Yes, we understand this, we understand the russian trace that arises in the armenianazerbaijani conflict, in transnistria, the northern caucasus and so on and so on, well, ukraine without a doubt, and we pay a lot of attention to this russian trace, how much of a russian trace do you see there, because thats when you said from the sea, that s synchronicity and such organization the attacks show that someone was definitely behind it, because the palestinians have never been so cold, calm , organized in this way, it is clear that there was a common plan, they did not behave, but now they are behaving like this, i i think its either iran, or iran plus russia, thats what you say, whos the teacher, first of all, its certainly easier to see irans traces here and irans ears stick out, but its there. The second moment, not the moment of the attack, yesterday morning, when the shelling began, and for about 3 hours the shelling continued in the direction of israel from the gaza sector more than 3,000 rockets were fired, and the most surprising thing is that for the first 3 hours israel did not even suppress the enemys combat points, so it would be reasonable to assume that we at least should have responded, this did not happen, and there is one of the explanations that i believe , it is true that at that time there was not only a missile attack on israel, from the air, from the land, from the sea, but also a very massive cyberattack, which in one way or another neutralized a large, large part of our military technological capabilities, behind such a cyberattack vne it is not hamas who is in doubt, is iran behind it or other allies of iran, this is a very interesting question, i hope we will get an answer to it, this is quite the working version with which. Today people in power work, today various theories that were previously considered very conspiracy theories are being tested, that is, to what extent what is happening now in the middle east is a desire to divert attention from what is happening in ukraine. Earlier these theories were considered conspiracy theories, today i repeat, people in power take them quite seriously, no arent the legs growing from there, so what is happening, first of all. We are now in the middle of the developing events, we still have hostages in the south, dozens of hostages, several kibbutzim, which are controlled by hamas, so now all the actions israel is primarily aimed at trying to save the lives of as many civilians as possible, whom mikhail, excuse me, i have to interrupt you, because we have literally one and a half minutes, but we cannot, i cannot but ask, from the north of lebanon, today there is information that there are some shelling from hezbollah, another proiranian group, which is located in another place, everyone says that if it starts there, it will be a big, big war, not just some kind of skirmish and which we are already used to , yes gaza, yes hamas, yes there, but lebanon can also join here, syria can also join, someone else can join, what do you think about it . Predictions are an ungrateful thing, but i think that everything is going to a big war, i have no doubts that the northern front, too will be involved, and in the coming days israel will have to fight not only with hamas, but with hezbollah, the strings are being pulled there, of course , iran, irans closest ally today this is , by the way, russia, which with great honor receives hamas delegations, on average my every few months, israel stands on the threshold of very fateful historical events that will undoubtedly change the course of israel. History and neither more nor less, but in any case i am sure that we will come out of this as winners, but the price will be high, it is necessary to be ready, and i think that most israelis understand this. Thank you very much, mykhailo pelivert, an israeli political scientist, public figure, told us that israel is not doing well now, and ukraine has not been doing well for a long time, but israel and these are all connected vessels of some, you know, one organism called the planet earth, now in we will be Advertising Plus a plot, a plot about ukrainian men, different ways of life, the path of men, but everyone made approximately the same choice, and then there will be advertising, now the plot, after the war, what do you want to do first, after war, the most important thing is to come home, and there will already be work, there is a family. Go on vacation with the family. Ruslan is an infantryman, a grenade launcher gunner, before the fullscale invasion , he worked as a quarry foreman. Then he served in the engineering and sapper regiment, from where he transferred to the 31st mechanized brigade, took part in battles in the chernihiv region. Last year he fought near bakhmut, in the 23rd year in Donetsk Region he received a shrapnel wound in his arm and a contusion. In staromarsk, the enemy covered mines, after the wound he was treated for the second month. Naturally, there is a family, a wife, children, and i have a village your boys, you will not give up as long as you have health, you are ready, for now, as long as i have health , i will recover, and back to them to the boys, support and finish off these pigs to the pen so that they are no longer was, to expel them from our country, the husband has three schoolgirl daughters, so he often hears, why dont you resign . She is always my wife, you have three children, you can, well, free yourself here and there , especially since they are of legal age, no, not yet, as long as you are all this filth here, i understand that it is difficult for her, that she wants , so that i was at home, but i for i made a choice for myself, while i have many siblings like me, who have a family, four, five, six children each, they are all there, the hamlet will soon be under. previously, he was engaged in business in in the field of Building Materials and agricultural machinery, after the invasion he went to the assembly center, ended up in the 115th brigade of waste disposal. The man has health problems, so he is being treated and is waiting for an operation, after which he expects to return to the army, he has three children, three grandchildren who have not left ukraine, so, he says, there is someone to protect. I think each of us will where they go more cruelly. They need to be changed, because they have already worn out, to be honest, realistically , i think that this will come to every ukrainian, it will be their turn to be there, in the medical Rehabilitation Department of the korostyna district hospital, 37yearold ihor, a local man, is also recuperating through chest injury has problems with his hand, after treatment , the shooter will return to service. 2021 years, well , it was a oneyear contract, we were stationed in avdiivka, only there for, yes, nine months, i did not take part in the actual battles, i was a cook military, well, they stood at zero there, yes, i did everything myself, well, the guys there helped me, and i had 30 men, the assistant of the physical therapist helps the men regain their strength, mrs. Notes the positive dynamics of the treatment. 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Our guest will be the general staff of the allied forces. Former National Security advisor to the president of the united states, donald trump. Herbert mcmaster. Actual topics. Sharp questions, authoritative comments and forecasts in the information marathon project with vitaly portnikov, every sunday at 20 10 at espresso. Good health once again, my name is mykola veresin, we will be working until exactly 8 p. M. , and now we will have two guests, oksana melnechuk, a ukrainian political observer from paris and serhiy sumlenny, a german political scientist, that is, we are in we will climb europe, but we will start with mr. Serhiy, not because we are against the thesis of ladies first , but because mr. Serhiy has some other work to do, and he asked us to talk with him first, and then we will talk with oksana , milinchuk, who will tell us, not even so about paris and france, as for the gas sector, and i am told that she returned from it the day before yesterday or the day before yesterday, or the other day, thank you, ms. Oksana, thank you , mr. Sergey, we will just talk, first with mr. Sergey, sorry, ms. Oxanro, then we are with you, we will, we will make up for everything, mr. Serhiy, look, i am in good health, thank you to everyone who came , who joined us, we, you, in hesse and bavaria have elections and it is as if they are predicting that the alternative for germany gets somewhere up to, well, at least sociologists say, 14 of the vote, it is a lot or a little, in general, the successes of this, alternatives for germany, they, they really exist, we can see, or we shout so much, in fact, we do not understand anything here in lviv or in kyiv, you have the word, mr. Serhiy, good evening, thank you i am very sad that i will not be able to listen to the story about the gas sector, especially since they just left and i am just jealous of everyone. Viewers, regarding the alternative for germany, well, 13 now is not much for them, that is, it must be understood here that sympathy for the alternative for of germany, they are very unevenly distributed among the regions of germany, and lets say in the east in the former gdr, there they have there, and 30 and 35 can be taken, in certain districts, for example, in bavaria, in hessen, it is much less popular, well , it is it can be explained in different ways, and because there is such resentment in east germany that after reunification, it seems that life has become worse, in fact it is not so, but this is a dream lost to the ndrr, an insult to the west, and a plus there was no such thing in east germany, so how to say it, denazification after the second world war, as in west germany. In bavaria, plus the Christian Social Union party, it is also very conservative, and it is difficult for germany to compete with alternatives, this is also one of the points, but even 14 , as we can see, is enough to block the work of the parliament in a certain sense, because the Parliament Needs to form a parliamentary majority in order to form a government, if you have, lets say, five or six parties in the parliament, and one of them is 1418 of the alternative for of germany, you have much less room for maneuver , because you dont want to conclude a Coalition Agreement with someone else there , look, one more question, please forgive me for interrupting, but one question, just different experts in different ways they are looking at it, i dont remember who i talked to, but someone from germany told me that there is not such a big difference between the east and the west of germany. And you say that the axis and allies, well , all of them are western the germans, and the axis are east germans, such and such is such a phrase, such a phrase is in germany, then in your opinion, this remains a factor, yes , that is, the east germans, according to you, since the densification was different, such a soviet densification, not global as in the west of germany, then they are still for them, an alternative for germany. This is such an attractive party ideology, well, there is no difference in certain moments, in certain moments it is very strong, that is, if you look at the results of the last elections, you will see that in east germany, if i am not mistaken, only in three or four precincts, the first position was taken by the party, which means that some, no, no, not an alternative for the mute, im sorry, its not according to the election results, but its now according to social polls, that is, everywhere the alternative for germany in the east of the country is the first party, in the west, on the contrary, there are only two , two or three precincts in which, so the alternative for germany is the first, of course it is the second in many places in the west, but the first is almost nowhere. Thank you, yes, to mr. Serhii sumleny, a german political scientist, thank you very much, i ll be right back. I will say that it is simple for ukrainians i will say, no, dont hide it from me, mrs. Oksana, ill just say one phrase , which is very often said that when people are transformed, when in the heads of ukrainians, i m not talking about the russians, this soviet will be destroyed, look at the eastern and west germany, they have lived in one country for 30 years, and still west germany does not vote the same way as east germany, that is. This ideology is communist, which now reigns in russia and partially until recently , until the 22nd year, reigned and in the part of ukraine, despite everything, it is very lively, she is viable, thats how i would say, thank you, ms. Oksana, for finding time for us , and what did you do in the gas sector, and i have a question, you know, like a question, once in a book, when i was little, i read three. So there partos, when asked what are you fighting , i fight because i fight, and the gaza sector attacks israel, because it attacks, it wants war, because, because it wants war, explanations, at least yesterday , i did not see any such systematic explanation, there were some separate voices, there was alyaksu again someone doesnt respect someone there, we dont like jews, well, somehow you know that, no no. Its impossible to formulate an opinion, what you say, as a person who was there directly at that, in that gaza sector, you know, i there was a french delegation of such an international. Delegation of women, its called an International Forum of women who are trying to speak their voice about peace, and we were invited by two israeli organizations, or rather, one israeli, jewish organization, called women, will push this world, and another, purely a Palestinian Organization called women of the sun, we basically met with women, both palestinian and israeli, in order to understand their desire for peace, because it was such a call of mothers for peace, and there was a very large march, like both israeli and palestinian women, just along the wall that separates the gaza strip from the rest of the israeli territory, we were in a village right there, well, right there we were close to this wall and we met palestinian women there who asked us, transfer european women to everything to the world, that they are against hamas, that they want everyone to hear them, that they are tired of sending their children to war, and that they are asking us to be their voice, that they do not want to go to war with israel, we even met with former palestinian activists, who served their six years there in an israeli prison, and who have now completely switched to such a pacifist, well , pacifist policy, they offer israel in general the format of a swiss confederation, so that arabs, israelis, in respect for every religion, every language, coexisted in the same territory, because the problem is in israel, as far as i understand it, being, because we were in jerusalem, and in haifa, and in the far north and on the dead sea, near yihu. That is, we were both in the territories occupied by jordan and in the palestinian lands , which are not prohamas, because hamas is a strategist, this is a terrorist organization, which in fact arranges what it arranges, but besides hamas there are also ordinary palestinians , there are at least 2 million arabs who have israeli passports, that is, the situation is actually very difficult. But when i asked, and i said tell me illiterate, what is your problem . It was explained to me in this way, that the arabs do not recognize the right of the jews to this temple mountain, the arabs do not recognize the right of the jews to pray on this temple mountain, on which stood this huge temple, from which, from which all these campaigns of christ began, temples and something else, yes, that is, this is the ancient temple of the jews, what is called. Everything is holy and holy, and the jews do not recognize the rights of the arabs to the fact that there is this stone from which muhammad ascended to the sky, you understand, that is, people are fighting over a pebble, roughly speaking, in fact, this is a clash of two very powerful, great religions, worldviews, and you cannot give advice for that, because there is no question of respect for each other, there is a question. We have the right to this, you do not have the right to this, well, yes, i am for the audience, yes, mrs. Oksana, i just visited there several times, and indeed, but they are also close, this alyaksa is muslim, she is just just borders the socalled wailing wall, it is not that it borders, it is built on the city of the great the temple, and they stand like that, and what are you going to do, and the muslims say, no, this is our holy place, and the jews say, the jews say no, this is our holy place, but it is actually one and the same, the same land, and here and there is this religious contradiction, but the question is that, well, you know, religious contradiction, there are a lot of religious and wars and bloody and superbloody, but somehow they agreed, i just before coming on the air and when they told me that you will be, i will just go looked at sociology, really on the west bank of the jordan river. And sometimes in ghazi, that is, where the muslims who want to fight live are definitely not the majority, those who want to attack israel are definitely not the majority, and if, if you take all those who are for peace and those who are for war, then in principle the majority among muslims is for peace, can it not absolutely more, there is not 90 , but there are 50, 60, 70 , maybe there are percent, and then the question arises, how can they. Well, how can they achieve peace, when hamas is at the head and i am even this loud told that the women came and said we for us for peace, i dont know how they live, how they do returned home there in the gas, didnt they all get thrown in the gas station there, didnt they just beat them with stones, well, you know, unfortunately, we found out because we, we returned from israel to paris on friday night , and we started, late in the evening, we wanted to in the morning, well, that is, you wake up, you immediately want to thank everyone for that, for all these meetings, and then you understand that the war has started, and we are a lot of women. Have not found and we are worried that they are like that, we have only one data about one woman that she is like her stolen, but what about other women we dont know, thats why you know when youve seen living people, when youve seen their intentions, they usually wear their clothes, yes muslim clothes, they respect all their laws, but they they told us, we are tired all our lives, to give birth to children for war, we want to give birth to children for peace. And of course, they, for example , israelis, israeli ngos, organizations, are forbidden to communicate, to conduct any dialogues with hamas, yes, that is, hamas is some kind of such a carabasbarabas, no one cares to have access to it and to talk to them, the israelis say, it is impossible, these are really such, very radicalminded muslims, and of course, all of them, all the eyes and panpoliticians are israeli, they believe that hamas would have folded itself a long time ago, that is why that life is very difficult in gas, and gas, it absolutely depends on electricity, well, on electricity, on everyone, on water, everything they have, they have thanks to israel, the only thing they cant, they cant because of lviv airports go abroad, they use yemen to to travel abroad, but a lot of them even have israeli passports, you know . Thats why its really such a radical group, the israelis believe that they wouldnt have any right to life and Even Authority in their society if they werent fueled by iran, and to be honest, when i looked yesterday at how these rockets were flying, what statements they made, well, for some reason , moscows ears are so big behind all this, of course i saw, ms. Oksana, look, after all, that region, well, israel, but that region i spent part of my life under the protectorate of france, no, israel is under the patronage of great britain, great britain, and i understand, but there is lebanon, france, well, in short , france is not there, not secondary, england and france are there, they are actually one way or another, and the french, the french press, french intellectuals, who are definitely looking for a way out, they. Something is being found, some kind of recipe , how to end it, or at least put an end to this constant war of the 48th year of israel, more precisely, the war against israel, all the surrounding countries, well, there have already been five wars since the creation of israel, and israel in fact, back in the 20s of the 20th century , the british offered to make a jewish cell, yes, so to speak. When the league of nations gave this territory, then it was called palestine , and this palestine was given under the protectorate of great britain, then, by the way , churchill was in charge of all this, then they decided to the british that it was necessary to give the proper right of the jews to be in jerusalem, and therefore they offered to create this cell, and while the british were there, the arabs tolerated it, as soon as the british realized that it was very difficult for them to to hold the conflict even after. The second world war, they gave up this protectorate, they left there. So, as soon as the last british soldier left the territory of palestine, these clashes began, and there were these five wars between israel and the surrounding arab world, but of course, the intelligent israelis, having secured the support of the international community, they began to conclude treaties with the surrounding countries one by one the arab world, and they will build themselves. More or less like this, well, like this, you know, the union of arab states that no longer fought, yes, there is egypt gradually reconciled, there is jordan, there , despite the occupied territories, they somehow found some opportunities to coexist, and saudi arabia was about to sign an agreement with them, but there