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Experience shows that the careers of all traitors end in the same way, so it is better to choose the first scenario before it is too late. It was the program collaborants and i, olena kononenko. If you have information about the kremlin sellers, write to us at this email address or simply on facebook, together we will send all the traitors on the trail of the russian ship. See you in a week on espresso. Welcome to the espresso channel. Today in in our war and weapons program, we will once again talk about what new technologies on the battlefield the Ukrainian Army is already using or will use in the near future. And this time in more detail about ground robotic platforms. A number of our defense and Industrial Companies have even united under the slogan we must fight with robots, but not with people, the ministry of strategic industry recently stated that there is an extremely urgent need for platforms that can be converted for medical evacuation, and our Domestic Developers at the Training Ground demonstrated their robotic platforms for evacuating the wounded from the battlefield to military medics. But what is the distance between the demonstrators of such robotic systems and the real ones . Actions on the battlefield, which has and can accelerate the appearance of perfect and already serial models, and whether our developers really imagine the conditions in which these platforms will carry out their missions, if there are explosions around, explosions from shells, enemy drones are burning from above, underfoot or a field mined by caterpillars. So, about all this, about new technologies of war, about we will talk about the possibilities and limitations with the developers, and with. Who will use this military hitech. My name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the defense express Information Consulting company, which is currently working together with the spresso channel to cover the most relevant events in the life of our army and the defenseindustrial complex. And now the first guest joins us, oleksandr yapchanka joins us, he is the senior lieutenant of the Honor Company of the vovka devinci battalion. Mr. Oleksandr, welcome to the express channel. Glad to hear, but i see, not in live broadcast, yes , glory to ukraine, i hear you, glory to the heroes, mr. Oleksandr , you are an Ardent Supporter of using new technologies on the battlefield, you and i talked about the need for this direction about a year ago, and during this time many different and interesting events took place , so i would like to hear from you, how would you rate this year, how quickly these new technologies are being implemented . Into the life of the Ukrainian Army, just on the example of your unit, and do you have such a positive experience that can be scaled to other units, to other brigade . Er, well, come on, youve asked a few questions, so lets start with the first question about the regimental supporter and what, lets say in medical terms, what are the dynamics of the process, the dynamics of the process are definitely positive, if a year ago, in principle, it was more our perception of the fact that. It is obvious that it is better to fight with robots than with people, this is an obvious thesis, no one particularly argued with it, we only argued about how to do it, then, in a years time, we already have many options for solving this problems how to go from fighting with people to fighting with robots, since. There is a huge number of difficult prerequisites, lets call them problems, which must be solved in order for this to happen. Ah, now i will actually describe what we are talking about, what a robot should do instead of a person, these are functions, these functions are clear to every army person, and in principle, they are quite simple to understand for people from nonmilitary subjects, the first function is logistics, everything that. Happens on the front line, everything that shoots, everything that is there, people live there, people eat food, people fight, that is, shoot, there you need food, water, a bull, this is all carried by hand in the vast majority of cases, its logistics function must be closed, it must be closed by ground robotic complexes, and we see. Well, many, many prototypes that can theoretically do this and in some places they are already doing it at the front. The second function is evacuation, you said about it before our conversation, it is already happening, of course, not massively, but there are cases when it is done directly, combat. Units and there are many proposals for these combat units, regarding how it can be done, the third function is demining, the fourth demining, this also happens at the front, and there are many proposals, many not many, there are proposals from manufacturers, lets say so, and then the fire damage function, well, you see a lot in the internet of prototypes of robotic complexes, which. Can not only block logistics and evacuation, but they can also cause fire damage to the enemy. What is nice is that a year ago i was familiar with only one company engaged in this, today there are already such companies, lets say a few, in other words, we also have positive dynamics regarding the products themselves, believe me, in a year they have progressed and. Positive dynamics regarding the number of those who produce them, in other words, there is already internal competition, moreover, you know, its very ukrainian, on the one hand there is internal competition, on the other hand all the people are friends, but when i get into an environment where manufacturers meet, despite the fact that they are, well, like competitors, they communicate well on the subject technologies, that is, it is not this nonsense that we came up with, we will not tell anyone, on the contrary, and now the actual conclusion. That said, the dynamics of the process are positive, but in order for us to really move from a war with people to a war with robots, we still have to take many, many very difficult steps, both technical and administrative, and administrative and legal as well, so first of all we need to thank everyone who is involved in this process, the manufacturer, well. Developers, manufacturers, military, you very correctly noted in the leash, and what is the distance from the manufacturer to the soldier, these are initiatives like bry one, they simply shorten this distance to a direct handshake, because i, as a representative of the combat unit, have learned from others who have been implementing this for more than a year, i communicate directly with manufacturers. And our communication is about the topic, that is, i say , look, how can this problem be solved, they give solution options, we test, and then, if one or another solution option. Er effective, they use it. It is very good that there are still manufacturers in the history of vans, because there is also a distance between the inventor and the manufacturer should be as short as possible, and this trio, the one who fights, the one who invents and the one who releases, it should be as short as possible, well, these people should simply work together, which actually happens on the platform, and of course very. It is good that there are holders of authority who are ready to help these three stakeholders to do their work more effectively, and therefore the general impression is positive, of course, we still have to work and work, and i just emphasize right away, lets not make too much of it hope, no, we dont. Fight works in the 25th year by the whole army, well , the truth is, lets not come up with unrealistic dreams. Sorry, this is not the story that you took a wise book, read and do as it is written in this wise book , we are now writing this book, and writing such books as the doctrine of changing the military, well , how to change the military, excuse the doctrines , thats sorry, well no. Not very fast, so we have to make the best effort, or we understood that doctrine as quickly as possible and implemented it as quickly as possible, and for that all those participants in the process that i mentioned, in addition to thanks, we should also wish them to move even faster. Mr. Oleksandr , you were present, literally that week, if i am not mistaken, where minstratekhprom and our developers were showing these platforms that can be. Placed for evacuating the wounded, what did you see there, are there any samples that can already be taken and to hand over to divisions tomorrow, or do the developers still need to finalize something significant or nonessential . Well, first of all, there are samples that could even be seen in enemy publics, that is, there are some platforms, the enemy has already noticed them, and. And well obviously, if the enemy noticed them, then they are already in use, we just have to be aware that we are doomed to run half a hull ahead of the enemy in technical terms, if we want to win this war, and we obviously want to, there are smart developers, there are brave ones units that are ready to implement these developments, eh, that is , there is something to work with, we just need to scale this experience as much as possible, in other words, so that there are more units like ours, we encourage, we invite, combat units, give representatives, we will teach you in this, we know ourselves, we constantly communicate with those combat units that use, exchange experience, you know, what will be effective. All the sooner we will make this technological revolution military. Mr. Oleksandr, are there any such formalized requirements for such robotic platforms on the part of the general staff, because sometimes it seems that each team at its own discretion, on its own vision, creates a sample and then offers it to the military. You said you were sure there is a certain dialogue in the relationship, but still , is there any formal basis for our developers. To know which way to move and what these or other departments expect from them . You see, you asked a very good question, in my opinion, nevertheless, this basis, this basis, it should be written directly to those who will use this technique based on the results of the tests on the Training Ground, and already based on the results. Tests on the contact line, which was done very well by the general staff, it is those grassroots initiatives that appeared more than a year ago, he first of all, well , prescribed them, we have a separate quest, these are Unmanned Systems, and its wonderful, in other words, you know, its a very cossack story, when you are. As a free person, you can to come up with, being in the army, it is a very regulated structure, a very hierarchical structure, but when you show some initiative in the Ukrainian Army, at least no one. Thinks, summarizing the answer to this question, it should not come from the general staff from top to bottom, do it like that, the general staff hears how they work in the fields, and is just ready for it to help, thats why i look very much with hope, with optimism at this whole story around groundbased robotic complexes, around unmanned aerial vehicles. Because we have a good interaction between a soldier and a person with big epaulettes, that is, we have, of course , bureaucratic difficulties, i dont think you are interested in hearing about them, but the most important thing is that this distance from the operator of the groundground robotic complex directly to the person in the general staff who makes the decision, she is first of all this contact, he is there through all sorts of ways initiatives this is a very ukrainian story , and of course, we would ideally like him to be there, so that everything would happen faster, but lets be realistic, a year ago we were only talking about the fact that it would be good to somehow try to fight the latest ground technologies, today we already have quite a few prototypes, and some already have direct combat experience, operators and some prototypes have already been modernized. According to the results of their work on the front line, so the dynamics are positive, lets accelerate if possible, but the most important thing is to fight god dont stop mr. Oleksandr , i asked the guest editors very much for you to participate in this program, because , relatively speaking, your unit acts as a certain, well, generator of ideas and tries to, well , push manufacturers to create certain samples and for these samples to be used for exploitation by. Of your unit, so it was with this module, the saber module, which is used by your unit, now i hope that certain robotic platforms will also come to you, and what will be the formal side, so you use the module, you you accumulate experience, then you write certain recommendations, these recommendations go to the developer and maybe now they will go to the command of a new type of army of bottomless systems, so that this experience can be scaled there, this formal side of the matter has already been established, is it effective, does it work , are there any results . Well, why didnt you answer this question, if a year ago it was a saber, you know, some kind of super eh, well, its a really strange story, but its just not rare that i was told in the comments that listen, well, thats a good idea, but its not will work then now its already well, now its already a reality on the front, its great. Then the third assault unit uses these ground robotic complexes, well done, there would be more such units that are included in this process, so we can monitor the dynamics that of course it is better, but simply the more units there are that work directly with the manufacturer, as you asked how it. Works, ill tell you how it works, the way it works is that the manufacturer of the saber turret and rys platform and i just shook hands and said guys, you have something that we can to fight give it to us, please, and well just announce that we need it, were ready for it, well, its a certain risk, because when you take some new technology to war, you still take a risk, well, because it might not work. And well, it will be a risk for you personally , and accordingly we are taking a certain risk, but please be a weasel and go to meet us, that is , give us something to risk, and they are very clear, i will tell you that part of the saber that we received , we received from the manufacturers, summarizing what has been said, the manufacturers are in the majority most are interested in giving these products to us directly for testing. Even if they desperately need money, well, because this is, you know, this is, well, not so much about earnings, but about the dynamics of production, relatively speaking, if you found money for a prototype, then you need to find money for at least a few more prototypes , and as you understand, it is not just to find the money for it, but we, as the commander of the unit, perceive it also as a personal task. I need to find a donor for the manufacturer, if i can do it, great. The manufacturer perceives this task in the same way, he needs to find a donor to give me. His kind, and when we work so synchronously, it succeeds, of course, it doesnt always succeed, of course it doesnt succeed on such a scale as we would like, well but listen, dream about the impossible, and at least part of it will succeed, mr. Oleksandr, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanation, we will dream about the impossible and seek Practical Solutions on the battlefield, let me remind you that my coson was oleksandr yapchanka, the senior lieutenant of the company the honor of the battalion. Where the others, and this one the unit is precisely trained to implement Technological Solutions in order to engage in hostilities with the enemy, relying on the capabilities provided by robotic platforms and sabertype modules and other models that allow the destruction of the enemy, at the same time, when the fighter remains in maximum safety, this should be provided by technologies, we will talk further about how samples of such Unmanned Systems are created. Topics that are needed on the battlefield, but here we will rather not talk about technical ones the parameters of this or that product, and about what slows down, or what needs to be changed, so that this creation process is much faster, more dynamic and meets the needs that the military itself is currently forming. About all this after the information and advertising block. Events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. Of course. The news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, one must understand. Antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. Every saturday at 1 10 p. M. With a repeat of sunday at 10 10. Studio zahid with Anton Borkovsky at espresso. We continue our war and weapons program. It is aimed at an overview of Technological Solutions that you. Use by our military on the battlefield, in the first part we talked about how the military themselves see such models, why they need them, and now we will talk with companies, representatives of companies, with the industrialists who create such samples, because actually now, if we read the message of the minister of technology or the ministry of statistics, then formally everything is fine with us, the number of drones is increasing, the Profit Margins are increasing, the potential of the company is expanding, but. All the same, the manufacturers have a number of basic questions for our customers, there are a number of proposals, and now we are joined by kateryna mikhalko, she is the executive director of the association of Technological Forces of ukraine , mr. Katery, ms. Kateryna, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you, good day, thank you very much for the invitation, on the website of your association of Technological Forces of ukraine there is written the phrase that i. Already used in a conversation with the military about that it is necessary to fight by robots, but not by people, and precisely due to the use of technologies, your Association Seeks to preserve the life and health of as many ukrainians as possible. I would like you to tell our viewers in a little more detail what the purpose of the association of Technological Forces of ukraine was created, when it was created, and which enterprises are part of it. What purpose does it set for itself . Ugh, you are absolutely right when you said that the latest technologies today help, first of all , to bring our victory closer, to give an advantage to the front line, and it is also important that they help save and preserve the lives of our military, because part of the operations performed by humans can be performed effectively by drones today, but it is important for the state to purchase these drones efficiently and predictably. And to ensure that Ukrainian Companies are here, stay, do not go abroad and only build up their capabilities, for this the Technological Forces of ukraine appeared, we help the state authorities with our analytics to shape their policies there in such a way that conditions for conducting defense business in ukraine were more comfortable. And how Many Enterprises are now part of your association, and what is the specialization of these enterprises . Do they participate in the implementation of the state defense order, how about these members of your association . Currently, the association has more than 20 enterprises, some of them have been supplying weapons to the front line since the 14th year, some of them appeared recently, all of them are united by one idea, which is the application of the latest technologies in the fund line, that is, each a product which manufactured by these companies. Uh, it has some kind of innovation inside, that is, whether it s software that is unique, or the use of artificial intelligence, or some specific developments that relate specifically to the cases and hardware with the component, but its all the latest. Weapons and i know that you conducted a survey among the enterprises that are part of your association, where you sought to identify the most problematic or bottlenecks in the development of the enterprises themselves, their cooperation with customers, and you described it as such a certain pyramid of industry pains, so i would like from you to hear what our manufacturers are currently suffering from, what worries them the most, what they. Systemically worry about, what needs to be changed . The first and most important thing is the predictability of orders, because it is already the month of march and part of the enterprises that manufacture eweapons, drones, which have already proven their effectiveness on the front line, have not yet been contracted, and this is an absolute disaster for the private sector, because in order to exist on this production, to support their teams, of course, you need to have working capital, this is currently a big challenge, because. Part of the Enterprises Just dont understand when they get contracts or if they get them at all. It is very important for the state to plan the purchase of weapons for 23 years. Currently, the maximum amount of planning that the private sector receives there is 62 months. It shouldnt be like that. The second thing i would say is localization. It is very important that we have preferences for local arms manufacturers, because for the last 30 years, the rules of the game have been such that all preferences. That is, more comfortable. It should not be like this, it should be made abroad, it is more profitable and an advantage for ukrainian manufacturers. And thirdly, let me say that it is important to integrate the ukrainian market into the world market, so if some manufacturers do not receive orders from ukraine as a state, then it is important to allow exports so that they can transfer their technological samples of weapons to our friendly countries, partner states, and so on. Currency into the country, and about these problems, i think that you talked with the representatives , for sure, and the ministry of statistics, the minister of technology, the ministry of defense, what is the reaction to the fact that these moments, which are painful and difficult for manufacturers need to be regulated in some way, is there any positive feedback from our officials, in fact, i am very grateful to the government for. The fact that they listen to the industry and a lot of deregulation has already happened in the last two years, and that is, the rules of the market cannot be compared to that was before, that is, there is a positive direction of activity and lawmaking in the government and in the parliament as well, but simply the volume of problems is so large and we have not had a reform of this industry for so long that of course it takes some time, you talked about that that you have to strive for. Export of products, if it is not fully purchased by the ministry of defense or other power structures. To what extent is there such a political moment here that , relatively speaking, how can we export when we ask our partners to supply and sell weapons to us, how can we bypass this trap, which is ideologically created around this issue . Ugh. Said several important things on this topic firstly, export does not reduce the amount of weapons that Ukrainian Companies can produce, on the contrary, it increases this quantity, because when Companies Receive inflows of additional capital, they can increase their capabilities, therefore, the display of products abroad does not reduce the amount of weapons that ukraine will have inside. The second thing i would say is that, for example, in such fields as the production of drones, we have made great progress, we have a lot. Of different models, and objectively, not all of them are needed by our army, because they have different functions, or ukraine does not always have enough funds to buy all the lots, so this surplus it would be appropriate to allow the products to be exported. There are other categories of technologies in which ukraine does not have such a large capacity to manufacture them, and it is for these that our western partners are usually asked to provide us with technical assistance, but it very much depends on the category of technology itself. And the type of product, and going back to the issue that you raised in balls list and that relatively speaking, local or local producers feel in worse conditions than foreign suppliers, it concerns the determination of the price, the terms of purchase, which here features in