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We are seeing now. What, lets give advice this is a new level, so its not just about integration, but also about where ukraine can be helpful, and be part of the Common Security architecture, so i think that the more we are for ourselves during this time, while we are fighting, unfortunately we are losing our brothers, sisters and friends, but we understand how we are building the basis of the new security structure, that is what we can explain to our partners at the board meeting, that is very important. We heard from our partners that ukraine must necessarily be a member of nato, or we further heard that the door is open, everyone has the right to be a member of nato, yulia, i think that now everyone understands what i will say, that everything rests on the position of washington, on the position of the american partners, the United States, we understand, took a certain pause, because this is a politically sensitive issue, and the washington summit, unfortunately, is more. Signals that it will not be quite so breakthrough, but i think that the partners are focused on the big players, so the more we work in a bilateral format with our partners, both in the United States, in washington, and in those capitals that sufficiently powerful in europe, which represent the alliance nato, the better it will be and the easier it will be, so the explanation is really where we are in this format, it will set up our partners, you understand, i think that you and i will agree here that if ukraine wins, then the alliance will be another look, and the invitation can be fast, prompt and have completely different conditions for us than we have now, so i think that we need to grit our teeth, do our work, but at the same time do our, lets say, done in terms of our own compatibility and in our other areas where we have things in common agreements, i completely agree with you on this, mr. Gennadiy, the last question for you, at nato headquarters at meetings , i heard many times from our partners that ukraine now needs to continue to implement reforms and, in particular, to fight corruption, Prime Minister the minister, mr. Shmygal , said that we are doing well with this, it seems that he even said about it twice, that we are fighting corruption, do they believe this in the alliance . Well, you see, the situation is that on the one hand, our track, even the european one , shows that we have done enough. A lot designers, which are linked by certain strategic visions of the fight against corruption, the fight against corruption, these are anticorruption measures, then i would say that there are other efforts from other partners, which unfortunately will put additional obstacles in our way, so we heard and saw the former president of the european commission, junker wrote that ukraine is simply all in the grip of corruption and other attempts by other countries, other politicians, so the work here will be difficult, and dependent. Not only from our track, what we did, but from how we we communicate with our partners, but we understand that money, rough money , goes to weapons to support ukraine and therefore the countries, members of the alliance, they are just worried about how it is spent, maybe it is, you know, anxiety, it is useless, but they need it to explain that the anxiety is really useless, so we need to increase our efforts not only from the steps themselves, but also from the communication of this situation with partners, so that there is really more information about the efforts than information about how corrupt we are. Thank you very much, mr. Gennady, for participating in the program, it was hennadiy maksak, executive director of the ukrainian prism Foreign Policy council, talked about the meeting of defense ministers of nato member countries, which took place last week on wednesday and thursday in brussels, the capital of belgium. On the first day, they talked a lot about ukraine, about support, as we can see, now the conversation with mr. Gennady about the fact that this support is there, and this support will be, even in spite of the fact that here in israel, a conflict has begun, which diverts attention from ukraine. Yes, before moving on to the next topic and the introduction of the next guest, ill take a look on youtube. You can watch us and 1046 people are watching on youtube, please participate more actively, because the topics are important, the topics are interesting , the guests are interesting, the topics are important, and therefore it will be very useful and informative for you, please put your preferences if you like the program like it, dont like it, dont like it, because im sure youll like the program , but if you like it, dont like it. 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Against hamas, the Paramilitary Group hamas , a terrorist group, shelled israeli cities , killed many now, according to new data, about 1,400 dead israelis simply entered the territory of israel and simply killed Israeli Residents about this and other related with that i would like to speak with yevhen sova an israeli politician journalist, member of the knesset of israel, he should join us now, minute by minute, second by second, i really hope so, and to talk about it, the only thing with i want to tell you something new about the fact that this morning there was information that the United States of america, israel and egypt, egypt, which again supports the arab world, agreed on a ceasefire in butsim. United states of america, by the way, secretary of state of the United States of america, Anthony Blinken was in israel last week, meeting with the Prime Minister of that country, Benjamin Netanyahu, he then went to saudi arabia, last night, actually, even this morning, today he met with the crown prince, of saudi arabia, and again, according to information, he has to return. To go to israel for the second time today in order to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the second time, as well as the leading politicians of this country, so, as you can see, there is a lot of everything is happening there, by the way, the president of the United States of america, joe biden, may come to israel on the 18th or 19th. 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Yesterday, how serious can this all be, even with these statements that were made this morning that anyway, israel, the United States of america and egypt have agreed to some sort of ceasefire, but yesterday there was a statement from the secretary general of the united nations, antonio guterres, who said quote the world is on the edge of the abyss in the middle east, how serious can it all be . Well, first of all, im already a 4. 5yearold journalist. Literally just a few hours after the atrocious attack by hamas, and there is no need for any additional, any additional information, this is a war that we want to bring to an end, and i am very happy in my party, the leader of my party, mr. Luberman, said that the goal this war must be the unequivocal destruction of hamas as an organization that threatens. The state of israel, hamas is not only the gaza sector, it is also in the west on behalf of samaria, the hamasites are in southern lebanon , with the support of hezbollah, including actively trying to provoke us to open a second front, and like any war that is being waged, we do not disclose there what we will do tomorrow, the day after tomorrow or the day after 2 of the day, but those questions are related to some humanitarian issues or a temporary ceasefire, although this is also not true, because the head of the press service of the defense army. Of israel, Brigadier General daniel agary just said that there is no humanitarian end to the persecution, that is there are requests that we receive, in particular, for example, there was a request to resume Water Supplies to the southern part of the gas sector, and here you just need to understand, your fellow tv viewers, to tell them that israel should not be involved in the gas situation at all, that is israel withdrew from gas in 2005, but nevertheless electricity supplies continued, Water Supplies continued, and now our task is to completely. Cut , you know, this umbilical cord, as they say here in israel, from the gas sector, so that not only hamas it was not in the gas, but even so we were not responsible for the situation in gas, let egypt take over this function, there is a lot of speculation on the topic , we have agreed, it is as if you are negotiating there now, there are no agreements, but negotiations are always conducted, because we understand that fate kidnapped 200 citizens who are there, only Israeli Citizens, i emphasize, that is, 199 israeli families received information this morning, well, not all 199, but today there was a statement that 199 families of israelis received notification that their loved ones are in in the hands of hamas, that is, not where it still passes. Tel on the base of the ravinat army, precisely in the gas sector, so it is also taken into account, for our part, we believe that there should not be any humanitarian corridors, pressure on hamas should be the maximum, if hamas holds back our citizens, then why should we now make some humanitarian concessions, so i cannot tell you about any agreements, i can only tell you my position, the position of our party leader in particular my party which we will announce, but you said about the negotiations, the negotiations are still underway, so no. No, do not negotiate with hamas, i am saying that if there is any dialogue with our partners, it is clear that it is being conducted, the dialogue is being conducted with the usa, the dialogue is being conducted with egypt, we have a peace treaty with egypt, we, israel and egypt coordinate their actions, we always, always, when something happens in the gas sector, egypt is the first to act as such an intermediary, still trying, well, at least to understand the situation, because egypt has the same border with gas, like ours, well, ill give you, yuri, look, ill give you an example, between gaza and egypt there is a rafiya checkpoint. Ok these are checkpoints that are located on the border, for example, for a long time hamas did not want to open checkpoints from its side so that, for example, foreign citizens who are in the territory of the sector could enter the territory of egypt. For our part, we are ready, for example, to bring foreign citizens to the territory of israel. But what did hamas do . Not only that in the early days of the war, when it started, when hamas started war, he first of all attacked from the staff. Of israeli employees who worked at these checkpoints, there were several of them that are now closed, there eres in the north, kerem shalom, a little south, eh, these people, these people, our citizens, our dead citizens, were engaged in what they they let through humanitarian cargo that arrived at the port of ashdod, ashdod is a southern israeli city , located some 2025 kilometers north of the gaza strip, you see, for hamas there are no civilians there, hamas uses them now as a human shield, hamas, for example, forbids the residents of gaza to move south, because there are, for example, unra schools in the southern part of gaza, unra is an agency for palestinian refugees, no one shoots at these schools, they receive there are some medicines, water, food, that is, the israeli army said everyone who remains today in the city of gaza, and the responsibility for their life, for their future, is borne by hamas, because in that case, when at that moment, when the ground operation begins, there is no one there будеt смоtреtь, and why did you stay in the gas sector, you were given enough. In order to leave, hamas is preventing this migration to the south, there the hamas militants are actually covering themselves with their own people, like a human shield, now you know, the discussion is very broad, some say, here we are in israel, where they say, yes, they voted for, they supported hamas because there were no elections as such, hamas took control of the gas sector 16 years ago without elections, but the majority of the population will support hamas anyway, why should we then to divide the population of gaza between hamas, well, first of all, because we are not animals with this , because we are a legal state, we understand that peaceful citizens should not die as a result of what hamas is doing, so we are trying to maneuver, eh , i will tell you a secret, it is very difficult to navigate after we have not yet buried all 1,400 killed Israeli Citizens , it is very difficult, and in Israeli Society it is completely different, today they look at the civilians of gaza in a different way, many in general they believe that there are peaceful residents of gaza no, if you support hamas and you supported it there for 16 years and actually recognized its power, what kind of peaceful citizens are you, but nevertheless, as i have already said, israel takes into account all these issues with our american partners, with egypt, with any other country that wants to be an intermediary, it is possible to give us some information about the kidnapped citizens of israel, who are now in the sector. Mr. Evgen, could you please tell me, there was also information yesterday that israel, im sorry, iran threatened that in the event if israel starts a ground operation in the gas sector. So iran can interfere in all this, how serious can it be, what can iran present now, is it dangerous . Well, first of all, iran is not the first time threatening the state of israel, lets start with this, and its request to intervene or interfere is really of no interest to us, because this is the only state today that is a member of the un and that openly speaks about its goal will destroy, as they say, the zionist education, they dont even mention the word israel, so one of the we are coming with iran, yes, we have a confrontation with iran, we are at war with iran on the territory of syria, and by the way, a lot has been said about this in recent days, because iran supports both hamas and islamic jihad, this is generally a proxy group in the gas sector, and of course the shiite group hezbollah, which is recognized as a terrorist in many countries of the world, therefore iran understands the situation that on the one hand they somehow support hamas, threatens the second front, but on the other hand, here we must pay tribute to our american partners, who they said that if hamas and if hezbollah and iran try to intervene, then of course, america will not be on the sidelines and will not watch, here we are waging a war on two fronts, although israel is capable of waging a war on two fronts, that is, i am here now im not using slogans, im talking about the facts. Yes, that is, israel is an independent state with a strong army , with strong all, er, irans statement should not be considered seriously, in the context of our actions in gaza, moreover, my assessment is that if we just bring the operation in gaza to total destruction hamas, then this will be a good lesson for iran, first of all, because the next in line will be hizbullah, eh, there were various reports that the iranian head of midas had made a trip to the middle east here, eh, there is nothing to comment on the statement. Countries, which considers israel as the first target for destruction, therefore , unfortunately, we had excellent relations with iran until 1979, iran was a strategic ally of israel until the ayatollahs came, until the Islamic Revolution came, which they are spreading now all over the world, in the middle east, other countries are also suffering from this, here is azerbaijan, for example, a state that is located like a sandwich, you know, between russia and iran, they ask this country all the time. Spread their own the islamic ideas of the Islamic Revolution, i was in azerbaijan a month and a half ago, and i heard from my colleagues in the Azerbaijani Parliament how they are dissatisfied with the influence that iran is trying to spread, all these ideas are radical islam and so on. Thats why iran is the most dangerous state, which destabilizes the situation in the middle east, which supports terrorist organizations , which supplies them with weapons, and we are waging a war with iran on the territory of syria, and if necessary, i think that iran will feel our full force, so it is better, well and the last question for you, mr. Yevhen, look, i cant help but ask it, this is a question about russia, for example, in the United States of america they say that they do not see russia interfering in the course of this war, but it would be interesting to hear from you, an israeli politician, about what, and what they say in israel itself, thats why i ask, because earlier, for example, it was mutual between putin and the Prime Minister. Minister of israel Benjamin Netanyahu were pretty pretty good, i would say so, but when this war started, putin somehow distanced himself from it, moreover, on the contrary, he blames israel for the fact that israel started it and, on the contrary, somehow takes it so indirectly, it becomes on the side of hamas, thats what they say in israel, is there such an influence of russia, yuri, when you talk about intervened, that is, intervention. So here it is necessary to divide many people who are dissatisfied, and i am also dissatisfied with the reaction of the Russian Ministry of defense to the events, because it places on the same scale, a brutal attack by terrorists with the murder of peaceful citizens, children, women, old people, this is just a needle, here in russia the Islamic State is forbidden the organization , if it is today in russia, journalists must emphasize every time when they talk about needles, they say, a group banned in russia, look, let the russian one. Diplomacy will look at how in the kibbutzes near the gas sector, where our military purges later entered and conducted sweeps, they found flags of the Islamic State, because some fighters of the Islamic State were in the gas sector, and i know that many in russia came to the middle east to fight and it is not excluded that many of them who were there, i do not have specific information, i am only saying what we know, and i know that many years ago we had cases when even in israel the Security Service , israel shabak. Delayed russianspeaking citizens of israel who converted to islam and very actively promoted the idea of ​​an Islamic State, if isis is a group banned in russia, and hamas behaved worse than isis and even worse than the nazis, then why do you put the scales on the same scale and make such, you know, duplicitous such statements, therefore, the assessment of the israelis as a whole, regarding midas statement or , i dont know, individual stories, on russian tv channels. It is definitely negative, but it is not necessary to mix it with concrete accusations, including about possible interference, because this is already a serious accusation, and you know, not only the military, but politicians always minimize extra risks, especially when we are talking about a country that is still considered a state that still has influence in the world, so here, no one wants to throw accusations like that, so we heard that someone, somewhere, with all the respect you have for the ukrainian media, you know, i give a lot of interviews to the media, somewhere in the ukrainian media leaked information, here we will take it now and accuse you, lets be careful we will treat such statements, especially when these statements are made by an official person, such as i am as a member of the knesset , but if it is proven, believe the special services there are enough ways to find proof, if god forbid, i emphasize this, god forbid it will be proven what the connection that you are describing, believe me, the israeli authorities, the israeli leadership have a clear plan on how to convey this and with what message to convey it to the russian leadership, because these are red lines that no one crosses. But this is all speculation, so why now build an answer to that speculation , which. We ourselves at this stage do not have clear evidence and may not even be, so leave meads attitude, it has always been, but it has never been so proisrael , even from the time of the soviet union, and then from the time of russia , here is what concerns the active meddling of the usa , now we see how the americans are helping us , well, this is the relationship between washington and moscow, it is no longer ours, not ours уровен, let them understand there themselves, our task now is to protect our citizens, and to bring the operation to an end, to show the whole world that israel is an independent state that protects its citizens and is able to protect the future of our citizens, wherever it may be, in the north, in the south, or in the very , or i dont know there, in judea, samaria, or on the border with the gaza strip. Mr. Yevhen, i wish you, your country to complete everything you started, i wish you victory, it was yevhen sova, a politician, a member of the israeli knesset. Yes, before presenting. New guest and a new topic, let me look at facebook, we have 1146 people watching on facebook , it has been added, thank you to everyone who watches us not only on facebook, but also on the air, at least where we have not been turned off by the current government from the air , please put your likes, write your comments, its very important for us, we need to hear what you think, but its also important to promote both the youtube channel. And on the network, in the complex youtube algorithm. The more likes, the more comments, the more people will have the opportunity to watch us. Well, now there is another topic, important, i would say, very important topic for ukrainians, it is the parliamentary elections in poland, which took place the day before. Why is it important . And because lately its just mutual. Ukraine and poland somehow cooled down a little, if, for example, at the beginning of the war, and in the end even a year after the start of the war, we saw such, friendly, very friendly relations, but lately because of the ukrainian grain, because of certain statements, these relations have cooled down a little, what will happen after the election, i want to talk about this with my next guest, dariusz materniak, polish expert on international issues, head of the polandukraine center. Mr. Dariush, i congratulate you. Good day, good day, congratulations. Thank you very much for joining the program. Please tell me, yesterday we saw the results of the exit poll immediately after the election, and according to these results, the law and justice party, the ruling law and justice party, the party, the opposition, the opposition party, donald tusk, won, not by much, but lost. But i read that if she comes to an agreement with other parties that also lost in this election, but if donald tusky comes to an agreement with these parties, then it may turn out that the winners, i. E. Law and justice, may not get a majority in parliament , as far as this is a real option, well, i must say, in fact, that it is a very real option at the moment, because even. Of their parties, whether it was yesterday or during the election campaign, or even this morning, then here between them at this moment , if their statements are to be believed there is an agreement on what should happen the formed coalition, which all points to this, will have a majority in the polish diet, mr. Dariusz, and lets consider two options , i wanted to talk now about the relations between poland and ukraine, in the event that the opposition wins, eh, how can relations between poland change with ukraine, this is the first, and to the second, and in the event that law and justice remain in power, will they change their attitude towards ukraine, which is now quite cold . I think that we really have enough here, i would say