Assessments about their fighting capacity, to be honest, but it seems to me that armed people can do damage in any case, especially if they are scared, so on the border with ukraine, of course, it creates certain risks, and we are already in april last the year before last, after the start of a fullscale invasion, we have already seen a series of provocations that were orchestrated precisely by the efforts of such a contingent, including who exactly it is, it doesnt matter, but they can. And they have experience in such events, in conducting such events, in deploying provocations, and against ukraine , and certain information campaigns and events on the territory of ukraine, because the events in odesa on may 2nd are infamous, provocateurs from transnistria were also involved, and the same year 2004, which i mentioned, before Viktor Yanukovych came to power , were also there. Meeting provocateurs who were considering the possibility of leading their people there on the territory of ukraine in the event that the Constitutional Court would not recognize yanukovych, that is, all these things are accumulated there in the institutional memory, if you can say so, and if they cannot leave as army, then they can do a lot of damage in the format of such provocations. In fact , just the mechanics of the process are very interesting, how the Russian Federation will be able to support , lets say, the group that may now be active in the socalled pmr. It is clear that in the spring of 2022, they were making certain plans regarding this territory and regarding us with the use of this territory. On the other hand , we understand that now the situation in this part of the map is generally more in our favor. We were eventually able to get involved. To enlist the support of our neighbors and partners in the black sea area, firstly, we carry out civil shipping and provide it with the Defense Forces of ukraine, but at the same time we understand that this may lead to the unlocking of some precautionary measures that we need at this point for to prevent any pmr army from entering the odesa region, relatively speaking. Do you see such a threat, that is, the fact that we are now, well, actually trying to clear the waters of the black sea in this part and so on, will russia not take advantage of this . I think this is part of the Regional Security strategy, but still a little outside the scope of the topic we are discussing, regarding separatism in transnistria, i can only here. Share with you my thoughts on the involvement of foreign partners in this matter , for example, before the Transnistrian Congress deputies had a whole contingent of very interesting meetings in teraspol, for example, the representative of the state department, christopher smith, visited teraspol and met with the leader of the teraspol regime , vadym krasnoselsky, then after the congress, the ambassador of Great Britain visited teraspol, before that there was also an extraordinary. The ambassador from of extraordinary assignments of ukraine, mr. Paun ragovey, i. E. A whole series of historic meetings, and all these participants of these meetings spoke, for example, emphasized the return to the 5 2 format, in the framework of which, for example, negotiations, but this very interesting nuance was added, that 1 1 would also suit everyone, that is, i think that the situation will unfold. After all, aside from the negotiations between teraspol and chisinau, somewhere there, maybe next to, next to, excuse me, will stand a representative of the state department, mr. Smith, will quietly observe this process. And of course, teraspol wants a guarantee, teraspol wants to keep his capital, teraspol wants to withdraw money and continue safely, to ensure the existence of some of his relatives, that is, because the end of this story seems very close ones thank you, thank you, mrs. Mariano, mariana prysiazhniuk, journalist, graduate student of vohared university, was on the air, we will now take a break for just a couple of minutes, but you will stay with what is ahead. There are discounts on lisobax 10 in psylshynic, bam and oschad pharmacies. Damn, stairs, my legs cant walk anymore, wait, ill catch up, theres no health, and what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, and i thought so until i tried herovit. 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Carsyl 15 in pharmacies plantain van tashchad there are discounts on maridoza 15 in pharmacies plantain you and ochad there are discounts on valeriana bulgarian 10 in pharmacies plantain bam and ochad premium sponsor of the national team. United by football, stronger together we continue the saturday political club, Khrystyna Yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, for the next hour we will talk with mr. Vitaly about the most important events of this week. Well, ill start probably from two such polar events and statements. On the one hand , putin once again addressed the federal assembly traditionally. Scared the west with nuclear weapons, promised that the sarmatian would be demonstrated in the near future, it would seem that there is nothing new here, but here at the other pole, among our western partners, as far as i am concerned, i am hearing really completely new things, this is an assumption of the probability that that a conditional nato soldier may appear on the territory of our country in a confrontation with the Russian Federation, and here we have our own publication lemonde french says that this is how the west is trying to raise rates, it is brave in this situation, i also think that the west is trying to raise rates, by the way, according to the chronology, first there was this statement by the president of the french republic, emmanuel macron, and then the next day the speech yes , the president of the Russian Federation, vladimir putin, as a person who in principle knows how to write such speeches, i can absolutely responsibly tell you that throughout the night between macrons speech and putins statement, putins speechwriters reworked that speech. Of this performance, therefore that, as you understand, in this speech, which was prepared for several months in a row, how they work on putins message, especially now they dont even happen every year, uh, so its serious work, its a huge number of people sitting, giving references, giving numbers, then people write it all out, then, then, it means they consult with various departments, coordinate with various ministers, and here, when everything is actually. On the ointment, as they say, when the chief just needs to go to the podium and read this brilliant text, it turns out that stvo a new situation appeared, to which one cannot help reacting, and this whole text, it is big, ugh, plus there is a text that is distributed to the members of the federal assembly and the ministers who gather there, by the way, they always match, no, there the text is larger in volume, that is. So all this must be reworked, reprinted, because the text that is distributed, as a rule, even i do not know, maybe it is now distributed in electronic form, but i do not believe, because these people always need. A document in the file , thats all, and its a big, big print, because imagine how many members of the federation council, deputies of the state duma, members of the cabinet of ministers, every person who is invited there must receive a document, so it was just like that, everything was a shambles, putin was probably raging there, running around the office, saying, this macron could not wait, and i think that macron also understood what he was doing, that it was not a simple statement after the meeting in the elysee. Palace, and this was a statement before putins meeting, and before putin would create a serious problem, because if we lets think, if we analyze all this, its not just an increase in rates, its also a struggle for leadership, look at how real events are developing, a whole bunch of western leaders are gathering in kyiv, who are coming here for the second anniversary of the invasion. And the main star of this whole story, the Prime Minister of italy, george meleni, who at the same time leads the list of the right in the elections to the federal from the federal to the European Parliament, to the European Parliament, and she at the same time chairs the meetings of the group of seven now, and she holds such a meeting in virtual order so that the group of seven would make it clear that it would continue. To help ukraine, that russian assets will not be unblocked before the end of the war, all these are very important statements, the french president is not there, he is at an agricultural exhibition, and the french side says that this is what we wanted, we were ready a day earlier and a day later, but she for some reason he was chosen exactly on the day when he is at an agricultural exhibition, then a person returns from an agricultural exhibition, and in the elysee palace he gathers other leaders, well and where. Of them were at the meeting of the group of seven, like olaf scholz, uh, some were not, of course, because they are not included in this group, and as if it was just another meeting in support of ukraine just in paris and after this meeting, macron makes a statement, after which no one remembers the meeting held in kyiv by george meleni. Moreover, george melena himself is not at the meeting in paris, duh. There are no italian representatives there at all, she as an experienced politician understands what macron is doing to her, and olaf scholl is forced to be there, and there, and there, and there he doesnt like it, because maloney is the first person there, and macron is the first person there, and meanwhile the biggest aid comes from germany, and scholz cant stand it, he says, but you could at least send more weapons, by the way, i dont know , you know that. Before the meeting in the elysee palace, journalists asked macrons advisers, and why, of course, this meeting is not in berlin, you can explain to us, the french journalists themselves, and they answered them, because we have better weapons, we give highquality weapons, we have a president , they take it, thats how it is less money, but we are very serious about , well, it is true, france very seriously helps ukraine, but germany more, but president macron is not only talking about the possibility of troops, he is talking about other countries. Should help germany more, ukraine more, it means germany as well, that is , in fact, it is about macron showing that he is the leader of the process, and indeed, if you are the leader of the process, then you are simply obliged to raise the stakes, and how can raise rates in this situation . Such a statement she, of course, you cant even imagine khrystyna, what kind of emotional reaction she causes in the kremlin, because she is in moscow. Since 2014 , they have adhered to one important thesis, nato soldiers on the territory of ukraine, this will mean war. And by the way, they kept western countries from more active assistance to ukraine in 2014 and from more active participation in the process, because they clearly told them do what you want, but if there is. At least one nato soldier on the territory of ukraine , there will be a war, but the war started without any nato soldiers. Thats the trick. That is, they deceived them. Because the western countries faithfully adhered to the idea that they, lets say, do not cross red lines so that there would be no war. They did not move, but russia moved. And now the question arises, why cant they go further . If russia deceives them in the gentlemens agreements that they concluded in principle then. Well, macron went further than other western leaders, it certainly caused, i would say, a serious problem, and now many are saying that actually macron wanted to create a situation of strategic uncertainty, and yet. Caused a split in the western world, perhaps, but the situation of tragic uncertainty is still there, because you understand when the federal chancellor of germany says that not a single soldier of the bundeswehr will be on the territory of ukraine, this is his point of view as the federal chancellor of germany, when the secretary general of nato says that there will be no nato troops in ukraine, this is his point of view and there are no nato general troops at all, well, these are the troops of the countries, these are the troops of the countries. And if the president of france says that its possible, it means that french troops can be, and thats enough, it doesnt require everyone to agree, if the president of france says it is, the Prime Minister of estonia says it is, its not, its not out of the question, but the minister of Foreign Affairs of lithuania says that yes, we welcome this statement, several western countries are already appearing that can join their efforts, and for this they absolutely do not need other nato countries. Agreed with them, as was the case during all nato operations, if you remember when it was there the operation against the milosevic regime, some participated and others did not, yes, well , i was just saying, well, you are, we, this is a nato operation, we support it, but we do not participate, well, dont take part, dont take part, such a case, so here, this is a very similar thing, i would say, conditionally reassuring for the russians, that there was a split, no, what happened was that countries appeared ready. For the participation of their military personnel not in the war, they all they say in one voice, this is not a question of war, it is a question of whether we can help the armed forces of ukraine, whether we can help them to teach that we can deal with demining, uh, this is, as the french Prime Minister gabriel tal said, but these are all combat tasks in any case, this is not a clash, but it is the performance of the army and a direct function as an army , an army does not necessarily have to engage in a clash with another army, it can perform different. Tasks and training of servicemen of other armed forces is part of military work, demining is part of military work, absolutely, and when they say this, it means that they are not giving up their ideals, then look, when macron made this statement, many believed that it was just an impromptu, uh, after the meeting at the elysee palace, to add, as i say, spice to the meeting itself. At which no concrete things were made public, if not resolved, by the way, because this meeting we also forget about it, it was held behind closed doors, so they specifically said that they would not comment on it in substance, they did not are informed about her real decisions, and it was a closed meeting without such video communication the president of ukraine, by the way, was not there, he spoke via video link, he just spoke in front of them, and then they consulted among themselves, and when everyone says that oh. Moscow knows all about it there, because the Prime Minister was there the Prime Minister of slovakia, robert fice, and whatever happened, the Prime Minister of slovakia has military Enterprises Working for him, which are now creating an economy for him, in which he is interested, in order to maintain power, he will not close these enterprises with his own hands, thats why those who think so do not know him well, and thats it other, so there was a statement, there were comments that he just said a nice phrase, and then one under. Statement after another was made by the french minister of Foreign Affairs stephane sejurier, the Prime Minister gabriel athal made a statement, macron said that he made a calculated statement that this is not impromptu, then he is going to meet with the leaders of the Political Parties of france, it becomes part of the political activity on the eve of the elections in the European Parliament, you saw this polemic between gabriel atali Marine Le Pen national when when he said listen . It unprecedented in the sharpness of the statement , no one has ever said that, and it also says to some extent that many have already decided that it is enough to engage in diplomatic equivocations when it comes to people who are essentially speaking against the National Security of their own countries, ugh , no matter what, and which are still supported by a huge number of voters, you understand, that is, ukraine is becoming again. Is now an object, in fact, a catalyst, yes, in certain election processes, at the moment of the whole of europe, unfortunately, this does not happen when we talk about the election processes of individual countries, then we will definitely mention poland, but i want to ask you a question, this is a possible split in the western world, scholz, macron, maloni, how will they divide this mess, yes, relatively speaking, is it good or bad for us, this is healthy. I think that competition is good, and then, how can these people. Not compete, scholz is one of the leaders of the european left, they were gathering, it seems to me, today, with their manifesto before the election, they want to win elections, they need additional votes in the European Parliament, they dont have many heads of the government, and the main figures are the Prime Minister of spain, pedro sanchez, and the federal chancellor of germany, olaf scholz, because these are the largest countries of the european union, which are led by leftwing leaders, there are centrists, and their leader is emmanuel macron. In fact, this is a completely different Political Force , which is in the center of the spectrum, so to speak, and they also need to prove their importance, especially the situation when in france the farright and farleft always win in the elections to the European Parliament, there are rightwing radicals, and some of them , which supports in ukraine, this camp is headed by george meledi, and she still needs to fight with those rightwing radicals, because these are two camps, like that. Who support russia, and the representatives of this second camp, part of its coalition in italy , and they will fight with it in the elections to the European Parliament, they are not going there together, they are going in different groups, which means they need to fight with the left, their own, who are looking at scholz with our own centrists, with the democratic party, lets say, who look to the democratic party, these are the left, there are centrists who look in the direction of macron, well you. The landscape, that is, you are talking about people who gather in the same room, but they all represent different Political Forces, opponents in europe with a completely different vision of europe itself, it is not the same, not only in melon and macron, but also in macron and scholz, and on the issue of ukraine, it also looks different now, plus remember that france, again, unlike italy, unlike germany, is a country. Which is part of the group of winners in the second world war, and it is a nuclear power, therefore it is a member of the security council, so france and italy and germany were not, because they were in another part of europe at the time, on the other side of the barricades, and this all immediately begins to show when the discussion of fundamental issues begins, weight, not that no one he doesnt say now, you know, you lost the war, we won the war, no one in europe speaks in such categories anymore, but in any case, macron is the head of a nuclear state, and scholz and maloney are not. And the position of poland is also very important, you mentioned it, but you understand that here, too, poland must be the factor that , one way or another, will be forced to determine which group of countries, from the point of view of attitude to the situation, poland is going to join, because polands position on the ukrainian conflict depends on whether there will be. Poland part of the triangle that will one way or another determine the direction of the european union, huh, or italy . In general, we are talking about the future of poland, well, what is meant, well, in the past there were three largest countries in the european union, which in one way or another could talk among themselves about trends, which then were offered to others, simply from the point of view of the weight of economies, population and parliamentary seats in the European Parliament and so on and so forth, these were. France, germany and Great Britain. There is no Great Britain now. And it is obvious that someone has to take her place in this conditional triumph, it is vacant. And now we talk about france and germany all the time. But this cannot happen forever. So some country will occupy this place, but it cannot be a quadrangle. Ugh. So, it depends on who will play this game correctly now, which country will be the most authoritative in the europe of the future, next to france and germany. Poland or italy . And by and large , george meleni, who represents the radical right, and donald tusk, who represents the centrists and is thus associated with the centrists, they are now essentially competitors in this great geopolitical game. This should also be remembered, and thats why there, when on the one hand president andrzej duda was at the meeting in the elysee palace, and on the other hand everyone. Will have to decide how they should handle this situation the situation of the polishukrainian crisis , that is, it is very much, but we are talking about the fact that these are not , as it were, simply questions of aid to ukraine, no, this is a question of the world order for the next ten years, now they are being resolved in this way, well, with regard to poland, there have already noted that they will help ukraine with weapons as much as is needed, but no, not people. We, lets put it this way, that is, we are now choosing a more balanced position for ourselves, unlike other colleagues in the european union, and not only in it, but you know, we are talking with you about which games are in now and. Which schedules can be at the time when someone takes and does, the Czech Republic for example, just recently we discussed and discussed the idea of ​​peter pavel, a man with a rather powerful military background, to find 800,000 shells for ukraine, 155 and 122 calibers there, well that is this is a nato caliber, it is not some supersoviet 152 mm tanks somewhere, but less so now. We are receiving information that in the near future the ukrainian Defense Forces may receive the first receipts from this package, and 50 of all the money needed for these 800,000 projectiles has already been found and allocated, but why are we looking, if we look, the European Countries do not have these weapons in their warehouses, so it means that we need to negotiate with some countries that can sell these weapons for money , these countries at the same time. Can be in good relations with the Russian Federation or in normal neutral relations, if the americans or the british will negotiate with them, then as you understand, all this will be immediately facilitated at the very first stage of the negotiations, the resident who sits in the russian embassy, ​​er, Foreign Intelligence Services will run after this american visitor. On all the streets there, i dont know whether to photograph an asian or an african city, the very representatives of the militaryindustrial complex of these countries may be afraid to negotiate with americans, or with the british, or even with the french, especially in africa, ugh, a czech comes here, lets say , a negotiator, a russian resident will not. Pay attention to any czech negotiator, it is not for him, so what, what is it, some czech came to ours, well, its not our scale, they need something there, some howitzer to buy, the representatives of this country will calmly talk with the representative of the Czech Republic, this is the strength of the middle countries, they can be unnoticed until the moment when the post will be. Signature and fractionated cargo, and already after that you can talk about it completely calmly, so this is the advantage of, say, the Czech Republic, or this is the advantage of hungary, viktor orban, when now our border with poland is blocked, and a huge amount of cargo goes through hungary, and new checkpoints are opening and. There are a lot of things that we can see now, there is equipment, thats all that remains on the shelves of our supermarkets, shops, what does not go through the polish border, it goes through the hungarian border, in that right now, orban is calling for negotiations there, telling the western countries that you are creating conditions where it is impossible to agree on peace, but by and large , hungary is now helping ukraine not to end up there. In a difficult economic situation, this is a reality, well, and this is again an advantage of such a country like hungary, because there you dont organize a protest like in poland, well, yes, well , you do, but you need to first agree with the Prime Ministers office, and then you organize a protest and lose your place as the head of the trade union there, well, its simple they wont vote for you anymore, so think about it, and on the one hand, we say that managed democracy is bad, and. On the other hand , we say that there, relatively speaking, iphones that we can buy are ok if there i dont know samsung it doesnt matter there isnt lets assume that there are some products that come to us, then there is a simple illustration, so of course we can say here that the president of the Czech Republic is also an interesting thing, that he is a general, that he is a person who worked in. The nato apparatus, that he can imagine the nomenclature of weapons, as a professional in different countries, where to turn, well, it can also be joint work, again, it can be joint work, the united states, the Czech Republic, european , Great Britain, other European Countries, they understand who should represent this one agreement. We understand that weapons are sold not only by the countries that produce them, but also by conventional ones, such as world wars
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