Is that propalestinians are joined there by both the right and the left, and those who are for lgbt rights, and against lgbt rights, and for climate change, that is, who i have not seen on propalestinian rallies, i. E. All those who are not in mainstream, and somewhere at the extremes, everyone ran there for this window of opportunity to promote the topic, and this window will expand, depending, again, on how events will develop, whether there will be a fullfledged ground operation, which is spoken of. It wont happen, well here again, but if it happens, there is every chance that it will probably start today after netanyahus speech, he promised to hold some kind of press conference, the reaction will be even tougher, it seems to me, that is, we are entering such a rocking of the world around this one on the subject, which is the second time since the attack of russia on ukraine, tell me, why would putin himself accept the hamasites in moscow in such a situation, he too could, in theory. Take a moderate position, be a mediator . Well, russia is getting out of those windows of opportunity opened for it by the policy of the west. The policy of the west regarding support for ukraine, and support for the syrian rebels, and support for many people from the point of view of russia and china, to some extent looks like weakness. Even before it took shape as a legacy of the soviet union, russia had enormous ties with in fact, the organization, there was the liberation of palestine, and a lot of things in palestine were not done without the support of the soviet union, these ties have been preserved, and now this is an additional argument, and an argument of strength, that in russia, in moscow, lie the keys to peace in the near future in the east, russia resolved many issues regarding syria, resolved issues regarding libya, resolved issues regarding armenia and azerbaijan, and today russia is trying to force, including and the United States to resolve issues with hamas specifically through Moscow Russia will get a huge leverage, and what is extremely interesting, the hamasites calmly travel to moscow , calmly arrive, calmly leave qatar, from other countries, they are not located, their Political Leadership is not under direct israeli airstrikes, it is scattered around the world, and exists in a fairly good network, including the obvious. Even israel, until it resorted to radical measures to destroy hamas from the head, and not from some of the grassroots or tactical level commanders who are in the gas, and now russia is getting this key and, moreover, the further israel will continue active military operations, the more signals from russia will be that look, well, we are ready to stop all this, they can be defeated through us, it is possible that russia will soon be able to declare itself a predecessor, and if. for israel, the situation on the ground will not turn out extremely well, then here, too , israel, despite condemning this visit to moscow, has not imposed any sanctions against russia for supporting terrorists or something something else, that is, such things have not been done, they are leaving there are talks, there are speeches, but to seriously quarrel with russia, israel, at least in the person of netanyahu, is absolutely not ready at the moment, it seems, and there is no such thing at the moment, and here russia gets a not. Bad key to plant the west once again, that what does she call, to the negotiating table and sell this policy of hers, good for china, look, russia remains an active player in the middle east, and well, we must admit that it is so, but russia has taken exactly the place where it was launched, especially after syria, when bashar assad basically has everything excuse me, no one was in time for a ground operation, lets not forget how many proiranian forces are in syria, and israel was forced to work with russia there, because there was a certain agreement that we restrain, we keep the iranians somewhere away from you, and you are especially there. Well, dont oppose us, and we will solve these issues there. 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We stopped at the point where hamas came to visit moscow in a certain representative office, and in fact, not so much time has passed since the russian propaganda thesis that through ukraine, american weapons ended up in the hands of hamas. Well, it turns out that hamas did not receive help from that side , most likely, because, to be honest, i perceive the visit of these guys behind us, excuse me, words to moscow, as, in principle, a symptom of some kind of relationship, well it is obvious that this is a serious relationship, and you have to remember that russia has a relationship with hamas almost from the first days when hamas started to be an important Political Force in the territory of the palestinian authority, and the maintenance of this relationship was. I would say a shock and for israel, which was hoping to isolate hamas, when russia started this relationship, it must be remembered that it was still a member of the group of eight, and the president of russia went to meetings of the group of eight, and suddenly representatives of hamas began to go to such a country, this was a serious blow to the palestinian administration, because it was in absolutely hostile relations with hamas, and in fact hamas destroyed, it was civil. All fatah activists in the territory of the gaza strip, and fatah destroyed many hamas activists in the territory of the west bank of the erdan river and mahmoud abbas, who had a special relationship with moscow, who, in general, seems to me an agent of the soviet special services of old, who wrote a dissertation on antisemitic content under farewell to the former future, i mean the russian Prime Minister and minister of Foreign Affairs yevgeny primakov, another such and such a representative. The antisemitic mainstream in the russian leadership, they believed that they were supported by moscow, and israel hoped that mahmoud abas would be perceived as a legitimate leader in russia, as in other countries, and mahmoud abas relied on this, and, by and large, by and large account, it turned out that russia is ready for a completely alternative. Conversations and russia is one of the few countries in the world, at least in this part of europe, whose president met with the head of the hamas politburo khaled mashel, these are generally isolated incidents, and what is more interesting is that this president was not putin, that Dmytro Medvedev met with khaled mashalim, and when we speak, what will change, nothing, no, it will change. A lot, that there will be a much more radical person, who will be ready for much more serious actions, which not putin cannot take yet, because medvedev has much more radical views and we can see it on his telegram channel everywhere, than in putin, if we believe that medvedev is really putins heir, one of the possible ones, then all conditional arguments regarding radicalization of russian politics, well remember medvedev attacked georgia when he was the president of russia, putin very. Until this moment , he was cautious about the possibilities of real life in the postsoviet space, and it is not known who pushed whom. Medvedev met with mashallim, medvedev now clearly says that western politicians are all idiots and you need to talk to them like that, this is a completely different political line from a propaganda point of view than the caution that putin still allows himself when he talks about his western colleagues there , why, again, medvedev is not just some minister, well, he is the deputy chairman of the security council, he is a former Prime Minister, a former president , this is just an illustration, well, if you are talking about returning to hamas, then these contacts were there, they were always there , and it must be said right away that they intensified in connection with the strengthening of contacts between russia and iran , and in connection with the syrian war, but there too everything was very difficult, at a certain moment there was some serious such problem between these sworn friends, when hamas decided that they will be able to take over the entire state that will receive them, and they tried, but did not join the syrian one. Positions and tried to seize power in damascus and overthrow the regime of bashar alassad, and how strange it sounds that hamas was one of the leading forces of the Syrian Opposition supported by the west, and russia and iran did Everything Possible to keep the regime of bashar alassad, and it is Still Necessary remember that hamas is a sunni Muslim Organization that basharar expelled from syria. Sonite population, and this too, these are serious things, that is, certain things happened cooling, for a short time, the hamasites fled to qatar, by the way, this is not a new story, and so the arabs have been fooling themselves all the time with their support for the palestinian movement. Yasir arafakov, the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the leader of fatho, he already tried to seize power in jordan , there was such a famous black september, when king hussein of jordan crushed the palestinians with tanks in their refugee camps, now everyone is talking about the inhumane actions of israel in the gaza strip , participants in propalestinian demonstrations, but those demonstrations when King Husseins tanks drove over the bodies of his palestinian brothers, not saying there that somewhere around 40 of the population, in jordan itself, are palestinian arabs, no one held any demonstrations, you know, anything is possible between arabs, but thats the way it is, they tried to seize power in jordan, when king hussein of jordan exiled to lebanon, joined the muslim sunni groups that competed for power in livno and destroyed lebanon, it simply does not exist, the territory called the lebanese state is not really a state, and syria was the third in line, but with of syria putin and ayatollah khamanni, the hamasites were driven away, by whom and at what cost, and after that, as they were there, they somehow took root in a new stage of Mutual Understanding began, they again appeared to be close to each other, what is important here is not even the fact that the hamas delegation led by abu marzouk was in moscow, but the fact that they immediately invited the deputy minister of Foreign Affairs of iran there, and there was a meeting , the meeting was officially announced, in the Iranian Embassy in moscow, where is this deputy minister of Foreign Affairs of iran, obviously talked to the hamasites about how to prepare new fronts and so on and so forth, i remembered when i read about this meeting, how in the same embassy there many years ago, another Deputy Foreign minister of iran told me that our arrival in moscow, these are the first steps towards iran playing such a role in the region. A scale that you cant even imagine, i looked at him then and thought, how do they want to achieve such a scale, well now i know, now i have no, no questions, no, you know, i couldnt, i could to imagine such an iran, when i met with this iranian diplomat, i could not fully imagine such a russia, yes, it was a problem, you know, everything, everything needs its conditions, and i saw that if russia changed, i did this, of course, there were huge chances , and the fathers tripartite meeting, this is the real news of evil, but President Biden is talking about it, they do not hide it, because now for them the situation is really beautiful, the situation connected with the fact that by and large, by and large indeed, we see a gap in the relationship between the west and the global east. They manage to change the meaning and it is dangerous, that is, how to change the meaning . You said that you are worried about the suffering of the civilian population of ukraine, and the suffering of the civilian population of gazans is not worried, that is what erdogan told us today, but what about the civilian population of israel, and we do not see it, uh, not just that we do not we see, as if this were not the case, for us it is not there, and we from this very moment we begin to perceive reality, do you understand how people who justify russian aggression against ukraine say that ukraine itself bombed donbas, what were they killing there, children, women, but you dont see it as this reality, but start from the moment of putins offensive, that is, everything is absolutely cynically, if you think they dont know what theyre doing, they do, and russia wants to use it , but were still. Lets see how the meeting in malka goes, yes, because there are representatives of the global cock, they will definitely be, if not loud, then at least its cool to talk about it, but how is it . What is it that you ukrainians want us to sympathize with you about your civilians, but you yourself do not sympathize with the civilians of gaza, how did you end up in the United Nations organization, and israel will say, and how did you end up, and it is possible to find out , how did you get, you have russia attacked by terrorists, your citizens are being killed, and you say that we will not stop the hostilities until we liberate our territory, and we say that we want to conduct an operation to destroy a terrorist organization. And you abstain so you really dont want to stop military operations, so stop it yourself, well, thats the way it is, that is, we find ourselves here between two such fires, and everyone in their support is logical in their worldview, and this, as you understand, is what , what, that russia is absolutely on hand, that is, any step we take is already dangerous from the point of view of further relations with various partners, ugh, i am. A little jealous of my colleagues who had the opportunity to work with you in the saturday Political Club the last few releases because i really wanted to ask you a question, what do you think the project of the state of palestine, it is, is now stopped for some indefinite period, or on the contrary, the world is one step closer to its implementation, because there is both one and another view of this situation, someone believes that what is happening now and what hamas is demonstrating and that that a large number of palestinians in the gaza sector once again voted for it at the time, right . In 2006, well yes, but the fact, its a fact, uh, it demonstrates that, well, its unlikely, its unlikely that the state of palestine can exist under, the current conditions, on the other hand, if israel now successfully conducts its ground operation in gas sector and will be able to clean up this terrorist nucleus, then the palestinians will have a breath of fresh air, which they will use, what do you think . I dont really understand what a jacket of fresh air is, as soon as some Palestinian Organization starts negotiations with israel and talks about the need to create a state in the territories, some of them in the pre1967 borders, it immediately loses popularity among palestinian society, because by and large of this platform which is currently supported supported by hamas, its supported organization. Which is the core of the Palestinian National administration and the center of the Palestine Liberation Organization. And as soon as this Organization Began to claim not everything, but wants at least a part, it turned out that it is not popular among the population of the palestinian authority, and there are two more important factors that we need to be aware of, and the first factor is that there is a Huge Population of the gas sector. Which lives on this narrow strip, and it is not already radicalized by its very life, this hard life, as you can see, all the money that was given there by the United Nations, and the refugee agency, other organizations, all that money that was given by sponsors, all that money that israel made possible to work in its territory , then everyone . They are largely spent on terror, and why . How do you think . Why are people so radicalized . Yes, why do they spend all this money on terror and not on the development of their territory where they live . Because they believe that this territory is not everything, it needs to be expanded horizons, and halas is a tool, we need and need a dream, the dream is the entire territory of palestine, sooner or later it will all be ours, and why should we spend all this money on this, well, well, we will spend this money, well, we will build there are good, safe places here and that our children will remain here forever, let us suffer, and the children will live in tel aviv and in haifa, in jewish houses, without jews, now one more point is the west bank of the jordan river, there, too, in recent years, attitudes have been radicalized and not without the participation of the far right of the Political Forces of israel, and this is also what they always warned about, that if there is a settlement policy, if it becomes more. Aggressive, of course, the confrontation between these two, layers of the population, as they say in israel , sectors, the israeli sector , the settler sector and the arab sector, it increases, so, in this way, if elections are held there, then i think that hamas will again will win, and if not hamas will win, then some other radical organization will win, and again, what will be the first point in the program that the state should be created on the entire territory of palestine, because israel is a colonial organization, this is what is happening today. Organized by you tudogan, what are you doing here, you are the occupiers here, yes, europe is your fault, and we are not your fault, this is not true. Turkey has done enough, actions during the time of the founder of the turkish republic, Mustafa Kemal astaturk, which led to the virtual disappearance of the Jewish Population from the territory of modern turkey, this is also a reality, if erdogan believes that he is not responsible for it, it is his sacred right. Och. It can be seen that there were no such pogroms that would resemble the holocaust on the territory of turkey, but there was a displacement of the entire national population, this was ataturks idea that after the collapse of the ottoman empire, where there could be muslims, orthodox, jews, greeks , armenians, ottomans, a completely different state should be created, the turkish republic, by the turks, all nonturks have territories to leave, the concept of creating a National State, the concept of creating a National State by reducing the nonnational population, because before tatsyurk the word turk was more of an insult than a name of nationality , people who were turkish muslims were called ottomans, the word turk did not exist, well, this is also a reality, again, this is not a question, no, i will not. Now erdogan should be presented with all these accounts, because we will immediately begin to mention at all about the National Basis on which the turkish republic was created, what erdogan said today, he would rather not say, because this is again, it can be for nato he said palestine 100 years ago was for us like adana, a cool comparison, you know how it looks. 100 years ago , adanasky 95 of the inhabitants of this city, who made up what do you think . Share with us armenians, 95 , the population of adana, it was then cilicia, the region of cilicia , it was called the republic of cilicia there, it was then controlled 100 years ago by france, uh, and all 95 of the population of this entire region, with these famous cities mersin , er, adana, what else was there, in this region, well, there are many of these cities of this cilicia, i will not just recall all this now, tars, this the native city of the apostle paul, he was clearly not an ottoman, so to speak between us, well, it is like that, but an armenian too, so 95 of the population of the entire region was armenians, now 95 or 97 of this region, people live in it. It is not difficult to see, ethnic turks are being formed, how did it happen like this, i do not want to ask this question to erdogan, he will be offended, well, this is the reality, the expulsion or destruction of the population, there may be an expulsion, we are there, we know that three months ago, 95 of the population karabakh was made up of armenians, now there are 0 armenians there, well because of for some time there will be 90. 5 of azerbaijanis, again, we remember, there were also common , common life of armenians and azerbaijanis in this region and where azerbaijanis were expelled, that s all, sad pages, we dont even talk about that, but it was like that in cilicia, there were no turks there, then they appeared , okay, so 100 years ago, of course, palestine was under the ottoman empire, there were no turks there, and there were no ottomans, and adana was part of the ottoman empire, there were no turks there, thats how it sometimes happens, there we succeeded to evict the population, ugh, and it didnt work out there, thats such a misfortune, well, not everyone can be evicted , even if you, an ottoman politician, well, sometimes someone remains, its unpleasant to talk about it, so jokes are jokes, so what are opportunities for the creation of a palestinian state, i honestly believe that every year is not a solution to this. Problem, it takes away such opportunities, which is a solution to this problem . I think that after the vosla agreements, if the Palestinian National administration had followed the path of creating a national one of the state, rather than fighting israel and not, proposing additional conditions and not trying