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Greetings, friends, this is the svitoglyad program on the espressu tv channel, and today we have gathered to talk about a very important topic, the topic of societys perception of war, the topic of societys behavior during war, why some people make every effort whether at the front or even in the rear to to defeat the enemy and sin with time and our work, directly, again, or on the line at the front or in the rear, someone can easily spend money on loud parties, weddings, again, it is not prohibited in ukraine, now i am not saying that this is a crime, it is not prohibited, weddings, parties, spending ones money, no matter how much you were not there, the question is only about the origin of this money, but this is another question, and why these people can do it calmly, absolutely, despite the fact that somewhere very close people are dying, somewhere very close grief, pain, dozens, hundreds of thousands of graves, young men, women, children who die in war or from enemies strikes in cities and ukraine, how to call this phenomenon, how to explain it, and how to live on , can a society in which for some weddings and holidays, nor spending money, uncontrollable for others war, can it win in the near future, because victory it will still be up to ukraine, but its only a matter of price and time. We will talk about this today, and i have invited a guest, first we will have krylo sazunov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, a political scientist, then we will talk with a social psychologist, in order to once again give an explanation for this phenomenon, this is usual phenomenon in all parts. And for all soldiers, its always been like that, someone hangs out in restaurants, someone fights, someone helps those who fight , someone makes equipment in factories, well, someone steals money, this is again, its always been like that, almost always and almost everywhere, but in ukraine , of course, we want this to not happen, at least to understand what it is, kirill , i congratulate you, i congratulate you, im glad to see you, i havent seen you for a long time, eh, ill immediately ask a question from our, from of my colleagues, regarding the health of two, the cats that are there on the front line, one lyu, one lyutsik, lucifer, and the other, and the other rem, well, i will immediately ask that we close this issue, there are four of them, yes, two of them are already coming to eat, to rest, they are going somewhere for the night, and now i see p some blackandyellow cat, we personally have two, but i already have four, all canned food, well , they finished their cats food, already. I fed them canned food in the morning, i will announce a collection for food for cats in the evening, because they eat a lot of something , i am arriving, well they are arriving, somewhere there are no people, somewhere, maybe from neighboring units for a double portion, you have the best they are feeding, well, we started with this a little bit, ro romanticlyrical, lets go now , i will first ask a question, you will make an introduction like this, and then i will show one of the three videos that we have prepared, which demonstrates that it is not for everyone the war is so relevant now, well, at least it seems so, but please tell me how your brothers and sisters reacted, im talking about your unit, its hard to talk about everyone there, when they heard this information about loud weddings and comments from people who in general do not know what happened in mariupol, what was there in azovstal, they are for the good, and therefore the war in principle does not interest them very much, but all these phenomena, how they look calmly, restlessly, misunderstanding is caused in the military, well, it depends on the temperament, of course, that such approving it did not provoke challenges, some react more calmly, some more emotionally, of course, on the one hand, if you look at it calmly in general, well, what are we fighting for, precisely so that there will be a peaceful life somewhere, precisely for that we must stop the enemy under avdiivka under. mahmut, so that the people in kyiv would have the opportunity to live normally, to work, to go to coffee shops, there is logic in this, there is justice in this, but on the other hand, when you save every day for some cars, for some pickup trucks, of course there is not enough money, one of your brothers is in the hospital, someone on the shield has already returned, and you see that people dont even know what is happening, how long the uzovstal defense lasted, whats next, and the guys are captives, and russian captivity, ill tell you, hell, some of my acquaintances, for the most part there, from those very zealous, the right sector, they carry two grenades with them, always. Precisely because not to be captured, and when you see how people are walking, spending millions on a cake , you automatically translate it into pickup trucks, into mavics, of course, it is a little bit infuriating, to put it mildly, on the other hand, it seems to me that these are the people , who now feel very good in kyiv, buch, lviv, these are people in whom no one is fighting, who are not fighting themselves. Did not fight and what kind of shelling and the harshest situations, well, i am talking about the kyiv region, experienced somewhere abroad or in western ukraine, that is, they did not see the Russian Military up close, they lived waiting for the russians to fly in now, or in half an hour, the russians will come here, and thats why they somehow think that we are far away somewhere, somewhere again, somewhere in the east , something incomprehensible is happening, we have our own life here, it seems to me that this is how psychology works, well, im with 100 i am 100 sure that those people who in kyiv on minsk, or before that the director of a Utility Company with a friend in buch, set off fireworks at night, that they were not in kyiv and buch during the occupation or during the shelling, well really, hardly saw russian equipment on obolon, which was able to break through on february 25, i will now ask to show a video of the wedding that took place in the eden resort in well, now there are no questions about the institution where it took place, i just indicate the location, that is, people pay money, people rent, people walk , again, its not a question of the institutions now, so that someone doesnt think that yes, then they are not, they are not bad, well, people, they rent out their territories to the square, someone can celebrate there, and the wedding took place there, guys, we are about well talk more actively about it later, no, no, its not that wedding, well, that too, now where they are, young guys at all, well, not teenagers, but , but not and not so mature enough guys on stage, listening to russian rap, scattering hundred dollar bills, lets just look at it. Now we will show this, well, this is also from the same wedding video, yes, there is a word called dollars, yes , yes, well, so, the guys are throwing 100 dollar bills, at this moment russian rap is playing, i will just say by the way, because now i help the 116th brigade antiaircraft missile platoon, well, through my facebook, collect them on an electric bicycle in order to get to enemy positions more inconspicuously, well, i collect money for them there, as much as my subscribers and friends can, and i know that, lets say , a mavik costs the same basic 12,000 uah, thats 300 of those pieces of paper that flew off the stage like explain this, again, do the young guys not understand, dont know, im not saying that now they need to be served with summonses, they may be students there, well, they dont need a summons, but simply this does not cause an unhealthy perception in a large number of people, in most of society, how do you explain this phenomenon, why this happens, why such neglect of money, the value of this money, especially during the war, because all this money can save the lives of our soldiers, well, i think that we should feel sorry, well, i feel very sorry for these guys, they must be very sick. And those who do not believe that, they will show a certificate from the vlk, from the army, that they are seriously ill and unfit for military service, probably, and if we are not joking, then these are really ukrainians, we really live in one country, we really measure the world by one , by one measure, well, who are these guys, young people, who are they parents, and why we should protect their carefree life, i have no answer to that. This, you know, its the same for them, ill just briefly remind our viewers about these people, this is one of them, this oleg zakharov, who happened, all of them. He is one of the participants of the parties, when the girls were drunk or something, i dont know what they were given, what substances until they were half unconscious, then there were certain actions against these, they detained these guys, and he came out of the there is this young man who left after paying 4020 hryvnias from the bail, someone left one more of this the group remained behind bars, but now they are celebrating this wedding and throwing money around. And the presenter at this event was the tv actor and comedian yuriy tkach, who said that he did not know where he ended up, that he would give the money he earned to the armed forces, well, it is not a question for him anymore, well, at least now, this question is up to those these young people, well, but obviously the words about what i didnt know , we didnt understand, people know everything, its just that sometimes you definitely have to be honest, but honestly say that we are going to a wedding, because we, well, we dont avdiyivka is burning, it doesnt spoil our mood, but the day before yesterday i saw a photo of three lviv residents, young guys who died. They were already buried at the front in lviv, and you know, here your hands just drop , you are not in a good mood, you understand that these people are dying, and today they will die again, and now somewhere it is possible that someone is dying, it is not that from what are you Walking Around sad, or are you thinking about how to raise money for them, you will help them a lot, well, this is just a normal reaction, maybe it is necessary, why is there such a reaction, maybe, maybe, mr. Kirill, there is no communication, and even from authorities or those authorities responsible for it. So that people, yes, were going to show a photo now of how these members were arrested, these are the ones who were partying at the wedding, these are the ones who were arrested for the online streams that they did with the parties, where they were actually doing certain actions towards, towards the young , well, girls, and then they were searched, but now they are already having a wedding , maybe people need to talk more about the losses in the war, about the price of this war, and then somehow there will be more of a response, instead of doing Something Like that somewhere there is a war, we are going to. Demands and someone thinks to himself, everything is fine, why dont i go for a walk, please, i dont know how to communicate to them, what kind of communication is needed, what to take him by the collar, put him in the trunk and take him here and poke him with his nose, that whats going on, well then it might come, but you wont take everyone away, and even then youll receive a criminal case for forcibly taking someone somewhere, i dont know, it seems to me like information. A lot of people in our country dont tell about the war, journalists talk on social networks, you see people in military uniforms on the streets, military vehicles, which even without a white cross are easy to recognize by their condition, you see volunteers, well, if people manage to close their eyes and not see the war and live such a cheerful life, scattering money from the stage there, even with such an influx of information. Having fun, somehow, forgetting about the war, well, it seems to me that here you can only reach everyone personally, and only with a fist. We will now listen to comments on the streets of kyiv about whether people know about the war at all, it is mainly there, we are talking about young people, but to be honest, i didnt expect it, well, i dont think that this can happen, it turns out that it can, lets listen, do you know about the defense of mariupol, nothing, nothing, no . I dont know anything, i dont read the news, why . And i dont like to burden myself with bad news, and im for good, and everything is bad there and i dont want to burden myself, how did the defense of mariupol end, at the moment, no, it was may 20, 22, and on the 20th, the defense azovstali, and azstalwart, well, until now, how is it . I forgot what this thing is called theses in short the power plant is being occupied, im talking about azstal, but im talking about azal, and honestly, i have no idea, mr. Kirilo, your reaction is young people, its possible in the future defenders of ukraine, well, in principle, i dont want to burden myself, thats why i dont watch the news, and how is he not afraid to wake up when there will be some chuchen or buryat with a machine gun standing nearby, well, i dont understand, i attribute it to the fact that the journalist probably interviewed 20 people, three or four of them turned out to be, well, they turned out to be like that, they were included in the story to show, its shocking relation, i believe that it is not massive, of course, but there are such people, well, what, i dont know, deprive them of citizenship, well, there is such a question, in fact, people say, why should i protect evaders and their family. A carefree life without them. Everyone understands that we protect our families, our homes, our country, but why do these people feel so carefree. I do not understand this at all, well, it somehow does not fit into my head. We will now watch another video from the wedding of a famous person who became famous with a minus sign cake for 100,000 hryvnias, as someone said that in this cake, if you could make a house in it, you could it would be to accommodate a family of immigrants , well, they felt quite comfortable inside this cake, at the prince of saudi arabia, at prince harry, when he married the prince of britain, they had much smaller cakes and pastries. At the wedding, well just see the scope and scale of this revelry, lets take a look. It happened just when the active offensive actions of the enemy began, the enemy in avdiivka, here, well, actually, it is the same thing that happened there and here, it is just such a phenomenon, and it is again the same only, only what we see is to ban similar, mass, such entertainment events, promotions, well , you want to get married, you have love. Great, thank god, please, make friends modestly, then go for a walk sometime after the war, how or simply, well, you know, its demotivating, its surprising, and i think that the military, who risk their lives every day, well, it causes questions to which, unfortunately, there is no answer, it is possible to simply introduce some strict rules in a warring country, well, you immediately treat people unfairly, because how can you compare some prince of saudi arabia or the prosecutor of the pechersk district and an employee of the db. And their parents probably dont work in some Boring Company either, its a lot, i actually look, i try to let my emotions go and i think what a rich country we really have, if our officials live from generation to generation, new ones appear and also are getting rich very quickly, in fact, there are many countries , very powerful economies, very large resources, how would we get rid of these. This system, which for 30 years allows riches not to those who work, not to the state, not to individual people, namely to those who control, make sure that the law is implemented, fight corruption, including how to break this system, and then we , well, it will really turn out that we are a very rich country, and germans and poles will come to beg us, immigrants to get ukrainian citizenship, i only, they mentioned germans and poles, i will only say that in the Second Quarter of this year, ukrainians spent consumer goods in poland, plus or minus half a billion, half a billion, of these dollars, there are 14 billion zlotys, well there a large amount, a large amount was spent, not half a billion hryvnias, yes, a billion zlotys, well , thats about it, germans were in first place in terms of spending, and ukrainians in poland were second. Place in terms of expenses from foreigners, that is that there are opportunities and the desire to spend money, but at the same time, despite everything, there are such people, there are people who do not care at all, there are people who attack a military man with a knife in in kyiv, as it happened in a botanical garden, in my opinion, because , if i am not mistaken, there are different, different people in the fields, but this society must somehow be stitched together, because you know how, dividaye timpera divides my lord, this is a maxim from the time of the roman empire, julius caesar, it. Can be used by the enemy very effectively, well , it can be used even now, so again, we are not spreading treason here now, that some are bad, some are good, this is such a society , it is all together like this, with different ones, but it is Still Necessary to try to stitch it together and convey the understanding of war to other people, so that they behave at least a little more calmly, maybe at least a little and a little differently treat both soldiers and war , and to his own participation in this war, that without them there will be no victory, but without them, well, there will be no victory, please. I understand your aspiration is a bit idealistic, a bit like that, with sympathy for people, that lets sew society together, yes, of course, this is a very noble goal, well, the goal is like that, its cool, but if you look at it from the other side, when you have oncology, it is not sewn up , they are cutting her off, i dont quite understand why the guy who is fighting here next to me is also young, he is 22 years old, he hit bohdanovka near bakhmut, there was a barrage of fire, the projectile flew almost into our dugout of the dksp, 2,300 the wounded, he is a little so dazed, and he is so thin, he pulled out, pulled out the bag, and they were taken from the point, they were already taken further to us to kanstahi, there they were taken further, and after the war, these guys, who survived, who, some lost their limbs, some just wounded, someone contused, we are all a little confused now, in a different way than normal people, why are these people who are freezing now, eating something, these tin cans, something, well, everything went through, they protected the country, they lost friends, brothers, why they will be the same. Citizens like these who do not want themselves load, prozovstal, i honestly dont know, everyone who goes to weddings and weddings, parties, will they really enjoy equal rights in the country, well, its not entirely clear, you said very wise words, kirill, i wont even add anything more , i thank you, first of all, that you are there, and to all your brothers and sisters, convey a big hello, thanks and congratulations from all of you. Ukraine, i do not know who is there, how, i, through myself, through myself will say, thank you for your comments, take care of yourself, and i believe that, i believe that we will try to do differently, or to teach society differently, differently, yes , and my colleagues say hello, rema and lyutsika, and to all those five cats of yours, may they also protect you, kryosan was with us a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, a political scientist, we wish good luck to him at the front, he said very wise and correct words, indeed. 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And destroyed, they will try, the dawn will dawn. Our values and ukrainian point of view remain unchanged. Hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of radio svoboda. Top guests every day. This is the shipping district of kherson included live. We are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. We tell the main thing. On weekdays at 9 00. See this week in the Judicial Program control with tatyana shustrova. Unlocking the disciplinary function of the vrp. How successful is the transformation. But why did the Supreme Council of justice lash out at public activists. Pressure is exerted on the judge, which may affect his further activities. On thursday, october 26, at 5 45 p. M. , watch the judicial control program with tetyana shostrova on the espresso tv channel. There is a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war for minds. Russia is throwing millions of petrodollars into turning ukrainians into little russians. 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