clearly nothing in common. There are no elections , and there are several, and there are such ratifications, denunciations, well, that is, nothing so important and serious, later next week, whether there will be meetings or not, there is no clear answer, but even if there will be, judging by the entire mobilization bill they wont be on them, because the mobilization demobilization bill wont be on them, because so far a little more than 4,200 amendments have been passed. Another 300, and that because , as i said, with one edit they collapsed an entire chapter and thats it, because the rest is unclear, i have one more question, you know, it doesnt always attract peoples attention, because complex titles, complex topics, and not Everyone Wants to understand, but i want you to just briefly clarify, if the state oblenergo was merged into private hands, i will briefly read the announcement so that people understand what we are talking about, so on december 23 in 2016, six Regional Energy companies changed the composition of their supervisory boards, their main shareholder is ukrainian distribution networks, a stateowned company. Under the control of Energy Minister herman galushchenko. In all cases, the owners voted for the transfer of power to minority shareholders. This is stated in the article of the whistleblower journalist yuriy nikolov. This means that the newly elected supervisory boards have the right to appoint the heads of the oblenergo board. Most of the members of the five oblenergos, except mykolaiv oblenergo, were elected precisely from the submission of minority shareholders. Through theirs the subordinate status of salaried employees gives the impression that they are following external instructions. According to nikolov, there are reasons to believe that the decisionmaking center with. Is located precisely in the ministry of energy under the leadership of herman gluchenko, well, as they say, the head of energy in the office of the president shurm said that this is not his topic, there is no reaction from zelenskyy yet , is there a threat that, as they say, under the noise. Such a war, under the roar of war, someone thinks how to make money from it, and there it is about enough serious money, unfortunately, i think it is quite possible, i am not ready to comment on this, i did not understand this particular topic, but the fact that, unfortunately, corruption in the country has not been overcome, it seems to me that it is obvious to everyone, this is an extremely serious challenge, and it really feels like someone is at war, someone doesnt notice it anymore, as we just said that. Thank you very much, mr. Oleksiy, thank you for your comments, oleksiy goncherenko, people s deputy of ukraine, we talked about the draft law on mobilization, well, this is the topic, its just that its been composed so far, well, mr. Oleksiy said that he is not yet not in the topic globally, well, actually , it is not his, not his topic, not his profile, but those who could comment on it, because, well , it is still difficult to comment on, because it is called. Surnames, when it comes to certain surnames, a certain reaction is expected from the president s office, who will say so, or maybe it is somehow well written by nikolov, maybe it is, he writes in such a way that we will wait for the reaction of the president of ukraine, because maybe it is a partisan outing of some people, who would like again under the roar of this war, under the roar of guns and the roar of tanks to make money on energy, because as they say, oblenergo will. Work always and will always have and will always have a profit, because utility services, no matter what, everyone pays, so well, but we we will follow this topic, we will follow it, because now it is really important, and for now i have a little bit about everything here, and the espresso tv channel together with volunteer yevgeny rosenblatt handed over 50 fpvons for the soldiers of the 81st separate aeromobile brigade, they are holding back the onslaught enemy under belogoriv in the luhansk direction, we thank everyone for their donations, we are getting closer to victory together, i want to thank the readers and the team from the press for collecting and making the following drones, we are carrying out tasks in the eastern direction, and these drones will help us destroy the enemy, thank you all, together to. Victory , glory to ukraine, well, its really an important matter, donating, and even more so there are 50 drones, 100 drones, one drone too, whoever can, its an important matter, and our soldiers at the front know it for sure. Alyona yatsina is with us, a journalist from sumy oblast, lets talk, mrs. Alyona, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, yesterday the enemy struck sumy oblast, well, at night, they struck sumy oblast, please tell me. The consequences of this enemy attack and, well, the most important thing is the people there, well, in the second place, the infrastructure, the buildings, please, tonight, oh, at night , a Russian Rocket crashed into the fifth floor of sumy, it was an ordinary, ordinary panel house, and currently there is not one entrance, the number of dead has not yet been announced , even approximately. Official authorities do not they do not announce anything, however, it is already known and confirmed about at least two dead people, they were pulled out from under the rubble. The demolition of the debris is still ongoing, the fire is still contained, but the fire, rescuers are working at the scene, 10 people were rescued by the rescuers at night today, eight of them are injured and three are currently injured. Remain in the hospital, they are in medium and serious condition, you are talking about the fact that the number of dead is not known yet, but only two people have already been buried under the rubble, this is because, you know, like yesterday in kryvyi rih, for example, there was , when people there said that i had someone there, but he is gone, obviously he is dead, and it was possible to say that there might be several people there, well, they knew, maybe there is simply no such information here, or here thats not the point here, im not saying that it is necessary to name some now. Numbers, well, how many died , its absolutely not necessary, but im just wondering why, isnt there a clear understanding of how many people there could be, and maybe there was no one there, ill call the number 15 apartments that no longer exist, it was night , people slept at home, and there is no entire entrance, there are 15 apartments, you can see now not in the video, there is no entire span in the building, and the situation there as of an hour ago. We were literally at the scene, and the situation has improved a little, but to find someone there, and establish for sure that the person himself died, that he was at home. It is not possible yet, i think this is the reason, there are already lists of people who have gone missing, but their number is not mentioned, it is a fivestory building, yes, as far as i understand, or so, five floors, that is, five floors , the chessboard crashed into the third floor of the building, and Everything Else turned out just like that, like a house of cards down, well, i wonder if there were similar arrivals before . It was in this area or in this settlement that these shaheds first flew, i know that the enemy is always somewhere there, well, those settlements that are in a fivekilometer zone there, a 20kilometer zone there are periodically shelled by artillery, but there other cities somewhere are either shaheds or some or other trouble, sumy is a city that is guarded, and that is why the shaheds hit us, on luck, this is a big. Bone was, then last week three shaheds flew over the city, then we managed without casualties, two shaheds also hit civilian houses, but then we managed without such significant destruction, there were people who were injured, but then it happened, it was the first time the sums felt such a blow, although in the summer we also had a blow to the house by a shaheed, then one of the entrances collapsed and. The house, then the entrance was called out , recognized as an emergency, now it will be disassemble completely, if im not mistaken, then we lost two people, but it was a blow in the middle of the night, it was a day, a working day , people were not at home, and so, unfortunately, this time, when it happened at night, the number of victims, unfortunately, could be higher, and the enemy has already chosen such a frank one, well, it is in odessa, we have seen it before. With the same shaheeds there, now we see it in kryvyi rih and in sumy, just cynical, open blows on residential buildings without the fact that they fell somewhere, or they hit him, he fell somewhere, well, a direct, direct hit, here and we simply see that they are houses, well, not new, yes, lets say, directly, i dont know what years it is there, the 70s, 80s, but panel houses, unfortunately, unfortunately, are built like card houses, and we saw it in dnipro as well once when the rocket came, it er. Gives very little chance, and so i will briefly ask if the work is being done on the arrangement of shelters, i understand that not all people go at night, because shahedis, well, thats how people think that it , well, many people think so, he will not fly, but unfortunately, is the work on arranging some shelters going on in the basement house, we understand that in such a house, if you were sitting in the basement, you are just as under the rubble as if you were not sitting in the basement, well , can a person still suffer in that basement, because it fell asleep, it fell, and it is not known when will get it, please. In sumy, the shelters that already exist are being set up, these are the simplest shelters, again, these are the basements of houses, these are the shelters that were built in soviet times, they are being repaired with budget funds, on the border, however, new ones are also being built shelter, there they are, as the last time showed us, the previous two years, they were more needed there, however, in sumy people do not have a voice to go to the shelter and. Now it is not changing either, we have air alarms, this is the second day in a row, they simply do not stop, if you see sumy oblast on the map, it is constantly red , the alarms last for several hours in a row and are interrupted, well, god forbid, for half an hour, now i hear sirens again, dear to us , because who owns it, it belongs to the Regional Military administration, or the city military administration, or the state Emergency Service, or the police, who should announce when it will be. It will be known, well work continues, as far as i understand, rescue work continues , when it will be known whether they will save someone , unfortunately, they will still find the dead people, we have to wait, is there information from anyone, who should officially announce it, we are waiting for information from ov , they usually give a summary twice a day, in the morning and in the evening , of what happened there, but we are still waiting for a report from the state Emergency Service that the operation is over and after that. I think the police or ova herself or the Prosecutors Office should announce the exact number dead, or name the number missing persons, confirmed missing persons. I will also briefly ask what the humanitarian situation is in sumy, well, in sumy oblast, it is different in different, in different communities, so it is like this, you know, how to determine the average temperature in a ward, there is a different situation everywhere, what is closer to the border, what is further from the border, somewhere and