Poland that their western lands were a gift to russia. One of his chief advisers, the former president of russia called estonia, latvia and lithuania the baltic provinces of russia. These are all poto allies. Earlier , the American Media reported that biden plans to ask congress for 100 billion in aid, 60 of which will go to ukraine and another 10 to israel. Also, part of the funds is earmarked for taiwan and for security on the border with mexico. The Reuters Agency writes that by combining aid for three. Countries into one package, the Biden Administration is checking whether it will be possible in this way to convince republican congressmen to allocate help for kyiv. Earlier, let me remind you, some republicans refused to include aid for ukraine in the interim budget of the United States of america. Oleksandr kraev, expert of the ukrainian prizma Foreign Policy council, joins our broadcast. Good morning yes, congratulations, good morning to you. Mr. Oleksandr, does the ukrainian issue remain ukraines top priority for the United States in terms of support and assistance, or have the events in israel pushed ukraine somewhat into the background . Well, as we see, even by the amounts that biden is asking for, ukraine still remains a priority, simply because when we talk about israel, when we talk about the threat posed by hamas, President Biden was absolutely right when he said that hamas and putin have something in common, but they are completely different types of threats, because when we talk about hamas, we are still talking about a terrorist organization that has a limited potential for influence. And for which an unexpected terrorist act is the main weapon. When we talk about russia, we talk about one of the biggest armies in the world, we talk about nuclear potential, the second largest in the world, that is, we are talking about a real huge threat not only to ukraine, not only to europe, in principle to the existence of humanity as such, that is why these threats are incomparable and that is why we see that ukraine still remains a priority, and in in terms of allocating weapons, and in terms of allocating funds. Position. It is clear to me that American Society and congress are ready to support ukraine and israel, because , experts say, the attitude towards the events in israel is actually different in many countries and the west and, in general, those who assesses the situation that is happening there, as you absolutely rightly pointed out, the attitude to the israeli context is completely different, but that is why, by the way, we see such a large unifying budget, we see that we have united the budget under ukraine, under israel, under taiwan and under the protection of the southern border, that is, in essence, not voting for this budget now, well, it is more expensive for any american politician, that is, every american politician, whether republican or democrat, he supports at least one of these in one way or another topics he definitely supports either helping ukraine, or supporting israel, or preparing taiwan for war with china, or, and this is for sure, supporting the protection of the southern border of the United States. Thats why this kind of unifying budget allows us to say that all the interests of all groups of citizens are taken into account in this budget, and all the interests of various politicians are also taken into account, that is, we are essentially returning to the practice of the cold war, when in general, the International Security of the United States, where everything is included in general and the package is not divided, but still in the context israel and ukraine , i will ask this very simply, that is, the position of the states at all levels, and the white house, and the republicans and democrats there would rather allocate money to ukraine than to allocate money to israel, correct . If we simplify everything very much, then yes, simply because israel has tactical needs, israel needs a very small amount of weapons, very specific, and right now, and ukraine needs everything, and ukraine needs it all for a long time, ukraine needs it for a year or two, therefore, in fact, it is much easier to calculate the budget for israel, because conventionally the budget for israel is 10 billion and thats all, and this closes all issues, and the budget for ukraine is 5 billion more for this year. And 60 are planned for the next one, that is, it is better to plan more for ukraine, because it is more difficult to do it for ukraine , please tell me more, this is the active position of the United States regarding the war in ukraine, the events in israel, it is in addition to the fact that the International Security of the United States , it is also a demonstration for the example of beijing and those dictators who are now that the west, it remains strong, and it is ready to unite around itself and help, or not it will turn out like this, conditionally, that the United States, which gives money to such and such and aid to such and such, will weaken itself and america will be weak in the future, and this may be in the hands of beijing, i dont know, conditionally, well , thats exactly what President Biden said during his last big interview, he said. After all, america is the strongest state in history, not that the world right now, in principle of history, and america can help israel, ukraine, and taiwan, america should do it, because logic very simple, it is much cheaper to spend 100 billion now to help allies, than to spend trillions and trillions later, when you have to really fight in full against china, which has strengthened due to the defeat of taiwan, against russia, which sat down. Due to, god forbid , the defeat of ukraine against all the near east that can defeat israel , i. E. The planning of the americans, it is somewhat businesslike, it is much better and more profitable to spend now, support now, invest now, than to directly dig into all possible problems later. As well as do you relate to those statements that are repeatedly mentioned in zmi, that perhaps in the pentagon and in the states in general they are preparing for a potential direct confrontation, for example with china in the future, but the United States in this context they somehow have this understanding, they are preparing really before that . They are really preparing for this, they see that china is completing the modernization of its own land armed forces, even before the 27th year, china will modernize its Nuclear Armed forces, that is , it is clear that china itself is essentially preparing for such a confrontation, and therefore the logic of this a new cold war between washington and beijing requires that the United States at least be ready for this format of confrontation, this does not mean that the americans want this war. It definitely does not mean that the americans will start this war, it just means that in todays conditions you have to be ready that if your key strategic opponent gets certain weapons, gets certain new technologies, you have to be on a level with him, thats all , that is, the americans remain ready for such a development. But about those groups of influence that currently exist in american politics, how big or small is that part that is actually against allocating any aid to ukraine, which first of all. The next funds should go specifically to the interests of the americans. Well, with regard to the trumpists, what is the matter, specifically the trumpists who are ready to vote against the ukrainian packages and are ready to influence other politicians, there are about 20 of them, but the question is, they very successfully and very skillfully use the ukrainian theme, that is, they undermine they talk about the ukrainian topic under the southern border, they tie the ukrainian issue to the fight against what they call leftwing culturalism, they tie the ukrainian issue to the defense of israel and taiwan, and in this way they will be able to find allies among other republicans and even among some democrats in blocking ukrainian aid packages, do they remain influential , well, while the speakership is in progress, until we have a new speaker of the house of representatives, until we can vote on the budget for the next federal year, or rather the federal budget for next year, then yes, unfortunately, they have some influence, they feel at home in just such chaos. And they manipulate this chaos, but ukraine, like israel, like taiwan, for them is not a topic in itself, for them it is a tool, their main goal is to gain as much influence and power as possible in those cases when they start judging donald trump. One more question will concern the president of the United States himself, america is included in the election process, there will be elections, to what extent, well in fact, a Firm Position in the context of supporting ukraine and israel can play into bidens hand, or vice versa. In his hand and he will either gain votes or lose those votes. Look, the latest polls show us that one way or another, but more than 65 of americans are interested in giving ukraine weapons, further help, that is, very ordinary political logic, it is better to do what 65 of the population likes than what like 35, so essentially yes, biden will play on such key Foreign Policy narratives, and speaking of his. Personal campaign, well, lets remember that ukraine is his, its his topic, its his success story, hes been leading this direction since he was Vice President , so in fact, biden will definitely win ukraine, he will definitely get political points, because through ukraine he embodies many other issues, through ukraine he embodies resistance to dictators, through ukraine he embodies resistance specifically to china, through ukraine he shows good european politics, through ukraine. He shows himself to be just a Strong International player, he shows character, so one way or another, but ukraine for him is just a pool for political points. Thank you very much, mr. Oleksandr, oleksandr kraev, expert of the foreign council. Politicians ukrainian prism, the guest of our broadcast, we talked about the current attitude of the white house towards ukraine and whether the events in israel will not interfere with future aid to ukraine from the United States. The Security Service of ukraine accused the leadership of the Russian Orthodox church of creating private military companies. These pmcs are stated in the statement, are created to participate in the war against ukraine. One such st. Andrews cross is based in st. Petersburg. The sbu reported that the financing of these organizations is carried out by businessmen close to putin, but they recruit future army men from among the parishioners. It is reported that preference is given to men who have already served in the ranks of military units of the army of the Russian Federation and have combat experience. After enlisting, the mercenaries allegedly undergo a course of tactical and fire training, after which they are part of other formations of the russian armies take part in hostilities against the ukrainian army. The russian side did not respond to these accusations. I should also add that the Security Service of ukraine is currently the only source of this information. We cannot check it in the conditions of war. But the Ukrainian Parliament in the First Reading supported the bill on the ban of religious organizations connected with russia. The legislative initiative was supported by 267 peoples representatives. This law may ban the activities of the ukrainian Orthodox Church, until recently the Moscow Church, in ukraine of the patriarchate, which denies any connection with russia, although in 2022 the Expert Commission of the Civil Service on ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience established it. The bill envisages a complex and lengthy procedure for banning religious Communities Associated with russia. In short, the process looks like this. The state service for ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience first establishes that a certain religious organization has its center in russia. The Service Issues a prescription to the church to correct it. If this does not happen, the organization is brought to court, which actually has to approve ban therefore, they can go from the beginning to the actual ban. Years, in addition, the uocp has a complex Legal Organization and is divided into a total of more than 90 religious legal entities. For a ban, it will be necessary to sue each of them. The Russian Church has already reacted. The head of the Russian Orthodox church , kyrylo gundyaev, called on the International Community to support the uoc. The appeal published on the website of the Russian Orthodox church refers to the socalled discrimination of believers in ukraine. He said that the declaration of the uoc as a church is illegal i quote, he puts it the ukrainian state is one of the largest. More sinister godfighting regimes of the past. That was the end of the quote. In december of last year, ukrainian president zelensky implemented a decision on sanctions against religious organizations affiliated with the center of influence in russia. The draft law on the ban of such organizations was registered in january, but until october there were discussions about its adoption. Now, after approval in the First Reading , amendments will be submitted to the draft law, and after their consideration , they will be voted on in the second reading. And 66 ukrainians believe that the activities of the ukrainian Orthodox Church, which is in contact with the moscow patriarchate, should be banned, this is the data of sociologists of the kmis, who interviewed people in mayjune of this year. Radio svoboda correspondent roksolana bychay asked those who were in kyiv at the time she worked on the streets of the city, as well as near the Kyiv Pechersk lavra and in the center of the capital, how they reacted to the decision of the parliament, whether it was correct and is it on time lets hear peoples answers. Verkhovna the Council Adopted the law today. About the ban on religious organizations that are managed from outside of ukraine, conditionally speaking, the ubcp will ban, what do you think the proceredniki have already banned, the tribesmen of zelensky lenin banned the church, you will remain a parishioner of the ukrainian Orthodox Church of the moscow patriarchate, if it is banned, yes, because the kingdom of heaven and the church of god on earth has slightly different boundaries than these entities, will you continue to conduct services if, for example, they still ban you, well, not will they ban this, what they are doing today is pr action, they are not engaged in anything else except pr action , they passed the bill in the First Reading, but if it is passed, what does it mean, it does not mean anything, will this decision somehow affect will not affect you, yes it will, we will pray more, live more in a christian way and communicate with our friends, everywhere and in the state and outside the state, have you somehow communicated with the parishioners, talked with them somehow about the fact that they can accept such bill exactly what you were talking about is it doesnt matter, it doesnt affect us, im just curious, what did you say to them yesterday, that it wont affect us in any way, we, we, as churches, will remain, the Moscow Church must completely leave ukraine, the Ukrainian Church only, although i used to be a member of the moscow patriarchate, but i will be able to switch to the holidays and go to the kyiv temple or to the ukrainian temple as long as there is an opportunity , but for now i have to keep my fingers crossed, because god forbid, everything will end someday, and again moscow priests will pretend that in they are a bunch of people and they are oppressed for no reason at all, there were warehouses, people were transferred there, they start from the 14th year, a lot of public stories, some of them did not sing our defenders, this is nonsense in general, they are one of the tools of russia, which in helped that this situation. And now they are helping to split Society Little by little, do you think it is necessary to ban the uocp or not, it is not necessary, i think it is the only Canonical Church that exists on the territory of ukraine, and if it is banned by law, will you continue to go to this church . Of course, i will continue goes here, but how, if it does not exist, if it is banned, we will already decide, see what happens next. As orthodox, orthodox, whatever they are, whether belarus, ukraine, or russia, and to forbid it, i dont know what they are thinking there, you can say that, i only know that this is so simple, and what does ukraine have to do with it, to all orthodoxy, let it be what it wants, whoever wants, let him believe in himself, there in their own language, they want, well, thats their business. And then why is russia before orthodoxy . Well, this is orthodoxy from here came out of kyiv, so its not russia, kyiv, but ukraine, well, they were together, people who go to the moscow patriarchate, they are simply used in their hostile interests, i dont know how to do it gently, so as not to there were confrontations, but i think that it should have been done a long time ago, they can ban it, but i dont think that it will be possible to disband so quickly, the structures and even if they disband the church, Something Else will be formed, this is an enemy Agent Network , at least, im not talking about directly influencing citizens, we still need more more unity, and the moscow patriarchate, then there is no unity, we are god s church, not moscow, you understand, god, mykyta poturaev, peoples deputy of ukraine, chairman of the Verkhovna Rada committee on humanitarian and information flight are already joining our broadcast. Good morning. Good morning. Mr. Nikita, you were on the phone, you heard kiyans own survey from my colleagues, and it sounded, i dont know how to do it gently, so that there are no confrontations. The path that ukraine is currently taking in the matter of banning those organizations that can cooperate with by russia is it soft or not soft . He is smart, he is not soft, not hard, he is smart, and he takes into account ukraines International Obligations to comply with international ones. Of international law, it is the only possible one, and you know, even if we were to look for some liberal model there, it would not exclude the possibility of provocations, the possibility that people will blindly use people to present them as victims, unfortunately , its all true, we saw it on the example of the laurel, by the way, in the laurel, that means in two buildings until now, well, on the sedimentary about 20 people barricaded themselves behind such a position, these are not monarchs, these are those who call themselves parishioners, and you see that the state, well, tries not to take any actions that could be posted on the internet, so that it all fell into the russian propaganda cesspool, so that it could be shown that ukraine , you see, therefore oppresses. Unfortunate believers and so on according to the religious principle, and we do not do this, we do everything as maximally, as civilized as possible, as legal as possible and as reasonably as possible, this is exactly what we will continue to do, but what, but what we will not allow, acting on behalf of the ukrainian people, as statesmen, we will not allow the existence of religious organizations here, in particular this particular one, which for some reason is so worried, i wonder why, they said that they. Are already independent, absolutely, they said that after their council they severed all ties, why are they so concerned about this law, and we are not lets assume here the existence of organizations that have connections, all the more subordinate to these pseudochristian, actually satanic sects around the kremlin and inside the kremlin. Mr. Nikita, does yesterdays vote in the First Reading in the council mean that the parliament has fully decided its position, because even yesterday during the voting. The channels were simply overflowing with these videos about how parliamentarians clarify relations among themselves in the context of the uocp itself and so on, and what exercises can be submitted to the second reading, that is, are there any nuances on which conditionally factions do not agree with each other or individual deputies there, well, first of all, i want to say that the telegram and the misunderstandings that abounded are manipulations, because this clash arose after the vote for the law, and before the vote for the law, there during, during, of course, some of the colleagues there expressed their indignation at the speeches of other colleagues there, but there were no clashes, and there only later, indeed one. So one of the deputies, well, obviously deliberately provoked the other, there was such a reaction, uh, well, partly justified, although i believe that fights have no place in the hall the Verkhovna Rada, thats all, uh, but again , after yesterdays vote, 267 deputies voted, it would have been more, it would have been for 270 for sure, because several colleagues, about whom i know 100 , that they voted. They were simply not in the hall yesterday for objective reasons, er, not because of this law, but for objective reasons, so we confidently go to the second reading, and i am convinced that, well, at least at the committee level, we this law , no matter how much spam there is, and i predict that it may be there, of course, we will submit constructive amendments, we together with the dss, we together with our colleagues in the parliament, will submit amendments, there will be amendments that were proposed by the sbu, everything will be there. The law will become stronger, the law will become more effective, mr. Mito, but i would just like to understand , i think the audience, that not only those in pezzh were opponents of the actual adoption of this law, but also some representatives of your faction there, what arguments are they giving , that is, this is the main argument why ukraine cannot now adopt such a bill that would make it impossible in the future on the territory states, those organizations are legitimate, which can cooperate with russia, and you have seen these arguments, you have seen, it means that they are already independent, which is obviously not the case, so if they were independent, they would not have tried so hard to block this law, that the state does not should intervene, that orthodoxy is canonically like that, well, you have seen with these unfortunate deceitful people , well, it is the same, you know, as in the United States, there is almost a sectarian, sectarian such movement, there is kyuno or there are others, yes , we see it all. There abroad, we laugh, a its the same, only here, and when its here, its not funny, there were politically incorrect in my opinion, absolutely views that, like, that means the ocu, then its poroshenkos project , so what this means that i have to support zelenskyi deputies, well, psu is a project of the ukrainian people, i explained it, well, unfortunately, not everyone agrees with me, but again, this group was not at all in our faction. And how many conversations were there, and even yesterday morning, so they said that we have 86 signatures, well, there are 86 signatures, well under 86 signatures against this law, it was all a bluff, it was all a deception, and we saw that the Verkhovna Rada is capable of voting such, truly statist laws, but maybe those 86 are really waiting for the second reading, but what to do with those beliefs as a matter of fact, those who now go to the ukrainian Orthodox Church, the moscow patriarchate, although they forbid their own involvement in that center in russia, yes, how can we deal with them, and we need to conduct some kind of informational and Educational Campaign with them, if, for example, these people believe to the priest, to that priest to who are leaving, he says they will try to ban us conditionally and so on, but how to explain to believers what is really happening . Look, you have to work with them, well, these are horizontal connections and definitely yes , here the state cannot impose anything, because it contradicts precisely our laws on freedom of conscience, the constitution, in the end, it will contradict, or primarily the opposite, then this is public work, first of all, it is media work, yes, it is political work, because when politicians meet with voters, they also have to explain, they have to be informed, they have to be in material and explain, and in fact, this is what happened with us, in particular with our own faction, we were with people, people came to us, colleagues came up, we explained, explained what this law is about, that it is not about a specific church , that he is about religious organizations, in general, it does not matter what religion in general, in whom people believe, yes, that the problem for ukraine, from the point of view of the state, is not the problem of who believes in which god, god, in terms of who maintains which relationships, how do you think the ukrainian woman would have reconciled now . State, if we had any Muslim Community that would be subordinate to hamas or hezbollah, well , obviously not, in the context of the question, well, understand. That the attitude towards hamas in ukraine in general, as well as in the Ukrainian Parliament and in particular the ukrainian people, is absolutely, actually, well, in the context of the fact that they do not support the actions of hamas, but i will have a question in this context, about of the second reading, i would like to close this topic when it is supposed to, because there, again , both the telegram channel and the media wrote differently, someone wrote that almost today there will be a second reading of this law, or is that true, but it was postponed, he asked when the second reading could be, well, this is it again, we should not understand this at all. Well, i dont know if these people who write such stupid things have the audacity to call themselves journalists , there is a procedure, it is known to everyone, it is known to any qualified journalist or expert, so there are two weeks to submit corrections, accordingly, we count from the day voting, plus two weeks, then we will work on the edits, we will see how many there will be of our constructive ones, there will not be so many of them, well, i think, several dozen, maybe there, well, somewhere approximately, but yes, because i understand which of my colleagues will submit, these are all people who are determined that the law only to improve, if there is spam, it can be, i predict that there will be, how much there will be, i do not know, 1000 amendments, 2000 amendments, nothing, the committee will sit down, our committee is absolutely in this sense patriotic, proukrainian, prostate, committee will sit down, it will work so much, that is, you predict exactly what can spam edits to delay acceptance, but they wont work. And at the committee level, at the committee level, i can say that we will do everything so that it is ready for consideration in the Verkhovna Rada by the end of this year, i still have one very important question, many experts, in particular from the religious environment, spoke about the fact that if, for example , the uocp is officially banned in ukraine, then this church can go underground, of course, the context of the underground can be different, but, for example, have you thought about the fact that the church can really go underground into the underground and what might her actions be then on the territory of ukraine . I thought about it very well, of course, because we had been scared of the Catacomb Church for a long time, but you know, then i remembered all those mercedes, other cars of the executive class, all these posh apartments that are pretending to be monasteries and so on, i thought, what catacombs, these people are in the catacombs, you dont have to make me laugh, so i treat these threats exactly as i treat them. Right away to blackmail because they apparently have 100 or more deputies there who will vote against of this law, just a minute, but i would like you to answer this question, isnt it drafted in such a way that the law, for example , banning the uocp or another religious organization can drag on for years in the courts, because first the commission has to submit, the court will consider possible appeals, are there any safeguards in this in the draft law, look, there are no safeguards, because if we do not want the European Court of human rights with its decision. To legalize any priests near moscow or religious organizations near moscow forever, maybe a little long way to go, but the procedure laid down in the law is absolutely transparent, clear and concise and short, so even taking into account possible court proceedings, i believe that key decisions can be made in a fairly short period of time. Thank you very much for enabling. For a detailed explanation, i would like to remind you that the guest of our broadcast was mykyta putturaev, peoples deputy of ukraine, chairman of the Verkhovna Rada committee on humanitarian and information policy, we talked about the draft law on banning in ukraine those religious organizations that can probably cooperate with russia. This is the Svoboda Ranok project, a project about important things, we will see you from monday, take care and dont forget to subscribe to the Radio Liberty youtube channel, see you soon. Congratulations, its 10 oclock and our news team is ready to share with you the most uptodate information about events in ukraine and the world, kateryna shirokpoyas is working with you. It was a restless night for the invaders in melitopol, several explosions were heard outside the city after midnight, the mayor said ivan fedorov of melitopol, most powerfully in the district airfield, where the occupiers set up their military base on the captured airfield, the residents also heard the rumble of machinery