An independent country that borders nato allies and is on the border with russia. Imagine what would happen now if he succeeded, have you ever known a major war in europe that we didnt get involved in, we dont want that to happen, we want to make sure that these democracies survive and ukraine has a crucial meaning for this to happen. Mr. Roman, biden is talking about two, two wars that are going on right now. In ukraine and in israel, but biden does not say anything about the third or fourth point that may be on the map of the world to arise, for example, between north and south korea, or in taiwan, or in africa, do you think that the goal of this axis of evil is to destabilize the United States of america and western countries and create more hotspots for the west. Spent more of his weapons and lost his power, well, at least the power that biden is so proud of now, well , there are two components to your question, the question of power is not relevant, because the soviet union collapsed, nazi germany is in the past, well and many many things in the past that have overcome democracy has overcome human civilization, thats why i. I dont ask questions like that, i perfectly understand that the situation is only at the cost of how the forces of good will manage to overcome these idiots who are instigating another war, why is this happening, why will they arise various kinds of conflicts and in the future, wars, wars, conflicts, there are more or less large scale conflicts and yes. Further, the fact is that the level of contradictions has crossed the line, and in fact, the dying eyes of the underempire, these untouchables, the underdogs, as they consider themselves to be, they have only one left a chance to save himself, because fuhrer moskovskyi, having gone against. Ukraine, he signed a sentence for himself, and he saves himself by trying to expand the theater of military operations, not only geographically in different points, but also on a large scale, and that what has happened now in israel, it is obvious that this is a move by the fuhrer, the red dictator, the chinese and the iranian fundamentalists, in order to raise their status and continue their own life in politics, in the world order and so on, and they save themselves in this way, therefore, it is obvious that there will be all kinds of conflicts, the flames of war flare up, because these nonfuhrers, nondictators, they save themselves in this way, at the same time, i want to emphasize this, it is important that. Democratic states, that is, a democratic environment, a civilized environment, understand that it is better to suffocate this contagion , until this cancerous tumor spread around the world and became firmly systematized and much stronger in its influence, because it hurts me very much that people read a bad story, because well, we, those who are interested in this, understand its great that the First World War or the second world war, it started with the same ones, not to the emperors, not to the dofuhrers. Not well there, and so on, and so on , in the course of the war they grew to such, oily and huge empires of influence that later everyone scratched their heads, shed tears and blood, how to save themselves from this, then maybe in the Current Situation we need to act actively , i am very impressed by the position of the israeli government, one cannot allow the manifestation of savagery in adolescence, it must be killed in the bud, because later, later, humanity will suffer colossal sacrifices, but i now i look at how the situation is developing in the middle east, they are again trying to put this genie back in the bottle so that we can wait for another unexpected attack, i am not talking about the situation in china with taiwan and beyond, why are these games when it is clear that today, at the expense of the civilized world, the red dictatorship of russia is organizing its forces in order to later attack the civilized world, therefore, even the lessons of the nearest, relations and events from russias aggression against ukraine only confirm that no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will. Exactly will look into the forest, yes, a wolf is needed, evil exists in the world so that people understand what good is, but not so much evil, because when it spreads and occupies the whole space, then you dont know what to do with this evil, so it is obvious that now it is not only americas active actions that depends on how to overcome this evil, it is possible to overcome this evil only by being together , by joining forces, by creating a joint command, by creating the appropriate industrial economic base to provide, because when now in principle, it will twit all over the place of the world, ours is to send another batch of aid to ukraine through ramshtein and to work in israel exactly like that, well, it looks a little, well, forgive me, but in a schoolboy way. I will not say it in a childish way, but in a schoolboy way, but being faced with such colossal trials, for which, well, humanity has already paid with the lives of tens of millions of people more than once, hence the active actions, joint actions, which are required of humanity today, thanking god, there is washington, there is a conscious administration there today that understands all this, and it is very important that around this, around this position, humanity was uniting, i say again, you dont need to raise the price by slowing down and rolling slowly, solutions are needed, unification is needed, mr. Roman, you said that now in the middle east they want to put the genie back in the bottle, and somehow , lets put it this way, in this situation to do, it doesnt hurt hamas, it doesnt hurt hezbollah. As a result, it does not hurt iran to convince Binyamin Netanyahu that this is the whole ground operation that they are currently planning, so that they do not conduct it in the gaza sector, and it is obvious, it is obvious that in this situation, by restraining israel, the world, precisely and putting this genie in a bottle, thats right, i understood, yes, im actually talking about this, because it is obvious that moscow, tehran and beijing planned not just a terrorist operation, it is already clear from everything that israel is under attack, from the south hamas, from the north of hezbollah, from the side of syria, islamic jihadists, it is already being attacked by representatives of the taliban, ah, the houthis and so on, that is, the houthis in fact, it is clear from the organization of the preparation of this operation that they were actually involved before the attack against israel. All the Power Factors of that axis of evil, because what if we analyze now the information that has already been proven, financial resources, instructors, russian, chinese, material support, chinese, iranian, russian, and im not talking about the current consultations, look where the political elite have run off at the consultations of hamas, hesbo. Islamic jihad. Notice how abbas says in the morning that hamas has nothing to do with the palestinian authority, in the evening. And he denies these things, it means that these terrorist organizations are in complete control of the situation, it is very dangerous with such situation, and here the moscow underdog talks about the need to return to the implementation of the twostate principle, so hamas and hezbollah, they fought not only against israel, against this plan, they fought against the palestinian administration, they fought against the organization. Palestinians, because they did not recognize this plan, that is, from all points of view, it is clear how the information game is being conducted, and now, when israel has made absolutely adequate decisions, they are running around the world, looking for help with weapons, involvement in the war, and Financial Support and so on, because they understand very well that what they have done is precisely what the fuehrer of moscow is against ukraine and for this there will be no forgiveness. Mr. Roman, now there are only guesses, or rather, there are explanations that without iran and without russia, hamas definitely could not have carried out such an attack, because it is a rather large military operation, involving, including satellites and capabilities such as there is no hamas, well, it is objective, in your opinion, if it is proven, nevertheless, sooner or later, i hope that the involvement of russia and iran in the attack of hamas on israel will be proven, will the position of washington change in your opinion regarding russia, regarding what should be the end of the putin regime, because against the background of what is happening in ukraine, it is not clear what the final point should. Be in the russianukrainian war, which would satisfied washington, well, that is, ukraine defeated russia, and what to do with this regime, again, if in the case of israel it is proven that both russia and iran coordinated hamas, what will happen then . I watched this interview that the guardian published that you talked about earlier, where President Biden speaks that there is direct evidence of participation. And iran, russia, and china are not involved in this aggression, but, in this situation, i am not so interested in his answer, as a journalist who knows what it was and therefore asks the question, because this is the level of journalism when they simply do not ask question. It is obvious that bidens answer is tactical in nature, he leaves a chance for beijing, moscow, and tehran, and somehow find you practices, a variations in the development of the situation, i understand what biden is doing in this situation , you and i are in a completely different role, we have to tell people the truth, because both moscow, beijing and tehran are directly involved in the organization of this terrorist action. Relationship, yes, it supplied and continues to supply weapons components and weapons to russia, although they are silent about it, or are ashamed, or do not talk about it very often, just like iran, no matter how much president raisi or irans foreign minister says, what about iran for peace, for finding any way to reach an agreement diplomatically, all this is diplomacy, i give it credit, but i say again, in this situation we have to tell people the way it is, and now that can be a consequence, the fact is that there is a time when talking, when you can develop this position, and look for variations, but there is a time when it becomes clear that every minute of conversation and hour with a terrorist with the enemy, will increase the number of casualties, and what is already known today about the tragic consequences of russias aggression against ukraine, and about the tragic consequences the consequences of the aggression, and organized by the proxy forces of iran against israel, they demand a Quick Reaction, because it will be, as with a tzula, a Quick Reaction stopped when they were faltering, as a result of 10 years of war. And from my point of view, the situation today is very dangerous. If the history of the war in israel drags on, and such a course of events drags it on. This means that we will have to wait for the storming of taiwan next year. Well, next, Pay Attention to how the United States of america reacted to the aggression against ukraine, eight years later, how it reacted to the aggression against, israel, in a few hours, how will it have to react to aggression against taiwan, in a few seconds, the consequences of. This, well understood, is the deployment of largescale, global hostilities between the axis of evil and the unformed union of good. Thank you, mr. Roman, for the conversation, it was roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus. Friends, we are live on the channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please put like this video and also take part in our vote, as it is getting colder outside the window, we are asking you if the heating season has started in your city, yes no, please vote, we are interested to know, measure the temperature, so to speak to the whole of ukraine, is it warm in your homes . Next, we are in touch with Major General of the sbu, reserve former. Deputy head of the Security Service of ukraine, viktor yagun. Mr. General, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. Good health. Mr. General, the attack by hamas and the deployment of militants actions in the middle east puts an intermediate point in the formation of this axis of evil, which we already talked about with roman bezsmertny. Russia, belarus, iran, syria, hamas, hezbollah, beijing, north. Korea, so our war is part of, or shall we say, takes place against the background of the unfolding of a global war in the world, they say, experts say that the war in ukraine and israel are only intermediate points in the unfolding of a whole global war. General budanov says that there may be three, four, or even five such points in the world. As your way therefore, what is happening in israel, what will happen in various other points, will affect the russianukrainian war, and do we need, in connection with the outbreak of this global war in the world, to somehow look at our National Security and defense, well , we had to look differently at the expense of National Security and defense a long time ago, we always used some countries as an example. And for some reason they mentioned israel and once again make sure that one should not be enchanted by something, then no one will to be disappointed, you see, everyone, everyone put as an example, the availability of operational information, in the work of their intelligence, the correspondence of the capabilities of their army, but you need to understand the difference, the difference in the approaches of. Actions, for example, those that what is happening we have on the front, with what is happening in israel, in israel , well armed, but still with light infantry weapons and homemade rockets, in the vast majority of them, terrorists are fighting a highly professional army, which has hightech weapons, ranging from guns of the years. Modern planes and finally, we have already seen the work of laser installations, and against this background it is clear that the war there, on completely different parameters, they need one thing, we need another, and, but at the same time, it is clear similarity, similarity is a civilizational choice, we stand on one, on one side of this civilizational , civilizational choice, and this applies not only to us, israel, but also to the same taiwan, and to many other countries, including africa, where people are trying to get out of this circle, circle constant revolutions, poverty, and to direct their own development somewhere closer to civilization, but we see that russia and china and other such notso democratic societies do not prevent them from doing this, and therefore it is clear that all this is there are a lot of similar things, there are a lot of different ones, today, mr. General, during the meeting of the state Duma Committee on budget and taxes , the minister of finance of the Russian Federation, anton seluanov, said that all, practically all imported drones that russia currently owns , were an aggressor from china was sent to the country, although we know that earlier, china denied military assistance, well, including drones to the Russian Federation, moreover, china even imposed restrictions on the export of longrange civilian drones due to russias war in ukraine, well, we we know that beijing seems to take such a neutral position regarding the war in ukraine, if china, including through north korea, still. Helps the Russian Federation in this war, what, what does this mean for the world and what does this mean for us . Well, china frankly never admits its participation in certain events. Nevertheless, China Remains dependent on sales markets, and uh, the Economic Situation in china does not allow us to open the door and directly go somewhere for some kind of attacks, uh, despite a very, very great desire to take part in one or another confrontations, in particular, and we mentioned taiwan, i think that in the near future china will deny any involvement in these or that, the supply of weapons, whose or components of weapons to russia and it is another matter that even the support and support through the Third Quarter is, hands, yes, this is this is a huge help to the putin regime, help in circumventing the sanctions of the same iran, i dont think that 40 years under sanctions , and without the support of such a powerful partner. As china, iran would dare to do what it did, and the breakthrough, the production of drones and about in the preparation of, er, missile weapons, so china will remain a shadowy gray cardinal, which on regret will be very difficult to prosecute, well, you should i mean the shadows, of this axis of evil, that is, they, they will always be there , but it will be difficult to prove their involvement in this , although, well, thats right, because, for example, for example, the weapons that are confiscated from militants, they have various origins, but in this is primarily iranian, north korean, russian weaponry, including automatic weapons manufactured at the enterprise that was launched with the help of russia in the territory of the gas sector, but there is no way that it is openly chinese and, that is, there may be some separate elements somewhere , but so that there are deliveries, they are not, but i do not believe that the weapons that i have listed do not contain components manufactured by china, thats all, it is already known that on october 17, 18, putin is flying to beijing. And there will be a meeting with xi jinping and with the leader of china, of course, they will talk about cooperation, although formally, putin is flying to the one belt one Road International forum, on the eve of this visit to china, he gave an interview to China Central television and, among other things, there he spoke about , what russias negotiations with ukraine, lets listen to a fragment of this interview. As for how and what needs to be done in order to end this conflict by peaceful means, and we have never objected to this, moreover, we even agreed in istanbul at that time that we are ready for this, ensuring, i want to emphasize, the legitimate interests of russia. Security, and there the ukrainian side drew very strict frameworks for security, and we practically agreed with it, but what about our troops moved away from kyiv, the capital of ukraine, immediately the ukrainian side threw all these agreements into the oven and announced that they would seek russias defeat, victory on the battlefield, russias strategic defeat. Putin, of course, lies like a dog when he says that the Russian Troops simply withdrew from kyiv, they were simply smoked out of there, expelled, but the phrase or phrase he said in an interview. On chinas Central Television is worth it after all to quote once again that russia is ready for peace talks negotiations with russia and ukraine, while ensuring the legitimate interests of the Russian Federation in the field of security. Er, do you, mr. General, understand what it means to ensure the legitimate interests of the Russian Federation in the field of security, in the context of the ukrainian independent state . It. Lack of statehood as such, ukrainian, other, other guarantees they do not need, because they demand our territory, they demand that we be theirs, their vassals or controlled in terms of security, and that we stop any contacts, in particular, in the first first of all, not in particular, first of all, the military and Security Forces with nato and partners in the west. I dont know if anyone from the current or future leadership of ukraine will agree to such agreements, primarily it concerns the territory, well, the kremlin very often uses this formula or verbal form, that ukraine must recognize a new territorial reality, well, thats what they call it. That part of the regions of ukraine will now be russian, but. Putin constantly refers to these istanbul agreements, that ukraine apparently wanted to be there a neutral state, or a nonaligned state, and they mention the declaration on state sovereignty, which was still approved by the Verkhovna Rada even before the collapse of the soviet union in 1990, and they say that it is written there that the nonaligned status of ukraine is clearly established, but they do not they say that there was a nonaligned status, including from those blocs that will be after the collapse of the soviet union, although it was obvious that in this situation, the package that the kremlin presents as necessary for peace negotiations is necessary in principle is unacceptable for ukraine, it means only one thing that this war should end only with the defeat of the Russian Federation, right. I dont understand, thats right, theres no other way out, i, i understand that we have patience, we waited for 400 years to meet the enemy directly on the front line, because we are always somehow either in the composition of someone, or against someone, or without support, and here we frankly know who our enemy is and we frankly understand what danger is before us and we must. carry on what we started to the very the end, we simply cannot stop, this is just one of those options, you know, when , what to negotiate with the enemy who wants our destruction, as i once said in slightly different words, so the situation in that regard is very similar to israels, israel understands, that he cannot stop, because if he stops, he will cease to exist, and he will simply be destroyed, and where the jews will go, i dont know how kivo says in ukraine. This is such a matter, and here the situation is that we also do not have another ukraine, we only have this one, and we must protect it for us, for our children, for our grandchildren. Against the background of the war against ukraine, against the background of these statements, putins, there was a message, or rather, a statement by the secretary of the National Security and defense council, oleksiy danilov, that the federal Security Service is trying to form a new Agent Network to shake up internal ukrainian destabilization, i quote danilova in the future, we are talking about the deployment of a political project focused on the remnants of the prorussian population, in parallel with this, informational intervention with an attempt to shake the process of intraukrainian destabilization, signs of such activity by her