Eh, or in this situation, any step towards Nuclear Weapons will push us away from the civilized world, from the north atlantic alliance, and in the end, how do you assess the fact that russia can use our Nuclear Power plants as a weapon, that is, we know , which is now under the control of the zaporizhzhia as, already directorate. The iaea appealed to russia to free the territory of the zaporizhia Nuclear Power plant, but no one is going to do that, and yet ukraine is subject to this nuclear blackmail, and not only ukraine, but the whole world, and this is happening in front of the eyes of the whole world . Well, unfortunately, we have to decide if we start developing Nuclear Weapons, unfortunately, we are in a position where. Dependent on our allies at this stage, we may be given an ultimatum that we cannot refuse , that is, there is no needle in the bag hide, and all our endeavors or designs may be known, become known to our allies as well as to our enemies, and it will be used primarily against us, so that if we were even on the same level as israel really is, which conducts. A more independent policy and has opportunities , including financial ones, to use it for its defense, then i think the situation might be a little different, but at this stage in the coming decades, until we complete all those, including and financial obligations to our allies, i dont think we we will go the way of creating our own Nuclear Developments of our own, but i emphasize, i emphasize once again that. That there is an opportunity to ensure our security with nonNuclear Weapons, and it will be quite effective if the enemy knows that we can use of course not nuclear fissionable warhead missiles, but they will fly through their centers, as they themselves like to call decisionmaking, i think it will be quite unpleasant. For them and it can be used much more effectively than we unfortunately had before it, so us we need to work on those weapons, on missile weapons, on unmanned systems, and i think that in this way we will put any enemy in place, this is one of those elements that will allow us to be ready and keep them in the air, unfortunately , the most effective method is indeed joining the euroatlantic union. Mr. General, lithuanian military intelligence believes that the Russian Federation will have sufficient resources to wage war against ukraine at the current intensity for at least two more years. At the same time, according to the institute for the study of war, which is located in the United States of america, russia has already deconserved from 25 to 40 of its strategic tank reserves, and removed the best equipment from storage, how do you think russia will fare in this war, or will they just fight this war against ukraine until the end the russians in order not to lose this war and in order to prove , well, first of all to the world, that they are ready for a big war and they. Prepared for it and they have enough resources, well, lets be honest, the resources are not enough, but unfortunately , psychology the enemy at this stage is very difficult to predict. Vat their actions, because their psychology is just kind of crazy. In fact, all economists and all experts really believe that the 24th and 25th years are the last years when russia can stay afloat with that intensity, without outside help from some of its own, i dont know who its allies are can attribute there, it is not capable of waging a longterm war of attrition, if. They run out of resources or are depleted, then on our side, the opposite is observed a situation where mechanisms are being launched in europe and the United States and in the world in general, where opportunities are being sought to renew production, increase its capacity, implement certain projects, including in ukraine, so once again i emphasize against this whole background. In them, uh , the situation will worsen, in our country, i still wish, well , i believe that it will improve, uh, and in reality , all economists say that the 26th year is the critical year, in which russia can simply leave , well, not at all ready for further actions, as far as they can withstand this one marathon, the situation is not unclear. In their economic terms, the internal situation deteriorates significantly and they really may not be ready for certain social explosions, not some kind of sociopolitical ones, but rather social ones, well , we saw what happened if the eggs disappeared somewhere, the chickens ran out, some more there are moments, so you have to understand that it will be manifested in many facts in the future. I agree with some of the conclusions and really we just need to see this marathon through to the end. You, mr. General, as a professional, do what you can to explain why europe could not calculate the largescale war for which the Russian Federation was preparing, why it turned out that the weapons that were being prepared and the forces. Which were preparing in europe for a potential confrontation with the Russian Federation, turned out to be not as big, or lets say, not as powerful, as the current time requires, why is europe catching up now, why couldnt they in the think tanks just calculate such a situation . Well, listen, they did not calculate the situation, that ukraine will withstand more than three days, or how many . Lasted a week, that is, the miscalculations are very serious, and i think that the conclusions were drawn, no one expected that in the 21st century someone would solve the issue in the center of europe with weapons, even Nuclear Weapons, god forbid, but of course with weapons, that is why this period after the collapse of the soviet union, everyone in europe believed that. There are no more monsters, we can democratically agree on everything, if any issues are economic, well, the last ones are russias attempts to earn money for gas, for those phobias, thats all it was attributed to the fact that, well, the market, they are not quite ready yet, they want to make money with such thieving methods, but no one thought that. That their plans are not just farsighted, but barbaric, that is, not its just there to take control of the country politically and destroy it physically, thats why the situation has probably happened that over the last 30 years , some countries that have not seen war since 1945 have relaxed, i cant name another word. Although those countries that are close to russia and understood what it is russia the soviet union, what is russia , the same finland that had it in its reserve and was preparing for possible actions without being tied to russia or anyone else, it was simply preparing because they understood , that the nation is small, it is necessary to survive, and they are against this background. There, you know, prepared enterprises and stocks and Storage Facilities for people and for some things, that is. The countries were different, but the same situation was with the baltic countries, who understood who they lived next to and understood that it was all that simple maybe not to finish, that is why they tried to join nato as soon as possible, and to reach the big countries that not everything, not everything , what russia says is true, it must be looked at very carefully, so i emphasize once again. Most of the countries that have not known war and upheavals for a long time , they were really unprepared, and i dont know, there would be no misfortune, there would be no happiness, misfortune led, that is why they are now actively working to change all this, improve it, i i read the situation that existed in the 14th year in the bundeswehr, where er. The number of tanks, planes, of helicopters and ships that were able to directly take part in one or another military operations was less than 50 , and also if you take into account that about 10 of the bundessphere spoke russian, because an extremely large number of people from the soviet union tried to get benefits as servants. In this, well, in the army, it seemed like such very, very, very scary thoughts, so thank god that it is as it is, it is good that they raised these issues and are working towards improving their defense capability. Sir general, i want to ask you about the statement of the pope about the white flag and negotiations with russia, but in the context of the existence, the further existence in ukraine, of russias branch. Orthodox church , we see how the kremlin skilfully uses and tries to use the church, because on the territory of the Russian Federation the Russian Orthodox church has already turned into a subdivision of the kremlin, they openly campaign for the russians to go and kill ukrainians, the pope talks about some kind of peace, about that have two sides must have sit down at the table for peaceful negotiations with the pope , obviously already after our victory. Obviously, there will be a conversation of the ukrainian state, well, accordingly, it is possible that now there will be some kind of statement regarding the vatican state, because the pope of rome heads this state, what concerns the roc, the branch of the roc in ukraine, why do you think we cant put an end to it quickly in the existence of this church, well, frankly, we understand everything and we can do everything, but we still have to live in the world that exists, in which it is bad or good, so we have to go to in the end, these are all legal, such causistics, such that we reach the level where there will be no claims against us and the legal mechanisms for the destruction of this church are clearly spelled out in the legislation, you cannot choose another word, but you cannot write a test advertisement, because unfortunately,. It has influence in the world, it has its agency not only in the form of some representatives of the Russian Orthodox church in one or another state, but they actively work with other orthodox churches, they work with some egovernments, they actively work in the vatican itself, there is an active representation there in the form of the Russian Ambassador in the vatican. A direct contact from the Russian Orthodox church, who is in direct contact with the pope, that is, there are a lot of such moments that indicate that the Russian Orthodox church is also used in the world for discrediting, for example, they ordered a significant, well, i understood through whom and even it is known whose money it is, such a significant lobbying campaign in the United States, where they talk about oppression. True believers and so on and so forth, therefore it is necessary just go through all those legal points, i know that the law is on its way out, it is imperfect, but it is imperfect in terms of the implementation of our intentions, but it, if it is followed and if we follow the letter of the law, i think the time will come, when we really get rid of this cancer for good. Which, unfortunately, has spread quite huge metastases in our er organism of ukraine. Mr. Generals, thank you for the conversation, this was viktor yagun, Major General of the sbu reserve. Deputy head of the sbu in 201415. Friends, we are working live on the tv channel espresso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those who are now watching us live there. Please like this video and vote in our poll. Today, we ask you about whether the criticism of the popes words about the negotiations with the Russian Federation is valid. 0800 211381. Yes no. 080021138. All calls to these numbers are free, vote on youtube, everything is quite simple, yes, no, or write your comment, please under this video. Next, we have viktor boberenko, political expert, expert of the bureau of policy analysis. Mr. Victor, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. Good health to you, i am also very glad to see you. I actually wanted to start our conversation with zelenskys statement that he made after the event. Today, the supreme commanderinchief is betting that ukraine is building 200 km of fortifications in three lanes. The report of Prime MinisterDenys Shmyhal on the pace of construction of new defense lines was heard today, and this is a largescale construction that has just begun, the pace is good, i expect for timely completion, zelenskyy wrote in his telegram channel. Mr. Victor. Are you 30 km or 35 km from the Russian Federation in the city of sumy, are there any fortifications in the sumy region, because we see the intensity that the russian occupiers are using in attacking the sumy region for the last month or three weeks, so exactly, are there these fortifications, if it is not a military secret, well. Of course a military secret, where they are located, at what depth, or far from enemy or not, and lets say so, excursions even from journalists along such conditional maginot lines or manerheim lines, or whatever you can call the shmyhal line or the yarmak line, the zelensky line, i dont know the line, but they dont care, they dont care, about as much as i have information from the military themselves, there is information from open sources, well, there is actually common sense, of course, on the one hand, such fortifications need to be built, on the other hand, the territory of the same sumy region, it is divided by the siym river, in fact on southern and the northern side, and the northern side we understand that if it is. The enemy will advance on two operational, lets say , operationalstrategic units, if they will advance in the north of the region, then it will be the shostka valley and further along the kiptibachivsk highway there, well to the kyiv region, but there, on the right, seven bridges have been torn down, there, their pontoons have been removed and everything, and they have been covered again, they can advance , of course, as they tried to advance through the rear of kharkiv through the rear of kharkov, and there they must of course build and. And that if concerns sumy region, but i think that first of all they should build in the east and south , where the main battles are taking place, here, lets say, a front of secondary importance, of low intensity under sumy, although it is undoubtedly there, people are dying, are flying, the iskanders are hitting the sums there, and the suburbs, that is, we were in svidov all the time, but it doesnt matter, its not kupyansk, its not. Its not ugledar, where they are now advancing and its not a robot, it is a little less, i hope that they are building, that we know from open sources that very often there is such a hop, it comes across 45 million information to the consolidated reference point, and you think, if there is a third assault unit on the front somewhere near avdiivka, where there are just a lot of guys there, you ask, and you ask what are we building and a palok there, like some kind of money, is there an allocation . That where the combatant will knock out there or Something Else , some volunteers bring the forest there somewhere else that we dig ourselves and everything here is the same platoon base point 45 million it seems, well, what should it be made of, maybe there are golden toilets there, who knows, and that is why there are many questions all the more so that such a guy ran out, its interesting how kyrylo tymoshenko, he is already an adviser to the minister of defense and everyone can say vitya , well, the ministry of defense is not the manager of the funds for the bu yes, okay, but the ministry of defense will take the act of acceptance, that is, whoever built it, whether the Regional Military administrations minregion, and whoever built it. Will accept the balance of the ministry of defense, thats right , and tymoshenko will appear here, he will say there, guys, build for 45 million, its not enough, build platoon commanders for 100 million, we will accept , we will accept everything for the balance, its not difficult for us, so, that is a person with absolutely no reputation, a person who is connected, connected there, well, heres the phrase, big theft, and immediately the associative series who, kirill . Tymoshenko, only you will knock out, kill big theft in google and you will be knocked out, and here he is again playing the leading roles. There is a feeling that if in the office of the president there is no concept at all of reputation, yes, there is such a thing as that reputation is a resource, and why are you throwing the fox into the henhouse, well , well, i have no words, but after the platoon reference points for 45 million and. After kyryla tymoshenko, i think , well, they have allocated, they have now allocated 31 billion. On the one hand, i understand very clearly that it is not possible to write something in the tender conditions, well, do not publish the tender for now, but conduct the tender , so that we can see later, i would really like the Security Service of ukraine to check everyone, what brand of cement there is, what else, because if right now these 31 million, they will build something, accept something. On balance, something will be reported, zelensky will be taken somewhere, where will be potomkinska village and where will everything be ok, everything is perfect, but for 2000 km , maybe 10 support points will be ideal, and the rest are there for whatever reason, that is, when zelenskyi brags, i immediately have suspicions, just like before the largescale construction during the first part of his prewar presidency. So i would, i do not consider them to be gentlemen and i would like them to be checked, if we cannot do it now, okay, for certain reasons, but it is necessary that either we do it later, or the competent authorities do it now. Mr. Viktor, Volodymyr Zelenskyy is still bragging about the fact that ukraine will now have a new ambassador, great britains general zaluzhnyi , although not a general, i understand, is already a retired general, because. There was information that he passed the military medical commission, he was declared unfit, as was serhiy shaptala, the former chief of the general staff of the armed forces forces of ukraine, but the question is actually not about zaluzhny himself and not about shaptal, because we are talking about 16 generals who were dismissed, and therefore the question is probably more about personnel policy in general, because we are witnessing how 16 generals who fought since 2014 on on the russianukrainian front resigned and there is not a single message, and that the same general zabrodskyi, the same general naev, the hero of ukraine, will be sent through the vlk with these generals, why do you think the office of the president of ukraine does not even try to explain, but what happened and what actually happened to these people, so because. There is nothing to explain, because kuleba declared oh, how good, what a good, wellconsidered decision to send the brave man as an ambassador to britain, and before that release the brave man it was the right decision, and here we are for some reason we dont hear any comments, not only from the president s office, from the peoples servants in general , from anyone, they are like water in their mouths, they think this issue is taboo for them, and they dont want to conduct a dialogue with society, he even brushed it off. on february 25, when a japanese journalist asked him this question, he was like, its none of your business, its our internal affairs, and volodymyr oleksandrovich, millions, millions of people are interested, why, why, there are no explanations, there will be no explanations, but the question will remain, information policy in general states, they either keep silent, or reject, or brag. Uh , in general, strategically, they talk to society, as with small children, as with teenagers, uh, as adults there tell about santa claus, something to children, yes, and they want to prove something so that children believe, so actually, er, well, in the president s office they think that you and i are children, and now they will tell us about santa claus, but they will tell about santa claus, that is, he is not there, they are talking about him, but about sex. They dont tell although we may be interested, like teenagers, yes, but they dont tell us, because the topic is taboo, thats how we actually talk about santa claus there, and the fact that we are very interested, what is behind their keyhole, no one ever explains. Leprosy, this analogy is interesting to me, and its a road to nowhere, because this leads to mistrust, yes, lets be honest, you and i know about the elements of political technology, it doesnt matter if some part that rested , stared into a single marathon, they will believe, but first of all , the number of those who believe is decreasing, because they see lies left and right when they look, and thats it. The number of these people is decreasing, as they once decreased, you know, when everyone watches the vremya program, well , they only believe the weather forecast, and then there, and then its not sure, everyone reads the newspaper, but between the lines, and everyone is waiting for Something Like that on television, or obituaries, or something about ballet, yes, they are waiting for tchaikovsky, but it seems that everything is there, but no one believes, soon the only marathon together with. The office of the president and the scumbag are playing along to this very thing, well, but these are the numbers that were made public on the eve of the announcement that zaluzhny is going to london, the numbers of the social media, that zaluzhny wins in the second round of zelensky in any case 67 there against 33 , or could this put the final point in this decision, because. It somehow looks very strange, because the announcement about the officials trip to london, it appeared between two opinion polls, one opinion poll was about the second round, well, president ial prospects, obviously, and on the other hand , information appeared from kmisu that what who are the leaders of the ukrainian opposition, they did not name zaluzhny in this survey, but people named three hundred. Hundreds named zaluzhny as the leader of the opposition, instead, the same survey of kmis gave first and second place to Petro Poroshenko and serhiy prytula, and the appearance of serhiy shelters among oppositionists is also a very big mystery, because i dont know the politician, the opposition politician serhiy prytula, i want to kill him, that is, i passed on all his statements, everything he said there over the past few years, well, no such a positioner, shelters, to what extent are these ratings, how much these numbers can and do influence the decisions of zelenskyis office, i am sure that these numbers are decisive for the construction of domestic policy, and the zaluzhny took off precisely because volodymyr oleksandrovich, who is a textbook narcissist, he these social studies, these social surveys , as he asks, you know, hello my little mirror, tell me the whole truth, really, everyone is nicer, its not you who gives the hop, and accordingly, here too, they have such a behavioral stereotype that yes, someone only whoever can leave the stage and drag the sunny one somewhere, he has to go somewhere, and that is why the industrious one is sent to london so that he will be away with the hope that they will forget about him, i think that away. This is what zelensky says, that volodymyr oleksandrovich, listen, he will soon be forgotten there, who remembers Nadya Savchenko there now , or, well, the same razumkova there, that their ratings there fell flat, they were flattened, but they are strategically wrong here, why, because if the people have already fallen out of love and become disappointed in zelensky, and this is the second time, but because before the war his rating was down, now it is down again, then for the third time they will definitely not like him. And that means they will look for anyone, and you see, even this very statement that why do the voters give shelter to an oppositionist, because anyone who is not zelenskyi, who is not zelenskyi, is also in opposition to zelenskyi, and shelter, okay , let there be a shelter, poroshenko, a shelter, there wont be , conditionally, if even a willing person refuses, says, no, i will categorically not go, there will be budanov, there will be anyone, if not zelensky, thats what zelensky. They cannot realize this, that now he would still win, but some time will pass and no longer, that is, now he will lose only to a good man, but time will pass and he will lose to anyone, and they cannot accept that this is all this is the end already, well, but look, despite all these stories, despite what is happening in the vlk, the business trip to london, we, we do not really know the position