Back in 2019, British Police services paid attention to this, to the circumstances of strange deaths, but all this was postponed for later. Now we see a picture, and what a picture it is, it is a picture of intimidation, consistent and brutal. Navalnys murder, after all , sends a clear signal that. To spain the pilot who flew to the ukrainian side. And if you look at the kremlins comments, there is triumph. I think it is also important that these very days it was struck in an absolutely serious way that russian oppositionists living outside the country must take a new look at their own. And this is evidenced by the murder of navalny and the beginning of the qualification of some public figures as terrorists by the kremlin. The kremlin started to give not only incomprehensible titles of foreign agents, which do not have a strong and dangerous projection, but rather extremist terrorists. Was called a terrorist and extremist by the kremlin, one of the first. Now they enroll new people there. Regarding all of them, these are direct threats from the kremlin. Converting these people into terrorists, you mean, would really work against you like a death sentence, because of martial law and all that. In this sense, the murder of navalny reads like this. At the exit we see. Well, i dont know what it is civilization proposal, this is roman baron ungern von sternberg, that is, the only thing is that china is not ready to actively support him in this matter, that is, putin has reconciled himself, he has thrown the mantle of this crazy daurian baron on his shoulders, so that, we understand, that is what he has there is a mobilized russian nation, he has an army, he has preparations for a new smersh and a long. Bloody war against ukraine, but well, it also has to go somewhere, or is he just going to implement all his cannibalistic plans that he voiced carlson, is there anything else . Yes, that is a very good comparison to baron ungern. It seems very appropriate to me, because many people now see and understand that putinism is no longer some kind of deviation, that is , behavior that does not correspond to the general. Standard of democracy, not some late soviet union with conformist democracy. Everyone can clearly see that the pathos of the conservative revolution has now been added to all this. Putin is entering a kind of mystical phase of his rule, raising a heavy degree of opposition to the west. Its already another level of it. In this sense of the word. Yes, its Something Like baron ungern or nationalmore. I also see the features of early fascism, a mixture of tsarism and fascism in the early phase, before it finally took shape. In this sense of the word, i would say that for putin , if it does not sound terrible, there is no other path than the path to the great war, which burns everything. Whats next, we look at it, we, of course, see less. How is the Russian Federation going to get out of this Political Tension that it has been dragged into for the past 10 years . Quiet humming of hryhoriy yavlinskyi from shout give a truce at any price, or some kind of game in antiwar sentiment, its hard to even say who. For boris nadiezhnin, it is a weak squealing of mice from under the plinth, compared to the colossal inertia that had already arisen not only during the war, but also in several previous years. It is obvious that this movement started in 2020 precisely, in its new phase, when the constitution was changed. Even then it was clear. That everything is moving towards a global conflict. I would say that we should be very careful and keep a big one stability, to focus on ursula fonderlajen and figures like her, that is, on people who do not succumb to panic, with no defeatist attitude, telling themselves that the usa is running away, the west is weakening, putin is winning, you cant say anything like that to yourself. In danger, one must stand with a straight back. To remember every day that for ukrainians who compete simply in the trenches, such burnout cannot happen. This is a matter of life and death. The same goes for european politicians, who do something every day in order to maintain a certain resilience of european societies. Im in it in the sense of the word , i look with great sympathy and respect at the new czech government, in particular. The czech leadership, which in this sense of the word. In the ranks of the best are not only leaders, but also cultural figures, public figures who clearly ask questions. No, putinism cannot win any victory under any circumstances. Thank you very much, oleksandra, for this extremely interesting and informative conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that oleksandr morozov, a political scientist, political expert who is currently working on espresso in the Czech Republic time of our program. 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Natalka didenko is already ready to tell us about the weather on the day of the arrival, as well as distinguished guests studio andriy parubiy, peoples deputy of ukraine, was also the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine. Events of the day. In two hours, vasyl zimas big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening at espresso. Good afternoon and welcome to the tetatet Interview Program on the france24 tv channel. Our guest today is Oleksandra Matviychuk. She heads the center for Civil Liberties in ukraine. The center was decent. Nobel peace prize in 2022 together with the russian Nongovernmental Organization memorial and the belarusian activist alesii bilyatsky. Thank you very much for the fact that you are visiting us today. Thank you for the invitation. After more than two years of war in ukraine, we all know about buchirpin and mariupol. What do you still find evidence of crimes in ukraine today . We have been documenting crimes for 10 years, because this war did not start in february 2022, in february 2014. When ukraine got a chance for a quick democratic transition after the fall of the authoritarian regime as a result of the revolution. And in order to stop us on this path, russia entered the game. Russia uses war crimes to intimidate. This is a conscious russian policy state russia is trying to break the peoples resistance and occupy the country with a tool that i call the immense pain of the civilian population. Thats why were documenting this pain in our joint database of the putin tribunal for just these two years of largescale secondment. It is a very hidden crime and people will dare to speak after a certain time has passed. Last weekend, russian drones hit residential buildings in odesa, killing entire families with children. Regardless of where the front line is, there is more in ukraine there is no safe place to hide from russian missiles. You and other ngos are trying to build a case for a special tribunal to try Vladimir Putin. You have a national tribunal, you have an International Criminal court, why create another tribunal . The problem is that we face a lack of accountability because there is no International Court that can prosecute. Of the russian state for the crime of aggression. Even the iss does not have such jurisdiction, unfortunately, but everyone does these crimes that we are now documenting are the result of the crime of aggression, or the result of their leaderships decision to plan and wage this war. If we want to prevent something worse in the future, we must punish the state and its leaders that start such wars. Today, that is why we must feel this gap in capabilities and create a special tribunal on aggression, and bring putin, lukashenka and their entourage to justice. Is there progress on this matter . I know there were discussions. It seems that western countries say yes, in principle, but in practical terms we will have to wait for such a tribunal. We have one positive intermediate step that is really important. And five countries sent their prosecutors to work in this center. This means that when a special tribunal is created, they will not have to start from scratch, they can rely on the conclusions of this international center. You mentioned the International Criminal court, it issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and him. The authorized representative of the childs affairs for coercion deportation of children, so putins warrant is finally there, why not support the decision of the International Criminal court and focus efforts on bringing Vladimir Putin to justice . There is no competition here, the work of International Criminal judges is extremely important, and when they issued this first arrest warrant, i warmly welcomed it, because it is a huge signal that we. We do not care that your country has a powerful military capability with a nuclear weapons, if you commit a war crime, you will be prosecuted internationally criminal court thats the message, thats why it s very important, but the problem is that the International Criminal. Has no jurisdiction to prosecute putin for the crime of aggression, precisely for the resolution of this war. I will say more, in the entire history of mankind we have only one such. This is the nuremberg trials, where nazi war criminals were tried only after the nazi regime fell. But we live in a new century, justice should not depend on when and how this war will end. We cannot wait, we must create a special tribunal now and bring putin and his entourage to justice. And i repeat once again that all war crimes, all crimes against humanity and this war itself, genocide became possible only because the crime of aggression took place. The crime of aggression is a socalled mother crime. That is why we must give a clear signal to the world that the leaders who unleash an aggressive war will be held accountable for it. The International Criminal court issued two more warrants for the arrest of highranking russians officers and stated that they were probably involved in crimes during the Missile Campaign against the Energy Infrastructure of ukraine between october 22nd and march 2023. This is a small step, or at least a significant one, as the investigation of specific crimes committed on your territory begins. Its definitely not small. Step is a significant step. First of all, i must acknowledge the incredible speed for international justice. After all, we are talking about the deliberate destruction of Energy Infrastructure last year. And only a year Later International the criminal Court Published the first results. Of course, this was also made possible thanks to cooperation with ukrainian Law Enforcement agencies, which helped identify the vessel, missiles and their commanders. So it was a good example of cooperation between National State authorities and the International Criminal court. The International Criminal court qualified these actions not simply as war crimes. It was said that these were crimes against humanity. Yes, you briefly mentioned the issue of genocide. It is obvious that it is legally difficult to deal with the fact of genocide, but you have been working in this field for more than 10 years. When you read what the russians say when you see what they are doing, are they really committing genocide in ukraine . This war has a genocidal character, putin recently gave a public interview in which he repeated his genocidal intentions. He said that ukrainians do not exist and that we and russians are one. People, and we, as human rights defenders, have been recording for years how these words turn into terrible practice on the ground, when Russian Troops purposefully exterminate the active local population. Priests, artists, teachers, journalists, heads of cities and so on. How they ban ukrainian language and culture and destroy Ukrainian Cultural heritage. How do they forcefully take ukrainian children to russia for adoption into russian families . In this way, they implement the principle ukrainians, you must either be reeducated as russians or killed. And i, as a lawyer, know that genocide is a crime of crimes, it is very difficult to prove, there are very high standards, but i can explain to our audience what is happening very simply. Words, you dont need to be a lawyer to understand that if someone wants to partially or completely eliminate some National Group, it is not necessary to kill all representatives of this National Group, you can forcefully change their identity and the entire National Group will disappear. And my last question human rights in ukraine, some public organizations express concern about the persecution of journalists by the authorities. Mayor. I understand that while there is a war in the country, now is not the best time to discuss it, and yet, whether before the oneman rule, you are a human rights activist, you are worried about the fact that human rights in ukraine are not fully protected . This is a real challenge, because war is poison for any society. The logic of war dictates centralization. Democratization dictates decentralization. The logic of war dictates the restriction of rights and freedoms by security requirements. Democratization, on the contrary, dictates the expansion of the dimension of rights and freedoms, and these are two contradictory logics that exist at the same time, so we, ukrainians, are now in a very difficult situation, and we are balancing between these two logics. Victory for ukraine is not only to drive out Russian Troops, to restore ours integrity, free the People Living in crimea. Victory for ukraine also means success in the democratic transformation of our country. We all know what it means for us to win a war with russia. It makes no sense for us to switch to the principles that russia professes. Thank you very much to Oleksandra Matviychuk for this conversation on france 24 and thank you very much to our viewers for being with us. Congratulations, friends, Khrystyna Yatskiv and Vitaly Portnikov are on the air of the saturday political club, today we will talk about the most important events of the current week, certainly russian. The ukrainian war, the results of super tuesday in the United States and many other news concerning this country, our key partner, and lets not forget the visits to our country by highranking officials from europe and not only that, but also the visits of our officials to important and, in the future , also not insignificant partners. This is our plan for the next hour and we are excited to welcome our first guest. This is oleksiy yezhak, an expert of the National Institute of strategic studies. Congratulations, mr. Oleksiy. Glory ukraine. Congratulations pataya you. Well, let s start with what you think is happening on the front right now. To what extent can it be said that the armed forces of ukraine managed to stop this Russian Military offensive after avdiivka . In general, it can be said that the front is stabilized, and due to the fact that. Certain actions were nevertheless carried out on our part in order to deepen and prepare other lines of defense, well, we are not talking about the entire front, but about several directions , well, after all, the russians dont have that much strength, and they dont have the main thing the instrument they used to force ukraine to leave avdiivka, cabs, guided aerial bombs, what they used to drop from su24 behind the front line. Now these su24s are getting lost , it is not clear why they didnt get lost before the fall of avdiyivka, but now they are getting lost, and there is no such tool, there are not so many forces in russia , well, some forces have been deployed from the side of ukraine, so the front can be said more or less stabilized, if we talk about the land, well, if we talk about the air and the seas, well , still, still, rather, on the side of ukraine, therefore that planes crash, ships sink. Well, what is happening, both in the air and at sea, affects the situation in sukhodoli, if we talk about official information from the general staff, the spokesman osuf tavria, mr. Lyhovii noted that now from avdiyivka the occupier is refocusing on novumykhaivka and everything that is further south, that is, in fact, this may indicate a large advance towards ugledar, which is an important logistical hub, this. May mean that the occupier is asking a big question about the overall capabilities of the kerch bridge, to be an important logistical chain, and considering that they have not built anything alternative along the coast of the sea of azov, probably ughledar, this will be their nearest goal, well, i cant say what exactly will happen, of course, of course the russians are looking for those places. The most are vulnerable for them, and of course, many people said that the south is more vulnerable for them than other directions, and now they are almost openly talking about it, that the crimean bridge bridge will not survive this year, so of course they will look to see how much they can do , unfortunately, basically a loss avdiyivka gives, gives the russians an opportunity to regroup and certain. Transfer certain forces to other directions, of course, in bogledar this could be the next point, well , here the question is how quickly ukraine gets new weapons and how quickly. On our part it will be possible to regroup, but tell me, in principle, how do you regard to all these attempts to collect enough shells for ukraine, now they are already saying that the Czech Republic has almost finished collecting money, which means that these shells will appear, as far as they can change the situation for at the front, they will certainly change the balance of ammunition, this is important, there is such an estimate, we need 700 per day, they are not all always available, it is 7,000, which. To maintain the balance, and to advance, you need more, well, now it is already felt that such a drastic shortage as there was when avdiivka fell, when avdiivka was lost, there is no such thing anymore, these munitions appear in a certain way, its just not clear why, these munitions, well , they all know that there is a lot of munitions in the global south, of course its a tough negotiation, of course. Theres espionage involved different stories, well, here is the ammunition, they appear, but they appear a little late, it is not clear why, because there is actually money for ammunition, there is such a big problem in europe, they did not want to spend ammunition for a long time, well, buy it externally for ukraine, they wanted to produce it, then it became clear that they didnt have time, they started to buy, such an initiative of the Czech Republic. France agreed, although it was against it before, and the process began, of course, together with what i said earlier, with the cessation of strikes, strikes kabami, this of course changes the situation on the front, it deprives russia to a significant extent of such an offensive potential, and this, but this does not mean that they will not try to advance, they need to advance, there is such an impression that there is a Certain International window of opportunity, opportunities for russia , so that they a certain time. Che were advancing, and regarding the prospects of our offensive, oleksandr pavlyuk, the commander of the Ground Forces of the armed forces of ukraine, said this week that we will try to seize the initiative on the battlefield and resort to certain offensive actions and maneuvers, in addition to failure, weapons, ammunition, longrange weapons such as stormsets, taurus and more, we understand that there is also a human issue here. Resource, can we talk about the prospects of such an offensive if we have not resolved the issue of mobilization at the legislative level yet . It seems to me that the issue here is not so much the legislative level of mobilization regulation, but the fact that there really is a shortage, well, there is a human shortage, even within the framework of the legislation that exists, it is possible, for sure, to find something to do. To do this, but something is not working out, i think , in principle, to a certain extent, the balance of forces can, it is possible to make such a balance of forces so that the offensive begins, but there are problems, here, in principle, if there are enough weapons, then we can say, what can be started, start the offensive again, in principle, what do you think about the possibilities of further construction of fortifications . What is the perspective, how much attention is needed here from the public, because now at the front, as you know, deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, and from the paralyzed party, from the opposition, are inspecting, so to speak, these defense breeds, and again the assessments differ according to affiliation to political forces. We can recall that such attention to such large projects began with the walls on the border with russia, and now continues from time to time. It seems to me that there is an element of politics here, of course, but the problem really exists, after all, well, i just dont know how important it is, how much it exists, how much it is possible, because here is the idea of strategic defense and mobile defense, that is maneuverable defense, they contradict each other if the defense maneuverable, then longterm fortifications are not needed, if. If, well, if we are not going to advance for a whole year at all, then we need to dig in and build such a new line, although well, if we, roughly speaking, if we, if we are digging such global structures, it means that we are not going to attack, ugh, tell me, mr. Oleksiy, taganhorn and