Were close. Well, without property, without money, without anything, just as they stood, they were expelled, and we somehow did not turn these people into refugees in the camps, but we simply gave them citizenship, they live in israel, and we assimilated them, why dont you assimilate , the palestinian arabs who live among you, and the palestinian negotiators, as a rule , say, what does it matter to us, we expelled these jews, well, you talk about it with egypt, with syria, there with lebanon, with yemen. All those who expelled, let them give you money, compensation, why are we here, it is not our problem, and it is a dead end, because many people cannot to understand that any talk about the creation of two states always faces one problem, the arabs do not want to create any states, well, until the moment when the problem of these refugees who left the territory of israel itself is solved, if these and people who pass the Refugee Status as an inheritance to their greatgrandchildren, although in fact there is no such thing anymore nobody and nowhere, i am a refugee, but my children were born in lebanon, my grandchildren were born in lebanon, they have never been to these lands, they speak the dialects of the arabic language that are used in livno, the fathers of my grandchildren live in the gas sector all their lives , we have never been there, well no, we have to be here, and you understand that this is a huge problem, because even if you imagine a solution. Of this problem, then it will mean that the jewish state disappears from the political map of the world, when this argument is heard in the negotiations, then another argument appears , well, whats the difference, there will be a state for everyone, as we wanted, why would you a jewish state, there will be a state of arabs, jews , a secular state, everyone will be respected, and these arguments, they sound very interesting against the background of what has happened since now, because everyone they understand that this is only if not. it is politically correct to say that this is talking of the teeth, in fact there is a very simple idea , which is expressed in a simple and elementary slogan, to throw the jews into the sea, and somehow, of course, i would like to do it, but the wars have not yet produced the results that the Arab Governments had hoped for, and that is why the governments of the arab countries are more and more inclined to find some kind of peaceful coexistence with israel and then solve the palestinian issue against the background of this peaceful coexistence problem, perhaps by absorbing Palestinian Refugees in arab countries, these may be different approaches, but here there is iran, which does not want all this, and iran gives money to its proxy armies, hamas in the Palestinian Authority or, hezbollah in lebanon, because i understand that time also runs out and that if israel comes to an agreement with saudi arabia, but in fact this story broke the agreements between israel and saudi arabia, then this will be the end of radicalism, and the end of radicalism means that there is practically no chance for iran, has increased its influence in the middle east, and iran is using the current wound, this whole history to be a major power in the region, this is another player that has never been there before, because the iran that was before the islamic revolution, it had good relations with israel and believed that this problem should be resolved through negotiations , well, iran, lets say, believes that the relations between azerbaijan and armenia should be resolved, approximately this is the role shahs iran played in the middle east, so now, i have told you all these circumstances that show that the situation in impasse, but i still believe that the palestinians are wasting time, that it will end with them not having any state. Because , first of all, they strengthen the positions of their own radicals, and thus create an opportunity for israel to more and more displace the radicals and their supporters. Ugh, so the population, well, its real, its also not politically correct to speak, and secondly, they re just wasting time, because the israeli rightwing will create more and more settlements on the territory of the very west bank of the jordan river, and the demographic balance there is changing. There is also a very important point here, one must also understand that Yasser Arafat once believed that he also spoke about it openly, that the main weapon of the palestinians is not terror. And the mother of the palestinian woman, that there will simply be so many palestinians that there will be no problem for them to simply flood the sea, ugh, and the population, this did not happen, because the arabs of the west bank of the jordan river and the arabs of israel live now as a middleclass european people, they have not a high birth rate, a high birth rate only in the gas sector, among jews israel also has a low birth rate, but there are two population groups that give birth. Very high, these are arabs from the gas sector and religious jews, who will have 810 children each, this means that the very nature of Israeli Society is changing, ugh, it means those liberal jews who lived there in the 40s and 50s , by the way, these are the very people who are developing the country, who want to negotiate with the arabs, these are the people whose heads were cut off, by the way, the hamasites are the people who live in these otkibuts on the border with the gaza strip, these are people of leftist beliefs, liberal , which always wanted to negotiate there, there are fewer and fewer of them, religious jews who do not at all understand why they should negotiate with people whom the lord did not settle there on this earth, well, there will be more and more if this story continues for another 2030 years , the window for the palestinian arabs will be closed for good, just as it was closed for the karabakh. Well, there will simply be some other solution, some piece of territory will be annexed to egypt, a piece of territory will be annexed to jordan, a piece of territory will remain with israel, there will be an international conference, about that that were there some people who identified themselves as palestinians, no one will remember, of course you can assume that, well, then we will kill all of you and you will solve this problem faster, i think not, i think that the chance was lost. Very seriously, i regret it, i say it again, because i have been a supporter of the idea of coexistence of these two states all my life. I dont see any big problems for an arab state to exist in the territories where the majority of the population, the palestinian arabs, coexist with the state where the majority of the population is the jews, israel. The first step to this was done when all the israeli troops took and left the sector. The gas was also eliminated there, those palestinian settlements that were there, what happened the next day, the arabs of selecrugas burned all the tables, the cultivation of flowers and vegetables there, which was invested with human labor, and after a certain time they started shelling israel from this territory with rockets and so on , so when they say, oh, you know, i read again about this palestinian activist of the left, oh, the natives broke through the fence, but you dont have any fence. You have the sea there there is an area with a large sea coast, if you were not with the supporters of a terrorist organization, you could make a model for all palestinians in this area, show, you see what happens if there are no israeli troops, we have a port here, we have trade here , we have development here, we have skyscrapers here, we have here the second israel, the second arab emirates, the second egypt, and over there on the west bank of the jordan river, where the israeli troops stand, the confrontation is declining. Struggle between Israeli Settlers and arab population, instead of making this model, we decided, we decided , we will make a model, we will, and why cant they make this model, i will tell you why, because the idea of every such, supporter of hamas is that he does not want to live in the gas sector, he wants to live in tel aviv, in haifa, in ashkelon and in the houses that were built , houses that were built by jews, used skyscrapers that were built by jews, and not only jews, jews, Israeli Arabs, why jews, and i tell you again, Israeli Arabs million, this state and the state of israel was built both by the labor of jews and by the labor of arabs, there is no need to stand up here , you know, to the position of the extreme radical Political Parties of israel, what do you think that a Million People do not build ukraine, of course they do, but even if there is a majority of six or seven million, these houses were built by workers of both jewish and arab origin and people who came to work from the gas sector and from the west. Banks, everyone did it, the idea is not who builds them, the idea is that they want so that there is no jews in these houses, and this is not some theory, i remember how i studied with people from the palestinian territories at the faculty of journalism, and we sat and looked at this map and saw where it should be like this, where it should be like this and here one of the boys always said, vitaliy, stop messing with the map, my grandparents are from jaffa, ugh, and i want to live in tel aviv, where there will be no jews, and i said why in tel aviv . Well, live in jaffa, where your grandparents lived, uh, no, because jaffa is bad, there are small houses, there old buildings, i want in those modern houses, i saw them, you, well, those were still times when i did not see israel, but they saw, there are beautiful houses, you just need to expel the jews, how to continue dialogue, dialogue is difficult to conduct, because this is a private dialogue, and i perfectly understood that if we talk like this in private, messengers of peace, everything is told to me frankly, then the question arises, very simple, and what we hear in political negotiations, of course, there are a lot of sober political palestinian politicians , would like to know about all this agree, would like to create a state, but they are not supported. It turns out that they are supported by the palestinian street only when they start saying nothing, we, you dont worry, we agree, but we will definitely destroy israel, and here it is we come out, we enter this dead end, and i think that this dead end, it is certainly dangerous, but it favors not the palestinian arabs, but the israelis, as a jew should be happy about this, but as a person who nevertheless adheres to humanistic views and believes that each the people have a place under the sun i am not happy about it, i am deeply saddened by the fact that the arabs of palestine cannot realize their national potential, because they are held hostage by radical views, that they support bandits and murderers, and that they have not even found in them no one has the strength, no one has the power to condemn the murder of the poor residents of gaza. In no Arab Government , with the exception, it seems, of the United Arab Emirates government, no one has said, yes, we support the right of the palestinians to establish their own state, however, if this right is the issue of beheading babies, we dont support it, so if its not there, if the people who go to the propalestinian demonstrations dont say it, then clearly, these demonstrations should be ignored, because they are. Essentially an echo of the holocaust, ugh, the people who come out to these demonstrations, they are the descendants of those whose hands are in jewish blood, just in europe, and it doesnt matter under what pretext they come out, they just have the realization of everything that brought their grandfathers and grandmother to the ovens of auschwitz and made them from a long distance, i would say from france to russia. Participants in one of the greatest crimes in the history of mankind, and the arab countries, which do not express any sentiments about it, are not such states either security guarantees that can be expected. And we come again, many decades back, to 1948, when the jewish state believed that it could stand only if it was strong, and not only because it could come to an agreement with its arab neighbors, and this is a dangerous moment, by the way, dont worry. Such a dangerous moment here, we also had illusions that we could come to an agreement with russia, this is exactly the same story, and of course there were always those people among us who believed that it was possible to come to an agreement with russia, and here i look like a rightwing israeli politician, no need to aggravate it, because i always said, no, you will not negotiate, all your desire to negotiate will lead to the fact that your head will be cut off, everyone said, it is figurative, no, not figurative, it will just be your head and your body will lie in the grave separately. Not figuratively, literally, and everyone thought that it was absolutely crazy, in the same way that the words of right wing israeli politicians were treated in israel, well , they were treated at this point, and now i have such a difficult situation that when i talk about israel, i speak as a liberal politician, and when i speak about ukraine, i speak as a rightwing politician, because i absolutely have a clear understanding that ukrainians have no historical chance to come to an agreement with russia. End the war that they, or they will be able to fend off it, or as a nation they will disappear, well, they will disappear, just like the jews will disappear, if they do not fend off all this terrorist danger, israel has already done a lot. Because he fought back from egypt, from syria, from jordan, from iraq, all that remains is to solve the problem with palestinian terrorism, not with the palestinians, but with palestinian terrorism, and the problem of iran, and that will be all, so to speak, to put it simply to close gesheft with your tongue, and there is not much left of ukraine, but listen, there is no such thing as russian terrorism, as there is none, and that russia is not behaving as a terrorist state, we live with you in the world, look, there are, then it means that there are good ones. Russians no, wait, of course there is, the very idea that there are no normal russians, its the same idea, if there are no normal palestinians, it s pure nazism, im sorry, yes, the ideology of nazism is so beautiful, i know that it is perceived by many ukrainians, i i understand people who just want to see the world that way, but it is not necessary ideologically to call a spade a spade, if a person says that all palestinians must be destroyed, or all jews must be destroyed, or must all russians be destroyed, this is nazism, but i am not talking about that, the question is not the responsibility of the people, there is a question of the characteristics of the state, here hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to solve problems at the expense of killing civilians, and which acquired all the characteristics of a terrorist state, ugh, and russia is a terrorist state that believes that all problems can be solved by exterminating civilians, and which was not all the signs of a terrorist organization . Why was President Biden able to unite russia and hamas, because its the same thing, and so when you ask what you mean, with which good and bad russians should be united to negotiate, there is the government of the russian federation, there is the president of the russian federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich putin, who is supported by the vast majority of russian citizens federation, they will vote for him, i assure you that if there were fair and competitive elections now, they would also vote for him for one simple reason, he does not solve the problem of the territorial integrity of the country, as they imagine, from uzhgorod to ashgabat, there are people in russia who have different views , some believe that russia can solve this problem of territorial integrity exclusively by political and economic means, some believe that in general russia should exist within the borders of the russian federation, and with ukraine and other former soviet republics to build relations with ordinary independent states, we have also seen a lot of such people, they are just not the majority, they do not decide how the russian state will act, if they are ever in power in this country, in why i doubt it, we can agree on everything with them, the question is whether ukraine will exist at this moment if we wait for them to come to power, and we will agree with them if we wait for them to come to the authorities, all of us will simply be burned by this time, and the state will be destroyed. Not only are we waiting, the world is also somehow waiting, the world expects to solve this problem without a nuclear war, the ukrainian problem, without a nuclear war, this means that either we understand whether it is possible to solve the problem of territorial integrity sovereignty of ukraine without a nuclear war, or what must be sacrificed to prevent a nuclear war, to be completely cynical , well, if we have a nuclear war on one side, a window. On the other, ukraine, then we probably still think that it is better for us to leave half of ukraine, but also so that there is no nuclear war, if we are there, we will all be burned, no, not all of us, but those who will remain in this part of the territory before russia will rule, and those who will move to this territory, will live in ukraine, but this again, this is a question of how many will remain and so on, these are all figurative questions, the peace of the world does not have such, such a choice, ugh, because in nuclear. War remains a theory, and therefore the world is doing everything to restore our territorial integrity, otherwise we would not have been given atakams, and the f16, this is not for fun, this is not a childs toy, this is just a weapon so that we can either restore territorial integrity, or, if you want to conclude an effective truce with moscow, so now these talks with china, so that china will put pressure on russia, there are no such talks, no china will put pressure on russia, this is all childrens talk, china is interested in this war being as long as possible, so that russia wins in it. Where do these childish ideas come from, that china should put pressure on russia, why . Russia is exhausting the west. Russia proves that an authoritarian regime can be effective. Russia can maintain relations with iran that do not compromise china. Why does china put pressure on russia . Explain to me well, then why is there the European Union, there is the United States urging china to do this, well, we can urge you too. The European Union and the United States will line up own relations with the peoples republic of china, because the peoples republic of china is an economic superpower, because the European Union and the United States have long been trapped in the economy of the peoples republic of china, and if they refuse the Economic Services of the peoples republic of china, then the western economy will simply disappear in 48 hours, its will have to build anew. Well, we didnt invent that. Volodymyrin, as you know, said that a capitalist can sell you this rope on which you will hang him. From the west the same story happened with capitalism and its relations with the peoples republic of china, we always believed that lenin was exaggerating, but he did not exaggerate in the case of china, he just probably did not understand when he wrote it that there could be a communist state. Market economy, and we now understand, it arose before our eyes, it was not there, so when we see the meeting between sidzempin and putin, we do not think how china will press the russian federation, this is a wrong way of thinking, we must try to understand, where another one will start war, if they met, it was definitely not for someone to put pressure on someone, but to agree whether there would be a war in korea, whether china would attack taiwan, or whether there would be something else, because thats all. Conflict, we are only on the threshold of real big wars with the death of a large number of people, it has not started yet, it will start, we will still witness it ukrainian war, it is a warmup before the real war, so i think that when they meet, they talk about it are talking, and with this President Biden should meet sydzenpinna, because sydzenpinna should be a big folder with files, where he will show that this will be here, here, here, here and here and he can. Fade out a little bit here, a little bit fade out here, a little bit, next, for that he needs this, that, that and that, and of course, in this situation, he can protect the interests of his allies, the president , putin, and yatala, khamaniya, kimchanin, because this is a fight, a real global war between democracies and dictatorships, this is the third world war, it is already underway, the only question is when it will enter the phase of heated confrontation in many parts of the world, and whether it will nuclear component. This is the most interesting, because then we will be able to count the victims not by tens and hundreds of thousands, but by millions. Everything else has already been started in the mechanism, it is already working, and by the way, when i told all this nonsense at the beginning of the russianukrainian war, no one believed it, but now there is a near east, right . Well, now i can, again, i said that in principle, i also told you that i have already described this war geographically, the israeli one back in. In march 2020, so good, after israel, who might be next far east, lets see what will happen with the south caucasus, i really hope that the president , erdogan and president aliyev, are people who have common sense, now a lot depends on them, if they refrain from a new conflict in the south caucasus, then they are for to a large extent slow down this process, ugh, this is very important, but you have no idea how great it is. The southeast is important, now the main politician of the modern world is ilham aliyev, if he holds back and finds opportunities to sign some kind of Peace Agreement with armenia, or not to sign a Peace Agreement i will tell you, but to make some kind of corridor to nakhichovni, not through armenia, but through iran , and simply leave armenia there in peace, let it wallow in its economy and its problems there, it will be a huge blow to the positions of putin and sitzenpin. Mr. Vitaly, we have six minutes left, i just. That our viewers will go drink some sedative or something after that, some positive, the one who gets into this mess first, he can come out with a better result, yes, that is, we have winning positions, we have positions of what we can in this situation localize the conflict, it will be localized, because no one is interested in the conflict in ukraine growing, and then we have a chance, by and large, because everyone will need everyone. To somehow protect europe from the further spread of conflicts, to relocate at a certain moment, it will still be big problems and big sacrifices , both human and economic, and so on, but we can get into the audience box. The main task of any country and any nation in the next 30 years of the 21st century is to get into the worldwatching box. This is in fact, what are ukrainians worried about, what are israelis afraid of . That we look at the next phases of this. Of the conflict from the audience box, because now we are on the stage, we are being shelled, we are being killed, we are being destroyed, our neighbors are from the countries of Central Europe , they are watching this, they sympathize with us, they are helping us, they are looking at us, ugh, we also need to sit down , take lordet and consider others, we will then have great programs with you, we will not be interrupted by sirens, you know how the best air is now, which is this israeli ukrainian when. A person says oh , you know, to me, we are broadcasting from the bomb shelter, a person from ukraine speaks, and a person from israel says oh, i will come to the bomb shelter now and we will continue, here we have from this bomb shelter , to go out into the world where there are no. Shelters, where there are no sirens, and to understand that others will have them, so what, that is the task, so to drink, not to drink, well , thats how it is, thats how the world looks, you can drink, i dont know, vodka or sedative, i prefer sedative, i prefer vodka, i wasnt advertising, because it is necessary to preserve some healthy stupidity, but one must understand that we already live in such a world, well, it will not be different , you cannot change the world, you know, just by drawing some childrens pictures, a complicated world, it will be better , after 3040 years democracies will win dictatorships, that is, after 3040 years we will move to this spectator box, we will move to this spectator box in the next two, three or four years, because the highintensity war will be replaced by a lowintensity war, and even if not this war will end with some kind of truce in the nearest year or two, in any case, a lowintensity war takes into account whether the dictatorships will have other interests, it will give us the opportunity to reduce the number of victims and start developing, even this is the worst option that we have, uh, the worst option, except, that is, the best option is peace, and the worst option is war, low intensity, you understand that it is impossible, if you have a chess game on different boards, with a lot of weapons to provide one the only conflict so big stretched ee part. The front, no, and russia will definitely get involved somewhere, also, ugh, but there is no strength, power, strength for this, but there is a need, because this regime will not survive otherwise, and they can get involved the way they are getting involved now, helping hamas, helping someone else, but you understand that its still iron, its shells, its missiles, its drones, if russia and iran are doing it, well, theyre not, not even. China, im sorry, china will still be wary of it, and north korea, if conflicts spread over different places, then it reduces the level of conflict here, and that is why , on the one hand, the globalization of the conflict is very dangerous, and on the other hand, it localizes the conflict here, we need to fight for the localization of the conflict here and the globalization of the world world conflicts will help it to localize, well, its all simple, thats why many say that oh , then well be gone, no one will forget about us, but russia does not have, will not have the strength to lead this multifaceted game, because it simply does not have will be then economic opportunities, so i say either a truce, which i do not really believe in, but it will not be happy for us, and it will be already next year, or a low intensity war, which will give us the opportunity to even hope for the restoration of territorial integrity in the future, but this war will most likely take place there a little later, will we have someone to fight this lowintensity war . Of low intensity, there will be someone to lead, because this is not a small number of victims of the same intensity, approximately what was, ato, of course, and given that we are now much better armed technically, we have modern western weapons, we have, there was nothing there then, then of course we can minimize the number of casualties to the israeli one to zero. I mean, when this line goes, we will build fences, we will be technological , communications, we will track them from satellites, we will live like this, although i would like to live in peace, i am optimistic, i want to wish all our citizens who us are looking, and to the israelites who will look there someday, that we all live in peace is my wish, but as a political analyst i have to list various options, its just work, thank you oles, they prepared you. Dear viewers, lets hope for the worst, lets hope for the best, thank you for being with us, thank you, mr. 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