Friends, we are returning to the air, and with us viktor shlinchak, chairman of the board of the institute of world politics, editorinchief of the glavkom publication, we are adding him to our air, mr. Viktor, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, mr. Viktor, we have already watched some videos here, how putin was walking in china, how he was walking in front of him. A little behind, he also came there not emptyhanded, so to speak, he took a black suitcase with him, why did he take it to brag or to scare the world, what kind of message was this, you know, chinas position on nonproliferation nuclear weapons, they are afraid that the nuclear race will start to Gain Momentum and according to them it is of no use now, so putin had a very pro. This kind of trick to show that he cant just get away with something lead and wave something there, sorry for such a pun, but really, it continues to be governed, governed by putin, continues to be governed by these, the political top, this blackmail, unfortunately, eh, the effect of this blackmail, unfortunately, is such, such a feeling , that the west still sometimes insists on him, at the same time, at this time, when putin was there, atks missiles were tested, and in fact, when earlier putin said that these were red lines, now, as you can see, the red lines have moved somewhat , so me it seems that sooner or later the west must come to the understanding that this constant blackmail cannot last forever. There are two such videos released today, both of which cause, well, i dont know, just indignation among ukrainians, i think, against the background of the fact that the world seems to be very concerned with the problems of the war in palestine, in israel, the first is a video of how the protesters. Broke into the congress, actually into the hall, and here we see this picture, the congress of the United States, and demand an end to the war and an end to the bombing of the civilians of the city of gaza, and the second is such a demarche that some representatives made the human rights committee, at the un, which during the speech. The american delegate demonstratively turned his back, and Michelle Tyler spoke, and they, that is, we see that there are many africans, obviously, representatives of various countries of latin america , and and and for sure, the islamic world, and thats all , i dont know, it causes very mixed feelings and different questions, why so. Of course this tragic situation with the hospital is important, but why was there no such reaction when more than 400 ukrainian hospitals and hospitals bombed or shelled , including maternity homes, for those incomplete there will soon be 2 years of war, why did they not cause such a reaction, why those people from countries where there is such a problem with human rights suddenly also feel solidarity with the palestinian people, who at least carries a certain answer. For the fact that hamas operates there, enjoys support, and i have not seen any condemnation of the atrocities, which are obvious, committed by hamas during this period of its occupation there. E several kibbutzim, and, that is, cities, in a word, these arise the question, how can you comment on what is happening in International Politics now , we live in rather difficult times, in a rather strange world, where the attackers sometimes have sympathy, and when those who are outright aggressors begin to enter soft terminal strips and they are accepted normally in civilized worlds and they can afford to blackmail further and in the end we see how it is now important for putin to come to china to show that he is accepted by other leaders, that he meets, including with representatives of. The union, i mean hungary, yes, they are strange, these representatives from our point of view of the european union, but they are representatives of the european union, as far as the situation in israel is concerned, well, it just exposes this nerve and exposes the general , a global story about the fact that, unfortunately, we have already come out of this state, when we understood how the world will develop, how the world can develop linearly, we are , on the contrary, entering a huge geopolitical crisis, and i have a feeling that this not the last crisis which unfortunately, the coming years and the next decades may await us, it would seem that australia is there. A continent that is very far away is now saying that in the event of certain military action, it will also be ready to go to war, which means that now no, no point on the globe is safe, and it certainly didnt start today and not yesterday, but it started, probably long before the collective event, excuse me, fell asleep, the beginning of rooting and the beginning of the development of this universal evil, because if in the 14th year, if even earlier with the attack on georgia, the collective measure had not flirted with the same russia, i think that the consequences would have been completely different, and actually now the measure continues not to bear this. Responsibility as, well, as a big policeman, he tries to react only for those cases that are already happening, of course, that russia and similar countries based on the model of behavior begin to work in such an algorithm that we will strike first, and then we will continue to look and observe the. Reactions, and in fact, that it must be stated that russia, with such an impudent step, in relation to ukraine, proved that others can do similar things, and therefore, from this i conclude that until russia is given a bite, there will simply be more countries that want to repeat its steps. Number, mr. Viktor, at the beginning of the week, right after the elections were held in poland, i recorded an interview with alexander kwasniewski, the polish president from 1995 to 2005, and he said that the world was already tired of the war in ukraine , by the way, this interview will be broadcast today on the tv channel espresso at 13 13 10 will also be repeated and it will also be possible to watch and read it or read it on the Youtube Channel of the tv channel. The text version on our website and actually about the war after the war in ukraine, that the world is gradually losing interest, and in connection with the fact that there are also all kinds of other events taking place in the world, this is ultimately the same as the participants of the via karpati forum said that the world is really losing interest and it is necessary to somehow feed this interest, and this should be done not only by politicians, but by all famous people people in ukraine or those people who know how to communicate. Do they have any respect in other countries, or in us, do you feel that we have some kind of plan for working with the world, because one thing, how we drove on , how the world was shocked by what is happening in ukraine. Kherson oblast, white noise, was shelled from zaporizhzhia, dnipro, a person died somewhere, someone died there, and it is becoming common. I think that we need to change some kind of communication strategy in general, and the office of the president should think about it, that is, on the one hand now, on the contrary, it is necessary to dispatch troops of peoples deputies who deal with foreign policy, experts, journalists, so that they constantly remind, are present in the information spaces of other countries, and that they remind that the war in ukraine is not over, despite the fact that that other problems are multiplying in the world, the war continues, accordingly, communication should not decrease , but increase, so the question here is very clear, but is the solution clear, because i see that i have seen that more and more often, including peoples deputies , who try to promote our agenda, they are faced with the problem of not going abroad, yes, of course, there are a lot of. Those who went to rest abroad during these one and a half years of war, but there were also many who went to work, so the main thing here is not to resort to such bare populism, and it is necessary to rethink how it can be done, how it can be used effectively, including peoples deputies as people. Who can convey one or another position, by the way, i spoke at an Economic Forum in poland in september and i was surprised that at this forum, where there were about 500 participants, as much as one peoples deputy came and no one else was there, that is, i understand that part of the deputies were simply not given the opportunity to leave, mr. Viktor, and here is another such question to you. Because, again, in the context of the fact that journalists, public figures, actors, i. E. , people for whom, writers, people by whom ukraine is recognized, peoples representatives should travel, i very accidentally came across an interesting video, there is a blogger who walks the streets and asks people how much it costs their bow, i. E. How much is the cost of their clothes, in which this blogger just happened to be on the street, and he caught on the street, well , caught, caught, came across el kravchuk , if you remember such a performer, and began to ask him how much it costs his clothes, he began to say there that it is not too expensive and so on, sneakers, this is some kind of replica , i bought them in spain, i went to spain and he calls this time a fullscale invasion, went to spain, and there we collected money for the zsu, i just dont know who el kravchuk is, here is this video, who is kravchuk for the spanish audience, not for the ukrainians who ended up in spain, although i dont know if he is someone for the ukrainians, he is some kind of downed pilot from the 90s, then he is someone else there was, but he went to spain to perform, not for spaniards, it is obvious that, but we need a union, we need to actually work with an audience not of ukrainian refugees abroad, but with foreigners, and he received permission for this, that is, he left. And we know a million stories, well , after all, peoples elected representatives who cannot to go, due to the fact that some went on vacation, now others are forbidden, the director of the film pamfir, drywitted sobchuk, and when really, for example, i even once took part in a polish radio broadcast, where listeners called the studio and actually asked about this they were interested in the film and about this director, but he couldnt get permission to go there to present his films, so we see that some. Some people go supposedly to communicate with the world, other people dont want to communicate with the world . Well, i do not know, what can be said here, because really a lot of decisions are made individually , and it is necessary to analyze each case, probably separately, i just started saying all this, because there really are a lot of international. Platforms on which we very poorly represented, this applies, by the way, not only to europe, it also applies to india and the same china and other countries, er, korea, for example, well, i mean south korea and er, the United States of america, that is must go now, because look as we speak for example, about our victory, we somehow imagine it for ourselves, ugh, and how ukraines victory is imagined in the United States of america, so far we have only heard this slogan, we will support you so much. How much is needed, how much is needed, and who needs it, eh, will the ukrainians have enough support there, the kind of support that the Congress Allocates there, i hope that this number will be announced today, on the help of ukraine, is it possible that everything should be done now possible in order to convince the United States of america that evil must be. Punished and it must be stopped and must be stopped by a cardinal plan, simply wiped out of the ukrainian territory completely. And actually these discussions, i was literally there, i was at a closed meeting with mrs. Markaroyuva, she said that there are very few such discussions about how the United States sees victory, and she invites, on the contrary, experts, various specialists, to go to the United States to raise this issue, but the question is who can do it, if there is no opportunity and such departures, actually, thank you, mr. Viktor, viktor shenchak was with us, and the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics, the editorinchief of the glavkomkom, thank you for this conversation , and now we will talk with kateryna trushik, a journalist who evacuated from israel, our colleague. Katya, we welcome you to our airwaves, yes, is kateryna available, please tell me she is, congratulations veteri, congratulations on yesterdays birthday, congratulations that you finally managed to evacuate from israel, i understand that the road to ukraine was not easy, thank you , good morning, i have never had such an epic birthday, so, in fact, we left with the evacuation flight, which was organized and helped to buy tickets for this flight, the embassy of ukraine in israel, at the airport, consuls saw us off , they actually offered those with children, they offered to stay in a hotel in bucharest, free of charge , they registered people with children to. To this, to the settlement, and in fact, when we arrived in bucharest, we were met by the ukrainian consuls there, and the organization that helped, the organization for refugees, i forgot the name and frankly, my head is still a little bit fuzzy after such a long journey, and in fact we were accommodated in a hotel , very, very good conditions, thats all, they offered to stay there for up to five days for free, but we already. Had bus tickets and we actually then o 16 we left by bus from bucharest to kyiv, it was probably the most difficult part of our journey, which is briefly described, but it is clear that a lot happened during that most difficult part. Katerina, actually what is happening in israel, because on the one hand you fled from the war and fled to. From the war that in ukraine, but here again i had to flee to ukraine from the war in israel, and as a ukrainian woman, as a journalist, do you feel that the attitude towards you, as a refugee from ukraine, is changing in other countries of the world, that there is less, less attention, less of an imitation of what is happening in ukraine , because there is another conflict in the middle east. Actually , going to israel was not my decision, that is, i did not dream of going to israel, i did not plan it, but for personal reasons circumstances, i had to go to israel, and because my eldest daughter studies there, and actually the children were supposed to be together, and i had to go to this particular country, i understood that the country is not easy, that the country has been in a state of war all the time during its existence, and you know , locals, they are so adapted to the fact that there are always some risks of war, that when the 7th of july began, it was a shock for everyone, but everyone said that it would end, well , in a couple of days, and the israeli army would clean everyone up and thats it , everything will return to normal, but you see, conflict and hostilities continue, and it is not yet clear when they will stop, because, yes, it is very dangerous, the danger is felt everywhere, even when we were already in the air, there were many people, quite a lot of people, not that there was a rush of people, as usually there are people at the airport, but people are so little, so they look where, if there is something to run , what to do, if there is still anxiety, well, that is, you feel tension, and when we arrived in bucharest, i would not say that to the ukrainian refugees have a different attitude, because this organization, which deals with helping refugees, they offered to stay in bucharest, they said that if you have nowhere to go , we will help you, we will organize everything, that is, in principle, they are ready to help me, and in general, the romanians, to be honest, impressed me with their attitude and their attitude towards us in general , so they are very, very friendly, because i traveled through poland to ukraine. I didnt return, we went home here several times, and well, in poland i had the impression that ukrainians are already very prejudiced, but i dont feel that way about romanians, and you say that there is no the feeling that all this will end in israel very soon, and what people in israel are saying among themselves, what are their feelings. What are they preparing for, people in israel are ready, well, probably ready for everything , these rooms, bomb shelters, which are in every house there, in every apartment, in a new quarter, a new building, in which there is already a darkened mother, are preparing, people are signing up products, that is, they fulfill all the instructions of your service. There is such a service in israel that is responsible for the readiness of the civilian population for hostilities, it is called the rear service, and people absolutely clearly fulfill all the obligations, all the instructions given by this rear service, you as residents, as residents of buchi, you had nothing to compare with, yes, yes, you know, many, many volunteers got involved, even some volunteers manage to push and israel and ukraine, in particular, in israel there is such an organization, friends of ukraine, together with them we collected aid for the Ukrainian Army, in particular, and i know that they are now simply on two fronts, they have time to help the ukrainians and their , that is, people rallied so much, and and they do, they do important things, they support the Ukrainian Army and the israeli army and they believe. The main thing is the armed forces. Thank you, katya, for telling about your wanderings, kateryna trushik, a journalist who left israel , to which she left because she was saving her child from the war, left the country, and we wish for at least some kind of peace, even though would be in ukraine, for kateryna and in principle for all of us, dear friends, we are getting closer to taking a little break, i hope the break will be for andriy and me, because the espresso broadcast continues, there will be more news, and then we will return to this studio and we will have our traditional column, only the thursday unwashed, it will be transferred to us from sunday, we will have mr. Mykhailo as a guest, so stay tuned with us, it will be interesting, the partner of the project healthy look glaufix. Glaufix protection and support. 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At the same time , they also attacked with shaheds, launching nine drones over ukraine the air force reported. Our defenders of the sky managed to shoot down three strikers. Drones and the kh59 missile