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The following shots may shock you. Live news from the scene. Drone attacks. Political analysis objectively and meaningfully, there is no political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. Freedom life frankly and impartially. You draw your own conclusions. I welcome you to espresso one war different theaters of war. This assessment is in the context of ours war with the Russian Federation, sounded against the background of the events that are currently unfolding around israel. But it is quite likely that this is far from the last escalation and not the last war that will shake other countries of the world. Such a conclusion has already been made by a number of international analytical structures, and to them, by the way, statements and the report of the head of the Main Department have been added. Of the ministry of defense of ukraine kyryla budanov, who stated that now we see several conflicts that at first glance seem regional, but they are all connected between by himself and by the same countries that are involved in these processes, so according to his objective, or rather subjective assessments, we are approaching a global war rather quickly. What do such conclusions or forecasts regarding a global or world war mean primarily for ukraine, what should be prepared for, what will change and what priorities should be determined by ukraine itself and its partners in these conditions. We will talk about this with our leading experts in the next issue of our military program. My name is serhiy sgurets director of the information and Consulting Company defense express, which, together with espresso channels, strives to cover the most relevant trends and events in security. And the military environment and now we are joined by anton mikhnenko, an expert in the field of security and defense technology, mr. Anton , glad to welcome, see and hear on the air, i congratulate you, mr. Sergey, glad to see, first of all i would like to ask you if you personally agree with the conclusions of the same kyril budanov, other experts, that we are already approaching the global or a world war, and then what points of tension may arise if, in addition to our war with russia, such other directions or sources of confrontation appear and where they may be . In principle, if you just paint the current picture, which we have now in the Current Situation, we have the war in ukraine, the escalation of the territory of israel, we have here we see the ambitions that china has today in relation to taiwan, what are the current relations between the united in the states and china and in general, we see the situation that is happening in africa, which the influx of refugees now from the side of africa, directly on the territory of europe, that is, in general, we see such a general picture that can give the impression that the world is really approaching a global war, lets say so, but nevertheless i would be more optimistic, the aggravation in in one or another region of the world always happened, there was an escalation in israel, and the war also happened in israel it was not the first time, it happened in other regions of the world, but i would not dramatize and draw such concrete conclusions from what will happen global war. Nevertheless, the signs that the aggravation of such a general security situation in the world definitely exist , there are definitely risks, and there are risks that could lead to such serious, lets say, including global war, but lets hope that this will not happen, and the tolerance and consideration of politicians, the militarypolitical leadership of both the United States and china will be enough. And other countries so that such a global war does not occur, lets say this, well, i see, i see that you adhere to more optimistic approaches, than a number of our experts, but in any case, do moscows ears perk up in certain zones of tension, when we mention the situation in crimea there, remember, they captured crimea, then in the 15th year they start enemies, start fighting actions in syria, they start a war in syria, which distracts the attention of the world. Community there, then this flow of refugees to europe is formed, which also, well, forces europeans to look at their internal problems, unexpectedly, which arose in their own field, and then the question arises whether do you see any, do you now see any such unmasking signs that indicate that in fact russia is involved in the situation there and around israel and in other regions of the world , some such markers that, frankly, cannot be ignored. Then of course, the ears are sticking out, the ears are sticking out, i think that they are sticking out in moscow and if they just once again carefully paid attention to the situation in israel. Then of course, Pay Attention to who benefits from it, who benefits from the aggravation of this situation, what is the reaction of the Russian Federation at the moment, regarding the events in israel, has the attention of the World Community shifted from ukraine, from ukraine to israel, if we simply find the answer to these questions, then we can see, yes , indeed, now the World Community is focusing all its attention specifically on israel, the World Community has pushed the issue a little of ukraine, their media in reuters, bbc, cnn, are constantly portraying the Current Situation in the gas sector, the reaction of the Russian Federation, we see that they are, in principle, undermining, to a greater extent, officially declaring that lets let the parties found a common language, israel and the palestinians, so that this confrontation does not happen, but unofficially, we see how russian propagandists portray the situation in israel, how they portray israel itself in a negative way, and therefore we understand that in fact moscows ears are pricked in this context, they diverted attention, they, in addition to diverting attention, they are trying, at the expense of these events that are happening in israel, to spread their own narratives, its key narrative in the media space, to allegedly sell weapons to ukraine on the territory of israel, and in this way, to influence the position of the World Community so that our partners look more carefully at ukraine in the context of providing weapons, maybe even limit it. The provision of weapons, and this is again the steps of the Russian Federation aimed at driving a wedge in the relations between our western partners and ukraine, the possibility of ukraine receiving weapons and military equipment from its partners, and all this just shows that the ears are listening and well, they are well received in the Russian Federation, in relation to how they are are used by drivers in israel, by the way, no, not only these examples are related to the fact that they began to transfer weapons that were seized in ukraine in order to create these media comps to complicate the supply of already european or american weapons in budanovs interview there were two more interesting fragments, he talked about the fact that this satellite Radio Station had just started working on the territory of lebanon, in arabic with such russian narratives, and that, the second thing that really interested me there, was that on the 24th there, in september , the Russian Space probe is carried out there radio reconnaissance, interception of satellites, satellite signals, was also moved to another orbit. So that the zone of israel falls into the zone of operation of this russian satellite. That is, in fact, we can say that they knew, prepared and provided assistance not to israel at all, but to those countries that started, well, these actions with an attack by hamas on israel, but, but i would like to ask whether we can expect risks now for European Countries, because literally there was cheese yesterday. Yesterday there was information that the gas pipeline had just been broken Cable Networks between, estonia and finland, that is, this is another example, which can also be said to have hardly happened without russian participation, your assessments of this case, and what threats to europe may exist now from the actions that russia can provoke in among nato countries. Its an interesting question, in fact, we just have to understand, and everyone , including partners, im sure they also understand this, the Russian Federation is used to acting asymmetrically, if they fail to act headon, fail to achieve their own goals at the expense of there are military capabilities, they cannot win on the battlefield, and we see that they cannot do this, they try to act asymmetrically using various leverage, gas blackmail, we know very well how they used, if only recently in the past, the creation certain foci around the world, the aggravation of relations, the relations, lets say, of the United States or European Partners with other countries, in africa, in asia and so on, that is, they are trying to kindle this fire of danger, to create this global war, for that the whole world is threatened, lets say, in such a global confrontation, and against the background of this confrontation, they are trying to find their own capabilities in order to achieve their own goals, this is a tactic, a strategy, you can call it whatever you like. These are the actions of the Russian Federation, which are traditional, and i see that the europeans understand this very well, we understand it very well, and for what, and the key question, what to prepare for in the future, of course, it is necessary for the europeans to monitor those opportunities and those, lets say, threads that still remain in europes relations with the Russian Federation, in europes relations with african countries, in europes relations with asian regions, because where there were. zones of interest, lets say, of European Countries in africa, we know the situation, in mali, by the way, a vivid example, there are dangerous moments that they will fan, try to fan these fire positions, fire points around the world and thus distract the attention of the europeans, who believed that these regions were like, lets say, either in partnership relations, or were ready to develop further so that they look at the europeans in a different way, that is, the main task of the Russian Federation now is to destabilize the world, they are oriented towards this, we should understand all this perfectly, i think that the europeans too they understand and see this, and these things that are happening on the border of finland, estonia, on the border of finland and the Russian Federation, they will continue to happen. To move, russia will try to provoke, take actions in order to divert attention, on at the global level, we can see how they are doing in ukraine in general, if we simply analyze the front line, how ukraine opposes the Russian Federation, we know that we are advancing in the south, russia at one time tries to attack in the kupinsky direction, thus acting asymmetrically, in the same way, it is trying to act in the south, also to distract our forces , i. E. , this is a typical way of acting for the Russian Federation in relations in general in the conduct of hostilities, and we have to get used to it, mr. Anton, as you said, the predicted and desired actions on the part of European Countries, then the question arises, what should be the strategy of the ukrainian side, because as we see, threats are growing, the possibility of scaling military conflicts is increasing, the focus of attention of our partners may be distracted, then the question arises, what are the priorities in these conditions should be formed by ukraine in relations with its partners, and it is possible to add to some measures of its own direction, which would not depend on the wishes or visions of our partners, well, by the way, you raised a very important point question and a very relevant question, because we cannot constantly live, lets say, on a needle from our partners in the context of arming military equipment, and the partners also understand very well that they have their own interests, their own opportunities, and they must also cover their own needs, and that is why in ukraine it is very important and very relevant for ukraine, this is the development of the defenseindustrial complex, separately, in general, the security and Defense Sector, if we simply talk about the defenseindustrial complex, then this is production and try as much as possible move in the direction that we should be minimally dependent on partners for key models of military equipment, okay, we get f16 there, but we should understand that we can do service, repair, equipment in ukraine, if we are talking about ammunition of various calibers, it is definitely relevant again. An important issue is the creation of the entire line of ammunition, which will be manufactured in ukraine, or in neighboring countries, or by creation, through the creation of separate enterprises or joint enterprises, or the creation of separate enterprises on territory of ukraine or beyond, we have to equip our capabilities to the maximum, and this is very urgent, you see how bright the situation with israel is, when all the experts started talking about the fact that the United States will divert attention to israel, they will not be able to provide both countries weapons and the United States had to make an official statement, to say that we are able to help both israel and ukraine, but nevertheless, the precedent itself is evidence that we should Pay Attention to this, we should prepare for the fact that in any what a moment it may happen in such a way that the United States will have its own needs, and we understand what they may arise and in which region of the world, and we should prepare for this yesterday, as they say, not not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, already yesterday, it is good that within ramsteim, which recently. Took place, just as the question was raised about strengthening the capacity of ukraine, and precisely under this question is hidden the aspect of strengthening the defense and industrial capacities, so that we can produce the lions share of the armed forces in Ukraine Military equipment to equip our defense forces. Mr. Anton, you have close contacts with various enterprises of our Defense Industry, you also have contacts with Foreign Companies that already work in our market or are trying to cooperate, what are the specific problems now and then, do these directions require such special attention from our authorities, of the ministry of defense, so that this shortterm or longterm efficiency was the most productive, which prevents us from working even more efficiently than we worked before this time . Look, in fact, we have a key moment, well two several key moments, lets say so, is the Defense Industry, we know very well that in ukraine it is still divided into private and state segments, if the private segment, it is basically trying to develop itself. Including developing their own capabilities both on their own and in partnership with other countries, there are a number of private companies in ukraine that already have contracts and memoranda on cooperation with partners abroad, this greatly strengthens capabilities of our defenseindustrial complex. The second point, the cooperation of the private sector, the Defense Sector in ukraine with Foreign Companies, again , the private sector is flexible enough and it is able, in particular, including. To adapt to the repair of the military equipment supplied to us by our partners, those themselves, lets say, radioelectronic intelligence equipment, radioelectronic warfare equipment, equipment, others. Military equipment, the same artillery pieces, salvo missile systems, that is repair of this equipment can also be a key part, which should be allocated to both the public and private sectors, of course, but the creation of conditions at the legislative level for these enterprises to work effectively is a very important point, because with the private sector it is easier for foreigners to find a common language, it is easier to develop if we talk about the state segment, we have been talking about the reform of the shipbuilding industry for many years , about its shareholding, yes, the process has begun, but again it is taking a long time, the state sector must be jointstock, there must be a jointstock company, we must allow the opportunity for our foreign partners to become, can buy a share of these jointstock companies of the state segment, in order for internal funds to appear, which could be invested in development, production and development the creation of new models of military equipment, that is, the process , to put it simply, the process. Uh, renewal of the state sector of the defenseindustrial complex, it is very relevant and still remains, and we have to bring it quickly enough, lets say at a time that satisfied our partners and was flexible enough for the state itself , because this potential is quite large, which is not yet fully used, regarding the creation of joint enterprises for the state segment, this is the same question many times it was discussed that our Stateowned Enterprises would have the opportunity to create joint ventures with Foreign Companies, again. Such a process of shareholding, here rests, one of such key points, it is again the creation corporations, joint stock companies, and it has to be moved from the point where it is happening now, it is happening but slowly, it needs to be accelerated, again, if we talk about regulatory regulation, it is definitely just the creation of joint ventures with foreign partners, creation of the most adaptive conditions for investments, protection of these investments, verification of control over these investments and that they are aimed directly at the creation of new models of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving, but again, it is desirable that the movements were much faster, i listened to you carefully, i had this question during the course of the question, we are talking about the mechanisms of the correct market economy, which our foreign partners are used to , and now we take our reality, hostilities, the need for armed forces and the feeling that it is possible, on the contrary, that a rigid system of management in the format of a military economy, which has not yet begun in our country, could be more productive, these two realities, are they really possible combine in ukraine, because one option is market, the other, lets say, rigid management, which is more effective, in your opinion, where should we put the main emphasis now . Difficult question, you know, but nevertheless, im more promarket , im more promarket, because the market dictates and the market without. Crazy, and now were at war, and definitely, look, the private sector, youre a prime example i will say that some private sector enterprises, which were engaged in one direction, are now engaged in a completely different direction in these conditions, and foreign partners primarily contact them, conditionally speaking, there is the m113 armored personnel carrier , which the partners handed over to us there, there is the private sector, which has already been destroyed to the point of repair, and already foreigners, the same americans agree that in this the private sector on. Opportunities to develop, these private companies will continue to repair these american machines, and what do we say about the state segment, the state segment is currently more focused on the repair and restoration of that military equipment, of the ministry of defense of soviet production, which was modernized during the time of ukraine, but what to say about foreign samples, what to say about those samples that are supplied to us by private companies, here is another point, and yes, you raised an important , urgent, urgent question about the need for strict vertical, but a rigid vertical in the conditions of war is needed in order for it to regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the game in the market and these rules of the game are observed by both the state and private segments, and a rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we make tanks under 50 tanks, everything is going forward, everyone is working, no one else cares, this is a completely different thing, it works differently in life, as they say, it seems to us that this is how the state knows that it needs 50 tanks, 100 bmp, 100 artillery systems, artillery. Systems, 300 antifire missile systems, here is a state defense order , okay, lets go, lets work, this, that, that enterprise will perform, and why, perhaps these enterprises, one enterprise will perform better , than another enterprise, the main thing for the state is to create the conditions for this market was regulated independently, the state should eventually adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment so that everyone in ukraine and abroad would understand that, okay, ukraine, even though it is fighting, in three years it wants to switch completely to tanks for years to come completely forever f16 , well, we will ride on m113s, who will repair what state defense order, but here the state must specifically and clearly say and control, so that it is observed and implemented for several years to come, not two or three years, much more years, because this is an important point by point from the point of view of control in conditions of war, that is, in fact, we have to talk about the fact that despite the conditions of war, we have to introduce Market Mechanisms that will be understandable to europeans, if, if we are talking about the fact that we have to purchase 1000 new bmp, then we have announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender, invite potential partners. And then, under normal market tender conditions, start creating our new component of our Defense Industry for the production of bmps, this is how it looks, if we dont do it, just look, were all we will come to this anyway, we will come to this anyway, we have identified ourselves with the western community, the western Community Works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, as we did not strive there very much, we argued, but early sooner or later we will be forced to borrow the mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play by these rules of the game, they are transparent enough, but we can not say, lets say there, an open tender, we can close, make this tender closed, but we just have to make up our minds, okay guys, we we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we act within the framework of these rules of the game, we will try to follow them, but remember, we have a war, we will be tougher, more specific and more demanding that it all be followed as from the side of the partners from our side, and this is one point, another point, again transparency is important for our partners, because the Russian Federation, using its narratives, will constantly talk about the fact that ukraine is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells and the more we will be transparent to our partners, the more, i emphasize to our partners, it is not necessary to be transparent to the Russian Federation, it is not necessary at all, i am talking about our partners, the more we will instill trust in our partners, now we are emotionally in theirs, in their minds, we still have to practically prove that we are in their minds. Mr. Antony, thank you very much for your expert comments, i hope that these approaches are related to the combination of Market Conditions and war conditions, after all, we will be balanced in the decisions of our government, i will remind our viewers that my interlocutor was anton mikhnenko, a military expert on security and technology issues. And further. We will continue our program after a short informational break and talk about what other conclusions we have to draw from the hostilities in israel, which are extremely useful for strengthening our defense and military potential, about that in a few minutes. The roof is a project about the feeling of home, about our roots, about identity, this child built, behind us, my greatgreatgrandmothers house, what the old ukrainian architecture for us today . Good architecture is not necessarily made with the participation of an architect. Churches, mills, houses, mazankas, it depends on us, will these buildings slowly fade into oblivion . 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