With the attack by hamas on israel, but, but i would like to ask. Can we now expect risks for european countries, because literally yesterday or the day before yesterday there was information that the gas pipeline and these Cable Networks between , estonia and finland, i. E. This is another example that could hardly have been done without russian participation, what are your assessments of this case and what threats might exist for europe now . Of the actions that russia can provoke among nato countries, an interesting question, in fact, we just have to understand, and everyone, including partners, i am convinced that they also understand this, the Russian Federation is used to acting asymmetrically, if they fail to act headon, they fail achieve their own goals at the expense of military capabilities there, they cannot on the battlefield to win, and we see that they cannot do it, they try to act asymmetrically using various financial opportunities. Gas blackmail, we know very well how they used it, if in the recent past, to create certain foci around the world, to aggravate the relations, lets say, of the United States or European Partners with other countries, in africa, in asia and so on, that is, they are trying to kindle this fire of danger, to create this global war so that the whole world is threatened with, shall we say, in such a global confrontation, and against the background of this confrontation, they are trying to find property. Capabilities in order to achieve their own goals, this is a tactic, strategy, you can call it whatever you want, but these are the actions of the Russian Federation, which are traditional, and i see that that the europeans understand this very well, we understand it very well, and for what, and the key question, what to prepare for in the future, it is certainly necessary for the europeans to monitor those opportunities and those, lets say, threads that still remain in europes relations with russia the federation in europes relations with african countries, in europes relations with asian regions, because where there were areas of interest, lets say, european countries, in africa, we know the situation, in mali, by the way, a vivid example, there are dangerous moments that they will think, they will try to inflate these fire positions, fire points around the world and thus distract the attention of the europeans, who believed that these regions were, so to speak, or in partnership relations, or were ready to further develop so that they were somehow different looked at the europeans, that is, the main task of the Russian Federation now is to destabilize the world, they are oriented towards this , we have to understand all this perfectly, and i think that the europeans also understand and see this, and these things that are happening on the border of finland estonia, on the border of finland of the Russian Federation, they will continue to move, russia will try to provoke, take actions in order to divert attention at the global level, we see how they generally do in ukraine, if you just analyze the line. What in the way that ukraine opposes the Russian Federation, we know that we are advancing in the south, russia at one time tried to attack in the kupinsky direction in this way to act asymmetrically, in the same way it tries to act in the south, also to divert our forces and means, that is, this is a characteristic of the Russian Federations way of acting in relations or in general in the conduct of hostilities, and we have to get used to it, mr. Anton, you said, predicted and desired actions on the part of european countries, then the question arises, which has to be. The strategy of the ukrainian parties, because , as we see, threats are growing, the possibility of scaling military conflicts is increasing, the focus of attention of our partners may be distracted, then the question arises, what priorities should ukraine form in relations with its partners in these conditions and maybe to join some measures of our own direction, which would not depend on what wishes or visions our partners have, well, by the way, you raised a very important question and a very relevant question, because constantly living, lets put it this way, we cant be constantly on the hook from our partners in the context of arming military equipment, and the partners also perfectly understand that they have their own interests, their own possibilities, and they also have to cover their own needs, and therefore in ukraine for ukraine is very important and very relevant, this is the development of the defenseindustrial complex , separately, in general, the security and Defense Sector , if we simply talk about the defenseindustrial complex, then this is production and try to move as much as possible in the direction that we we should be minimally dependent on partners for key models of armed military equipment, okay, we get the f16 there, but we have to understand that the repair service. We can do the equipment in ukraine, if we are talking about ammunition of different calibers, then of course, again still a relevant and important issue is the creation of an entire line of ammunition that will be manufactured in ukraine, or in neighboring countries, or by creation, through the creation of separate enterprises or joint enterprises, or the creation of separate enterprises on the territory ukraine or beyond, we have to equip our capabilities to the maximum, and this is very urgent, you see how bright the situation with israel is, when all the experts started talking about the fact that the United States will divert attention to israel, they will not be able to provide both countries with weapons and the United States officially had to make an official statement, says that we are able to help both israel and ukraine, but nevertheless, the precedent itself is evidence that we should Pay Attention to this, we should prepare for the fact that in any what a moment it may happen in such a way that the United States will have its own needs, and we understand what they may arise and in which region of the world, and we should prepare for this already, yesterday, as they say, no, no, not tomorrow, no the day after tomorrow, already yesterday, it is good that within the framework of ramstein , which was held recently, the question of strengthening ukraines capabilities was raised, and precisely under this question is hidden the aspect of strengthening defense and industrial capabilities, so that we can ukraine produces the lions share of Armed Forces Equipment to equip our defense forces. Mr. Anton, you have close contacts with various enterprises of our Defense Industry, you also have contacts with Foreign Companies that already work in our market or are trying to cooperate, which specific problems or areas require such special attention from our authorities, the ministry of defense , so that this shortterm or longterm efficiency was the most productive, what prevents us from working even more efficiently than we have been working so far . Look, actually we have the key point, well, two, several key points, lets say this, is the Defense Industry, we know very well that we have it in ukraine, it is still divided into private and state segments, if the private segment, in principle, it tries to develop independently, including , developing their own capabilities, both on their own and in partnership with other countries, there are a number of private companies in ukraine that already have contracts and memoranda on cooperation with partners abroad, this greatly strengthens the capabilities of our defenseindustrial complex. The second point is the cooperation of the private sector, er, the Defense Sector. In ukraine with Foreign Companies, again, the private sector is flexible enough, and it is able, in particular, to adapt to the repair of the military equipment that is supplied to us by our partners, the same ones, lets say, radioelectronic intelligence equipment, radioelectronic warfare equipment , equipment, other military equipment, the same artillery pieces, rocket systems of volley fire, i. E. Repair of this equipment, this can also be a key part, which should be allocated to the public and private sectors. Certainly, but creating the conditions at the legislative level for these enterprises to work effectively is a very important point, because with the private sector, it is easier for foreigners to find a common language, it is easier to develop, if we talk about the state segment, we have been talking about the reform of the domestic industry for many years , its shareholding, yes, a certain process has begun, but again it is taking a long time, the Public Sector must be jointstock, there must be a jointstock company, we must allow the opportunity for our foreign partners to become, can buy a share of these jointstock companies of the state segment, in order for internal funds to appear, which could be invested in development, production and in the development of the creation of new models of military equipment, i. E. The process , to put it simply, the process of its renewal of the state sector of the defenseindustrial complex, it is very relevant and still remains, and we must bring it quickly enough, lets say in that moment, satisfied our partners and was flexible enough for the state itself, because it is a sufficiently large potential that is not yet fully used, regarding the creation of joint enterprises for the state segment, the same issue was discussed many times so that our state enterprises would have the opportunity to create joint ventures with Foreign Companies, again the shareholding process rests here on one of these key points, it is again the creation of corporations, jointstock companies, and it should be moved from the point where it is happening now, it is happening, but slowly, it needs to be accelerated, again, if we talk about regulatory regulation, it is definitely, it is precisely the creation of joint ventures with foreign partners, the creation of the most adaptive. The conditions for making investments, protecting these investments, checking the control over these investments so that they are aimed directly at the creation of new models of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving, but again, it is desirable that the movements were much faster, but i listened to you carefully, i had this question during the campaign, we are talking about the mechanisms of the correct market economy, which our partners are used to and now we take our reality, combat actions, the need of the armed forces and the feeling that it is possible, on the contrary, a rigid system of management in the format of a military economy, which has not yet started in our country, could be more productive, these two realities, or are they really, they can be combined in ukraine, because one option market, lets say otherwise, rigid management, which is more effective, in your opinion, where should we now put the main emphasis, a difficult question. You know, but still, im more promarket, im more promarket, because the market dictates, and the market definitely, and right now were at war, and definitely, look, the private sector, ill give you a prime example, some private sector businesses , who were engaged in one direction, now in these conditions are engaged in a completely different direction and foreign partners primarily contact them, relatively speaking, there are m113 armored personnel carriers that were transferred to us by our partners there, there are private. The sector that has already adapted to repair, and already foreigners, the same americans, agree to provide opportunities for development in this private sector , these private companies will continue to carry out repairs of these american machines, and what do we say about the state segment, the state segment is currently more focused on the repair and restoration of that sovietmade military equipment, mine defense, which was modernized during the time of ukraine, but what to say about foreign samples, what to say about those samples that are supplied to us by private companies. Here is another point, and so you raised an important, relevant, topical question about the fact that a rigid vertical is needed, but a rigid vertical in war conditions is needed in order for it to regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the game in the market, and these rules of the game are observed, both by the state and and the private segment, and the rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we will make tanks for 50 tanks, everything is moving forward, everyone is working and no one else cares, this is a completely different thing, it works differently in life, as they say , it seems to us that this is how the state knows that it needs 50 tanks, 100 bmp, 100 artillery systems, artillery systems, 300 missile systems, salvo of fire, here is the state defense order, okay, lets go, we are working, this and that enterprise will perform, and why, perhaps one of these enterprises will perform better than another enterprise, the main thing for the state is to create the conditions for for this market to be regulated independently, the state must finally, adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment so that everyone in ukraine and for okay, in ukraine, even though it is fighting, in three years it wants to switch completely to leopard2 tanks, okay, we want, we want to switch completely in 5 years f16, well, we will drive m113s , who will repair what state defense order, from here the state must specifically and clearly say and control that it is followed and implemented for several years to come, not two or three years, much more years, because this is an important point from the point of view of controlling words in the conditions of war. That is, in fact, we should talk about the fact that despite the conditions of war, we should introduce Market Mechanisms that will be understood by europeans, if, if we are talking about the fact that we should buy 1000 new bmps, then we should announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender , invite potential partners and then, under normal market tender conditions , start creating our new component of our Defense Industry for the production of bmps, thats how it looks, if we dont do it, yes. Look, its just that were still up to it we will come, we will come to it anyway, we have identified ourselves with the western societies , the western Society Works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, as we did not strive there very much, we argued, but sooner or later we we will be forced to borrow the mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play by these rules of the game, they are transparent enough, and we can not say, lets say there, an open tender, we can close the closed tender, but we just have to decide okay guys, we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we act within the framework of these rules, we will try to adhere to them, but remember, we have a war, we will be tougher, more specific and more demanding that it all be followed both by partners, as well as from our side, and this is one moment, another moment, again transparency is important for our partners, because the Russian Federation, using its narratives, will constantly talk about the fact that it is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells , and what the more we will be transparent to our partners, the more, i emphasize to our partners, it is not necessary to be transparent to the Russian Federation , it is not necessary to be at all, i am talking about our partners, the more we will inspire confidence in our partners, now we emotionally we are in theirs, in their consciousness, we still have to practically prove that we are in their consciousness. 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We are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut, we are telling the main thing. On weekdays at 9 00. Continuing our war program, where we are trying to do. Findings against the backdrop of hostilities in israel, findings that may adjust our defenseindustrial or military priorities in the context of our war with the Russian Federation. And now oleksandr joins us. Los, doctor of Technical Sciences at tsarina aerosspace, developer unmanned fighter jet and a number of other aviation projects. Mr. Oleksandr, glad to see and hear, very dear sergiyuvych, very glad to see you, thank you for the invitation, glory to ukraine. Kudos to the heroes, even though you are in bed today, which is very unusual to see, after the unity with which we have repeatedly appeared on the air, i would like to ask you in the context of what is happening in israel. You are now actively analyzing combat operations in different countries, what equipment is used, what weapons are used and by the Russian Federation and other countries, and so i would like to hear from you what conclusions we should draw from the first stage of the military campaign that is currently taking place in israel, around israel, what is important that we should highlight from the approaches that the country uses in the fight against by your enemies, you know, your comment. I want to start with gratitude, here i see the signature below us, the war will be global, how ukraine should prepare for it, this is an introduction from the words of the comment of a very calm, professional, professional Lieutenant General, kyril budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that we see, our regional, socalled regional war, ukrainianrussian, or the events that are currently taking place in israel, and in the middle east, in general, whether otherwise, today everything, all of them are a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in the middle east in the early 90s. I always cite the crusaders for aviators, first of all, as an example, and for specialists of the socalled joint operations, it is that, one way or another, any serious breakthrough operation begins with an air strike, first of all, it is the means of air delivery of ammunition, then the missile troops are connected, and the ground component must move in the future, this is the logic that applies to ukraine , what are the conclusions from this, unfortunately, due to the insufficient quantity and even insufficient quality, all that today are aviation. Means of destruction that are available in ukraine, we are still waiting for american or some other samples, a serious fighter aviation, operationaltactical aviation, well, first of all, of course, it is about the fact that the most air force today is expected to be f16 aircraft, we have repeatedly talked about this, at the moment, well, if you ask me, as always a person who systematically approached, and this. We also said, literally a short comment, that we have built a policy in ukraine in such a way that we will initially receive a simpler aircraft from the technical point of view, although the v16 has its own characteristics, and then we will switch to heavy ones, yes thank you f15 and, but i want to emphasize always and for the specialists of my colleagues in the field of the military, i always emphasized the need for f15i aircraft, that is, multifunctional aircraft capable of air and ground operations, it is also the same aircraft, but the f16 is lighter. The amount of weapons that the f15i can carry is almost one and a half times that of the f16, including, as one of the f15 air force pilots noted, the f15 itself has a much greater combat radius than the f16, and including, and i am glad to hear that those. The thoughts that i was expressing regarding the concept that i was laying down our unmanned fighter jet1, thats exactly what it is first of all, its the air component of air and missile defense, that is, the aircraft is a platform for antiaircraft missile interceptors, ranging from simple barrage munitions like shaheds and sophisticated cruise missiles, or even sometimes you can think about intercepting ballistic missiles. So to sum up what ive said, aviation is a very necessary and almost essential component to support, to begin with even ground operations, operations, if we talk about ukraine until the liberation of our territories, why does our military and Political Leadership constantly emphasize the need to obtain aircraft, regardless of the year of the appearance of the platform, and aircraft that are equipped with stateoftheart weapons, intelligence and weapons systems, i. E. Target detection, targeting and delivery systems, combat unit. In various ways, be it antiaircraft missiles, or already so called winged bombs, or what they call smart bombs, or glide bombs and so on, because, unfortunately, despite the fact that the su27 aircraft is comparable as an aerodynamic object, as simply as a carrier aircraft with the f15 aircraft that we see on the screen, but the weapon systems that our aircraft are equipped with in in ukraine, su27, they are already two or three generations behind what is on combat duty of the United States of america and to the great regret of the Russian Federation. Mr. Oleksandr, i would like to take a step back and ask you the following question why did it happen that when we talk about airplanes, we tried them there there to supply to iran. When we talk about the longrange systems of the thunder complex there, for some reason. We found saudi arabia as a partner, as well as with aircraft for saudi arabia, and the question arises whether we have, why this happened, and secondly, do we now have the time, potential, opportunities to develop powerful projects with the right countries, and do you have the feeling that we are still moving in this direction, well, here we must recall the president s statement potomac foundation, philip karber, you remember, at the beginning. This year, who said that you ukrainians say that we, the United States, do not give you enough, but you yourself did nothing to have it all for yourself, as my greatgrandfather said, when the kombidovs came to him to uncork and said to the grandfather, you will give the sukira , he said this is my ax, where is your ax, such things continue in ukraine, unfortunately, they continued even before the beginning of this russianukrainian phase of the war, which has been going on for centuries, and to be honest, why did this happen, you know once upon a time, i was already asked such a question, and not only to me, but also to other former heads of the antonov state enterprise, after all , it was, well, i dont want to say military, it was a political, Political Choice of the then leadership of already independent ukraine, anyway at that time you still know how the Aircraft Carrier cannot be turned around. On the spot, how can you do this with a formula 1 car, it will still inertially move along its set course for a very long time and somewhere in 20 minutes, it will probably turn around, so it was with our country, the mental attitude that existed, and many specialists of the special services who are even still in the service, my peers, we, who are now 45, were taught in the early 90s that who is our main enemy, it still connects them. The states of america lived with such a mental attitude, and even some representatives who lead something somewhere there still live. Fortunately, already this military and political situation of ours, primarily a military one, has removed the masks from all the actors in this world, and fortunately i can already say that even i, i am proud of it, as for my area of ​​responsibility, tsdptonov, i managed, even putting my career on the line, to stop embezzlement, embezzlement and treacherous transfer of intellectual Property Assets to various countries that are not currently supporting ukraine, i expressed myself very delicately, sorry , i cant say anymore, even wearing it now, being on a civilian business trip. Then i will still ask about antonov, do you have a feeling that there are projects on the same antonov there or on in other branches of the ukrainian Defense Industry, which in cooperation with european, american, there german , french partners, are really starting to create models that really ensure the strengthening of our Defense Industrial potential and create new competencies there, which we have to acquire in partnership precisely with adequate our countries, it was nice to read the news recently that dppnov has finally joined one wellknown european militarytechnical association, that is, it is still moving in the right direction, which managed to ask, well, including me, for development, specifically, if we talk about dpptonov, well, we see that in other projects,