Elections in poland are still being counted, but these elections have already been called historic, the most important for poland after the fall of communism. Why . First, the extremely high turnout 73. 5 . Secondly, the ruling party law and justice did not receive a mandate for a third term. According to preliminary forecasts, peace, although gaining the most votes, will lose its majority in the parliament. The three opposition parties all together received much more votes. So they can form the government. The polish sejm is the lower house of the parliament and it can look like this blue marking the place of law and justice. Decent blacks of the farright confederation. Others are opposition forces. Yellow color Civil Coalition, red left. Green is the third way. There are 460 seats in the diet. For most it is necessary. 231 seats, and the opposition gains such a number, unlike the leader peace, but this is still data from exit polls and the preliminary results of vote counting, the final results are not yet available, but there was no festive mood in the election headquarters of law and justice after the vote, supporters chanted that we will win, i. E. Will win in the future, while the party, although it won the most votes, is not enough for a majority in parliament, listen to what the leader of the party said the question before us is whether this success can be translated into another term of our power, for the moment we we dont know that yet, but we have to hope and also know that regardless of whether we are in power or we are in opposition, we will implement this project in different ways, and we will not allow poland to be betrayed. That is, kaczynski said it out loud peace in power or in the opposition . A completely different mood was at the headquarters of the Civil Coalition, where the leader of this force, donald tusk, was not happy. This result speaks for itself. No one will dispute this, no one will take this away from us. We won democracy, we won freedom. We conquered our beloved poland again. This is one of the most beautiful days in history. Of polish democracy , i have no doubts that this day will go down in the history of poland as a bright day, as a day that opens a new era, the revival of our commonwealth, and tuski also said, this is the end a bad time for poland, that is, it is the end of the rule of law and justice. This was the first reaction to the data of the exit polls, which give the majority of votes to the three opposition forces, and the vlada peace party, although in first place, is not gaining enough. To form a government, meaning there will be big changes in poland, as the bbcs warsaw correspondent Sarah Rainsford says. In my opinion, everything points to the fact that the country is currently experiencing a significant change of course. Throughout the Election Campaign, both parties called this vote historical it was about the future direction of polands movement. Voters faced a rather difficult choice to vote for the law and justice party, which has been in existence for eight years. In power and whose policy is based on security policy, including high social spending, as well as in the fight against illegal migration. At the time, the Opposition Party insisted that the government was a threat to democracy, and that it had damaged relations with the European Union and huge problems with the rule of law, as well as problems with independent media, womens rights and lgbt rights. It is worth noting that the president of poland, who is currently in the vatican , during his speech did not say anything about the formation of the government, instead he called the current elections a giant success of polish democracy. He mentioned the huge voter turnout, almost 70. 3 , which is a record for poland in the postcommunist period. And such a number shows how important the current elections are for poles. A lot of people came to the polling stations, the turnout of young voters was also quite high, because they felt that their future depended on this vote. And bbc correspondents, diana kuryshko, svyatoslav komenko are in touch with us. You both followed the entire Election Campaign in poland, congratulations, the first question for you. There were different forecasts, but such Election Results are unexpected and unexpected for the opposition too, let me put it this way, the opposition dreamed that they would have so many votes, that is, the opposition, which will very likely soon become the government, as you rightly said, these are three political forces, civil platform, Civil Coalition, left and the third way, and it was expected that they would get exactly as many votes in total as their potential partners from the confederation, and literally every vote would be decisive there. But they concluded that the Civil Coalition gained approximately as many votes as sociologists predicted, the left gained, well, maybe a little less, but in general it was also plus or minus death, but the key to the oppositions current success was the result of this third way, it is such a new political force, literally a few days before during the elections, sociologists and political scientists discussed, and hell enough, whether this force will even be able to cross the eight percent pass barrier, at the exit we see 1314 , er, there were fears that they. Simply would not get there, they reached to the fact that the candidate from the Civil Coalition went around their constituencies and said you dont want to vote for us, vote for the third way, and thanks to this, thanks to some such new Election Campaign, some effects of novelty, her opposition took a total of much more than the right and justice together with his potential partners from the confederation, and judging from everything in some lake in the future will be able to form a government, and here is this extremely high turnout, as we have seen, so diana, you, with us, i hope you are in warsaw, and there the voters voted most actively , what was the mood there on election day, tell me, congratulations, warsaw voted in long queues, people sometimes waited for the right to vote, to cast their vote for several hours. In principle, this situation was not only in warsaw, but in large cities such as krakow, wroclaw, lotz. And these were young people, because according to the cec, more than 70 of young people aged 18, 1829 took part in these elections, this is a very, very large number of young people, as for poland, and in these long queues, in large in polish cities, people stood, sometimes even until 12 oclock, in wroclaw voting ended at 3, but people stood for 56 hours with blankets, with pizza, with coffee, with tea, with thermoses and waited for their right to vote. Such a mobilization resource, the opposition, the Civil Coalition managed to consolidate, after all the protests, that took place in poland during the last years of the pis rule, young people came out to have their say, because these young people voted mainly for the opposition. Also, as noted. Polish observers the elections in poland were held by women, probably for the first time in the history of poland, and among the voters there were more women 75 than men, there were 73 men, this is also due to the recent decisions of peace, in particular the ban on abortion. Polish women were in these queues, were in the polling stations, and they also cast their votes mostly for the opposition, so the elections were very, very largescale, why were such queues due to the record turnout, due to the fact that some precincts were not organizationally ready to receive such a large number of people, thats why it was all so largescale, all day polish television showed these huge queues, they flew over them with drones, they communicated with people , who stood and talked, yes , for six hours, i am standing in line, but i will vote, this is how the elections in poland were held, and the important question is what these elections, their results and future political changes in poland will mean for ukraine , thats glory. To speak about tusks conditional government, what will it be like . Look, it is very characteristic that in their statements, which were made during the first day after the end of the voting, not a single party , neither among those who won, nor among those who lost, mentioned a word about ukraine, this is because, fortunately, unfortunately, ukraine did not belong to the main topics of this Election Campaign in poland, and accordingly, we should not expect any significant changes in the attitude of the polish. Government of poland towards ukraine, so we can only ignore how they can relations between ukraine and poland will develop under the new government, poland will continue to be under. authorities, if the opposition we are talking about comes to power, relations between poland and the European Union will be improved, which means that poland will rather not act independently, in line with some such general policy of the European Union, accordingly, its attitude towards ukraine , and relations with ukraine, and support of ukraine, it will become somehow more systematic, more predictable. Less dependent on some political moments or on the personal relations between, say, the president s of two countries or some state actors, these relations will calm down, they will become more mature, and actually, as in relations between people, if both parties work on these relations, then everything they will be fine, well, eurosceptics, and in principle in brussels they can be happy with such Election Results, if they correspond to the exit polls, because we now. See, but you are talking about the fact that during the Election Campaign they did not talk about ukraine , but they did partially talk about the war, they talked about russia against ukraine, and about ukrainian refugees in poland, diana, like the opposition parties, what they promised about supporting ukrainian refugees in poland, as slava said, on this election night, polish politicians, they spoke mainly about poland and ukraine , he does not mention the word at all, but literally. Before the elections, donald tusk, the leader of the Civil Coalition, he made a statement about ukraine, he said, well, that is, that is, he made statements about ukraine before, but specifically about ukrainian refugees, he said just before the actual elections, despite his support for ukraine and all the statements that we should support ukraine in this war, he said that with refugees and with these benefits for refugees , its time to do something, he noted that there is nothing antiukrainian about it. But it is necessary to annoy poles less, because the benefits and rights of people who are not citizens should not be the same as those of polish citizens, which is what we are talking about, and ukrainian refugees are here in poland, of whom we know, now more than 1 million, have the following three main types of benefits, this is the right to medical care in state institutions, this is the right to education of children, children go to kindergartens, schools, it is free, and payments for children 500 plus. This is what the citizens of poland receive here, but actually these benefits, these payments, may be discussed, maybe they will be canceled, and the vast majority of ukrainians who remained here in poland after the beginning of the invasion are working, that is, these benefits are not the same amount 500 zlotys of money, for which you can live here, but it is there a substantial addition to the family budget, that is, if the Civil Coalition does go for it and these benefits are canceled, of course many ukrainians will be disappointed, but we do not yet know whether the opposition will come to this decision, yes, well, we do not know yet the final results of these elections, but, if we talk about what is known now, congratulations, an important indicator of the mood in poland was how much the farright confederation will gain, and this is precisely the party that was most critical of ukraine, so they promised to cut all programs for ukrainian refugees in poland, they have barely overcome this passage barrier, that is, such a small relative support, is this good news for ukraine . Well, judging by the previous results, they get about 7 there with a barrier for them of five, it would be much worse if they got 5,000, but at the same time they entered the government, now they are not entering the government, this is of course great news for ukraine, for ukrainians, it seems to me that their result is not explained by the fact that their antiukrainian slogans are supported there by 7 or 5 of poles, and the fact that in the second half of the campaign, sometime in september, these antiukrainian slogans of theirs adopted politics, from the ruling party, from law and justice. To take away part of their electorate. And actually there is a part of polish experts who believe that such a high result of law and justice is explained precisely by the fact that those voters who were drawn away from the confederation in this way voted for it, and that is why it seems to me that when analyzing these elections, the results these elections, we should not dance from some numbers, but understand that war fatigue is accumulating not only in ukraine, but also in poland, and those parties that support antiukrainian slogans have their support. In poland and ukraine it is necessary to deal with it, ukrainians ukraine needs to work with the public , including those who are skeptical about it in poland. Thank you, thank you bbc correspondents diana koryshko, svyatoslav komenko, we talked about the elections in poland. This is the end of our release, see you soon. Pain can become a barrier, walking stairs, not with my knees. For pain in the knees, try it dolgit cream. 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We are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. We tell the main thing. On weekdays at 9 00. How are relations with russia, which has warned israel against a ground operation in gaza. Answers to these and other questions will come soon from the knesset deputy. Well, lets immediately move on to the events at the front, avdiyivka remains one of the hot areas of the front, this is not the only thing we will talk about today with our guest, expert of the studio oleksandr mosienko, head of the center for military Legal Research, oleksandr, good evening. Congratulations you, good evening, and let me note right away that the russian army intensified its attacks in avdiivka last week, inflicting massive strikes on the city. At the same time, the head of the avdiyiv city militarycivilian administration, vitaliy barabash, said on the air of the telethon that the number of enemy attacks has decreased significantly, and the number of rocket attacks, according to him, has decreased by more than half per day. Is it true, we have the opportunity to ask my colleague evgenia kitaeva, she works in the vdiiv district, we are in touch by phone, zhenya, i congratulate you, i hope you hear me, please tell me what the general situation is like , what the fighters are saying, and actually, can you confirm the words of the city. Administration regarding the fact that the assaults of the russian army in avdiivka have declined. The local authorities generally say that the russian army is exhaling and even deflating, is that so . Congratulations. In part, in part, i agree, however, there is always a warning in the Ukrainian Military about what is really being said today and yesterday, well count two days, the intensity of assaults on the part of the Russian Troops, decreased, but the assaults did not stop completely, and ukrainian servicemen say that they managed to stop and withstand the first stage of these assaults. Er, i understand that the Ukrainian Military is preparing for the possibility of a second attempt, a third, perhaps, er, that is , the artillery fire has indeed reduced its intensity a little, but not completely, because today, working during the day, on the right flanks of the avdiiv direction, we heard active work, such artillery battles, artillery duels from both sides actively there is a counterbattery fight from the russian side and from the ukrainian side, so we also saw how the Russian Aviation works today, so i cannot say that it has become completely quiet in the direction, but the military also confirms that the intensity still decreased, compared to by the way it was last week, i understood, zhenya, but what do they say in general, you say that they are wary of this kind of comfort, what are their thoughts, why is this happening . It just seems to me that they have already understood this nature of hostilities on the russian side army and they understand that the Russian Military will not stop so easily after trying once, they did not succeed and they turned around and left or stopped in defense. They are convinced that the Russian Troops will try again, however, as far as they have enough resources , today the ukrainian artillerymen told me that in principle they do not have any artillery hunger, or projectile hunger, how to say it correctly, that their artillery , aviation works, longrange artillery, and they destroy with airstrikes, aerial bombs. Precisely the city of avdiyivka, their aviation also works on the flanks, that is, the fighting does not stop, infantry clashes also take place from what the servicemen told me today, its just that the intensity has decreased a little, maybe the Ukrainian Military managed to, well, stop them at some point, but the soldiers remain wary, because for some reason they are convinced. That it was just one of the stages and that the Russian Troops will not stop just like that, ugh, we heard, zhenya, thank you very much for joining our broadcast, take care herself, yevhenniya kitaeva, a Radio Liberty correspondent from the avdiv region, was in direct contact with us. But Russian Troops are continuing their offensive to try to encircle avdiivka, but are likely to slow down the pace of operations in the area, and for now they are unlikely to achieve a decisive breakthrough or encircle avdiivka. That they continue to be a threat to ukrainian troops in the area. This is what the analysts of the institute for the study of war write. At the same time , the New York Times emphasizes that the fierce fighting around avdiyivka is a sign that moscow is trying to regain the initiative after it spent months fending off ukraines counteroffensive in the south. Cnn, however, quotes analysts who consider the attack by Russian Troops to be an attempt to move forward and turn the tide of the war. At the same time, the institute for the study of war draws attention to the fact that russian president putin, commenting on the events in avdiivka the day before , called them an active defense, and not an offensive, as the russian socalled vainkors say. And such rhetoric may indicate an attempt to destroy, lower the expectations of significant others of russias successes experts of the institute assume and add that the russian Information Space in general is also restraining its initial optimism regarding the prospects of the russian army around avdiivka. Meanwhile, the armed forces of ukraine are preparing for new assaults by russian forces. Andriy sergan informed rfe rl about this. Platoon commander of the bpp of the 59th separate motorized Infantry Brigade named after yakov handyuk. We are preparing to give a decent fight back. In any case, they will move away from us like a wave from lana, and then this wave again us can cover therefore, we are preparing for the fact that there will be another assault, quite strong, quite powerful, so we are preparing people. Composition, equipment and Everything Else , in order to meet our enemy with dignity, from the same brigade, an officer of the 59th separate motorized Infantry Brigade named after yakov handziuk, serhii tsihotsky joins the broadcast, serhii, good evening. I congratulate you, good evening , glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, serhii, please tell us what the situation is now, we included our correspondent, but of course, i would like to hear from you what is now is happening, this is a certain decrease in the pace of the offensive, shelling from the Russian Troops, what do you associate them with . Well, they are recovering after those massive attacks that they earned, suffered great losses, they are recovering and on the battlefield now they are asking. Bodies, where they can get their dead, there may be someone wounded, but they are acting, well, they still conduct small assault groups, tonight there were attempts to get to our position, but they were all neutralized, so that means they are slowly coming, and probably we still hope that they are preparing to climb again, but we are always waiting for them and before the development of any events. The russian army is exhaling and even deflating, they say in the local militarycivilian administration, and you can formulate what is happening now with the russian army in this way the russian army is its foreign army, it is a gang of the russian federation, rather, the way they behave in relation to their own, and the way they behave towards locals, towards prisoners and so on, it is more rather, well, terrorists, if. Putin is a terrorist and his army is an army of terrorists, that means they are exhaling, they are not exhaling, but these strong assaults that they made , i think that they will continue to make them and we are ready for the development of such events, you hear me, yes, we hear you, please continue yes, this is the situation, so we hit wherever we see a crowd, we throw it here and there. We are pouring some singles to work, hey, serhiy, but they said that they were entering from the right and from the left flank, and the russian army has not yet given up its intention to surround avdiivka, are they continuing the assault, or are they holding positions on both sides, you will understand that apparently their putin is not informed about the real state of affairs, we know that he does not like to use the internet and so on , so. Apparently the task has not been canceled yet, they are thinking of what to say to him, they still have such intentions, because the efforts that they make in small groups have the same direction, that is, to get drunk, but all the positions for today are unchanged, behind us. Sergey, i also wanted to mention bild, they write that the russian army lost 60 tanks and armored personnel carriers during the offensive, can you to confirm, well, or in general, whether he really loses. The occupiers have a lot of equipment and what makes this possible . I will say that they lost even more , they are losing, because this and this was in the first, in the first days of this such a largescale, largescale attack on their part, that is, in the first days, they massively found tanks, bmps, armored personnel carriers and so on, but, you see, everything that was not in our field of vision, everything was neutralized, heard, sergius, thank you. That you found an opportunity to join our broadcast. Serhii tsekhodskyi, officer of the 59th separate motorized Infantry Brigade named after yakov handyuka was in direct contact with us. Well, well continue to talk about these events in the studio. Oleksandr musienko, i remind you, the head of the center of military and Legal Research is our guest today. Mr. Oleksandr, well, actually, this is a temporary lull, after all, it is about resources, or rather about tactical ideas, as you think, and other things, the point is, you understand that avdiivka, the situation that exists there, is now very often asked in the Information Space, i see why avdiivka, why avdiivka, i will explain, because these are not the first attempts, once, secondly, as a result of the fact that the enemy had certain successes, as a result of the previous assault actions that took place, well, in fact, from the moment of the fullscale invasion, they gained a certain position, but we, when we talk about the flanks, about the southern one, where they are, and from there it is clear, they think , lets try, lets succeed this time, and lets, i want to remind you, the previous attempts of an assault from the encirclement, active, the intensification of hostilities, was massed in august, in the middle of august, it was reported then, on march 23, the commander operationalstrategic